Time Nick Message 00:04 * dcook wonders if pianohacker is still around 00:04 dcook Ahh guess not 00:53 dcook Hmm Params::Validate is kind of neat 01:07 mtj oooh, http://news.mit.edu/2015/crash-tolerant-data-storage-0824 01:21 eythian https://i.imgur.com/IvDTs4I.gifv 01:22 francesca woaaah creepy 03:07 cdickinson https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3ibkmt/mother_may_i_uninstall/ 05:44 * magnuse waves 06:30 magnuse @wunder boo 06:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 06:30 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 14.3°C (8:21 AM CEST on August 26, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 06:30 magnuse hah! 06:31 reiveune hello 06:32 eythian @wunder nzwn 06:32 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on August 26, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). 06:33 eythian ...and out into it I go... 06:34 magnuse overcast and 10C? doesn't sound too scary, eythian? 06:34 magnuse unless there is lots of wind, of course 06:34 eythian I think the forecast was for up to 40kph 06:35 eythian so not terrible 06:39 magnuse you've had worse, i bet :-) 06:42 fridolin hie there 06:54 magnuse bonjour fridolin 06:56 fridolin bonjour magnuse, ça gaze ? (means watsup') 07:01 alex_a bonjour 07:10 magnuse fridolin: ncip is up! 07:12 fridolin magnuse: ncip ? 07:12 wahanui well, ncip is NISO, SIP is 3M 07:13 fridolin eth0 is up ? :) 07:22 magnuse ncip is also http://www.ncip.info/ 07:22 wahanui okay, magnuse. 07:39 fridolin Joubu: hie, continue on Bug 14544 07:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves 07:39 fridolin Joubu: test plan says : "3/ No feedback messages when actions are done" but there are nice messages after an action like removing a record 07:42 putti why koha says that a patron has too many holds even though the limit is 50 hold per patron. 07:43 putti Is it because there is some property of an item? 07:44 sophie_m putti: you can limit holds in you circulation rules 07:46 putti sophie_m, they seem to look fine. 07:47 putti What should be the status of the item be, so that I can place a hold for a patron? 07:48 fridolin Joubu: are u there ? 09:18 cait morning #koha 09:18 * cait waves from the airport 09:31 cait @wunder Copenhagen 09:31 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 09:31 cait @wunder Kopenhagen 09:31 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 09:36 magnuse @wunder cph 09:36 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Copenhagen, Denmark is 16.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 09:36 magnuse @wunder boo 09:36 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 20.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 09:36 magnuse hah! 09:37 cait thx magnuse :) 09:38 cait and you win too 09:39 magnuse when are you going? 09:39 cait boarding soon :) 09:52 grharry Are there any metaproxy .deb packages compatible with the lib versions bundled with the koha-3.20.3 indexdata zebra packages ?? 09:52 grharry and if yes ... where ?? 10:07 Joubu Hi #koha 10:13 fridolin Joubu: hie, 10:13 fridolin I'm on Bug 14544 lots of gifts for you 10:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves 10:13 Joubu fridolin: yes, feedback msgs are sent 10:13 Joubu to the user 10:14 fridolin Joubu: so why "no feedback messages" in test plan ? 10:15 Joubu because there is a superfluous negation 10:15 Joubu (and because my test plans suck) 10:16 Joubu fridolin: no, it's correct! 10:16 Joubu The patchset fixes some bugs: 10:16 Joubu 3/ No feedback messages when actions are done 10:16 fridolin ahhhhh 10:17 fridolin 2/ is a affirmation, 1/ and 3/ are the bug 10:17 fridolin okiii 10:17 fridolin Joubu: seen my last note ? 10:17 wahanui I haven't seen 'my', fridolin 10:17 fridolin wahanui: dont start you 10:17 wahanui fridolin: excuse me? 10:20 Joubu fridolin: yep, I am on it 10:21 fridolin Joubu: also, how add a record on a public list (not mine) that allows it ? it is not listed in "Add to..." 10:21 Joubu I think it should 10:22 Joubu fridolin: note that there are some bugs in this area, it's not the goal to the refactoring to fix them 10:22 fridolin mmh but how test then 10:38 Joubu fridolin: confirmed, it does not work, it should 12:29 tcohen morning! 12:31 alex_a hello tcohen 12:31 alex_a tcohen: For bug 8236, you mean you have merge problem on tests file ? 12:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Patch doesn't apply , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction 12:31 alex_a I don't have such issue 12:32 tcohen exactly 12:32 alex_a only on updatedatabase script and syspref.sql 12:32 tcohen let me re-check 12:50 tcohen alex_a: you should really keep the amount of newlines on updatedatabase.pl (if you don't use atomicupdates) 12:51 alex_a tcohen: I wanted to use atomiupdates and remove all in updatedatabase.pl 12:51 Joubu fridolin: new patch set submitted, all the bugs (you have found) should be fixed, and I have squashed the bug fixes 12:51 fridolin Joubu: okiii nice 12:52 tcohen alex_a: maybe i'm doing wrong, but after fixing the updatedatabase.pl i still get the tests conflict 12:52 tcohen http://snag.gy/XO2wI.jpg 12:53 tcohen ¡bonjour Joubu! 12:53 tcohen hi fridolin! 12:53 Joubu Salut tcohen 12:54 fridolin hie tcohen 12:56 alex_a tcohen: you are not wrong :( 12:57 marcelr hello #kha 12:57 marcelr koha 12:57 marcelr koha? 12:57 wahanui koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info 12:57 marcelr ok 12:58 Joubu KOHA? 12:58 wahanui KOHA is, like, a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info 12:58 marcelr bug_14544++ 12:58 Joubu arf no 12:58 fridolin Joubu: new pb : when not loggedin, public lists are empty 12:58 fridolin at OPAC 12:59 marcelr fridolin++ 12:59 marcelr Joubu++ 12:59 marcelr any one else ? 12:59 Joubu fridolin: where? I see them 12:59 fridolin Ah, I'll create a new one 13:00 marcelr wahanui: KOHA is wrong spelling 13:00 wahanui ...but koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info... 13:00 fridolin Joubu: I see them but they are empty 13:00 marcelr wahanui forget KOHA 13:00 wahanui marcelr: I forgot koha 13:00 Joubu marcelr: not sure wahanui is case sensitive 13:00 marcelr koha? 13:00 Joubu "wahanui: marcelr: I forgot koha" :) 13:00 marcelr koha is GREAT 13:00 marcelr koha? 13:00 wahanui somebody said koha was GREAT 13:00 tcohen hi marcelr 13:00 marcelr hi tcohen 13:01 marcelr having a good time with wahanui 13:01 Joubu fridolin: ha yes... 13:01 tcohen are you attending the meeting? 13:01 Joubu erk 13:01 marcelr yes 13:01 marcelr is it already 14utc now? 13:01 marcelr still one hour to go? 13:03 fridolin tcohen: did you have a look at Bug 14375 ? i have provided a UT 13:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14375 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , DBIx::Connector should be stored in C4::Context instead of dbh 13:05 Joubu fridolin: ok patch coming 13:06 tcohen fridolin: awesome 13:06 tcohen yes, i saw it 13:08 fridolin tcohen: I hope we can validate it with Olli before 3.22 release 13:08 tcohen fridolin: what are you talking about now? 13:09 fridolin tcohen: bug nb 14375 13:09 fridolin about DBIx::Connetor, Olli said he will test 13:09 tcohen hm, his seems absent 13:09 tcohen hmm, absinths 13:09 Joubu fridolin: fixed 13:10 fridolin yep, i did not say today ;) 13:10 fridolin Joubu: new patch or changed one ? 13:11 Joubu fridolin: I have reuploaded some patches 13:11 fridolin oki 13:11 Joubu found a bug... 13:11 Joubu ok, bug on master too 13:12 Joubu you can create a bug even you are not logged in 13:12 Joubu well, you can access the add form, but the list is not created 13:14 fridolin Joubu: sorry me again 13:15 fridolin when not logged-in, I have access to list creation form cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?op=add_form 13:15 fridolin i should be directed to auth$$$$ page 13:15 fridolin authentication page opac-user.pl 13:17 Joubu fridolin: hum, it's the same as mine, isn't it? 13:19 fridolin Joubu: the same as what ? 13:19 fridolin ah ^ 13:19 fridolin yep same bug 13:19 fridolin ends with a bd error 13:20 Joubu I am fixing it, and removing the "new list" links when the user is not logged in 13:21 fridolin yep 13:25 Joubu fridolin: patch sent 13:27 fridolin Joubu: nice 13:33 magnuse time for dinner, will miss the meeting :-( 13:33 fridolin Joubu: cosmetic : "No private lists." should not appear when not loggedin 13:35 Joubu Actually the whole tab should not appear... 13:36 fridolin ok, I can go to op=add_form but when saving I get a message 13:36 fridolin we could also set authnotrequired = 1 for some $op 13:37 Joubu yes, for later ;) 13:37 fridolin so that after loggin you get to the wanted page 13:37 Joubu fridolin: "No private lists" is now hidden, with the last patch 13:37 fridolin later=never in programing ;) 13:38 Joubu it's "later" when it's out of the scope or existing bugs 13:39 marcelr later=bugs too 13:40 marcelr KOHA? 13:40 wahanui i heard KOHA was GREAT 13:40 marcelr koha? 13:40 wahanui koha is GREAT 13:41 marcelr wahanui KOHA is wrong spelling, but koha is GREAT 13:41 wahanui ...but koha is GREAT... 13:41 marcelr wahanui forget koha 13:41 wahanui marcelr: I forgot koha 13:41 marcelr wahanui KOHA is wrong spelling, but koha is GREAT 13:41 wahanui OK, marcelr. 