Time  Nick        Message
02:27 eythian     quiet day here today
02:29 dcook       Yarp
02:29 dcook       tis a Dspace day pour moi
02:31 eythian     pour you indeed.
02:33 dcook       hehe
02:34 dcook       I'd love to get done my DSpace work so that I can do more Koha work...
02:34 dcook       Specifically that OAI harvester
02:36 dcook       I wish DSpace did tags for individual releases and not just the branch..
02:36 dcook       Wait a tick
02:36 dcook       They do and I'm just stupid
02:36 dcook       :p
02:36 dcook       Must just be overly hungry
02:37 eythian     holy carp, ES searching on the staff client just worked.
02:37 eythian     that's a surprise.
02:39 dcook       \o/
02:39 eythian     hmm, though my query parsing doesn't understand a few things that the staff client does
02:39 eythian     like su,complete-subfield:{Courts}
02:42 dcook       O_o
02:42 dcook       Wazzat?
02:43 eythian     if you view a record in the staff client, and click on a subject, that's what the query is.
02:43 eythian     @wunder nzwn
02:43 huginn`     eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (2:00 PM NZST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
02:43 eythian     heh mostly cloudy
02:43 wizzyrea    yeah, it's leaving off the fact that the clouds are falling out of the sky.
02:44 dcook       Huh... that seems special
02:44 dcook       I wonder where the { } come into the picture
02:44 dcook       clouds are falling out of the sky?
02:44 dcook       @wunder syd
02:44 huginn`     dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (12:30 PM AEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
02:45 dcook       Hmm, that's probably about right..
02:45 eythian     dcook: I've seen it elsewhere, I just transmogrify them into "
02:46 eythian     but my stuff isn't converting it into something that ES can understand like it should.
02:46 wizzyrea    (it's raining)
02:47 eythian     I think because it doesn't know what complete-subfield is
02:48 wizzyrea    TAB BANKRUPTCY
02:48 dcook       TAB BANKRUPTCY?
02:49 dcook       yo tcohen
02:49 dcook       eythian: I seem to recall {} meaning something to Zebra, but I don't know if we need them
02:49 dcook       I think they are escape characters?
02:49 dcook       Hehe. Just did this query: "indexdata zebra escape"
02:50 dcook       http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-rpn.html
02:50 dcook       "Escaping PQF keywords and other non-parseable XPath constructs with '{ }' to prevent client-side PQF parsing syntax errors:"
02:50 dcook       I want to say there is another reference somewhere..
02:51 eythian     ah right, that makes sense
02:52 wizzyrea    it's when you give up on having tabs and close them all out of irritation
02:52 dcook       Ahh, I thought you meant TAB... like the gambling folk
02:52 eythian     yeah, I have 315 tabs open at the moment, I ought to do that.
02:52 wizzyrea    hah! no
02:52 wizzyrea    315, that is excessive.
02:53 eythian     they just pile up
02:53 wizzyrea    I think I had 50 and that was too many.
02:53 wizzyrea    it's when I have 10+ different koha intranets open and all I see up there is [K}
02:53 dcook       eythian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/17/zebras-escaped-brussels-police-belgium
02:53 wizzyrea    [K]
02:53 eythian     316 now
02:53 eythian     thanks dcook
02:54 wizzyrea    hahaha
02:54 dcook       hehe
02:55 eythian     https://twitter.com/AidaDeMol/status/589074445089767424 <-- ahahaha
02:55 eythian     "Police run over 1 of the 3 zebras"
02:56 wizzyrea    lool
02:57 dcook       Hmm, I'm not convinced that curly braces actually do anything 99% of the time
02:57 dcook       hehe
02:57 eythian     it seems that they allow things inside them that would cause syntax errors elsewhere.
02:57 eythian     wahanui: zebra
02:57 wahanui     well, zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
02:58 eythian     wahanui: zebra is also loose in Brussels
02:58 wahanui     okay, eythian.
02:58 dcook       I guess you might have a subject with a reserved character yeah.
03:00 dcook       Hmm... although I'm not actually seeing that in practice..
03:01 dcook       Hmm... those special characters look like they're being stripped out by the tokenizer anyway..
03:01 * dcook     shrugs
03:01 dcook       Back to DSpace
03:01 dcook       And maybe lunch..
