Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook I actually wanted to use a gender neutral word, but I don't know enough Spanish... 00:01 dcook @later tell eythian That's awesome. I really need to book tickets and stuff for OSDC... 00:01 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 00:01 wizzyrea gente 00:01 dcook wizzyrea: gracias :D 00:01 wizzyrea súbditos 00:01 dcook That's funny as the French equivalent would be "gens" I guess 00:01 wizzyrea it's like "folk" 00:02 dcook Folk has to be one of my favourite words ever 00:02 wizzyrea gentes, probably 00:02 wizzyrea habitantes, also probably ok 00:02 dcook hehe 00:02 dcook I like that 00:02 wizzyrea which is like, population, people 00:02 dcook habitantes of #koha :D 00:02 wizzyrea we should ask tcohen ^.^ 00:02 dcook How does one use "of" in Spanish? 00:02 eythian dcook: me too 00:03 dcook de in French... di in Italian? 00:03 dcook da? 00:03 * dcook lives in an Italian suburb... he should really learn Italian.. 00:03 wizzyrea los maybe? 00:03 dcook Wouldn't that be a definite article? 00:03 wizzyrea yes. duh. 00:03 wizzyrea ah yea de 00:03 wizzyrea it's been ages since I thought about spanish 00:04 dcook los habitantes de #koha? 00:04 wizzyrea ^ 00:04 wizzyrea close as I can get you 00:04 wizzyrea :) 00:04 dcook I think about French all the time, especially when my family post photos of commercial packaging which contains both French and English labels :( 00:04 * dcook gets sad over this 00:04 dcook thanks, wizzyrea :D 00:04 * dcook isn't so keen on the unilingual packaging here 00:04 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVYvbd8PD-Q <-- dcook 00:04 dcook One reason why I love going to the "international" section at the grocery store 00:05 dcook Donde Esta La Pollo... is that like... Turkey is the chicken? 00:05 dcook Ahh "Where's" 00:05 dcook Dinde is French for turkey... I figured maybe.. 00:05 pianohacker hahahahahahaha 00:06 dcook eythian: Where do you find this stuff? :p 00:06 eythian it's a classic NZ band 00:06 * dcook puts Portishead back on 00:06 dcook Ahh 00:06 dcook [off] This is my favourite Canadian video these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKSjCli_ym4 00:08 eythian https://youtu.be/DuGGNsE3_8Y <-- dcook, I just assumed this was you 00:08 dcook eythian: It's actually surprisingly accurate 00:08 * dcook used to sail a boat on the Saskatchewan river 00:08 dcook True fact 00:08 eythian stealing wheat and barley and all the other grains? 00:09 dcook Nah, mostly we just ate meat and cheese and enjoyed the sun 00:09 dcook Except on the stormy days, but then it was mostly trying to not drown when you're nearly horizontal 00:09 dcook We already had our own wheat and barley back at the farm :p 00:10 dcook This song never gets old 00:10 eythian it doesn't 00:10 dcook Hehe. I don't know if I ever noticed the matey/metis line :p 00:12 dcook All right. While I'm distracted, I should see that latest political video... 00:12 dcook [off] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei50lM6ab1c 00:13 eythian at least your're not in Austral....oh wait 00:13 dcook Yeah... 00:14 dcook Technically, I could live and work in New Zealand :p 00:14 pianohacker phew, that was the most time I've spent working on rancor in ages 00:14 dcook pianohacker++ 00:14 pianohacker marc-- 00:14 dcook pianohacker: Juggling a few projects, I'm guessing? 00:14 dcook You're done your masters now, yeah? 00:14 pianohacker yes, finished in may and they'll give me the silly paper in december 00:15 dcook \o/ 00:15 pianohacker dcook: been working on a large variety of projects, but not much time on rancor (though that's soon to change) 00:15 pianohacker wnickc: just posted a followup you may be interested in on bug 11559 00:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Professional cataloger's interface 00:16 pianohacker dcook: there's a circ rules editor/backend revamp Kyle and I will be posting an RFC for soon :) 00:16 pianohacker dcook: what have you been up to? 00:17 dcook pianohacker: nice one! 00:17 dcook Oh man... 00:18 dcook Splitting my time between a non-Koha project, the OAI-PMH harvester, and then regular Koha stuff like support/setups/etc 00:18 dcook I don't know how I've actually managed to stay sane :p 00:18 pianohacker I know the feeling :) 00:18 pianohacker what's the non-Koha project? 