Time  Nick        Message
22:31 mtompset    stares at whom and where?
22:10 * tcohen    stares with suspicious face
22:07 * tcohen    tries to remember if there's anyone from him
22:06 mtompset    190 needs sign off.
22:02 tcohen      190?
22:01 mtompset    Did I blink?!
22:01 mtompset    190?!
22:00 tcohen      mtompset: there are some easy to tset on your list
21:58 tcohen      ribasushi: who invented dbix syntax?
21:56 tcohen      mtompset: i take breaks :)
21:53 pianohacker bye all, be back tonight
21:52 mtompset    If you need a break from those intense ones. :)
21:52 tcohen      rda patches are on my working branch already
21:51 mtompset    I understand. :)
21:51 tcohen      there were bugfixes which have a bit higher priority
21:50 tcohen      will cover all of them
21:50 tcohen      today i pushed 11 i think
21:50 tcohen      therest are ok
21:49 mtompset    I had a pain rebasing it into my 3.20.x hack branch.
21:48 mtompset    Though, I think there may be an issue with what is currently there.
21:48 mtompset    I thought he was revising it in other bugs.
21:47 tcohen      marcelr is revising it
21:46 tcohen      6874 is on hold
21:46 mtompset    Not all are mine, but I'd like to shrink the number of branches I have. :)
21:46 mtompset     6874
21:46 mtompset    14487
21:46 mtompset    14240
21:45 mtompset    13948
21:45 mtompset    12357
21:43 mtompset    Can I list you some bug numbers that have passed QA? :)
21:43 * tcohen    clarifies it was a cumpliment
21:43 mtompset    speaking of obsessive. :)
21:42 tcohen      nah, you are too obsessive, was just a joke
21:42 mtompset    I may have been me once.
21:42 mtompset    I check, and it is usually someone else.
21:42 tcohen      :-P
21:42 tcohen      mtompset: serial jenkins breaker
21:42 mtompset    I stop looking after the 3rd email. :)
21:42 pianohacker that's how the test suite used to be, and nobody paid any attention to it
21:41 pianohacker yeah
21:41 tcohen      the devs stop bothering to take a look at the regressions they introduce
21:41 tcohen      because once tests fail for more than a week
21:41 pianohacker cait's gonna be thrilled to hear about that...
21:41 tcohen      i'm tempted to just remove the shuffle option switch
21:41 mtompset    I think a vulgar explicative is in order: holy excrement!
21:40 tcohen      that's why jenkins is constantly failing in master
21:40 tcohen      mtompset: yes
21:40 tcohen      we should build test cases inside subtests so there aren't unnecesary side effects inside the same .t
21:40 pianohacker (the failure, not the reordering)
21:40 pianohacker *shiver* that's terrifying
21:40 mtompset    We have failures when the .t order is randomized?!
21:39 pianohacker makes sense
21:39 tcohen      exactly, only teh .t files
21:39 pianohacker tcohen: and, just to be clear, this is reordering the .t files, not the tests within them, correct?
21:39 tcohen      but there must have been situations in which we inadvertedly passed tests only because they were run after another test
21:38 tcohen      i think that's the aim
21:38 pianohacker why is that? I thought the only dependency for most of the tests was a full installation of the sample data?
21:37 pianohacker ... joy
21:37 tcohen      and they of course, fail randomly
21:37 tcohen      prove -s
21:37 tcohen      i told jenkins to run the tests randomly
21:37 tcohen      which is causing me a lot of headaches
21:37 pianohacker right...
21:37 tcohen      yeah, and we don't test on other tests' side-effects
21:36 pianohacker that's reasonable, it makes the generation of test data a lot better
21:36 pianohacker ah, okay :)
21:36 tcohen      :-D
21:36 tcohen      yes, because it fills all foreign constrains with random data :-D
21:36 pianohacker does it depend on a wrapping $dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0 / $dbh->rollback?
21:35 tcohen      Yohann Dafour
21:35 mtompset    Actually, if you changed the line I suggested, tcohen, then you could set the params in a $self->params in the initialize routine without having to make the change you did.
21:35 pianohacker ah, right
21:35 tcohen      it was an intern from biblibre
21:34 tcohen      and I also create random items
21:34 pianohacker who made that again?
21:34 pianohacker niiiiice!
21:34 tcohen      single line thing
21:34 tcohen      create a couple random itypes, a random branch, a random borrower
21:33 pastebot    "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "pianohacker: TestBuilder goodness" (49 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/16
21:33 pianohacker oh, nvm
21:33 tcohen      mtompset: I answered, even
21:33 pianohacker mtompset: yup, but jcamins is probably the only person likely to be helpful :)
21:32 pianohacker absolutely, definitely interested
21:32 mtompset    tcohen and pianohacker: Did you see my koha-devel email question? :)
21:32 tcohen      can i show u?
21:32 tcohen      but building the test wasn't
21:32 tcohen      it is trivial to solve (have a patch already)
21:32 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn
21:32 tcohen      i'm writing a regression test for bug 14598
21:31 tcohen      without any assumptions on the db data
21:31 pianohacker oh really? What are you working on?
21:31 tcohen      makes writing integration tests pretty simple
21:31 tcohen      I have to say I like it :-D
21:30 tcohen      i was giving TestBuilder my frst real-life usage
21:30 tcohen      hi pianohacker
21:28 pianohacker also hi :)
21:28 pianohacker tcohen: RE: your question earlier (if it's still relevant), C4::Context->marcfromkohafield ?