03:05 eythian     https://youtu.be/3YLxGFLpOl0 <-- neat
03:07 eythian     https://owncloud.kallisti.net.nz/index.php/s/AmldEDANL0nEpl3 <-- dcook, this might interest you.
03:08 wizzyrea    that *is* neat
03:09 eythian     dcook: I recommend starting with Scree::Transmissions
03:09 eythian     err
03:10 eythian     Scree:Transmissions
03:11 dcook       eythian: What's that? :S
03:12 dcook       Music?
03:12 wahanui     Music is fine :)
03:12 eythian     it's a (now non-existant I think) NZ band that I quite like.
03:12 eythian     and just remembered now when poking through my music
03:12 dcook       Cool. I'll make a reminder to check it out when I'm at home
03:12 dcook       Ah, apparently they're on Spotify as ewll
03:12 dcook       well*
03:13 dcook       Hmm, I wonder how good Spotify is with obscure French Canadian stuff..
03:13 dcook       Starting Scree:Transmissions now
03:13 dcook       Dang, they seem to have everything...
03:14 dcook       No wonder they spent over 800 million on royalties last year
03:18 dcook       Now let's see if I can remember the band that did cover versions of Nino Ferrer's songs..
03:19 eythian     damn, I'm going to have to add a bit more intelligence to this string processor to handle multi-part freeform index specifications.
03:19 eythian     rats
03:24 dcook       Oh... listening to this song is not making my hunger go away : http://www.musicme.com/The-Nino%27s/titres/Les-Cornichons-t119926.html
03:24 dcook       Yes, it's a song about pickles. Well, and other food.
03:24 dcook       I think it's catchy though :P
03:25 eythian     Give peas a chance.
03:25 dcook       :p
03:28 dcook       Ok, hunger is going to great a problem
03:28 dcook       bbiab
03:31 * eythian   cheats and just removes anything after a , in this context. If you need that, use the query parameter that's there for that purpose.
03:31 eythian     (until all this is replaced with a real query parser anyway.)
03:37 wizzyrea    cheater. Cheater.
03:37 wizzyrea    j/k you're lovely, you're awesome. don't change.
03:40 eythian     This is a sacrifice I'm willing to make, the only real way of fixing it would be to build a parser, and screw doing that right now :)
03:41 * wizzyrea  imagines you like an aztec on a pyramid sacrificing everything after commas to the gods of elasticsearch
03:41 wizzyrea    maybe with a little crazy eye
03:41 eythian     haha
04:02 mtompset    Have a great day, eythian wizzyrea dcook #koha. :)
04:21 dcook       I do like DSpace's overlay setup
04:21 dcook       You can copy the source of files you want to customize into a different path
04:22 dcook       Then when it's built, it'll use your customized overlay version rather than the release's version
04:22 dcook       Of course, it doesn't help if you modify the built files and don't remember to put them back in version control
04:22 * dcook     is glad he doesn't have to deal with that right now
04:22 dcook       I think I mentioned recently that Git is the best?
04:24 eythian     hmm, the problem with that is that if the original files are changed in an update, you've got no tracking of your own versions.
04:24 dcook       Hmm?
04:24 dcook       Ah, yeah
04:25 dcook       You have to be pretty careful with updates
04:25 dcook       I'm upgrading someone from 4.0 to 4.3 right now
04:25 dcook       So I can copy over the existing overlays from 4.0, but I have to vet them against the updated versions before actually building :/
04:26 dcook       But then I'm just diffing files between the release path and the overlay path
05:32 dcook       And... now it's raining
05:32 dcook       @wunder syd
05:32 huginn`     dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 11.0°C (3:22 PM AEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Heavy Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:32 dcook       So much for "Clear" :p
06:02 dcook       Huh...
06:02 dcook       Is tcohen really doing 3.22 as well?
06:03 dcook       If so, major kudos to him
06:07 * magnuse   waves
06:41 reiveune    hello
06:43 magnuse     tcohen++ for the beta
06:43 magnuse     bonjour reiveune
06:43 magnuse     @wunder boo
06:43 huginn`     magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
06:43 magnuse     @wunder marseille
06:43 huginn`     magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 12.7°C (8:26 AM CEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:44 magnuse     ooh, coldish
06:44 reiveune    salut magnuse :)
06:54 alex_a      hello
07:03 sophie_m    hello #koha
07:10 magnuse     huh? bugzilla is suddenly giving me the "Log in to Bugzilla" web page treatment...