13:41 marcelr koha? 13:41 wahanui rumour has it koha is wrong spelling, but koha is GREAT 13:41 marcelr o man 13:43 fridolin Joubu: no pb ;) 13:43 fridolin Joubu: a newwww one : 13:43 fridolin OPAC on a record details page 13:43 fridolin one can create a new list with "Save to your lists" 13:44 fridolin after that the view of this list crashes 13:44 fridolin it is because sortby in NULL 13:44 fridolin maybe use "title" by default in db 13:45 Joubu ha, I have got this one, I thought I came to my data 13:45 Joubu from* 13:54 fridolin Joubu: dirty one :) 13:54 putti fridolin, maybe it's like the bug 14732. 13:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14732 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Search patrons and add selected patrons to a new list gives an error 13:54 Joubu fridolin: why that? 13:55 Joubu putti: not the same area, 14732 is about patron lists 13:55 putti okay :D 13:57 fridolin Joubu: oh because it failes on SQL syntax, deep below 13:57 Joubu I promise I have tried it! 13:58 fridolin I believ you 13:58 fridolin I have a last one, maybe not in scope 13:58 Joubu fridolin: what's the sql error? 13:59 putti when is gmcharlt on irc usually? 13:59 fridolin Joubu: ... check syntax after : asc LIMIT 20" 14:00 Joubu fridolin: yes, but it should be gone after executing the DB update 14:00 fridolin since the sortby is missing I think the SQL is : orderby (nothing) asc limit 20 14:00 fridolin ah correct 14:01 fridolin Joubu: is there a atomic update ? 14:01 Joubu yes 14:04 fridolin Joubu: at OPAC 14:05 fridolin when a public list allow adding records, you can try to remove any record 14:05 fridolin and if you do, you get no message 14:05 fridolin but record is not removed 14:06 fridolin ah you get "No biblio has been removed. " 14:06 putti This is ok: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14732 ? 14:06 huginn 04Bug 14732: major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, Search patrons and add selected patrons to a new list gives an error 14:07 drojf is this the dev meeting, or is that somewhen else? 14:07 fridolin I think there is a message "you do not have permission ...", but best whould be to not have the link 14:08 marcelr meeting? 14:08 wahanui i heard meeting was in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then 14:08 Joubu fridolin: please provide a step by step plan on the bug report 14:08 marcelr good idea 14:08 tcohen oh 14:08 tcohen it is time! 14:08 marcelr yes sir 14:08 drojf there was an email about it ;) 14:09 tcohen i might have missed it drojf 14:09 drojf ok soit's not just me being confused :) 14:09 fridolin Joubu: oki 14:09 tcohen just a second 14:09 marcelr tcohen++ # 9809 14:11 tcohen i'll be here in 2 minutes 14:11 tcohen need to mark pushed to master some bugs before i foret 14:12 marcelr go for it 14:13 tcohen done 14:14 tcohen #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 August 2015 - part 1 14:14 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 26 14:14:18 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:14 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:14 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_1' 14:14 tcohen #topic Introductions 14:14 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 14:14 tcohen please introduce yourself with #info 14:14 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:14 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, UK 14:14 marcelr #info Marcel 14:14 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre 14:15 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions 14:15 tcohen will wait a couple more minutes 14:15 tcohen for others to join 14:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11190: sitemap.pl -- Generate a Catalog sitemap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca341f6840ad7eb9170ce49f1ed6869b3e468297> / Bug 14557: Add holds count to holds tab <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc79ab3cdd42513fa46a7f78c03282625543d6f5> / Bug 14557: Clean up biblio-view-menu.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3b7f059a1f 14:16 tcohen huginn: shh, meeting 14:16 huginn tcohen: downloading the Perl source 14:16 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, Cineca, Italy 14:16 drojf #info mirko tietgen, berlin, germany 14:18 tcohen ok, i think that's all 14:18 tcohen khall_dnd: ? 14:18 tcohen ashimema? 14:18 wahanui rumour has it ashimema is on qa now .) 14:18 khall_dnd #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:18 Joubu dnd is for dungeon and dragon, isn't it? 14:19 tcohen yeah, he's distracted 14:19 marcelr no longer 14:19 tcohen ok, moving on then 14:19 khall ; ) 14:19 tcohen #topic RM 3.22 comments 14:19 tcohen please RM, speak 14:19 tcohen not here? ok, moving on 14:20 tcohen #info some important sutff has been pushed recently, notably plack integration for packages and the sitemap building tool contributed by Tamil 14:21 tcohen #info I hope all of you have the chance to take a look to the plack integrating scripts, so we have them tuned for the release 14:21 tcohen #action the RM will send a pull request for kohadevbox to be adapted to this new scripts 14:23 tcohen #info Koha::Logger has been pushed too, and it is expected that new devs use it, while we don't enforce such things. 14:23 marcelr is there some rule for using Koha::Logger? 14:23 tcohen please ask here on IRC for help if you have doubts on how to use it 14:23 Joubu Koha::Logger: it would be great to have a coding guideline about how to use it 14:23 marcelr yes 14:23 tcohen yes, I agree 100% 14:24 tcohen khall: you wrote a piece of text on the wiki on how to use it, right? 14:24 marcelr if khall writes that rule, that would be great :) 14:24 khall tcohen: I'm not sure, I'll have to refresh my memory. If I haven't I'll be sure to do so! 14:25 khall I think I've only done a wiki page for Koha::Object 14:25 Joubu see comments on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14597#c6 14:25 huginn 04Bug 14597: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Reverting a batch where a record overlaid is now deleted record will fail 14:25 tajoli also an article on koha newletter ? 14:26 tcohen good idea tajoli 14:26 tcohen khall: would you write something we could vote on a next dev meeting? (sooner than this one) 14:27 khall absolutely! 14:27 tcohen #action Kyle will write a proposal for adding the use of Koha::Logger to the coding guidelines 14:27 tcohen questions? 14:27 wahanui questions are good :) 14:27 tcohen I expect questions on plack 14:28 tcohen we really need testing 14:29 tcohen is anyone using kohadevbox for testing here? 14:29 Joubu not yet, will do soon 14:29 tajoli For test I use dev install 14:30 tcohen maybe we could do some tutorial during the next GBSD 14:31 tcohen ok, i'll move faster so we get to the main topic 14:31 tcohen i've been trying to keep my queue low, taking on bugs as a higher priority, and trying to push older stuff first 14:32 marcelr tcohen++ 14:32 tcohen i remind you that if i ommit something it is not on purpose, so please tell me if you feel your work has been lagging on my queue 14:33 tcohen i'm trying not to get bored with the amount of boureaucratic work the RM tasks mean, so I've been coding stuff myself so i splitted my time (sort of) between small devs and the RM duties 14:33 tcohen at this time of the year, when lots of people are on vacation, it is difficult to keep the pace and have things moving on 14:34 tcohen this is a personal comment, but i want you to know that 14:34 tcohen it is a lot of work and too little fellows around 14:34 tcohen that's why i've been writing tab-completion patches and such 14:34 tcohen to stay focused on something fun 14:34 tcohen heh 14:34 tcohen ok 14:34 drojf fun++ 14:34 tajoli I confirm that in Italy August is vacation month 14:35 tcohen as usual, let me know anything that is bothering or worrying you. better earlier than late 14:35 tcohen any other comments on my comments? 14:36 tcohen #topic RESTful API Implementation 14:36 tcohen work on this topic is sort of stuck right now 14:36 tcohen the point of this meeting was to talk about it, and try to figure what needs to be done to unlock that development 14:37 tcohen from the very beggining, the use of a web framework like Mojolicious has been subject of some criticism 14:38 tcohen we are not yet at a point where the results are in clear favour of using the framework, that's my opinion 14:38 tcohen while I am in favour of adopting Mojolicious 14:38 tcohen so, i support that implementation basis 14:39 tcohen my personal opinion is that the work that's been done was focused on one use-case, system<->system communication (hence the API key stuff) 14:40 tcohen and once the rest of us mentioned that integrating the use of CGISESSID and the rest of Koha's permission system into it 14:40 tcohen we got to a halt situation 14:41 tcohen Olli said it would be difficult to do with the current authentication API, and went all into rewriting (Koha heh) the Auth code 14:41 ashimema I've been MIA for a while I'm afraid, and will continue to be unfortunately for a little longer.. too much on my plate at the minute to get to grips with these re-writes :( 14:41 ashimema so.. apologies for little to no comments 14:41 khall I believe that the RESTful API needs to function for external access, and within Koha itself. If we don't use it in Koha, we'll be reinventing the wheel