Time Nick Message 23:58 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/70727559/thousands-of-years-history-kept-in-wellington-archives 22:42 cait yeah :) 22:42 wizzyrea don't dig too deep, you might get lost in there. 22:42 wizzyrea :) 22:42 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 22:42 cait night all 22:42 cait :) 22:42 cait i should not ask and just go to bed 22:41 cait hm but we do have a label permission... 22:41 wizzyrea with quite good success, I think. 22:41 wizzyrea or that's what I was doing yesterday evening. 22:41 wizzyrea to do stuff. 22:41 wizzyrea yeah, I'm poking around in the labels interface, removing the necessity of a billion clicks. 22:40 eythian "tools" is a dumping ground for all manner of crap that could probably be better organised. 22:35 wizzyrea its* 22:35 wizzyrea lulz, labels is a "tool" but it's permission is for "catalogue" 22:25 eythian oh, there was a meeting. I totally didn't know. 22:23 Francesca hi eythian 22:23 wahanui hi, eythian 22:23 eythian hi 22:16 drojf good night #koha 21:59 Francesca I can tell 21:55 wizzyrea ah alright, busy busy 21:54 Francesca how goes it? 21:54 wizzyrea hi Francesca 21:54 * Francesca waves at wizzyrea 21:53 wizzyrea My concern is what work comes out of it. I worry that it won't be very forward thinking, and will lead to "implement this like horizon did it" - that's the nicest way I can say that I think. 21:44 thd bag: I merely meant that a vendor dominated committee may spend funding more wisely than a librarian dominated one. However, the appearance will still be a problem. 21:42 wizzyrea for that. 21:42 wizzyrea ...for the record I am not in favour of a vote. 21:41 bag but wizzyrea it’s awesome so far - so thanks much 21:41 bag perhaps wizzyrea we can have something for people to vote on next meeting 21:41 wizzyrea ok great because I was winging it and it's not my thing :P 21:40 bag we can talk and figure out what’s best for language 21:40 bag wizzyrea: I’ll catch up with you 21:40 bag I’ve got to run 21:40 bag I don’t understand you thd 21:39 thd bag: For which was huh? 21:39 bag huh 21:38 wizzyrea that seems convoluted. 21:38 thd bag: Please understand that if I had money to give to Koha generally giving it too a group largely consisting of Koha vendors would probably best ensure that it would be spent wisely and frugally. However, such an arrangement is obviously problematic. 21:38 wizzyrea O.o 21:38 drojf wizzyrea: i will send an email to bag telling him what to tell THT to generate a code that they will probably send back to bag and he can send it to you. i think ;) 21:38 wizzyrea also I'm sorry I missed the section on that because I have opinions, and I feel like I need something to link to that explains wtf the money goes for. 21:37 wizzyrea what needs doing there 21:37 wizzyrea oh yes someone tell me 21:37 cait i forgot the action about the button 21:35 drojf :P 21:35 drojf i hope someone took notes of all the stuff i have to send tomorrow :O 21:33 cait thx everyone for attending 21:33 mtompset cait++ 21:33 drojf cait++ 21:33 bag thanks cait! 21:33 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_5_august_2015.2015-08-05-20.03.log.html 21:33 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_5_august_2015.2015-08-05-20.03.txt 21:33 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_5_august_2015.2015-08-05-20.03.html 21:33 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 5 21:33:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:33 cait #endmeeting 21:32 cait #agreed 9 September, 10 UTC 21:31 thd drojf: Sorry, I only have anecdotal information about the range of academic calendars in the US running from times starting in late August to mid September. 21:31 mtompset September 8 is firstday of school, so people will be back from holidays, drojf. 21:31 mtompset http://www.ocdsb.ca/calendar/Pages/Proposed-calendar---2015-2016.aspx 21:31 cait don't make me start the votebot again 21:30 cait ok, so 10 UTC on september 9? 21:30 drojf citation needed 21:29 thd drojf: Yes, however, many academic calendars widely used would encourage a later rather than earlier time in the month 21:29 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on August 06, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). 21:29 Francesca @wunder wlg 21:29 wahanui it has been said that 10UTC is what we've decided = 18UTC (today) -8 21:29 schnydszch 10UTC? 21:29 schnydszch 22:00+0000 is what time in the phils? 21:28 thd 10 UTC 21:28 drojf aren#t there always holidays somewhere? 21:28 cait drojf: you know it's your job to tell me the time of the next meeting :) 21:28 thd Also a specific request from one candidate should be given attention. 21:28 rangi what holidays 21:28 wahanui which time is probably better for my area? 10:00+0000 or 22:00+0000? 21:28 cait drojf: which time? 21:27 cait ok 21:27 thd I think that concluding a vote a week from 9 would be better for having people back from holidays etc. 21:27 cait hm i thought we had agreed to stick to the first week 21:27 schnydszch sept 9 please 21:26 drojf (you can still have a meeting then) 21:26 drojf me 21:26 drojf i think 9 does not work for m 21:25 thd 9 Sep. 21:25 cait first wednesday? that would be the 2nd 21:25 cait early september? 21:25 cait #topic Agree on date for next meeting 21:24 cait #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_july_2015.2015-07-08-10.00.html 21:24 cait and i will send the promised email soon 21:24 cait khall volunteered to run a virtual bootcamp during GBSD (will remind him :) ) 21:24 cait #topic Actions from last meeting 21:23 cait moving on? 21:23 cait i will probably weed the links above a bit to make the page a bit more compact 21:22 cait please add yourself there if you plan to contribute something to the event! 21:22 cait there is a new section on the page "Specials for this GBSD" 21:22 cait or help testing features they developed... whatever you can think of 21:22 cait i want to ask for ideas, wish list item etc. and aso for people to host tutorials 21:22 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2015-09-03_Global_bug_squashing_day 21:21 cait there isa first draft of a wiki page available 21:21 cait i hope to get to that this week 21:21 cait the plan is sitll on - i haven't send an email yt 21:21 cait #topic GBSD 21:21 thd rangi++ 21:21 cait #info Discussion about Paid support providers list to be postponed - please add to the RFC if you want things to move 21:20 cait but nothing has been communicated 21:20 cait i think we got some more company pages in the wiki now 21:20 rangi postpone for ever as far as im concerned 21:20 rangi everyone has opinions, no one wants to do anything 21:20 drojf +1 21:20 cait i'd like to postpone this topic as this meeting is a bit long already 21:19 wizzyrea heh 21:19 cait but sadly, it#s empty 21:19 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Paid_support_providers_list_RFC 21:19 cait and a helpful soul set up a wiki page for proposed changes/solutions: 21:19 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 21:19 cait i tihnkwe had agreed to have more discussion during this meeting 21:19 cait #topic Support vendor listing 21:19 cait ok 21:18 bag if there are no more questions - I think we can move on 21:18 cait anything that should go in th eminutes? 21:18 cait ok 21:18 bag that’s really it from me cait 21:18 bag back 21:18 bag bbias 21:17 bag also an update. I think we are finally almost past the legal stuff - where we finally get to have some fun and move forward with fund raising 21:17 drojf so many things to send tomorrow heh 21:17 bag #info and any suggestion to the committee on how to make it so more librarians are interested in joining :) 21:16 drojf i will send you an email tomorrow 21:16 bag cool drojf can you send me information. THT has control of the bank account - so I’ll talk to them 21:16 cait #info We are looking for more volunteers for the fundraising committee 21:16 thd The problem may be in the US a need for a US based funding organisation which is an issue which I had lost time to address for IRS non-profit status. 21:15 bag I think we need suggestions too cait… 21:15 cait and then ask them of course 21:15 drojf looks like someone with access to the account has to do it, but its possible 21:15 drojf "You can build your own Button Text Links from scratch or take advantage of the Online Button Creator within your PayPal Account.  After generating the button code online, select the "Email" tab to view the Text Link Code." 21:15 Francesca ohh cookies and chocolate 21:15 cait mybe indeed we could ask people to also suggest someone they think would be a good fit...? 21:14 bag I’ll send cookies and chocoloate 21:14 bag please :D 21:14 bag can you do that ? 21:14 bag do you have a suggestion for recruiting some of the librarians? 21:14 cait yeah.. but i think that's the point of asking for more members :) 21:14 bag thd agreed - hence we need more volunteers - they just aren’t coming 21:14 thd bag: Certainly, however, the appearance would be better if more librarians would be involved. 21:13 Francesca *morning 21:13 Francesca good moning 21:13 bag and thd if the committee once those rules are set - decides to hire a third party - let’s say equinox to do some sign-off/testing - then only those who work for equinox should remove themselves 21:12 cait #info committee to meet soon again 21:12 thd bag: As long as the issue is recognised and corrected in due course if it could not be corrected in advance to give more confidence. 21:12 cait #info donate button was added to the kc website (scroll down) 21:11 bag thd: the committee established so far is only to bring money into the fund - not spend it 21:11 drojf ok i will have a look 21:11 bag drojf: provide the code and we can 21:10 drojf can we have a non-paypal-servery button? 21:10 bag ah there you go drojf - that’s why 21:10 cait i mean ... at the top 21:10 cait but i don't know hwer to put it nicely 21:10 thd bag: There is still a basic problem that most everyone currently on the committee should by the conflict of interest rules recuse themselves in many circumstances leaving no quorum. 