07:10 magnuse     s/bugzilla/git bz/
07:12 dcook       Did you change password lately, magnuse?
07:13 magnuse     nope, but i did change my email :-)
07:14 dcook       That could do it?
07:15 dcook       Ooh that reminds me..
07:16 magnuse     yup, that was it
07:16 magnuse     dcook++
07:18 Viktor      Greetings #koha :)
07:19 dcook       Hey Viktor and cait
07:19 dcook       magnuse: Hurray!
07:19 magnuse     hiya cait and Viktor
07:19 magnuse     i hear a rumour that Viktor will be promoting koha to lots of libraries today...
07:20 Viktor      True magnuse.
07:20 Viktor      But I sort of do that one or two times a week now :)
07:21 Viktor      We have a visit with 15 personson who are collecting info for a bigger meeting with the whole 49 "kommuner".
07:22 Viktor      They want to know what they can tell the other communities what Koha can do and what to expect from our project.
07:22 magnuse     very cool
07:22 magnuse     Viktor++
07:22 dcook       :D
07:23 Viktor      A double check: We have both hired programmers in house and consultants. Is it still frowned upon if consultants sign off on code from our in house people (and vice versa)?
07:23 magnuse     yeah, ideally it should be people from "different organizations"
07:23 Viktor      It feels a little on the verge since both have a common employer (being the project)
07:24 Viktor      magnuse: Yes I had that feeling :)
07:24 magnuse     "Preferably, patch writer and patch signer should not be from the same company or institution." http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
07:25 magnuse     it does say "Preferably"...
07:25 magnuse     but i think that is mostly for extreme cases, like if you are working on something like an API that only people in your org has access to
07:25 magnuse     but even then it is best if someone independent tests for regressions
07:27 Viktor      magnuse: Perhaps if we do signoff between us but still leave it with "needs signoff" and a note that it's been written/tested by different companies but with the same emmployer.
07:27 Viktor      ?
07:28 dcook       yeah, I think that seems reasonable
07:28 gaetan_B    hello
07:28 dcook       I think other people have done that
07:28 dcook       salut gaetan_B
07:28 magnuse     Viktor: yeah, sounds like a good idea
07:28 Viktor      Then we could still catch problems early and have the code up publicly as fast as possible.
07:28 magnuse     yup
07:28 Viktor      Thanks dcook, magnuse. Think we'll go with that.
07:28 dcook       totally
07:29 dcook       The more testing and QA the better!
07:29 Viktor      Indeed :)
07:29 dcook       Viktor: I really want to get that OAI code posted at some point so that folks can test it and tell me all the ways that it's horrible ;)
07:29 dcook       Alas, Koha is only one of three projects I have at the moment, and the other two are occupying more of my time these days
07:30 * cait      waves
07:30 Viktor      dcook - Didn't you actually post it "as is" in the thread the other day? Have a feeling I saw a patch that I never had the time to check up on.
07:30 * Viktor    waves at cait
07:31 Viktor      dcook I can write much more horrible code then you ever could ;)
07:32 Viktor      (or that patch might be confused with another discussion)
07:32 cait        Viktor: in theory you could now - we changed the rules a bit - but the way magnuse suggested is my preference - the more sign offs the better :)
07:32 dcook       Viktor: Yeah, I did, but then Andreas Mace got in touch, so I've been thinking about trying to find some time to work on it again!
07:33 dcook       But I won't be working on Koha for the rest of the week, so... don't know
07:33 dcook       DSpace eating up lots of time at the moment too..
07:33 dcook       In fact, I already should've left work 30 minutes ago!
07:33 magnuse     bad DSpace
07:34 Viktor      cait: We'll test but leave it with "needs signoff" then. Better safe than sorry and it's no hurry yet for 3.22 :) Or at least I hope it's not :)
07:34 cait        i hope we can make some progress on the overdues devs soon
07:34 cait        i am interested to see those moving :)
07:34 magnuse     yay
07:34 cait        lots of good things out ther eactually, always lots to do
07:36 Viktor      dcook - I know there is funding for getting OAI done. And people that will be happy when it's finished :) Hope you can find the time to get it going again - much more efficient that you finish it. But I see how too much to do is a problem..
07:36 magnuse     atheia++ for more work on the ill module
07:36 Viktor      cait: Are you referring to our overdue patches that inlibro is doing?
