Time Nick Message 22:55 mtompset I'm so much closer to not having to roll custom distributions. :) 22:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol 22:54 mtompset marcelr++ # for taking on bug 5010. :) 22:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC) 22:53 mtompset marcelr++ # for taking on bug 6874 22:51 mtompset eythian++ # Thanks for helping get a bug testing Debian Jessie box spun up. :) 22:48 eythian aleisha: this is why we have a Cloud :) 22:47 aleisha how can i get a Debian Jessie box? 22:44 eythian aleisha: if you need servers for things, let me know. We have plenty we can spin up as needed. 22:39 aleisha no i don't 22:38 mtompset Do you have a Debian Jessie box to test it on, aleisha? :) 22:36 mtompset And now that you spoke, you know why. :) 22:36 aleisha hi mtompset :) 22:36 mtompset aleisha! The person I was hoping to see. :) 22:14 mtompset Greetings, eythian rangi wizzyrea. :) 22:11 wizzyrea hi 22:09 rangi morning 22:06 eythian also, hi 22:06 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 22:06 eythian @later tell cdickinson feel free to target Debian instead of Ubuntu if it's easier, I won't mind :D 21:22 indradg hi #koha 19:42 nengard no clue on the delete tool ... 19:42 nengard if there is a default value in your framework it will fill that value in in the editor 19:35 misilot question what does, "Populate fields with default values from default framework " do on the batch record and batch item deletion pages? 19:27 talljoy darn missed him 19:26 talljoy hahahaha 19:26 talljoy tcohen i just heard from brendan. he says that Fernet and Orange Soda do not go well together. fyi. 18:18 nengard okay ... I might be done with the 3.20 manual 16:02 nengard found it :) thank you!! 16:02 nengard yes - sorry was on the phone 15:54 tcohen kohafield column 15:53 tcohen it stores the mapping on the default framework 15:53 tcohen nengard: ? 15:47 tcohen marc_subfield_structure 15:36 nengard what table stores the koha to marc mapping info? 15:34 tcohen mtompset: thanks 15:28 mtompset tcohen: He is rarely around. 15:28 * mtompset smirks. 15:27 huginn tcohen: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 11 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <dpavlin> hooray for everybody involved! 15:27 tcohen @seen dpavlin 15:12 reiveune bye 15:11 tcohen morning talljoy 15:09 talljoy morning 14:20 mveron :-) 14:19 mveron QUit 14:19 * mveron away meeting 14:17 mtompset Curses. He left already. 14:16 mtompset I found it. 14:16 mtompset 942$n! 14:14 mtompset 942.... 14:10 mtompset I can't remember the MARC code. 14:09 mtompset Barbarian.... there is a MARC code for that. 13:59 Barbarian Anyways, it's clock-out time for me. Going home to play games and drink beer. Thanks for the help once again! 13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Hidden biblios without item attached not hidden 13:51 Barbarian Bug 14288 <--- added 13:47 Barbarian Alrighty, I'll put it up then 13:47 mveron Barbarian: I think it's good to have some trace in Bugzilla. 13:44 Barbarian mveron: Do you also want me to put up a new low-priority bug about hidden biblios without items attached? It's a fairly rare situation, I would imagine, but still very confusing if you don't get any results on Google. 13:41 * magnuse wanders off 13:39 Barbarian It isn't *exactly* the same, but sure. 13:38 mveron Can you comment on the Bug that it is resolved for you? 13:38 Barbarian mveron: Could very well be. Cleared up my related 404 issue. 13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9966 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incorrect 404 when a search returns one result hidden by OpacHiddenItems 13:37 mveron And Bug 9966 - Maybe this is resolved by re-indexing 13:37 Barbarian That bug is rather confusingly written 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14007 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Item Types for items hidden by OpacHiddenItems turn up in facet results 13:35 mveron Barbarian: Bug 14007 could be related to your issue 13:29 mtompset What is the MARC code I'm trying to remember, drojf? 