Time Nick Message 23:27 rangi she only works a few hours a week 23:25 huginn mtompset: aleisha was last seen in #koha 5 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <aleisha> how can i get a Debian Jessie box? 23:25 mtompset @seen aleisha 23:25 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 23:23 rangi cya magnuse 23:13 magnuse have fun #koha 22:57 eythian used to be the indexing would give you a count 22:57 wizzyrea ah right, different stage, as you were. 22:56 eythian iirc the export talks to you, but the indexing is silent unless you put enough -v in that it dumps debug data at you 22:55 wizzyrea with the dots? 22:55 wizzyrea you mean the 100/200/300 thing right? 22:54 wizzyrea it's double verbose! 22:54 wizzyrea two v's usually gets you the progress indicator 22:54 wizzyrea ? 22:54 wizzyrea -v -v 22:53 eythian should make a wget-style metre thing to show it. 22:53 eythian and yeah, losing the progress was annoying 22:53 eythian I wouldn't expect it to be a good sign 22:53 eythian hmm 22:52 magnuse hm, when it says "00:28:32-03/06 zebraidx(25646) [warn] Couldn't open collection.abs [No such file or directory]" is it working on the indexing or has it stalled? i miss the progress indicator during the indexing phase... 22:51 magnuse small world, eh? :-) 22:49 rangi ashimema asked a question and the answer is what i wanted to know 22:49 rangi https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10718776/mysql-to-update-an-xml-attribute 22:49 rangi heh 22:48 rangi im betting on the indexing 22:48 * magnuse wonders what will last longer - reindexing or the laptop battery 22:45 * cait waves and vanishes 22:45 magnuse kia ora akafred 22:41 eythian at least, I'm pretty sure a package install works on 2.4, though I haven't looked in a while. 22:40 eythian cait: I think so. 22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14317 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Apache 2.4 Directory config needs Require all granted 22:38 cait bug 14317 22:38 cait hm didn't we fix fr apache 2.4? 22:37 eythian ah, ta 22:37 eythian that's where I got to, too. 22:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12584 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-conf.xml for package installations get out of sync 22:37 magnuse bug 12584 22:37 magnuse in bugzilla? ;-) 22:34 eythian magnuse: where's your bug about automatically upgrading the koha-conf.xml on package updates? 22:27 magnuse yeah, wouldn't hurt if we could find a way to avoid it 22:27 eythian I'd quite like to know how it gets into that state. 22:26 eythian koha-stop-zebra, pkill zebra, koha-start-zebra 22:25 magnuse gah, i'm getting the thing where the koha-* scripts think zebra is not runing, even if it is 22:24 magnuse slow tv 22:24 magnuse yeah, that's us 22:24 eythian it's either that or multi-day camera-on-a-boat things, I guess. 22:23 eythian magnuse: good, that's what I thought. 22:23 magnuse eythian: yeah, Lillyhammer gives you a completely true picture of norwegian society :-) 22:18 wizzyrea it was horrible earlier, but nice now 22:18 eythian hi magnuse. Been learning a lot about Norway lately from watching Lillyhammer. You seem to have a problem with organised crime. 22:18 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (9:30 AM NZST on June 03, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady). 22:18 magnuse @wunder wellington, nz 22:18 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (11:50 PM CEST on June 02, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady). 22:18 magnuse @wunder boo 22:17 magnuse kia ora eythian 22:14 eythian hi 22:13 tcohen need to close the computer lid and enjoy family, see u #koha 22:10 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "magnuse: this makes a difference" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/127 22:10 magnuse yeah the current kohadevbox is not very fast 22:09 tcohen really faster 22:09 tcohen magnuse: i just found that an NFS mount is way faster than the crappy VBox share 22:09 tcohen cait: i need kohadevbox for that job you're waiting for :-D 22:08 magnuse hehe 22:08 cait magnuse: we need to keep him focused ;) 22:08 magnuse yeah, if i accept them :-) 22:07 tcohen magnuse: do you know if kohadevbox would accept pull requests? 