Time Nick Message
22:31 mtompset stares at whom and where?
22:10 * tcohen stares with suspicious face
22:07 * tcohen tries to remember if there's anyone from him
22:06 mtompset 190 needs sign off.
22:02 tcohen 190?
22:01 mtompset Did I blink?!
22:01 mtompset 190?!
22:00 tcohen mtompset: there are some easy to tset on your list
21:58 tcohen ribasushi: who invented dbix syntax?
21:56 tcohen mtompset: i take breaks :)
21:53 pianohacker bye all, be back tonight
21:52 mtompset If you need a break from those intense ones. :)
21:52 tcohen rda patches are on my working branch already
21:51 mtompset I understand. :)
21:51 tcohen there were bugfixes which have a bit higher priority
21:50 tcohen will cover all of them
21:50 tcohen today i pushed 11 i think
21:50 tcohen therest are ok
21:49 mtompset I had a pain rebasing it into my 3.20.x hack branch.
21:48 mtompset Though, I think there may be an issue with what is currently there.
21:48 mtompset I thought he was revising it in other bugs.
21:47 tcohen marcelr is revising it
21:46 tcohen 6874 is on hold
21:46 mtompset Not all are mine, but I'd like to shrink the number of branches I have. :)
21:46 mtompset 6874
21:46 mtompset 14487
21:46 mtompset 14240
21:45 mtompset 13948
21:45 mtompset 12357
21:43 mtompset Can I list you some bug numbers that have passed QA? :)
21:43 * tcohen clarifies it was a cumpliment
21:43 mtompset speaking of obsessive. :)
21:42 tcohen nah, you are too obsessive, was just a joke
21:42 mtompset I may have been me once.
21:42 mtompset I check, and it is usually someone else.
21:42 tcohen :-P
21:42 tcohen mtompset: serial jenkins breaker
21:42 mtompset I stop looking after the 3rd email. :)
21:42 pianohacker that's how the test suite used to be, and nobody paid any attention to it
21:41 pianohacker yeah
21:41 tcohen the devs stop bothering to take a look at the regressions they introduce
21:41 tcohen because once tests fail for more than a week
21:41 pianohacker cait's gonna be thrilled to hear about that...
21:41 tcohen i'm tempted to just remove the shuffle option switch
21:41 mtompset I think a vulgar explicative is in order: holy excrement!
21:40 tcohen that's why jenkins is constantly failing in master
21:40 tcohen mtompset: yes
21:40 tcohen we should build test cases inside subtests so there aren't unnecesary side effects inside the same .t
21:40 pianohacker (the failure, not the reordering)
21:40 pianohacker *shiver* that's terrifying
21:40 mtompset We have failures when the .t order is randomized?!
21:39 pianohacker makes sense
21:39 tcohen exactly, only teh .t files
21:39 pianohacker tcohen: and, just to be clear, this is reordering the .t files, not the tests within them, correct?
21:39 tcohen but there must have been situations in which we inadvertedly passed tests only because they were run after another test
21:38 tcohen i think that's the aim
21:38 pianohacker why is that? I thought the only dependency for most of the tests was a full installation of the sample data?
21:37 pianohacker ... joy
21:37 tcohen and they of course, fail randomly
21:37 tcohen prove -s
21:37 tcohen i told jenkins to run the tests randomly
21:37 tcohen which is causing me a lot of headaches
21:37 pianohacker right...
21:37 tcohen yeah, and we don't test on other tests' side-effects
21:36 pianohacker that's reasonable, it makes the generation of test data a lot better
21:36 pianohacker ah, okay :)
21:36 tcohen :-D
21:36 tcohen yes, because it fills all foreign constrains with random data :-D
21:36 pianohacker does it depend on a wrapping $dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0 / $dbh->rollback?
21:35 tcohen Yohann Dafour
21:35 mtompset Actually, if you changed the line I suggested, tcohen, then you could set the params in a $self->params in the initialize routine without having to make the change you did.
21:35 pianohacker ah, right
21:35 tcohen it was an intern from biblibre
21:34 tcohen and I also create random items
21:34 pianohacker who made that again?
21:34 pianohacker niiiiice!
21:34 tcohen single line thing
21:34 tcohen create a couple random itypes, a random branch, a random borrower
21:33 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "pianohacker: TestBuilder goodness" (49 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/16
21:33 pianohacker oh, nvm
21:33 tcohen mtompset: I answered, even
21:33 pianohacker mtompset: yup, but jcamins is probably the only person likely to be helpful :)
21:32 pianohacker absolutely, definitely interested
21:32 mtompset tcohen and pianohacker: Did you see my koha-devel email question? :)
21:32 tcohen can i show u?
21:32 tcohen but building the test wasn't
21:32 tcohen it is trivial to solve (have a patch already)
21:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn
21:32 tcohen i'm writing a regression test for bug 14598
21:31 tcohen without any assumptions on the db data
21:31 pianohacker oh really? What are you working on?
21:31 tcohen makes writing integration tests pretty simple
21:31 tcohen I have to say I like it :-D
21:30 tcohen i was giving TestBuilder my frst real-life usage
21:30 tcohen hi pianohacker
21:28 pianohacker also hi :)
21:28 pianohacker tcohen: RE: your question earlier (if it's still relevant), C4::Context->marcfromkohafield ?
