Time Nick Message 00:04 indradg eythian: that "accessing koha from internet" is a 3.8 install (not upgraded) 00:06 eythian indradg: sure, but it'll still work exactly the same way as it's apache configuration. 00:07 indradg sure! but either brave souls or with a death wish to take an old unpatched box online 00:08 eythian yes, definitely. 01:12 mtj hey #koha 01:12 mtj http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/black-mirror-sourceforge-has-now-siezed-nmap-audit-tool-project/ 01:13 mtj ..just in case people havent seen it yet 01:14 mtj just when you think you've seen in all.. someone surprises you, huh :/ 01:15 mtj http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/ 01:19 mtj looks like the old Koha project at SF hasnt been seized yet - thats good 01:20 mtj http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha/ 01:21 rangi i deleted all the tarballs off there ages ago 01:23 mtj hey rangi, good move 01:23 rangi ill see if i can remove the rest 01:24 rangi doesnt help randoms keep making new projects on there 01:24 rangi https://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-latest/?source=directory 01:25 mtj it sure does pay to have a plan-b, when using someone else's services for your project.. huh 01:26 rangi yup 01:29 mtj some of those koha projects on SF are pretty gonzo 01:32 rangi killed everything i can, sourceforge wont let you delete a project 01:33 eythian it's mostly windows binaries that they're co-opting. 01:33 eythian fortunately, we're immune to that. 01:42 cdickinson ugh, Sourceforge 01:43 cdickinson <huginn> Sent 6 days, 3 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <eythian> feel free to target Debian instead of Ubuntu if it's easier, I won't mind :D 01:43 cdickinson I've been online all week... 01:43 rangi it only tells you when you say something 01:43 eythian it only sends when it sees that you're actually there. 01:44 cdickinson oh, right 01:44 cdickinson huginn: can confirm, I'm alive 01:44 huginn cdickinson: I suck 01:44 cdickinson lol 01:45 cdickinson I think I remember the context though 01:45 cdickinson I was complaining about the bug in the libapache2-mpm-itk package, right? 01:45 cdickinson too late, I already made a hack in Puppet to work around it :P 01:46 cdickinson still need to report it though if it hasn't yet 01:47 eythian cdickinson: it's been reported long ago 01:47 cdickinson wow 01:47 cdickinson and it works fine in Debian and later versions of Ubuntu? 01:49 eythian yep 01:49 eythian I think they don't consider it important enough for an SRU 01:51 cdickinson eythian: I respectfully disagree with that :P 01:52 eythian No, it's true. I do think that they don't think it's that important :) 01:52 eythian https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpm-itk/+bug/1286882 01:52 cdickinson sorry, what I meant to say is that I disagree with THEIR opinion, not yours 01:54 cdickinson lol 01:57 eythian mtj: <mtj> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/ 01:57 eythian and then you're talking about putting stuff on github? 01:58 cdickinson oh yeah, that's right 01:58 * eythian feels that it's possible to take lessons from the sourceforge thing. 01:58 mtj um, are github added adware to their repos? 01:59 rangi not yet they arent 01:59 eythian no, but they're exactly the same sort of service. 01:59 mtj s/added/adding/ 01:59 rangi but sourceforge didnt for 15 years 02:01 mtj its OK with me if you remove the KC.org page on github, fyi 02:02 mtj for me, github is a useful mirror... only 02:02 eythian If you're a free software project, it seems better to encourage the use of free software services. 02:02 eythian and github definitely isn't. 02:02 mtj yeah, i agree 02:03 mtj like i said... its fin with me to remove it :0) 02:03 mtj fine 02:07 mtj eythian, rangi... having an up-to-date koha page on github has a few other positives too 02:08 eythian that wouldn't happen if it was mirrored on another service, like gitlab? 02:08 eythian I actually kinda like the idea of having a k-c hosted gitlab, but it would require too many workflow changes to take full advantage of it I feel. 02:09 mtj nope :) not this specific postive 02:10 cdickinson http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194 02:10 rangi @quote search coffee 02:10 huginn rangi: 1 found: #171: "rangi: I find proprietary software unethical...." 