for any ajax work we do, and likely the API will not get well maintained 14:42 tcohen khall: exactly, that's why this was raised in the previous REST meeting 14:42 jajm does someone have looked at Olli's work ? i didn't have time to do so yet 14:43 tcohen is there a possibility that we integrate the current permissions checking code into the code jajm wrote with Mojo? 14:43 ashimema not in detail jajm.. it's a big piece 14:43 khall I've seen it and it look very nice 14:43 tajoli Olli work on Auth is based on many add on Koha:: 14:44 fridolin I've had a look at Auth rewrite, looks very nice an object oriented code. But I cant say if its correct 14:45 tcohen it is a pity he's not around today, because i'd like him to remind us how he ended convincing himself the rewrite was the only way to go 14:45 tajoli See graph of dependeces from this bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13995 14:45 huginn 04Bug 13995: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Proper Exception handling 14:45 Joubu and be scary 14:46 tajoli I think it is a good work but there are many assuption on dependeces and evolution of Koha code into Koha:: 14:47 tcohen my feeling is that we should be able to hook the CGISESSID authentication and permission checking with the current API, in a non-fancy way, while we (step by step) re-do the authentication code 14:47 tajoli Many new pieces of code 14:47 Joubu The main problem, imo is that a lot of technical choices have been done, but without any consensus/discussion 14:47 Joubu if we continue in this direction, we'll never see something pushed for the next X years 14:47 Joubu (with X > 3) 14:48 tcohen Joubu: can u elaborate? (i assume you mean not only Mojo adoption) 14:48 tajoli exactlym this the problem "lot of technical choices have been done, but without any consensus/discussion" 14:48 Joubu I mean Olli's work 14:48 tcohen ok 14:48 Joubu The discussion has been done some months ago, and now we got several implementations 14:49 Joubu but nobody discuss and people does not work together 14:49 tcohen could we improvise a list of that decisions? 14:49 tcohen i can start: 14:49 tcohen - Exception handling 14:49 tcohen (i've seen code from Olli and Jonathan that is not exactly similar, but on the same direction) 14:50 Joubu (quite the same) 14:50 tcohen olli's introduces several (too many) files for each exception, Jonathan's puts all of them in a single file 14:50 tcohen but when people looks at olli's patch, they just get scared by how many new classes are introduced 14:51 khall I think we could take a middle road between all exceptions in one file, and one file per exceptions. I think one file per module's exceptions would be good 14:51 tcohen khall++ 14:52 Joubu this point is certainly is less important :) 14:52 jajm what is the bug number of Joubu's exceptions ? 14:52 Joubu the* 14:52 Joubu bug 14544 14:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves 14:52 Joubu somewhere in one patch 14:52 jajm thx 14:53 Joubu (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=41958&action=edit) 14:54 tcohen http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=41958 14:54 tcohen oops 14:54 tcohen 'description => "poeut"' 14:54 jajm i think the number of files doesn't matter, and with khall proposal won't we have to define what a module is ? 14:55 Joubu yes, agreed, there is no decision or discussion to get/have on this subject 14:55 tcohen i think we should have Koha::Exceptions for general ones, and the Koha::Exceptions::<Package> on a as-needed basis 14:56 jajm but do everyone agree on using exceptions ? 14:56 tcohen anyway 14:56 khall tcohen++ 14:56 tcohen khall: it was your idea :-D 14:56 khall : ) 14:57 khall jajm: I sure do. Does anyone *reject* the idea of using exceptions? 14:57 tcohen Joubu et al, can we try to create a list of implicit design decisions beside the use of Class::Exception? 14:57 Joubu tcohen: mine is on the list rewrite 14:57 Joubu bug 14:58 Joubu pm raises an exception, the pl sent it to the tt and the templates show a specific message 14:59 Joubu not sure we can have several ways to do :) 14:59 jajm khall, i do not reject the idea, i'm not used to exceptions and a little afraid to have try/catch everywhere 14:59 Joubu jajm: not everywhere, just at the right places 14:59 tcohen Joubu: If we suggest Olli to colapse his general purpose exceptions into Koha::Exceptions, and you reuse them and add your package specific ones into a separate package, do u think it could work? 14:59 khall jajm, it will be a much cleaner approach to error handling in the long run. You can catch an exception at any point in the call chain 15:00 Joubu tcohen: yep 15:00 tcohen jajm: we already have if (!defined $something) { short_circuit_with_some_output_to_tt } else { move_on } everywhere 15:01 tcohen anyway, so we focus on the main subject 15:01 tcohen we found a design decision that needs to be discussed and consensus found before it can be pushed 15:02 tcohen the first thing is to reach a middle road approach so we at least look consistent 15:02 tcohen i will ask Olli and Jonathan to cooperate to have a single implementation, and we will discuss it on the next dev meeting, trying to reach some consensus about it, ok? 15:03 khall sounds good! 15:03 tcohen could we try to find another decisions that are implicitly made and should be discussed in the open? 15:03 Joubu I don't think it's worth to block the list rewrite, for instance(:p), where just renaming the file could be done later 15:04 khall I agree 15:04 grharry Does anyone know why when the idzebra binaries 2.0.60-1 from indexdata are used ... all facets disappear from the OPAC ?? 15:04 tcohen because we have this workflow in which if someone doesn't like it, he/she doesn't get involved, and no decision is made, maybe we should work on that issues 15:04 tcohen grharry: later, we are having a meeting right now 15:04 khall tcohen: what about the auth refactoring? is that a discussion for now or later? 15:05 Joubu bug 7174 15:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Authentication rewriting 15:05 tcohen khall: i think we need to discuss if that rewrite would be mandatory for the REST work or not 15:05 khall ok, that makes sense 15:05 tcohen jajm: what's your feeling about it? 15:06 khall they have become somewhat intertwined it seems. If we say yes to mojo, then the refactor is needed according to ollie 15:06 tcohen can we have a simpler integration of the permissions layer into your Mojo implementation, or you are stuck about it? have no idea how to do it? need other opinions? 15:07 tcohen i ask all this because i haven't had the chance to look at olli's work in depth 15:07 Joubu I think at the last meeting, Mojo didn't reach a consensus 15:08 Joubu tcohen: so nobody had a look at olli's work 15:08 jajm my feeling is that the rest api authentication worked without the rewrite when i first wrote it, but the check for permissions had to be done inside controllers instead of inside the swagger.json file 15:08 Joubu maybe because it's a +10k lines change :) 15:09 tcohen so, we would end up with a no-ideal implementation 15:09 tajoli I see only Olli's work are many new files 15:10 jajm i don't really know what are the benefits of declaring needed permission in swagger.json 15:11 tcohen ashimema: ? 15:11 ashimema got called away.. just cathcing back up 15:12 tcohen jajm is saying that in principle we could have the REST implementation in Mojo without a full Auth rewrite, the only issue is that we will end up hooking perm checks on the controllers instead of declaring it in swagger 15:13 khall and what limitations does that cause? Does that mean the permissions needed are not auto-documented? 15:13 tcohen besides the fact that some devs are quite unhappy with adopting Mojo and it will probably lead to more discussions, do u think that situation jajm depicts should be blocker for the implementation? is it something we could work on later? 15:14 ashimema hmm.. 15:14 ashimema having 'everything' defined within the specification file is a 'nice to have' but I wouldn't say it's a must to start with. 15:15 ashimema by everything in that context I mean the permissions stuff in this case. 15:15 ashimema but I'm sure other stuff will come up in the future 15:15 tcohen my feeling is (besides de Mojo problem) that we have always tried to do an incremental work. with this 'external' endpoint, we have the chance to do it incrementally, reusing what we already have, and taking the time to make things better on a as-needed basis 15:15 jajm aside from that, i'm wondering if permissions in swagger.json will be sufficient. for example, what if we want to require 'borrowers' permission for /borrowers/XXXX only when XXXX is not me ? 15:16 ashimema jajm, that's a very viable use case.. and your right.. there's no clear way to define that logic in a swagger specification 15:17 ashimema the swagger plugin for mojo does treat auth simply as a these pages need authentication, these don't approach.. 15:17 ashimema it's doesn't deal with roles as far as i'm aware 15:18 ashimema roles = authorization as aposed to authentication I suppose.. 