Time Nick Message
00:56 dcook TFW you don't mean to work on Koha today but somehow you spend 2 hours on it...
01:01 wizzyrea ^.^
01:26 eythian http://stuffin.space/
01:29 wizzyrea wow, that is amazing.
01:30 wizzyrea omgosh, it's updating in realtime
01:40 papa hey rangi, u there?
01:41 rangi yep
01:41 eythian kids these days, unable to spell words in full. What is this world coming to?
01:42 dcook That is pretty neat
01:42 papa rangi: brendan is ignoring me
01:44 rangi i think bag is off eating steak
01:44 papa so what do we do?
01:46 rangi jump on the catalyst koha channel and i can show you some wrms
01:46 * dcook stopped paying attention after steak
01:52 eythian https://i.imgur.com/8ekyTNw.png
01:53 dcook O_O
01:54 wizzyrea gracious.
01:55 dcook Bleargh... this server is so much fun
01:55 dcook Sometimes I have access and sometimes I don't :S
01:57 dcook Oh, actually I have an idea..
01:57 dcook \o/
01:57 dcook Citrix--
02:09 wizzyrea NZ, where pigs don't fly, but they do have a dip in the ocean now and again: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11477036&ref=NZH_Tw
02:14 dcook That's different
02:15 * drojf sleepwalks
02:15 * cait1 does that too
02:15 cait1 too hot?
02:15 * dcook wonders if everyone is sick
02:16 drojf it#s not that hot. i think. it's just. i don't know but i am wide awake :(
02:16 drojf oh cait1 sleepwalked out of the channel already ;)
02:17 eythian jup\
02:22 drojf [off] i got an email explaining to me how much someone did "for koha". things like learning how to use it, so he can sell services. and writing bids for libraries
02:23 rangi [off] heh yeah, people don't get it
02:23 dcook [off] :S
02:24 eythian [off] drojf: why did he email that to you?
02:24 drojf [off] he did not even prove my point (we have very different ways of thinking), but also that he has no idea what i am talking about. i wonder why that irritates me, i already knew it before
02:24 drojf *not only
02:25 drojf [off] eythian: when i announced free personal koha instances to students and librarians, he used it as an invitation to advertise his services in my thread on a mailing list. and then wrote me offlist
02:25 eythian oh right
02:26 eythian [off] drojf: someone from .de?
02:27 drojf [off] .ch but it looks like he does not think it is big enough for all his "community contributions"
02:27 drojf [off] it's not mveron of course ;)
02:28 wizzyrea [off] we seem to be getting a lot of this lately.
02:30 drojf [off] "open source for business" people apparently now think that koha is real software they can make money with ;)
02:30 drojf [off] even mbalmer will be back one day :P
02:31 wizzyrea [off] I stand by my developers developers developers on that one.
02:32 wizzyrea [off] totes called that guy from day 1.
02:32 wizzyrea [off] though I did feel bad about it at the time.
02:33 drojf [off] there is a weird grey area of people you have never heard of in the community that offer some kind of service, or try to get on the market at least. one screwed up a data import over half a year, one tries to start some kind of partnership with me, then the guy from .ch. i wonder where they all come from ^^
02:33 drojf [off] i hope they all switch to kuali soon :P
02:33 eythian haha
02:34 wizzyrea not if they're at all any good!
02:34 wizzyrea (and can be convinced to be nice)
02:34 drojf they are not :P
02:35 drojf [off] they are all no free software people. all they do is proprietary stuff and now they want to add koha because there is more demand these days
02:37 drojf [off] well, i have no idea what that one company does actually, never heard anything about them. website "under construction". i only know they do really bad layout customisation and don't know how to handle marc properly ;)
02:41 drojf oh look it's sunrise :/
02:41 eythian it can't be sunrise
02:41 eythian the sun is still up here (in theory)
02:41 * dcook peeks out the window
02:42 eythian (this may not be fact, I can't actually see it through the weather.)
02:42 dcook It's light but I see no sun
02:43 drojf i think i have another 10 minutes until it really starts, but my monitor already switched to daylight
02:43 dcook eythian: But it could always be worse: http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/07/25-photos-of-vancouvers-martian-skies-due-to-wildfires/
02:44 wizzyrea hey, the days are getting longer now.
02:44 eythian dcook: I've seen that once when the fires in Australia were particularly big
02:44 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
02:44 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 15.0°C (4:20 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
02:44 dcook eythian: Yeah, I recall seeing similar photos sometime in the past few years... I think I was in Canada at the time
02:44 wizzyrea 15 is a nice temp
02:44 eythian I got up and the sky was mello yello coloured
02:44 * dcook seems to dodge the big smoke
02:44 wizzyrea gross
02:45 dcook ick
02:45 dcook to both mello yello and the colour
02:45 eythian heh
02:45 dcook @wunder syd
02:45 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 14.9°C (12:45 PM AEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
02:45 eythian I have a photo somewhere, but it doesn't show up well due to white balancing
02:45 dcook Whites always causing problems :/
02:46 * dcook wishes he'd learned more in the photography course he did as a kid
02:46 dcook Mostly I just remember "flashing" a bunch of people in a church as part of the final project...