00:21 dcook Nothing too exciting. A legacy app that I keep chugging along, but it eats up time. 00:21 pianohacker yeah... 00:22 dcook I'm kind of hoping that there will come a time after I'm done that project and the harvester where I can just focus on regular Koha stuff again 00:22 dcook Test patches, upstream patches, have slow days... haha 00:22 * dcook misses slow days 00:37 pianohacker all right, it's errands/dinner time 00:37 pianohacker bye all! 01:08 BobB flaky internet here today 01:09 dcook Interesting.. my wifi has been playing up but ethernet is all right 01:19 BobB opposite for us 01:20 dcook Just noticed this out of the corner of my eye when looking through our local bug tracker: 01:20 dcook "The sex of patrons..." 01:20 dcook For a second, I thought the librarians might be giving out too much information :p 01:21 dcook Actually that probably still works regardless of how you fill in that ellipsis.. 06:02 dcook eythian: Just had one of those lovely moments where you have an error for a package but it's so deeply buried that you have no hope in finding it.. 06:02 * dcook guesses he'll start looking through every reference he has to DateTime.. 06:04 dcook Well not really... just going to start inserting test strings until I find where it's dying.. 06:06 dcook Ahh 06:06 dcook Had written "time" instead of "$time" 06:21 * magnuse waves 06:28 magnuse community++ cait++ for a good gbsd! 06:32 reiveune hello 06:32 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:37 * dcook waves 06:49 * magnuse shouts ncip! ncip! ncip! 06:51 * Francesca waves 06:58 alex_a bonjour 06:58 wahanui what's up, alex_a 06:59 irma I hear shouting all the way from the far north ...magnuse, is that you? What is so exciting about ncpi? 07:00 Joubu good morning 07:00 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes 07:00 magnuse irma: not exciting at all, just something i gotta get done 07:00 magnuse preferably today 07:00 magnuse bonjour alex_a Joubu 07:01 alex_a_ salut magnuse 07:05 irma sounds interesting magnuse :) I am sending you a virtual lunch box with VEGEMITE sandwiches so you don't need to stop for lunch. Does that help? 07:07 Joubu I am sure he will need a break :) 07:11 magnuse thanks irma! 07:12 magnuse but yeah, there will be breaks 07:12 * magnuse usually walks the dog for half an hour before lunch 07:23 magnuse bonjour cait sophie_m 07:23 sophie_m hi magnuse and #koha 07:23 cait hi all 07:24 gaetan_B hello 07:29 Joubu hum, bug 14293 seems a bit bad, could someone confirm? 07:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14293 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the calculation of the suspension of users per day 07:30 Joubu Looking at the code, yes it's broken. But I am surprised that nobody raised this problem before. 07:30 Joubu It would exist in > 3.18 07:46 * andreashm waves 07:47 magnuse tjänare andreashm 07:47 andreashm hej magnuse 08:07 Joubu pianohacker: around? 08:07 cait Joubu: around? :) 08:07 * cait waves 08:07 Joubu hello cait 08:07 cait about the barcode bug 08:07 cait i tested in master without the patch for another barcode pattern -s ame results - but I didn't test in an earlier version 08:08 cait doy ou mean it used to generate the next number in older versions for multiple items? 08:08 Joubu cait: I want to know because if it's a regression I can try and fix it 08:08 cait i can test in a 3.18 if you give me amoment -we don't have libraries using the autobarcode 08:08 Joubu yes ofc 08:08 cait did you see my other comment on the on-site checkouts? 08:09 Joubu not yet 08:09 cait I failed to file a bug for it - but i think we should make on-site visible somewhere in the patron account 08:09 cait it only shows in the reading history, but no indicator on the current checkouts 08:10 Joubu cait: something else: pianohacker added a note on the column visibility for items bug: "that this development does not allow applying default settings to subfields that aren't mapped." 