07:37 Viktor      cait: I really, really, really need those and it's one of those things that would make me sleep better :)
07:38 Viktor      cait: I realized that testing those right was a bit of bother for me so I'm very happy to have better hackers at hand who need something to do :)
07:42 Viktor      I am a bit worried however. I know kivilahtio is doing dev that is touching the same files so I wonder how we should get things coordinated.
07:44 drojf       morning #koha
07:45 magnuse     Viktor: that is indeed an interesting question...
07:45 magnuse     moin drojf
07:46 Viktor      morning drojf
07:46 drojf       hei magnuse, hej Viktor
07:47 Viktor      magnuse: It is. And it worries me. I'm tempted to get the patches done as fast as we can and then yell "No regressions" :)
07:48 Viktor      magnuse: But I know that his patch was creating a better infrastructure for the messages so that's not overly productive.
07:48 magnuse     Viktor: that might be the only way to do it
07:48 magnuse     or make kivi base his work on yours
07:48 magnuse     but then he gets more work if your patches need redoing to get through qa
07:50 Viktor      magnuse: It might :) But I think kivi have his hands full and might abandon the issue if it becomes extra work.
07:51 Viktor      Think I'll have to get everybody in touch with each other over email or something and plan how to solve this.
07:56 magnuse     Viktor: sounds good
08:18 cait        Viktor: i think right now your patches are there, so we should work on those - for overdues
08:19 cait        Viktor: i am not sure whta kivi plans, but the code hasn't hit us yet
08:20 cait        coordinating and talking to each other is of course the best way to solve it :)
08:25 cait        @later tell rangi could you take a look at bug 13196 for inclusion in 3.18?
08:25 huginn`     cait: The operation succeeded.
08:40 pablito     does anyone have some experience cataloging journal articles into koha?
08:45 cait        we have some libraries doing it - but they catalog with another software and then the data is imported into koha
08:45 cait        maybe i can still help out a bit
08:45 cait        what's the question?
08:45 wahanui     hmmm... the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
08:48 cait        @later tell rangi - forget it - it's already in
08:48 huginn`     cait: The operation succeeded.
08:50 pablito     cait, we have over 100 printed journals in our library and I want to put the article titles, author etc. into koha
08:50 cait        what we do is having separate records for those
08:50 pablito     I already created biblios for these journals already
08:51 magnuse     pablito: do you know about analytics in koha?
08:51 cait        yeah, easyanalytics is one option
08:51 pablito     I have been reading about analytics, but it's not clear to me yet
08:51 pablito     ok
08:51 magnuse     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytics
08:51 cait        ah yes, that page is excellent
08:51 cait        ashimema++
08:53 pablito     so can you explain a bit the overall process of putting article titles, etc into koha
08:53 pablito     ?
08:55 pablito     maybe it's better if i give you my situation now
08:56 pablito     I've already created serial biblios for the journals
08:57 pablito     now in each serial biblio, I created multiple items to correspond to the articles of a journal
08:58 magnuse     ah, that is probably not the way to do it
08:58 pablito     sorry, multiple items corresponding to the issues of a journal title
08:58 magnuse     yeah, that makes sense
08:58 magnuse     then yoo catalogue the articles much the same way you catalog books
08:58 magnuse     with the title in 245a etc
09:02 pablito     is there a sample MARC files somewhere that I can start with?
09:05 cait        pablito: we link journal to articles - not issue to article - if you want to do that you coud check the manual for the Easyanalytics feature
09:05 cait        but yu have to decide for one way or the other, as they are exclusive
09:05 cait        [off] those are some articles https://inm.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&limit=bib-level%3Aa&sort_by=relevance&do=Search
09:06 cait        look for 773
09:07 pablito     i see
09:08 cait        we are not using Easyanalytics - just keep in mind ther eare at least 2 different ways of doing things
09:09 pablito     ok
09:09 pablito     here's my library's catalog: http://libraryjerusalem.unisal.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=183049
09:09 pablito     The journal is titled Concilium
09:09 pablito     there are multiple issues of which I have assigned called number
09:11 pablito     so when I create an article record, I will need to link it to the biblio of Concilium and indicate somehow what issue the article is located in
09:11 cait        yeah, you put that in 773
09:11 cait        if you look at the lik above
09:12 cait        you can see that there is always an In: .<link to the journal> information about issue, pages year etc.