22:06 magnuse yay 22:05 tcohen =D 22:05 tcohen magnuse: this one was a good one 22:05 magnuse distractions-- 22:04 magnuse yay! 22:04 tcohen got a bit distracted today 22:04 tcohen almost there :-P 22:04 magnuse plack? 22:03 * magnuse cheers tcohen on 22:03 cait wasn't your project of the week something else? 22:03 cait don#t get overboard :) 22:03 tcohen O_o 22:03 * tcohen thinks we could even ship the Vagrantfile with Koha's source 22:02 tcohen cait: those shell scripts could just be ansible roles/tasks 22:00 tcohen hi magnuse 22:00 tcohen and runs some scripts that set a koha dev environment 22:00 tcohen it creates a virtual machine 22:00 cait heya magnuse :) 22:00 * magnuse waves :-) 22:00 cait i should i think :) 22:00 cait not yet 22:00 tcohen cait: have you used kohadevbox? 21:59 cait *confused* 21:59 tcohen don't worry cait, it will take me too little amount of time :-P 21:58 cait hm? 21:56 tcohen has anyone written kohadevbox using ansible? 21:52 rangi sometimes you have to apply, some things are your branch only, but that's pretty rare 21:52 rangi not that that matters too much 21:52 rangi you keep the extra signoff too that way 21:52 wizzyrea well ok then 21:52 tcohen that ^^^ 21:51 tcohen we recommend using cherry-pick -x which puts the hash of the cherry picked commit on the commit message 21:51 rangi yep i do cherry-pick -x 21:50 cait rangi? tcohen? 21:50 cait hm not sure... cherry pick might have some history where it got picked from? 21:49 wizzyrea yeah I haven't had to do any of those yet. 21:49 cait those are not on bugzilla 21:49 * tcohen hides 21:49 cait hm and database update changes 21:49 cait sometimes the rm does follow-ups 21:48 wizzyrea unless there's a reason not to do it that way 21:48 wizzyrea git-bz apply -s xxxxx 21:48 wizzyrea yeah, I've been using bz to apply my patches rather than cherry pick 21:48 tcohen but should be a good starting point 21:48 tcohen that wiki can be enhanced 21:47 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance 21:47 wizzyrea but will go look it up now 21:47 wizzyrea well, clearly not :P 21:46 tcohen release maintenance? 21:46 wizzyrea ha 21:46 wizzyrea oh 21:46 rangi git push gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.18.x:3.18.x 21:46 tcohen wizzyrea: have you seen the wiki? 21:46 wizzyrea or no +ssh 21:46 wizzyrea git+ssh://git.koha-community.org/ ??? /koha.git 3.18.x 21:45 wizzyrea what's the correct push url 21:43 tcohen wizzyrea++ 21:42 wizzyrea I will give it a go :) 21:42 rangi wizzyrea: wanna try a push to 3.18 now? 21:07 rangi hehe 21:01 tcohen i had something to talk with you, and I just forgot 21:01 tcohen hi rangi 20:51 drojf morning rangi. and good night #koha 20:51 cait morning rangi 20:50 rangi morning 20:25 cait hi tcohen :) 20:20 tcohen hi there 20:01 drojf hi cait and indradg :) 19:48 indradg evening drojf :) 19:48 cait hi drojf :) 19:43 drojf evening #koha 19:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13219 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Add graphs to guided reports 19:41 indradg found that while grepping for console in bug 13219 19:40 indradg thanks pianohacker, coz I see a console.log call also in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/quotes.tt 19:40 pianohacker and if there isn't a global console object, which there might not be if firebug/devtools/etc. isn't active, it can cause the JS to fail 19:39 pianohacker usually a sign you forgot something 19:39 pianohacker indradg: I'd say that's right 19:38 pianohacker and some, you can chop up, but rancor is this big lump of stuff 19:38 pianohacker yeah... 19:38 cait gigantic = painful testing 19:37 cait i have a strong dislike for gigantic bugs 19:37 cait yeah... that's the problem about them 19:37 pianohacker they'll just all be gigantic :) 19:37 pianohacker cait: there'll only be maybe 4 bugs 19:23 cait just worried to get the qa queue filled up again i guess :) 19:22 cait the one thing at a time? heh 19:22 pianohacker cait: well, sure, if I want to be boring about it... 19:17 tcohen bye #koha 18:39 indradg because it is a statement used for debugging mostly? 