Time Nick Message
00:06 BobB yeah, if he'd stuck around he would got help
00:07 BobB but not from Wahanui :)
00:07 ibeardslee can wahanui recognise new people and tell them not to be in a rush to expect an immediate response?
00:07 dcook Although he might be a bit doomed using CentOS anyway :p
00:08 BobB that's the advice he could have got :)
00:08 dcook Hehe. That's true!
02:45 * Francesca waves
03:22 eythian tcohen: yo
03:24 tcohen hi eythian
03:24 eythian tcohen: don't think I'm going to use the zebraqueue for ES, it'll cause problems if you want it there as a z39.50 server.
03:26 eythian also, new master packages uploading
03:26 eythian wow, slow internet day today
03:28 Francesca rangi you around?
03:28 rangi yep
03:28 tcohen eythian: i always thought we should rename it indexing_queue or something like that
03:29 tcohen not that I care too much
03:29 rangi its more that if we overload it, we have to add another status
03:29 eythian tcohen: yeah, I like that in principle, however if we were to do that, we'd have to use a real queue somewhere so that it can have multiple consumers
03:29 rangi indexed by es, indexed by zebra
03:29 rangi yeah
03:29 tcohen i've been thinking of setting multiple zebra processes
03:29 tcohen so was thinking how to rethink that queue
03:29 rangi rabbitmq, or gearman or something that does queueing and job control
03:30 tcohen by the minute i got brendan's question
03:30 tcohen about it
03:30 rangi i wouldnt queue it in the db, the way we do now
03:39 tcohen rangi: sounds great
03:41 tcohen night #koha
04:24 Francesca hey rangi sorry I didn't end up coming on friday
04:24 Francesca I was sick
04:24 rangi no worries
05:34 eythian hi cait
05:39 cait hi eythian
06:28 reiveune hello
06:38 indradg hi all
06:38 indradg @seen cait
06:38 huginn` indradg: cait was last seen in #koha 59 minutes and 11 seconds ago: <cait> hi eythian
06:45 * magnuse waves
06:48 magnuse ooh, we have competition for kohacon16!
07:00 * dcook wouldn't mind going back to Greece ;)
07:02 * magnuse has been to Crete twice, wouldn't mind seeing other parts
07:02 dcook Mmm, loved Crete
07:02 dcook My legs didn't thank me after walking the Samaria Gorge though O_O
07:03 dcook In any case, I better run!
07:03 dcook Ciao, European folks!
07:03 magnuse run dcook run
07:03 magnuse a movie by Tom Tykwer
07:03 alex_a bonjour
07:28 magnuse kia ora cait - back from holiday?
07:31 cait yeah, I am afraid so
07:37 magnuse never long enough, eh? :-)
07:39 cait never
07:39 cait i have a feeling i will spend the day reading emails
07:43 magnuse probably
08:31 indradg thanks cait L)
08:32 cait mlß
08:32 cait ml?
08:32 indradg yeah
08:32 cait np :)
08:43 magnuse cait++
12:18 cait @seem andreas
12:18 huginn` cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
12:18 cait @seen andreas
12:18 huginn` cait: I have not seen andreas.
12:18 cait @seen andreash
12:18 huginn` cait: I have not seen andreash.
12:18 cait hmmm
12:18 cait @seen oleonard
12:18 huginn` cait: oleonard was last seen in #koha 15 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on.
12:18 cait @andreashm
12:18 huginn` cait: downloading the Perl source
12:18 cait @seen andreashm
12:18 huginn` cait: andreashm was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 47 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <andreashm> ashimema++
13:31 cait Greece++ :)
13:33 kivilahtio can anybody tell me why Issues are Issues instead of Lendings/Loans?
13:33 kivilahtio We have Serial Issues/Magazines. I also have Issues.
13:33 kivilahtio So when I talk about my Issues, that doesn't make sense?
13:33 kivilahtio we also have branches and libraries?
13:33 kivilahtio is tehre a discussion about that?
13:34 kivilahtio Can I use Lendings instead of Issues?
13:34 kivilahtio or Loans ? which is more confortable in real life than Issues?