21:27 tcohen      hi there
21:20 huginn`     pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
21:20 pianohacker @later tell cait well, later than wanted, but I posted a sandbox for bug 11559
20:48 huginn`     pianohacker: ashimema was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, 5 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ashimema> morning
20:48 pianohacker @seen ashimema
20:39 drojf       a multitude of mtompsets
20:29 drojf       tonys: great
20:29 mtompset    Strangely, true again. Silly reports due in a week.
20:29 tonys       drojf: thank you for the sucessful help.. everything works again...
20:29 wahanui     well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
20:29 bag         heya mtompset
20:28 drojf       hi mtompset
20:28 mtompset    Greetings, drojf bag.
20:26 tonys       drojf: thank you I found it so let me take a look and see if the user is stil there.
20:25 drojf       tonys: assuming you are on an installation with debian packages and your instance is called Library (from what you posted before), it would be in /etc/koha/sites/Library/koha-conf.xml
20:23 tonys       drofj>> don't see to be able to find the file you recommended
20:19 tonys       okay let me check the file first
20:18 drojf       tonys: the database user should still be there (info in koha-conf.xml), or you could just remove the instance and recreate it
20:17 bag         ah you too cait
20:17 huginn`     bag: cait was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 17 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <cait> have a nice weekend #koha
20:17 bag         @seen cait
20:16 tonys       I made a mistake and deleted all the patron files in Koha and it got rid of all my user and admin logins ... anyone know what I need to do to get at least the default back in place
19:39 pianohacker happy to help, have a nice day :)
19:38 tonys       Thank you again
19:37 pianohacker tonys: glad to hear!
19:35 tonys       Just did that and now it works.... I must be brain fryed but thank you so much pianohacker
19:34 pianohacker tonys: run sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
19:33 tonys       <pianohacker> I'm still getting that default page
19:31 huginn`     mtompset: jcamins was last seen in #koha 5 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <jcamins> Hehe.
19:31 mtompset    @seen jcamins
19:31 mtompset    jcamins: Can I ask you a question about Koha::RecordProcessor?
19:31 tonys       Greeting mtompset
19:31 mtompset    Greetings, pianohacker tonys.
19:31 pianohacker tonys: try just default then
19:30 pianohacker hi mtompset
19:30 mtompset    That I exist, or something else? ;)
19:30 tonys       My error got it -- indicates 000.default doesn't exsist
19:30 pianohacker *blink* that's odd.
19:29 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
19:29 tonys       can't find the a2dissite
19:27 pianohacker tonys: sudo a2dissite 000.default
19:27 tonys       sorry library.conf
19:27 tonys       pianohacker <<< 000.default and Library
19:22 pianohacker tonys: what's in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ directory?
19:20 tonys       Ubuntu 12.04
19:20 pianohacker tonys: what linux distro?
19:19 tonys       Is anyone here that could help me understand why my :80 doesn't bring up the OPAC but it brings up the Apache "This Works" page. Port 8080 is walking just fine.
18:19 tcohen      how do i get a value of a specific column from a result set?
18:09 pianohacker np
18:09 tcohen      oh, sorry
18:09 pianohacker tcohen: we're on a call atm
18:09 tcohen      khall: around?
18:06 tcohen      there's no such a thing as an API for that!
18:06 tcohen      oh my
18:05 * tcohen    laughs nervously
18:04 tcohen      through the API of course
18:04 tcohen      quick question: anyone remembers how to query a koha<->marc mapping?
17:26 gaetan_B    bye
17:13 huginn`     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14107: Patron cards: Make barcode width and height scaling editable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b23fb8b211c3fbedadc8b67bf294b65ed2ddf2d> / Bug 14268: Followup - instruction for preftype selection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6c8de6503c41996c37cff79665bd4c7498a9e55> / Bug 14268: Use dropdown for variable types <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
17:05 xarragon    gracias
17:05 tcohen      de nada
17:05 xarragon    tcohen: very*
17:04 xarragon    tcohen: Thank you veryt much!
17:03 tcohen      xarragon: u r welcome
17:03 xarragon    Much more compact and complete!
17:03 xarragon    Oh, I like.
17:03 xarragon    It better be l33t since I can no longer do the "dumping pun" when I use it..
17:02 xarragon    "colored pretty-printer"
17:01 tcohen      warn p($object);
17:01 tcohen      xarragon: I always usa Data::Printer
17:00 xarragon    And for some reason I imagined that Dumper would print the methods.
17:00 xarragon    Okay, thanks for the mental support.
16:59 xarragon    I see it in the bash scrollback.
16:59 xarragon    Ah, yes, I fixed the error by using the XML module.. But went on adding dumping code
16:59 tcohen      xarragon: it is friday, it is supposed to be like that on fridays
16:58 xarragon    I was probably just missing to use it then. Called the as_xml() on a record object without using it. Makes sense, since I pasted in parts from another file into a small test script.
16:58 tcohen      http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GMCHARLT/MARC-XML-1.0.3/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm
16:58 tcohen      it extends MARC::Record/MARC::File injecting more methods
16:57 tcohen      isn't it?
16:57 tcohen      MARC::File::XML includes MARC::Record
16:57 xarragon    Because I belive I changed that before starting to Data::Dump all over..
16:56 tcohen      xarragon: i don't think so
16:56 xarragon    tcohen:Does the MARC::File::XML has to be used before the MARC::Record?
16:56 tcohen      he's always around, looking after his beloved lib
16:55 tcohen      it is gmcharlt's aura
16:55 xarragon    tcohen: Uh, it actually works now.. magically
16:54 tcohen      yeap
16:54 xarragon    tcohen: Hm, it was supposed to be as_xml() actually
16:51 tcohen      xarragon: are you sure?
16:50 gaetan_B    :D
16:50 tcohen      gaetan_B: you rock
16:50 gaetan_B    :) nice way to end the week i guess!