02:46 drojf you could always do another photography course?
02:47 dcook drojf: you're way too reasonable for this time of day
02:47 * dcook thinks drojf may have been replaced by a robot
02:47 drojf lol
02:47 dcook That's the real turing test, me thinks
02:47 eythian dcook: also, I'm sure flashing people in a church is frowned upon
02:47 dcook eythian: I was young and impressionable!
02:47 eythian long overcoat and all?
02:47 dcook I think it was a bathrobe
02:48 dcook I think I was about 10 or 11? Looking back, I'm not sure who thought this was a good idea
02:48 wizzyrea ...also admitting it in a logged channel ^.^
02:49 * dcook shrugs
02:49 dcook I'm a fairly open book
02:50 dcook As I aged, I got more vocal in my resistance to authority?
02:50 dcook Hmm, perhaps also not best to say in a logged channel
02:50 wizzyrea haha
02:50 wizzyrea it's the chilling effect, illustrated.
02:50 dcook Life's too hard to completely filter :p
02:52 dcook Plus, if you admit to most things, they'll find it harder to blackmail you later?
02:52 wizzyrea :)
02:53 drojf they'll blackmail you about the stuff they plant on your computer :(
02:54 dcook drojf: Aww... that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that.
02:54 dcook So what you're saying is... I need to invent a way to dissolve my computer on command
02:54 wizzyrea at least we'll know who put the backdoor there :P
02:54 wizzyrea thermite. it's the only way
02:55 dcook Thermite sounds really familiar...
02:55 dcook Hindenburg?
02:55 dcook Or was that a myth?
02:55 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ZkoNF2ybg
02:55 wizzyrea no, that's what took down the hindenberg, I think they finally decided
02:56 wizzyrea basically you take a metal oxide and mix it with some variant of aluminum
02:56 wizzyrea and you apply heat
02:56 wizzyrea and it melts damn near anything.
02:56 * dcook taps his fingers together joyfully
02:56 wizzyrea if it's iron oxide, you'll get pure iron out at the end.
02:57 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euQUgp5AY-Y
02:57 wizzyrea this is the best one I know
02:57 wizzyrea video-wise
02:58 wizzyrea iron oxide, and aluminium powder
02:58 drojf looks like it will get the job done. is there a cd drive slot version for thinkpads? :D
02:58 dcook I love how some people say "aluminium"
02:58 wizzyrea it's the british way. There's a video about that as well.
02:58 dcook Do kiwis say it too?
02:58 eythian it's the non-US way, wizzyrea :)
02:58 * dcook thinks Aussies do
02:59 wizzyrea there you go
02:59 dcook eythian: We say "aluminum" in Canada too
02:59 dcook Oh..
02:59 eythian dcook: that's your own fault :)
02:59 wizzyrea the non-north-american way?
02:59 eythian what do they call it in mexico?
03:00 dcook That's the real question
03:00 wizzyrea 2.26 is the most impressive bit
03:00 wizzyrea on that last video
03:00 dcook I'm at 2:22 atm
03:00 dcook That's neat!
03:00 dcook lol
03:00 dcook 2:53 might be my favourite
03:01 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AhZ8503WPs
03:01 dcook Wait... 2:48
03:01 wizzyrea ok, but seriously - I"ve watched every single one of these periodic videos
03:01 wizzyrea they are awesome
03:01 wizzyrea and I highly recommend
03:02 dcook I love that dude's hair
03:02 dcook Speaking of hair, I should go out and get some food...
03:02 wizzyrea prof poliakoff is fantastic.
03:06 wizzyrea mtj - about?
03:07 mtj hey wizzyrea, sort of
03:07 wizzyrea bug 13143 :)
03:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Add a tool to show a Koha's password
03:08 wizzyrea for your later
03:08 mtj in te middle of sumthing, atm
03:08 wizzyrea when you feel like
03:09 wizzyrea nw
03:09 mtj $ sudo koha-passwd -n instance
03:09 mtj Output should be password only
03:09 mtj ..where -n is --no-prompt
03:10 mtj seems like a better way to me?
03:10 wizzyrea eh, up to you :)
03:10 drojf i would try to enter a number after -n
03:10 drojf because how could it not mean number? ;)
03:11 mtj coz, man page told yoo :)
03:11 eythian never, ever ever have a negative option please
03:11 eythian ever
03:12 mtj $ sudo koha-passwd -p instance
03:12 eythian * exceptions will be reviewed by a committee on a case-by-case basis
03:12 mtj ..where -p is --prompt
03:12 eythian What is prompt/no-prompt going to do?
03:13 mtj ..prompts for a key press, before clearing the screen
03:13 eythian why is that a better idea than autodetecting whether it's necessary?
03:14 drojf do we have a negative commandline option committee manager?