21:10 drojf :P 21:10 drojf no i do not allow third party stuff like loading things from paypal 21:10 bag s/backup/backing up 21:09 bag heh 21:09 bag thanks for backup my point drojf :D 21:09 mtompset you may need to scroll. 21:09 cait scroll down 21:09 wahanui bottom right is bridgton in maine 21:09 mtompset bottom right. 21:09 drojf i don't see anything 21:09 cait #link http://koha-community.org/ 21:08 bag Establish rules for grants/invoicing committee 21:08 bag More volunteers needed on committee 21:08 bag Donate button added to main page of koha-community.org (In my opinion (will bring to the committee and the mailing list) too low on page - should be up top and not causing people to have to "search" for it) 21:08 bag Another committee meeting coming soon (talk about raising money, grants, and next steps) 21:08 bag here’s an update (few lines pasted in) 21:08 cait thx 21:08 bag thanks 21:08 bag cait++ 21:08 bag Cool - ok I’m taking over again cait 21:07 cait #agreed Paul Poulain was elected to join the Fundraising committee 21:07 huginn Voted on "Are we ok with Paul Poulain joining the fundraising committee?" Results are 21:07 cait #endvote 21:06 schnydszch for Paul Poulain 21:06 ikourmou #vote yes 21:06 thd #vote yes 21:06 schnydszch #vote yes 21:06 cait we already elected the other people 21:06 bag (not voting since I am on committee) 21:06 mtompset #vote yes 21:06 cait to get things tidied up 21:06 cait yes 21:06 mtompset Okay, so we are just voting on Paul, because he was added after vote? 21:06 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 21:06 huginn Begin voting on: Are we ok with Paul Poulain joining the fundraising committee? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 21:06 cait #startvote Are we ok with Paul Poulain joining the fundraising committee? 21:05 bag and then vote on Paul_P acceptance 21:05 bag gmcharlt, BobB, bag, Romana 21:05 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 21:05 mtompset Can we recap who is on the committee? 21:04 bag I’ll answer questions 21:04 bag cait can you handle the vote process? 21:04 bag we want to vote on if that is ok with everyone for him to join the committee 21:04 bag So we voted in the general meeting and then afterwards paul_p added his name to the committee 21:04 bag topic is Voting on additional candidates (see Fundraising) for the Fund Raising Committee. 21:03 bag first a vote 21:03 bag Next steps in Fundraising 21:03 bag ok 21:03 * cait hands the hat to bag 21:03 cait #topic Fundraising 21:02 bag yup move on 21:01 cait moving on? 21:01 cait ok, i think we got it all? 21:01 cait #agreed the vote will ask for name and email 21:01 huginn Voted on "Shall the details being asked for be name and email address?" Results are 21:01 cait #endvote 21:01 cait #info votes are submitted secret except to those conducting the poll 21:00 drojf thd: yes 21:00 cait thd: yes i think so 21:00 thd #vote yes 21:00 mtompset #vote yes 21:00 thd The understanding is still that the votes submitted are secret except to those conducting the poll. 21:00 drojf #vote yes 21:00 rangi #vote yes 21:00 cait pf. 21:00 cait #vote yes 21:00 rangi you just voted wrong again :) 21:00 drojf lol 20:59 rangi no you arent 20:59 cait #yes 20:59 cait i am getting the hang of that vote thing *tortures you all* 20:59 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:59 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the details being asked for be name and email address? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:59 cait #startvote Shall the details being asked for be name and email address? 20:59 thd :) 20:59 drojf thd: i'm too shy ;) 20:59 thd drojf: You should always vote for yourself if you are not excluded by some rule. 20:58 cait #agreed We are going to let drojf set up the vote :) 20:58 drojf no cookie for huginn 20:58 huginn Voted on "Shall we let drojf set up the vote?" Results are 20:58 cait #endvote 20:58 cait #vote yes 20:58 mtompset #vote yes 20:57 ikourmou #vote yes 20:57 drojf #vote abstain ;) 20:57 thd #vote yes 20:57 cait i'd add a ! but the vote thing won't like it 20:57 bag #vote yes 20:57 rangi #vote yes 20:57 cait #yes 20:57 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:57 huginn Begin voting on: Shall we let drojf set up the vote? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:57 cait #startvote Shall we let drojf set up the vote? 20:57 bag for help that is :) 20:57 bag drojf: you can ask nengard - she’s done it before 20:57 huginn Unable to parse vote topic and options. 20:57 cait #startvote Shall we let drojf set up the vote= 20:56 drojf well, if that limesurvey still exists. lol not used that in ages 20:56 rangi sounds good 20:56 drojf and would probably nominate one or two people to have a look 20:56 rangi if you have time, that would be great drojf 20:56 drojf i can set something up if nobody wants to 20:55 rangi it's pretty easy to spot when that happens 20:55 cait and is someone volunteering to set up the tool for voting? 20:55 rangi most people are pretty good about it, we've only had one occasion in 8 years where people with no interest in koha were mobilised to vote 20:55 cait ok, can we agree on the voting procedure? email and name? 20:54 ikourmou got it. 20:53 drojf ikourmou: we will announce it to the koha mailing lists, but it is not restricted to that 20:53 cait ikourmou: every individual person has a vote 20:53 thd Actually, venue is probably best understood as part of the location column. 20:53 wahanui somebody said everyone was doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver 20:53 rangi everyone 20:53 ikourmou drojf: ok, and by "everyone" you mean? 20:53 rangi yeah thats about all 20:53 cait sounds good to me 20:53 drojf and a name 20:52 drojf i dont know. i asked for an email address when i did it 20:52 thd cait: You identified a reason for a more detailed proposal linked from the simple wiki table. However, a column for venue could be added. 20:52 cait what information did we require last time? 20:51 drojf ikourmou: someone will set up a website to vote. i did a limesurvey once for a vote, i think we had other systems too. it will be open for a week, everyone can vote 20:50 cait or maybe still misunderstanding 20:49 cait i didn't understand the difference until now i think 20:49 cait schnydszch: because it states as hosting organisation, so it looks like they organize it 20:49 cait ikourmou: good question 20:48 cait just to avoid confusion 20:48 cait schnydszch: maybe you can update the wiki page that it will not be national library? 20:48 ikourmou could someone please give a short explanation on the voting procedure? 20:47 thd cait: add Philippines to your note 20:46 cait schnydszch: yes, we will set the exact date at the end of this meeting 20:46 thd Yes, starting from the next general IRC meeting date. 20:46 cait #info venue will probably move from the national library to elsewhere - wiki page to be updated 20:46 drojf yes 20:46 schnydszch so voting will be this september right? 20:46 thd I suggest adding that the proposal from the Philippines is changing venues in the midst of changing venue and other details. 20:45 schnydszch i mean a website 20:45 schnydszch Yes and also bugging some people for the official site 20:44 cait hm what should i add to the minutes? 20:44 thd Please update the wiki when you have a new venue etc. 20:43 schnydszch I'm also bugging other people on this, since I'm elsewhere 20:43 schnydszch we really wanted to involve the National Library in this since they're the biggest koha user in the Phils. 20:43 mtompset I'll bug Manny about it. 20:42 schnydszch And it seems we can't contact NLP, so other koha people in the Philippines have to step up regarding our bid 20:42 schnydszch So we will find a venue elsewhere 20:42 schnydszch Yes the initial plan of holding it in the National Library of the Philippines seems not possible 20:41 cait schnydszch: do you want to say something about your kohacon proposal? 20:40 cait #info 8 yes, 0 no 20:40 schnydszch and was able to connect 20:40 schnydszch I tried this lunch Rome time 20:40 drojf i see 8 yes 20:40 cait #agreed The time to add bids for KohaCon will end in a week from now, drojf is going to send an email 20:40 schnydszch yes I can't connect to IRC since lastg week 20:40 cait hm it hangs 20:40 huginn Voted on "Shall we close the bidding in one week from now?" Results are 20:40 cait #endvote 20:39 mtompset Ah, we have a Philippine proposal person: schnydszch (Eugene Espinoza) 20:39 cait ready? 20:39 bag #vote yes 20:39 pianohacker #vote yes 20:39 mtompset #vote yes 20:39 schnydszch #infoEugene Espinoza philippines 20:39 cait #vote yes 20:39 thd #vote yes 20:39 ikourmou #vote yes 20:39 cait #action drojf to send out an email abou the end of the bidding process after the meeting 20:39 drojf #vote yes 20:39 rangi #vote yes 20:38 rangi thats fine 20:38 rangi thanks 20:38 drojf but probably tomorrow morning 20:38 rangi drojf++ 20:38 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:38 huginn Begin voting on: Shall we close the bidding in one week from now? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:38 cait #startvote Shall we close the bidding in one week from now? 20:38 drojf i can do that 20:38 rangi with all the dates in it? 20:38 thd drojf++ 20:38 rangi who is willing to send out an email after this meeting 20:38 drojf if you want to host it, you don't need a lot of reminders ;) 20:38 rangi there have been 3 in total 20:38 rangi yup 20:38 drojf i sent a reminder not too long ago, and i think at least one before that 20:37 thd We have had more reminders encouraging candidates in the past but no problems of lack of candidates on this occasion. 20:37 rangi hehe 20:37 drojf or you are just that awesome ;) 20:37 cait #info yes (7): cait, mtompset, bag, thd, drojf, rangi, ikourmou 20:37 rangi if you leave it to the last week .. well, you probably arent the best organiser ;) 20:37 cait sorry, forgot to end 20:36 huginn yes (7): cait, mtompset, bag, thd, drojf, rangi, ikourmou 20:36 huginn Voted on "Shall the vote be open for one week?" Results are 20:36 cait #endvote 20:36 drojf yup 20:36 rangi its been open for 6 months 20:36 rangi yeah, exactly 20:36 mtompset when is the september meeting? 