16:50 tcohen      khall: sorry to hear!
16:50 tcohen      gaetan_B++
16:50 xarragon    Okay, probably something obvious.. But my MARC::Record objects do not have a to_xml() method, even when MARC::File::XML is used. Anyone know what it can be?
16:46 khall       oops, wrong channel!
16:45 khall       what's the zoom url we were using?
16:45 khall       heydevs so my mac pro won't even boot now
16:45 drojf       great!
16:44 gaetan_B    it worked, thanks drojf!
16:41 reiveune    bye
16:41 gaetan_B    aaah this looks promising :)
16:40 drojf       get the commitid from git log
16:40 gaetan_B    no, probably because, my vm is in an lxc container, but i am sending the git-bz commands from outside the container
16:40 drojf       i did it before with git bz attach -e xxxx <commitid of first commit, e.g. b50ea9bd>^..
16:39 drojf       *did
16:39 drojf       but it dod not work?
16:39 gaetan_B    i have tried doing git bz attach -e 12252 HEAD~^5.. which seemed like it was what i wanted from reading the wiki
16:38 gaetan_B    i have to attach them to bugzilla now
16:38 gaetan_B    i have already applied and tested all patches
16:37 tcohen      gaetan_B: I usually do git bz apply -s BUG#
16:37 gaetan_B    well that's what i am looking at right now
16:36 drojf       gaetan_B: does that help? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Bugs_with_more_than_one_patch
16:33 gaetan_B    just not too sure about myself here
16:33 gaetan_B    i have 6 patches to attach so i feel like doing git bz attach -e 12252 HEAD~^5 would do
16:31 gaetan_B    that whole HEAD~2^ thing is not very clear to me
16:31 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH GetRecord result doesn't include item data
16:31 gaetan_B    hi tcohen, i'm busy signing off bug 12252, but i'm not sure how to sign off multiple patches at once
15:49 tcohen      late morning
13:26 misilot     My code does make some alterations I believe to show shelving location instead of which library has it, since we are a single branch
13:26 misilot     I need to clean it up a bunch, but I might try and do that when I'm on vacation next week and try and get it submitted to VuFind.
13:25 misilot     barton: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/tree/fit-koharest here is the branch with our current production code
13:25 misilot     barton: but we have VuFind running just like we did with our previous vendor. Possibly even a little smoother
13:24 barton      hm. I'm going to have some fun playing with that...
13:19 misilot     barton: think of it is the pre rest/ rest driver for Koha
13:19 barton      A little experience will trump a lot of theory.
13:18 misilot     barton: http://demo.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl
13:18 barton      I think that perhaps I need to learn more about Koha's ILSDI as well... it's not a corner of Koha that I've played in before.
13:16 misilot     I haven't had time to or want enough to care about that little misconecption, since our fines are put into the Finance system for the university
13:16 misilot     and all items checked out = previously checked out
13:16 barton      ah.
13:16 misilot     the fine page I mean not the overdue page
13:15 misilot     The only wonky thing is, the overdue page in VuFind, it shows all items checked out
13:15 barton      nod.
13:15 misilot     As long as the ILSDI driver allows it, I can do it
13:15 misilot     that
13:14 misilot     yes, i can ^^
13:14 barton      you can't do anything lik placing holds via VuFind.
13:13 misilot     I can place holds/renewal/cancel holds etc through the ILSDI driver
13:13 misilot     barton: what do you mean?
13:13 barton      misilot: nod ... so you're treating Koha as read-only, correct?
13:09 misilot     since the external source is doing that
13:09 misilot     the username is our *identifier* for koha so I just look up based on ID and don't actually authenticate the patron
13:07 misilot     barton: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/commit/911cbbeb3258d7d5087f3c664e51bc7afa314d0e#diff-9e1a55e9135382338c9c9bc0d5629549R1498
13:07 barton      cait, misilot, drojf : just added http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/External_Integration -- pretty bare bones at the moment, but it's a start.
13:00 cait        have a nice weekend #koha
12:33 barton      misilot++
12:32 misilot     let me try and put my custom code up into a branch on github, and see if I can walk you through it. I'm not using LDAP for VuFind, but I am using CAS so it may be similar enough
12:31 barton      I don't have clue 1 about how that's called or how it interacts with Koha.
12:30 barton      Yeah, that's one of the places that I'm running into trouble as well: the site that I'm integrating with is using LDAP; as soon as it hits user data, it's prompting for a login, and I have no clue about the plumbing inside Vufind that's making that happen... I can see a login method inside the KohaRest driver (or something like that)... but I don
12:26 misilot     for users
12:26 misilot     i just need to figure out a better way to gracefully handle the custom parts of authentication that we added. where I do not use koha username and passwords for authenticating to the backend
12:26 barton      nod.
12:25 misilot     possibly
12:25 misilot     i'm gonna try and put some of my changes out there publically and try and get them merged into VuFind stable possibl
12:25 misilot     ah ok :)
12:24 barton      time to back up and get a better idea of what I'm doing.
12:24 barton      misilot: well, yes and no... I think that a good chunk of my problem right now is that I just don't know enough about VuFind in general... I've been going down very specific avenues, without any context.
12:21 misilot     wasn't sure if you needed any help with it
12:21 misilot     ah :)
12:21 barton      your name came up :-)
12:21 barton      misilot: talking about vufind in general. I was giving back-story.
12:21 cait        i amnot sure what happened
12:21 cait        i think they had a request going to get it integrated
12:20 cait        koha-driver
12:20 drojf       i think it is part of vufind these days
12:20 misilot     barton: what's up
12:19 barton      the ptfs version can be found here: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/vufind -- I can't remember the branch name off hand -- probably Koha-Rest or something very similar.