09:12 cait        that's from the 773 subfields
09:18 pablito     ok, makes sense
09:21 pablito     is Easyanalytics a program like MarcEdit?
09:23 pablito     where can I get Easyanalytics?
09:26 drojf       easyanalytics is one way to do it in koha. it's not an external software
09:27 pablito     ah
09:29 drojf       one way as in "an alternative to what cait showed you"
09:29 drojf       that said, that's all i know about it, as i do it like it is done in cait's example
09:31 xarragon    The 'kohaadmin' user created during setup, does it exist in the SQL database or is it hardcoded into the installation?
09:38 cait        xarragon: it's ot in the database, you can find the data about it in your koha-conf.xml
09:38 cait        morning drojf, hi xarragon
09:38 drojf       it's the database user. a mysql account. that is why you can't use it for regular librarian work
09:39 cait        :)
09:39 cait        drojf explained it better
09:39 drojf       oh did not see what cait said
09:39 drojf       it's basically the same ;)
09:39 drojf       hi cait
09:39 slef        magnuse: our afflicted user isn't seeing that problem since clearing their cache :-/
09:39 slef        magnuse: they said they'd already done that though, so iDunno
09:40 slef        morning everyone
09:40 magnuse     kia ora slef
09:40 drojf       hi slef
09:40 slef        Welcome to chapter 198316951 of I hate MSIE
09:40 magnuse     hehe
09:40 magnuse     i'll have another go at the cache then
09:40 slef        I'll tell you any more details once I get them
09:40 xarragon    drojf: Ah, ok. Thanks. I saw some lines in C4::Auth about a 'superuser' and demo user, and database had no 'kohaadmin' entry. Thanks for the explanation.
09:41 cait        xarragon: that's why it's not recommended to use it for anything outside of running an update - it has no borrowernumber
09:41 cait        no home library etc.
09:42 cait        so you shoudl always work inside koha with a real user
09:42 cait        if you see lines referring to superlibrarian that is the 'top' permission for admins - it means you can basically do everything
09:43 xarragon    Yeah I noticed some things were a bit wobbly when using it. I have another user created, but right now I am just playing around learning stuff for a patch we're considering.
09:43 xarragon    Sorry if this is basic stuff I could have read in the manual.
09:44 xarragon    Interesting design to use the SQL credentials as a default superuser/admin account though. Makes a lot of sense.
09:45 cait        we are here to help
09:45 cait        and i am not sure where that is fully documented myself
09:45 xarragon    While I'm already harassing you, are Intranet users also stored in the 'borrowers' table? I can see no other place, and C4::Auth seems to be querying 'borrowers' primarily?
09:45 cait        yes
09:45 cait        all user accoutns are stored in borrowers
09:46 cait        the difference is that intranet users have permissions - borrowers.flags and 2 separate tables are involved there
09:46 cait        so for testing what you normally do is crate a new patron of a staff patron category and give it the 'superlibrarian' permission
09:47 cait        it's the first thing that needs to be done after intalling a new koha usually - create a library, create a patron category, create your superlibrarian
10:12 drojf       later #koha
10:46 magnuse     wheee
10:52 xarragon    Nothing feels better than messing directly via the SQL command line into a running Koha install, knowing graceful I usually am when I am hacking at stuff.
10:53 xarragon    I prefer to think of the results as a 'learning experience'.
11:04 magnuse     it makes you feel so alive ;-)
11:06 xarragon    And if it works I stand up, stretching my arms out, screaming "I AM INVINCIBLE!" etc.
11:15 xarragon    Running a database application and web server on a 1.8" 4200 RPM laptop disk really is asking for slowness..
11:19 xarragon    Got to love the 'superlibrarian' label.. I get an image in my mind of someone with a cape and close-fitting clothes.
11:30 magnuse     still a bit of snow left in the mountains http://www.vgtv.no/#!/video/112348/broeyter-fjellvegen-til-geiranger
12:30 tcohen      morning
12:31 magnuse     hola tcohen
12:33 tcohen      bravo julian!
12:33 magnuse     ?
12:36 tcohen      bug 13799, comment 37
12:36 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
12:38 tcohen      jajm++
12:40 jajm        :)
12:40 jajm        i hope it will help
12:40 tcohen      it at least clears the path for the discussion on the implementation
12:41 tcohen      and we can focus on architectural/design decisions
13:00 magnuse     druthb! \o/
13:07 magnuse     talljoy! \o/
13:08 druthb      magnuse:   \o/
13:08 magnuse     :-)
13:09 magnuse     imagine supporting koha only on customer's servers, and having to deal with umpteen different ways of doing security etc...