21:27 tcohen hi there
21:20 huginn` pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
21:20 pianohacker @later tell cait well, later than wanted, but I posted a sandbox for bug 11559
20:48 huginn` pianohacker: ashimema was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, 5 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ashimema> morning
20:48 pianohacker @seen ashimema
20:39 drojf a multitude of mtompsets
20:29 drojf tonys: great
20:29 mtompset Strangely, true again. Silly reports due in a week.
20:29 tonys drojf: thank you for the sucessful help.. everything works again...
20:29 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
20:29 bag heya mtompset
20:28 drojf hi mtompset
20:28 mtompset Greetings, drojf bag.
20:26 tonys drojf: thank you I found it so let me take a look and see if the user is stil there.
20:25 drojf tonys: assuming you are on an installation with debian packages and your instance is called Library (from what you posted before), it would be in /etc/koha/sites/Library/koha-conf.xml
20:23 tonys drofj>> don't see to be able to find the file you recommended
20:19 tonys okay let me check the file first
20:18 drojf tonys: the database user should still be there (info in koha-conf.xml), or you could just remove the instance and recreate it
20:17 bag ah you too cait
20:17 huginn` bag: cait was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 17 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <cait> have a nice weekend #koha
20:17 bag @seen cait
20:16 tonys I made a mistake and deleted all the patron files in Koha and it got rid of all my user and admin logins ... anyone know what I need to do to get at least the default back in place
19:39 pianohacker happy to help, have a nice day :)
19:38 tonys Thank you again
19:37 pianohacker tonys: glad to hear!
19:35 tonys Just did that and now it works.... I must be brain fryed but thank you so much pianohacker
19:34 pianohacker tonys: run sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
19:33 tonys <pianohacker> I'm still getting that default page
19:31 huginn` mtompset: jcamins was last seen in #koha 5 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <jcamins> Hehe.
19:31 mtompset @seen jcamins
19:31 mtompset jcamins: Can I ask you a question about Koha::RecordProcessor?
19:31 tonys Greeting mtompset
19:31 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker tonys.
19:31 pianohacker tonys: try just default then
19:30 pianohacker hi mtompset
19:30 mtompset That I exist, or something else? ;)
19:30 tonys My error got it -- indicates 000.default doesn't exsist
19:30 pianohacker *blink* that's odd.
19:29 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:29 tonys can't find the a2dissite
19:27 pianohacker tonys: sudo a2dissite 000.default
19:27 tonys sorry library.conf
19:27 tonys pianohacker <<< 000.default and Library
19:22 pianohacker tonys: what's in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ directory?
19:20 tonys Ubuntu 12.04
19:20 pianohacker tonys: what linux distro?
19:19 tonys Is anyone here that could help me understand why my :80 doesn't bring up the OPAC but it brings up the Apache "This Works" page. Port 8080 is walking just fine.
18:19 tcohen how do i get a value of a specific column from a result set?
18:09 pianohacker np
18:09 tcohen oh, sorry
18:09 pianohacker tcohen: we're on a call atm
18:09 tcohen khall: around?
18:06 tcohen there's no such a thing as an API for that!
18:06 tcohen oh my
18:05 * tcohen laughs nervously
18:04 tcohen through the API of course
18:04 tcohen quick question: anyone remembers how to query a koha<->marc mapping?
17:26 gaetan_B bye
17:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14107: Patron cards: Make barcode width and height scaling editable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b23fb8b211c3fbedadc8b67bf294b65ed2ddf2d> / Bug 14268: Followup - instruction for preftype selection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6c8de6503c41996c37cff79665bd4c7498a9e55> / Bug 14268: Use dropdown for variable types <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
17:05 xarragon gracias
17:05 tcohen de nada
17:05 xarragon tcohen: very*
17:04 xarragon tcohen: Thank you veryt much!
17:03 tcohen xarragon: u r welcome
17:03 xarragon Much more compact and complete!
17:03 xarragon Oh, I like.
17:03 xarragon It better be l33t since I can no longer do the "dumping pun" when I use it..
17:02 xarragon "colored pretty-printer"
17:01 tcohen warn p($object);
17:01 tcohen xarragon: I always usa Data::Printer
17:00 xarragon And for some reason I imagined that Dumper would print the methods.
17:00 xarragon Okay, thanks for the mental support.
16:59 xarragon I see it in the bash scrollback.
16:59 xarragon Ah, yes, I fixed the error by using the XML module.. But went on adding dumping code
16:59 tcohen xarragon: it is friday, it is supposed to be like that on fridays
16:58 xarragon I was probably just missing to use it then. Called the as_xml() on a record object without using it. Makes sense, since I pasted in parts from another file into a small test script.
16:58 tcohen http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GMCHARLT/MARC-XML-1.0.3/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm
16:58 tcohen it extends MARC::Record/MARC::File injecting more methods
16:57 tcohen isn't it?
16:57 tcohen MARC::File::XML includes MARC::Record
16:57 xarragon Because I belive I changed that before starting to Data::Dump all over..
16:56 tcohen xarragon: i don't think so
16:56 xarragon tcohen:Does the MARC::File::XML has to be used before the MARC::Record?
16:56 tcohen he's always around, looking after his beloved lib
16:55 tcohen it is gmcharlt's aura
16:55 xarragon tcohen: Uh, it actually works now.. magically
16:54 tcohen yeap
16:54 xarragon tcohen: Hm, it was supposed to be as_xml() actually
16:51 tcohen xarragon: are you sure?
16:50 gaetan_B :D
16:50 tcohen gaetan_B: you rock
16:50 gaetan_B :) nice way to end the week i guess!