02:10 rangi @quote get 171 02:10 huginn rangi: Quote #171: "rangi: I find proprietary software unethical. So even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday, it would still suck" (added by wizzyrea at 08:10 PM, December 08, 2011) 02:10 rangi mtj: i stand by that 02:11 mtj lol, seriously awesome chris :) 02:13 rangi http://repo.or.cz/w/koha.git <-- thats an automatic mirror 02:13 rangi but yeah i think we could run up gitlab.koha-community.org 02:13 mtj it seems most of the perl6 stuff is happening on github, i was a bit shocked by that?! 02:15 rangi if there was a bugzilla -> gitlab importer 02:15 rangi that would be pretty sweet 02:15 rangi but first i think we would want to get a bunch of people to play with it, and see if they like it 02:16 rangi and if it's worth changing the workflow, and figuring out how that would work, with signoffs etc 02:18 eythian yeah 02:18 rangi i feel like our releases are really solid these days, and thats a testament to the signoff and qa process, so would have to figure out how that workflow would work with gitlab 02:19 mtj sounds exciting :) 02:20 mtj ..it might reveal some workflow improvements, to how we do things currently 02:22 mtj i have been curious to see how the bug workflow is happening on perl6/github 02:25 rangi as long as we dont move away from signoffs and qa, .. would be ok, if moved from patches to pull requests, but id resist any relaxing in qa standards thats for sure 02:25 eythian a gerrit style workflow could achieve a similar purpose. 02:27 rangi yep 02:31 rangi right, gonna try to nap and hopefully fight off this cough 02:36 cdickinson get better soon, rangi 02:40 mtj the qa-tools repo might be a good little test project for gitlab 02:40 mtj (afaik, its using github as a tracker) 02:41 mtj ..github as its bug tracker 02:42 mtj so.. not great :p 02:43 mtj i think lazyness won there 02:46 mtj yeah, gerrit too eythian :) 02:47 mtj ..also worth considering 02:47 mtj again 03:10 cdickinson <cdickinson> <huginn> Sent 6 days, 3 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <eythian> feel free to target Debian instead of Ubuntu if it's easier, I won't mind :D - actually, that got me thinking. I'll probably try my setup out with non-Ubuntu instances when I get it working with that as well 03:10 cdickinson how well supported is Red Hat-based distro in Koha? 03:10 eythian good plan, we tend to deploy Debian (but that's not set in stone) 03:10 eythian cdickinson: not nearly as well as Debian-based ones are 03:11 eythian you basically ahve to take the tarball and do it by hand 03:11 wizzyrea there was a project for redhat I saw just the other day to package an rpm, but I believe it was abandoned sometime around 3.10 03:13 cdickinson ahh 03:14 eythian yeah, I remember seeing people talking about it, but it's a fair bit of work. It took liw most of a year (I think?) to give us a solid enough foundation to build the debian packages on. 03:17 cdickinson yeah, I can understand that 03:51 * eythian is always surprised when I discover things don't work that I expected would. In this case, advanced search in the staff client works when I hadn't even got to looking at it yet. 03:51 eythian In this case, I wanted to see how it failed. 04:59 eythian 2097 result(s) found with limit(s): 'and mc-itype,phr:ARTICLE and mc-itype,phr:BOOK and and and and and and ' ... I maybe should fix that. 05:29 cdickinson hey eythian, is it possible to configure Koha with Zebra index running on a separate machine at the moment? 05:29 cdickinson even if it's still in the same package? 05:29 eythian yes, but not automatically, it's something of a manual process. 05:29 cdickinson That's fine, I'd just like to know how haha 05:29 eythian (basically, edit the relevant bits of koha-conf.xml.) 05:29 eythian disclaimer: I've never done this. 05:29 cdickinson okay 05:29 cdickinson I'll take a look 05:29 cdickinson heh 05:35 cdickinson I take it it's <biblioserver> and <authorityserver> in particular I need to look at? Can they be repeated to add more than one server? 