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02:44 eythian wahanui: we don't need no water
02:44 wahanui Are you CRAZY? The roof is ON FIRE!
02:51 eythian @later tell tcohen no, I have a better plan than that.
02:51 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:52 * wizzyrea is impressed that wahanui doesn't respond with "let the MFer Burn"
03:41 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2015p305812
03:41 rangi friday fun
04:27 Oak tch tch rangi. should not say that. pray for safety of everyone.
04:43 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
05:02 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
05:49 * magnuse waves
06:06 magnuse kia ora cait!
06:10 magnuse eythian++ for 3.18.6.1
06:29 cait hi magnuse
06:36 reiveune hello
06:40 Oak eythian++
06:40 Oak magnuse
06:40 Oak Guten morgen cait
06:43 magnuse Oak
06:43 Oak :)
06:44 cait :)
06:44 cait have to go - bbl
06:48 KotH good morning
06:48 KotH is there a way to dublicate a marc record?
06:49 * KotH has been looking but couldnt find anything
06:50 magnuse KotH: when you are on the "normal" detail view in the staff client, you can do...
06:50 magnuse Edit > Edit as new (duplicate)
06:51 alex_a bonjour
06:51 magnuse bonjour sophie_m et alex_a
06:51 KotH *facepalm*
06:51 magnuse :-)
06:51 KotH i've been looking at that drop down box 10 times at least
06:51 KotH must be blind, or tired, or both
06:51 magnuse hidden in plain view :-)
06:51 KotH thanks, magnuse!
06:52 sophie_m hi magnuse, hi #koha
06:54 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:54 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 10.8Â°C (8:37 AM CEST on April 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
06:54 magnuse @wunder boo
06:54 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0Â°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 24, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0Â°C. Windchill: -2.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
06:54 magnuse ice on the car this morning, snow showers yesterday
06:55 KotH sounds like perfectly fine summer weather
06:57 KotH just for the record: i really love koha and its simplicity to manage my own library!
06:57 KotH best tool i found
07:01 magnuse KotH: good to hear that :-)
07:02 KotH :-)
07:02 KotH i actually was surprised how simple koha is to use, given the fact that it was made for libraries and not for home users like me
07:02 KotH the only thing i still didnt get used to are the marc records
07:02 magnuse hehe, yeah that is the really weird part
07:03 magnuse my motto: MARC must die!
07:03 KotH heh
07:03 KotH i doubt it will
07:03 KotH at least not soon
07:05 KotH btw: is there any layman understandable introduction to marc?
07:10 magnuse dunno, maybe this? http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/
07:10 * magnuse learned about marc in library school
07:10 * KotH never went to library school
07:10 KotH i've seen that site, but when i tried to read it, it didnt make much sense
07:11 KotH maybe i should try again
07:14 magnuse maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_standards for a really short intro?
07:20 eythian @wunder nzwn
07:20 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0Â°C (7:00 PM NZST on April 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
07:27 jajm hi all
07:29 magnuse kia ora eythian paul_p jajm
07:29 jajm eythian, about the mojolicious package... won't it be acceptable to debian.koha-community.org ?
07:29 * cait waves
07:29 jajm hello magnuse cait
07:30 cait jajm: it's friday beer o clock in nz - i think maybe try a little earlier monday maybe
07:30 cait hm or tuesday, i think there is aholiday in nz on monday
07:32 jajm oh.. ok cait, thanks
07:34 gaetan_B hello
07:34 cdickinson Monday is Anzac Day observed
07:47 drojf morning #koha
08:04 magnuse moin drojf
08:33 cait morning drojf :)
08:33 cait Joubu++
09:06 nlegrand Hey #koha.
11:42 Viktor Greetings!
11:42 wahanui and beatings!
11:51 cait hi Viktor :)
11:55 Viktor Hi cait!
12:34 tcohen morning
12:36 cait morning tcohen :)
12:36 tcohen morning cait
12:36 tcohen @later tell eythian saw it
12:36 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:41 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
12:42 gerundio hey mtompset
12:42 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry
12:42 mtompset Has anyone ever encountered a hash problem like: $key = 'bar'; if ($row->{$key} ne $row->{'bar'}) { print "what is going on?!"; }
12:43 mtompset Greetings gerundio. :)
12:44 gerundio mtompset, is everything ok with bug 14036 now? (I'm Rolando Isidoro)
12:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14036 major, P5 - low, ---, rolando.isidoro, Signed Off , "Date::Calc::Add_Delta_YM(): not a valid date" error when accessing subscription detail
12:45 mtompset Not quite.
12:45 mtompset You didn't sign off properly.
12:46 mtompset Just like you didn't attach the patch correctly in the first place.
12:46 mtompset Do you have a git installation?
12:46 gerundio I performed a git checkout yes
12:47 mtompset Do you have git-bz installed?
12:47 gerundio nope
12:47 mtompset Okay, there is part of your problem.
12:48 mtompset Do you have a git so alias?
12:48 gerundio I talked to cait about the patch submission yesterday
12:48 gerundio I pushed the commit to the master branch
12:49 gerundio extracted a patch using git diff and attached it to one of my comments
12:49 mtompset You are doing it the "wrong" way.
12:49 gerundio I'm sure I am :D
12:49 mtompset Use git bz. It makes life much simpler.