13:29 Barbarian Thanks for the help 13:29 mtompset I remember drojf did something with that code. 13:29 Barbarian I'll shoot an email over to our librarian so he knows to make sure all textbooks have at least one item attached to them 13:29 mveron Great :-) 13:29 Barbarian Hurray! 13:29 Barbarian Doing a zebra-rebuild fixed it 13:29 mtompset Isn't there some $n that blocks biblio level visibility? 13:28 mtompset Probably one of my bugs. :) 13:25 Barbarian mveron: Hmmm, biblio still shows up in the search, and clicking the item leads to a 404. I remember seeing something about that on bugzilla earlier when I checked, 1 min 13:24 mveron Make sure that you set y - koha item type when adding / editing items 13:23 mveron Barbarian: Yeah, that should work. 13:22 Barbarian mveron: Ah! That might explain it, I'll try adding an item, see if that works 13:21 mtompset You can use ANY field listed in the items table schema. :) 13:21 mveron But only biblios that have items were hidden. Biblios were not hidden. 13:21 mtompset http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/items.html 13:21 Barbarian Or after? 13:21 Barbarian Did you have to do anything else beforehand to get it working? 13:20 Barbarian Huh. 13:20 mveron itype: [BK] 13:20 mveron Barbarian: I managed to hide all Books with 13:20 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 13:20 mtompset @later tell aleisha Could you please retest bug 14121 on a Debian Jessie box? 13:19 mtompset Wow. Okay. She was not on yesterday then. 13:19 huginn mtompset: aleisha was last seen in #koha 1 day, 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <aleisha> yeah just been doing stuff another branch and messed it up a little bit 13:19 mtompset @seen aleisha 13:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:09 * mveron Phone call 13:07 mveron Still digging... 13:07 Barbarian mveron: Any luck on hidden items? 13:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC) 13:00 magnuse marcelr++ for digging into bug 6874 13:00 marcelr hi tcohen 12:49 tcohen hi Barbarian mveron 12:49 mveron hi tcohen :-) 12:49 Barbarian Good morning 12:48 tcohen morning! 12:47 mveron Barbarian: I'm on current master, 3.21.00.002 12:46 Barbarian mveron: I'm using version 3.20 btw 12:46 mveron Barbarian: Will try on my VM 12:46 Barbarian ) 12:46 Barbarian (I've also tried "ccode: [TXB]", "ccode: [Textbook]", and "itype: [Textbook]" 12:45 mveron Then I would say "Hopp" - it's used to cherlead in sports, e.g. "Hopp Koha" 12:44 Barbarian There seems to be more people on right now, so I figure I'll try my luck one last time before filing a bug report: I have an item type of "Textbooks", circulation code "TXB". I go to OpacHiddenItem in advanced settings and add "itype: [TXB]" to it. In OPAC, textbooks still show up in search results, are still accessible, and are still a category in advanced search. Anyone know what I'm missing? 12:44 marcelr well you could use that in Koha hahaha 12:43 mveron 'Hü' we use to make a horse move :-) 12:42 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.0°C (2:30 PM CEST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 12:42 mveron @wunder Allschwil 12:42 marcelr ha he hi hoi but we do not have hu 12:42 marcelr true 12:42 mveron marcelr: Or 'Hoi' in Switzerland, if you know somebody. same as in the Netherlands as I remember... 12:41 marcelr Grüezi cool 12:41 mveron marcelr: Grüezi (in Switzerland) :-) "Grüss Gott" in Germany :-) 12:40 marcelr yeah 12:40 wahanui spelling is a problem with international versions of English. Is there a particular standard preferred in the default EN installation? 12:40 marcelr spelling.. 12:40 marcelr gruss got ? 12:40 mveron daag, marcelr :-) 12:39 marcelr hi mveron nengard 12:39 mveron hi nengard :-) 12:39 nengard and #koha 12:39 nengard hi mveron 12:35 mveron Hi #koha 12:28 liw the libraries in Oulu, Finland, have announced they'll be using Koha; this is satisfying to me as an onlooker (currently in Finland, though not in Oulu) 12:28 Viktor Same patron having different categories for different branches/libraries. Would that be obviously bad? Because that might be helpful for regions where you cooperate but might have a bit stricter rules for the patron from a neighboring city. 11:50 Barbarian I'll start screenshotting and documenting the steps I've made and put it up on your bugzilla. 