05:42 eythian yeah, and I don't know 05:57 liw eythian, it only took about three months, for the Debian packages, if I remember correctly; but I had the benefit of sitting in the office with you and rangi etc 06:41 reiveune hello 07:00 alex_a bonjour 07:00 wahanui hola, alex_a 07:25 gaetan_B hello 07:25 wahanui hi, gaetan_B 07:36 marcelr hi #koha 07:45 fridolin hie 07:47 nlegrand Hey #koha 08:04 marcelr hi fridolin nlegrand 08:08 fridolin hie marcelr 08:46 nlegrand o/ marcelr 10:09 marcelr thx Joubu #bug 14327 10:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14327 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Fix js error "TypeError: events is null" in additem.js 10:09 marcelr Joubu++ 10:11 Joubu marcelr: you're welcome! 12:17 tcohen morning 12:17 tcohen cait: i sent it 12:18 cait ah cool 12:18 tcohen he's just an asshole 12:18 tcohen sorry for that 12:18 cait ah, so you sent it a while ago 12:18 cait gr 12:19 tcohen that day I sent it to the list and to marshall 12:19 cait maybe he missed it? 12:19 tcohen yeah, sure 12:19 cait heh 12:20 tcohen maybe someone could remind him 12:22 cait hm yes maybe :) 12:23 cait just got your email :) 12:25 tcohen Joubu++ 12:30 marcelr hi tcohen cait 12:30 marcelr khall around? 12:31 khall yo 12:31 marcelr khall: bug 14167 12:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14167 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Koha::Logger based on Log4perl 12:31 marcelr why DEBUG as your level in the conf? better WARN or so? 12:31 tcohen hi marcelr khall 12:31 cait hi marcelr 12:31 marcelr :) 12:32 khall marcelr: good idea 12:32 marcelr shall i add it in a followup? 12:32 khall please do! 12:33 tcohen fo-llow-up! fo-llow-up! 12:34 marcelr you like them heh, tomas 12:34 tcohen if it makes Koha::Logger get passed-qa... :-D 12:35 marcelr it would not be a blocker :) 12:35 marcelr but we should not log debug by default.. 12:36 tcohen definitely 12:39 marcelr oops permissions.. 12:39 marcelr Can't open /var/log/koha/test/intranet-error.log (Permission denied) at /usr/share/perl5/Log/Log4perl/Appender/File.pm line 103. 12:40 marcelr always nice 12:40 cait I still have the tax patches on my list... was wondering if someone could run the update with some more acq data than i have 12:40 cait and test this bit 12:41 drojf hi #koha 12:41 tcohen hi drojf 12:41 marcelr hi drojf 12:41 drojf hi tcohen and marcelr 12:42 xarragon I am trying to add an item to my catalogue, and I am getting an error: "Unsupported UNIMARC character encoding [] for XML output for UNIMARC" is this some known configuration mistake? I found some very old bugs on the tracker with similar messages. 12:50 AmitG hi tchoen 12:50 AmitG hit tcohen 12:51 tcohen hi AmitG 12:51 AmitG @bug 13993 12:51 huginn AmitG: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13993 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Passed QA , Transfer order from one vendor to another vendor previous orderstatus is not changed. 12:51 AmitG @bug 6810 12:51 huginn AmitG: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amitddng135, ASSIGNED , Send membership expiry reminder notices 12:55 cait xarragon: is your installation set up with unimarc? 12:55 cait xarragon: i think I'd suspect that sweden would use MARC21 13:02 xarragon cait: Ah, you are probably right. I remember not knowing how to configure it and just used some random default.. 13:03 cait i think i'd fix that first 13:03 cait you system might not be properly set up 13:03 cait how did you install koha? packages or dev installation? 13:04 xarragon It is a dev installation. But it is kind of broken since I just wanted something up and running. 13:05 xarragon cait: I am testing out other people's patches, so having a proper working installation is probably a good idea. 13:05 cait the marc flavour is set at 2 steps during installation 13:05 cait when you run Makefile it will ask 13:05 cait you want to say marc21 there 13:05 cait it will be the default 13:05 cait the next is running the web installer 13:05 cait there you want to pick marc21 too 13:06 cait i think you might have some mismatch there maybe 13:06 xarragon I belive I reinstalled it and set it to unimarc at one point, so that is probably the error. is there any way to see the flavor in the db or installation files? I looked in koha-conf but saw nothing obious. 13:06 cait your installed frameworks/database setting might not match what zebra indexes 13:06 cait i think i'd rerun it to make sure 13:07 cait there is a pref, but that won't help you much 13:07 xarragon Anyway, I will nuke this install and make clean one, there have been some db upgrade issues before anyway, so I need it clean. 