20:36 bag I feel like we’ve asked for canidates for a few months now 20:36 rangi ok by me 20:36 drojf no need to wait really 20:36 cait good for me 20:36 drojf a week from now? 20:36 wahanui 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. 20:36 cait or 2 weeks? 20:36 rangi so that the voting site can be set up 20:36 drojf bag: i think doing that without announcement is not the best option 20:36 cait how about 1 week before the meeting? 20:36 cait ok, now we can agree on when to close the time for bidding 20:35 rangi bids will need to close before that 20:35 cait #agreed The vote will be open for 1 week before closed 20:35 rangi nope we didnt thd, we agreed we will start voting then 20:35 drojf or maybe i got confused :) 20:35 drojf thd: i think we agreed that we start voting then, not the other thing 20:35 ikourmou #vote yes 20:35 bag #vote yes 20:35 thd #vote yes 20:35 cait #vote yes 20:35 thd drojf: Did we not just now agree to close bidding from the next meeting? 20:35 rangi #vote yes 20:35 drojf #vote yes 20:35 mtompset #vote yes 20:35 cait yes 20:35 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:35 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the vote be open for one week? Valid vote options are yes, no. 20:35 bag yes 20:35 cait #startvote Shall the vote be open for one week? yes,no 20:34 mtompset yes 20:34 bag I’d say the deadline is now - but of course anyone can object 20:34 cait #vote Shall the vote be open for one week? yes,no 20:34 mtompset 1 week. 20:34 cait ok 20:34 bag 1 week 20:34 rangi cait: 1 week seems long enough for me 20:34 cait thd: i just thought i'd keep it a bit ismpler this time 20:34 drojf and deadline for bidding? 20:33 thd Is automated vote recording not functioning? 20:33 cait how long? 1 week or 2? 20:33 cait #agreed The voting on the bids will beginn with the date of the september general meeting 20:32 drojf +1 20:32 mtompset +1 20:32 rangi +1 20:32 cait +1 form me too 20:32 bag yes +1 (agreed) 20:32 cait start the online vote at the september meeting? 20:32 drojf until when do we accept new bids? right before that? 20:32 cait so can we agree on that? 20:32 cait ah ok 20:32 drojf works for me 20:31 rangi online voting for a week after that 20:31 thd rangi: Would we not have a community wide vote? 20:31 rangi i think thats a good time to start it 20:31 cait we did online votes in the past 20:31 drojf we vote at the meeting? 20:31 rangi when we decide that at the end of this meeting :) 20:31 drojf so we should decide now a) when no new bids are accepted b) when we vote 20:30 rangi it'll be the date of the meeting in september 20:30 drojf or we already did, but i did not find a date. just "september" 20:30 drojf we will decide that in a minute i guess 20:29 mtompset When will the vote be? 20:29 drojf would be good to know how that works out before we vote 20:29 drojf there was an issue with the location i think 20:29 mtompset Sadly, no... it's 4:30am there. 20:29 drojf apart from facebook friends? :P 20:29 cait oh yes, sorry 20:29 drojf someone from the philippines around to tell something? 20:28 cait ok, the next thing on the agenda was setting a date to start the vote? 20:27 drojf awesome, good luck 20:27 cait oh soon, good luck! 20:27 ikourmou my university library is pallning to go live on the 2nd week of september 20:27 thd Just to remind people, in the past the first column usually had a link in the past to a more detailed proposal than could be accommodated in a simple wiki table. 20:27 cait exciting 20:26 drojf nice 20:26 mtompset drojf: One is my colleague. :P 20:26 ikourmou and another university in Thessaloniki just began 20:26 cait ikourmou: cool - when will you go live? 20:26 bag excellent ikourmou (best of skills to you) 20:26 drojf mtompset: because you are friends with them on facebook? :) 20:26 ikourmou we are in the proccess of migration to koha 20:25 rangi ikourmou: that is perfect 20:25 cait great 20:25 ikourmou I will add this info (contact email, proposed schedule format) and some background info 20:25 mtompset ^big^bid^ 20:25 mtompset The Philippine big is definitely valid. 20:25 thd Nevermind :) 20:25 mtompset I talk with one of them regularly too. :) 20:25 thd Ok, I recognise that the stopped communicating and entry from a third party were the most problematic elements. 20:25 mtompset 3 out of the 4 people listed in the Philippine proposal are friends of mine on Facebook. ;) 20:24 cait i believe both bids in this case are valid 20:24 rangi exactly 20:24 cait i think the stopped communicating might have been the bit - we also had the case wher esomoene else had entered information from an email to the mailing list as bid 20:24 rangi naw, that was when someone else entered that persons details in 20:24 drojf there are a lot of links already 20:24 drojf thd: have you looked at the wiki page? 20:23 thd We previously disqualified a prospective host and held no vote when one prospective host entered brief details in the wiki but did not link to anything more detailed and then stopped communicating. 20:23 rangi basically, unless you are planning to change the format of 3, 1, 3 to something else, venue, and dates are the main thing 20:23 cait i think one nice addition would maybe be a contact email address - but that's about the only thing i am missing 20:23 drojf mtompset: with blanks all along? because there is no call for papers before the vote 20:23 rangi naw, you dont do anything like that until after 20:22 cait ? 20:22 mtompset A proposed weekly schedule? 20:22 thd Maybe I should state the issue differently. 20:22 bag thd you thinking of code4lib or something? 20:22 drojf and ikourmou just said they will put up some more info 20:21 cait both bids are pretty detailed already 20:21 * thd looks for an example from previous years. 20:21 cait thd: did you see the link to the wiki page? 20:21 rangi proposed dates, proposed venue, .. it doesnt need much more info than that 20:21 ikourmou what info should it contain? 20:21 mtompset What sort of details are required? I'll nudge the Philippine proposal folks. :) 20:21 bag hmm don’t know what you’re talking about thd 20:20 thd What about a more detailed proposal which has traditionally been expected of candidate venues? 20:20 ikourmou we can host the next kohacon on may or june 20:19 ikourmou we will soon have a dedicated page containing info about the city (Thessaloniki), the university etc 20:19 thd Which respective page? 20:19 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon16_Proposals 20:19 ikourmou our proposal appears in the respective page 20:18 ikourmou ok. 20:18 cait ikourmou: would you like to say something about your plans/proposal? 20:18 cait #topic KohaCon16 20:18 cait ok,... now 20:17 bag excellent news 20:17 cait rangi++ 20:17 drojf :) 20:17 rangi thats all the kohacon15 news i have 20:17 rangi i am going 20:17 cait moving on i think 20:17 cait ok 20:16 rangi doesnt look like it 20:16 cait someone around? 20:16 cait #topic KohaCon15 20:16 mtompset That's why I was delayed paying attention. ;) 20:16 cait ok, moving on ... 20:15 cait as always... please test and sign-off on patches! 20:15 cait but not a lot that is easy to test :) 20:15 cait there is some interesting stuff in the qa queue 20:14 cait i think similar for 3.22 and 3.18 :) 20:14 rangi 3.20.3 is on track, nothing special to report 20:14 drojf it is not allowed to make the list longer while the meeting is already running :P 20:14 cait could you give an update on 3.20? 20:13 cait morning rangi 20:13 rangi #info chris cormack, catalyst, NZ 20:13 cait some additions have been made 20:13 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 20:13 cait btw, please all refresh the agenda 20:13 thd My friend is accused of having too nice a private library for his apartment. 20:13 cait #topic Update on releases 3.18 - 3.20 20:12 cait moving on :) 20:12 cait thx thd 20:12 thd When the ordeal is over I will resume my interrupted work on migrating databases etc. for the wiki. 20:12 pianohacker cool :) 20:11 thd I have been helping a friend avoid eviction for the past two months and for the next month. 20:11 thd I missed the opening of some recent meetings to announce the following. 20:11 cait hm? 20:10 thd wait 20:10 thd I missed the opening of some 20:10 cait ok, moving on :) 20:10 cait #link http://bywatersolutions.com/tag/nakug15/ 20:10 cait i will do it 20:10 pianohacker can I #link it? 20:10 pianohacker sorry, took a bit to find 20:10 pianohacker http://bywatersolutions.com/tag/nakug15/ 20:09 cait *waits* 20:08 pianohacker cait: one sec 20:08 cait some other announcement? 20:08 cait i will have to read the blog posts later then 20:08 cait ah wrong time i guess 20:08 pianohacker I think most everyone at Koha NA is out of channel 20:07 cait someone from KohaNa maybe? 20:07 cait #topic Announcements 20:07 cait slowly moving on then :) 20:06 barton cait++ 20:06 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_August_2015 20:06 barton can somebody post the link to the meeting itinerary? please? :-) 20:06 bag HA 20:06 cait bag: try not to fall apart :) 20:06 talljoy #info joy nelson bywater 20:06 bag I’m getting pulled in other directions so I maybe in and out (sorry) 20:05 bag #info brendan gallagher bywater 20:05 drojf nope 20:05 cait oh 20:05 cait wnickc: #info? :) 20:05 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY, USA 20:05 cait i will give a little bit more time for people to show up 20:04 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York - Busy helping a friend avoid eviction for having too wonderful a private library 20:04 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_August_2015 20:04 drojf small meeting this time 20:04 cait I think we forgot again to send a reminder about th emeeting... :) 20:04 ikourmou #info Giannis Kourmoulis, A.U.Th. Greece 20:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:03 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto , ByWater Solutions , USA 20:03 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 20:03 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions 20:03 cait please follow wahanui's example and introduce yourself with #info 20:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 20:03 cait #topic introductions 20:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_5_august_2015' 20:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 5 20:03:16 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 5 August 2015 20:03 JesseM Hi ;P 20:02 ikourmou hi Jesse. yes, i remembered your nick 20:02 cait ok, let's get this started, one sec 20:02 cait me too 20:02 cait yay :) 20:01 ikourmou hi Katrin, of course i remember you 20:01 pianohacker ikourmou: sweet! I'm Jesse, I was the young American 20:01 * cait tries to wake up people 20:01 cait rangi is on the bus, he says 10 min 20:01 cait cait = Katrin 20:01 ikourmou not this year's though. it was the 2014 20:00 pianohacker ikourmou: were you there in 2014? 