16:50 tcohen khall: sorry to hear!
16:50 tcohen gaetan_B++
16:50 xarragon Okay, probably something obvious.. But my MARC::Record objects do not have a to_xml() method, even when MARC::File::XML is used. Anyone know what it can be?
16:46 khall oops, wrong channel!
16:45 khall what's the zoom url we were using?
16:45 khall heydevs so my mac pro won't even boot now
16:45 drojf great!
16:44 gaetan_B it worked, thanks drojf!
16:41 reiveune bye
16:41 gaetan_B aaah this looks promising :)
16:40 drojf get the commitid from git log
16:40 gaetan_B no, probably because, my vm is in an lxc container, but i am sending the git-bz commands from outside the container
16:40 drojf i did it before with git bz attach -e xxxx <commitid of first commit, e.g. b50ea9bd>^..
16:39 drojf *did
16:39 drojf but it dod not work?
16:39 gaetan_B i have tried doing git bz attach -e 12252 HEAD~^5.. which seemed like it was what i wanted from reading the wiki
16:38 gaetan_B i have to attach them to bugzilla now
16:38 gaetan_B i have already applied and tested all patches
16:37 tcohen gaetan_B: I usually do git bz apply -s BUG#
16:37 gaetan_B well that's what i am looking at right now
16:36 drojf gaetan_B: does that help? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Bugs_with_more_than_one_patch
16:33 gaetan_B just not too sure about myself here
16:33 gaetan_B i have 6 patches to attach so i feel like doing git bz attach -e 12252 HEAD~^5 would do
16:31 gaetan_B that whole HEAD~2^ thing is not very clear to me
16:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH GetRecord result doesn't include item data
16:31 gaetan_B hi tcohen, i'm busy signing off bug 12252, but i'm not sure how to sign off multiple patches at once
15:49 tcohen late morning
13:26 misilot My code does make some alterations I believe to show shelving location instead of which library has it, since we are a single branch
13:26 misilot I need to clean it up a bunch, but I might try and do that when I'm on vacation next week and try and get it submitted to VuFind.
13:25 misilot barton: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/tree/fit-koharest here is the branch with our current production code
13:25 misilot barton: but we have VuFind running just like we did with our previous vendor. Possibly even a little smoother
13:24 barton hm. I'm going to have some fun playing with that...
13:19 misilot barton: think of it is the pre rest/ rest driver for Koha
13:19 barton A little experience will trump a lot of theory.
13:18 misilot barton: http://demo.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl
13:18 barton I think that perhaps I need to learn more about Koha's ILSDI as well... it's not a corner of Koha that I've played in before.
13:16 misilot I haven't had time to or want enough to care about that little misconecption, since our fines are put into the Finance system for the university
13:16 misilot and all items checked out = previously checked out
13:16 barton ah.
13:16 misilot the fine page I mean not the overdue page
13:15 misilot The only wonky thing is, the overdue page in VuFind, it shows all items checked out
13:15 barton nod.
13:15 misilot As long as the ILSDI driver allows it, I can do it
13:15 misilot that
13:14 misilot yes, i can ^^
13:14 barton you can't do anything lik placing holds via VuFind.
13:13 misilot I can place holds/renewal/cancel holds etc through the ILSDI driver
13:13 misilot barton: what do you mean?
13:13 barton misilot: nod ... so you're treating Koha as read-only, correct?
13:09 misilot since the external source is doing that
13:09 misilot the username is our *identifier* for koha so I just look up based on ID and don't actually authenticate the patron
13:07 misilot barton: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/commit/911cbbeb3258d7d5087f3c664e51bc7afa314d0e#diff-9e1a55e9135382338c9c9bc0d5629549R1498
13:07 barton cait, misilot, drojf : just added http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/External_Integration -- pretty bare bones at the moment, but it's a start.
13:00 cait have a nice weekend #koha
12:33 barton misilot++
12:32 misilot let me try and put my custom code up into a branch on github, and see if I can walk you through it. I'm not using LDAP for VuFind, but I am using CAS so it may be similar enough
12:31 barton I don't have clue 1 about how that's called or how it interacts with Koha.
12:30 barton Yeah, that's one of the places that I'm running into trouble as well: the site that I'm integrating with is using LDAP; as soon as it hits user data, it's prompting for a login, and I have no clue about the plumbing inside Vufind that's making that happen... I can see a login method inside the KohaRest driver (or something like that)... but I don
12:26 misilot for users
12:26 misilot i just need to figure out a better way to gracefully handle the custom parts of authentication that we added. where I do not use koha username and passwords for authenticating to the backend
12:26 barton nod.
12:25 misilot possibly
12:25 misilot i'm gonna try and put some of my changes out there publically and try and get them merged into VuFind stable possibl
12:25 misilot ah ok :)
12:24 barton time to back up and get a better idea of what I'm doing.
12:24 barton misilot: well, yes and no... I think that a good chunk of my problem right now is that I just don't know enough about VuFind in general... I've been going down very specific avenues, without any context.
12:21 misilot wasn't sure if you needed any help with it
12:21 misilot ah :)
12:21 barton your name came up :-)
12:21 barton misilot: talking about vufind in general. I was giving back-story.
12:21 cait i amnot sure what happened
12:21 cait i think they had a request going to get it integrated
12:20 cait koha-driver
12:20 drojf i think it is part of vufind these days
12:20 misilot barton: what's up
12:19 barton the ptfs version can be found here: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/vufind -- I can't remember the branch name off hand -- probably Koha-Rest or something very similar.
