Time  Nick       Message
22:55 mtompset   I'm so much closer to not having to roll custom distributions. :)
22:54 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol
22:54 mtompset   marcelr++ # for taking on bug 5010. :)
22:53 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC)
22:53 mtompset   marcelr++ # for taking on bug 6874
22:51 mtompset   eythian++ # Thanks for helping get a bug testing Debian Jessie box spun up. :)
22:48 eythian    aleisha: this is why we have a Cloud :)
22:47 aleisha    how can i get a Debian Jessie box?
22:44 eythian    aleisha: if you need servers for things, let me know. We have plenty we can spin up as needed.
22:39 aleisha    no i don't
22:38 mtompset   Do you have a Debian Jessie box to test it on, aleisha? :)
22:36 mtompset   And now that you spoke, you know why. :)
22:36 aleisha    hi mtompset :)
22:36 mtompset   aleisha! The person I was hoping to see. :)
22:14 mtompset   Greetings, eythian rangi wizzyrea. :)
22:11 wizzyrea   hi
22:09 rangi      morning
22:06 eythian    also, hi
22:06 huginn     eythian: The operation succeeded.
22:06 eythian    @later tell cdickinson feel free to target Debian instead of Ubuntu if it's easier, I won't mind :D
21:22 indradg    hi #koha
19:42 nengard    no clue on the delete tool ...
19:42 nengard    if there is a default value in your framework it will fill that value in in the editor
19:35 misilot    question what does,  "Populate fields with default values from default framework " do on the batch record and batch item deletion pages?
19:27 talljoy    darn missed him
19:26 talljoy    hahahaha
19:26 talljoy    tcohen i just heard from brendan.  he says that Fernet and Orange Soda do not go well together.  fyi.
18:18 nengard    okay ... I might be done with the 3.20 manual
16:02 nengard    found it :) thank you!!
16:02 nengard    yes - sorry was on the phone
15:54 tcohen     kohafield column
15:53 tcohen     it stores the mapping on the default framework
15:53 tcohen     nengard: ?
15:47 tcohen     marc_subfield_structure
15:36 nengard    what table stores the koha to marc mapping info?
15:34 tcohen     mtompset: thanks
15:28 mtompset   tcohen: He is rarely around.
15:28 * mtompset smirks.
15:27 huginn     tcohen: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 11 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <dpavlin> hooray for everybody involved!
15:27 tcohen     @seen dpavlin
15:12 reiveune   bye
15:11 tcohen     morning talljoy
15:09 talljoy    morning
14:20 mveron     :-)
14:19 mveron     QUit
14:19 * mveron   away meeting
14:17 mtompset   Curses. He left already.
14:16 mtompset   I found it.
14:16 mtompset   942$n!
14:14 mtompset   942....
14:10 mtompset   I can't remember the MARC code.
14:09 mtompset   Barbarian.... there is a MARC code for that.
13:59 Barbarian  Anyways, it's clock-out time for me. Going home to play games and drink beer. Thanks for the help once again!
13:51 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Hidden biblios without item attached not hidden
13:51 Barbarian  Bug 14288 <--- added
13:47 Barbarian  Alrighty, I'll put it up then
13:47 mveron     Barbarian: I think it's good to have some trace in Bugzilla.
13:44 Barbarian  mveron: Do you also want me to put up a new low-priority bug about hidden biblios without items attached? It's a fairly rare situation, I would imagine, but still very confusing if you don't get any results on Google.
13:41 * magnuse  wanders off
13:39 Barbarian  It isn't *exactly* the same, but sure.
13:38 mveron     Can you comment on the Bug that it is resolved for you?
13:38 Barbarian  mveron: Could very well be. Cleared up my related 404 issue.
13:37 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9966 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incorrect 404 when a search returns one result hidden by OpacHiddenItems
13:37 mveron     And Bug 9966 - Maybe this is resolved by re-indexing
13:37 Barbarian  That bug is rather confusingly written
13:35 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14007 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Item Types for items hidden by OpacHiddenItems turn up in facet results
13:35 mveron     Barbarian: Bug 14007 could be related to your issue
13:29 mtompset   What is the MARC code I'm trying to remember, drojf?
13:29 Barbarian  Thanks for the help
13:29 mtompset   I remember drojf did something with that code.