18:38 indradg i've a question for perl and QA gurus here... why is 'console.log' deemed as forbidden in the qa-tools? 18:37 indradg kia ora 18:11 tcohen how do I ask if a column is a primary key for a table in DBIX? 18:05 tcohen ouch, bug in testBuilder 18:01 khall nice! 18:00 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "khall: like this" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/126 17:52 cait :) 17:52 cait pianohacker: i think important is to focus on one thing after the other maybe, all are quite big 17:33 tcohen :-D 17:33 tcohen sounds like an awesome plan 17:33 tcohen :-D 17:28 pianohacker what are you working on these days? 17:28 pianohacker I'm currently working on SAML/Shibboleth problems, but now that I'm full time I'll be working to get Rancor, the hourly loans, etc accepted :) 17:27 tcohen =D 17:27 pianohacker tcohen: bugs bugs bugs 17:26 tcohen what will you focus on this time? 17:26 tcohen so you are back .-D 17:26 tcohen hi pianohacker 17:07 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 17:07 pianohacker @later tell ashimema Interesting shibboleth bug... the current code creates a new session on every page load, which is fine until you move things to the staff side. Just got rid of that; can you think of any quirky problems with the rest of the shib code that that might cause? 16:50 gaetan_B bye 16:48 pianohacker ashimema: around? 16:26 AmitG hi 16:12 tcohen hi 14:30 reiveune bye 13:06 * magnuse wanders off 11:16 cait nlegrand: hm yeah, using shelving locations would be a good way for groupng 10:14 nlegrand I'm about to try to correctly map the items.location field based on the callnumber, but il will certainly be a single batch job 10:13 nlegrand ha, callnumber is kind of a mess here. Because the BULAC is a super library made from a lot of smaller ones. So we have as much callnumbers as there were different libraries contributing... :) 10:09 cait i think what they do is a bit more complicated - having callnumber ranges mapped to locations and different printrs 10:08 cait we just got a paper from a library evaluating koha and stack requests were a concern there 10:08 cait nlegrand: glad to hear that :) 10:07 nlegrand :) 10:07 cait did someone say stack? 10:01 gaetan_B somehow they always are o_O 10:00 nlegrand gaetan_B: I was blocked thinking they wouldn't want to change our itemtypes, but the more we talk about it, the more our current itemtypes seem silly :) 09:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13881 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add desk management 09:57 nlegrand ashimema: we want to add desks location to holds (bug 13881) and to add some way to tell part of the "holds to pull" items are already about to be fetched or not 09:56 nlegrand ashimema: then it appears in "holds to pull list", you can retrive the book in stacks, check them in, so they pass to the "holds awaiting pickup" list 09:55 nlegrand ashimema: well you can do it right now by using specific itemtypes for items in stacks and by allowing shelf holds for this itemtype 09:54 gaetan_B but Andreas doesn't seem to be around today 09:54 gaetan_B nlegrand: that is very good news :) I think the Stockholm people might have looked into it this way too 09:54 * magnuse joins mveron 09:54 * mveron Lunch... 09:51 ashimema stack requests 09:51 * ashimema perks up his ears.. 09:48 nlegrand gaetan_B: and it will be far simpler than it is right now :) 09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13881 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add desk management 09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout 09:48 nlegrand gaetan_B: you were right :). We can use on shelf holds to make patrons requests books from our closed stacks. With bug 14045, bug 13881 and a bit more glue we will be able to handle stack requests :). 09:04 * Viktor loves Plack response times with a passion! From 1220ms waiting for the .pl to 122ms. Lots of ++ to all involved in improving Plack support! 