11:50 Barbarian I can't figure this out. I think the only reasonable thing to do at this point is file a bug report 11:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13993 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Passed QA , Transfer order from one vendor to another vendor previous orderstatus is not changed. 11:48 AmitG bug 13993 11:24 indradg hi drojf 10:41 drojf hi #koha 10:38 magnuse lunch! 09:44 indradg hola #koha 09:28 magnuse Barbarian: i *think* it should hide the whole record if all items are hidden 09:25 xarragon magnuse: Ah, no. I was completely wrong. It is just that the news retrieval function does a lot of "massaging" of the column data before it returns it. 09:18 xarragon Actually, if you DDG for the problem, the Koha Wiki is one the entries: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_schema_bugs#Problems_with_DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader 09:17 Barbarian So the book will still appear in searches, just saying "No Physical Items" 09:17 Barbarian magnuse: Do you think it's possible that OpacHiddenItems is only blocking *physical* books instead of the book as a whole? 09:06 * magnuse has not looked at TestBuilder yet 09:05 xarragon TestBuilder is awesome though. I started to write raw SQL like in the existing NewsChanels.pm, and it got bloated pretty fast. 09:03 xarragon magnuse: Experience says that I am using it wrong, rather than it being a bug. I am new to DBIx and the test frameworks. 09:00 magnuse xarragon: sounds like a bug? 09:00 xarragon Essentially, the database entry created by TestBuilder has no timestamp value, so tests fail. 08:59 xarragon When using the DBIx framework and TestBuilder, it seems like timestamps needs some extra care with MySQL. There exists a module named DBIx::Class::Timestamp for this purpose. Anyone got any experience with that? 08:40 Barbarian Ah, ok. 08:39 magnuse as far as i can tell, those numbers are just "strings of numbers" that are used in the exact same way as your string TXB 08:37 Barbarian magnuse: Didn't seem to help, but in the manual, it gives as an example this: "itype: [07, 10]". How would I find that number? 08:34 magnuse you can add -v to see what is happening in more detail 08:34 Barbarian magnuse: No, I did not. Doing it now. 08:34 magnuse without it you just index what is in the zebraqueue 08:33 magnuse the -f does a full reindex 08:33 magnuse Barbarian: did you do koha-rebuild-zebra -f? 08:26 Barbarian magnuse: Ok, different question then: is there a YAML statement I can make to hide based on location? 08:20 Barbarian (assuming that koha-rebuild-zebra does the re-indexing) 08:20 Barbarian magnuse: Just re-indexed and tried again now, didn't seem to help 08:18 magnuse did you reindex? 08:18 magnuse hm, not sure then 08:15 Barbarian Nope, still displaying the textbook 08:14 Barbarian Got it. Giving it a try 08:14 magnuse but with the um, square parens [] 08:14 magnuse <magnuse> without the quotes 08:14 magnuse <magnuse> i think it has to be "itype: [TXB]" 08:14 magnuse <magnuse> http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/3.18/en/html-desktop/#OpacHiddenItems 08:13 Barbarian Sorry, connection dropped for a second. Mind copy/pasting what you just said? 08:13 magnuse but with the um, square parens [] 08:13 magnuse without the quotes 08:13 magnuse i think it has to be "itype: [TXB]" 08:12 magnuse http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/3.18/en/html-desktop/#OpacHiddenItems 08:12 magnuse Barbarian: not sure, off the top of my head 08:10 Barbarian Based on some stuff I just found via google, just tried "itype: TXB" as well, which also doesn't work. 08:03 Barbarian magnuse: Ermm, "code: TXB" doesn't seem to be hiding the item. Does "code" have a different name when it comes to the hidden settings? 08:01 Viktor Was a bit worried we might have to revisit this, but it looks like they centralized the whole thing :) 07:59 Viktor magnuse++ Thanks! Looks promising. 