12:18 drojf i have not had the time to try vufind again (the last time was before the rest driver), so i'm out
12:16 barton I'm actually using a modified version of the ptfs driver that misilot sent me.
12:15 drojf the other (old) one uses sql directly
12:15 drojf the rest driver is the ptfs one
12:15 cait barton: which driver are you looking at?
12:14 cait barton: you should talk to someone fromptfs europe maybe
12:10 barton ... and if anyone considers themselves an expert, perhaps registering here: https://vufind.org/wiki/ils_support_list
12:09 barton I was wondering if anyone here has experience with VuFind? I'm especially interested in configuring / trouble-shooting the Koha-Rest driver.
12:09 barton morning #koha!
11:34 matts hi #koha !
11:13 khall np!
11:13 cait thx khall :)
11:11 khall np!
11:11 nlegrand khall: ha I have the one in the reports page, but not in tools page... Well, I'll search, thanks again :)
11:09 khall nlegrand: no, they links should show in the reports page and the tools page
11:09 nlegrand khall: do the links should appear in the "More" menu on a koha master branch? I see no entry in the template: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/header.inc;hb=HEAD
11:08 cait i could do it, but not yet signing and might forget
11:08 cait khall: could you kill the +use Readonly; too?
11:07 cait thx!
11:06 khall cait: I've updated the patch
11:06 khall wish I had better news for you : \
11:05 nlegrand thanks anyway
11:05 nlegrand argh :)
11:04 khall I'm afraid I'm out of ideas at this point!
11:04 khall nlegrand: that's no a problem.
11:04 nlegrand [Fri Jul 24 12:59:36 2015] plugins-upload.pl: Use of uninitialized value $op in string eq at /home/koha/koha-src/plugins/plugins-upload.pl line 91.
11:04 nlegrand khall: no errors, but, I realised some of my logs where for some reasons in the apache logs dir, and I have this:
11:02 cait just too worried about conflicts right now - lots of things inthe works there
11:02 khall cool!
11:01 cait hope to build that into koha once some of the overdue patches have gone in
11:01 cait they need your way of grace period calculation but with non-linear fines
11:00 cait currently trying to adapt the algorithm for a custom fines script...
11:00 cait i hope to sign it soon
11:00 khall ok, I'll add a followup then
11:00 cait hm i get what you meant, but i think it was a little confusing here
10:59 khall basically, it's to give a name to those two arbitrary values
10:59 cait and i think you could just do == 1 below?
10:59 khall you're right about that it seems
10:58 cait hm INTERVAL_END doesn't seem to be used actually
10:58 cait why the use of INTERVAL_START? and INTERVAL_END?
10:58 cait in overdues.p,m
10:58 cait i am wondering
10:58 khall yep!
10:57 cait still there? :)
10:57 huginn` 04Bug 13590: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period
10:57 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13590
10:56 cait oops
10:56 cait (12:09:15) cait: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=KohaUsers/Europe&curid=1638&diff=15135&oldid=14934
10:56 cait khall: i am looking at the grace period bug
10:50 khall nlegrand: i you apply this diff to your kohaclone you might see the errors: http://paste.koha-community.org/14
10:47 nlegrand I'm on a fresh master, my db may be a bit weird though.
10:47 nlegrand khall: no errors
10:47 khall are there any error messages in your apache logs?
10:46 nlegrand khall: they have been unzipped in the plugin directory, but I have "No plugins installed" in plugins-home.pl
10:40 khall sure!
10:39 cait khall: can you help me out a little later understanding one of your patches?
10:37 khall try the patron last activity plugin, or the records by biblionumber plugin
10:36 nlegrand ho right.
10:36 khall nlegrand: I would try another plugin or two. Usually what that means is some part of the plugin failed to load.
10:35 nlegrand khall: but it's not listed in plugins-home.pl then
10:35 nlegrand khall: I have to go directly to plugins-upload to do so, it unzipped it cleanly in /var/lib/plugins
10:34 nlegrand khall: but It doesn't propose to upload new plugins, and it doesn't list Kitchen Sink once I've uploaded whith plugins-upload.pl
10:34 khall so you can go to plugins-home.pl and upload a plugin?
10:33 nlegrand khall: yes
10:33 khall nlegrand: can you to going to /cgi-bin/koha/plugins/plugins-home.pl for your server?
10:33 nlegrand khall: then I use direct links and upload Kitchen Sink like said here : <http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/>
10:32 nlegrand Restarted the server again, same effect
10:32 nlegrand 1
10:32 nlegrand 1
10:32 nlegrand $ perl -MC4::Context -E "say C4::Context->config("enable_plugins"); say C4::Context->preference('UseKohaPlugins')"
10:32 nlegrand cait: user is super librarian
10:29 cait sorry to interrupt, just thought maybe there is a third option missing
10:29 cait nlegrand: you turned of the pref, gave your user the permissions and koha-conf?
10:28 nlegrand khall: Thanks! It doesn't seem to work like in the video you made. For example, after enabling both ways and restarting web server, I don't have links.
10:27 khall sure!
10:27 nlegrand khall: may I ask you about plugins ?
10:27 cait khall: plugin queestions :)
10:27 nlegrand cait: Sink Kitchen first, the idea was more to developpe my owns ^^
10:27 cait morning khall :)
10:27 nlegrand \o/
10:27 khall mornin!