03:14 eythian nope
03:14 wizzyrea ^ that guy
03:14 eythian decisions may take a while
03:14 drojf we should
03:14 drojf i'll add it on the agenda for tomorrow's meeting
03:14 eythian OK
03:14 drojf it's not long enough ;)
03:15 mtj ah, sorry i might need to re-read the bug more ... ignore my comments ^
03:15 drojf i actually postponed agpl because we will have enough fun with bylaws and all the other stuff
03:15 eythian yeah, that's probably better to do first
03:16 mtj yep )
03:29 AmitG hi all
03:34 mtj hey AmitG
03:35 mtj wizzyrea: ill make sure i signoff you patch ^ :0)
03:35 wizzyrea only if you think it's ok :)
03:38 dcook Ok. Actually grabbing food now...
03:40 AmitG heya mtj
04:49 dcook Hmm, might have found a rather interesting case of weirdness with $_...
04:49 * dcook will kept you in tune :p
04:49 dcook That's not how that expression goes...
04:50 * dcook has a lack of chocolate so he doesn't care
04:50 dcook About the phrase. Obviously care about the problem.
05:00 dcook Ah, no. I think it's just down to someone's bad idea..
05:02 * andreashm waves
05:02 dcook yo andreashm
05:02 dcook Did you get my email? :)
05:02 andreashm yes I did.
05:02 andreashm read it a couple of hours ago when I was up trying to get my daugther to sleep. =)
05:03 dcook Your daughter sure doesn't like to sleep!
05:03 eythian dcook: your email was that boring?
05:03 eythian that it put her to sleep?
05:03 dcook eythian: It probably could've worked for that purpose, yes. ;)
05:10 andreashm dcook: well, she does. but she's only five weeks old so she still sleeps very irregurarly.
05:11 dcook Is she only five weeks? I remember you mentioning when she was born, but I thought it'd been longer than that..
05:12 dcook I'm glad it's only been 5 weeks since then for my sake, but I hope you're able to get some rest soon ;)
05:18 andreashm I try to sleep when I can! =)
05:22 andreashm except when I end up here instead.
05:23 dcook hehe
05:23 dcook Apparently!
05:23 wahanui well, apparently is vitally important to librarians
06:42 reiveune hello
06:42 wahanui hola, reiveune
07:00 alex_a bonjour
07:00 wahanui hello, alex_a
07:33 gaetan_B hello
07:37 * magnuse waves
08:20 magnuse @wunder boo
08:20 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:52 drojf morning #koha
08:55 magnuse moin drojf
08:55 drojf hei magnuse
09:00 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:00 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
09:01 drojf the point of "it's permanently too hot inside my flat" was passed about two days ago
09:02 drojf or it is just sunburn afterglow
09:04 * liz waves
09:05 drojf hi liz
09:07 drojf why the multiple accounts? office and home?
09:09 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:09 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 27.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
09:11 drojf you win :)
09:11 drojf hi cait
09:11 cait it already feels warmer than that
09:12 cait @wunder Berlin
09:12 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
09:12 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:12 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
09:12 drojf my flat feels like 40
09:12 cait mne is normally ok compared to 'the outside'
09:26 wizzyrea_ 14044, ugh.
09:26 wizzyrea_ so many people have slashes in their addresses.
09:26 cait bug 14044
09:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14044 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Backslashes ( and possibly other characters ) break patron search
09:27 wizzyrea_ gonna need a 3.18 version of that, I reckon.
09:27 wizzyrea_ idk if it will apply to 3.20
09:29 wizzyrea_ my case for it is the / and not the backslash though. Hangs on "Processing" every time
09:55 * wizzyrea_ goes away now
09:55 wizzyrea_ farewell for now, friends.
10:18 gaetan_B what are the plans to implement ebsco's rtac at the moment? i think this is part of the deal with the grant isn't it?
10:22 cait gaetan_B: maybe ask at the meeting tomorrow - bag would know i guess
10:22 gaetan_B ah, i'll be out for a meeting tomorrow unfortunately...
10:22 gaetan_B *another* meetin g;)
10:42 kivilahtio too bad we are travelling to Mikkeli tomorrow to have a peer-training seminar
10:43 kivilahtio gaetan_B: what do you mean with rtac?
10:44 gaetan_B kivilahtio: this is ebsco's rest api to get item related information live i think
10:44 kivilahtio ahh
10:44 kivilahtio gaetan_B: I am working on it
10:44 gaetan_B availability and all
10:44 gaetan_B oooh
10:44 kivilahtio gaetan_B: but there are a lot of hurdles to overcome
10:44 kivilahtio gaetan_B: regarding authentication and testing
10:45 gaetan_B isn't it linked to the rest api ?
10:45 kivilahtio gaetan_B: yes
10:46 kivilahtio to be able to make a smart authentication system for the REST API we need to take a new look at how we do authentication in Koha
10:46 gaetan_B but our rest api is not just ebsco's requirements applied to koha is it?