20:00 cait i think we have met then :) 19:59 ikourmou yes 19:59 cait have you been to the hackfest in marseille by chance? 19:59 ikourmou ok! 19:59 ikourmou :-) 19:58 drojf ikourmou: i am mirko by the way :) 19:58 cait e 19:58 cait i was hoping you might be from greece - from the nicknam 19:58 cait very exciting :) 19:58 ikourmou first time on an irc meeting, Mirko invited me so that i could talk about our kohacon proposal 19:57 cait ok, 3 minutes :) 19:56 drojf thanks for joining in from your vacation :) 19:56 drojf oh, ok 19:55 ikourmou I'm on vacation (southern Crete) and my connection is through a wifi hotspot... 19:55 pianohacker hallo 19:54 drojf ikourmou: the webchat thing is a bit unstable i think 19:54 ikourmou hi there. i seem to have some problems with my connection 19:53 cait hi ikourmou :) 19:52 cait cool idea with the redirect 19:52 drojf now ikourmou_ left us :/ 19:52 cait could be a short one if it's only us :) 19:52 drojf yep 19:50 cait irc meeting in 10? 19:36 pianohacker m'excellent 19:36 drojf if you can come to an arrangement with the ever-growing raspberry there is room for one more ;) 19:32 pianohacker *sigh* jealous, it's been a crazy day and I'd happily join you 19:32 drojf its almost dark here and i am sitting on my balcony with a bottle of cidre, don't listen to me 19:32 pianohacker gotcha, though, thanks :) 19:32 pianohacker hey, this is an international open source project, we're _all_ supposed to be confused 19:32 drojf for general, but it was not too long ago i think 19:31 drojf :D 19:31 drojf stop confusing me 19:31 pianohacker *blink* for general, or dev meetings? 19:31 drojf you missed that we abandoned split meetings a few months ago? 19:30 pianohacker oh gosh, I missed the morning meeting, didn't I? 19:29 drojf *need to 19:29 drojf now we only need elect a "next general irc meeting redirect page update manager" 19:29 drojf my community contribution for today is this shiny new wiki page ;) http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_General_IRC_meeting 19:25 mtompset Oh, there's a system preference for that. 19:24 mtompset Where are course reserves in 3.20? 19:21 ikourmou_ tcochen: thanks! 19:21 * tcohen crawls back home to recover from the flu 19:21 tcohen bye #koha 19:19 wahanui Welcome to zombo.com 19:19 tcohen ikourmou_: welcome! 19:18 drojf thanks for joining us btw 19:18 tcohen mtompset: thanks 19:17 drojf ikourmou_ i can see you twice ;) 19:13 pianohacker *best first step 19:12 pianohacker ConanTheLibrari: while we're happy to help, the manual is often the best step if you're looking for instructions rather than troubleshooting :) 19:12 ConanTheLibrari pianohacker - checking now, thanks! 19:11 drojf hi ikourmou 19:10 pianohacker ConanTheLibrari: Hi! Have you checked the manual, as a first step? (not super familiar with labels) 19:10 ikourmou hello there 19:10 pianohacker hi ikourmou 19:10 ikourmou test 19:07 ConanTheLibrari am I missing something in the wiki? 19:07 mtompset Signed off. :) 19:07 ConanTheLibrari I'm a newbie with Koha and I'm wondering how to print / setup barcode labels? 19:01 tcohen if it is not needed, it doesn't hurt either I guess 19:00 tcohen git grep MetadataRecord 19:00 tcohen merging, in general 19:00 tcohen I think is used in the merge authorities code 18:59 mtompset I just did a pull before I started this. 18:59 mtompset Metadata is not used. 18:59 tcohen just to make sure is 100% backwards compatible 18:59 tcohen e 18:59 tcohen because that class is used ther 18:59 mtompset tcohen: Why "prove t/Koha_Util_MARC.t"? 18:57 mtompset Haven't had time to read all the code. 18:57 tcohen mtompset: do u understand that 'options' might not be necessary anymore as each record carries the relevant information? 18:46 tcohen we will still have Z fr a while, so we should learn to love it 18:46 mtompset One more time, and it would appear and kill us all. :P 18:45 tcohen :-P 18:45 tcohen the first one i introduced a typo on purpose 18:45 tcohen only one time 18:45 mtompset Nooooo.... you said the Z-word! :P 18:45 tcohen and it turned out that if I run rebuild_zebra.pl manually, with -x it works 18:44 tcohen i had issues rebuilding zerba indexes for authorities on one instance 18:43 mtompset :) 18:43 mtompset oh my gmcharlt? 18:43 tcohen i cannot name him in vain 18:42 mtompset oh my? 18:42 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:42 tcohen @later tell gmcharlt I updated the bug, please let me know if the tests are what you had in mind. I like them and the solution makes real sense 18:40 tcohen oh my 18:38 tcohen mtompset: if we were to do that kind of check on OO code in the Koha codebase, we could even hook it rewriting some Perl bits in runtime so we don't write that on all the files 18:37 mtompset But, yes, an enhancement for later. 18:36 mtompset checking that $self is the right class is a reasonable sanity check. :P 18:36 tcohen hehehe 18:36 pianohacker There's sanity checking and there's knowing Perl OOP :) 18:35 pianohacker mtompset: that's a universal issue, and not one that I think we should feel responsible for 18:35 mtompset I'll sign the bug off, but that extra check would be nice to prevent stupid coder mistakes. 18:35 tcohen once we have this pushed, fill all the bugs you want to enhance it 18:35 mtompset but some newbie programmer might blah::new 18:34 mtompset Koha::MetadataRecord is an object and should be called blah->new 18:34 tcohen no, don't bomb the bug, just sign it! 18:34 tcohen what? 18:33 mtompset blah::new vs. blah->new 18:33 mtompset Include error checking for incorrect call format. 18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Extend Koha::MetadataRecord to handle serialization format 18:33 mtompset Oh... tcohen I have a suggestion regarding bug 14639 18:33 mtompset Which makes sense, I suppose. 18:33 tcohen that carry more information about themselves 18:32 tcohen we will now pass Koha::MetadataRecord objects 18:32 tcohen mtompset: my plan is that instead of passing just MARC::Record objects (or XML::LibXML::Document, or JSON) 18:32 tcohen i know 18:32 mtompset The variable names are confusing. :P 18:31 mtompset Perhaps options. 18:31 mtompset params. 18:31 tcohen mtompset: filter? wasn't it about the options? 18:28 mtompset Both are needed for ultimate flexibility. 18:28 mtompset My solution was to fix the string/object issue in the initialize call area. 18:28 mtompset Your solution was to add filter as a second parameter. 18:27 mtompset Recall our discussion about how to fix up Koha::RecordProcessor? 18:27 mtompset Which reminds me... I should bug report that... 18:25 tcohen i didn't finish making the Koha::RecordProcessor changes to make it handle Koha::MetadataRecord object properly, but i'm almost done 18:25 huginn mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 47 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> (as well as various interpretations, each of which individually is sensible, but collectively are too inconsistent to bear) 18:25 mtompset @seen gmcharlt 18:25 mtompset I'm noting the needs sign offs is gone almost to 200. 18:25 mtompset Ah. 18:24 tcohen my CC was so you test and sign :-D and we have the tech 18:24 mtompset tech/structures/objects/schemas. 18:24 tcohen what underllying tech? 18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 major, P3, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility 18:24 tcohen bug 11592 18:23 mtompset I noticed the CC on the bug... I figured that means, I just don't attempt anything on 11592 until the underlying tech stops moving on me. :P 18:23 tcohen hi mtompset 18:23 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 45 minutes and 58 seconds ago: <tcohen> hi 18:23 mtompset @seen tcohen 18:22 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:06 huginn indradg: The operation succeeded. 18:06 indradg @later tell khall was wondering if the KohaNA 2015 sessions were being recorded/podcasted/transcripted now or anytime later? 18:04 pianohacker oh hahaha okay :) 18:04 indradg pianohacker: i know... bag asked me to ping him here :) 18:04 pianohacker worth leaving a later though, he may check in 18:03 pianohacker indradg: Kyle is currently at the Koha NA user's group meeting, and may not respond until next week 17:57 huginn indradg: khall was last seen in #koha 1 day, 5 hours, 34 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <khall> sounds like a good plan 17:57 indradg @seen khall 17:57 indradg hello #koha 17:37 wahanui bonjour, tcohen 17:37 tcohen hi 16:23 jgabin When a reserve is waiting, and this reserve is expired, there is a cronjob that cancel this reserve, but, the next one, that has priority 1 is not set as W. Do I have to set it manually or there is a cron that do this job? 16:23 jgabin Anyone could help me? :( 16:18 Kchris kivilahtio: thanks for the pointers. 