15:18 ashimema it's certainly a complex problem without a simple soution 15:19 tcohen jajm: is it possible that your implementation is reduced to using user authentication (CGISESSID) and check for the needed permissions on the controller so it is simpler to think of and test? 15:19 ashimema part of my issues with the 'external' api is that our 'internal' api is so all over the place 15:19 tcohen you mean we are probably inconsistent? :-D 15:20 ashimema pretty much all of our authen methods do eventually end up with a CGISESSID cookie.. 15:20 ashimema so I think that would be a great way forward 15:22 jajm tcohen, it is certainly possible to check for CGISESSID cookie before the api key stuff, if this is what you mean 15:22 ashimema I'd kinda like to see an example of an area of our code that's written to take advantage of all the Mojo stuff. 15:22 tcohen what i mean is to take all but CGISESSID-based authentication out 15:23 tcohen and have the end-point require the same permissions patrons.pl requires (for example) 15:24 tcohen ashimema: i don't think we can find that, as the REST end-point would only benefit a UI integration using AJAX (like if we used angular) 15:25 jajm tcohen, it's also possible (even if i don't understand why we would remove apikeys authentification) 15:25 tcohen ashimema: you are asking why we think using a web framework like Mojo would benefit the project compared to just sticking to Koha::SErvice? 15:25 t4nk493 Hello!, I got a question about hourly loans 15:26 ashimema That's sorta my point.. the biggest use case for a nice restful api, is for a angualr like ui as the consumer.. 15:26 ashimema thus, I think whoever is doing the api work needs to prove they've 'got it' from the consumers point of view too.. 15:26 ashimema dogfooding the api 15:26 t4nk493 Koha takes care about the close time of the library to issue in hours? 15:27 ashimema I have nothing against Mojo.. in fact I love it. 15:27 khall ashimema: you are correct. That's is/was the plan with the ajax based circ pianohacker has written. Once we've got our RESTul services, he'll be rewriting it to use them 15:27 ashimema but I'm not entirely sure how it intergrates into koha as is.. 15:27 t4nk493 if the library close at 19:00 and you checkout at 17:00 for 3 hours, Koha must force this checkout to 19:00 instead of 20:00 ... 15:27 ashimema khall.. I think circ is too big fro such an example.. 15:28 ashimema I was more thinking a tiny area of functionality.. 15:28 khall ashimema: as a proof of concept, yes, way too big 15:28 ashimema say 'Your patron lists' under the tools area? 15:28 ashimema that's tiny, well defined. 15:28 ashimema hopefulyl wouldn't take too much to create the api routes for etc. 15:28 tcohen https://github.com/tomascohen/koha/commit/812a53f41681dc01833915240079d259f24d4694 15:29 ashimema that way we can see how people are suggesting integrating te mojo stuff into the existing koha stuff.. 15:29 khall ashimema:I think you are asking for a proof of concept patch that would actually use the mojo based rest api. is that correct? 15:29 khall use it within Koha that is 15:29 ashimema yeah.. 15:30 tcohen chicken-egg situation 15:30 ashimema that way one can look at it, prove it's all working.. authentication, api routes, etc etc. 15:30 jajm ashimema, i don't know angular, but can't we make it use the apikey mechanism ? 15:30 khall ok. We could go about this by replacing something in svc with a mojo equivalent then modify the code calling the svc script to use mojo instead 15:30 ashimema I dunno.. it's all conjecture at this point fomr me as I've not got the time to do anything much on koha :( 15:31 ashimema I dont' entirely understand your api key mechanism.. 15:31 ashimema feels like re-inventing the wheel somewhat (i've done that plenty of times.. usually not a good idea).. 15:31 tcohen jajm: angular is running on the browser, and reuses the session cookie 15:32 ashimema jajm.. can you sum up what your apikey stuff achieves? 15:32 ashimema what's it's use case? 15:32 tcohen the api-key mechanism is similar to google's api key mechanism, but i think it only introduces noise to this 15:33 tcohen that's why i propose to leave that out of the discussion 15:33 tcohen it *might* be useful, but the use cases we should be considering are using the REST endpoints from the Koha UI 15:34 ashimema agree with tcohen. 15:34 jajm ashimema, it's a bit hard to summarize it, but it's designed to be secure and is based on this page (http://blog.ineat-conseil.fr/2013/01/restful-authentication/ - 7th point - in french, sorry) 15:34 ashimema using cgisessions for me is a first case 15:35 khall agreed 15:35 khall cgisessions will still work with external services, it's just not as simple 15:37 jajm if we agree to use cookie based authentication, the whole point of using apikeys mechanism (security) is lost imo 15:38 tcohen jajm: i'm not sure about that, but certaintly the session cookie use case is really important at this point 15:39 tcohen and given the fact that having the permissions layer defined on the swagger configuration is not that obvious 15:39 ashimema there's two disperate use cases here.. 15:39 tcohen i think we could have a functional POC to play with, without rewriting Koha to have a RESTful endpoint 15:40 ashimema tcohen, khall adn I are thinking about the internal uses (i.e the Koha Client), jajm is thinking of the external uses ( i.e joomla, druple whatever as the client) 15:40 ashimema both use cases are definitely important. 15:40 tcohen ashimema: exactly, and that is correct, but we could do that on a separate bug 15:42 ashimema jajm, that page bascialyl describe OAuth.. if we want to go that route.. we should use actual OAuth 15:42 ashimema ;) 15:42 ashimema that's a different conversation though.. as tcohen says 15:43 marcelr sorry, have to go 15:46 fridolin see u 15:47 khall I agree with ashimema both internal and external use cases a equally important and necessary 15:47 khall I know Ebsco wants to do neat stuff with Koha once we have an API in place 15:47 ashimema I'm still struggling with the apikey stuff.. 15:47 ashimema trying to read the code quickly.. 15:47 ashimema it looks to me like your giving a key to each user? 15:48 jajm ashimema, yes 15:48 ashimema that's madness.. that's just like giving them yet another password 15:49 ashimema the apikey notion is all about allowing app to app communication.. 15:49 ashimema So.. you have an apikey per application that wants to consume your api.. 15:50 Joubu I don't think so, 1 apikey per koha user 15:50 ashimema app x wants permission to access app y, app y generates a key and gives it to app x... app x then signs all requests to app y with their key (you've authenticated the APP).. 15:50 Joubu 1 user could use several apps 15:50 jajm ashimema, it's like another password... but a password that is not sent through network, it's only used to encrypt the request 15:50 ashimema app x want's to access user z's data in app y, user z has to allow app x said access by logging into app z and allowing it. 15:51 ashimema if user z wants to login to app x with their account from app y, then they just use their username and password.. 15:51 ashimema preferably within the originating app.. nto the external one.. 15:52 ashimema this is how github, google, facebook etc all work 15:52 ashimema I think your mistaking a password for an auth token here 15:52 jajm anyway... as a first step we could use only cookie based authentication, that will let us the time to rethink about api key authentication 15:52 ashimema sounds good to me.. 15:53 Joubu yes please, a first step :) 15:53 tcohen jajm++ 15:53 khall agreed! 15:53 ashimema I'd read up on OAuth and JWT jajm.. those are the technologies that are leading the pile for this sort of thing.. 15:53 ashimema but using cookies for now is perfectly acceptable to me. 15:53 ashimema in app. 15:54 tcohen jajm: i have only one concern with the patchset (once we limit the scope of the bug to cookie sessions) 15:54 ashimema I do have some plans to increase our cookie security a bit shuold we need to.. 15:54 ashimema I'm not entirely sure if we're hmac'ing them or not at the moment.. 15:54 ashimema or any of the other clever stuff.. 15:54 ashimema jajm++ 15:54 Joubu hmac'ing? 15:54 ashimema cookies aren't inherantly insecure.. it's how most people use them that is. 15:55 tcohen jajm: if you take a look at the plack integration i've made, you will notice I added (commented out) a /api route on the apache configuration for packages 15:55 Joubu k got it 15:55 ashimema adding timestamps and bits Joubu 15:56 ashimema that page jajm linked to (in french) will probably explain them better than me. 15:56 tcohen we should really think of a way to make running this easier 15:56 ashimema to note though.. mojo session cookies are hmac'd out of the box ;) 15:56 tcohen so we could use that route or change it 15:57 jajm tcohen, what is your concern exactly ? 15:57 tcohen if it is possible to integrate your work into the packages configuration for easier testing 15:58 tcohen olli added several configuration files, etc 15:58 tcohen it has got a bit messy 15:58 tcohen requiring a domain name to run it 15:58 jajm tcohen, you're talking about http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13791 ? 15:58 tcohen api.<your koah> 15:58 huginn 04Bug 13791: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Plack - Out of the box support on packages 15:58 tcohen yeap 15:59 Joubu so, what's the next step? 15:59 tcohen to me, the next step is that we clean the bug up 16:00 tcohen and reduce the patchset to only session cookie authentication 16:00 tcohen i volunteer to help on writing the patches to integrate this with the packages 16:02 Joubu Should we take a decision for Olli's patchs? 