13:29 Barbarian  I'll shoot an email over to our librarian so he knows to make sure all textbooks have at least one item attached to them
13:29 mveron     Great :-)
13:29 Barbarian  Hurray!
13:29 Barbarian  Doing a zebra-rebuild fixed it
13:29 mtompset   Isn't there some $n that blocks biblio level visibility?
13:28 mtompset   Probably one of my bugs. :)
13:25 Barbarian  mveron: Hmmm, biblio still shows up in the search, and clicking the item leads to a 404. I remember seeing something about that on bugzilla earlier when I checked, 1 min
13:24 mveron     Make sure that you set y - koha item type when adding / editing items
13:23 mveron     Barbarian: Yeah, that should work.
13:22 Barbarian  mveron: Ah! That might explain it, I'll try adding an item, see if that works
13:21 mtompset   You can use ANY field listed in the items table schema. :)
13:21 mveron     But only biblios that have items were hidden. Biblios were not hidden.
13:21 mtompset   http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/items.html
13:21 Barbarian  Or after?
13:21 Barbarian  Did you have to do anything else beforehand to get it working?
13:20 Barbarian  Huh.
13:20 mveron     itype: [BK]
13:20 mveron     Barbarian: I managed to hide all Books with
13:20 huginn     mtompset: The operation succeeded.
13:20 mtompset   @later tell aleisha Could you please retest bug 14121 on a Debian Jessie box?
13:19 mtompset   Wow. Okay. She was not on yesterday then.
13:19 huginn     mtompset: aleisha was last seen in #koha 1 day, 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <aleisha> yeah just been doing stuff another branch and messed it up a little bit
13:19 mtompset   @seen aleisha
13:18 mtompset   Greetings, #koha.
13:09 * mveron   Phone call
13:07 mveron     Still digging...
13:07 Barbarian  mveron: Any luck on hidden items?
13:01 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC)
13:00 magnuse    marcelr++ for digging into bug 6874
13:00 marcelr    hi tcohen
12:49 tcohen     hi Barbarian mveron
12:49 mveron     hi tcohen :-)
12:49 Barbarian  Good morning
12:48 tcohen     morning!
12:47 mveron     Barbarian: I'm on current master, 3.21.00.002
12:46 Barbarian  mveron: I'm using version 3.20 btw
12:46 mveron     Barbarian: Will try on my VM
12:46 Barbarian  )
12:46 Barbarian  (I've also tried "ccode: [TXB]", "ccode: [Textbook]", and "itype: [Textbook]"
12:45 mveron     Then I would say "Hopp" - it's used to cherlead in sports, e.g. "Hopp Koha"
12:44 Barbarian  There seems to be more people on right now, so I figure I'll try my luck one last time before filing a bug report: I have an item type of "Textbooks", circulation code "TXB". I go to OpacHiddenItem in advanced settings and add "itype: [TXB]" to it. In OPAC, textbooks still show up in search results, are still accessible, and are still a category in advanced search. Anyone know what I'm missing?
12:44 marcelr    well you could use that in Koha hahaha
12:43 mveron     'Hü' we use to make a horse move  :-)
12:42 huginn     mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.0°C (2:30 PM CEST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
12:42 mveron     @wunder Allschwil
12:42 marcelr    ha he hi hoi but we do not have hu
12:42 marcelr    true
12:42 mveron     marcelr: Or 'Hoi' in Switzerland, if you know somebody. same as in the Netherlands as I remember...
12:41 marcelr    Grüezi cool
12:41 mveron     marcelr: Grüezi (in Switzerland)  :-)  "Grüss Gott" in Germany  :-)
12:40 marcelr    yeah
12:40 wahanui    spelling is a problem with international versions of English. Is there a particular standard preferred in the default EN installation?
12:40 marcelr    spelling..
12:40 marcelr    gruss got ?
12:40 mveron     daag, marcelr :-)
12:39 marcelr    hi mveron nengard
12:39 mveron     hi nengard :-)
12:39 nengard    and #koha
12:39 nengard    hi mveron
12:35 mveron     Hi #koha
12:28 liw        the libraries in Oulu, Finland, have announced they'll be using Koha; this is satisfying to me as an onlooker (currently in Finland, though not in Oulu)
12:28 Viktor     Same patron having different categories for different branches/libraries. Would that be obviously bad? Because that might be helpful for regions where you cooperate but might have a bit stricter rules for the patron from a neighboring city.