08:10 Joubu But the table already only displays the mapped fields 08:10 Joubu or I missed something 08:10 cait not sure i understand his comment 08:10 cait ah 08:10 cait i think what he means is having default columns visibulitiy in the columns settings? 08:11 cait not the defaults for the subfields 08:11 cait would that make sense? 08:11 Joubu ha maybe 08:11 cait in the columns administration 08:13 cait hm it appears to be broken in 3.18.8 as well .. the homebranch barcode 08:13 cait testing another 08:13 cait it generates the same number all over 08:14 cait but i agree... i kind of wonder if that has worked in older verseions 08:14 cait but probably earlier than 3.18 then? 08:15 cait bug 8425 08:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8425 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Autobarcode generates duplicate barcodes with AcqCreateItems = on order 08:17 cait from 2012 08:17 cait there is also bug 10890 08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10890 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Autobarcode "<branch>yymm00001" Fails in Acquisitions When Receiving Item 08:17 cait and bug 8684 08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8684 major, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken 08:19 Joubu hum ok, will have a look again... but I think 8684 fixes a bug on the check for an existing item, not the one create in the same round 08:20 Joubu cait: something else... sorry! But have you seen my previous comment here about bug 14293? 08:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14293 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the calculation of the suspension of users per day 08:22 cait is this the correct bug? 08:22 Joubu yes 08:23 Joubu cait: ha but... for the barcode, the issue is on additem or neworderempty? 08:23 cait neworderempty 08:23 wahanui somebody said neworderempty was really slow. 08:23 cait becuase of ajax 08:23 Joubu ha! ok that's a regression then 08:23 cait we don't write the barcode generated back to the database 08:23 cait so creating multiple it always creates the same 08:24 cait there is no comment from you on the bug :) 08:24 cait i think it's a duplicate 08:24 cait i have seen another this morning 08:25 cait bug 13909 08:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13909 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Suspension days calculation doesn't honour finesCalendar 08:26 cait hm no 08:26 Joubu the barcode stuff is not a regression, it has never worked I am almost sure 08:27 cait oh, comment on irc 08:27 cait Joubu: yeah, it hink so too 08:27 cait sadly :) 08:29 andreashm missed GBSD yesterday. So I signed off a bug today instead. Or so I thought, but I get an error message (status=200) when I try to attach it. =( 08:29 cait Joubu: bug 13909 related 08:29 cait ? 08:29 cait andreashm: which bug? 08:29 andreashm I probably messed up somewhere. As usual. =9 08:29 cait ah 08:29 andreashm bug 14726 08:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14726 minor, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Signed Off , Title not showing up on checkout summary 08:29 cait you might have to update your git bz 08:30 cait is there a git bz repository in your dev environment? 08:30 cait ine is in home/katrin... but not sure how the dev env is set up 08:30 andreashm I'm using using kohadevbox 08:30 cait magnuse: ? :) 08:30 cait can you check if there is a git-bz in your home directory of the user? 08:31 andreashm I get git bz to work, I could apply the path. but not attaching it to sign off 08:31 cait andreashm: it still counts 08:31 Joubu cait: yes, they opened 14293 some months ago and commented on 13909 yesterday. 08:31 cait you got 1.20 left or so of gbsd :) 08:32 cait andreashm: i was thinking maybe it's a problem iwth the auth 08:32 cait the error is usually hidden somehwere in the 200 html you get back 08:32 magnuse andreashm: could it be a timeout? 