Time Nick Message 00:25 * liz waves 00:27 indradg hi liz 00:29 pianohacker bug ###################11559 00:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 00:29 pianohacker hahaha I was reading that regex right 01:50 dcook I keep thinking that the inventory should mark items as missing if they're not on loan and not scanned... 01:50 dcook Or that it's an option to mark them missing 01:50 * dcook swears he's used inventory systems like that before 01:51 dcook I mean... it would have to be a bit more complicated 01:51 dcook But basically if the system thinks it's on the shelf and the inventory says it's not on the shelf... it should be marked missing, no? 01:51 * dcook sometimes wish that he had an unlimited supply of time and money to pursue his ideas 01:51 dcook That may or may not be the basis of "The American Dream" of course... 02:00 dcook Hmm seems like this is already in the commments of http://bywatersolutions.com/2014/05/29/inventory-koha/ 02:02 dcook "Finding missing items after inventory. After you’ve run the inventory tool how do you find the items that are missing? Well you run a report to show you everything that hasn’t been seen since a specific date." 02:02 dcook That seems a bit suboptimal :/ 02:03 * dcook will see if some library might want to sponsor development of a "mark as missing" inventory feature... 02:04 indradg dcook +1 02:05 dcook I figure a lot of libraries must not do inventories? 02:05 dcook I suppose I've done a lot of shelf-reading over the years which isn't quite the same thing... 02:06 dcook After moving three branches into a single branch, I organized an inventory of a few of the combined collections. It was sooo helpful. 02:06 * dcook goes back to email and patch writing 02:08 dcook Hmm... it looks like maybe this was actually part of Koha in the past? 02:09 dcook Or maybe this is a Liblime thing? 02:23 dcook Or maybe it does it automatically? 02:24 dcook "# set "missing" flags for all items with a datelastseen (dls) before the choosen datelastseen (cdls)" 02:24 * dcook doesn't recall this working in practice... 02:33 * dcook would love to know the difference between "Item should have been scanned" and "Missing" 02:34 dcook Which in this case doesn't mean item is already missing.. 02:34 eythian one is data, the other is data with interpretation applied. 02:38 dcook That makes sense to me 02:38 dcook Rather than being two separate statuses :S 02:39 dcook Awesome thing: 02:39 dcook # set "missing" flags for all items with a datelastseen (dls) before the choosen datelastseen (cdls) 02:39 dcook in actuality, the cdls is the item's datelastseen, and dls is the inventory's datetime 02:40 dcook datelastseen rather 02:40 dcook O_o 02:41 dcook Hmm actually that's not right either... 02:42 dcook Hmm, pretty sure this is broken 02:43 eythian wahanui: cheating is http://i.imgur.com/wTJcSmI.gifv 02:43 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:43 dcook Huh... 02:44 dcook When you use "foreach my $item (@items)", it looks like $_ is set to null? 02:44 eythian hmm 02:44 dcook I mean.. I don't know why you'd be using $_ in that context, but it's interesting.. 02:44 dcook Also, lol, eythian. 02:44 eythian I don't think I've ever thought about that case. 02:46 dcook Oh boy... 02:46 dcook And sure enough... when I fix that problem, inventory goes nuts 02:46 dcook Because, as eythian has pointed out, "Item missing" and "Item should have been scanned" is pretty much the same thing 02:47 eythian I dunno 02:47 eythian one is a fact, one is semantic 02:47 dcook Oh, I'd agree that it should be "Item should have been scanned" 02:47 dcook Item missing has a few more assumptions in there which could be variable 02:48 dcook Actually, you'd want to run it through a fair number of conditions before saying "it's missing" I guess 02:51 dcook I wonder if people don't use the inventory tool because it's not very useful 02:51 dcook Or they don't use it because they don't do inventories very often 02:55 rangi the latter 02:55 wahanui i guess the latter is already done 02:55 dcook I'm inclined to agree 02:55 rangi its a really really expensive time consuming exercise for not a huge amount of gain 02:55 dcook Well, depending on the number of items you're doing, I suppose 02:55 dcook That's probably the case for the entire collection 02:55 dcook It could be useful for individual collections though 02:56 dcook Although perhaps even then.. 02:56 dcook I think certain libraries have to do it for the purposes of auditing 02:57 dcook Oh well. I'll add my little bit, file some bugs, and then leave it alone I suppose. 02:57 rangi its pretty trivial to add a button to mark things missing, instead of just updating the datelastseen 02:58 rangi but they might not be missing, so it would have to be optional 02:59 dcook Yep 02:59 dcook I'm trying to think if there would be a case where something wouldn't be scanned but not be missing 02:59 dcook (and not on loan) 03:00 dcook I suppose you wouldn't want to do that option if you were doing an inventory gradually 03:00 rangi yep 03:00 dcook Although doing an inventory gradually would be a bit error fraught.. 03:00 dcook Well maybe not error fraught 03:00 dcook Just not comprehensive 03:01 dcook But if you just care about being mostly accurate.. 