12:18 drojf       i have not had the time to try vufind again (the last time was before the rest driver), so i'm out
12:16 barton      I'm actually using a modified version of the ptfs driver that misilot sent me.
12:15 drojf       the other (old) one uses sql directly
12:15 drojf       the rest driver is the ptfs one
12:15 cait        barton: which driver are you looking at?
12:14 cait        barton: you should talk to someone fromptfs europe maybe
12:10 barton      ... and if anyone considers themselves an expert, perhaps registering here: https://vufind.org/wiki/ils_support_list
12:09 barton      I was wondering if anyone here has experience with VuFind? I'm especially interested in configuring / trouble-shooting the Koha-Rest driver.
12:09 barton      morning #koha!
11:34 matts       hi #koha !
11:13 khall       np!
11:13 cait        thx khall :)
11:11 khall       np!
11:11 nlegrand    khall: ha I have the one in the reports page, but not in tools page... Well, I'll search, thanks again :)
11:09 khall       nlegrand: no, they links should show in the reports page and the tools page
11:09 nlegrand    khall: do the links should appear in the "More" menu on a koha master branch? I see no entry in the template: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/header.inc;hb=HEAD
11:08 cait        i could do it, but not yet signing and might forget
11:08 cait        khall: could you kill the  +use Readonly; too?
11:07 cait        thx!
11:06 khall       cait: I've updated the patch
11:06 khall       wish I had better news for you : \
11:05 nlegrand    thanks anyway
11:05 nlegrand    argh :)
11:04 khall       I'm afraid I'm out of ideas at this point!
11:04 khall       nlegrand: that's no a problem.
11:04 nlegrand    [Fri Jul 24 12:59:36 2015] plugins-upload.pl: Use of uninitialized value $op in string eq at /home/koha/koha-src/plugins/plugins-upload.pl line 91.
11:04 nlegrand    khall: no errors, but, I realised some of my logs where for some reasons in the apache logs dir, and I have this:
11:02 cait        just too worried about conflicts right now - lots of things inthe works there
11:02 khall       cool!
11:01 cait        hope to build that into koha once some of the overdue patches have gone in
11:01 cait        they need your way of grace period calculation but with non-linear fines
11:00 cait        currently trying to adapt the algorithm for a custom fines script...
11:00 cait        i hope to sign it soon
11:00 khall       ok, I'll add a followup then
11:00 cait        hm i get what you meant, but i think it was a little confusing here
10:59 khall       basically, it's to give a name to those two arbitrary values
10:59 cait        and i think you could just do == 1 below?
10:59 khall       you're right about that it seems
10:58 cait        hm INTERVAL_END doesn't seem to be used actually
10:58 cait        why the use of INTERVAL_START? and INTERVAL_END?
10:58 cait        in overdues.p,m
10:58 cait        i am wondering
10:58 khall       yep!
10:57 cait        still there? :)
10:57 huginn`     04Bug 13590: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period
10:57 cait        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13590
10:56 cait        oops
10:56 cait        (12:09:15) cait: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=KohaUsers/Europe&curid=1638&diff=15135&oldid=14934
10:56 cait        khall: i am looking at the grace period bug
10:50 khall       nlegrand: i you apply this diff to your kohaclone you might see the errors: http://paste.koha-community.org/14
10:47 nlegrand    I'm on a fresh master, my db may be a bit weird though.
10:47 nlegrand    khall: no errors
10:47 khall       are there any error messages in your apache logs?
10:46 nlegrand    khall: they have been unzipped in the plugin directory, but I have "No plugins installed" in plugins-home.pl
10:40 khall       sure!
10:39 cait        khall: can you help me out a little later understanding one of your patches?
10:37 khall       try the patron last activity plugin, or the records by biblionumber plugin
10:36 nlegrand    ho right.
10:36 khall       nlegrand: I would try another plugin or two. Usually what that means is some part of the plugin failed to load.
10:35 nlegrand    khall: but it's not listed in plugins-home.pl then
10:35 nlegrand    khall: I have to go directly to plugins-upload to do so, it unzipped it cleanly in /var/lib/plugins
10:34 nlegrand    khall: but It doesn't propose to upload new plugins, and it doesn't list Kitchen Sink once I've uploaded whith plugins-upload.pl
10:34 khall       so you can go to plugins-home.pl and upload a plugin?
10:33 nlegrand    khall: yes
10:33 khall       nlegrand: can you to going to /cgi-bin/koha/plugins/plugins-home.pl for your server?
10:33 nlegrand    khall: then I use direct links and upload Kitchen Sink like said here : <http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/>
10:32 nlegrand    Restarted the server again, same effect
10:32 nlegrand        1
10:32 nlegrand        1
10:32 nlegrand    $ perl -MC4::Context -E "say C4::Context->config("enable_plugins"); say C4::Context->preference('UseKohaPlugins')"
10:32 nlegrand    cait: user is super librarian
10:29 cait        sorry to interrupt, just thought maybe there is a third option missing
10:29 cait        nlegrand: you turned of the pref, gave your user the permissions and koha-conf?
10:28 nlegrand    khall: Thanks! It doesn't seem to work like in the video you made. For example, after enabling both ways and restarting web server, I don't have links.
10:27 khall       sure!
10:27 nlegrand    khall: may I ask you about plugins ?
10:27 cait        khall: plugin queestions :)
10:27 nlegrand    cait: Sink Kitchen first, the idea was more to developpe my owns ^^
10:27 cait        morning khall :)
10:27 nlegrand    \o/
10:27 khall       mornin!
10:27 cait        which plugin were you looking at?