13:34 cait because the nz word for loan/checkout is issue
13:34 kivilahtio We also have Issues in our ISsue tracker
13:34 cait checkouts are only done in hotels there
13:35 cait lendings i have never heard of
13:35 cait i'd prefer t stick with the english gui language and use checkouts
13:35 kivilahtio I just browsed our library terms dictionary
13:35 kivilahtio checkuts is good
13:36 cait loans might also exist, but i think using something we already use woudl be good
13:36 kivilahtio just getting increasingly Issued with Issues.
13:36 cait i am also against issues to not confuse with serials
13:36 wahanui okay, cait.
13:36 kivilahtio thanks cait!
13:36 cait for branches and libraries - there was a discussion
13:36 cait branches applies some kind of hierarchy
13:36 cait which doesn't apply to consortia
13:36 cait they don't want to be a 'branch' of... x
13:37 cait library is more general - the gui should always be using library now i think
13:37 kivilahtio ok
13:37 kivilahtio thanks for the tip
13:37 cait no guarantees - but that's how i remember it :)
13:37 kivilahtio do we have a agreed terminology somewheere?
13:37 cait yep
13:37 kivilahtio because we just started one in KohaFinland
13:37 cait at least i thought so, let me check
13:37 kivilahtio I would like to map our terms to Koha-English counterparts
13:38 cait hm there is PERL7
13:38 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
13:38 cait but it misses some of the thigns we have worked towards to in the gui
13:40 cait I remember a longer list, might have gotten lost
13:54 ashimema anyone out there using an IPSec based vpn for their koha box?
13:57 cait no idea
13:58 kivilahtio ashimema: sounds cool
14:03 ashimema it's 'interesting'
14:03 ashimema good way to encrypt your sip traffic.. but I've not worked out how to do it yet ;)
14:04 kivilahtio ashimema: sounds like a good idea.
14:04 kivilahtio ashimema: Even better would be to completely redesign the Koha's SIP Server. Not sure if we could do it better tho...
14:05 kivilahtio ashimema: are there issues with vpn and SIP Server?
14:07 ashimema are there?
14:07 ashimema IPSec is just a VPN solution..
14:07 kivilahtio no idea. I am wondering why you are asking if there arent any?
14:08 ashimema can't see how redesignign the SIP server would help.. encryption isn't in the SIP spec.. so you'de be breaking the stnadard is you added encrpyption directly to the server ;)
14:09 ashimema hense why we tunnel it.. often via an ssh tunnel in our case..
14:09 cait i think the standard doesn't have encryption
14:09 ashimema but I'm certainly interesteing in the VPN route that one of our customers is wanting.
14:09 cait so the sip server is not to blame
14:09 ashimema ;)
14:09 ashimema that's what I was typing there cait
14:09 cait the sip server works failry well even, we hardly see any problems ever
14:09 cait just some things we could do a little better i guess or more things to implement
14:10 cait oh, saw it now *blushes*
14:10 * cait runs off
14:13 kivilahtio well I agree the SIP servers works well.
14:13 kivilahtio but it is a bit hard to get into
14:14 kivilahtio well, point taken
15:09 bag morning
15:19 * chris_n blinks and looks around
15:28 kivilahtio bag: evening
15:28 bag heh evening kivilahtio
15:28 cait hi bag
15:29 bag hi cait
15:29 kivilahtio so funny
15:50 reiveune bye
16:40 cait back
17:43 * magnuse waves again
17:48 * nengard waves back
17:53 * magnuse waves specifically at nengard
17:54 nengard :)
17:54 nengard so sweet
17:56 magnuse mikkel, our almost-6-month-old puffindog waves too
18:01 nengard awwwwwwww
18:03 magnuse hm, we should start pushing pics of him to flickr
18:52 magnuse hm, feels like whenever i edit a syspref in a textarea, my changes are not picked up and the "save" button is not activated. anyone else seeing that? i'm on 3.18.7
18:53 pianohacker magnuse: does clicking outside the textbox activate the save button?
18:53 pianohacker cait: working on a new set of patches including the system preference and new test plan
18:53 magnuse don't think so
18:53 pianohacker odd, it does on mine, though I am on master
18:53 cait magnuse: yep me too
18:53 cait could you file a bug?