11:50 Barbarian  I'll start screenshotting and documenting the steps I've made and put it up on your bugzilla.
11:50 Barbarian  I can't figure this out. I think the only reasonable thing to do at this point is file a bug report
11:48 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13993 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Passed QA , Transfer order from one vendor to another vendor previous orderstatus is not changed.
11:48 AmitG      bug 13993
11:24 indradg    hi drojf
10:41 drojf      hi #koha
10:38 magnuse    lunch!
09:44 indradg    hola #koha
09:28 magnuse    Barbarian: i *think* it should hide the whole record if all items are hidden
09:25 xarragon   magnuse: Ah, no. I was completely wrong. It is just that the news retrieval function does a lot of "massaging" of the column data before it returns it.
09:18 xarragon   Actually, if you DDG for the problem, the Koha Wiki is one the entries: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_schema_bugs#Problems_with_DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader
09:17 Barbarian  So the book will still appear in searches, just saying "No Physical Items"
09:17 Barbarian  magnuse: Do you think it's possible that OpacHiddenItems is only blocking *physical* books instead of the book as a whole?
09:06 * magnuse  has not looked at TestBuilder yet
09:05 xarragon   TestBuilder is awesome though. I started to write raw SQL like in the existing NewsChanels.pm, and it got bloated pretty fast.
09:03 xarragon   magnuse: Experience says that I am using it wrong, rather than it being a bug. I am new to DBIx and the test frameworks.
09:00 magnuse    xarragon: sounds like a bug?
09:00 xarragon   Essentially, the database entry created by TestBuilder has no timestamp value, so tests fail.
08:59 xarragon   When using the DBIx framework and TestBuilder, it seems like timestamps needs some extra care with MySQL. There exists a module named DBIx::Class::Timestamp for this purpose. Anyone got any experience with that?
08:40 Barbarian  Ah, ok.
08:39 magnuse    as far as i can tell, those numbers are just "strings of numbers" that are used in the exact same way as your string TXB
08:37 Barbarian  magnuse: Didn't seem to help, but in the manual, it gives as an example this: "itype: [07, 10]". How would I find that number?
08:34 magnuse    you can add -v to see what is happening in more detail
08:34 Barbarian  magnuse: No, I did not. Doing it now.
08:34 magnuse    without it you just index what is in the zebraqueue
08:33 magnuse    the -f does a full reindex
08:33 magnuse    Barbarian: did you do koha-rebuild-zebra -f?
08:26 Barbarian  magnuse: Ok, different question then: is there a YAML statement I can make to hide based on location?
08:20 Barbarian  (assuming that koha-rebuild-zebra does the re-indexing)
08:20 Barbarian  magnuse: Just re-indexed and tried again now, didn't seem to help
08:18 magnuse    did you reindex?
08:18 magnuse    hm, not sure then
08:15 Barbarian  Nope, still displaying the textbook
08:14 Barbarian  Got it. Giving it a try
08:14 magnuse    but with the um, square parens []
08:14 magnuse    <magnuse> without the quotes
08:14 magnuse    <magnuse> i think it has to be "itype: [TXB]"
08:14 magnuse    <magnuse> http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/3.18/en/html-desktop/#OpacHiddenItems
08:13 Barbarian  Sorry, connection dropped for a second. Mind copy/pasting what you just said?
08:13 magnuse    but with the um, square parens []
08:13 magnuse    without the quotes
08:13 magnuse    i think it has to be "itype: [TXB]"
08:12 magnuse    http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/3.18/en/html-desktop/#OpacHiddenItems
08:12 magnuse    Barbarian: not sure, off the top of my head
08:10 Barbarian  Based on some stuff I just found via google, just tried "itype: TXB" as well, which also doesn't work.
08:03 Barbarian  magnuse: Ermm, "code: TXB" doesn't seem to be hiding the item. Does "code" have a different name when it comes to the hidden settings?
08:01 Viktor     Was a bit worried we might have to revisit this, but it looks like they centralized the whole thing :)
07:59 Viktor     magnuse++ Thanks! Looks promising.