16:02 Joubu not now, but another meeting dedicated to this subject? 16:02 jajm tcohen, patch 1.1 of http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 changes just that: it allows to access api through http://opac/v1/... or http://intranet/v1/... 16:02 huginn 04Bug 13799: new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API 16:02 tcohen first things first 16:03 tcohen jajm: do u think you can have the time to work on the changes that have been mentioned? 16:03 tcohen i mean, you or biblibre (who were in charge of this work) 16:04 jajm tcohen, maybe we should discuss that with Olli first, don't you think ? 16:04 bag morning 16:04 tcohen jajm: I think we can all agree that there is a consensus that the full Auth rewrite is not mandatory at this point 16:05 tcohen it is a good road to go through, but not blocker to have this move on 16:05 bag thanks for chatting about this (got here as fast as I could) 16:06 tcohen but i think it is ok to include Olli on this session cookie implementation if you feel like 16:06 jajm ok 16:06 tcohen jajm: do u think you can have the time to work on the changes that have been mentioned? probably with Olli's help? 16:07 * tcohen wants t owrite an #action right now :-D 16:08 jajm tcohen, you can write an #action ;) 16:09 jajm i can work on that soon 16:09 tcohen #action Julian/Biblibre will refactor his REST API implementation so it does session cookie authentication, and API-key mechanism implementation/discussion will be dealt with on a separate bug 16:10 tcohen #action Tomas will help if needed on integrating it to the packages and kohadevbox so testing it is easier for anyone 16:10 tcohen #action Jonathan will bring the belgian beer we all miss 16:10 bag YAY! 16:10 jajm \o/ 16:10 tcohen Joubu: regarding the Auth rewrite 16:11 tcohen I think that work looks good so far, and it should probably be discussed on the next dev meeting 16:11 ashimema got called away to fix a server.. back now. 16:11 ashimema yeay.. actions 16:11 tcohen if Olli is available 16:11 tcohen #action Tomas will ask Olli when he can be available to attend a dev meeting to discuss his Auth rewrite 16:12 tcohen am i missing something? 16:12 tcohen ah, yeah 16:12 tcohen Kyle volunteered to write a POC using the REST API 16:12 tcohen right? 16:12 tcohen :-D 16:12 khall yes! 16:13 khall I'll give it a shot at least 16:13 tcohen #action Kyle and pianohacker will be looking into this rewrite of the REST api to base their AJAX circulation work on it 16:13 ashimema use a nice tiny page pretty please khall ;) 16:14 tcohen ashimema: we were thinking of rewriting the framework editing pages :-P 16:14 ashimema I'm shying away from reading scary big re-writes of massive modules at the moment.. 16:14 ashimema haha 16:14 tcohen anyone has something else to add to this? 16:15 tcohen i feel we need to move on as this got pretty lenghty 16:16 tcohen ok, moving on 16:16 tcohen #topic 'Big stuff we are working on' 16:16 tcohen anyone? 16:16 wahanui i heard anyone was free to organize one at any time :-) 16:16 * ashimema has to scarper.. i'm on tea cooking duty this evening and the girls are screaming hungry 16:16 khall I've been working on a document delivery / article request feature. I know cait's ears perked up when I filed the bug ; ) 16:16 ashimema awesome khall 16:16 ashimema khall++ 16:17 tcohen khall++ 16:17 tcohen #info Kyle has been working on a document delivery / article request feature 16:17 tcohen bug number? 16:18 khall will find 16:18 tcohen someone else? 16:18 khall bug 14610 16:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add ability to place document delivery / article requests in Koha 16:18 tcohen #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14610 16:18 huginn 04Bug 14610: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add ability to place document delivery / article requests in Koha 16:20 tcohen I have started working on using some of the prior work from jcamins to better abstract search results and for moving around records. One of the goals is to make them carry some data on their own 16:20 tcohen like metadata schema, serialization format 16:21 tcohen ideally, we could get JSON, USMARC, XML, etc and have the code know what to do with each of them 16:21 tcohen that's what I've been thinking about 16:21 tcohen the ES implementation will translate things into MARC to reuse the current business logic/presentation logic 16:22 tcohen but at some point we should just use Koha::RecordProcessor (with Koha::Filter::*) to handle just 16:22 tcohen Koha::MetadataRecord objects 16:23 tcohen that way, if we want to support a different serialization format, we just need to subclass Koha::Filter, to handle our serialization format, and unit tests would be already written 16:23 jajm is there a bug number ? 16:23 tcohen my preliminary work so far: bug 14645 16:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14645 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Koha::RecordProcessor should deal with Koha::MetadataRecord objects 16:24 tcohen and bug 14639 16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Extend Koha::MetadataRecord to handle serialization format 16:25 tcohen we should then make ES / Zebra code return Koha::MetadataRecord objects 16:25 tcohen probably wrapped inside Koha::Search::Results or something similar 16:25 tcohen anyway, i just mention it for anyone interested to know 16:26 tcohen once i have something more interesting i will show up, probabluy robin will have something to add/discuss about this 16:27 tcohen ok 16:28 tcohen #info Tomas is starting to work on some better abstraction using Koha::MetadataRecord for easier handling of different serialization formats and better code modularity (i.e. rewriting C4::Search, specially the code that deals with filtering record data) 16:28 tcohen #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14645 16:28 huginn 04Bug 14645: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Koha::RecordProcessor should deal with Koha::MetadataRecord objects 16:28 tcohen #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14639 16:28 huginn 04Bug 14639: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Extend Koha::MetadataRecord to handle serialization format 16:28 tcohen someone else? 16:29 tcohen #topic GBSD - Reminder, things that need to be done 16:30 tcohen #info Remember we have a Global Bug Squashing Day (GBSD) planned for September 3 2015 16:30 tcohen don't miss it 16:30 tcohen #info if you have something you think might be interesting for that day, please check here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2015-09-03_Global_bug_squashing_day 16:31 tcohen i really have to leave, so if no one else has something to add 16:31 tcohen #topic Set time of next meeting 16:31 tcohen #action Tomas will post on koha-devel with a proposal for the next meeting 16:31 tcohen and that's it 16:31 tcohen thanks everyone 16:31 tcohen jajm++ 16:32 jajm thanks tcohen 16:32 tcohen #endmeeting 16:32 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 26 16:32:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 16:32 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_1.2015-08-26-14.14.html 16:32 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_1.2015-08-26-14.14.txt 16:32 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_1.2015-08-26-14.14.log.html 16:39 tcohen lunch time, later #koha 17:12 tubaclarinet Good day everyone...I have a stupid question 2 ask 17:14 tubaclarinet How do I change my nickname on this system? 17:17 bag /nick ...... 17:17 bag @help nick 17:17 huginn bag: (nick [<nick>]) -- Changes the bot's nick to <nick>. If no nick is given, returns the bot's current nick. 17:18 tubaclarinet Thx, I'll try it out 17:20 [tubaclarinet] @bag: thx :-) 17:20 huginn [tubaclarinet]: downloading the Perl source 17:21 pianohacker Joubu: could I ask you a quick question about fe986573dd6a6b10dc0456be2609ee29cb459ac8 ? 17:22 pianohacker it seems like that commit made it impossible to properly save the value of cache_expiry when editing an SQL report. Is that true, or am I missing something? 18:35 tcohen hi magnuse 18:46 nengard Is there a way to change the email address a bug was entered with? I entered some bugs with the wrong account the other day 19:13 magnuse hiya tcohen and nengard 19:14 magnuse nengard: probably not 19:14 magnuse bz does not seem too keen on letting people change things 19:21 nengard grumble 19:21 nengard i might deleete my bugs and reenter them :) 19:25 tcohen oh my 19:25 tcohen a user is saying they cannot use the cataloguing plugin cn_browser.pl if they don't set superlibrarian permissions for the user... 19:25 tcohen i said "you are doing it wrong" 19:25 tcohen well, they are not 19:35 tcohen bye #koha 20:42 barton hey all, I was just talking about cleaning up warnings in /var/log/apache2/error.log, pianohacker suggested that I file bug reports, because these should be easy to fix and are fodder for koha programmers who are looking for experience... 