08:52 indradg__ hi nlegrand 08:32 nlegrand hey #koha 08:28 indradg__ Hi AmitG 08:27 AmitG hi indradg_ 08:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14313 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , OPAC: Adding a comment makes result browser disappear 08:00 mveron Reason for Bug 14313 found and fixed. 07:41 gaetan_B hello 07:01 alex_a bonjour 07:00 fridolin hie there 06:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14313 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC: Adding a comment makes result browser disappear 06:53 mveron Can anybody confirm Bug 14313 ? 06:51 dcook I'll just play it safe for now, as I only have 9 more minutes to work today 06:51 dcook Oh, I just mean it's more work as it'll add heaps of new stuff 06:51 magnuse i don't think that should matter 06:51 dcook Hmm... it's a totally new template so that probably won't help 06:50 dcook thanks, cait 06:50 cait have to run - bbiab 06:50 cait perl translate update de-DE - check if it turns up as a new string 06:50 dcook Hmm 06:50 cait but i'd still do a test run on anything i am not sure about 06:50 cait think those would indeed be saver 06:50 cait over the normal if else constructs 06:50 cait but i am ont sure if this has any advantage 06:49 dcook Maybe [% framework_name = 'Default' %] is a better example 06:49 dcook Hmm 06:49 magnuse [% IF %][% ELSE %][% END %] is probably safer 06:49 cait dcook: best way is to try and find out 06:49 magnuse i suspect it might be. cait might know? 06:48 dcook Since the strings are actually embedded in the TT code... that's probably bad, eh? 06:48 magnuse dcook++ 06:48 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Untranslateable?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124 06:47 mveron Hi #koha 06:47 dcook Merde! 06:47 dcook Hmm, although maybe my usage will actually make it impossible to translate... 06:47 dcook hey paul_p 06:46 dcook Also using TT a bit differently than we have before.. 06:46 paul_p bonjour magnus & dcook & others 06:46 dcook Beavering away on that OAI harvester.. 06:46 dcook heya magnuse 06:46 magnuse howdy dcook & paul_p 06:37 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:28 reiveune hi magnuse dcook :) 06:28 magnuse bonojur reiveune 06:28 reiveune hello 06:19 * magnuse waves too 06:19 magnuse why in particular this time? :-) 06:19 magnuse eythian++ 06:18 cait eythian++ 06:18 cait good morning #koha 04:44 mtj nice, ill add the bug to that later 04:33 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help could update this 04:30 eythian even make a bug for it. 04:30 eythian that we can give to people who want to do some misc koha hacking 04:30 eythian that should get added to a list somewhere 04:30 eythian ah well 04:28 mtj other than that... i agree with you both completely 04:25 mtj atm, theres no budget for a fix 04:25 eythian a) 400 things shouldn't cause a big slowdown, b) if they're before the circdate, they shouldn't be considered anyway. 04:24 eythian mtj: a better solution would be to fix the inefficiency causing the problem, wouldn't it? 04:23 mtj which is a pretty big deal, for checkout 04:22 mtj ...and got a circ time reduction, from 14 to 5 seconds 04:21 mtj fwiw, i trimmed 400 'old' special_holiday rows, down to 50 04:20 wizzyrea this sounds kind of familiar, there might be one 04:18 mtj ..ill try to log a BZ bug tho, at least 04:18 wizzyrea stink. 04:17 mtj atm, theres no budget here for a proper fix - so im gonna have to settle for a quikfix :/ 04:16 wizzyrea that's probably harder, though. 04:16 wizzyrea so a backdated one would only take into account holidays that would affect it's circulation period 04:15 wizzyrea I'd probably rather see a fix that limits the holiday calculation from the date of circ. 04:15 mtj agree 04:14 wizzyrea i mean, it's already overdue. 04:14 wizzyrea and, it would seem to me that nobody would much care if the due date on a backdated circ fell on a holiday day that was already past 04:14 mtj ..then a backdate from > 2015-01-01 would be corrct, at least 04:14 wizzyrea depends on how far back you expect someone would want to backdate a circ 04:13 mtj so, perhaps the comprise might be to save old circs from 2015.. 