03:01 rangi or if its on the mending desk 03:01 dcook Ah, that's what I was thinking 03:01 dcook Or if it was withdrawn or something like that 03:01 rangi libraries do a bunch of odd things 03:01 dcook You'd probably want to check against X number of conditions 03:01 dcook That they do 03:08 dcook Anyway, time for me to pickup MCU films... 03:09 dcook (Not from my library as they charge $2 per reservation for DVDs that are scratched and covered in goo...or missing all together :( ) 03:23 rangi yeah, doing it wrong 03:46 indradg dcook: not scanned, not missing and not on loan cases I have seen when libraries have sent out items for binding or preservation purpose but not updated 'location' status of the items 03:47 indradg that is bad process... but that happens 03:53 dcook Although in that case, they should hopefully check it in when it comes back in 03:56 dcook Yikes... when did we get a DateTime::Format::MySQL module? :S 03:56 dcook And why is it in C4::Items.. 03:57 rangi why do we use it? 04:02 rangi it's been a dependency since april 2012 04:07 eythian should have a thing that periodically goes through and finds any dependencies that are no longer used anywhere, I'd expect there to be a few. 04:23 dcook I really need to change my HexChat alerts... 04:24 dcook rangi: I'm not sure why we use it. I just noticed it at the top of the module 04:24 dcook eythian: I think you're right 04:24 dcook After gmcharlt removed POE, I actually thought about some uses for it, but... it was probably for the best :p 04:25 rangi seems to me to be decent module to use 04:25 rangi better than trying to format dates by hand 04:26 rangi seeings as we pass around datetime objects most of the place 04:26 dcook I thought we were trying to move away from MySQL dependency overall? 04:26 dcook I could still see using it though... although probably in Koha::DateUtils rather than C4::Items 04:34 dcook Mmm, interesting 04:34 dcook Looks like we use it in C4::Items::ModItem() 04:34 dcook Although in what way I have no idea.. 04:37 dcook $item->{ $field . '_on' } = 04:37 dcook DateTime::Format::MySQL->format_datetime( dt_from_string() ); 04:38 dcook git blame time.. 04:38 rangi its used in lots of places 04:39 dcook rangi: Which? 04:39 wahanui Which is not allowed in MARC. 04:39 dcook Huh... Bug 9673 04:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, CLOSED FIXED, Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn 04:39 dcook Apparently there are supposed to be "itemlost_on" and "withdrawn_on" columns in the items table? 04:40 eythian news to me 04:40 dcook me too 04:41 dcook I wonder if that got reverted later.. 04:42 dcook Nope... still in kohastructure.sql 04:43 dcook Hmm, looks like it's in the updatedatabase.pl for 3.15 04:43 dcook I suppose I've only done a few installs over 3.14 04:43 dcook Hmm... but this is a dev database which should've been upgraded.. 04:44 dcook Probably something weird I did 05:01 eythian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909 05:02 rangi yeah thats a nasty one 05:03 dcook Yikes.. 05:04 rangi i saw it on the oss-sec list 05:08 dcook I didn't know code.google.com was a thing anymore O_o 05:08 dcook I thought they had retired it... or perhaps they're still in the process? 05:14 indradg @later tell alex_a I've reset bug 14155 back to "Needs signoff". Pls let me know if you differ about the fixes. 05:14 huginn indradg: The operation succeeded. 05:31 dcook Mmm just churning up the bugs with inventory.pl... 05:38 dcook Ah, Fridolin already reported bug 12913 05:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12913 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Failed QA , wrong inventory results when notforloan filter is not used 05:39 dcook Oh wait, that's not the bug I wanted... that's just another one I noticed.. 05:46 dcook Wth... 05:49 dcook Oh wait that makes sense. Whew.. 05:49 * dcook loves when things make sense 05:58 dcook Unlike the rest of this inventory script... O_O 06:08 * magnuse waves 06:12 dcook Yo magnuse :) 06:13 magnuse yo yo yo wassup in da house! 06:16 magnuse huh? http://www.cni.org/topics/assessment/bibflow-a-roadmap-for-library-linked-data-implemenation/ "[someone] has demoed it with @kohails as part of the @BIBFLOW project" 06:17 dcook But I'm not in da house :p 06:18 dcook I also find that confusing 06:22 * magnuse is sceptical of bibframe 06:25 sophie_m hi #koha 06:29 * dcook is skeptical of most things 06:33 magnuse bonjour sophie_m 06:33 magnuse @wunder boo 06:33 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on June 17, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 06:33 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:33 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 22.2°C (8:32 AM CEST on June 17, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 06:33 magnuse whoa! 06:34 sophie_m hello magnuse, summer is here :) 06:37 * dcook wants to fix all the inventory problems but now has data to clean... boo... 06:37 dcook @wunder syd 06:37 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (4:00 PM AEST on June 17, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 06:37 dcook sophie_m: Next week is the middle of winter, I think? ;) 06:38 sophie_m dcook: your winter does not seems so chilly, it suits me :) 06:39 dcook Feel free to come and visit anytime :) 06:40 magnuse sophie_m: feel free to send some summer to the far north :-) 06:40 sophie_m :) 06:41 sophie_m thanks dcook, I'm thinking about it when children will leave home 06:42 dcook :D 06:43 dcook I think the same about visiting France again when children leave home 06:43 dcook Of course, I haven't had the children yet... 06:43 dcook So it's a while away :p 06:47 reiveune hello 06:47 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:47 sophie_m dcook: my elder will probably leave in september 06:47 drojf morning #koha 06:47 * dcook waves to the new arrivals 06:48 dcook sophie_m: So not too long until a trip to Australia? :) 06:48 sophie_m the yougest is only 13... 