16:07 kivilahtio you are precious :) 16:07 kivilahtio bye #koha 16:04 kivilahtio like having development environments for different versions of linux, or different versions of Koha 16:04 kivilahtio but if you want something that can access the internet and doesnät need to be exposed to the public, it is very easy 16:03 kivilahtio configuring the nwtworking is more challenging and you need to know about iptables and friends to get it working 16:03 kivilahtio Kchris: LXC is actually dead easy 16:03 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 16:03 cait @later tell drojf noooooooooooooo - now you are gone and i want to know! 16:02 kivilahtio Kchris: we use LXC because I don't need any extra middleware to debug, like with Vagrant or Docker or whatnot 16:02 kivilahtio don't ditch it just yet, if you have made some investment in learning it 16:02 kivilahtio Kchris: but I would ask around some more about Vagrant 16:02 kivilahtio Kchris: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LXC 16:01 Kchris kivilahtio: where would one get started with LXC? 16:00 jgabin When a reserve is waiting, and this reserve is expired, there is a cronjob that cancel this reserve, but, the next one, that has priority 1 is not set as W. Do I have to set it manually or there is a cron that do this job? 15:59 jgabin I have a question about reserves 15:59 kivilahtio Kchris: sorry, I don't know anything about Vagrant. We use pure LXC. It works :) 15:58 jgabin hello! 15:58 Kchris I have been trying to set up a development/testing environment with kohadevbox. I have had Koha running on it at times, but sometimes "vagrant up" fails. I am not really clear why.I get error messages such as "File [/home/vagrant/kohaclone/koha_perl_deps.pl] is not executable! 15:53 kivilahtio what do you mean? 15:53 kivilahtio pianohacker: can you elaborate that a bit? 15:51 pianohacker caching has the potential to create enough weird issues, especially in Perl, that they probably want to make sure you know what you're doing 15:50 kivilahtio Well how goes the saying? "Assume, makes an ass out of you and me" :) 15:50 kivilahtio Apparently DBIx doesnt do transparent caching?? I am surprised to find an ORM that doesn't. 15:49 pianohacker kivilahtio: hmm, yeah, technically redundant but might create a circular reference 15:48 kivilahtio pianohacker: you could do:: $item->biblio($biblio); $biblio->addItem($item); Which might get us into trouble 15:44 kivilahtio but also expensive DB calls for something which DBIx should automatically cache in the process memory 15:44 kivilahtio thus no circular reference 15:44 pianohacker right, same data but different object 15:44 kivilahtio it has the same data. 15:43 kivilahtio which is cloned in the biblio-object 15:43 kivilahtio pianohacker: it gets you back to a basically cloned object of the original item 15:43 wahanui apache is probably the ram hog 15:43 Koha_User Where can i find apache? 15:42 wahanui bidet, Koha_User 15:42 Koha_User Hello 15:42 pianohacker kivilahtio: so in other words, $item->biblio()->items()->[0], say, would not get you back to $item? 15:38 kivilahtio bye! 15:38 tcohen bye Joubu ! 15:38 kivilahtio anyway. Just saying that there should be no circular reference issues with the way we currently get referenced objects. 15:38 gmcharlt (as well as various interpretations, each of which individually is sensible, but collectively are too inconsistent to bear) 15:38 Joubu Have to go, have a good day/evening #koha 15:37 kivilahtio and if we update one referenced version of the same business data the changes wont propagate to the other existing implementation. Not sure if that is bad, but it is inefficient. 15:37 gmcharlt (not that falling back to bib-level is an inherently silly notion -- not at all -- but it wouldn't be universally expected either, and we're in a situation where we've got the dead weight of history to deal with) 15:36 kivilahtio The downside is that DBIx doesnät do caching, or it summons a completely new resultset object for all of these different objects. Thus we don't get any caching 15:36 gmcharlt general idea is that if you set item-level_itypes, one *must* always set an item type for each item 15:35 kivilahtio sorry for getting hyped up. 15:35 kivilahtio so there is no circular reference when using DBIx or Koha::Object. 15:35 gmcharlt tcohen: cait: falling back across the board would be... new behavior 15:35 kivilahtio tcohen: Joubu: Ran some tests and the circular referencing object are actually different objects, even if they represent the same business data. 15:33 tcohen hi pianohacker 15:33 nengard hi pianohacker 15:31 pianohacker morning 15:08 * tcohen ends blasphemous mode 15:08 tcohen sorry 15:08 tcohen damn 15:08 tcohen ok, i'll fill a new bug... 15:06 cait i'd think it would make some sense to have it fallback 15:06 cait most likely 15:06 tcohen and some doesn't :-D 15:06 cait but ... not sure that's consistently so 15:06 cait i think some of the code falls back to bibio.itemtype 15:06 cait nope 15:05 kivilahtio prolly not :( 15:05 kivilahtio tcohen: item.ccode? 15:04 tcohen gmcharlt: do u remember what is supposed to be the behaviour when item.itemtype is NULL? fallback to biblio-level itype? 14:56 cait we'd have to read the code to see if the numeric hidden value it translates too has actually an effect 14:56 * nengard is being sarcastic 14:56 nengard hehe 14:56 nengard well that's encouraging 14:56 cait nengard: i think noone knows 14:55 wnickc There is a mention in the help for the page, but only says it is exclusive to all other options 14:55 wahanui salut, tcohen 14:55 tcohen hi 14:54 nengard tcohen cait? 14:54 nengard anyone else know?? 14:54 nengard apparently the documentation manager had no clue cause she didn't include it in the manual 14:53 nengard um .... hehe 14:53 nengard OH!!! 14:53 wnickc Editing a subfield, under avdanced constraints with visibility 14:52 nengard I don't see it in the db or eding a framework 14:52 nengard wnickc in what context? 14:51 nengard um .... 14:47 wnickc Anyone know what flagged does in frameworks 14:37 wnickc Not surprising, she is good at that, I can just see Kyle doing the blog from my chair 14:37 * cait hopes for lots of testing of the new cataloguing editor 14:36 nengard I keep linking to her :) 14:36 nengard wnickc heather is doing a great job reporting on her own blog too 14:36 wnickc Hi cait 14:36 cait missed nengards question - don't answer 14:36 cait oh 14:35 cait wnickc: are you at kohana? 14:34 wnickc Khall is doing a nice job of recording on the Bywater blog 14:33 wnickc I am, no power near me so running on my phone and checking sporadically 14:33 kivilahtio tcohen: reading you loud and clear 14:31 tcohen and we don't follow it (if you look at updatedatabase.pl) :-P 14:31 tcohen the only mandatory guideline we embraced was not using plain SQL anymore 14:30 tcohen kivilahtio: you can either: provide a fix to Koha::Object(s), and/or stick with DBIx for that specific project from yours, when we adopted Koha::Object(s) is was explicitly stated that it wouldn't be mandatory to use them. 14:26 nengard are you at kohana 14:26 nengard hola wnickc 14:25 cait hmif someone talked to me in the last hour..... my irc client died and with it all the messages - please resent *sigh* 14:21 kivilahtio and do a lot of extra magic 14:21 Joubu that's why you have to provide a fix quickly!! :) 14:21 kivilahtio I am no DBIx expert, frankly I barely get by, but I think DBIx will deal with this mess for us 14:21 kivilahtio this is not something you fix with DBIx or Koha::Object, you have to refactor every subroutine with this programming pattern. 14:20 kivilahtio and I see this pattern everywhere 14:20 kivilahtio and they both store a reference to each others... 14:20 kivilahtio if contacts has similar subroutine which returns the object getting the contacts 14:20 kivilahtio return $self->{contacts}; 14:20 kivilahtio $self->{contacts} = Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller::Contacts->search( { booksellerid => $self->id } ); 14:20 kivilahtio sub contacts { 14:19 kivilahtio Joubu: we have to change every Koha::Object subclass ecause the code is each object references getter 14:19 Joubu kivilahtio: no matter if we have a layer with stupid methods like that. To me it's not important, just because it will be easy to fix when we will find a global fix 14:17 kivilahtio I am thinking :) 14:17 kivilahtio Joubu: thanks for the feedback 14:17 Joubu kivilahtio: really if you have a good option, I will be the first to be happy 14:16 Joubu no need to rewrite the callers 14:16 Joubu you will be able to replace Koha::Booksellers with what you like 14:16 Joubu I meant, if you manage to clean pl file and add readable code : my $baskets = Koha::Booksellers->find($id)->baskets 14:15 Joubu yes I know: it's not elegant, but extendable. 14:12 kivilahtio + return $self->{_result}->aqbaskets; 14:12 kivilahtio +sub baskets { 14:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add additional sound options for warnings 14:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves 14:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13726 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller should use Koha::Object 14:11 Joubu bug 13726, bug 14544, bug 11431 14:11 kivilahtio something like "use base qw(Koha::Object Koha/Schema/Result/Subscription);" 14:10 kivilahtio Joubu: I don't feel ok with Koha::Object. I think I will try a tech sprint by doing multiple inheritance with DBIx and Koha::Object 14:09 kivilahtio Joubu: something which actually does something more complex in production thatn just search/find 14:09 kivilahtio and encoutner real issues you are bound to face when working with multiple referencing objects, like biblio-biblioitems and subscriptions 14:09 Joubu what is "real production code"? 14:08 kivilahtio Joubu: I am not saying Koha::Object is a bad thing, but I would have like somebody to actually write real production code with it before pushing it to master 14:08 kivilahtio Joubu: I am thinking of it 14:08 Joubu feel free to suggest something else 14:07 Joubu ok it's not perfect, but at least we have something into master 14:07 Joubu kivilahtio: the thing is we almost agree on Koha::Object after 4 years of "discussion" 14:07 kivilahtio also I rewrite what DBIx already does for us 14:07 kivilahtio this hapened to me when doing our data migration scripts. Man it was painful to track circular references 14:06 kivilahtio we cannot destroy the linkings if we lose the references to the biblios 14:06 kivilahtio for ex if koha.biblio and koha.biblioitems for the same biblionumber get their biblio and biblioitems invoked using these Koha::Object relational accessors we get a circular reference and that wont get garbage collected unless we explicitly destroy the linkings 14:05 kivilahtio and we don't cache the linked resource in the Koha::Object-implementations $self->{linkedresource} 14:04 kivilahtio we can just say $subscription->numberpattern() calling the DBIx 14:04 kivilahtio so instead of saying $subscription->_result()->numberpattern(); 14:03 kivilahtio and my fingers are starting to hurt and I don't want to do that anymore 14:03 kivilahtio you have to implement a separate subroutine to access linked resources even if DBIx would do it for us, that is a lot of extra code we need writing. 