07:59 magnuse there's a lot of talk about caching in there, at least 07:58 magnuse with the heavy lifting done by http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/CoverImages.pm;h=e385244e73434c7aec3a31bd3b7f7e4cb9d6c35d;hb=refs/heads/wr222309 07:57 magnuse Viktor: this looks like the front end script: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=opac/opac-covers.pl;h=1584553325370cd8fe8bb4f96007371e11a40bb0;hb=refs/heads/wr222309 07:56 Barbarian magnuse: Thanks. I'll see if I can manage it without asking silly questions using the manual. 07:55 magnuse the code should be here: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/wr222309 07:55 Viktor Was happy it was going to work and didn't look at the details.. 07:55 Viktor If it's an actual central API for covers or just stopping the others when one finds something :) 07:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P4, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next 07:54 magnuse bug 7187 07:54 Viktor Don't know exactly how they solved it :) 07:54 magnuse Viktor: isn't that the thing we sponsored? 07:54 Viktor We have no central script for fecthing cover images and deliver them over ajax right? 07:53 magnuse Barbarian: i suspect OpacHiddenItems would be the easiest 07:53 Viktor hi magnuse 07:53 magnuse hi Viktor 07:51 Viktor Hi #koha! 07:50 Barbarian Essentially, we want to use Koha to track textbooks given to students as well as the contents of the library, but not have the textbooks show up in Opac. 07:50 Barbarian Hello ladies and gentlemen! I'm working in a school which has recently switched to Koha, and I'm trying to figure out the best methodology to hide a certain category of books from Opac. Would it be better to make a new library and limit Opac to only the original library, or use the OpacHiddenItems YAML thing? 07:40 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 07:20 gaetan_B hello 06:59 wahanui niihau, alex_a 06:59 alex_a bonjour 06:54 marcelr hi #koha 06:39 cdickinson I always forget which one preserves sign, logical or bitwise shifts 06:36 dcook I swear I teach myself about bitwise operators once a year... 06:36 dcook This is actually quite helpful: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Bitwise_Operators 06:35 reiveune hi magnuse :) 06:34 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:32 reiveune hello 06:22 cdickinson and with that, I am done here at work for the day. Time to go home and relax for a bit 06:19 cdickinson and configure itself without blowing up 06:19 cdickinson had to make a hack for the Puppet module to do this, and a few other things to get the ITK MPM to install 06:19 cdickinson there is a stupid bug in the libapache2-mpm-itk package for ubuntu 14.04 LTS, where it won't configure properly unless the default MPM is not configured 06:18 cdickinson Puppet modules aren't helping any though, spent all day trying to wrestle with the Apache Puppet module trying to get it to do what I want x_x 06:17 dcook \o/ 06:17 cdickinson mmmmm, Koha as a Service shows signs of life 06:16 dcook Ah wait maybe the other binary stuff isn't mad either 06:16 huginn cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 06:16 cdickinson @wunder nzwn 06:10 dcook Whaat? IT can't be that warm out.. 06:10 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM AEST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 06:10 dcook @wunder syd 05:54 * magnuse wants to play with (R)?ex 05:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 28, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 05:53 magnuse @wunder boo 05:53 magnuse bonjour p_vdk 05:42 dcook But that's always a possibility 05:42 dcook Of course, I think their code might be doing a few other things that are actually crazy and weird 05:41 dcook Yeah, I just figured that it wouldn't be doing what it was saying, but it totes was 05:41 magnuse thanks cait 05:41 eythian dcook: gnome-calculator has them 05:41 eythian dcook: find a scientific calculator with binary mode and those operators 05:40 eythian dcook: yeah, bitwise stuff is pretty sensible when you think about it. 05:40 cait hi eythian 05:40 cait magnuse: it's what we use :) 05:40 eythian hi cait 05:38 magnuse opacheader is the recommended syspref for a logo that should show up on all pages? 