06:49 dcook That's not too long! 06:49 dcook My youngest is 0, so that's quite the wait ;) 06:50 sophie_m come before children dcook ;) 06:51 dcook Well, I went to France once back in 2010. That was a good time! 06:51 dcook Actually, if I hadn't moved to Australia, I probably would've tried to spend more time in France. 06:51 dcook I did a year long immersive French course in 2009-2010, so I was keen to spend some serious time speaking French. 06:51 dcook But then there was my MLIS from 2011-2012 and Australia in 2012... 06:52 dcook Now I'm stuck in a beautiful corner of the world :p 06:52 sophie_m :) 07:10 Viktor khall++ for being (more) clever (than me) in bug 7843 07:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7843 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, viktor.sarge, Pushed to Master , Add RSS feeds for OPAC news 07:11 alex_a bonjour 07:12 dcook I keep saying I'll make a RSS feed for Opac lists one of these days... 07:12 dcook salut alex_a, hey cait :) 07:12 dcook also hey Viktor ;) 07:12 Viktor Hey dcook :) 07:12 cait hi all 07:12 cait hi Viktor :) 07:13 alex_a salut dcook 07:13 Viktor We toyed with the notion of adding an "RSS reader" into the Opac so you don't have to use external RSS to keep an eye on interesting things in Opac. 07:14 dcook Wouldn't that defeat the purpose a bit? 07:14 Viktor Some sort of "watch this" as an alternative to RSS streams. 07:14 dcook I suppose it would still be curated though.. 07:14 Viktor And hi cait :) 07:14 dcook Yeah 07:14 dcook That's neat 07:15 Viktor We'd have to cache things I guess since the RSS might crop things but it would be the same content for all users so it would not kill the db 07:16 Viktor RSS for lists would be good. 07:16 Viktor Also dynamic lists would be good. 07:16 dcook Dynamic lists? 07:17 Viktor Sort of "Pick these five records for the list + all the items that meet this search criteria". 07:17 cait hmm 07:17 dcook I'm not sure I understand :/ 07:17 cait I think you could do that with a saved search link maybe? 07:17 Viktor Exactly. 07:18 Viktor But I don't think it's possible today(?) 07:18 Viktor Or I just missed it. That happens :) 07:18 cait i thin owen had a blog post about how to style such links to be buttons 07:19 Viktor Some TinyMCE-content connected to a list would be good also :) To provide context. 07:19 cait if you wanted it to show in the lists, maybe it would not be so hard if you just could add a search link 07:19 cait i thik there is a bug about comments for list items somewhere 07:19 cait we have also been asked about that 07:20 Viktor cait: Yes it's certainly not hard to make your own button. But adding it to the official list drop down would require jQuery :/ 07:21 Viktor cait: Adding TinyMCE content all over the place would not be hard (left/right coulmns are other candidates) but where to store it in the db requires some thought. 07:21 cait because of multi-langual? 07:23 Viktor cait: Thats another thing I guess :) But currently TinyMCE lives in opac_news and that's no good naming for expanding. The table could well store it but to be thorough we should either rename or add another general purpose "HTML blob stuff from the editor"-table. Both seem no fun :) 07:23 mtj hey peeps, can someone give me a JQ slap here... 07:24 mtj https://jsfiddle.net/2yaz1LLs/ 07:24 mtj why is the contains('zzz') matching? 07:25 cait hm not sure it needs another table 07:25 cait we also have html prefs 07:25 cait the tiny mce is just a little helper to create/edit html 07:26 cait and we have an editor in the branches too - for the opac info 07:26 cait mtj: i think it doens't show 07:26 cait ah 07:26 cait you want .size > 0 or something 07:27 dcook .length is what I usually use 07:27 cait dcook: is right :) 07:27 dcook $( "div:contains('zzz')" ).length should do the trick, I think? 07:27 cait i was going to look it up 07:27 mtj https://api.jquery.com/contains-selector/ 07:28 cait if ($("#author").length) { is what i have in one of mine - looks right :) 07:28 mtj ..so theres a working example of conatins() ^ 07:28 cait the problem is that the if is true 07:28 cait it doesn't really match something 07:28 cait but it's not false either 07:29 dcook Ahh yeah I read that wrong 07:29 alex_a indradg: hello. Thank you for the followup on BZ 14155 ! I'll review this later today 07:29 dcook $( "div:contains('zzz')" ) should always return true I expect 07:29 Viktor cait: True. TinyMCE is not relevant in itself. I'd rather not add tables on a whim. But "opac_news" seem dedicated to the purpose of news. 07:29 dcook Even if it matches nothing 07:30 cait Viktor: hm yeah, might be cleaner to have it separate - but similar maybe 07:30 dcook And $( "div" ).css will highlight everything 07:30 dcook Err underline 07:30 cait i think if you have $(' div ') it's a jquery Object thing 07:30 dcook ^yep 07:30 cait the problem is context i guess? 