10:46 kivilahtio gaetan_B: to be able to test the smart authentication system, we need to take a new look at how we do integration testing n Koha :)
10:46 kivilahtio gaetan_B: not for me it isn't
10:47 gaetan_B ok, i guess it's a prerequisite for us to have this rest api before we can build ebsco's rtac on top of it
10:47 kivilahtio I thought the rest api is the rtac
10:47 * gaetan_B is confused
10:47 kivilahtio EBSCO didnät give any specific instructions on how to implement the interfaces
10:48 kivilahtio EBSCO just said we need to provide the necessary interfaces in whatever form we desire
10:48 gaetan_B what are the necessary interfaces ?
10:48 kivilahtio I think as a community we decided to implemet them as REST API using Mojolicious
10:48 kivilahtio gaetan_B: cant remember
10:49 kivilahtio I think most/all of them have been implemented by jajm
10:49 gaetan_B yes, i will check with him after lunch
11:10 cait kivilahtio: we never acually made a real decision there
11:10 cait not in a meeting
11:10 kivilahtio cait: ok
11:10 cait in the last dev meeting (second part) there was quite a discussion actually about it
11:11 kivilahtio cait: yes there was
11:11 cait i think it sounds like we are far overcomplicating things right now
11:11 kivilahtio cait: I didn't get such an impression
11:12 cait my personal opinion :) we will see how things work out
11:13 kivilahtio cait: well I am not seeing it tomorrow
11:14 cait tomorrow is not dev
11:14 cait or what do you mean?
12:57 ribasushi just a heads up - I haven't forgotten to look at why d76c9f4850c9ba7605f2 failed, just a bunch of stuff made things drop down the todolist
12:57 ribasushi I will likely look at it before end of the week
12:57 ribasushi ashimema: ^^
13:02 ashimema :)
13:44 JRJML_Director hi
13:45 JRJML_Director is there anybody in there?
13:46 nengard_demo hola
13:46 wahanui hello, nengard_demo
13:47 JRJML_Director lots of people on here
13:55 xarragon I have trouble using TestBuilder to insert multiple rows into the database, I use two separate 'build' calls.
13:58 xarragon But it only seems like I get one row in the database.
13:58 xarragon http://68b2779dc78921cf.paste.se/
14:03 cait hm sorry, not sure how the testbuilder works
14:03 cait Joubu would know i guess or maybe tcohen
14:18 JRJML_Director is anybody having trouble with getting email notices to send?
14:18 tcohen morning
14:19 cait mornig tcohen
14:19 cait JRJML_Director: which version of Koha?
14:19 wahanui which version of Koha are you using?
14:19 tcohen hi caitª1
14:19 cait in general it works alright for us :)
14:19 tcohen same here
14:19 tcohen how did you set your MTA?
14:19 cait tcohen: how was the hackfest? :)
14:19 JRJML_Director 3.18
14:19 JRJML_Director MTA?
14:19 tcohen it was really nice
14:19 cait hm which exact 3.18?
14:20 cait mail transfer agent
14:20 tcohen but we didn't have many programmers
14:20 tcohen JRJML_Director: was it working and it stopped?
14:21 JRJML_Director It's never worked since I've been here and before
14:21 tcohen so, do u have IT skills?
14:22 JRJML_Director Postfix
14:23 JRJML_Director i'm not sure which 3.18
14:24 cait the easiest way to check your exact version is going to the about koha page in the staff client - and pasting the longer number if you are not sure - but it's probably not the problem here
14:25 JRJML_Director 3.18.06.000
14:26 cait i will have to leave it to tcohen to talk you through the mta setup - not one of my strong areas
14:26 gaetan_B JRJML_Director: if you put some references in the cart on the opac, and try to send this to your email, do you get the message ?
14:26 cait gaetan_B++
14:26 gaetan_B if you do, no problem with your mta, it's koha setup
14:27 gaetan_B otherwise check postfix
14:30 JRJML_Director There was an error sending the cart.
14:31 cait hm strange
14:35 gaetan_B JRJML_Director: another place you can check is on user's account, someone who has late documents and should have received notices, there is a notices tab where you might see if notices have been generated and their status
14:35 gaetan_B but if you get this error message at the opac when sending the cart, then i'd say it's a system problem
14:35 gaetan_B you should check with your it staff whether the server can send emails
14:36 gaetan_B unfortunately email is really complicated and can get stuck at a lot of places
14:42 Ewaldosoft Alguien escribe español?
14:47 tcohen hola Ewaldosoft
14:48 Ewaldosoft Hola Tcohen soy nuevo.
14:48 tcohen como va todo?
14:48 Ewaldosoft he instalado koha para una la bibliocata de la universidad del Valle en Guatemala
14:48 tcohen te reconozco, de la lista
14:48 tcohen (koha-es)
14:49 Ewaldosoft http://biblio.altiplano.uvg.edu.gt/
14:49 tcohen y como te ha ido con la instalación?