08:32 andreashm I got a timeout error first, and then tried redoing it 08:32 cait hm try attaching it without the -e 08:32 andreashm then got the status 200 error 08:33 andreashm ok, trying without the e 08:33 andreashm it seemed to work 08:33 andreashm maybe? 08:33 wahanui i think maybe is a momentaneous error 08:34 mveron Hi #koha 08:34 andreashm a yes, at least bugzilla got updated 08:34 andreashm well, I'm off to a meeting now. time to talk Koha to a new co-worker (developer)! 08:35 mveron @wunder Allschwil 08:35 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 18.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 09:06 Joubu @later tell tcohen please make jenkins execute ALL tests in t! 09:06 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:06 Joubu @later tell t/db_dependent/Circulation/IssuingRules/maxsuspensiondays.t is not! And it fails! 09:06 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:07 Joubu oops 09:07 Joubu :) 09:07 cait heh 09:07 cait happens to me all the time.... 09:08 Joubu oops again, the test pass... Wrong DB 09:08 Joubu @later tell tcohen ok forget that ;) 09:08 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:11 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 09:11 magnuse @wunder boo 09:11 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 09:39 drojf hi #koha 09:43 magnuse moin drojf 09:43 drojf hei magnuse 09:52 * cait waves and wanders off for lunch 09:56 * magnuse too 10:51 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:51 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 18.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 11:38 * andreashm waves 11:43 drojf hi andreashm 12:08 cait hi tcohen :) 12:09 tcohen hi there 12:09 wahanui privet, tcohen 12:10 tcohen hi cait Joubu marcelr 12:10 cait tcohen: are you grumpy with us? 12:10 tcohen why us that? 12:10 tcohen s/u/i/ 12:10 cait because picking the three of us who were involved with the bug :) 12:11 tcohen ah, just a coincidence :-D 12:11 tcohen you and Joubu, lots of stuff to talk about, and marcelr, about the Upload things 12:12 tcohen not grumpy at all! 12:12 Joubu "the bug" ? 12:13 tcohen did anyone had the chance to test the revamped kohadevbox? 12:14 cait hm drojf left already - i thought he might have 12:19 andreashm_ cait: was it you (your coworker) or was it Catalyst who made interesting things with (private) reports, for system integration? Can't remember what we said. 12:21 tcohen andreashm_: public reports maybe? 12:24 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:24 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.6°C (9:20 AM ART on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 12:30 xarragon when adding a new page to the opac.. does the template go under 'prog' or 'bootstrap'.. or are they overlapping? 12:30 andreashm_ tcohen: yeah we talked about that too. But cait said that perhaps it was possible with private reports too somehow. 12:31 andreashm_ if I remember correctly. 12:31 tcohen xarragon: it depends on the theme you are using, and 'prog' has been removed from Koha a while back 12:32 cait oh 12:32 cait reading back 12:33 cait andreashm_: i can show you something, a sec 12:33 andreashm_ cait: thanks 12:35 xarragon tcohen: yes, I saw a bug ticket from ölate 2014 which generated the same errors 12:37 xarragon tcohen: so when I add a new opac part, I need to add one part/template for each theme then? 12:38 tcohen xarragon: is it for in-house use or for commiting it to trunk? 12:38 tcohen if it is the latter, you need to provide for each theme, but hey, we only have bootstrap :-D 12:42 drojf tcohen: had to sleep yesterday, could not test anymore. but i don't feel like catching the flu anymore 12:42 drojf so i will give it a try later 12:42 xarragon tcohen: latter 12:44 lari Joubu, in bug 12426, you suggested a new subroutine instead of directly changing the message status in notices.pl. Would this subroutine basically have the same functionality as my patch, to set the status of message into 'pending' so that it will be processed later? 12:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12426 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Signed Off , Allow resending of emails from the notices tab in the patron account 12:44 tcohen drojf: I managed to solve all the small glitches 12:45 tcohen jessie is not working due to that silly missing dependency 12:45 tcohen i mean silly because that dep is not mandatory! 12:46 drojf how is the plan with the apache 2.4 requirement? is that going to stay? that would mean we have no real support for wheezya anymore? 12:46 drojf *wheezy 12:46 tcohen drojf: only if you want to the plack integration 12:46 tcohen *to use 12:47 drojf once that is working,everybody will want to use it 12:47 tcohen wheezy is fully supported, if you enable plack using koha-plack --enable 12:47 tcohen it won't actually use it right now (the apache config tests for the right version) 12:48 drojf fully supported but placknot working you mean? 12:48 tcohen drojf: yes, exactly 12:48 drojf i would not call it fully supported then :P 12:48 tcohen we will provide instructions for installing the backports 12:48 drojf more like "we left the cool stuff out but if you dont want that" :P 12:49 drojf but there are no backports for 32bit 12:49 drojf no idea how the official backports work, if it is expected to see apache 2.4 there 12:50 Joubu lari: I just suggested to move the code you introduced into a C4::Letters subroutine 12:50 drojf that may be a liw question 12:50 Joubu to make it covered by tests 12:50 * liw has been summoned 12:51 Joubu lari: especially because _set_message_status shouldn't be called outside of C4::Letters 12:51 tcohen liw: do u know if there are apache 2.4 backports for wheezy? 12:51 drojf hi liw :) 12:51 tcohen (official backports) 12:52 drojf more like, do you know if it's likely there will be 12:52 * xarragon regrets giving up coffee, almost falling asleep 12:52 drojf don't think there are any as of yet 12:53 mveron Hi again #koha 12:53 liw tcohen, drojf: I can't see apache2 in wheezy-backports on https://packages.debian.org/ using the package search, or using the rmadision tool from the devscripts Debian package 12:53 lari Joubu, ok, thanks for your input, i agree 12:54 tcohen drojf: so wheezy is supported, but you will miss some new cool stuff, unless you pick the un-official backports 12:54 drojf tcohen: or unless you use 32bit 12:54 * tcohen nods 12:54 drojf so i would call that unsupported. or vaguely supported 12:54 lari Joubu, it will be useful for my other work as well, I'm planning to create cronjob to automatically resend failed sms messages 12:55 lari we have been having lots of failed ones past days, it's annoying to manually run a query on them 12:55 drojf liw: but do you think it will get there eventually? how is decided what goes in there? 12:55 tcohen drojf: i respectfully disagree, right now it is an experimental feature that needs some user intervention to work 12:55 tcohen maybe we find a better solution before the release 12:56 liw drojf, a) a Debian developer decides a backport would be useful b) they port the version from Debian's testing suite to the target version (wheezy) and c) they upload it to wheezy-backports d) if it is a new package, it needs the backports guardians to approve it e) after that (or if no approval needed) it goes into wheezy-backports 12:56 drojf tcohen: right, it is not ready for productive use as far as i know (at the staff side) 12:57 tcohen drojf: the only problem is syspref caching, which is disabled in the shipped configuration :-D 12:57 drojf tcohen: but i think we all hope it will be soon 12:57 drojf liw: thanks 12:58 tcohen with this packages integration + a suitable kohadevbox that makes using it trivial, we will get broader testing, and eventually fix the remaining issues 12:58 liw drojf, I note that backporting something big like Apache is potentially a lot of work, though, which reduceds its likelihood 12:58 drojf liw: yes, i can