05:34 cait hi dcook 05:34 magnuse any new converts yet? :-) 05:34 cait morning magnuse 05:34 dcook hey cait :) 05:33 magnuse kia ora cait 05:32 dcook It does exactly what it says 05:32 dcook Ah, so it totally works how I thought 05:26 dcook which equals 2 05:25 dcook I'm looking at 1 << 1 05:25 dcook :S 05:25 dcook Binary << returns the value of its left argument shifted left by the number of bits specified by the right argument. 05:25 dcook heya magnuse :) 05:25 dcook hehe 05:17 eythian heh 05:17 magnuse when(\o/) 05:17 * magnuse waves 05:15 dcook Maybe when(/^0$/).. 05:15 dcook Hmm but when(0) is definitely not like when(/0/) either 05:12 dcook "If your code still needs to run on older versions, stick to foreach for your topicalizer and you will be less unhappy." 05:11 dcook At least not within a for loop 05:10 dcook Hmm when(0) definitely isn't the same as if(0) 05:10 dcook Merci 05:09 eythian if you're not back by dawn, we'll call search and rescue. 05:09 * dcook will report back 05:09 dcook I'm just going to do an experiment and see how it's working in this case 05:09 eythian http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Experimental-Details-on-given-and-when 05:08 dcook O_O 05:08 eythian > It also behaves differently when lexically enclosed by a given block than it does when dynamically enclosed by a foreach loop. The rules are far too difficult to understand to be described here. 05:08 dcook lol 05:08 dcook Considering how many if(1) and if(0) I see in this code.. 05:08 eythian how perly 05:08 eythian > Exactly what the EXPR argument to when does is hard to describe precisely, but in general, it tries to guess what you want done. 05:08 eythian apparently it's complicated 05:08 dcook Well, I'll find out in a minute after doing some tests 05:08 eythian I think that's just like saying "true" 05:08 eythian no, I don't think so. 05:07 dcook in this case, it's using a for loop rather than given 05:07 dcook when(1) == when(/1/) ? 05:07 dcook Yeah, I guess not 05:07 eythian also, when(1) != when($_ == 1). 05:07 dcook Fun times :) 05:07 dcook This isn't for Koha, and there are a lot of experimental features... 05:07 dcook yeah, you recall correctly 05:06 eythian dcook: given...when is currently experimental, iirc 05:04 dcook err if for those last two whens.. 05:04 dcook or... when($_ =~ /1/) 05:04 * dcook assumes when(1) means when($_ == 1)... 05:03 dcook Would love if "when" had more documentation too.. 04:58 dcook :P 04:58 eythian dcook: that means "a lot less than" 04:57 mtj heh, yep... :) 04:57 dcook Atm, I'm more interested in '<<' 04:57 eythian probably needs some optimisation somewhere. 04:56 mtj eythian: yeah, i reckon thats it 04:56 dcook mtj: Certainly worth investigating more :) 04:56 eythian perhaps badly 04:56 eythian it's probably accounting for holidays 04:55 mtj dcook: koha seems to be doing DT math on each day in the loan-period 04:54 mtj "I would think adding 300 days to a datetime wouldn't be that hard... if that's what it does" 04:54 * dcook is looking as we breathe 04:53 eythian *wise 04:53 eythian it's a bitwize complement 04:53 dcook :p 04:53 dcook eythian: I know. I'm just saying I saw the tilde and went "Hmm I should figure out what that means" 04:53 dcook I think I get how they're packing their bits at the moment though 04:53 eythian dcook: that's not what I said. 04:52 dcook eythian: I did see a reference to ~$something at one point :S 04:52 eythian dcook: OK, work out what -~x and ~-x do in C/C++, and why, and you'll have it all sorted. 04:52 mtj nytprof says lots of calls to date::stuff 04:52 * dcook spent a long time with DateTime yesterday 04:52 dcook I would think adding 300 days to a datetime wouldn't be that hard... if that's what it does 04:51 dcook What I mean is... why does it slow down? 04:51 mtj veeeery slow circ reponse 04:51 dcook How is the problem a large loan period? 04:50 dcook yet* 04:50 * dcook hasn't used 3.20 yest 04:50 mtj tested on 3.20 fwiw 04:50 mtj ..anyone else bumped into that? 04:49 mtj around 300 04:49 mtj turns out that the problem is a large(ish) 'loan period', in smart-rules.pl 04:48 mtj hmm, ive been poking at a koha with slow circ, today... 