10:27 cait which plugin were you looking at?
10:26 cait khall ping :)
10:26 cait i think you can access them via tools
10:26 nlegrand Maybe I should wait for someone from ByWaters :), maybe they're still asleep right now :)
10:26 cait hm?
10:26 nlegrand cait: for the plugins I've done all that, enabling both ways, restarting server, and I watched Kyle's video. The most basic features, like the link in header.inc are not in the master branch.
10:19 nlegrand hiya
09:42 cait both - looking for another code review and maybe some acq testing data
09:42 cait that's alright
09:42 clrh for functionnal testings or more technical ?
09:42 clrh I don't know how to help you
09:42 clrh ...
09:41 cait i am a bit stuck on thsoe
09:41 cait clrh: i am trying, saldy not so much success in finding volunteers to help out with the taxes patches
09:40 huginn` 04Bug 7736: new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, In Discussion , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality
09:40 clrh cait: +1 ;) http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736#c118 (Hello)
09:33 drojf i guess it's bad in this case :D
09:32 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:32 cait interesting
09:31 drojf i just learned that in bibliotheca plus, you have to send emails manually. you export them, and put them in outlook. and apparently now you even have to send each one manually
09:29 drojf hi cait
09:29 cait hi drojf
09:19 drojf hi #koha
07:35 gaetan_B hello
06:57 alex_a bonjour
06:53 wahanui que tal, reiveune
06:53 reiveune hello
04:33 Francesca :)
04:33 cdickinson Okay, have fun, see you tomorrow :)
04:33 Francesca see you tomorrow cdickinson , bye #koha
04:33 Francesca Right I gotta go do stuff now
04:32 Francesca sweet
04:31 cdickinson Alright
04:31 Francesca I'll txt u if plans change, they'll be finnalising timings tonight
04:31 Francesca yup
04:30 cdickinson Cool, shortly after 6. I'll note that down and not forget
04:30 Francesca shouldn't be too crowded there
04:30 Francesca lets meet outside parliament grounds round the front then
04:27 cdickinson Cool, done deal then
04:26 Francesca oh that'd be great!
04:26 cdickinson my car has petrol and my wallet has pocket lint, so I'm driving in. I'd be able to take you up to the contra dance later, as well, if you want
04:26 Francesca got it
04:25 cdickinson PM'd
04:25 cdickinson you'll probably need my number for that haha
04:25 Francesca I'll txt you when i get to my phone
04:25 cdickinson That's true
04:25 Francesca might be easier than trying to find you in the crowd
04:25 cdickinson Yeah
04:25 Francesca I could meet you outside the parliament grounds
04:24 Francesca Hmmm
04:24 cdickinson Yeah, that'd be good
04:24 Francesca you wanna meet up after the performance is finished?
04:23 Francesca I have to be in kelburn for a contra dance at 7,30 so wasn't planning on staying for the light show
04:23 Francesca I'll be till just after 6
04:22 cdickinson are you tied up there the whole time, or what?
04:22 cdickinson I have decent eyes so hopefully
04:22 Francesca theres 100 of us
04:22 Francesca see if u can spot me in the choir
04:21 cdickinson Yeah, it says it's free
04:21 Francesca I think its free
04:21 Francesca yup
04:21 cdickinson http://www.eventfinda.co.nz/2015/the-big-birthday-party-capital-150/wellington - it's this, right?
04:20 cdickinson cause I heard about this on TV this morning, but yeah
04:19 cdickinson Does it cost to get in? :P
04:19 Francesca tomorrow evening down at parliament
04:18 Francesca u shld come
04:18 cdickinson o.O
04:18 Francesca we're backing up dave dobbyn
04:18 Francesca and a concert tomorrow
04:18 cdickinson Ah, nice
04:18 Francesca Its just I have choir tonight so I needed a rest
04:18 cdickinson Perfect, cause that's my schedule as well
04:18 Francesca I'm planning on coming in every friday afternoon
04:17 Francesca awww I'm touched
04:17 cdickinson Francesca, you should come in more often, you're fun to have chats with
04:17 Francesca have fun
04:17 Francesca ok see ya
04:17 cdickinson going to go for some not-so-beer o'clock now
04:17 Francesca cool
04:16 cdickinson alright, got my work committed
04:14 Francesca hahahaha I couldn't agree more
04:13 cdickinson I have a funny feeling "do as I say, not as I do" is going to be a saying that will feature a lot in the future for me
04:13 cdickinson I would, you're exactly right
04:12 Francesca wouldn't you?
04:12 Francesca I'd much rather build a website than write an essay
04:12 Francesca any uni related work e.g.: quizs, assignments come much lower down the list
04:12 Francesca in my mind
04:11 Francesca catalyst and music are equal
04:11 Francesca oh shh
04:11 cdickinson well, that's what I'd say to myself anyway
04:11 cdickinson priorities are straight as per usual, I see :D
04:10 Francesca right now I should attempt to find my sheet music, after all I do need it tonight
04:10 Francesca I'm gonna try running my vm another time when I haven't got so much other stuff open on my desktop
04:09 cdickinson surprise surprise, pythian is a real word
04:08 cdickinson that's alright
04:04 Francesca hmmm eythian auto correct thinks you are pythian
04:04 Francesca thanks for the help pythian, wizzyrea, cdickinson
04:04 Francesca its a 3 hour one
04:03 * Francesca is going to sleep before rehearsal tonight
04:03 * eythian will go for beer now instead though
04:03 * eythian would copy-paste into pastebin
04:03 * Francesca is giving up for now
04:02 Francesca in the vm
04:02 Francesca I'll let you know when I can work out how to screenshot
04:00 wizzyrea (it shows you what's eating up your resources)
04:00 eythian specifically, the one inside the vm
03:59 wizzyrea :)
03:59 wizzyrea I think he means type "top" into your terminal
03:59 cdickinson top is a terminal command, Francesca
03:59 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE <-- also not what top says
03:59 Francesca I'm confused
03:59 eythian that is not what top says
03:58 Francesca f-vm [running]
03:58 eythian what does top say?