07:31 cait mtj: did we properly confuse you? :) 07:31 dcook mtj: Basically, your Javascript doesn't make sense :) 07:31 dcook And on that note, I'm going to leave before I stay any later 07:31 dcook Night all 07:31 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:31 mtj here is basically what im trying to do... 07:31 mtj if ( $(.itype:contains(‘secret item’)â€) ) { 07:31 mtj (".shelvingloc").hide(); 07:31 mtj } 07:32 cait mtj: i think you are also missing the trigger 07:32 wahanui okay, cait. 07:32 mtj ..on the opac-details page 07:33 cait $(document).ready(function { $('div:contains("zzz")').css('text-decoration','underline'); }); should be enough - you don't need the if 07:34 Viktor Ah - the if will always be true :) 07:34 cait yep 07:34 cait but as he does to work on the object anyway we don't need the if 07:34 cait if there is an element contianing zzz now it will match and apply the css property to the diff 07:35 cait I can recommend the code academy jquery course - it's quite fun 07:35 mtj hmm, so how to do an 'if' with a JQ object then ? 07:35 cait mtj: if you need one you can do .length 07:35 cait that will be the check for the existance 07:36 cait but in your snippet it would not be necessary 07:36 mtj hmm, ok length.. thanks cait 07:36 cait [off] you can see some here in the source code: https://hshl.bsz-bw.de/ 07:37 mtj is there a better way to write this ...? 07:37 mtj if ( $(.itype:contains(‘secret item’)â€) ) { 07:37 mtj (".shelvingloc").hide(); 07:37 mtj } 07:37 cait you don't need an if 07:38 cait hm ok 07:38 cait yes sorry you can do that with an if 07:38 cait but add ").length 07:38 mtj yep, gotch 07:38 mtj if ( $(.itype:contains(‘secret item’).length â€) ) { 07:38 mtj (".shelvingloc").hide(); 07:38 mtj } 07:39 cait hm not quite 07:39 cait ( $(".itype:contains(‘secret item’)").length ) 07:40 cait i think 07:40 mtj yes, of course 07:40 mtj i think ive offically hit stupido'clock here 07:41 cait time to sleep then? :) 07:42 mtj naw, probably a break cait 07:42 mtj hmm, doesnt seem to work.. 07:42 mtj https://jsfiddle.net/2yaz1LLs/1/ 07:42 cait you are missing a ) 07:43 cait after the closing " 07:43 cait and remove the one after length 07:45 mtj sheesh, sorry cait :0) 07:45 cait get a break! ;) 07:45 mtj some days huh.. 07:46 mtj i havent been doing much jq lately, huh 07:47 * mtj pastes that example somewhere safe 07:48 mtj i still struggle to 'parse' jquery wth my eyes... i often find it difficult to spot typos 07:52 * magnuse waves at mtj 07:55 mtj hey magnuse :) 08:01 mtj whew, i got that JQ sorted 08:03 mtj ...i have just recently bumped into that lenght/size situation, too 08:03 mtj length even 08:20 Viktor Public reports giving different results (correct from a few days ago vs. todays correct results) when using staff / opac URLs to access them - anyone seen this before? 08:26 indradg cait: when you tested the specific library notice deletion, was it an email notice? 08:32 magnuse Viktor: that sounds like a bug 08:43 cait indradg: i think so - but not entirely sure 08:43 cait indradg: but i was remembering that patch - maybe it fixed it? 08:43 indradg yep possible bug 14206 08:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14206 normal, P5 - low, ---, indradg, Pushed to Stable , notices using non email templates can't be deleted from the staff client 08:50 indradg hi magnuse, mtj, Viktor 08:50 Viktor Hi indradg! 08:51 Viktor magnuse: I thought this might be a bug (or perhaps some caching or cronjob issue that's not accessible from the report itself). But werid and annoying :) 08:52 Viktor magnuse: We looked into it a bit since we want to use reports for visualizations in the future. xarragon fooled around with things yesterday. Will se if he comes up with something. 08:53 cait Viktor: hm sounds weird - can only imagine caching to be the problem 09:00 Viktor cait: Thought it was the proxy we used but turned out to be Koha. Also we get the login page for public reports in some cases (using curl or some cases of proxy for example) 09:01 cait hm 09:01 cait we haven't done much with the reports so far - but i know catalyst does a lot 09:01 cait maybe you coudl check with rangi 09:18 Viktor cait: Thanks! I'll check with him if weirdness continues. 10:17 mtj hey thanks for the code academy tip cait, i'm gonna check it out :0) 10:23 cait mtj: sure - I picked up osme new things and it was fun so far 10:39 mtj peeps, is it possible to display cost/price info for items in opac-details.pl page? 10:39 cait mtj: not currently 10:39 cait the table is harcoded 10:39 cait if they bought it in acq, the acqdetailstab might help 10:40 cait lunch time bbl 10:40 mtj cool, thanks cait - just confirming that 11:22 magnuse ooh ptfs europe have squashed all the ill commits into one - https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha/commits/3.20.01.ill 11:23 magnuse i wonder if that means they are getting ready to submit it? ashimema? 11:58 tcohen morning 12:00 cait morning tcohen 12:03 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:04 mtj has anyone seen problems with koha-start/stop/restart-zebra lately? 