04:47 dcook Or maybe I just need to learn what the bits in this other system mean :p 04:44 dcook I need to brush up on binary operations and bitwise operators 04:43 dcook :P 04:42 eythian done. 04:42 eythian 0, 1. 04:38 * dcook needs to brush up on his binary 04:34 eythian haha 04:33 dcook It's enough to quit IRC over 04:33 dcook Exactly 04:32 * dcook wonders how a person thought writing $fld instead of $field was helpful 04:30 mtj hey AmitG, nice to see you :0) 04:06 AmitG hya mtj 04:05 mtj ive got a graph here, with a crazy amount of Date::* stuff 04:05 eythian not lately 04:04 mtj has anyone done a nytprof on a koha checkout recently? 03:58 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian AmitG indradg wizzyrea 03:45 dcook Possibly done by Michel Rabagliati 03:45 dcook I've seen a good one in graphic form though.. 03:44 dcook A more nuanced translation... I don't think we have swears in English for all of those ones :p 03:44 eythian heh, probably true 03:44 dcook A literal translation would be essentially nonsense 03:44 dcook I don't know if a real translation is possible to be honest 03:44 eythian I think you should do a real translation. 03:43 dcook Lots and lots of swearing 03:40 eythian rats, he seems to have gone 03:36 eythian yeah, dcook. Translate. 03:33 mtompset dcook: Translate? 03:33 mtompset Greetings, AmitG. 03:33 AmitG hi all 03:31 dcook I feel like that sometimes 03:31 dcook hehe 03:30 eythian https://youtu.be/H0CGBc_PIbI <-- dcook :) 03:13 mtompset Assuming they are a LtR culture. :) 03:12 mtompset If we put Debian 8 first, that's what they will use. 03:12 mtompset I was just thinking people read as little as possible. 03:11 eythian mtompset: depends on your preference for numerical order or not, I suppose. 03:10 mtompset wizzyrea: Am I crazy for thinking Debian 8 should be listed before Debian 7? :) 03:08 * wizzyrea doesn't mind caring for the website, and doesn't mind suggestions 03:08 wizzyrea yay! 03:07 eythian yea, I think so 03:07 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ < better at all? 02:57 mtompset (to make Koha work on anything) 02:56 mtompset eythian: We don't all have a TARDIS. :P 02:50 wizzyrea gdi now I have to fix it. 02:50 wizzyrea that little section needs a header of some kind. 02:50 wizzyrea lol 02:50 * eythian mostly fails :) 02:50 * eythian tries to ignore the inconsistent typesetting around there, too. 02:49 eythian OK :) 02:49 wizzyrea it's been that way for quite a while 02:49 wizzyrea no, it's not new 02:49 eythian wizzyrea: is the "not recommended" bit new? It seems a bit much to me, I'd be inclined to just say that packages are preferred where feasible, or something. 02:48 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ < Eythian 02:48 indradg bye geek_cl 02:47 rangi cya geek_cl 02:47 indradg it would be like handing someone who has never seen one, a loaded Glock and not telling them that the glock does not have a traditional safety 02:47 eythian later 02:46 geek_cl bye #koha 02:46 geek_cl see you later 02:46 geek_cl thanks for you comments guys, 02:45 rangi not for something as important as running a library anyway 02:45 geek_cl i agree, 02:45 rangi we do people no favours making it easy for them to install something, with no understanding why/how they installed it, why they should keep it up to date, etc 02:44 eythian (though the sourceforge one is package-based which is better than they used to be.) 02:44 geek_cl Ok, just reading your comments 02:44 * wizzyrea neither 02:44 eythian geek_cl: I don't have particuarly good opinions on any of them 02:44 geek_cl ok 02:44 rangi the idea is flawed 02:44 rangi there are no good ones 02:43 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ < here 02:43 geek_cl are good ones? 02:43 eythian geek_cl: what about them? 02:43 wizzyrea that's what I meant too :P 02:43 eythian It's possible to get it to run on almost anything with enough time. 02:43 eythian wizzyrea: well, I'm thinking mostly about the packages. 