13:07 xarragon 7win 7 13:07 xarragon whupsie 13:18 cait xarragon: for explanation: unimarc is the marc flavour used in france and maybe some other counries, but most use marc21 13:19 cait xarragon: and there are quite big differences, so you want to have the right one for your data 13:19 cait xarragon: for example 200 is title in unimarc, 245 in marc21 13:19 cait xarragon: and then there is also NORMARC, which is more similar to MARC21 but not quite and used in norway 13:19 wahanui okay, cait. 13:21 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14111 - More t/Auth_with_shibboleth.t silencing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e726e3ee1e519d138074a986c27a2c393e23701> / Bug 14111: Silence warnings in t/Auth_with_shibboleth.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=85a057bc5e1ff5b70bfe6a332e197a51af60bcee> / Bug 13382 - RDA: 700/710/711 display in XSLT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm 13:24 marcelr tcohen++ # 5010 is the first step :) 13:25 tcohen marcelr: as you said, a first step. i'm happy too 13:26 cait the second meeting suggested to move the prefs to koha_conf.xml 13:26 cait hopefully it's in the logs 13:31 tcohen cait: i read that 13:31 tcohen i'd go further 13:31 tcohen i'd like a set of preferences that describe explicitly the use case 13:32 tcohen something "I am set using HTTP but I'm behind a reverse proxy that puts SSL on top of me" 13:32 tcohen not only a hardcoded protocol 13:37 cait yougot me confused 13:37 cait i think we need something that is easy for the library 13:37 cait also you might be reachable via multiple domains... so they can set the preferred one? 13:38 cait out of my depth there... i am mostly hoping it will finally be more consistent 13:39 tcohen the simple situations should be trivial for end-users 14:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14024: DBRev 3.21.00.005 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e178435ca7d1dc27b71569f0a3606ce86d5e8506> / Bug 14024 - add reports to action logs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42a5ef16806c906111528b9acb5ceed703722d7c> / Bug 14024 - add reports to action logs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=49c364f94b54fa5db5388d2125d1392581108 14:02 cait oh wow 14:02 cait big stuff :) 14:03 cait syspref module and opacbaseurl 14:03 tcohen =D 14:06 xarragon cait: Ok, thanks. I knew my MARC framwork was b0rked, I plan to configure one Koha install to use the Swedish defaults, but I do not have them available at the time. 14:07 xarragon cait: I also discovered that if the database is not created when you run the web installer, you will get a somewhat unclear message about 'blah blah on unblessed reference', but the apache logs will tell the full story. 14:08 cait hm 14:08 cait wonder why it would not be created 14:08 cait doens#t it check the name and permissions on one of the steps? 14:08 cait hi mveron :) 14:08 mveron hi cait :-) 14:09 cait gone for a bit. 14:09 cait finnnd 14:09 xarragon cait: I executed DROP DATABASE koha; before reloading the 127.0.1.1:8080 page. 14:09 cait to find a real late breakfast :) 14:10 cait hm, and didnÄt run create database koha after? 14:10 xarragon cait: yeah 14:10 xarragon cait: So it was my own fault. 14:10 cait hard to catch all possible things i guess 14:10 cait but it's what i ususally do 14:10 cait drop database... create database.. 14:10 xarragon cait: I added it under the 'common errors' section to the wiki page I made: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian_Jessie_development_setup#Common_Errors 14:10 cait and yu don't need to rerun the permission command then 14:11 xarragon cait: Well, it is nothing wrong with Koha, just me being stupid. But I figured it might help someone, or possibly one could make the module output a slightly more clear message. 14:21 tcohen @later tell eythian I think the hard disk is full for jessie-build.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz 14:21 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 14:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14142 - Holds queue viewer only displays first subtitle from marc keyword mappings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d76c9f4850c9ba7605f2c405838f973c70a70b61> / Bug 13815 - plack loose CGI qw(-utf8) flag creating incorrect utf-8 encoding everywhere <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cd086b6b6be08d902a479f302ccf18e55de911b> / Bug 14267: How active is active? < 14:54 cait hi there.... i'd like to try my hand at some message/notice related patches this week - could maybe someone take a lok at bug 12532? 