07:59 magnuse    there's a lot of talk about caching in there, at least
07:58 magnuse    with the heavy lifting done by http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/CoverImages.pm;h=e385244e73434c7aec3a31bd3b7f7e4cb9d6c35d;hb=refs/heads/wr222309
07:57 magnuse    Viktor: this looks like the front end script: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=opac/opac-covers.pl;h=1584553325370cd8fe8bb4f96007371e11a40bb0;hb=refs/heads/wr222309
07:56 Barbarian  magnuse: Thanks. I'll see if I can manage it without asking silly questions using the manual.
07:55 magnuse    the code should be here: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/wr222309
07:55 Viktor     Was happy it was going to work and didn't look at the details..
07:55 Viktor     If it's an actual central API for covers or just stopping the others when one finds something :)
07:54 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P4, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
07:54 magnuse    bug 7187
07:54 Viktor     Don't know exactly how they solved it :)
07:54 magnuse    Viktor: isn't that the thing we sponsored?
07:54 Viktor     We have no central script for fecthing cover images and deliver them over ajax right?
07:53 magnuse    Barbarian: i suspect OpacHiddenItems would be the easiest
07:53 Viktor     hi magnuse
07:53 magnuse    hi Viktor
07:51 Viktor     Hi #koha!
07:50 Barbarian  Essentially, we want to use Koha to track textbooks given to students as well as the contents of the library, but not have the textbooks show up in Opac.
07:50 Barbarian  Hello ladies and gentlemen! I'm working in a school which has recently switched to Koha, and I'm trying to figure out the best methodology to hide a certain category of books from Opac. Would it be better to make a new library and limit Opac to only the original library, or use the OpacHiddenItems YAML thing?
07:40 magnuse    bonjour gaetan_B
07:20 gaetan_B   hello
06:59 wahanui    niihau, alex_a
06:59 alex_a     bonjour
06:54 marcelr    hi #koha
06:39 cdickinson I always forget which one preserves sign, logical or bitwise shifts
06:36 dcook      I swear I teach myself about bitwise operators once a year...
06:36 dcook      This is actually quite helpful: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Bitwise_Operators
06:35 reiveune   hi magnuse :)
06:34 magnuse    bonjour reiveune
06:32 reiveune   hello
06:22 cdickinson and with that, I am done here at work for the day. Time to go home and relax for a bit
06:19 cdickinson and configure itself without blowing up
06:19 cdickinson had to make a hack for the Puppet module to do this, and a few other things to get the ITK MPM to install
06:19 cdickinson there is a stupid bug in the libapache2-mpm-itk package for ubuntu 14.04 LTS, where it won't configure properly unless the default MPM is not configured
06:18 cdickinson Puppet modules aren't helping any though, spent all day trying to wrestle with the Apache Puppet module trying to get it to do what I want x_x
06:17 dcook      \o/
06:17 cdickinson mmmmm, Koha as a Service shows signs of life
06:16 dcook      Ah wait maybe the other binary stuff isn't mad either
06:16 huginn     cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:16 cdickinson @wunder nzwn
06:10 dcook      Whaat? IT can't be that warm out..
06:10 huginn     dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM AEST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:10 dcook      @wunder syd
05:54 * magnuse  wants to play with (R)?ex
05:53 huginn     magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
05:53 magnuse    @wunder boo
05:53 magnuse    bonjour p_vdk
05:42 dcook      But that's always a possibility
05:42 dcook      Of course, I think their code might be doing a few other things that are actually crazy and weird
05:41 dcook      Yeah, I just figured that it wouldn't be doing what it was saying, but it totes was
05:41 magnuse    thanks cait
05:41 eythian    dcook: gnome-calculator has them
05:41 eythian    dcook: find a scientific calculator with binary mode and those operators
05:40 eythian    dcook: yeah, bitwise stuff is pretty sensible when you think about it.
05:40 cait       hi eythian
05:40 cait       magnuse: it's what we use :)
05:40 eythian    hi cait
05:38 magnuse    opacheader is the recommended syspref for a logo that should show up on all pages?
05:34 cait       hi dcook
05:34 magnuse    any new converts yet? :-)
05:34 cait       morning magnuse
05:34 dcook      hey cait :)
05:33 magnuse    kia ora cait
05:32 dcook      It does exactly what it says
05:32 dcook      Ah, so it totally works how I thought
05:26 dcook      which equals 2
05:25 dcook      I'm looking at 1 << 1
05:25 dcook      :S
05:25 dcook      Binary << returns the value of its left argument shifted left by the number of bits specified by the right argument.