13:10 barton      druthb:  \o/
13:10 magnuse     barton   \o/
13:11 barton      owait, that's been said already.
13:11 barton      owell. druthb deserves two waves :-)
13:12 druthb      druthb?
13:12 wahanui     you are an amazing person
13:12 druthb      bah
13:14 magnuse     in norway we have a saying that you will hear the truth from small children and drunk people. i will be proposing an amendment to make it small children, drunk people and irc bots
13:15 drojf       druthb!
13:16 talljoy     hi magnuse!
13:16 talljoy     hi druthb!
13:19 magnuse     hi JesseM!
13:19 JesseM      Hello magnuse
13:19 magnuse     it's greet the usanians time!
13:20 JesseM      :)
13:36 magnuse     nah, it's time to call it a week, is what it is!
13:36 magnuse     have fun #koha!
13:37 drojf       norwegian weeks are short
13:38 drojf       i guess they shrink because it's cold
13:42 mtompset    bgkriegel++ # finally, 6874!
13:42 talljoy     drojf++
13:44 xarragon    I have one question: Koha on a Windows server; is it possible?
13:44 Joubu       NOOOOO
13:45 Joubu       ;)
13:46 drojf       and. WHY? /o\
13:46 drojf       :P
13:47 tcohen      xarragon: it is possible, just launch a Debian 8 virtual machine on VirtualBox to run Koha
13:49 mtompset    Joubu++ # I feel the same way
13:49 mtompset    tcohen: You forgot to qualify that it is not recommended for production that way. :P
13:50 tcohen      ah, but xarragon didn't ask that
13:50 drojf       it's not not recommended either, is it? :P
13:51 tcohen      :-P
13:51 mtompset    tcohen is current RM for 3.20 -- kind of looks like one.
13:51 mtompset    And if someone asks if a gun can kill a person, do you answer just yes? :P
13:52 mtompset    drojf++ # Exactly, the intent is important
13:52 tcohen      many people likes to run production stuff on top of the VirtualBox hypervisor, who cares if it is run on windows server or linux who runs the hypervisor?
13:53 tcohen      we use Xen btw
13:53 drojf       as long as dealing with the windows part is not my job, go for it ;)
13:54 mtompset    drojf: It will be, because the next question will be how to do all the networking.
13:54 drojf       i'd recommend a virtualbox irc channel :)
13:54 xarragon    Nah, I was just curious. I saw there was some mailing list called koha-win32 back in 2007 or so.
13:54 tcohen      drojf: exactly. as a Koha support provider I have clients that have their whole infrastructure built on Microsoft products, and provide me with a incredibly-performant Debian VPS to do my job
13:54 drojf       (i suppose host-only adapter + nat adapter would work in windows too)
13:55 mtompset    xarragon: The problem with trying to run koha natively on windows is a lack of libraries.
13:55 xarragon    Also, Sweden is very Microsoft-centric, so many places will throw a hizzy-fit if they are asked to support anything that does not come with Solitaire and Minesweeper.
13:56 tcohen      xarragon: heh
13:56 jcamins     My experience with VirtualBox in production is that the host does not matter, it's going to be fussy regardless.
13:56 tcohen      jcamins++
13:56 mtompset    xarragon: I actually tried to get it to work recently under a windows technical preview.
13:56 mtompset    The missing perl libraries were the killer.
13:56 jcamins     HyperV seems pretty good, though.
13:57 drojf       tcohen: the library where i started working with koha had ms hyper-v as virtualisation host. while i would not touch that myself (and it seemed unreliable sometimes), koha worked fine
13:57 drojf       heh
13:57 xarragon    Okay, thanks for the info. I was just curious..
13:58 tcohen      Micro$oft is a top-10 linux kernel contributor, because they wanted near-perfect support for linux on hyper-v
13:58 jcamins     bshum just mentioned HyperV working well in another channel.
13:58 tcohen      top-20
13:59 drojf       i remember at least one case where weird things happened with snapshots in hyperv. but i was not involved myself and it may have been user error too
13:59 barton      I have a partner who wants to do date range searches on acquisition date from the OPAC
14:00 barton      I'm guessing that this will require some changes to C4::Search
14:01 tcohen      barton: probably to the queryparser?