14:03 kivilahtio implementing these Koha::Object subclasses is no easier than with DBI 14:02 kivilahtio this would lead to much much more prettier code 14:02 kivilahtio we should inherit the Koha/Schema/Result/Object 14:02 kivilahtio tcohen: also I feel dump rewriting the exact same code DBIx enables, but DBIx prolly takes care of the circular references issues for u 14:01 kivilahtio tcohen: they way we access linked resources from one object will sooner or later lead to circular references 14:01 tcohen kivilahtio: elaborate, did you find limitations? 14:01 kivilahtio tcohen: I am worried about the Koha::Object system and that it I am starting to see things with it 14:01 tcohen kivilahtio: weren't you about to complain about something? 13:48 Shane-S can I jus do cpan upgrade (/(.*)/ or something like that, or do the Perl modules need to be handle individually? I installed from packages back like 3.08 then to 3.12 and now from 3.12-> 3.20 and apt-get isn't touching Perl 13:34 gmcharlt will do 13:34 tcohen gmcharlt: i will post a followup with explicit tests for the case bl-itype && il-itype are defined for the item, and bl-itype is set, could you please review it? 13:32 gmcharlt it occurs to me that clearest change to GetItem() would be to have it add an effective_itemtype to its return value 13:32 tcohen Maybe sub GetItem { my $itemnumber = shift; return Koha::Item->search({ itemnumber => $itemnumber }) } 13:31 gmcharlt but a local fix to AddReturn() can be done in parallel 13:31 gmcharlt tcohen: yeah, arguably changing GetItem() is a separate bug 13:30 Joubu indeed 13:30 tcohen yes, that's what gmcharlt pointed about the schema 13:30 Joubu tcohen: khall did something will an "effective_ittemtype" or something 13:30 * tcohen means that for fixing GetItem 13:29 tcohen gmcharlt: i see what you mean, but I suspect that belongs to a separate bug 13:28 gmcharlt or line 622 in Koha/Schema/Result/Item.pm 13:28 tcohen ok 13:27 gmcharlt see C4::Circulation::TooMany() for an example of the logic I have in mind 13:27 gmcharlt i.e., not quite the same thing 13:27 gmcharlt when the expecation is that it return the bib-level type 13:27 gmcharlt tcohen: but in the case where item-level_itypes is off, but the items.itemtype is populated... it returns the item-level type 13:26 tcohen so the item always carries an itemtype 13:25 tcohen gmcharlt: C4/Items.pm:179-183 13:24 tcohen i noticed on writing the tests, that if bib-level itypes are set, the bib-level itype is recorded on the item 13:24 kivilahtio well, just asking, take care! 13:24 kivilahtio Looking at the code, it feels like O(n) * O(n) * O(n) is starting to add up 13:23 tcohen gmcharlt: you mean you will extend the regression tests? 13:23 gmcharlt tcohen: upshot - please poke me tomorrow and I will emit a counter-patch for discussion 13:23 Shane-S I have another Question, the PERL tab in About Koha reports 4 things yellow, and 2 red...how can I get PERL to add the missing or warnings? 13:23 kivilahtio has anybody done any performance tests with Koha::Object vs DBIx::Class related to referenced table access? 13:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9351 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Failed QA , item type not recorded correctly in statistics for returns and some local use 13:23 gmcharlt tcohen: reaction two - same thing for bug 9351 13:22 Shane-S Joubu: I did before the restart as per the DOM conversion Wiki...seems fine now 13:22 kivilahtio and that is very hard :) 13:22 Joubu Shane-S: Have you reindexed? 13:22 Shane-S so I rebooted...and the C4 error went away 13:22 kivilahtio I have been working with these Koha::Objects and mainly accessing referenced tables 13:22 tcohen heh 13:22 gmcharlt tcohen: reaction 1 - 14598 lacks an explicit test of the item-levels_itypes systpref, and since GetItems() doesn't do it... 13:21 kivilahtio tcohen: sorry to ruin your day but I came here to complain/discuss 13:21 kivilahtio hey but I do! 13:21 kivilahtio boy if that had a regression test 13:21 tcohen kivilahtio: sarcasm is discouraged here 13:20 kivilahtio I might crawl back to where I came from 13:20 kivilahtio tcohen: nice! That is something I would love to hear when returning from a loong holiday 13:18 tcohen CanBookBeIssued... is used... to record localuse loans... *blink* 13:17 * tcohen blinks 13:11 tcohen hi nengard 13:11 nengard hi all 13:11 Shane-S Now I get: Error: Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 799. when I do a search 13:11 tcohen gmcharlt: done 13:11 Shane-S Hi all, I had to switch to DOM...followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing. I got all my errors sorted, and checked system info...no issues there....however... 13:10 tcohen i'm adding my opinion on frido's 13:10 gmcharlt looking 13:10 tcohen you have more insight on how we deal with itemtypes, can you take a look? 13:09 tcohen I missed frido's, but I'm not happy with the patches either 13:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn 13:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9351 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Failed QA , item type not recorded correctly in statistics for returns and some local use 13:09 tcohen gmcharlt: bug 9351 vs. bug 14598 13:09 gmcharlt tcohen: hmm? 13:08 tcohen gmcharlt: around? 12:47 tcohen cait 12:44 tcohen heh 12:44 tcohen waiiiit 12:44 tcohen no no 12:44 Joubu tcohen: lunch time ;) 12:44 Joubu I never know if everything is correctly checked 12:43 Joubu tcohen: it seems to work, but itemtypes make me crazy... 12:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn 12:42 tcohen Joubu: what's your first thought about bug 14598? Maybe we should extract the regression tests for the original bug? 12:41 tcohen hi Joubu 12:41 Joubu tcohen: o/ 12:41 misilot Joubu: :( 12:41 tcohen hi #koha 12:40 Joubu misilot: Not using the interface 12:33 misilot is there an easy way to mass modify course reserve? (ie a list of barcodes remove from any course they are attached to?) 11:55 nikesh join #koha 11:14 gaetan_B bye 10:42 Francesca goodnight 10:42 Francesca now to bed 10:42 Francesca essay is finished! 10:42 * Francesca does a happy dance 09:05 cdickinson it has to be finished for that, though :P 09:05 cdickinson in that case, I'll look forward to it 09:04 Francesca you'll see 09:02 cdickinson is it about the wild cats that basically become pests? 09:02 cdickinson yeah, I'll proof read it for you 09:01 Francesca I'll send you the draft another day 09:01 Francesca don't think that'd pass somehow 09:01 Francesca nope 09:01 cdickinson because you're probably not writing about how cute cats are :P 09:00 Francesca who knew writing about cats could be so hard 08:58 Francesca ish 08:58 cdickinson is it coming along? :P 08:58 * Francesca should return to her cat essay 08:58 Francesca anyways 08:58 Francesca I couldn't resist 08:57 cdickinson that pirate thing is clever 08:57 Francesca I haven't done anything see? 08:57 Francesca cdickinson: look up 08:57 wahanui cdickinson: cdickinson =is= <reply> I run Windows. Don't judge me.|a Linux admin who runs Windows. (blasphemer.)|<reply> cdickinson's worst fear is the worst fear of every programmer - the silent server fail 08:57 cdickinson literal cdickinson 08:57 Francesca I'm not going to do anything 08:56 cdickinson don't you do what I think you're going to do 08:56 nlegrand I have been using OpenBSD for a long time and juged everyone else. Now I'm on Debian and I feel like a hippie. 08:56 wahanui aye aye cap'n 08:56 Francesca wahanui roger that? 08:56 Francesca hehehehe 08:56 cdickinson oh boy 08:55 Francesca cdickinson the shell dweller 08:55 Francesca lol 08:55 cdickinson and live in shells 08:55 cdickinson have countless Ubuntu VMs for many different things here 08:55 Francesca but I have a vm with ubuntu installed 08:55 cdickinson lol 08:55 Francesca I run mac don't judge me 08:55 cait ok, now i am judging you ;) 08:55 Francesca hehehehe 08:54 cdickinson do I get a pass simply for being too lazy to replace it with Linux? :P 08:54 cait ... so hardly in a position to give him a hard time really 08:54 cait but ubuntu at home and debian for my dev environment here 08:54 cdickinson why hello there, Francesca 08:54 cait i am using windows at work too :) 08:49 Francesca (the wellington team so totally is) 08:49 Francesca cait: are you judging him yet? 08:49 cait ;) 08:49 cait ew 08:49 wahanui I run Windows. Don't judge me. 08:49 Francesca hey cdickinson 08:48 Francesca hello 08:47 nlegrand hello #koha 08:27 kivilahtio Joubu++ 08:27 kivilahtio Joubu: the way you partitioned Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller::Contact is very good! 07:16 drojf not translatable either :/ 07:08 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on August 05, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:08 Francesca @wunder wlg 07:06 dcook drojf: Can't remember. Sorry :/ 07:04 alex_a bonjour 07:01 drojf in serials, if i use 'manual history', does that mean nothing is filledinautomatically? i set up a subscription and received a few issues, but if i choose 'edit history' it's empty. is it supposed to be? 06:58 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B 06:58 gaetan_B hello 06:52 Francesca cat bot might be a better description 06:52 cdickinphone A cat person then 06:51 wahanui cats are endlessly entertaining. 