20:43 barton I think that I can do one better though: 20:43 barton cut -c 28- /var/log/apache2/error.log /var/log/apache2/error.log | sort | uniq -c | sort -n 20:44 barton ^^ this will find perl warnings in the apache2/error.log sorted by frequency. 20:45 barton fun for the whole community! :-) 20:47 barton pianohacker also mentioned that mtompset had done a lot of work on this, for which I applaud him. 20:47 barton mtompset++ 20:48 barton tcohen: any more fun with shell expansions :-) ? 20:53 tcohen barton: hey, only koha-indexer 20:54 tcohen guys, I'm in the middle of family/home stuff, I'm not sure i will attend the whole meeting, not to speak about chairing it 20:55 barton hey, that's good by me... for day to day support, koha-mysql and koha-shell are the ones that I use every day. 20:57 tcohen next is koha-translate in my queue 21:07 rangi @later tell magnuse http://dashboard.koha-community.org/needsignoff/json for GBSD 21:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:07 barton tcohen: do you have a list of bug tickets for those, or are you creating tickets as you move through the queue? 21:08 tcohen barton: the second option 21:09 rangi barton: aleisha has been fixing a bunch of noisy warns too 21:09 * rangi goes back to training 21:09 cdickinson rangi: change of plans, can't come in today, something I need to go to in the afternoon. but I will be working on the project today 21:09 wahanui cdickinson: that doesn't look right 21:10 rangi cdickinson: no worries 21:10 cdickinson wish I didn't forget my USB flash drive though 21:10 cdickinson at Catalyst yesterday 21:10 barton aleisha++ 21:12 * cait waves 21:15 barton hi cait! 21:15 cait hi barton 21:18 tcohen it is time for the part 2 of the meeting (its' been for 18 minutes i think) 21:18 tcohen cait: i said i'm not able to be 100% on the meeting 21:19 tcohen could anyone chair instead? 21:19 cait i can't sorry 21:19 tcohen I think i put the right links to the minutes 21:19 tcohen on the wki 21:19 tcohen np 21:19 cait [off] i had about 3 hours of sleep last night and a big presentation tomorrow 21:20 tcohen [off] good luck! 21:25 pianohacker tcohen: I think the bulk of the dev meeting happened this morning; I don't know if there's much left for right now 21:25 pianohacker eythian++ 21:26 tcohen pianohacker: i'm not sure, there are some concerns about the introduction of mojolicious, and i know you've been playing with an alternate implementation for your ajax circ rewrite 21:27 tcohen maybe having more people give their opinion would be great 21:28 pianohacker Alternate, much more minimalist implementation, yes. There was so much push for the REST one that I thought that was a settled question 21:28 tcohen i cannot chair, so we still depend on someone's willingness to do it, and people to participate 21:28 tcohen there's always pros and cons 21:29 tcohen making them explicit to make out choices is the best way to go 21:30 pianohacker tcohen: neither bag nor I know how to chair, unfortunately, and khall is out :/ 21:30 bag tcohen: can you teach pianohacker how to chair? 21:31 tcohen pianohacker: this is the agenda 21:31 tcohen split your screen IRC | agenda 21:31 tcohen if you look at the "Full log" link 21:32 tcohen you will see preceded by # what i put on each part of the meeting 21:32 pianohacker okay. I think I can do that. 21:32 tcohen you should copy and paste some of those 21:33 pianohacker Should I go ahead and get this show on the road? 21:33 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my thoughts" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/54 21:33 tcohen changing some stuff, minimal changes 21:33 tcohen pianohacker: also, tell people rangi's thoughts too, we usually do that when someone cannot attend but leaves his thoughts 21:34 tcohen pianohacker: yeah! 21:34 pianohacker all right! 21:34 pianohacker #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 August 2015 - part 2 21:34 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 26 21:34:19 2015 UTC. The chair is pianohacker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:34 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:34 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_2' 21:34 pianohacker #topic Introductions 21:34 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:34 pianohacker Please introduce yourself with #info 21:35 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions 21:35 barton #info barton, bws, Louisville Ky, USA 21:35 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 21:36 pianohacker will leave introductions open until :40 21:36 tcohen great 21:36 tcohen eythian? 21:37 wahanui go back to bed, eythian 21:37 tcohen it must be beer o'clock 21:38 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 21:38 barton tcohen: it's always beer o'clock for wahanui. 21:39 pianohacker cait or cdickinson? 21:40 cait not really here 21:40 pianohacker kk 21:40 cait sorry 21:40 pianohacker no worries 21:41 pianohacker moving on 21:41 bag #info brendan gallagher bywater 21:41 pianohacker #topic Summary from part 1 21:41 pianohacker #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_1.2015-08-26-14.14.html 21:42 pianohacker Things of note: 21:42 pianohacker Plack integration in 3.22 21:42 pianohacker Possibility of adding Koha::Logger to coding guidelines 21:43 pianohacker Work on REST API to simplify auth and integrate into packages 21:43 pianohacker anything else I should mention? 21:44 tcohen i asked everyone to test the plack integration for the packages 21:44 tcohen and promised to send a pull request for kohadevbox so it makes use of the new scripts and we can test this 21:45 pianohacker excellent 21:45 bag yes 21:45 wizzyrea yep, good stuff 21:46 tcohen that's it from me 21:46 pianohacker tcohen: would you like to add any RM comments? 21:46 tcohen i forgot to mention that using plack the way I proposed poses some challenges while trying to solve another ones :-D 21:46 wizzyrea such as? 21:47 pianohacker #topic RM 3.22 comments 21:47 tcohen as i said yesterday here, the apache docs lie about what is supported in which version 21:47 tcohen so running this as-is requires backporting apache from 14.10 on ubuntu 14.04, and enabling the backports component of Debian 7 21:48 wizzyrea Ah 21:48 tcohen for ubuntu there is a ppa doing it, and for debian it just works adding wheezy-backports 21:48 tcohen we have enough time to test this, and fix it however we find more siutable 21:48 pianohacker is there no other way to connect to plack? running it directly with mod-fcgid, for instance? 21:49 tcohen the current approach relied on finding free TCP socket ports for running each plack process 21:49 pianohacker #info Current proposed method for integrating Plack into packages requires a version of Apache only present in Ubuntu 14.10 and wheezy-backports 21:49 tcohen i shortcircuited that issue, by using Unix Domain sockets instead, taking advantage of apache 2.4's capabilities 21:50 tcohen pianohacker: i would add that Debian 8 works out of the box 21:50 tcohen so it sounds less bad :-D 21:50 pianohacker that's Jessie, right? 21:50 tcohen rigt 21:50 tcohen i'll talk about this on the list 21:50 pianohacker #info addition to above: also included in Debian 8 (Jessie) 21:51 wizzyrea these things sound fixable 21:51 pianohacker yup 21:51 wizzyrea or roundaboutable 21:51 * wizzyrea is not sure that's a word 21:51 pianohacker round abou table? 21:51 pianohacker :) 21:51 tcohen wizzyrea: if you don't have the right apache version, it just doesn't use plack, no breakage 21:51 tcohen (at least :-D) 21:52 tcohen i have to add (rangi reminded me) that this approach is also suitable for using with nginx 21:52 wizzyrea yep, that's what I was picking up, thanks :) 21:52 tcohen which is yet another integration challenge 21:52 tcohen anyway, lets move on :-D 21:52 wizzyrea zoom. 21:53 pianohacker And that's not really a blocker, IMO; you only get easy plack integration if you have the latest distro version or do a tiny bit of extra work 21:53 pianohacker tcohen: no other comments? 21:53 wizzyrea and we'll be moving towards better support, not away, over time. 21:53 tcohen nope, and that's pretty much all my participation, gotta pick manuel 21:54 tcohen bye! 21:54 pianohacker #topic RESTful API Implementation 21:54 pianohacker bye tcohen 21:54 wizzyrea bye 21:54 pianohacker wizzyrea: agreed 21:55 pianohacker Two main bugs: 21:55 pianohacker http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 21:55 pianohacker and 21:55 huginn 04Bug 13799: new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API 21:55 pianohacker http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13920 21:55 huginn 04Bug 13920: new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, API authentication system - proposal 21:56 wizzyrea regarding this api - rangi asked me to convey the following (he's away from his desk) : I much prefer a lighter approach like Koha::Service that pianohacker has been doing, or the svc/ system However if there is a way to do it without needing an Auth rewrite and a new daemon running, I could live with it. 21:56 wizzyrea so I think he's not totally on board with the current approach 21:56 pianohacker as far as moving that proposal forward, the strategy from the earlier meeting was to simplify the authentication system so that it could move forward without a rewrite for now 21:57 pianohacker wizzyrea: agreed, and I think there are a lot of reservations about its complexity 21:57 pianohacker one big question I have is whether this is at least testable without requiring a separate server for mojo 21:58 cait I am all for simplifying - the harder we make it, the slower we will move forward - becuase people are too scared to test, try, activate... 