14:02 tcohen      barton: take a look at QueryParser
14:02 barton      k.
14:03 tcohen      it might be implemented already, and the problem would consist on a front-end thing
14:03 barton      ok.
14:42 mtompset    Have a great day. #koha. Need to reboot, etc.
14:59 indradg     is there a specific reason why we don't have the AJAX suggest option for patrons search, while we have that facility during checkout?
15:09 cait        i think maybe the different focus
15:09 cait        when using patron search you are not looking for 'one specific' user
15:09 cait        but for a group
15:14 indradg     cait: ok!
15:24 reiveune    bye
16:14 gaetan_B    bye
16:14 indradg     Joubu: you seem to be on a roll today! :)
16:37 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
18:13 tcohen      how do we change the channel title?¿
18:23 indradg     @seen Joubu
18:23 huginn`     indradg: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Joubu> ;)
18:30 David_      Hello all!
18:30 David_      Love Koha!
18:36 mtompset    Greetings, indradg. :)
18:37 mtompset    Perhaps /topic?
18:38 mtompset    Perhaps with the help of bag chris_n gmcharlt jcamins rangi or wizzyrea too?
18:40 indradg     greetings mtompset! your comment to aleisha added to my own meagre knowledge of perl :)
18:40 indradg     thanks :)
18:40 mtompset    Hey, share the knowledge. :) I only recently (less than a year ago) learned about it. :)
18:42 tcohen      i liked this post from gmcharlt https://galencharlton.com/blog/2013/07/tutorial-perl-5-10-and-koha/
18:44 * mtompset  chuckles.
18:44 mtompset    bug 10503
18:44 wahanui     i heard bug 10503 was relevant
18:44 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10503 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , incorrect initialization parameters passed to Memoize::Memcached
18:45 mtompset    So, is someone going to rescue it, gmcharlt? :)
18:47 mtompset    wahanui: bug 10503 is also sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years.
18:47 wahanui     okay, mtompset.
18:47 mtompset    bug 10503
18:47 wahanui     bug 10503 is probably sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years.
18:47 mtompset    bug 10503
18:47 wahanui     bug 10503 is sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years.
18:47 mtompset    bug 10503
18:47 wahanui     rumour has it bug 10503 is sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years
18:47 mtompset    Nice variation, wahanui. :)
18:47 wahanui     mtompset: sorry...
18:47 mtompset    bug 10503
18:47 wahanui     bug 10503 is relevant
18:48 tcohen      is it true that the call is wrong?
18:48 mtompset    which call?
18:49 tcohen      we should ask the Memoize::Memcached maintainer
18:50 tcohen      but i'd say memoize_memcached can handle both a Cache::Memcached object or a hashref of options flawlessly
18:50 mtompset    Remember that discussion is 2+ years old.
18:51 tcohen      http://search.cpan.org/~tcohen/Memoize-Memcached-0.04/lib/Memoize/Memcached.pm
18:51 tcohen      i'll take a look mtompset
18:52 tcohen      it might be worth making it more explicit (i.e. passing the actual params)
18:52 mtompset    Just remember, you triggered this with your article link. :P
18:52 tcohen      you don't blame google if you find something, right?
18:52 tcohen      this is gmcharlt's fault :-P
18:53 * mtompset  laughs hard.
18:53 tcohen      bye #koha, heading home bbl
18:53 mtompset    Bye, tcohen.
19:41 tcohen      dcook: hi
19:44 mtompset    Greetings again, tcohen
19:45 mtompset    tcohen: If we take it back a level further, we should blame you. ;)
19:48 mtompset    Does anyone have an authority MRC file I can import?
19:48 mtompset    I just need some dummy data to actually have a search return something.
19:54 tcohen      mtompset: how is that?
19:55 mtompset    Well, yes, gmcharlt bug reported the problem, but it is regarding the module which you now maintain.
19:55 tcohen      it looks like a WORKSFORME one
19:55 mtompset    Sure, you could shift the blame back another level, but there's a limit to how far back you can pass blame. :)
19:56 tcohen      from another pov, the patch author wants to change how we use that function, which is fair, but then is not a problem with the library itself
20:15 * andreashm wave
20:15 andreashm   waves
20:19 tcohen      hi andreashm
20:19 andreashm   hi tcohen!