04:12 mtj ah yeah, ok.. 03:59 wizzyrea it'll be correct per the data it has, if you delete the holidays. 03:59 wizzyrea well, "correct" - "expected" is possibly a better term. 03:59 wizzyrea but you might not care. 03:59 wizzyrea if one were to backdate a circ, it would have a hard time calculating a correct duedate. 03:57 mtj can anyone come up with a reason why doing that might cause a problem? ^ 03:56 mtj the workaround would be to delete those old holidays 03:55 mtj ..if so, some SQL to select only current holidays would be the fix here, huh 03:54 mtj koha seems to be processesing all holiday rows during circ... even old ones? 03:52 mtj the reason why is... there seems to be quite a big performamce hit for having old holidays 03:51 mtj ..can anyone see a problem in deleting/trimming old holiday,s from the special_holidays table? 03:51 mtj heres a random circ q, #koha... 02:24 indradg eythian +1 for release notes 02:23 indradg thanks mtj :) 02:20 rangi thats not a bad plan 02:18 eythian (I really want to start adding the release notes into the changelog) 02:17 eythian and tracking progressive changelog updates and pushing them upstream 02:17 eythian also, handling weird things like 3.20~beta1 02:17 rangi true 02:17 eythian for example, things can't go into the repo if they're not signed 02:17 rangi assuming they build ok 02:16 eythian yeah, building is fine, deploying I'm somewhat more cautious of 02:16 rangi but when it sees tags, it could build and put them in the repo even 02:16 rangi just to test they arent broken 02:16 rangi it would be also good to have it building packages everytime master changes 02:16 rangi once it sees the tag pushed 02:16 wizzyrea eythian++ for knowing all the things 02:16 rangi well it could kick it off at least 02:15 eythian maaaybe 02:14 mtj jenking could run that build too, huh? 02:13 mtj that will be pretty satisfying to sort 02:12 eythian but I also want to get package builds a lot more automated first. 02:12 mtj gotcha 02:12 eythian explaining that to people is going to be tricky. 02:12 eythian so you can add stable, or you can add 3.18 02:11 eythian one of these days, I want to have both release-based, and whatever-it's-called-that-I-do-now-based distributions 02:11 eythian yeah 02:09 mtj so, would only be able to be installed manually, with 'dpkg -i ./file.deb' etc? 02:07 mtj ...with 3.20 release - 3.16 is now 'oldoldstable' 02:06 mtj eythian: aah, we dont have an 'oldoldstable' distribution defined, for the 'koha-common' package.. 02:00 mtj indradg: i just saw your Bengali commit in master.. good spotting :p 01:57 mtj i could possibly? build/upload the 3.16 package myself... i dont mind 01:55 mtj hey eythian, thanks for the headsup ^ 00:25 indradg it will prolly hold for another 10 days... until the monsoons get here 00:24 eythian indradg: yeah, I've seen the news of the heat wave there, not so good :( 00:24 eythian chilly old sydney 00:24 dcook My hands did feel a bit frosty... 00:24 indradg eythian we are having a phenomenal heat wave that is killing people faster than a swine flu epidemic - http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/heatwave-toll-crosses-2300-andhra-pradesh-reports-over-1700-deaths-767856 00:24 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 13.0°C (10:00 AM AEST on June 02, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 00:24 dcook @wunder syd 00:20 eythian that's a bit less pleasant weather, I feel :) 00:17 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0°C (5:20 AM IST on June 02, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 00:17 indradg @wunder kolkata 00:16 eythian indradg: :) 00:16 eythian it gets it from yahoo weather. 00:16 indradg eythian++ for libtest-perl-critic-progressive-perl :) 00:15 ibeardslee getting it from a different place? 00:14 eythian the weather on my watch is saying "thunderstorms" 00:13 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on June 02, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 00:13 eythian @wunder nzwn 00:00 eythian I do plan to change that one day, but it requires a bit of work and planning.