14:49 tcohen excelente :-D
14:49 Ewaldosoft pues hice una instalacion de liveDVD de Kumar Vimal
14:49 tcohen oh
14:49 Ewaldosoft de la version 3.16
14:49 tcohen ok
14:50 tcohen en que puedo ayudarte?
14:50 Ewaldosoft gracias por la ayuda que nos dan, pues por ahora todo esta bien solo estaba provando el chat
14:51 Ewaldosoft muchas gracias aqui estare por un buen rato y si necesitara ayuda les escribo muchas gracias.
14:51 tcohen aqui siempre estamos.
14:51 tcohen No es un helpdesk, pero compartimos inquietudes y nos ayudamos
15:15 JRJML_Director i'm 100% satisfied with his explanations for it not being a problem with our mail server
15:15 JRJML_Director our mail server works fine for everything except koha
15:20 JRJML_Director and when i put in a ticket for it i get no response from koha
15:23 JRJML_Director Koha techs told me it was PostFix. Local IT responded directly to them (weeks ago) that it must be the SMTP in Koha.
15:24 JRJML_Director and I kept posting, asking for any kind of information or updates from Koha and got zero response
15:24 JRJML_Director for one whole month
15:24 tcohen JRJML_Director: can you take a look at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/Sendmail.pm ?
15:24 tcohen %mailcfg = (...)
15:25 tcohen i'm interested in the line
15:25 tcohen 'smtp' => ...
15:26 JRJML_Director there is no such line
15:27 JRJML_Director there is %mail = (...)
15:27 JRJML_Director and there is $mail{Smtp} = '...';
15:27 tcohen what OS are you on?
15:27 JRJML_Director Linux
15:27 tcohen distribution?
15:28 JRJML_Director multiple
15:28 pianohacker multiple?
15:28 tcohen koha, what linux distribution is Koha installed on
15:28 JRJML_Director koha is installed on lubuntu i believe
15:28 tcohen can u run lsb_release -a ?
15:29 tcohen paste the line that starts with
15:29 tcohen Description:
15:29 JRJML_Director oh whoops
15:30 JRJML_Director i found it o_O
15:30 JRJML_Director 'smtp' => [ qw( localhost ) ],
15:30 tcohen JRJML_Director: that sounds good no matter what it is
15:30 tcohen ah, yes
15:30 tcohen ok, so your setup points to localhost
15:31 tcohen can u run
15:31 tcohen netstat -antp | grep 25?
15:32 JRJML_Director it lists several TCP ports
15:32 tcohen does any of the lines end with /master?
15:34 JRJML_Director no
15:34 tcohen ps waux | grep postfix ?
15:35 tcohen it is possible that postfix is not running at all
15:38 JRJML_Director a bunch of data followed by the line --color=auto postfix
15:38 JRJML_Director so postfix is running then
15:39 tcohen JRJML_Director: your Sendmail.pm file specifies that your Perl stuff is going to use localhost:25 for SMTP
15:39 tcohen and you don't have an SMTP running, on port 25 in localhost
15:39 tcohen s/SMTP/SMTP server/
15:40 tcohen so, you can change Sendmail.pm to match your (infrastructure's) SMTP server
15:40 tcohen or you can install/configure Postfix in the Koha host, to act as a smart host, sending emails through your infrastructure's SMTP server
15:41 tcohen and that's all I can tell you because
15:41 tcohen lunch time
15:41 JRJML_Director haha
15:41 tcohen hope it helps
15:41 JRJML_Director enjoy your lunch thanks
15:41 JRJML_Director i hope it helps too
15:42 tcohen khall: can u remove the dependency for Cwd on bug 14467? Just strip it out and leave the PQA status
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14467 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Security updates break some Koha plugins
15:42 khall sure can!
15:44 khall tcohen:done. I just amended the patch rather than add a followup
16:05 reiveune bye
16:36 pianohacker tcohen: could I poke you real quick about the translation email I sent you and bgkriegel?
16:38 gaetan_B bye
17:36 tcohen hi pianohacker
17:36 pianohacker hi tcohen
17:36 * cait waves
17:37 pianohacker hi cait :)
17:37 tcohen i expected bgkriegel to answer your email, we've been talking about it during the hackfest
17:37 cait hi :)
17:38 pianohacker fair nuff
17:38 pianohacker @seen bgkriegel
17:38 huginn` pianohacker: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 1 week, 6 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
17:38 JRJML_Director Ok so yeah. I changed the Sendmail.pm port from the default to the correct one and...
17:39 pianohacker tcohen: I'll poke him a bit about it, then. Did you have any quick thoughts?
17:39 JRJML_Director now the OPAC cart sends to my email address and produces no error
17:39 JRJML_Director howevoer I'm not convinced that Patron Notices email is working
17:39 cait have you set up the cronjobs?
17:39 pianohacker JRJML_Director: have you run process_message_queue.pl?