12:05 mtj the daemon process seems to be unable to detect a daemon/zebrasrv is already running 12:05 indradg morning tcohen 12:06 mtj i searched for a BZ, but could not find one 12:07 cait not aware of a problem, sorry 12:07 alex_a cait: I'm sorry, don't understand what you mean by "record level + item level" or "item level" hold (my_english--) :( 12:07 alex_a about bz 7710 cait 12:07 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/143 12:07 cait a record level would be one for the 'next available item of the record' 12:07 cait an item level hold would be for a specific item 12:08 cait i think having record level + item level for one patron on the same record doesn't make sense 12:08 magnuse mtj: yes, i have been seeing that 12:08 magnuse and eythian too, i think 12:09 magnuse well, i think that is what i am seeing 12:09 cait alex_a: I haven't tested the current patch - but my feeling is that 'just' a pref and it applying to ALL records in the database is not really helpful - I feel like there is something missing 12:09 cait to make this useful 12:09 cait but imight have misunderstood - sorry if i have 12:09 cait bug 7710 12:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , multiple holds per title 12:09 magnuse mtj: i can do koha-restart-zebra, and then it says "zebra appears not to be running. starting zebra" then if i run koha-restart-zebra again, it says the exact same thing 12:10 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra2" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144 12:10 cait i think i am in favour of an issuing rule - then you could combine it with the other hold options we have 12:10 alex_a cait: May be we could have record level + item level + enumchron level ? 12:10 alex_a cait: May be we could have ONLY 12:11 mtj magnuse: see my 2nd paste ^ 12:11 cait alex_a: sorry, don't understand yet, can you explain? 12:12 mtj seems 'daemon --name=xxx-koha-zebra --running' incorrectly returns 1, not 0? 12:12 alex_a cait: i mean that we could only allow multiple hold on items (of the same record) with different enumchron values ? 12:13 mtj magnuse: aah, oops... i had a typo in my command 12:14 cait alex_a: that would be an option - it's also how it was initially described 12:14 cait it would be good to get some of the librarians to comment too 12:14 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra3" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/145 12:14 cait libraries i mean 12:15 cait but we still need to decide what to do if there is a record level AND an item level hold - which i think doesn't make sense 12:15 cait could we prevent that? 12:15 cait so say if someone has a record level hold and tries to place item level we say: you already have a hold for the next item, if you want a specific item, place cancel it first? 12:15 cait so that we avoid the double up from the beginning 12:17 alex_a i agree that place a record level hold + an item level hold doesn't make sense at all 12:17 magnuse mtj: my brain is refusing to parse shellscript right now... do a patch? 12:18 alex_a cait: ok i understand now 12:18 alex_a \o/ 12:18 alex_a thx 12:18 mtj i havent clicked to a fix yet magnuse :/ 12:19 cait alex_a: i was hoping nick or someone else would also comment - to see what people need most there 12:19 cait holds are... holds. 12:20 cait complicated 12:20 wahanui complicated is far too mild a term to describe Search.pm. 12:20 alex_a cait: i agree. I'll put this bz in disussion 12:20 cait i don't want to block it - but before putting a lot of work into it we shoudl agree how it should work 12:20 cait i guess 12:22 magnuse huh, i try to import a patron csv with the columns "firstname, surname, address, categorycode, dateofbirth, branchcode", and i get "Cardnumber is not a valid cardnumber" for all of them. shouldn't it be possible to enter patrons without cardnumbers? 12:22 mtj magnuse: well... the fix seems to be not to use 'daemon' to detect whether zebs are running - but something else.. like pids 12:22 cait magnuse: it creates problems if a patron has none 12:23 magnuse the help text should perhaps say they are mandatory, then? 12:23 cait probably 12:24 cait bug 14067 12:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14067 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 500 error when deleting patrons 12:24 cait borrower without cardnumber can't be deleted 12:24 cait and i thik i had them breaking search or something similar too 12:24 magnuse ok :-) 12:25 cait bug 13780 12:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13780 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , A patron without cardnumer will break searching for category code 12:28 magnuse cait++ 12:33 tcohen mtj: there was a patch for that 12:34 tcohen bug 14361 12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14361 major, P5 - low, ---, benjamin.rokseth, Needs Signoff , koha-restart-zebra fails and probably breaks upgrade 12:34 tcohen please test it and sign! 12:36 mtj thanks tcohen 12:40 mtj tcohen: it fixes the problem :) 12:40 cait wb Viktor 12:40 mtj adding the --pid arg, makes daemon work 12:41 magnuse super easy signoff, no real testing required: bug 14403 12:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14403 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Remove unconditional warn from Koha::NorwegianPatronDB 12:45 * magnuse suspects Viktor of sleepwalking 12:47 * magnuse also suspects this day of skipping a couple of hours 12:48 cait possibly 12:55 magnuse thanks indradg 12:55 indradg magnuse :) 12:55 magnuse cait: bug 14403 is a supereasy qa for you :-) 12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14403 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Remove unconditional warn from Koha::NorwegianPatronDB 12:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14070: Prevent to save a letter if an error occurred <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d56a275c0d101e7969192ef326ceaa64cacf83d8> / Bug 14351: Remove given-when from opac-search.