06:51 Francesca wahanui: cats 06:51 Francesca hey cdickinphone_ check this out 06:50 Francesca *mine 06:50 Francesca my are particularly adorable 06:50 Francesca cats are adorable 06:48 dcook I feel like that sums up my feelings about them :p 06:48 dcook [off] https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153099337778947&set=a.10151008037238947.416668.517028946&type=1&theater 06:48 cdickinphone Whoop 06:48 dcook They are adorable though 06:48 dcook cdickinphone_: hehe yep 06:48 dcook Francesca: Technically they're my wife's cats :p 06:46 Francesca ok 06:46 Francesca hahaha 06:45 cdickinphone_ He might have a significant other that calls the shots on that one 06:44 Francesca dcook: you have cats but you're not a cat person?? 06:43 cait brb 06:43 cait Francesca: :) 06:43 * dcook isn't a pet person despite having two cats 06:42 Francesca or should they be left alone, but have more regulations 06:42 Francesca dcook: Should cats be exterminated so as the preserve wildlife in nz 06:42 dcook Reminds me that I haven't seen gmcharlt around here in ages... 06:42 Francesca cait: I could send you my fanpen 06:42 dcook What's the debate? 06:42 dcook Or maybe you can! 06:42 dcook Can't go wrong with cats 06:41 Francesca Its about cats 06:41 dcook cait: :( 06:41 dcook Francesca: Nice :) 06:41 Francesca dcook: I have a topic for my essay now! 06:41 cait supposed to go over 30 agan this week :( 06:41 cait if it stayed at 20... there would be no problem 06:41 Francesca hey cait, dcook 06:33 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (4:00 PM AEST on August 05, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 06:33 dcook heya cait 06:33 dcook @wunder syd 06:33 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 20.7°C (8:32 AM CEST on August 05, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 06:33 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:32 dcook Ah right.. 06:32 dcook That moment when you sit back down and try to remember what you were doing.. 06:27 Francesca morning Joubu 06:23 Joubu morning #koha 06:21 Francesca its for my writing elective 06:21 Francesca I may be a music major, but the cat essay is not for a music paper 06:21 Francesca don't laugh at me 06:16 * liw is wearing a t-shirt saying "Eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelsalat auf der Hauptbahnhof, bitte" and should probably stay out of this discussion 06:09 drojf in german, we have the word "katzenmusik" (literally 'cat music') for cacophony, and for something that apparently is called 'rough music' in english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_music 06:05 cdickinphone I do Japanese, as an Engineering major 06:05 cdickinphone ^ lol 06:04 drojf as a music major? 05:55 * Francesca is now writing an essay on cats 05:50 Francesca that is good 05:49 gavitor exit 05:49 gavitor Hello? 05:49 drojf much cooler today. and my flat is back to a normal temperature :) 05:48 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (5:30 PM NZST on August 05, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 05:48 Francesca @wunder wlg 05:48 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 17.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on August 05, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 05:48 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 05:48 drojf hi Francesca 05:47 Francesca morning 05:47 drojf morning #koha 05:35 gavitor Anyone getting my feed? I am having internet connectivity issues currently....... 05:26 gavitor Hello all....I am a new user and having successfully installed KOHA 3.20 on Monday I have found that I can't log on properly today... 04:51 dcook I think I saw that a while back 04:51 dcook Ahhh right 04:46 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/QueryBuilder.pm;h=386073c6f44d31f1506c73330eaf5aeeeb35475a;hb=refs/heads/elastic_search#l155 <-- at the moment, I don't have to as the compatibility functions do that. 04:45 dcook So how are you going to handle regular free form search queries? 04:44 dcook For sure 04:44 eythian yeah, it's something we ought to have standard formats for really 04:44 dcook Koha definitely needs more coherent search in every way.. 04:44 dcook eythian: I had to do something similar a little while back making a basic Koha search API 04:44 chrisvella hahaha 04:43 dcook You guys have a lot of channels, eh? ;p 04:43 chrisvella or he has chrisvella_ as a spy... who knows ;) 04:43 mtj shush dcook :0) 04:43 chrisvella mtj is playing around with nicks in our own channel 04:43 dcook eythian: Looks like it does the trick 04:42 chrisvella hahaha 04:42 eythian I always thought so 04:42 dcook mtj and chrisvella are one in the same?! 04:42 eythian it basically fufills my current needs and not a whole lot more :) 04:41 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/35 <-- dcook, what I ended up with instead. 04:38 dcook I can't say I've missed it.. 04:38 dcook Oh man... it feels like ages since I've done any web design 04:30 dcook I have no doubt there is, but it would be time consuming to discover it :/ 04:29 eythian s'ok. I was just hopeful that there was something sensible there I could use, but it seems not :) 04:29 dcook sorry I couldn't help more, eythian :/ 04:29 dcook Anywho, I should probably work on something else atm 04:28 dcook That might be the easiest way to do it 04:28 dcook You know... might be an idea to chat to Mike Rylander about it 04:27 eythian heh yeah 04:27 dcook Besides the lack of documentation :/ 04:27 dcook That's actually sort of heartening I think 04:26 dcook Last modified 2013-11-26 04:26 dcook I'm guessing perhaps not 04:26 dcook http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Application/Storage/QueryParser.pm;h=1b5458d2b9fb03822fe0bab1b9ec247863332ba8;hb=HEAD 04:24 dcook I sometimes wonder if the upstream Query Parser has been improved 04:24 dcook Yeah, I can't fault you for that 04:24 dcook I think it might go "query_plan" -> "node" -> "atom" 04:21 eythian screw it, I'm going to just make up a simple form that'll do the job now, and note that whoever failed to document the queryparser can be the person to convert it to use that in the future. 04:20 dcook In my day, everything was written in Greek, and we just hoped it worked! 04:20 eythian heh 04:20 dcook Bah, kids these days. They want everything written out for them! 04:20 eythian if only it actually said somewhere what it is that it returns 04:20 dcook Hmm I see something about abstract queries. That would be good.. 04:19 eythian yeah, that would make sense 04:19 dcook I recall atoms also being important 04:19 dcook I figure it's output is the same output that you'd want to generate 04:19 dcook Which decomposes a free-form text string 04:19 dcook Ah, I'm just looking through "decompose" 04:18 eythian I don't know what any of that is :) 04:18 dcook I'm not sure how "top_plan" or "plan_level" factor in 04:17 dcook classed_node 04:16 dcook $struct->add_node 04:15 dcook $self->new_plan 04:15 eythian then I'd at least know if I was searching the right place. 04:15 dcook For sure 04:15 eythian if it had a nice bit somewhere saying what it does, that'd be a pleasant start. 04:14 dcook I'd look at the "decompose" function in QueryParser.pm 04:14 eythian yeah 04:14 dcook But since it's not... 04:14 dcook If the QueryParser were already an integral part of Koha, I'd say it would be a requirement 04:13 dcook Yeah, I know that feeling 04:13 eythian but I'm not sure it's not a waste of time 04:13 eythian I could 04:11 dcook But you could probably reverse-engineer what jcamins did? 04:10 dcook I'm amazed that someone was able to keep it all in their head without documentation to be honest 04:10 dcook It's certainly suboptimal :( 04:09 eythian it doesn't even have a copyright header :/ 04:09 dcook Yeah, I spent hours just tearing it apart because of the lack of documentation :/ 04:09 eythian http://perldoc.koha-community.org/OpenILS/QueryParser.html <--it's underdocumented 04:09 dcook and the Koha::QueryParser modules 04:08 dcook Definitely take a look at OpenILS::QueryParser 04:07 dcook Hmm 04:07 dcook Mmm I think I get you 04:07 eythian so if I can move it around in some sane format, that's good. 04:07 eythian so I don't have to deal with rubbish input 04:07 eythian well, there's no human typing a search term 04:07 dcook What do you mean about everything being computer generated? 04:07 eythian yes, a query tree would be good. 04:06 dcook Well, it's an internal format, I think 04:06 dcook But it's format is a parsed query tree I think 04:06 eythian right. but where can I find what X is? 04:06 dcook It would take a string and turn it into its own format X... then your driver would turn it from format X into a specific query language, yeah, I think so 04:05 dcook Hmm 04:05 eythian so I have to make up my own intermediate query language 04:04 eythian but that doesn't seem to be what happens. 04:04 eythian then I could just use X to be consistent 04:04 eythian e.g. it'd take a string, turn it to format X, then other things turn format X into a specific query language. 04:03 eythian but that doesn't seem to be how it works 04:03 eythian I was hoping that the QP has some nice standard intermediate format that I could steal 04:03 cdickinphone Francesca: what else do you do apart from that? You don't try to find common ground? 04:02 eythian so, I don't need to parse strings or anything 04:02 dcook Hmm? 04:02 dcook In the long-term, I would think it's the way to go? 04:02 eythian well, I'm in a position where everything is computer generated 04:02 dcook Although I think you'd have to write a driver for it 04:02 dcook Ideally, you could use the query parser 04:01 dcook That it does 04:01 eythian because parsing strings sucks 04:01 eythian I'm looking for some nice generic search structure that I can use, that I can transmute into an ES query. 04:01 dcook eythian: It needs some work :/ 04:01 dcook As our implementation doesn't work the same as Evergreen's 04:01 dcook The link is both helpful/unhelpful 04:01 eythian it looks like it doesn't do what I wanted anyway 04:01 dcook http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=documentation:technical:search_grammar 04:00 eythian oh 04:00 dcook Hmm.. 04:00 wahanui i heard probably was not, but i do not know another way 04:00 eythian probably 04:00 eythian heh 04:00 eythian in particular, I'm interested in its inputs and outputs 04:00 dcook insane? 