10:26 cait        khall ping :)
10:26 cait        i think you can access them via tools
10:26 nlegrand    Maybe I should wait for someone from ByWaters :), maybe they're still asleep right now :)
10:26 cait        hm?
10:26 nlegrand    cait: for the plugins I've done all that, enabling both ways, restarting server, and I watched Kyle's video. The most basic features, like the link in header.inc are not in the master branch.
10:19 nlegrand    hiya
09:42 cait        both - looking for another code review and maybe some acq testing data
09:42 cait        that's alright
09:42 clrh        for functionnal testings or more technical ?
09:42 clrh        I don't know how to help you
09:42 clrh        ...
09:41 cait        i am a bit stuck on thsoe
09:41 cait        clrh: i am trying, saldy not so much success in finding volunteers to help out with the taxes patches
09:40 huginn`     04Bug 7736: new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, In Discussion , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality
09:40 clrh        cait: +1 ;) http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736#c118 (Hello)
09:33 drojf       i guess it's bad in this case :D
09:32 wahanui     i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:32 cait        interesting
09:31 drojf       i just learned that in bibliotheca plus, you have to send emails manually. you export them, and put them in outlook. and apparently now you even have to send each one manually
09:29 drojf       hi cait
09:29 cait        hi drojf
09:19 drojf       hi #koha
07:35 gaetan_B    hello
06:57 alex_a      bonjour
06:53 wahanui     que tal, reiveune
06:53 reiveune    hello
04:33 Francesca   :)
04:33 cdickinson  Okay, have fun, see you tomorrow :)
04:33 Francesca   see you tomorrow cdickinson , bye #koha
04:33 Francesca   Right I gotta go do stuff now
04:32 Francesca   sweet
04:31 cdickinson  Alright
04:31 Francesca   I'll txt u if plans change, they'll be finnalising timings tonight
04:31 Francesca   yup
04:30 cdickinson  Cool, shortly after 6. I'll note that down and not forget
04:30 Francesca   shouldn't be too crowded there
04:30 Francesca   lets meet outside parliament grounds round the front then
04:27 cdickinson  Cool, done deal then
04:26 Francesca   oh that'd be great!
04:26 cdickinson  my car has petrol and my wallet has pocket lint, so I'm driving in. I'd be able to take you up to the contra dance later, as well, if you want
04:26 Francesca   got it
04:25 cdickinson  PM'd
04:25 cdickinson  you'll probably need my number for that haha
04:25 Francesca   I'll txt you when i get to my phone
04:25 cdickinson  That's true
04:25 Francesca   might be easier than trying to find you in the crowd
04:25 cdickinson  Yeah
04:25 Francesca   I could meet you outside the parliament grounds
04:24 Francesca   Hmmm
04:24 cdickinson  Yeah, that'd be good
04:24 Francesca   you wanna meet up after the performance is finished?
04:23 Francesca   I have to be in kelburn for a contra dance at 7,30 so wasn't planning on staying for the light show
04:23 Francesca   I'll be till just after 6
04:22 cdickinson  are you tied up there the whole time, or what?
04:22 cdickinson  I have decent eyes so hopefully
04:22 Francesca   theres 100 of us
04:22 Francesca   see if u can spot me in the choir
04:21 cdickinson  Yeah, it says it's free
04:21 Francesca   I think its free
04:21 Francesca   yup
04:21 cdickinson  http://www.eventfinda.co.nz/2015/the-big-birthday-party-capital-150/wellington - it's this, right?
04:20 cdickinson  cause I heard about this on TV this morning, but yeah
04:19 cdickinson  Does it cost to get in? :P
04:19 Francesca   tomorrow evening down at parliament
04:18 Francesca   u shld come
04:18 cdickinson  o.O
04:18 Francesca   we're backing up dave dobbyn
04:18 Francesca   and a concert tomorrow
04:18 cdickinson  Ah, nice
04:18 Francesca   Its just I have choir tonight so I needed a rest
04:18 cdickinson  Perfect, cause that's my schedule as well
04:18 Francesca   I'm planning on coming in every friday afternoon
04:17 Francesca   awww I'm touched
04:17 cdickinson  Francesca, you should come in more often, you're fun to have chats with
04:17 Francesca   have fun
04:17 Francesca   ok see ya
04:17 cdickinson  going to go for some not-so-beer o'clock now
04:17 Francesca   cool
04:16 cdickinson  alright, got my work committed
04:14 Francesca   hahahaha I couldn't agree more
04:13 cdickinson  I have a funny feeling "do as I say, not as I do" is going to be a saying that will feature a lot in the future for me
04:13 cdickinson  I would, you're exactly right
04:12 Francesca   wouldn't you?
04:12 Francesca   I'd much rather build a website than write an essay
04:12 Francesca   any uni related work e.g.: quizs, assignments come much lower down the list
04:12 Francesca   in my mind
04:11 Francesca   catalyst and music are equal
04:11 Francesca   oh shh
04:11 cdickinson  well, that's what I'd say to myself anyway
04:11 cdickinson  priorities are straight as per usual, I see :D
04:10 Francesca   right now I should attempt to find my sheet music, after all I do need it tonight
04:10 Francesca   I'm gonna try running my vm another time when I haven't got so much other stuff open on my desktop
04:09 cdickinson  surprise surprise, pythian is a real word
04:08 cdickinson  that's alright
04:04 Francesca   hmmm eythian auto correct thinks you are pythian
04:04 Francesca   thanks for the help pythian, wizzyrea, cdickinson
04:04 Francesca   its a 3 hour one
04:03 * Francesca is going to sleep before rehearsal tonight
04:03 * eythian   will go for beer now instead though
04:03 * eythian   would copy-paste into pastebin
04:03 * Francesca is giving up for now
04:02 Francesca   in the vm
04:02 Francesca   I'll let you know when I can work out how to screenshot
04:00 wizzyrea    (it shows you what's eating up your resources)
04:00 eythian     specifically, the one inside the vm
03:59 wizzyrea    :)
03:59 wizzyrea    I think he means type "top" into your terminal
03:59 cdickinson  top is a terminal command, Francesca
03:59 eythian     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE <-- also not what top says
03:59 Francesca   I'm confused
03:59 eythian     that is not what top says
03:58 Francesca   f-vm [running]
03:58 eythian     what does top say?