imagine 12:58 tcohen before this, only some sysadmin/dev gurus had the chance to try it 12:58 tcohen liw: thanks 12:59 liw (those who would like to increase the likelihood should offer money to the people able to help make it happen, or encourage themselves or their employees to do it and become Debian developers, which is not at all as scary as rumour has it) 12:59 tcohen drojf: BTW: we should just drop support for apache in favour of nginx which wouldn't have caused this integration issues 12:59 drojf i think we had full support for squeeze until jessie was released, so it would be nice to not abandon wheezy too fast 13:00 liw there is a Debian LTS project provide support to (some of) wheezy for several years 13:01 drojf let's say eythian has to do it 13:01 drojf :P 13:03 tcohen heh 13:03 tcohen eythian++ 13:03 drojf eythian++ 13:03 drojf look he got increased, now he has to do it 13:03 liw poor eythian, who innocently participated in a short Debian packaging tutorial on my last day at Catalyst 13:03 tcohen drojf: we need people testing this, and solutions should come up 13:04 * mveron waves to cait and drojf 13:04 drojf his karma that is 13:04 drojf hi mveron 13:05 mveron hi drojf :-) 13:05 cait drojf: is 32 somethign that is still widely used? 13:05 cait serious question, i don't know much about these kind of things :) 13:05 hecki http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Satans_Library.htm 13:05 drojf cait: i don't know really 13:06 drojf oh look, irc spam 13:07 andreashm_ haha 13:08 liw 32-bit Intel servers are still plentiful; a number of virtual machine hosting places offer 32-bit only, to save a little bit on memory 13:08 liw but it's going away 13:09 cait but hey... it is a about a library... 13:09 cait as Koha still works perfectly fine without it... for me it's not a hard condition or 'non-full supported' 13:10 cait i hope that made sense 13:12 drojf [off] i should team up with the other paul and fight for full wheezy support, but he's probably still on something much older 13:13 cait 3.8 13:13 cait [off] which is apparently fairly recent... :) 13:14 drojf [off] on lenny or some ancient ubuntu? :P 13:24 tcohen i won't put 'Wheezy not fully supported' on the release notes :-D 13:25 tcohen sorry, i intended to write :-P 13:38 magnuse have fun #koha! 14:11 lari mveron, thanks for noticing! I would had forgotten :) 14:12 mveron lari: Welcome :-) 14:31 Joubu lari: much more better thanks! 14:32 Joubu lari: just a note: maybe the routine should return 1 if the msg has been resent, otherwise 0. Don't you think? 14:32 Joubu even return; 14:33 Joubu lari: maybe just return _set_msg_status($params); 14:36 lari Yeah in fact I had it returning 1 and 0 a while ago, not really sure what made me change it to message_id :) 14:40 lari doesn't _set_message_status return 0 but true on cases where no rows were affected? would it be best to simply return 1 or 0 from ResendMessage 14:54 lari Joubu, I made it return 1 on resent, and 0 otherwise. Thanks for feedback :) 14:57 Joubu perfect! 14:57 wahanui rumour has it perfect is the enemy of good 15:02 tcohen hi Joubu 15:03 Joubu tcohen: hi 15:09 Joubu Have to run, I will be afk for a week! bye #koha 15:10 ashimema enjoy your week Joubu 15:15 reiveune bye 15:26 tcohen bye Joubu ! 15:26 tcohen hi ashimema 15:27 ashimema evening 15:28 cait hi ashimema 15:28 cait Joubu: don't leave us.... :) 15:28 cait Joubu: have a good week! 15:43 drojf tcohen: what is the idea behind start and enable plack? or, why would i want to start the plack daemon but not enable plack use? 15:44 tcohen it won't start if it is not enabled 15:44 tcohen ah. no, it starts 15:45 tcohen you might want to run it for whatever reason 15:45 tcohen we do the same with SIP, zebra, etc 15:45 drojf we can disable zebra? 15:45 tcohen the init script won't start plack otoh 15:45 drojf i wonder what happens then :D 15:46 tcohen sip, think of SIP :-D 15:47 tcohen with zebra it is not the same situation: you might disable the instance at all, but want to run zebra for testing/debugging purposes, or to just have the z39.50 server... who knos 15:47 tcohen knows 15:49 tcohen so, drojf have you managed to run kohadevbox? 