02:43 wizzyrea it's not constantly changing, and would probably be a good thing to do 02:43 indradg wizzyrea: +1 02:42 wizzyrea eythian: we could list supported OS's on the website 02:42 geek_cl eythian, and what about this: http://kohageek.blogspot.com/2013/11/koha-314-live-dvd-32-released.html and this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Live_DVD_Blueprint and this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivedvd/ 02:42 eythian haha 02:41 indradg i remember someone once got into an argument with rangi why 3.14 was the best of the best... and nothing else is yet to match up! 02:41 eythian better. 02:41 wahanui1 eythian: sorry... 02:41 eythian wahanui1: go fix it. 02:41 wahanui1 no idea, eythian 02:41 eythian wahanui1: why have you changed your name? 02:40 wahanui1 eythian: huh? 02:40 eythian wahanui1: live cd 02:40 eythian geek_cl: I'm not actually sure. But see above how we were talking about how it can lead to problems? I'd be inclined to avoid it. 02:39 geek_cl that Koha- LiveDVD 02:39 eythian geek_cl: what iso file? 02:39 geek_cl eythian, where is that iso file 02:39 eythian it actually took a .iso that you'd download, mount it, make changes, and rewrite it to a .iso. 02:37 eythian though, with a specific goal in mind. 02:37 indradg i never liked the cruft that remastersys put in 02:37 eythian I once wrote a Linux remastering script. 02:36 mtompset Oh no, the pirates need to learn new linux commands. ;) 02:36 indradg and hence the proliferation 02:36 indradg the last version on which remastersys worked was 12.04 02:36 indradg mtompset: most of the LiveDVD ninjas used Remastersys 02:34 mtompset What is the "sound" reason? They have the LiveDVD? 02:33 indradg actually there is very "sound" reason why 12.04 02:33 mtompset But it's a whole stinking year later. That makes no sense. 02:33 eythian why do we get questions like "I've just installed 3.06, and..." 02:33 eythian people do strange things sometimes. 02:32 mtompset Why 12.04 when 14.04 is out?! 02:29 indradg eythian++ 02:28 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian <-- indradg, I also list the supported releases here 02:27 eythian or, this august if you haven't kept it up to date. 02:27 eythian ah, april 2017 02:26 eythian 12.04 must be nearing EOL 02:26 eythian ah, fun times 02:23 indradg eythian: this morning I had to spend 20 mins on a conf just to get someone not to waste their time trying 3.20 on 12.04... what finally settled it was me pointing to your email in april about dropping support 02:20 eythian * recommend how it sets it up for production use 02:20 eythian err 02:20 eythian I don't really like how it sets it up, and certainly wouldn't recommend how it sets it up. But I could see it being good as a quick way to get someone to the point of doing local experimentation. 02:19 mtompset eythian++ # YAY! ;) 02:18 eythian yeah, fair enough 02:18 indradg eythian: heh... it is just that I've wasted too much time dealing with in-production boxes off Koha LiveDVDs and addressing user issues 02:14 eythian indradg: happy now with my followup? 01:38 drojf good night #koha ;) 01:38 drojf indeed 01:38 eythian that's always a bad sign 01:38 eythian heh 01:38 drojf great, birds are getting up already 01:34 eythian because it's doing such a basic installation, if you don't disable the default site, it won't work. It's not doing any virtualhost based separation like is standard. 01:33 indradg and you didn't gnash your teeth at disabling default site :D eythian 01:33 indradg he's targetting it at rank newbies with zero linux skills, assumes a fresh desktop install, does not trap responses or errors and just rides off happily into the sunset with looking around or behind 01:31 indradg just read your reply to DP Tripathi's single line installer 01:30 eythian yarp 01:30 indradg eythian: around? 00:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14284 trivial, P3, ---, indradg, Needs Signoff , Typo in Languages.pm 00:47 indradg Bug 14284 00:10 drojf more like 80 to 90 :) 00:10 drojf haha. not even close 00:10 drojf "The estimated shipping time provided by the shipping company is 15 to 20 days" 00:03 dcook It may have been Star Wars related though :p 00:02 dcook drojf: Honestly, I don't remember his name anymore. He was a writer. Actually, he may have even been the ghostwriter behind a different name. I'm not sure. 00:01 drojf dcook: a fan letter to? :D