03:58 cdickinson  maybe something is happening in the background?
03:57 Francesca   and the vm is back to running slow
03:56 francesca_  so is the tiny little common room at the music school
03:56 francesca_  uhh wishbone is fairly popular
03:55 cdickinson  you music people seem like a rare species
03:54 cdickinson  putting aside the fact that I was making a joke about how people spend too much time at Vic, what I meant to say was where do you hang out and study and stuff :P
03:53 francesca_  as far as I know
03:53 francesca_  not music students
03:52 cdickinson  a surprising amount of people crawl into small areas to sleep
03:52 francesca_  nah everyone knows we live in pianos
03:52 eythian     they live in the small holes in trees.
03:51 francesca_  cas I live at home
03:51 francesca_  are you asking for hall of residence?
03:51 francesca_  what do you mean?
03:51 cdickinson  where do music students normally live at Vic?
03:51 cdickinson  Awesome, good to hear
03:50 francesca_  thats when I'll be in next
03:50 francesca_  I can always show you next friday
03:50 francesca_  right I'll keep that in mind
03:48 cdickinson  if it still slows down, only other thing I can think of is check that 3D Acceleration is enabled... it should be enabled by default but you never know
03:48 francesca_  *be
03:47 francesca_  seems to bw fine now
03:47 cdickinson  is it still slow? cause if there is enough RAM and you have guest additions installed, I'm stumped haha
03:44 francesca_  time to install bugzilla
03:44 francesca_  right
03:42 francesca_  just not the one with ubuntu installed
03:41 francesca_  I ssh into my vagrant vm
03:41 eythian     also, it uses a lot less resources
03:41 francesca_  i like that idea
03:41 cdickinson  Remoting into the server allows you to use your desktop GUI, rather than being confined to a small window
03:41 eythian     so you should be using it the way that servers are used, not the way desktop computers are used.
03:41 francesca_  ok
03:40 eythian     effectively, you have a small server inside your mac now.
03:40 eythian     nobody uses servers with a gui because it's a terrible idea
03:40 francesca_  eythian: slightly confused
03:40 francesca_  and have enabled them
03:40 francesca_  yeah
03:40 eythian     future step is to work SSHed into the VM rather than on its console, and remove all the GUI stuff altogether.
03:40 cdickinson  okay, so you DO have the guest extensions installed then
03:40 francesca_  thanks cdickinson
03:39 francesca_  yup it works
03:39 francesca_  </Directory>
03:39 francesca_  AllowOverride Limit FileInfo Indexes Options
03:39 francesca_  DirectoryIndex index.cgi index.html
03:39 francesca_  Options +ExecCGI +FollowSymLinks
03:39 francesca_  AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
03:39 francesca_  (copied from mac) <Directory /Library/WebServer/Documents/bugzilla>
03:39 francesca_  right using irc from the vm now
03:38 cdickinson  try copy and pasting text. Files, I'm not sure if it does that
03:38 Francesca   right vm up and running
03:37 Francesca   ask siri to do it
03:37 Francesca   hahahahaha
03:37 cdickinson  just to make sure I was living in reality
03:37 cdickinson  if that happened to me, I'd immediately go and try to divide by zero
03:36 * Francesca is dying of laughter
03:36 mtj         hmmm, would be interesting to run some benchmarks on various VMs
03:36 eythian     that'll be a confusing day.
03:36 eythian     one day quantum tunneling will cause you to pass right htrough
03:36 Francesca   hahahahahahaha
03:36 cdickinson  at least once a week, I walk into my own bedroom door while trying to open it
03:36 Francesca   Really? wow
03:35 cdickinson  it's okay, I can do worse
03:35 wahanui     Since Wed Jul 15 22:30:23 2015, there have been 147 modifications and 34 questions.  I have been awake for 8 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 44594 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
03:35 eythian     wahanui: status
03:35 Francesca   my brain is not working today
03:35 Francesca   cdickinson: I figured
03:35 wahanui     :)
03:35 Francesca   wahanui: botsnack cookie
03:34 cdickinson  * Francesca realises stupidly that she already had agh of memory <--- that's what I was trying to point out
03:34 Francesca   hahahahahahahaha I love it
03:34 Francesca   and auto correct has returned with a vengeance
03:34 wahanui     facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity.
03:34 eythian     wahanui: facepalm
03:34 Francesca   faceplate faceplate facepalm
03:33 * Francesca realises stupidly that she already had agh of memory
03:32 Francesca   then I'll start up the vm and let you know
03:32 Francesca   just gotta increase the memory (I haven't done it yet)
03:32 Francesca   they were disabled but I've enabled them now
03:31 cdickinson  Let me know if it works
03:31 cdickinson  restart your VM
03:31 Francesca   mind reader
03:31 Francesca   I was just about to ask that
03:31 cdickinson  Might as well enable drag n drop as well
03:31 cdickinson  flip that to bidirectional
03:31 cdickinson  go to the General tab, then Advanced -> Shared Clipboard
03:30 Francesca   yup
03:30 cdickinson  Still got the settings window for the VM open?