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12532 new feature, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, Failed QA , Redirect guarantee email to guarantor 14:55 cait hm 14:55 cait wrong number again 14:55 cait bug 13972 14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Include fields from subscription and serial table in serial notification email 15:00 tcohen khall: your Sysprefs package broke several tests :-D 15:00 tcohen might be related to how caching is expected 15:01 khall hmm 15:01 tcohen ah, and a merge error from me regarding OPACBaseUrl 15:01 tcohen @seen mtompset 15:01 huginn tcohen: mtompset was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 34 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a great day, #koha 15:05 tcohen jajm: please let me know when you have some spare minutes 15:07 tcohen khall: difficult to figure 15:07 khall tcohen: what't the bug number on that? 15:08 tcohen bug 13967 introduced the package for sysprefs 15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13967 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , System preferences need a package 15:08 tcohen if that's what you are asking 15:11 tcohen bisected using t/db_dependent/Acquisition.t: http://snag.gy/ThBRY.jpg 15:19 tcohen @later tell mtompset do we really need to check if every syspref is OPACBaseURL? to fix it just in case? 15:19 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:30 gaetan_B bye 18:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13967: (RM followup) fix merge error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fed5e7b6bb1be35b2bd8e0177cba96292cdba8ee> / Bug 13967: (QA followup) Make DBIx control transactions on tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e11350fe378daa6f90f1750422f081538e15138> 18:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:57 indradg hi mtompset 19:07 mtompset @seen tchoen 19:07 huginn mtompset: I have not seen tchoen. 19:07 mtompset @seen tcohen 19:07 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 47 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <tcohen> @later tell mtompset do we really need to check if every syspref is OPACBaseURL? to fix it just in case? 19:07 mtompset Awww... I was the last thing on his mind. :) 19:40 mtompset tcohen: I love you too, man. ;) 20:17 mtompset I hopefully submitted the patch as you correctly, gmcharlt. :) 20:17 mtompset bug 14334 20:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14334 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , DBI fighting DBIx over Autocommit in tests 20:18 mtompset (the t/db_dependent/Letter.t one) 20:19 gmcharlt mtompset: yep, I think you're on the right track 20:19 mtompset I'm doing each one as a commit, so we can push them as fast as possible. tcohen ask for these ones first. 20:32 mtompset @later tell tcohen Is t/db_dependent/Acquisition/FillWithDefaultValues.t even writing to the DB at all? Why is that dbh stuff even there? 20:32 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 20:46 * rangi resists the desire to reply to the ALIADA email 20:50 mtompset You can't automate linking well, can you? 21:36 mtompset A's "complete"... though feedback on two would be appreciated. 21:36 mtompset bug 14334 21:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14334 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , DBI fighting DBIx over Autocommit in tests 21:36 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 23:01 eythian hi 23:02 eythian @later tell tcohen yes, it is. Looking into it now. 23:02 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 23:24 eythian @later tell tcohen I added a 15GB volume and moved /srv to that, it's happier now. Keep an eye on it though, make sure nothing is leaking space. 23:24 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 23:26 rangi sup NateC 23:27 eythian @later tell tcohen oh, I've also turned on auto-rebooting when updates require it, though I don't expect that's very common. 23:27 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.