03:58 cdickinson maybe something is happening in the background?
03:57 Francesca and the vm is back to running slow
03:56 francesca_ so is the tiny little common room at the music school
03:56 francesca_ uhh wishbone is fairly popular
03:55 cdickinson you music people seem like a rare species
03:54 cdickinson putting aside the fact that I was making a joke about how people spend too much time at Vic, what I meant to say was where do you hang out and study and stuff :P
03:53 francesca_ as far as I know
03:53 francesca_ not music students
03:52 cdickinson a surprising amount of people crawl into small areas to sleep
03:52 francesca_ nah everyone knows we live in pianos
03:52 eythian they live in the small holes in trees.
03:51 francesca_ cas I live at home
03:51 francesca_ are you asking for hall of residence?
03:51 francesca_ what do you mean?
03:51 cdickinson where do music students normally live at Vic?
03:51 cdickinson Awesome, good to hear
03:50 francesca_ thats when I'll be in next
03:50 francesca_ I can always show you next friday
03:50 francesca_ right I'll keep that in mind
03:48 cdickinson if it still slows down, only other thing I can think of is check that 3D Acceleration is enabled... it should be enabled by default but you never know
03:48 francesca_ *be
03:47 francesca_ seems to bw fine now
03:47 cdickinson is it still slow? cause if there is enough RAM and you have guest additions installed, I'm stumped haha
03:44 francesca_ time to install bugzilla
03:44 francesca_ right
03:42 francesca_ just not the one with ubuntu installed
03:41 francesca_ I ssh into my vagrant vm
03:41 eythian also, it uses a lot less resources
03:41 francesca_ i like that idea
03:41 cdickinson Remoting into the server allows you to use your desktop GUI, rather than being confined to a small window
03:41 eythian so you should be using it the way that servers are used, not the way desktop computers are used.
03:41 francesca_ ok
03:40 eythian effectively, you have a small server inside your mac now.
03:40 eythian nobody uses servers with a gui because it's a terrible idea
03:40 francesca_ eythian: slightly confused
03:40 francesca_ and have enabled them
03:40 francesca_ yeah
03:40 eythian future step is to work SSHed into the VM rather than on its console, and remove all the GUI stuff altogether.
03:40 cdickinson okay, so you DO have the guest extensions installed then
03:40 francesca_ thanks cdickinson
03:39 francesca_ yup it works
03:39 francesca_ </Directory>
03:39 francesca_ AllowOverride Limit FileInfo Indexes Options
03:39 francesca_ DirectoryIndex index.cgi index.html
03:39 francesca_ Options +ExecCGI +FollowSymLinks
03:39 francesca_ AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
03:39 francesca_ (copied from mac) <Directory /Library/WebServer/Documents/bugzilla>
03:39 francesca_ right using irc from the vm now
03:38 cdickinson try copy and pasting text. Files, I'm not sure if it does that
03:38 Francesca right vm up and running
03:37 Francesca ask siri to do it
03:37 Francesca hahahahaha
03:37 cdickinson just to make sure I was living in reality
03:37 cdickinson if that happened to me, I'd immediately go and try to divide by zero
03:36 * Francesca is dying of laughter
03:36 mtj hmmm, would be interesting to run some benchmarks on various VMs
03:36 eythian that'll be a confusing day.
03:36 eythian one day quantum tunneling will cause you to pass right htrough
03:36 Francesca hahahahahahaha
03:36 cdickinson at least once a week, I walk into my own bedroom door while trying to open it
03:36 Francesca Really? wow
03:35 cdickinson it's okay, I can do worse
03:35 wahanui Since Wed Jul 15 22:30:23 2015, there have been 147 modifications and 34 questions. I have been awake for 8 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 44594 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
03:35 eythian wahanui: status
03:35 Francesca my brain is not working today
03:35 Francesca cdickinson: I figured
03:35 wahanui :)
03:35 Francesca wahanui: botsnack cookie
03:34 cdickinson * Francesca realises stupidly that she already had agh of memory <--- that's what I was trying to point out
03:34 Francesca hahahahahahahaha I love it
03:34 Francesca and auto correct has returned with a vengeance
03:34 wahanui facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity.
03:34 eythian wahanui: facepalm
03:34 Francesca faceplate faceplate facepalm
03:33 * Francesca realises stupidly that she already had agh of memory
03:32 Francesca then I'll start up the vm and let you know
03:32 Francesca just gotta increase the memory (I haven't done it yet)
03:32 Francesca they were disabled but I've enabled them now
03:31 cdickinson Let me know if it works
03:31 cdickinson restart your VM
03:31 Francesca mind reader
03:31 Francesca I was just about to ask that
03:31 cdickinson Might as well enable drag n drop as well
03:31 cdickinson flip that to bidirectional
03:31 cdickinson go to the General tab, then Advanced -> Shared Clipboard
03:30 Francesca yup
03:30 cdickinson Still got the settings window for the VM open?