05:25 dcook      heya magnuse :)
05:25 dcook      hehe
05:17 eythian    heh
05:17 magnuse    when(\o/)
05:17 * magnuse  waves
05:15 dcook      Maybe when(/^0$/)..
05:15 dcook      Hmm but when(0) is definitely not like when(/0/) either
05:12 dcook      "If your code still needs to run on older versions, stick to foreach for your topicalizer and you will be less unhappy."
05:11 dcook      At least not within a for loop
05:10 dcook      Hmm when(0) definitely isn't the same as if(0)
05:10 dcook      Merci
05:09 eythian    if you're not back by dawn, we'll call search and rescue.
05:09 * dcook    will report back
05:09 dcook      I'm just going to do an experiment and see how it's working in this case
05:09 eythian    http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Experimental-Details-on-given-and-when
05:08 dcook      O_O
05:08 eythian    >  It also behaves differently when lexically enclosed by a given block than it does when dynamically enclosed by a foreach loop. The rules are far too difficult to understand to be described here.
05:08 dcook      lol
05:08 dcook      Considering how many if(1) and if(0) I see in this code..
05:08 eythian    how perly
05:08 eythian    > Exactly what the EXPR argument to when does is hard to describe precisely, but in general, it tries to guess what you want done.
05:08 eythian    apparently it's complicated
05:08 dcook      Well, I'll find out in a minute after doing some tests
05:08 eythian    I think that's just like saying "true"
05:08 eythian    no, I don't think so.
05:07 dcook      in this case, it's using a for loop rather than given
05:07 dcook      when(1) == when(/1/) ?
05:07 dcook      Yeah, I guess not
05:07 eythian    also, when(1) != when($_ == 1).
05:07 dcook      Fun times :)
05:07 dcook      This isn't for Koha, and there are a lot of experimental features...
05:07 dcook      yeah, you recall correctly
05:06 eythian    dcook: given...when is currently experimental, iirc
05:04 dcook      err if for those last two whens..
05:04 dcook      or... when($_ =~ /1/)
05:04 * dcook    assumes when(1) means when($_ == 1)...
05:03 dcook      Would love if "when" had more documentation too..
04:58 dcook      :P
04:58 eythian    dcook: that means "a lot less than"
04:57 mtj        heh, yep...  :)
04:57 dcook      Atm, I'm more interested in '<<'
04:57 eythian    probably needs some optimisation somewhere.
04:56 mtj        eythian: yeah, i reckon thats it
04:56 dcook      mtj: Certainly worth investigating more :)
04:56 eythian    perhaps badly
04:56 eythian    it's probably accounting for holidays
04:55 mtj        dcook: koha seems to be doing DT math on each day in the loan-period
04:54 mtj        "I would think adding 300 days to a datetime wouldn't be that hard... if that's what it does"
04:54 * dcook    is looking as we breathe
04:53 eythian    *wise
04:53 eythian    it's a bitwize complement
04:53 dcook      :p
04:53 dcook      eythian: I know. I'm just saying I saw the tilde and went "Hmm I should figure out what that means"
04:53 dcook      I think I get how they're packing their bits at the moment though
04:53 eythian    dcook: that's not what I said.
04:52 dcook      eythian: I did see a reference to ~$something at one point :S
04:52 eythian    dcook: OK, work out what -~x and ~-x do in C/C++, and why, and you'll have it all sorted.
04:52 mtj        nytprof says lots of calls to date::stuff
04:52 * dcook    spent a long time with DateTime yesterday
04:52 dcook      I would think adding 300 days to a datetime wouldn't be that hard... if that's what it does
04:51 dcook      What I mean is... why does it slow down?
04:51 mtj        veeeery slow circ reponse
04:51 dcook      How is the problem a large loan period?
04:50 dcook      yet*
04:50 * dcook    hasn't used 3.20 yest
04:50 mtj        tested on 3.20 fwiw
04:50 mtj        ..anyone else bumped into that?
04:49 mtj        around 300
04:49 mtj        turns out that the problem is a large(ish) 'loan period', in smart-rules.pl
04:48 mtj        hmm, ive been poking at a koha with slow circ, today...