17:39 tcohen pianohacker: i tend to agree with you, we don't have a strong guideline about that
17:40 pianohacker ok, cool. Thanks, tcohen
17:40 tcohen the only 'design' issue might be related to the fact that some js stuff is outside the translatable directory
17:40 JRJML_Director no i have not
17:40 JRJML_Director what directory?
17:41 pianohacker tcohen: yeah, and that should probably not be scanned for strings
17:41 pianohacker JRJML_Director: did you install Koha from the debian package?
17:42 tcohen so, I wouldn't object if you splitted rancor in a sane way so the relevant (front-end) stuff can be picked by our current translation scripts
17:43 JRJML_Director I believe that is correct
17:44 JRJML_Director Yes Debian
17:45 pianohacker tcohen: it's currently split that way, actually. All the front-end stuff is stuffed into a .inc, with the back-end scripts in the non-language-specific js directory
17:46 tcohen pianohacker: it sounds perfect then :-D
17:46 pianohacker My goal is just to move the front-end JS from that .inc to language-specific .js files
17:46 pianohacker because the .inc is long and ugly :)
17:47 tcohen khall: cool
17:50 pianohacker JRJML_Director: you should then in theory be able to run /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl, but be warned that there might be a lot of built-up emails
17:50 JRJML_Director oh golly
17:50 JRJML_Director can i dump first?
17:51 JRJML_Director or will all previously unsent emails be sent
17:52 tcohen JRJML_Director: it is a queue, if they are marked to be sent, they will
17:52 pianohacker if you're totally okay with deleting all unsent emails, you can run /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl -m 0
17:54 JRJML_Director grrr command not found
17:54 JRJML_Director what program do i use to run .pl?
17:55 pianohacker well, that's odd. That should just work. Try:
17:55 pianohacker ls -l /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl
17:55 tcohen locate cleanup_database.pl
17:55 tcohen dev install ?
17:55 wahanui dev install is on, some cataloging already goin, so I guess I;m almost there
17:57 JRJML_Director -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
17:57 JRJML_Director i located it
17:57 JRJML_Director i'm looking at it
17:58 pianohacker JRJML_Director: was it in the location I mentioned, or someplace else?
17:59 JRJML_Director in that exact location
17:59 JRJML_Director i ssh'd into the server
17:59 JRJML_Director and i browsed to /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs
17:59 JRJML_Director and typed in cleanup_database.pl -m 0
17:59 JRJML_Director and nothing
17:59 pianohacker ah, okay, sweet. Then you should be able to run that command, in theory at least
17:59 pianohacker oh kk
18:00 pianohacker you'll have to run ./cleanup_database.pl -m 0
18:00 pianohacker Or directly enter /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl -m 0
18:00 JRJML_Director xml file permission denied
18:01 JRJML_Director koha-conf.xml denied, denied at Expat.pm
18:03 tcohen oleonard!
18:03 wahanui oleonard is, like, not really here. He said so. He did
18:03 pianohacker heh.
18:03 JRJML_Director ok i sudo'd this time
18:04 JRJML_Director this time it gave me an even angrier error msg
18:04 JRJML_Director my linux knowledge is rudimentary sorry
18:05 JRJML_Director it keeps complaining about koha-conf.xml though
18:05 pianohacker no worries, no worries. What's the error?
18:05 JRJML_Director unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 373.
18:05 JRJML_Director it says that like 20 times
18:05 tcohen JRJML_Director: are you running it as root?
18:06 JRJML_Director yes i am ssh into server as sysops
18:06 JRJML_Director which is root
18:06 tcohen is it a packages install?
18:06 tcohen with a created instance?
18:06 tcohen if you run koha-list --enabled you will know
18:07 JRJML_Director sudo koha-list --enabled renders the following:
18:07 JRJML_Director appmtx
18:07 tcohen so it is a packages install
18:08 tcohen you should do
18:08 tcohen sudo koha-shell appmtx
18:08 tcohen and then run the command
18:08 JRJML_Director k
18:08 tcohen or whatever you want to do for the desired instance
18:08 tcohen it will set the environment
18:08 tcohen and run as the right user
18:08 JRJML_Director should i backup any files before running?
18:08 tcohen khall: a quick question
18:08 JRJML_Director k
18:09 tcohen JRJML_Director: don't think so
18:09 pianohacker tcohen: thanks, I was trying to figure that out on the fly :)
18:09 tcohen heh, no worries
18:09 tcohen i messed a lot with those commands
18:09 * tcohen tried to provide tab-completion for them, so used
18:10 tcohen khall: Joubu is not around and I need your opinion on bug 14427
18:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14427 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Use Koha::version() instead of C4::Context->KOHAVERSION
18:10 tcohen ah, no
18:10 tcohen i meant bug 9942
18:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9942 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Circulation module cannot anonymise if anonymity user is not set up correctly.
18:10 khall wrong bug?
18:10 tcohen you provided a followup
18:10 tcohen i was wondering if we should put that message on the about page instead
18:11 tcohen I mean, I'm ok with the message
18:11 tcohen what do u think?