03:30 cdickinson sorry, no question mark, it is
03:30 cdickinson the bidirectional clipboard is something you have to enable specifically?
03:30 Francesca nope
03:30 Francesca can't remember rangi and I set up the vm much earlier in the year
03:30 cdickinson are you not able to do that at the moment?
03:29 Francesca yes I want the one that allows copying between my os and the vb
03:29 cdickinson do you know if you've installed it, Francesca?
03:29 cdickinson it's especially important for Linux as it includes drivers for the 3D graphics
03:28 mtj .. on a macbook pro (mid 2012), with an SSD drive
03:28 cdickinson VirtualBox includes some guest extensions that should be installed on the VMs in order to improve performance and stuff
03:28 cdickinson there is one more thing
03:28 Francesca thanks mtj, dickinson, eythian
03:27 Francesca then
03:27 Francesca 1gb it is the
03:27 Francesca okey doke
03:27 mtj Francesca: many of my vbox VMs are only 1gig RAM, with no speed problems
03:27 cdickinson you said it's already at 1024MB, and that you'd be bumping it up to 1GB. 1GB is 1024MB, so that would do nothing
03:27 Francesca I think I'm confusing myself
03:27 Francesca cdickinson: you seem confused, am I confusing you?
03:26 Francesca the most I'll be doing on it for the moment is installing bugzilla and creating a new skin
03:26 cdickinson 1024MB == 1GB?
03:26 Francesca I'll bump it up to 1gb for now
03:25 cdickinson it certainly doesn't hurt to
03:24 Francesca but I can increase the allowance if you think thats a better idea
03:24 Francesca mm thats the way I set up the vm with rangi
03:24 Francesca not sure I know what ssd is
03:24 Francesca the one from last year yeah
03:23 mtj Francesca: youve got a recent macbook pro, with an ssd ?
03:23 cdickinson the less RAM you have, the more it has to swap to disk, and that's REALLY slow
03:23 cdickinson 1024MB will work, but you've got RAM to spare
03:23 Francesca I've got 1024 mb
03:23 cdickinson https://support.apple.com/kb/SP703?viewlocale=en_NZ&locale=en_NZ
03:22 Francesca pro
03:22 cdickinson Base Memory is the amount of RAM you've got allocated to it. I usually dedicate 2GB for any VM I'm doing serious work on
03:22 mtj ah, yep.. youve got an mac air huh?
03:21 Francesca but other than that its fine
03:21 Francesca hmm I've had problems with the speed
03:21 mtj hey Francesca, fwiw... i run a debian vbox on osx, no problems
03:20 cdickinson click on the "System" tab thing
03:20 cdickinson right click on the VM in the manager -> Settings
03:20 Francesca how do I do that?
03:20 Francesca I'm listning
03:20 eythian check the RAM allocated to the VM
03:19 cdickinson actually, there is one more thing
03:19 cdickinson Not exactly a powerhouse, but it should work decently enough
03:19 * Francesca starts up virtual box
03:19 Francesca arghh I give up
03:18 Francesca 2014 model
03:18 Francesca mackbook pro 13inch retina screen
03:18 cdickinson do you know what model MacBook you have?
03:17 Francesca ok so thats not the problem then
03:17 cdickinson https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203296 - according to this, it IS enabled by default when running Mac OS
03:16 Francesca I should check that first
03:16 Francesca if it is off
03:16 Francesca I will go and find out how to turn it on
03:16 Francesca why?? what is the point in turning off something so useful
03:16 cdickinson but for some stupid reason, almost everybody turns it off by default
03:16 Francesca I know nothing about configuring my laptop
03:16 eythian using a mac will be quite like pushing poo uphill.
03:16 cdickinson Francesca: there is a hardware feature called virtualisation extensions that make running VMs fast
03:15 Francesca for all I know about websites and code
03:15 * Francesca is slightly confused niw
03:15 cdickinson way, way too many computers come like that
03:15 cdickinson Or maybe it's disabled by default
03:15 eythian for example, maybe the CPU doesn't have virtualisation extensions.
03:15 cdickinson that's true
03:15 eythian it's not a given that that is the issue
03:15 Francesca in the meantime I'll just keep going on mac
03:14 Francesca I don't think I know how to do that
03:14 Francesca umm ok
03:14 cdickinson you need to allocate more resources to the VM
03:14 Francesca I have virtual box installed
03:14 Francesca it runs so slow though
03:14 cdickinson just having a normal VM is probably less of a pain
03:13 * Francesca needs to get ubuntu dual booted on her laptop
03:13 Francesca okey doke thanks
03:13 cdickinson Francesca, use "sudo [text editor] /etc/apache2/httpd.conf"
03:13 eythian that's where my knowledge of real systems keeps going, and knowlege of macs stops.
03:13 wizzyrea in terminal.
03:13 wizzyrea in the directory with the config file
03:13 wizzyrea ls -lah should tell you useful things
03:13 Francesca Has worked for me so far
03:12 eythian I don't know
03:12 cdickinson does Mac OS support sudo?
03:12 Francesca how do I check if it has root privileges on a mac?
03:12 eythian and that text editor will need root privileges
03:12 Francesca it won't let me save changes
03:12 Francesca yeah tried that
03:12 eythian you need to edit it with a text editor
03:12 Francesca according to bugzilla I've got to be able to edit the configuration file
03:12 eythian which isn't a thing that makes sense
03:11 eythian you're asking the system to run it
03:11 eythian yeah
03:11 Francesca heres the error -bash: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Permission denied
03:11 eythian that is probably not a thing you want to do.