21:58 bag I think this mornings things adressed those wizzyrea - simple auth - no rewrite and tcohen said he’d help with the techinical integration 21:58 pianohacker I'd like to propose that we add a CGI script based on http://search.cpan.org/~mramberg/Mojolicious-4.60/lib/Mojo/Server/CGI.pm 21:58 pianohacker at /api 21:58 bag a challenge on the daemon part - but I think everyone felt like it could be possible 21:58 cait simple auth sounds good - but i still have no idea how to set it up 21:59 cait basically pianohacker's question probably 21:59 pianohacker It would be hidden by an apache rewrite if the daemon is set up, but would work (if slowly) otherwise 21:59 pianohacker thoughts? 21:59 cait pianohacker: can you explain a bit more? 22:00 cait it sounds good, but not sure i understand :) 22:00 wizzyrea ^ 22:00 pianohacker my idea is that we create a CGI script literally called api (without a .pl, like the scripts in svc) 22:00 pianohacker that launches the API using Mojo::Server::CGI 22:01 pianohacker it would have to set up everything on every single request, but would allow far easier testing 22:01 pianohacker (this is all on the assumption that the paths for the api are under /api/ ; is that true?) 22:03 cait pianohacker: easier testing sounds good - what would you not need to set up in that case? 22:03 pianohacker the mojo daemon or the apache reconfiguration 22:04 wizzyrea ah yeah it would fire one up for each request, and not be daemonised I think I understand. 22:04 pianohacker ^ 22:04 cait so a compromise, having both ways with advantages/disadvantages 22:04 wizzyrea that would be poky, but testable 22:04 pianohacker and honestly, my initial thought is also that it would be poky, but we should test and see how terrible it is 22:06 pianohacker because heck, if it's only as slow as any other CGI script, we could just say that to speed up the REST API, set up plack :) 22:06 bag that was a thought that I have heard pianohacker - plack 22:08 bag and plack integration into packages now - that’s nice and simple 22:08 pianohacker #action pianohacker will investigate feasibility of running API as CGI script 22:08 wizzyrea if there is urgency on this bug, and I think that there is, making it testable would definitely help. 22:08 pianohacker bag: has anyone run the API as part of a general Plack install? 22:08 bag yes urgency :) 22:08 bag don’t know the answer of yes/no for that question 22:09 pianohacker yeah, we're looking at doing ajax circ using this, and there's, uh, interest in that 22:09 wizzyrea (but I don't think that those people who have reservations [smarter people than me] will probably come around to this approach) 22:09 wizzyrea that's just your hazard warning. 22:10 bag I’d recommend for anyone/everyone from the above comment - to read the logs from this morning 22:10 bag there was good discussion there 22:10 bag and to speak up :) 22:10 pianohacker I have a massive pile of reservations about this, mostly related to its complexity, the difficulty and boilerplate of adding new API endpoints, testing difficulties, etc 22:11 pianohacker but I think we've got it okay enough that we should try to polish this thing up as much as we can so we don't lose it 22:12 pianohacker any other thoughts about the API for now? 22:13 wizzyrea what are the alternatives, if any? 22:13 pianohacker I'm not really counting C4::Service, that's old and silly 22:14 pianohacker There's Koha::Service, which represents the polar opposite approach, but which I don't push much for reasons of conflict of interest: 22:14 pianohacker http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12272 22:14 huginn 04Bug 12272: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Refactor C4::Service API into Koha::Service class 22:15 pianohacker that's mostly a cleaner way of doing the old style of service, though 22:16 pianohacker my understanding is that the reasoning behind the new API was starting fresh with a style of API that's a little more internally structured 22:17 wizzyrea (I'm still here, just pondering) 22:17 wizzyrea What are the absolute most basic things we need out of this? 22:18 wizzyrea what is the minimum necessary 22:18 bag api? 22:18 wahanui rumour has it api is expected to be flexible enough to let us add other search engines later 22:18 pianohacker RESTful, versioned API 22:18 bag wiki? 22:18 wahanui wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 22:19 pianohacker #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/New_REST_API_RFC 22:20 wizzyrea so doing stuff with borrowers, and searching serial items? 22:21 pianohacker that's the thrust of the RFC, though Kyle or I will be shortly adding checkin/checkout 22:21 eythian hi 22:21 wahanui bonjour, eythian 22:22 bag this are the minimums 22:22 bag typing give me a sec 22:22 bag 1. Auth 22:22 bag 2 get patron status 22:22 bag 3. get checkout infromation 22:22 bag 4. get hold information 22:22 bag 5 get fine information 22:22 bag 6 renew checkout 22:23 bag 7 create edit delete hold 22:23 bag 8 get pickup location 22:24 bag <finished> 22:24 bag That’s a summary - of course each area has a lot more to them - but that’s the heading :D 22:25 wizzyrea Is there an actual specification document anywhere? 22:25 wizzyrea public 22:25 bag I thought it was on the wiki that’s why I first said wiki 22:25 bag :D 22:25 pianohacker wizzyrea: I think the above is the closest 22:25 bag but yes it’s been passed around 22:25 bag publicly 22:26 pianohacker #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=37413 22:26 pianohacker #info see above for an example of adding the necessary objects, API endpoints and tests for a new API piece 22:27 eythian also patron creation 22:27 wizzyrea righto 22:27 eythian because that's already been written, but got blocked waiting for the API. 22:29 wizzyrea yes, patron creation would be an important one to add 22:30 bag I added a goggle doc to the wiki link that shows the full thing for you wizzyrea 22:30 bag https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rWP0RAcYmdlukdacFHremN9TmaKQVtkuEaqpv2i8OHw/edit?usp=sharing 22:30 wizzyrea yay thanks! 22:30 pianohacker I think we should send something to the list asking for comments/additions and vote on what the v1 api should include 22:31 bag pianohacker: I feel like we decided that at the hackfest 22:31 * rangi wanders past 22:31 rangi 5 min break 22:31 pianohacker bag: some of that is on the wiki link I posted above 22:31 bag cool thanks pianohacker 22:31 pianohacker but it sounds like there are a lot of missing pieces 22:32 pianohacker rangi: if you have a sec, see what I proposed at :00 about mojo-in-irc 22:32 pianohacker you may have comments on the tech side 22:32 wizzyrea So, basically we need this asap because EBSCO is wanting it for their discovery layer, ya? 22:32 rangi its worth a try 22:32 pianohacker and because of ajax circ 22:33 rangi also, we need to know how to hook it into plack, without emulating cgi 22:33 bag next release wizzyrea 22:33 wizzyrea (speaking of that, I'm pretty excited about the angular circ) 22:33 bag so for part one - that’s in the works - no auth rewrite 22:33 rangi ie, i dont want to be running plack and mojo side by side 22:34 bag part two - that’s were something needs to be creative 22:34 pianohacker http://stefanorodighiero.net/posts/2014-03-30-managing_multiple_mojolicious_app_with_plack.html ? 22:34 rangi also i share all the same reservations, this way overcomplicated and way undertestedable 22:35 bag valid :) 22:35 rangi the only reason im not flipping out more, is that without the auth rewrite, it doesnt have the propensity to break everything, in the same way that the rushed hourly loans, or first ajax circ did 22:35 bag hoping it’s testable 22:35 rangi it will just break itself, hopefully 22:35 rangi right, back to angular training i go 22:35 pianohacker bye 22:35 bag let’s see what 1 brings - then talk with tomas about part 2 - he said this morning that he has ideas there 22:36 pianohacker all right, I think we need to see what the stuff from the earlier meeting brings before we can make more decisions 22:36 pianohacker agreed? 22:36 cait what's 1 and 2? 22:36 bag 1. no auth rewrite 22:36 bag 2 no daemons 22:36 bag :D 22:36 wizzyrea #info Plenty of reservations about the REST API functions, but we can't make any decisions yet because work is still in progress 22:37 pianohacker does that work from non-chairs? 22:37 bag yes to what wizzyrea said 22:37 pianohacker ah, yes, https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot implies so 22:37 pianohacker all right, I'm closing that topic then 22:37 bag maybe add to it pianohacker - we need at least 4 weeks to really test this 22:37 wizzyrea https://algonquincollegesocialmedia.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/tumblr_m7gj9qivt51rxdvy7o1_500.gif 22:37 bag so time is a huge matter here 22:38 pianohacker bag: throw on an #info 22:38 wizzyrea #info the API will need at least 4 weeks testing 22:38 bag #info we need at least 4 weeks to really test this - so time really inmportant… I can help with funds - if needed 22:38 bag nice typo bag 22:38 pianohacker double coverage! 