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38048bc420ffa6f2a5a73287fdff5e2d8cbe63ef> / Bug 14350: Missing statement in kohastructure.sql - DROP TABLE IF EXISTS borrower_sync <http://git.koha 12:57 cait fighting 41101 rightnow 12:57 cait hm bug 14401 12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Zebra index configuration doesn't allow exact search for 'C.' 12:59 magnuse sounds like fun 13:31 indradg tcohen bugs 14135, 14268, 14240, 14252, especially 14135 and 14268 please :) 13:52 cait magnuse: it actually is a silly thing - some kind of weird mapping 13:52 cait indradg: thx :) indradg++ 13:53 cait did i only imagine that the language descriptions are now in a central spot? :( 14:05 tcohen indradg: i think it is ilegal to request your patches to be pushed like that 14:05 tcohen :-P 14:05 tcohen druthb: isn't it? 14:05 druthb hi 14:07 indradg tcohen: hehe... i was afraid it was... at least i wasn't trying to bribe the RM :D 14:08 * cait whispers to indradg: he likes hard swiss hazelnut cookies... 14:08 indradg cait: i kept scratching my head why the patch wasnt working... until i noticed the patch copy wasn't being used by zebra :P 14:08 cait ah yes 14:09 cait you usually need to copy it, but it dpeends on your setup 14:09 indradg hi druthb, drojf 14:09 drojf hi indradg 14:16 * indradg waves 14:32 pianohacker druthb! Hi :) 14:32 druthb pianohacker! :) :P 15:20 AmitG hi all 15:20 AmitG hi indradg 15:29 AmitG hi tchoen 15:29 AmitG hi tcohen 15:37 reiveune bye 15:39 khall has anyone else seen this bug before? Bug 12552 15:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12552 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Odd error caused by URI Escape 15:39 khall it's driving me crazy that I can't reproduce it on a test server 15:40 bag good morning 15:40 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 16:37 Shane-S Hi there, few questions...1: is 3.12 to far behind to go to 3.20 if I used packages? 16:38 Shane-S 2: Is it possible to share the patrons database between separate libraries? (I currently track IT assets this way...and my librarian is having a fit with my overdues) 16:39 Shane-S 3: If I can't share the patrons, can I run a mysql query to extract and populate or is there data issues doing so? 16:59 pianohacker Shane-S: 1. No, shouldn't be, the upgrade will require some time (and you should definitely back up first) 2. Between separate libraries, yes, but they have to be in the same Koha installation. You can get some level of isolation, but not complete. 3. There shouldn't be huge issues, but be careful with checkouts/fines/etc 17:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:53 mtompset @seen khall 17:53 huginn mtompset: khall was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <khall> it's driving me crazy that I can't reproduce it on a test server 17:53 khall yo 17:53 mtompset I guess your last comment was about bug 12552 17:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12552 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Odd error caused by URI Escape 17:53 khall yep 17:53 mtompset Do you have a server with an older URI::Escape? 17:54 khall that's the first thing I checked, URI::Escape is the latest version 17:54 khall I tried that based on my old comment ; ) 17:54 mtompset and it happens with the latest version?! 17:55 khall yes, what's more odd is there isn't even a note set. We get the error even if you leave the note field blank! 17:55 khall it's utter nonsense to me 17:55 mtompset What browser? 17:55 wahanui browser is unresponsive for a moment while the table loads. 17:55 khall chrome and firefox 17:55 wahanui chrome and firefox are more or less the same speed these days 17:55 mtompset on debian? 17:56 khall yes 17:56 khall actually, now that I recall, I think the data we are escaping there are the fine notes, not the payment notes, so it's probably not a browser issue 17:57 mtompset No, it is payment note you are escaping. 17:57 mtompset I figure you are hitting the write off button. 17:57 khall ok, thanks for confirming that. 17:57 khall I'm using the "Pay" button 17:57 khall for individual fines 17:57 mtompset okay that button set. :) 17:59 mtompset I just tried IE, Firefox, and Chrome in Windows 7. 18:00 mtompset I found it interesting that Firefox did NOT escape the [ in my note. 18:00 mtompset Both IE and Chrome did. 18:00 mtompset This is unpatched. 18:00 khall that is most odd 18:01 mtompset So, if I'm going to try to replicate, I think I'll work with firefox. ;) 18:01 mtompset you just hit the pay button? 18:01 mtompset no comment? 18:07 mtompset So the error occurs immediately after hitting the pay button, khall? 18:07 mtompset nice, HTML crapout, or is this a subtle warning log? 18:07 khall yes, that is correct 18:07 khall html crapout 18:08 mtompset I can't replicate it either. 