03:30 cdickinson  sorry, no question mark, it is
03:30 cdickinson  the bidirectional clipboard is something you have to enable specifically?
03:30 Francesca   nope
03:30 Francesca   can't remember rangi and I set up the vm much earlier in the year
03:30 cdickinson  are you not able to do that at the moment?
03:29 Francesca   yes I want the one that allows copying between my os and the vb
03:29 cdickinson  do you know if you've installed it, Francesca?
03:29 cdickinson  it's especially important for Linux as it includes drivers for the 3D graphics
03:28 mtj         .. on a macbook pro (mid 2012), with an SSD drive
03:28 cdickinson  VirtualBox includes some guest extensions that should be installed on the VMs in order to improve performance and stuff
03:28 cdickinson  there is one more thing
03:28 Francesca   thanks mtj, dickinson, eythian
03:27 Francesca   then
03:27 Francesca   1gb it is the
03:27 Francesca   okey doke
03:27 mtj         Francesca:  many of my vbox VMs are only 1gig RAM, with no speed problems
03:27 cdickinson  you said it's already at 1024MB, and that you'd be bumping it up to 1GB. 1GB is 1024MB, so that would do nothing
03:27 Francesca   I think I'm confusing myself
03:27 Francesca   cdickinson: you seem confused, am I confusing you?
03:26 Francesca   the most I'll be doing on it for the moment is installing bugzilla and creating a new skin
03:26 cdickinson  1024MB == 1GB?
03:26 Francesca   I'll bump it up to 1gb for now
03:25 cdickinson  it certainly doesn't hurt to
03:24 Francesca   but I can increase the allowance if you think thats a better idea
03:24 Francesca   mm thats the way I set up the vm with rangi
03:24 Francesca   not sure I know what ssd is
03:24 Francesca   the one from last year yeah
03:23 mtj         Francesca: youve got a recent macbook pro, with an ssd ?
03:23 cdickinson  the less RAM you have, the more it has to swap to disk, and that's REALLY slow
03:23 cdickinson  1024MB will work, but you've got RAM to spare
03:23 Francesca   I've got 1024 mb
03:23 cdickinson  https://support.apple.com/kb/SP703?viewlocale=en_NZ&locale=en_NZ
03:22 Francesca   pro
03:22 cdickinson  Base Memory is the amount of RAM you've got allocated to it. I usually dedicate 2GB for any VM I'm doing serious work on
03:22 mtj         ah, yep.. youve got an mac air huh?
03:21 Francesca   but other than that its fine
03:21 Francesca   hmm I've had problems with the speed
03:21 mtj         hey Francesca, fwiw... i run a debian vbox on osx, no problems
03:20 cdickinson  click on the "System" tab thing
03:20 cdickinson  right click on the VM in the manager -> Settings
03:20 Francesca   how do I do that?
03:20 Francesca   I'm listning
03:20 eythian     check the RAM allocated to the VM
03:19 cdickinson  actually, there is one more thing
03:19 cdickinson  Not exactly a powerhouse, but it should work decently enough
03:19 * Francesca starts up virtual box
03:19 Francesca   arghh I give up
03:18 Francesca   2014 model
03:18 Francesca   mackbook pro 13inch retina screen
03:18 cdickinson  do you know what model MacBook you have?
03:17 Francesca   ok so thats not the problem then
03:17 cdickinson  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203296 - according to this, it IS enabled by default when running Mac OS
03:16 Francesca   I should check that first
03:16 Francesca   if it is off
03:16 Francesca   I will go and find out how to turn it on
03:16 Francesca   why?? what is the point in turning off something so useful
03:16 cdickinson  but for some stupid reason, almost everybody turns it off by default
03:16 Francesca   I know nothing about configuring my laptop
03:16 eythian     using a mac will be quite like pushing poo uphill.
03:16 cdickinson  Francesca: there is a hardware feature called virtualisation extensions that make running VMs fast
03:15 Francesca   for all I know about websites and code
03:15 * Francesca is slightly confused niw
03:15 cdickinson  way, way too many computers come like that
03:15 cdickinson  Or maybe it's disabled by default
03:15 eythian     for example, maybe the CPU doesn't have virtualisation extensions.
03:15 cdickinson  that's true
03:15 eythian     it's not a given that that is the issue
03:15 Francesca   in the meantime I'll just keep going on mac
03:14 Francesca   I don't think I know how to do that
03:14 Francesca   umm ok
03:14 cdickinson  you need to allocate more resources to the VM
03:14 Francesca   I have virtual box installed
03:14 Francesca   it runs so slow though
03:14 cdickinson  just having a normal VM is probably less of a pain
03:13 * Francesca needs to get ubuntu dual booted on her laptop
03:13 Francesca   okey doke thanks
03:13 cdickinson  Francesca, use "sudo [text editor] /etc/apache2/httpd.conf"
03:13 eythian     that's where my knowledge of real systems keeps going, and knowlege of macs stops.
03:13 wizzyrea    in terminal.
03:13 wizzyrea    in the directory with the config file
03:13 wizzyrea    ls -lah should tell you useful things
03:13 Francesca   Has worked for me so far
03:12 eythian     I don't know
03:12 cdickinson  does Mac OS support sudo?
03:12 Francesca   how do I check if it has root privileges on a mac?
03:12 eythian     and that text editor will need root privileges
03:12 Francesca   it won't let me save changes
03:12 Francesca   yeah tried that
03:12 eythian     you need to edit it with a text editor
03:12 Francesca   according to bugzilla I've got to be able to edit the configuration file
03:12 eythian     which isn't a thing that makes sense
03:11 eythian     you're asking the system to run it
03:11 eythian     yeah
03:11 Francesca   heres the error -bash: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Permission denied
03:11 eythian     that is probably not a thing you want to do.