04:00 eythian dcook: if I want to quickly learn about the query parser stuff, where would I go? 03:59 Francesca yup 03:59 cdickinphone And explore the debate... Are you supposed to take two opposing arguments and analyse them? 03:58 cdickinphone Okay 03:58 Francesca cdickinphone: yup 03:57 dcook (mostly because the experts weren't often that logical...) 03:57 cdickinphone I guess they want it to be cited? 03:57 * dcook always preferred to use logic than experts in his essays 03:56 cdickinphone Yeah, that sucks :( 03:56 cdickinphone Oh 03:56 Francesca but the tutor said it wasn't a strong enough debate, and didn't have enough expert opinions 03:56 Francesca I was going to write about the airport 03:55 Francesca in my case: obesity in nz 03:55 cdickinphone The debate being? 03:55 dcook No shortage of that on the internet 03:55 Francesca we are to 'explore a debate' 03:54 dcook I would say the people in #koha but I suppose not all of my work winds up here. Less and less really :/ 03:54 cdickinphone Can you give me more of an idea of what they want? 03:54 dcook That's a good question 03:54 Francesca hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? 03:53 dcook Well, in my self-critical opinion. I might be biased... 03:53 Francesca lol 03:53 * dcook learns on the job and somehow manages to not suck at it :p 03:53 Francesca yeah I think my tutor is fond of the learning on the job idea 03:53 * dcook would be avoiding this project as well in this case 03:53 Francesca cdickinphone: no idea 03:53 dcook Well then they should teach you, no? :p 03:52 Francesca but the course is called something like introduction to essay writing 03:52 cdickinphone How can a proposal not propose something? 03:52 Francesca I dunno 03:52 dcook How can a proposal be an essay? :S 03:52 Francesca its not all due tomorrow 03:52 dcook O_o 03:52 Francesca proposal, critique a source, and research 03:52 Francesca according to the course outline we write 3 essays 03:52 dcook Francesca: Every time I wrote an essay, I felt like I had to teach myself how to write essays all over again. 03:51 cdickinphone_ Francesca: what are you proposing then? 03:51 Francesca lol 03:51 dcook Although when I wrote a paper about A Scanner Darkly comparing the film and book, I was pretty disappointed as it was clear the prof wanted the paper written his way 03:51 Francesca cdickinphone_ : I don't think they're looking for a solution 03:50 dcook It was good times 03:50 dcook In my fourth year, I think I was writing essays about Ghost in the Shell 03:50 Francesca and really? essays? fun? 03:50 Francesca ugh 2 more years 03:50 dcook But usually not until third year.. 03:50 cdickinphone_ Francesca: 1. Problem, 2. Proposed Solution, 3. Evaluation, 4. Requirements 03:50 dcook Essays can be fun! 03:48 Francesca no essays 03:48 Francesca The stuff I do for #koha is mainly web based 03:48 Francesca lol 03:48 dcook Well, other than my Bugzilla test plans. Those are practically essays. 03:48 * Francesca is jealous 03:48 * dcook is glad he doesn't have to write essays anymore 03:48 dcook Fun times! 03:47 Francesca course is called WRIT 101 03:47 Francesca nope its for an elective 03:47 dcook Is the essay about music or is it for an elective? 03:47 Francesca unfortunately that still means essays 03:47 * Francesca is a music major 03:46 dcook Git all the things! 03:46 dcook Just tweaked the EDS plugin :). I think I'll send along a pull request in a little bit 03:46 * dcook was an English major, so he's written a loooot of essays 03:42 Francesca ok 03:42 cdickinphone_ When i had to do the proposal for my project, there was four major points they boiled down to 03:35 Francesca anyone got any tips on writing a proposal? 03:32 Francesca just also working on other things at the same time 03:31 Francesca i am kinda doing it 03:31 Francesca lol 03:31 ibeardslee /kick Francesca Do your essay! 03:31 Francesca essay writing is evil 03:31 dcook Certainly a worthwhile effort :p 03:30 Francesca I'm avoiding writing an essay 03:30 dcook Mmm keeping super busy 03:30 Francesca what's up in your little corner of the world? 03:30 dcook yo Francesca :) 03:29 Francesca hi dccok!! 03:29 dcook That's really handy actually.. 03:28 dcook Sweet as 03:28 dcook You can upgrade plugins just by uploading them again... 03:28 dcook Oooh 03:12 dcook Oh well. That's why I love open source. People can find and fix problems :D 02:59 dcook I thought it was supposed to "auto expire" though.. 02:58 * dcook thinks perhaps the EDS plugin sets TTLs but doesn't get TTLs... 02:57 dcook Hmm the value in jStorage_update is about an hour ago... 02:52 dcook Mmm maybe it does.. 02:51 dcook Interesting... not sure if there's actually an update mechanism for the local storage :S 02:44 dcook Which happened in this case because of an upgrade from 1.6 to 1.8... 02:41 dcook But not checked at all.. 02:41 dcook Which is stored in local storage... 02:39 dcook It's because of DefaultParameters... or lack thereof... 02:30 dcook For any Pixies fans: https://play.spotify.com/track/4jNQkWhuzqrbqQuqanFFJ6 02:16 dcook Nope.. 02:16 dcook Ah I think I know.. 02:15 dcook But somehow it's the local storage :S 02:15 dcook Hmm nope not that.. 02:14 * dcook tests this again 02:14 dcook I think it's because I updated the authentication info.. 02:12 eythian erg 02:11 dcook That won't be fun telling a bunch of users that they need to clear their local storage... 02:11 dcook Yep. Local storage is me problem. Oh nose... 02:10 dcook Ugh maybe it's not a cookie maybe it's local storage.. 02:05 eythian heh 02:05 dcook "My password is 'policeofficer' all lowercase." 02:05 dcook I'm midway through season 7 right now and my favourite line? 02:04 eythian yep 02:04 dcook eythian: Have you seen Weeds? 02:04 dcook Permission issue. Zap! 02:03 dcook Can't even uninstall the plugin in one of them :S 02:03 dcook Oh man... updating plugins for 4 different instances and they're each giving me their own special problems.. 01:58 dcook That's not nice.. 01:58 dcook Yep... cookie troubles 01:56 dcook Looks like maybe some missing cookie or something? :S 01:54 dcook But this didn't happen on my dev install yesterday... 01:54 dcook or something is.. 01:54 dcook Yeah, for some reason when I search for "test" the EDS plugin is adding "undefined" into the search query 01:53 eythian but deadly 01:52 dcook Especially when they're silent.. 01:52 dcook Ergh... unexpected errors are the worst 01:30 dcook Been too long since I set the thing up.. 01:30 dcook I can't tell if the path I had in my dev was set by me or a default or what 01:30 dcook Cool. That makes sense 01:30 eythian and put the plugin in there 01:30 eythian I think I just set it to /var/lib/koha/instancename/plugins 01:29 dcook hey wizzyrea_, eythian, rangi: might one of you let me know what's in a sample <pluginsdir>? 01:00 * dcook needed a bigger desk to accomodate the second monitor and all these cookies and donuts... 00:59 dcook That reminds me I have a lot of sugary snacks to eat right now... 00:58 cdickinphone That's what happens before i descend into zombiedom 00:56 dcook I don't know why, but this just went through my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrwOxpac0XY 00:49 cdickinphone Thankfully, that's not why i missed my 12pn lecture 00:48 cdickinphone By definition, no, by feeling, yeah 00:48 Francesca tell me are you still a sleep deprived zombie? 00:48 cdickinphone Hiya Francesca 00:47 wahanui cdickinphone is also a sleep deprived zombie 00:47 Francesca hey cdickinphone 00:17 rangi oh yeah im not planning to go out wandering around by myself 00:16 wizzyrea_ haha 00:16 wahanui mmm meat 00:16 dcook Meeting time 00:16 dcook Yeah, there are a few places I might be reluctant to travel to 00:16 dcook hehe 00:15 rangi https://twitter.com/esilibrary/status/628579060482846720 00:11 eythian something something hundreds kidnapped something something ;) 00:10 rangi [off] so yeah the 7 people in nigeria who died of ebola outbreak ... not even the same magnitude :) 00:09 wizzyrea_ that is clearly an oversight 00:09 wizzyrea_ lol no I don't think so 00:08 rangi did we have any nine inch nails at whisky? I think don covered every other band from that era 00:08 wizzyrea_ [off] also there has been a mass shooting every day this year (defined as 4 or more people being shot - not killed) in the US 00:08 dcook Usually when I think of Trent Reznor, this is what I think of though :p 00:08 rangi heh 00:08 dcook I forgot about that video! 00:08 dcook Bahaha 00:07 dcook My wife bought it for my birthday back in June but I've been too sick to enjoy it, so I'm saving it for when I can smell and taste again.. 00:07 wizzyrea_ hee 00:07 eythian > Uggh I hate that. You'll just be out buying a newspaper and Trent Reznor starts chasing you around. <-- t/hee 00:07 dcook What do I have at home at the moment... 00:07 * Francesca is very confused 00:07 dcook eythian: Mmmm beer 00:07 rangi [off] its pretty mental 00:07 wizzyrea_ [off] which made me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPVrFIP0CMs 00:06 rangi [off] on course to have more than 1150 this year 00:06 dcook [off] I thought I saw something like that.. 00:06 rangi [off] 118 in july 00:06 eythian dcook: from another channel: <eythian> http://www.regionalwines.co.nz/gift.aspx/big-and-ballsy-beer-pack <-- wizzyrea_ should get the first one of these 00:05 dcook [off] That's interesting! 00:05 Francesca hi rangi 00:04 rangi [off] thats what i was telling people who were all 'Nigeria? isn't that dangerous' i was all well statistically im more likely to be shot by a cop in the USA when i visit the inlaws the month before than anything happen to me in nigeria 00:04 dcook [off] Oh? 00:04 wizzyrea_ [off] hm, this is a recurring theme today. 00:03 dcook [off] Actually, scratch that too. Oh the stories I have... 00:03 dcook [off] Unless you're white and male. Then you might be OK. 00:02 dcook [off] Yeah, that's pretty much true 00:02 rangi [off] i think the real note is under no circumstances ever interact with law enforcement anywhere in north america 00:00 dcook [off] Note to self: don't ride a bike in Vancouver... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ismail-bhabha-vancouver-police-officer-found-guilty-of-assaulting-cyclist-1.3179398