15:50 drojf have not tried yet, this is a regular installation with a master package 15:50 tcohen great 15:50 drojf so when i start plack, it will work on the default port 15:50 drojf ? 15:50 drojf just switch? 15:50 tcohen plack won't run on a tcp port 15:51 tcohen it is running on a unix socket 15:51 tcohen and koha-plack --enable <instance> 15:51 tcohen is uncommenting a line in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<instance>.conf 15:51 tcohen on both opac and intranet vhost definitions actually 15:51 tcohen take a look 15:53 drojf yes, but that means i had VirtualHost *:8080 before and when i enable plack, i continue to use the staff client at VirtualHost *:8080 15:53 drojf or not? :) 15:55 tcohen yes, your vhost definition doesn't change at all (in general terms) 15:55 tcohen it just looks for the cgi scripts somewhere else 15:57 drojf yes. i think we used to have starman running on different ports in ancient times, thats why i was asking 15:58 drojf is there a way to see if you are running plack? maybe an info in the about section would be good for the future 15:59 drojf a way to see it from inside koha, i mean 16:02 tcohen drojf: i'm working on taht 16:02 tcohen on a separate project, though 16:02 drojf cool 16:02 drojf tcohen++ 16:04 tcohen drojf: so koha-plack --enable/--disable just uncomments/comments two lines in the apache vhost file 16:04 tcohen and --start/--stop/--restart, well, you know 16:04 tcohen the new init script uses a new function 16:04 tcohen sorry, the new switches koha-foreach and koha-list have 16:04 tcohen (--plack/--noplack) 16:05 tcohen to choose to deal with the instance's plack server or not 16:06 tcohen if you have enabled bash-completion system wide, koha-plack <tab> should show you the available options 16:09 drojf ok. got to import some data so i have something to use 16:16 drojf can't stage a marc record 16:17 drojf Failed to submit form: error 16:17 drojf with and without plack enabled :D 16:18 tcohen yay! 16:20 tcohen do u have a screenshot? 16:22 drojf mom 16:24 drojf http://abunchofthings.net/koha/dev/stagingerror.png 16:24 drojf file upload goes ok, when i click stage for import i get the popup 16:47 drojf it works on master (git) though 16:53 drojf and now its all broken. that was fun :) 16:55 drojf tcohen: after disabling plack, stopping the plack daemon and then manually disabling the relevant lines in the apache conf (because they were still active) i can stage a marc file 16:57 drojf turning plack back on i cannot 16:59 drojf tried again and koha-plack --disable was enough to make it work, so that must have been my error before 17:06 kivilahtio_ tcohen: You asked me to discuss Koha::Exception with Joubu, and I created a slide show about our discussion. You can take a look here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13995 17:06 huginn 04Bug 13995: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Proper Exception handling 17:06 kivilahtio_ attachment "Comparing two Exception::Class approaches" 17:09 kivilahtio_ anyway that is just my 2 cents, I hope we find more angles to this discussion 17:11 cait oleonard++ 17:32 druthb cait++ 17:34 tcohen ie-- 17:35 wnickc pianohacker: oh, it's not zapping the items, z39.50 from the local catalog creates a new record, I just assumed it edited the existing record 17:38 pianohacker wnickc: it honestly should... 