04:47 dcook      Or maybe I just need to learn what the bits in this other system mean :p
04:44 dcook      I need to brush up on binary operations and bitwise operators
04:43 dcook      :P
04:42 eythian    done.
04:42 eythian    0, 1.
04:38 * dcook    needs to brush up on his binary
04:34 eythian    haha
04:33 dcook      It's enough to quit IRC over
04:33 dcook      Exactly
04:32 * dcook    wonders how a person thought writing $fld instead of $field was helpful
04:30 mtj        hey AmitG, nice to see you :0)
04:06 AmitG      hya mtj
04:05 mtj        ive got a graph here, with a crazy amount of Date::* stuff
04:05 eythian    not lately
04:04 mtj        has anyone done a nytprof on a koha checkout recently?
03:58 mtompset   Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian AmitG indradg wizzyrea
03:45 dcook      Possibly done by Michel Rabagliati
03:45 dcook      I've seen a good one in graphic form though..
03:44 dcook      A more nuanced translation... I don't think we have swears in English for all of those ones :p
03:44 eythian    heh, probably true
03:44 dcook      A literal translation would be essentially nonsense
03:44 dcook      I don't know if a real translation is possible to be honest
03:44 eythian    I think you should do a real translation.
03:43 dcook      Lots and lots of swearing
03:40 eythian    rats, he seems to have gone
03:36 eythian    yeah, dcook. Translate.
03:33 mtompset   dcook: Translate?
03:33 mtompset   Greetings, AmitG.
03:33 AmitG      hi all
03:31 dcook      I feel like that sometimes
03:31 dcook      hehe
03:30 eythian    https://youtu.be/H0CGBc_PIbI <-- dcook :)
03:13 mtompset   Assuming they are a LtR culture. :)
03:12 mtompset   If we put Debian 8 first, that's what they will use.
03:12 mtompset   I was just thinking people read as little as possible.
03:11 eythian    mtompset: depends on your preference for numerical order or not, I suppose.
03:10 mtompset   wizzyrea: Am I crazy for thinking Debian 8 should be listed before Debian 7? :)
03:08 * wizzyrea doesn't mind caring for the website, and doesn't mind suggestions
03:08 wizzyrea   yay!
03:07 eythian    yea, I think so
03:07 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ < better at all?
02:57 mtompset   (to make Koha work on anything)
02:56 mtompset   eythian: We don't all have a TARDIS. :P
02:50 wizzyrea   gdi now I have to fix it.
02:50 wizzyrea   that little section needs a header of some kind.
02:50 wizzyrea   lol
02:50 * eythian  mostly fails :)
02:50 * eythian  tries to ignore the inconsistent typesetting around there, too.
02:49 eythian    OK :)
02:49 wizzyrea   it's been that way for quite a while
02:49 wizzyrea   no, it's not new
02:49 eythian    wizzyrea: is the "not recommended" bit new? It seems a bit much to me, I'd be inclined to just say that packages are preferred where feasible, or something.
02:48 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ < Eythian
02:48 indradg    bye geek_cl
02:47 rangi      cya geek_cl
02:47 indradg    it would be like handing someone who has never seen one, a loaded Glock and not telling them that the glock does not have a traditional safety
02:47 eythian    later
02:46 geek_cl    bye #koha
02:46 geek_cl    see you later
02:46 geek_cl    thanks for you comments guys,
02:45 rangi      not for something as important as running a library anyway
02:45 geek_cl    i agree,
02:45 rangi      we do people no favours making it easy for them to install something, with no understanding why/how they installed it, why they should keep it up to date, etc
02:44 eythian    (though the sourceforge one is package-based which is better than they used to be.)
02:44 geek_cl    Ok, just reading your comments
02:44 * wizzyrea neither
02:44 eythian    geek_cl: I don't have particuarly good opinions on any of them
02:44 geek_cl    ok
02:44 rangi      the idea is flawed
02:44 rangi      there are no good ones
02:43 wizzyrea   http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ < here
02:43 geek_cl    are good ones?
02:43 eythian    geek_cl: what about them?
02:43 wizzyrea   that's what I meant too :P
02:43 eythian    It's possible to get it to run on almost anything with enough time.
02:43 eythian    wizzyrea: well, I'm thinking mostly about the packages.