18:53 cait htought i was going a little crazy :)
18:53 magnuse but it did get activated while i was reporting the problem here...
18:54 cait a change doesn't activate it every time
18:54 cait it's really annoying
18:54 pianohacker odd
18:54 cait pianohacker: could you update the bug? it was a question from someone really interested in it :)
18:55 * magnuse reports the bug
18:55 pianohacker cait: will do, soon soon, meeting-heavy day :)
18:55 cait magnuse: i think i saw it on master too...
18:55 magnuse cait: have you seen it on master?
18:55 magnuse ah
18:57 pianohacker magnuse: assign it to me? There are some lingering issues with sysprefs that I need to fix, and that should be one of them
18:58 magnuse bug 14389
18:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14389 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Editing a syspref in a textarea does not ednable the Save button
18:58 magnuse pianohacker: awesome, will do!
18:59 pianohacker thanks :)
19:00 magnuse done
19:00 magnuse ednable. gah!
19:00 cait huh?
19:01 magnuse i typhoed
19:02 pianohacker cait: side effect of bringing in rancor, we get a syntax-highlighting editor for sysprefs like that ;)
19:02 pianohacker well, not direct side effect, but we get the necessary library ;)
19:06 pianohacker cait: also, my message 22 minutes ago was re: your later about rancor from 3-4 days ago
19:06 cait i know :)
19:07 cait pianohacker: tihnk about adding not too much to the initial patch please
19:07 cait often worth having a separate feature separate
19:07 cait would be good to get some solid base tested soon
19:09 pianohacker cait: oh, heavens no, this would be a separate bug
19:09 cait good heh
19:11 * magnuse cheers rancor on
19:35 cait hm no tcohen today?
20:00 cait @later tell marcelr could you take a look at bug 14370? Looking for additional opinions and you had opened a similar one
20:00 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
21:26 wizzyrea cait, magnuse: that thing in sysprefs is a long standing issue I usually toss a space in there to activate the button, it's something to do with javascript not picking up paste operations as a keystroke
21:26 cait i think they tried to fix that
21:26 cait now it got worse
21:26 cait space is not enough
21:26 cait not for me at least
21:27 cait and typing it in, not pasting
21:27 cait i had it when testing the unwantedfields one recently
21:28 wizzyrea I hadn't noticed it getting worse and I've been dinking around with 3.18 quite a bit lately.
21:28 wizzyrea but I believe you if you say it is.
21:28 pianohacker new rancor patches! bug 11559
21:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface
21:28 cait woohoo
21:28 cait wizzyrea: i think it def changed - I know the bug you mean, but it seems a bit different now
21:30 cait we made some changes there for 3.18... but can't find the bug
21:31 cait bugs... always hiding when you start looking for one
21:32 wizzyrea 11464
21:33 wizzyrea bug 11464
21:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11464 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Saving preferences - Nothing to Save
21:34 pianohacker dangit :/ yeah, of course, it should be $(...).on('keyup, change')
21:34 pianohacker Joubu's fix in that bug will solve some problems but create others
21:34 cait wizzyrea++
21:34 pianohacker wizzyrea++
21:34 wizzyrea git_log++
21:34 cait heh
21:35 wizzyrea git knows everything :P
21:35 cait true
21:37 wizzyrea it is definitely hinky in 3.18.06+
21:37 pianohacker cait: open new bug or reopen?
21:37 wizzyrea ah, open a new one
21:37 cait pianohacker: i think maybe use magnus' one and link?
21:37 pianohacker ah, right
21:52 pianohacker cait/wizzyrea/magnuse: bug 14389
21:52 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14389 normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Editing a syspref in a textarea does not enable the Save button
21:53 wizzyrea \o/
21:53 cait pianohacker++
21:54 pianohacker seems like a good note to end on :) good night all
21:54 rangi pianohacker++
21:54 cait night pianohacker :)
21:54 wizzyrea gnite pianohacker
21:54 rangi if that can get pushed in the next few days, it can make 3.20.1
21:54 pianohacker woot!
22:14 wizzyrea A+ excellent bugfixing for 3.20
22:30 eythian hi
22:31 cait hi eythian
22:31 cait night all
22:31 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.