03:11 eythian if you put that line into a shell, you're telling it to run that.
03:11 Francesca absolutely no idea
03:11 eythian what is telling it to say "permission denied"?
03:11 Francesca when I put this line /etc/apache2/httpd.conf in the terminal and hit enter
03:11 eythian the terminal only shows things that other programs tell it to show
03:10 Francesca terminal
03:10 eythian and what is it that says "permission denied"?
03:10 Francesca Text editor
03:10 eythian what is "brackets"?
03:10 eythian what are you trying to do, and what is the result you are getting?
03:10 Francesca it says permission denied
03:10 Francesca the terminal won't open it or do whatever its supposed to do
03:09 Francesca brackets lets me edit but not save the apache configuration file
03:09 cdickinson what's the error?
03:09 cdickinson for it not saving changes?
03:09 Francesca got any ideas or brilliant solutions
03:08 cdickinson yep
03:08 Francesca anyone around still?
03:06 Francesca grrrrrr
03:06 Francesca now the computer won't let me save the changes to the apache file
03:06 Francesca oh fantastic
02:59 Francesca right now onto configuring apache with mod_cgi
02:59 Francesca hahahaha bye hi pianohacker
02:58 wahanui other way is to pass the array as an arrayref
02:58 pianohacker other way
02:58 pianohacker I mean hi
02:58 eythian hi
02:58 pianohacker bye
02:58 eythian np
02:58 Francesca thanks eythian
02:58 Francesca restart apache it is
02:57 Francesca okey doke
02:57 eythian I would skip that instruction then
02:56 Francesca can't find any log format line at all
02:56 eythian it might not be identical, you might have a newer version or something,
02:56 eythian look for a logformat line
02:55 eythian oh
02:55 Francesca that guide
02:55 Francesca https://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing/apache.html#apache
02:55 eythian also, what guide?
02:54 eythian I don't feel like that line would be necessary
02:54 Francesca which according to the guide I'm following it should
02:53 Francesca LogFormat "%v:%p %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %O \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" vhost_combined
02:53 Francesca my apache configuration file doesn't seem to have this line
02:53 cdickinson and passionfruit juice, man that stuff is glorious
02:53 cdickinson beer, cider, some shots fly around
02:53 * Francesca has a problem
02:52 eythian there will probably be some of that here too
02:52 tcohen heh
02:52 tcohen here is cabernet-sauvignon o'clock
02:52 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on July 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
02:52 Francesca @wunder wlg
02:52 eythian later :)
02:52 tcohen heh
02:52 eythian an hour from beer o'clock
02:52 tcohen have a good day/nght
02:51 eythian it's only mid-afternoon, tcohen
02:51 tcohen just to say hi, is really late already
02:51 tcohen thanks eythian
02:51 tcohen hi
02:50 eythian tcohen: also, I uploaded new master packages with my patches in them
02:49 wahanui hey, eythian
02:49 eythian tcohen: hi
02:49 * Francesca waves at tcohen
02:49 Francesca we talk to someone else instead
02:49 Francesca oh I don't think he actually knows whats going on with internships
02:49 cdickinson actually, I'd rather not go through Summer of Tech at all
02:48 cdickinson I was just going to have a chat with rangi or something about the avenues I'd need to go through, if there is nothing on Summer of Tech
02:48 Francesca no worries, it'd be cool to do an internship with you
02:48 Francesca once I hear back that is
02:48 cdickinson That'd be awesome, thanks Francesca
02:48 Francesca I'll pass the info onto you if you like
02:47 Francesca cool, I'm just about to get in touch and ask what we need to do
02:47 cdickinson absolutely
02:47 cdickinson my supervisors say to look forward to feedback from one particular marker though x_x
02:47 Francesca you still planning to apply for the internship this summer?
02:46 Francesca glad to hear it
02:46 cdickinson Got some good feedback
02:46 cdickinson it went well enough
02:46 cdickinson yet it wasn't a disaster
02:46 cdickinson ended up getting there just before I was up, tired, gasping for air, unhappy
02:46 Francesca but it went well?
02:45 Francesca oh dear
02:45 Francesca hahaha those are the best
02:45 cdickinson first up at 3pm, had to go move my car at 2:30pm because I couldn't find a park anywhere
02:45 cdickinson ended up doing all the prep for it yesterday morning, didn't make a script or anything, all ad lib
02:45 Francesca do go on
02:45 Francesca oh?
02:44 cdickinson how it went still makes me laugh
02:44 Francesca stupid autocorrect
02:44 Francesca cdickinson
02:44 * Francesca sighs
02:44 Francesca how did ur presentation go dickinson?
02:43 Francesca might be something to do with the fact I have a lot of extra choir stuff this week
02:43 Francesca yeah doesn't does it
02:42 cdickinson doesn't bode well :P
02:42 cdickinson only the second week of the trimester and you're saying that
02:41 * Francesca is tired
00:02 Francesca I need to retain some of my sanity and that unfortunately means doing uni work
00:02 Francesca I have rehearsal tonight which is why I'm not coming in this afternoon
00:01 Francesca Orpheus is dave dobbins backup
00:01 Francesca u coming?
00:01 Francesca yup
00:00 wizzyrea are you singing at the capital 150 thing on saturday?