02:43 wizzyrea   it's not constantly changing, and would probably be a good thing to do
02:43 indradg    wizzyrea: +1
02:42 wizzyrea   eythian: we could list supported OS's on the website
02:42 geek_cl    eythian, and what about this: http://kohageek.blogspot.com/2013/11/koha-314-live-dvd-32-released.html and this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Live_DVD_Blueprint  and this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivedvd/
02:42 eythian    haha
02:41 indradg    i remember someone once got into an argument with rangi why 3.14 was the best of the best... and nothing else is yet to match up!
02:41 eythian    better.
02:41 wahanui1   eythian: sorry...
02:41 eythian    wahanui1: go fix it.
02:41 wahanui1   no idea, eythian
02:41 eythian    wahanui1: why have you changed your name?
02:40 wahanui1   eythian: huh?
02:40 eythian    wahanui1: live cd
02:40 eythian    geek_cl: I'm not actually sure. But see above how we were talking about how it can lead to problems? I'd be inclined to avoid it.
02:39 geek_cl    that Koha- LiveDVD
02:39 eythian    geek_cl: what iso file?
02:39 geek_cl    eythian, where is that iso file
02:39 eythian    it actually took a .iso that you'd download, mount it, make changes, and rewrite it to a .iso.
02:37 eythian    though, with a specific goal in mind.
02:37 indradg    i never liked the cruft that remastersys put in
02:37 eythian    I once wrote a Linux remastering script.
02:36 mtompset   Oh no, the pirates need to learn new linux commands. ;)
02:36 indradg    and hence the proliferation
02:36 indradg    the last version on which remastersys worked was 12.04
02:36 indradg    mtompset: most of the LiveDVD ninjas used Remastersys
02:34 mtompset   What is the "sound" reason? They have the LiveDVD?
02:33 indradg    actually there is very "sound" reason why 12.04
02:33 mtompset   But it's a whole stinking year later. That makes no sense.
02:33 eythian    why do we get questions like "I've just installed 3.06, and..."
02:33 eythian    people do strange things sometimes.
02:32 mtompset   Why 12.04 when 14.04 is out?!
02:29 indradg    eythian++
02:28 eythian    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian <-- indradg, I also list the supported releases here
02:27 eythian    or, this august if you haven't kept it up to date.
02:27 eythian    ah, april 2017
02:26 eythian    12.04 must be nearing EOL
02:26 eythian    ah, fun times
02:23 indradg    eythian: this morning I had to spend 20 mins on a conf just to get someone not to waste their time trying 3.20 on 12.04... what finally settled it was me pointing to your email in april about dropping support
02:20 eythian    * recommend how it sets it up for production use
02:20 eythian    err
02:20 eythian    I don't really like how it sets it up, and certainly wouldn't recommend how it sets it up. But I could see it being good as a quick way to get someone to the point of doing local experimentation.
02:19 mtompset   eythian++ # YAY! ;)
02:18 eythian    yeah, fair enough
02:18 indradg    eythian: heh... it is just that I've wasted too much time dealing with in-production boxes off Koha LiveDVDs and addressing user issues
02:14 eythian    indradg: happy now with my followup?
01:38 drojf      good night #koha ;)
01:38 drojf      indeed
01:38 eythian    that's always a bad sign
01:38 eythian    heh
01:38 drojf      great, birds are getting up already
01:34 eythian    because it's doing such a basic installation, if you don't disable the default site, it won't work. It's not doing any virtualhost based separation like is standard.
01:33 indradg    and you didn't gnash your teeth at disabling default site :D eythian
01:33 indradg    he's targetting it at rank newbies with zero linux skills, assumes a fresh desktop install, does not trap responses or errors and just rides off happily into the sunset with looking around or behind
01:31 indradg    just read your reply to DP Tripathi's single line installer
01:30 eythian    yarp
01:30 indradg    eythian: around?
00:47 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14284 trivial, P3, ---, indradg, Needs Signoff , Typo in Languages.pm
00:47 indradg    Bug 14284
00:10 drojf      more like 80 to 90 :)
00:10 drojf      haha. not even close
00:10 drojf      "The estimated shipping time provided by the shipping company is 15 to 20 days"
00:03 dcook      It may have been Star Wars related though :p
00:02 dcook      drojf: Honestly, I don't remember his name anymore. He was a writer. Actually, he may have even been the ghostwriter behind a different name. I'm not sure.
00:01 drojf      dcook: a fan letter to? :D