18:08 mtompset But I know the patch is good. 18:08 mtompset frustrating. :( 18:12 mtompset BTW, my server was Debian Jessie. 18:13 mtompset I'm assuming these are at least Debian Wheezy, right, khall? 18:13 khall yes 18:13 khall at least I think so, I'd have to double check 18:15 mtompset Maybe, indradg has a livedvd that replicates the problem. ;) 18:15 indradg eNh! i no do such things ;-) 18:17 mtompset khall: What version are the production systems experiencing this? 18:17 mtompset perhaps this is one of those annoying subtle side-effects that is hiding. 18:37 * mtompset goes decides to eat some food. Oops! Missed lunch. 18:54 * magnuse will be travelling tomorrow - have fun #koha! 19:52 mtompset khall_away: :( not quite. 20:39 wnickc If the guy who wanted to watch Anchroman 2 figured out how to place a hold, no one can tell me this system is too complicated 20:40 rangi heh 20:40 cait huh? 20:40 liz every borrower their materials, core librarian value. 20:42 wnickc I mean, I purchased it and was the first borrower so can't really judge 20:43 * liz is not judging 20:44 rangi i watched it, it's not horrendous 20:44 drojf i always wondered if librarians judge me when i check out weird stuff. i'll never visit a library again now :( 20:44 * wnickc feels librairan guilt 20:45 cait wnickc: instead of feelign guilt... 20:45 rangi i judge people who dont visit libraries 20:45 cait i got a bug i need a commen ton 20:45 cait 7710 20:45 rangi now you're stuck drojf 20:45 rangi :) 20:46 drojf damn 20:46 liz the OPAC is pretty consistent in it's usability, I think. It has some spots that need polishing but it's mostly ok I think 20:46 drojf :D 20:46 wnickc drojf: I try not to, but we all slip now and then 20:46 wnickc liz:I totally agree, some people just never get past "But in our old system..." 20:47 wnickc cait:been pondering that, will put something there 20:48 pianohacker bug 7710 20:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , multiple holds per title 20:48 cait wnickc: i was thinking a patch just to allow multiple on all - that would maybe just create chaos... or not be super helpful 20:49 wnickc where most of the libraries I know are looking for this patch it is specifically on DVD sets and the like 20:49 cait wnickc: and the other thing is mixing record level and item level holds... which I can't coome up with a use case for - i feel like we should probably not aloow that or mke it possible to configure it so that it won't happen (force item levle holds maybe) 20:49 cait yep makes sense 20:49 wnickc Where multiple parts are catalgoed as individual items and a patron wants discs 3 and 4 say 20:49 cait or serials in an academic setting - the bound year volumes 20:49 cait they are often in closed stacks too 20:50 liz for what it's worth 20:50 liz I don't think that you should allow one person to place both biblio level and item level holds on the same biblio 20:50 wnickc I can see a use for record/item holds if looking for book group or something. All items are out, you specifically hold the one out to staff or certian borrowers and make sure they don't renew and then place a next available to catch whatever other one comes back 20:51 rangi i agree with liz, that should be impossible 20:51 rangi either 1 biblio level hold 20:51 wnickc may be reaching there, but if you can think it, someone is doiing it 20:51 rangi or multiple item level 20:51 liz or several item level ones 20:51 rangi but not both 20:51 rangi the could to try and sort that out at circulation would just be untenable 20:52 rangi and always be doing something wrong 20:52 liz book clubs being a good example here, a librarian should place individual holds on all copies theyw want back 20:52 liz if they only want one back, biblio level. 20:52 rangi itd be like my aprils fools day patch, which just randomly issued books to borrowers no matter what they actually wanted 20:52 rangi liz: agreed 20:53 liz serials, same - though for a serial you'd almost never want a biblio level, that's not really sensible. 20:53 * cait nods 20:53 wnickc I can agree on not mixing, but why not 2 bib level? 20:53 cait i think the other is too chaotic 20:53 cait why would you need 2 identic copies? 20:53 rangi maybe for a book club 20:53 rangi yeah, i could see a case for 2 biblio level ones 20:54 cait maybe allow from the staff side 20:54 cait but not sure about the opac 20:54 rangi i just want two copies .. i dont care which 2, just 2 20:54 cait and should be optional... i think 20:54 cait libraries here don't want students to have 2 of the same - because then another student doesn't get one 20:54 liz maybe have an option to specify number of copies? 20:54 liz to fulfill the hold? 20:54 rangi liz: yeah, i could see that on the staff side 20:54 wnickc so the hold would have a counter? 