03:11 eythian     if you put that line into a shell, you're telling it to run that.
03:11 Francesca   absolutely no idea
03:11 eythian     what is telling it to say "permission denied"?
03:11 Francesca   when I put this line /etc/apache2/httpd.conf in the terminal and hit enter
03:11 eythian     the terminal only shows things that other programs tell it to show
03:10 Francesca   terminal
03:10 eythian     and what is it that says "permission denied"?
03:10 Francesca   Text editor
03:10 eythian     what is "brackets"?
03:10 eythian     what are you trying to do, and what is the result you are getting?
03:10 Francesca   it says permission denied
03:10 Francesca   the terminal won't open it or do whatever its supposed to do
03:09 Francesca   brackets lets me edit but not save the apache configuration file
03:09 cdickinson  what's the error?
03:09 cdickinson  for it not saving changes?
03:09 Francesca   got any ideas or brilliant solutions
03:08 cdickinson  yep
03:08 Francesca   anyone around still?
03:06 Francesca   grrrrrr
03:06 Francesca   now the computer won't let me save the changes to the apache file
03:06 Francesca   oh fantastic
02:59 Francesca   right now onto configuring apache with mod_cgi
02:59 Francesca   hahahaha bye hi pianohacker
02:58 wahanui     other way is to pass the array as an arrayref
02:58 pianohacker other way
02:58 pianohacker I mean hi
02:58 eythian     hi
02:58 pianohacker bye
02:58 eythian     np
02:58 Francesca   thanks eythian
02:58 Francesca   restart apache it is
02:57 Francesca   okey doke
02:57 eythian     I would skip that instruction then
02:56 Francesca   can't find any log format line at all
02:56 eythian     it might not be identical, you might have a newer version or something,
02:56 eythian     look for a logformat line
02:55 eythian     oh
02:55 Francesca   that guide
02:55 Francesca   https://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing/apache.html#apache
02:55 eythian     also, what guide?
02:54 eythian     I don't feel like that line would be necessary
02:54 Francesca   which according to the guide I'm following it should
02:53 Francesca   LogFormat "%v:%p %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %O \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" vhost_combined
02:53 Francesca   my apache configuration file doesn't seem to have this line
02:53 cdickinson  and passionfruit juice, man that stuff is glorious
02:53 cdickinson  beer, cider, some shots fly around
02:53 * Francesca has a problem
02:52 eythian     there will probably be some of that here too
02:52 tcohen      heh
02:52 tcohen      here is cabernet-sauvignon o'clock
02:52 huginn`     Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on July 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
02:52 Francesca   @wunder wlg
02:52 eythian     later :)
02:52 tcohen      heh
02:52 eythian     an hour from beer o'clock
02:52 tcohen      have a good day/nght
02:51 eythian     it's only mid-afternoon, tcohen
02:51 tcohen      just to say hi, is really late already
02:51 tcohen      thanks eythian
02:51 tcohen      hi
02:50 eythian     tcohen: also, I uploaded new master packages with my patches in them
02:49 wahanui     hey, eythian
02:49 eythian     tcohen: hi
02:49 * Francesca waves at tcohen
02:49 Francesca   we talk to someone else instead
02:49 Francesca   oh I don't think he actually knows whats going on with internships
02:49 cdickinson  actually, I'd rather not go through Summer of Tech at all
02:48 cdickinson  I was just going to have a chat with rangi or something about the avenues I'd need to go through, if there is nothing on Summer of Tech
02:48 Francesca   no worries, it'd be cool to do an internship with you
02:48 Francesca   once I hear back that is
02:48 cdickinson  That'd be awesome, thanks Francesca
02:48 Francesca   I'll pass the info onto you if you like
02:47 Francesca   cool, I'm just about to get in touch and ask what we need to do
02:47 cdickinson  absolutely
02:47 cdickinson  my supervisors say to look forward to feedback from one particular marker though x_x
02:47 Francesca   you still planning to apply for the internship this summer?
02:46 Francesca   glad to hear it
02:46 cdickinson  Got some good feedback
02:46 cdickinson  it went well enough
02:46 cdickinson  yet it wasn't a disaster
02:46 cdickinson  ended up getting there just before I was up, tired, gasping for air, unhappy
02:46 Francesca   but it went well?
02:45 Francesca   oh dear
02:45 Francesca   hahaha those are the best
02:45 cdickinson  first up at 3pm, had to go move my car at 2:30pm because I couldn't find a park anywhere
02:45 cdickinson  ended up doing all the prep for it yesterday morning, didn't make a script or anything, all ad lib
02:45 Francesca   do go on
02:45 Francesca   oh?
02:44 cdickinson  how it went still makes me laugh
02:44 Francesca   stupid autocorrect
02:44 Francesca   cdickinson
02:44 * Francesca sighs
02:44 Francesca   how did ur presentation go dickinson?
02:43 Francesca   might be something to do with the fact I have a lot of extra choir stuff this week
02:43 Francesca   yeah doesn't does it
02:42 cdickinson  doesn't bode well :P
02:42 cdickinson  only the second week of the trimester and you're saying that
02:41 * Francesca is tired
00:02 Francesca   I need to retain some of my sanity and that unfortunately means doing uni work
00:02 Francesca   I have rehearsal tonight which is why I'm not coming in this afternoon
00:01 Francesca   Orpheus is dave dobbins backup
00:01 Francesca   u coming?
00:01 Francesca   yup
00:00 wizzyrea    are you singing at the capital 150 thing on saturday?