18:11 wahanui do u think is ok to set a cookie name marcdocs_borrowernumber true or false?
18:12 khall tcohen: I fear it would go unnoticed on the about page
18:12 tcohen ok
18:13 tcohen my fear is that with this approach we could end pilling checks before every each page for every inconsistency we find we introduced
18:13 tcohen nested 'if' everywhere
18:14 tcohen maybe we should rethink how we tell the users about the sanity of the setup
18:14 tcohen maybe something like the syspref changing log, but blinking, in red
18:14 tcohen calculated on login or something similar
18:15 tcohen git commit -s -m "Bug 9942: DBRev 3.21.00.013"
18:15 tcohen oops
18:16 JRJML_Director ok i was able to run cleanup_database -m 0. it was strangely unsatisfying
18:16 pianohacker tcohen: i think the humanmsg thing in red is an excellent idea
18:17 tcohen pianohacker: thanks! we now need volunteers heh
18:17 pianohacker JRJML_Director: okay. Then you should be able to trigger a patron notice then run process_message_queue.pl and verify that an email is correctly sent
18:23 JRJML_Director what's the easiest notice to trigger?
18:23 JRJML_Director i've got a fake user for this purpose
18:23 JRJML_Director Fakey McFakington
18:24 tcohen heh
18:25 wnickc checkin and checkout notices are easy for testing
18:26 tcohen hi wnickc
18:26 tcohen hi rangi
18:26 wnickc hi tcohen
18:28 JRJML_Director that's weird
18:29 JRJML_Director i got the email from a previous test i did an hour ago
18:29 JRJML_Director but not the one i did just now lol
18:30 pianohacker *blink* well, stuff is at least working somewhat :)
18:31 drojf evening
18:34 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14207: Improving circulation performance <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52814a9fa0e061e5d8a669ea1895474e01216cfd> / Bug 14135: Adds 'Free' to variabletypes in systempreferences.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f008a102415c8b71a1f4a976bc15691c2663b5c> / Bug 14382: [QA Follow-up] Bad regex alarm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi
18:34 pianohacker ah, right, the Local Use tab
18:35 pianohacker my sworn enemy
18:37 nengard_airport heh
18:46 S_Polka Good morning from the west coast. I had a question, and was wondering whether it would be better to ask it in here or on the email group. Essentially, we have too many custom reports in our library, and were looking at trimming them down. However, we don't know which reports other people use. Is there a way to see when a report was last used, or how often it has been used?
18:48 JRJML_Director it appears to have sent the email properly. but when i run ./process_message_queue.pl it doesn't give me any entries. is that a good thing?
18:49 tcohen JRJML_Director: have you tried --help? there might be a verbose mode
18:50 JRJML_Director indeed it does appear to be the case
19:00 tcohen matts_away: around?
19:07 JRJML_Director ok so
19:07 JRJML_Director my receipts are being processed in the process_message_queue.pl I think because there's a LOT of print messages in there
19:07 indradg tcohen++ #bug 14135
19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14135 minor, P5 - low, ---, indradg, Pushed to Master , Local Use syspref addition form missing variable type 'Free'
19:08 tcohen well, its your work, not mine!
19:09 JRJML_Director the good news, though, is that i finally received an email notice
19:10 JRJML_Director my board will be very happy
19:10 JRJML_Director tcohen and pianohacker and everyone else who helped I thank you. I will be back soon for more shenanigans
19:11 tcohen JRJML_Director: congrats :-D, we like cookies BTW
19:11 tcohen LOL
19:21 indradg i need a bit of help with notices and slips. i was earlier at a library today where they have like 12 branches. they had setup email notices for all patron categories. the "All libraries" drop down was selected. I tried to add sms messaging. I copied the notice over to a specific branch. but in the "Notices" tab of the patron saw something peculiar... the same template as the email was being used for sms.
19:21 indradg its on 3.18.3
19:21 indradg what am I missing here?
19:28 indradg pianohacker any clue what I'm missing here ^^^
19:34 pianohacker indradg: not sure
19:34 pianohacker barton: ^ ?
19:34 wahanui hmmm... ^ is what I think too
19:35 barton hmm.
19:37 barton indradg: what type of notices are we talking about? overdue? advanced? hold?
19:54 barton indradg: my experience with notices in general is that the code is not well centralized -- message transport types is newer than most of the other features in notices, so it's more likely to work in a regular fashion, but you'll probably still need to look at the code in question: overdue_notices.pl, advanced_notices.pl etc. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Customising_Notices_and_Slips#Notice_Specific_Markup should at least point you to th
19:57 barton I've spent a fair amout of time reading through the code. I don't pretend to understand all of it, but I might be able to assist if you tell me the letter code in question.
19:58 * barton realizes that he has used the phrase 'in question' quite a lot there.
19:58 barton :-)
19:59 rangi morning
20:04 cait @seen Joubu
20:04 huginn` cait: Joubu was last seen in #koha 5 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Joubu> @later tell tcohen see bugs 11620 and 11194, should we ask for the changes in record.abs?