20:19 andreashm   great work getting the beta out
20:19 mtompset    Greetings, andreashm.
20:19 mtompset    Easy sign off: bug 14076
20:19 andreashm   hey mtompset
20:19 wahanui     mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
20:19 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14076 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Noisy warns in opac-authorities-home.pl
20:21 andreashm   ah, I like those easy ones. but I'm currently on vacation. =)
20:23 mtompset    indradg: I bow to your MarcEdit in Linux expertise. :)
20:25 indradg     heh
20:27 mtompset    Is that you narrating the video?
20:27 andreashm   jajm++ (REST API stuff)
20:27 mtompset    I imagined a deeper voice. :)
21:04 rangi       morning
21:04 rangi       now you can change it
21:22 wizzyrea    wizzyrea:
21:22 wizzyrea    oops lol
21:22 wizzyrea    hi
21:27 tcohen      hm, no
21:27 tcohen      help!
21:29 rangi       hehe
21:31 tcohen      can i give up?
21:31 rangi       you cant have returns in your topic
21:31 rangi       has to be all one line
21:32 rangi       what do you actually want as the topic
21:32 tcohen      heh
21:32 tcohen      the original one, without the Elections for 3.22 sufix
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21:33 tcohen      i just wanted to know how to do it for when I call for a dev meeting
21:33 tcohen      to put the date there
21:38 rangi       right
21:39 rangi       i write it in vim then paste it .. all one line
21:43 tcohen      like TOPIC #koha <paste>
21:43 tcohen      thanks rangi
21:44 rangi       yep
21:45 rangi       no worries
21:45 rangi       also check this out
21:45 rangi       http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/buenos-aires-flights
21:45 rangi       direct argentina <-> nz flights now
21:45 rangi       hint hint
21:45 rangi       :)
21:46 wnickc      is it not possible for staff to edit a patron's privacy preference?
21:46 tcohen      oh my
21:46 tcohen      =D
21:47 tcohen      blink blink
21:47 * tcohen    considers that cheap actually
21:47 rangi       tcohen: yeah its less than i paid last year
21:47 rangi       wnickc: hmm i think you can
21:48 wnickc      i thought so too, but can't figure out how, i thought there was a pref
21:55 * Dyrcona   was tempted to jump on a AirNZ flight yesterday.
21:56 Dyrcona     Unfortunately, they probably would have realized I was on the wrong flight when it got to Los Angeles and would not have let me continue to Auckland.
21:56 rangi       http://catalyst.net.nz/join-us/jobs
21:56 rangi       :)
21:56 Dyrcona     heh
21:56 rangi       there is an urban myth of someone getting on a flight to Auckland
21:56 rangi       instead of Oakland
21:56 Dyrcona     heh
21:56 Dyrcona     That's very hard today with e-tickets.
21:56 rangi       yeah
21:57 * Dyrcona   is in Hood River, Oregon at the Evergreen conference.
21:57 rangi       ahh cool
21:57 * Dyrcona   is supposed to be hacking Evergreen at the pre-conference hack fest.
21:57 rangi       i must get to an Evergreen conference some day
21:57 Dyrcona     I must come to a Koha conference one day.
21:58 wizzyrea    hm, this password dev - what is the difference between "OpacPasswordChange" and "OpacResetPassword"
21:59 wizzyrea    confusing.
21:59 rangi       one allows them to change their password
21:59 rangi       assuming they know it
21:59 rangi       ie you login and can change your password
21:59 rangi       the other lets them change it if they dont know it ;)
22:00 Dyrcona1    Whee! Conference wifi.
22:04 wizzyrea    I just don't like the descriptions of those two, I think. Too close in meaning to be meaningfully different in the interface. I get that the function is different :D
22:06 rangi       yeah
22:08 wizzyrea    do we care if the password reset shows things like opacnav on a private catalogue?
22:09 rangi       hmm probably yes
22:16 eythian     hi
22:16 wahanui     kia ora, eythian
22:28 wizzyrea    I think "Library users are allowed | not allowed to recover their password via e-mail in the OPAC
22:28 wizzyrea    "
22:28 wizzyrea    the variable could easily be called "OpacRecoverPassword" but that just seems unnecessary :P
22:43 cdickinson  @wunder nzwn
22:43 huginn`     cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on May 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
22:43 cdickinson  lol "Light Rain Showers"
23:04 wizzyrea    it might have been light at the time, not so much now.l