20:55 liz i.e. biblio level, two copies 20:55 liz and hold is complete 20:55 cait wnickc: i think 2 holds... or we are loking at at total holds rewrite 20:55 rangi wnickc: the system could just place 2 holds in the background 20:55 cait yep 20:55 rangi wnickc: but the interface could let you say, 2 copies please 20:55 liz ^^^ 20:56 wnickc I like that 20:56 cait i think the tricky bit here after hte use cases is 20:56 cait how do we want to configure it? 20:56 cait the patch is a global pref now i tihnk 20:56 cait i hope i didn't get that wrong 20:56 rangi yeah i think it needs to be with the circ rules 20:56 cait just *how many total on a record* and i feel like that is not really helpful 20:56 rangi not a global pref 20:56 cait yeah i was thinking the same 20:56 cait we have all the other hold related stuff ther enow... it would make it realy flexible 20:57 rangi *nod* 20:57 cait i also kind of liked the enumchron idea - but that could maybe also be done 20:57 rangi ok, meeting time 20:57 wahanui somebody said meeting time was always going to favour one section of the globe 20:57 rangi bbiab 20:57 cait and you could combine it with forced item holds and solve the 'don't mix' issue 20:57 pianohacker heh. Reminds me , Kyle and I have a circ rules UI revamp we need to send an RFC for to community 20:57 pianohacker (not even started, but every new circ rule column makes it more important) 20:58 cait true... but i think it's really better to have it there than the logic scattered in all those different places :) 20:58 pianohacker if we keep adding columns you'll need a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA25V16D0069 to configure the dang thing 20:59 wnickc yeah, the more branch specific anything can be configured the happier our member libraries are 21:00 cait pianohacker: i think we just need a more flexible way to filter sort the columns... and an editable table would be nice 21:00 cait ... can i get one? :) 21:00 cait so i could filter on the overdue related columns and sort by category or itemtype... and type in the values directly 21:00 pianohacker I had a patch for that years and years ago... we're thinking something a bit more ambitious 21:01 cait pianohacker: just don't overcomplicate :) 21:01 cait right now i usually load them with sql... because enteirng them in the gui is too painful 21:02 pianohacker cait: we have two versions, one of them I think will be much liked and the other that may be a bit too crazy 21:02 cait heh we will see :) 21:05 pianohacker The elevator pitch is that we want to have a UI/backend where you drill down by branch, category or item type and configure only the things that you want to configure at that level. As it stands, there's a lot of forced duplication between rules because you have to specify every value for each entry 21:05 pianohacker When you may want loan length to be the same for most things and only configure, say, fines per itemtype 21:05 cait yeah ... but it also means that we get a clear rule out of it :) 21:06 cait but we still could on database level anyway i guess 21:06 pianohacker you do, but the current UI is clear to the point of frustration, too much data to parse through 21:06 cait yeah... all i use is sql 21:07 cait that#s why i asked for sorting and filtering on table columns... it's how i do it now i guess 21:07 cait using mysql workbench - also lets you write into the cells directly 21:08 pianohacker and most people don't trust the fallback order from specific branch/categorycode/itemtype to less specific, so while you may have a clear _rule_, you may not have a clear idea of _when_ that rule will be applied 21:08 cait yeah.... i don't use it for that reason 21:08 cait the defaults 21:08 wahanui the defaults are 80 with packages. 21:08 cait i do a complete matrix 21:08 pianohacker I'd like the UI to suggest that more naturally than the current awkward list at the top 21:09 cait yeah that would be nice 21:09 pianohacker [C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cexactly! and you're at least somewhat familiar with the underlying logic, librarians in general aren't 21:09 cait shining through in grey or so 21:09 pianohacker oh jeez 21:09 cait what did you try to say there? 21:09 pianohacker held down arrow key on a slow ssh link :P 21:10 pianohacker "exactly! and you're at least somewhat familiar with the underlying logic, librarians in general aren't" 21:11 pianohacker but yeah, we need something that's better than a complete matrix (unpleasant reminders of 2.2 era) but less vague than the current interface 21:11 pianohacker and Kyle and I are always looking for a new ocean to boil 21:12 wnickc i've always kind of wanted a tester, scan an item/patron and get back the rule that is applying 21:12 pianohacker wnickc: I either want to include that or make it unnecessary :) 21:13 wnickc I guess you need branch too because of HomeOrHoldingBranch 21:13 wnickc pianohacker:unneccessary gets my vote 21:18 pianohacker cait: I like the editable table thing and I think they'd be nice in a number of places in the admin interface, but I think the fallback logic makes them a bit too limited for circ rules 21:18 cait hm not necessarily 21:18 cait what i'd lik to avoid is have to specify separate rules 21:18 cait an then apply them again somewhere 21:19 cait (like the one that shoudl not be named seems to do) 21:30 cait wnickc: there is no OpacItemholds pref anymore :) 21:30 cait wnickc: also in the circ rules now 21:30 cait with 3.20 21:38 wnickc Ah, running on 3.18, should never use it for reference :-) 21:42 cait allowonshelfholds too 21:42 cait i was really keen on that patch to make it in 21:42 cait a world of new possibilities 21:45 wnickc I think we have some libraries who will be happy about that 21:50 drojf good night #koha 22:12 wnickc bye #koha 22:21 eythian hi 22:22 cait night all :)