17:40 tcohen kivilahtio_: nice doc, but maybe a middle road should be considered too 17:40 tcohen like grouping exceptions by context 17:40 tcohen in a file 17:51 tcohen drojf: i reproduced the problem, file upload doesn't seem to work 17:52 drojf so it took me one minute to find a bug \o/ 17:52 drojf :) 17:55 tcohen drojf: the whole point is to find them all faster 17:55 tcohen and fix them 17:55 tcohen heh 17:56 tcohen i even think there was a bug filled for that 17:56 tcohen oh, my queue... damn 17:58 drojf if plack out of the box support makes it into 3.22 it might do a raspberry pi image for people to play with 17:59 drojf so i have a reason to play with that again :D 18:01 tcohen drojf: http://giphy.com/gifs/cpRQzY4VS3V3W 18:01 drojf hehe 18:05 tcohen i cannot login to the installer with the DB credentials, with plack :-D 18:08 drojf i was wondering about that. i only switched to plack after the installer 18:08 drojf i think i have seen a bug for that 18:08 tcohen it refuses to log in, it just reload the page 18:09 tcohen there is this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805 18:09 huginn 04Bug 13805: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Installer does not work under Plack 18:09 drojf ah just wanted to post that :) 18:09 tcohen but the current plack.psgi file does actually include the ->disable_syspref_cache() line 18:09 drojf hm 18:10 drojf gotta go shopping now, later 18:10 tcohen heh 18:10 tcohen ok 18:11 tcohen magnuse: what shall we do with the ansible-driven kohadevbox? 18:11 tcohen new branch? 18:22 tcohen bye everyone, have a nice weekend 18:27 pianohacker cait: my thought on the 999 was that deleting the 999 entirely is the only way to make sure it's safely re-added; it's not exposed in the basic editor, no? 18:35 bag pianohacker: it’s not exposed in the basic editor 18:36 pianohacker cait: check C4/Biblio.pm, lines 2947-2958 18:56 cait people could have used other 999 subfields 18:56 cait you would kill their data 18:59 cait pianohacker: ^ 19:05 cait you can't blindly delete fields like you want ;) 19:18 cait hm 19:24 nengard cait i think pianohacker left to go teach a class 19:24 nengard just fyi 19:25 cait makes sense :) 19:25 cait thx 20:03 pianohacker cait: I'd kill their data, but so will any other MARC modification in Koha :) 20:03 cait are we talking about deleting the whole 999 20:04 cait or only about dleeting the subfields with the ids? 20:04 pianohacker cait: the whole 999, but check the code, Rancor's just doing it earlier :) 20:05 cait it seems very wrong 20:05 pianohacker I agree 20:06 pianohacker But what is also very wrong is to have multiple 999s, that is a problem that is currently impossible to fix without a script and which confuses many parts of Koha 20:06 pianohacker we've run into this a few times with our partners 20:09 cait is it not possible to disallow editing 999? 20:09 cait or better... the 999 subfields 20:09 cait ? 20:09 cait don't allow to add edit or delete 20:09 cait by keeping them out of the editors 20:10 pianohacker I could mark any other subfields besides 999$c as forbidden 20:10 pianohacker having an out-of-band MARC tag makes things a lot more complicated :) 20:11 cait hm not only c 20:11 cait biblioitemnumber too? 20:11 pianohacker yeah, $c and $d 20:11 cait i am still in shock about the 999 20:12 pianohacker cait: yeah, it's quirky the way Koha handles it 20:12 pianohacker I wish it weren't saved to the record (like how item data is handled) 20:13 cait hm waht about unimarc? i think they store it in 001? 20:14 pianohacker cait: yup. The code uses the mappings 20:14 tcohen hi 20:15 cait hmm 20:15 cait pianohacker: i just tested something 20:15 cait i added a 999a 20:15 cait and it stays there when saving and reediting 20:15 cait so koha doesn't kill it 20:15 pianohacker cait: in a separate tag? 20:16 cait it might have added another 999 yeah 20:16 cait looks like it 20:16 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that? 20:16 pianohacker cait: yeah. Koha only kills the first one in the record (it should kill all of them; multiple 999s mess up the rest of Koha) 20:18 cait even if they don't have the c and d? 20:18 pianohacker yup 20:20 cait messy 20:20 pianohacker agreed 20:36 tcohen cait: hi 20:36 cait hi tcohen :) 20:52 cait pianohacker: i guess your approach is... valid then? 20:52 pianohacker cait: unfortunately 20:53 cait the shock hasn't worn off yet heh 20:53 cait any plans for the weekend? 20:53 pianohacker cait: celebrating my mom's birthday 20:53 pianohacker bbl :) 20:54 cait have a good weekend :) 20:57 Kchris have a good weekend, everyone.