22:38 pianohacker bag++ 22:39 pianohacker ytpos++ 22:39 pianohacker #topic Big stuff we are working on 22:40 bag ES needs testing 22:40 pianohacker eythian: anything to add about elastic search? 22:40 eythian I might do a writeup some time soon on it. But essentially: ES is mostly working, there are a goodly number of rough burrs to file down, and bits of integration etc. 22:41 eythian but at its core, it's doing mostly the right things. 22:41 eythian the browse side of it is also working. 22:41 wizzyrea So. It is not a big thing, but it is a thing - I'm working on tidying up/standardising some of the interfaces, mostly in my own time. Just alerting you all that it is happening and that you'll see some patches every now and then doing that. 22:41 wizzyrea staff interface 22:41 wahanui staff interface is different, of coruse 22:41 bag I am talking daily with Elastic trying to get them to do training for all the developers - but they can’t get their mind around the fact that I can’t get all the koha developers into the same room 22:42 eythian heh 22:42 eythian i though they did webinars 22:42 pianohacker you just need a biiiiiig room, bag 22:42 bag I should think they do webinars eythian 22:43 eythian https://www.elastic.co/webinars/get-started-with-elasticsearch <-- in fact, they do 22:45 bag I even met with them in person at oscon eythian and they still were not able to answer my questions 22:45 eythian ah right. Keep nagging them, I'm sure they'll get the idea :) 22:45 eythian At some stage I should write up a big thing saying how I'm using it all, too. 22:47 bag that would be cool - I could hand that to them - and say - hey guys - I’d like a custom webinar that helps us with this… 22:47 pianohacker eythian: mind if I add a #action? 22:47 eythian pianohacker: if you like :) 22:48 pianohacker #action eythian to make a writeup showing how he's using ElasticSearch 22:48 wizzyrea https://twitter.com/ZacharyTong < here's the guy who does the webinars #imhelping 22:49 eythian #imhelping isn't an IRC channel, wizzyrea 22:49 wizzyrea zip it 22:49 wizzyrea :D 22:49 wizzyrea it is now because you clicked it. 22:50 pianohacker unrelated tidbit: I have not been able to convince freshmen in CS that #include is not pronounced "hashtag include" 22:50 eythian ... 22:50 eythian I 22:50 eythian .. 22:50 eythian ug 22:50 bag pianohacker: try this one —> it’s prounouced me-me - not meme 22:50 eythian aren't guns legal there? 22:51 pianohacker hahahaha 22:51 pianohacker as a teacher, I strongly disapprove of that idea 22:51 pianohacker strongly 22:52 wizzyrea ok right 22:52 pianohacker anyway. Not much on the bywater front. Kyle and I will be sending an RFC in the coming weeks to work on an overhaul of the circ rules interface and frontend 22:53 pianohacker to allow for setting rules piecemeal as opposed to the current supertable that requires setting every value for every situation 22:53 wizzyrea what are the problems there you are hoping to solve? 22:53 pianohacker wizzyrea: The current system has the following issues: 22:53 pianohacker 1) The current interface, with the superwide table, is intimidating and confusing 22:54 pianohacker 2) the frontend and backend require that you set every value for every branch/itemtype/categorycode combination 22:54 pianohacker 3) The fallback order from specific branch/itemtype/categorycode all the way back to default branch/itemtype/categorycode is confusing as hell 22:55 pianohacker I wrote that verbose list at the top of smart-rules.tt, and I don't remember it! 22:56 wizzyrea :) 22:56 pianohacker we have ideas for a new UI and database structure that will make things a lot clearer and more flexible for librarians 22:56 pianohacker and how to do this overhaul piecemeal and not as one huge bug 22:57 pianohacker this is not something that's happening now, but it's on the radar and we're looking for feedback. The RFC will include UI and DB mockups 22:57 wizzyrea yeah, I was just wondering how you would split that up into testable bits 22:58 bag gotta run 22:58 pianohacker bye bag 22:58 wizzyrea later bag 22:58 eythian bye bag 22:58 pianohacker #info ElasticSearch is moving forward, the basics are working. Just needs some refining 22:59 wizzyrea #info ByWater have a circ rules revamp on their roadmap 22:59 pianohacker thank you, was just writing that :) 22:59 pianohacker all right! Anything else? 23:00 wizzyrea I don't have anything 23:00 wizzyrea oh, um, 3.18 is coming along, but there are a few 3.18 only bugs that need poking 23:00 pianohacker wizzyrea: topic 3.18 RM comments? 23:00 eythian pianohacker: she's furiously looking things up 23:01 pianohacker I'll take that as a yes :) 23:01 pianohacker #topic 3.18 RMaint comments 23:01 eythian pianohacker: btw, make sure your students call it "octothorpe include" for the future. 23:02 wizzyrea oh, well, it's not specifically 3.18 but we have a couple of bugs that are waiting on bug 13618 - and they really ought to have interim solutions 23:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 23:02 wizzyrea bug 14691 and bug 14505 23:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Can't delete patron with ' character in cardnumber 23:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14505 normal, P5 - low, ---, j.kylmala, Needs Signoff , single quotes in journal number cause print routing list window to not appear 23:02 pianohacker ha! That's my course coordinator's preferred pronunciation as well 23:02 wizzyrea but we can't decide on a solution 23:02 wizzyrea please put your comments on the bug(s) if you have a preferred solution. 23:03 pianohacker #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 23:03 huginn 04Bug 13618: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 23:03 pianohacker #info the above is preventing progress on the following bugs; please comment with any ideas 23:03 pianohacker #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14691 23:03 huginn 04Bug 14691: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Can't delete patron with ' character in cardnumber 23:04 pianohacker #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14505 23:04 huginn 04Bug 14505: normal, P5 - low, ---, j.kylmala, Needs Signoff , single quotes in journal number cause print routing list window to not appear 23:04 wizzyrea that concludes my concerns I think. 23:04 pianohacker all righty. 23:04 pianohacker #topic GBSD 23:04 rangi its pretty vitally important, more important than pretty much everything else that we get that bug 13618 into 3.22 23:04 wizzyrea yeah, that bug I'd really like to see tested. 23:05 wizzyrea it will solve and prevent so many future problems. 23:05 pianohacker rangi: worth marking it as a blocker? 23:05 rangi its a blocker to not being hacked yes 23:05 pianohacker :) well yes 23:05 cait it needs testing i think 23:05 wizzyrea all the testing. so much testing 23:05 wizzyrea it will break lots of things 23:05 cait maybe smeting for a dedicated sandbox/gbsd? 23:05 wizzyrea there is still time to fix most of them though 23:05 pianohacker I'd say that's an excellent segue into the GBSD 23:06 wizzyrea #info Bug 13618 would be a great one for global bug squashing day, it is vitally important 23:06 pianohacker #info Reminder, there is a Global Bug Squashing Day on Thursday, September 3 23:06 pianohacker #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2015-09-03_Global_bug_squashing_day 23:06 pianohacker #info Please add any bugs/topics of interest to that page 23:07 cait thx pianohacker++ 23:08 cait ... and also. please everyone test the new professional cataloguing editor 23:08 pianohacker please! 23:08 pianohacker I'm going to be fixing the most recent set of feedback ASAP, things have been crazy here at bws 23:08 cait we already got some nice feedback there - but need a little more 23:09 wizzyrea I think you really want librarians looking at it eh 23:09 pianohacker #action pianohacker to post google doc to allow per-test-plan-item feedback for Rancor (bug 11559) 23:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Professional cataloger's interface 23:09 wizzyrea do you have a test instance set up that we can point librarians at? 23:09 cait wizzyrea: there is a demo installation for everyone to poke :) 23:09 wizzyrea excellent 23:09 pianohacker yup, it's on the bug and the end of the GBSD page 23:09 wizzyrea sweet 23:10 pianohacker http://staff-bz11559.bwsdev.bywatersolutions.com/ (login bywater / bywater) 23:10 pianohacker test it test it test iiiiiit 23:10 pianohacker ^ channelling bag since he's gone 23:11 pianohacker I think that's it. Tomas posted in part 1 that he'd post on koha-devel to figure out the time of the next meeting 23:11 pianohacker anything I've forgotten? 23:12 wizzyrea naw 23:13 pianohacker givin' til :15 23:16 pianohacker #endmeeting 23:16 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 26 23:16:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 23:16 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_2.2015-08-26-21.34.html 23:16 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_2.2015-08-26-21.34.txt 23:16 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2015___part_2.2015-08-26-21.34.log.html 23:16 pianohacker thanks all! 23:27 pianohacker wizzyrea++ 23:59 pianohacker bye all