20:04 cait morning rangi
20:07 pianohacker hi rangi
20:08 * magnuse shouts "kia ora rangi", then falls asleep
20:09 rangi heh
20:09 * barton misses the joke, but still wonders if "koha ora rangi" would be appropriate.
20:10 rangi wouldn't really make sense
20:11 barton rangi: like I said, I missed the joke -- "kia ora rangi" didn't mkae sense to me either.
20:12 indradg barton: CHECKIN and CHECKOUT
20:13 cait indradg: it might be thatmultiple transport types are not fully implemented there
20:13 cait i'd read the code and file a bug if it doesn't work like you expect
20:14 barton nod -- you'll want to look in C4/Circulation.pm and C4::Message
20:15 barton er. C4/Message.pm
20:30 indradg cait: thanks will do
20:32 indradg barton: thanks... i know the files... just wanted to find out from you guys if I was missing out on something silly
20:32 barton I doubt it.
20:43 barton indradg: take a look at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=de4b2990bc8118a91ff03368ed943e9b53d67ea1;hb=HEAD#l3287
20:44 indradg barton will do
20:48 indradg hmmm
20:49 * indradg is looking at the code barton pointed to
21:09 rangi heatherH++ #undoing some of Paul A's FUD
21:10 cait yeah she is pretty great
21:11 bag totally :)
21:11 drojf you should honour 58 years of experience
21:11 bag I sent her a little follow up saying thanks h2
21:11 bag I met h2 at ALA last weekend - she’s awesome
21:12 cait i saw her tweets - she seems very enthusiastic :)
21:12 cait about the new features and all, that's really good to read
21:17 drojf looks like nz gets the list mails earlier too. future people…
21:17 cait hm?
21:17 wizzyrea possibly the list goes in order of subscription
21:18 wizzyrea I think someone told me that once. Or alphabetic... or...
21:18 drojf oh
21:18 wizzyrea there's some order to it.
21:18 wizzyrea some people get theirs first. :)
21:18 wizzyrea or earlier.
21:18 drojf yeah makes sense
21:18 drojf never thought about it
21:19 cait drojf: ... or you are just slow ;P
21:19 wizzyrea hmpf.
21:19 drojf that too
21:19 drojf so can we have xapian in koha then?
21:20 cait what is it even?
21:20 drojf future rangi says its neat so i want it now :)
21:21 drojf maybe the fork uses it now :P
21:22 barton cait: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xapian
21:22 cait not sure listening to future rangi is safe :P
21:23 barton heh.
21:23 cait oooh rain
21:23 * cait does a happy dance
21:23 cait maybe i can finally sleep again tonight
21:24 barton cait -- fwiw, I'm not sure that listening to future *anybody* is particularly safe.
21:24 drojf we had hours of thunderstorms :)
21:24 cait most of the clouds on the radar missed us... by quite a bit
21:24 cait but it seems now it's here :)
21:24 barton we just had a nice little shower here -- right as cait was saying 'oooh rain'.
21:24 cait or not
21:24 cait it just stopped again.
21:25 barton cait -- you're not in Louisville, KY, are you? ;-)
21:25 cait not quite
21:25 barton yeah, I would have been very surprised if you'd said yes...
21:25 cait looking at the rain radar there are only tiny rain clouds heading in our direction an dmost probbly going to miss us *sighs*
21:26 cait very disappointing
21:28 tcohen hi
21:31 rangi [off] http://Pixton.com/ic:6xhrrois
21:31 cait hi tcohen
21:31 eythian hi
21:31 wahanui what's up, eythian
21:31 wizzyrea keke
21:36 drojf good night #koha
21:46 tcohen rangi: heh
21:51 eythian cait: why did you add me to bug 14493?
21:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14493 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , export_borrowers.pl - Export patron attributes
21:51 cait i didn't mean to
21:51 cait i just changed it to command line tool
21:51 eythian ah right, that'll do it
21:51 cait ... and it seems the right category :)
21:51 eythian to me it just showed up as you adding me as a CC, not changing the category :)
21:57 cait nope
21:57 cait :)
22:17 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:17 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
22:17 eythian that windchill factor is new
22:18 wizzyrea br.
22:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:19 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 28.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on July 08, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
22:19 cait rain... nope
22:20 eythian 28. That's a bit much.
23:14 dcook [off] Oh my... why do I read the backlog of the listserv...
23:16 rangi [off] so my comic strip makes sense?
23:17 dcook [off] that sounds familiar but I can't recall it now
23:20 rangi [off] http://Pixton.com/ic:6xhrrois
23:21 dcook [off] Not sure whether to laugh or cry :p
23:23 wizzyrea meeting?
23:23 wahanui meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then
23:24 wizzyrea irc meeting?
23:24 wizzyrea hrmph.
23:25 eythian Thursday morning innit?
23:25 wizzyrea must be :)