12:49 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
12:50 tcohen mtompset: maybe you should take the quotes out
12:50 mtompset tcohen: I was being safe, in case I was wrong. :P
12:53 cait gerundio: you can also generate a patch file using: git format-patch HEAD^
12:53 cait it has all the information git bz has too
12:54 cait but it's less convenient if you do it more often :)
12:54 cait way less
12:54 gerundio it's been a year (or more) since my last contribution to koha's git repository
12:54 gerundio I don't think I do it that often
12:55 mtompset So, gerundio, I was expecting.... git bz apply 14036\n ... testing ... git so 2\n git bz attach -e 14036 HEAD^^..HEAD
12:56 * chris_n wonders how we got along before git bz... :-P
12:56 mtompset I'm pretty sure git format-patch and git am's. :)
12:57 cait gerundio: or wget patch file... git am -iu3 patcfile ... testing ... git commit --amend -s ... git format-patch HEAD^ ... upload via gui
12:58 cait chris_n: it worked... but git-bz probably saved ym life witht he many 6+ patches bugs that end up in the qa queue
13:05 mtompset I hate large number of commits for a patch, but sometimes smaller means easier step by step sign offs.
13:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14030: DBRev 3.19.00.030 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=856861b47ee7e0658f790391fbf22af38e48616b> / Bug 14030 - Added tests for duplicates. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c066a8ca2f648b9c823dedf9afad01dea1a4b6b1> / Bug 14030: Add Georgian language and fix Kannada language code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a91dad2b031
13:07 mtompset tcohen: have you ever encountered a hash problem like: $key = 'bar'; if ($row->{$key} ne $row->{'bar'}) { print "what is going on?!"; }
13:08 tcohen no
13:08 magnuse mtompset: works for me
13:08 tcohen i did some experiments a couple minutes back
13:08 tcohen and it works for me
13:09 tcohen you should stop using perl on window$
13:09 mtompset So you have it print something?!
13:09 tcohen :-P
13:09 tcohen id doesn't print, because they are eq
13:10 mtompset Because I'm trying to make sense of this kind of problem with the inventory.
13:10 mtompset I looked at my output and the original output....
13:10 mtompset and thought, "Why does withdrawn say 0?!"
13:10 mtompset It should say text.
13:11 mtompset And for some strange reason, I'm getting the equivalent of printing.
13:12 mtompset because for some reason $row->{$key} is handing the value of the first key in the hash.
13:12 mtompset which because of randomness, may or may not be the proper key.
13:15 tcohen so it is broken by design
13:15 tcohen because you sould always know your key :-D
13:16 tcohen whne is the next general meeting held?
13:16 mtompset tcohen: That's the annoying part. I do know the key.
13:17 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14030: (RM followup) fix copypasta blooper <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6495a57af6a804b6a59a6f5fce120bdc1a8e5775> / Bug 13992: Software error in reports if field or table does not exist <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4177d3ecd3d5c6620b5bcc09d69c17d2c79997ff>
13:24 gerundio I can't connect to koha's git repository using port 9418
13:24 gerundio when I try to clone git-bz I get this error message: "fatal: http://git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?"
13:24 cait how did your git clone look like?
13:24 gerundio that messages occurs when I try to clone using http
13:24 cait did you use http:// or git://
13:24 cait i think we only allow git://
13:25 gerundio git clone http://git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git
13:25 cait replace http:// with git://
13:25 gerundio getting koha using git?
13:25 gerundio http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Getting_Koha_using_Git
13:25 gerundio http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Cloning_over_HTTP
13:25 cait just try it? ;)
13:25 gerundio I was able to clone koha.git via http
13:26 cait git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone
13:26 cait see here it's there too
13:26 cait git://
13:26 gerundio but cloning git-bz is throwing that error
13:26 gerundio shouldn't it be possible to?
13:26 mtompset You should try git first.
13:27 cait did you try git clone git://git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git git-bz
13:27 gerundio cait, mtompset yes
13:27 cait what's the error?
13:27 gerundio our firewall is blocking connections to port 9418
13:27 cait hm
13:28 cait not sure how to get it then to be honest - not sure we mirror git bz to github
13:28 gerundio I can't telnet git.koha-community.org 9418
13:28 cait or another repo
13:28 * Oak waves
13:28 gerundio the weird thing is I got the koha.git repo just fine via http
13:29 mtj_ https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
13:29 gerundio does the git-bz.git repo have different setting?
13:29 mtj_ hi all
13:29 mtj_ gerundio: try that? ^
13:30 mtj_ ah, oops sorry, your'e after git-bz
13:31 mtj_ hmm, github version is a bit old :/
13:31 mtj_ its not mirrored properly
13:33 mtj_ i really need to head to bed :0)
13:35 mtompset Not sure, gerundio.
13:38 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza - have fun #koha!
13:57 mtompset Ah ha! Found the annoying inventory bug.
14:12 nengard mtompset just one?
14:12 nengard there are a few
14:12 mtompset nengard: The one I was hunting.
14:12 mtompset withdrawn = 0
14:12 mtompset Why display 0?!
14:12 nengard LOL
14:13 mtompset bug 14061 if you care to sign off. ;)
14:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14061 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Inventory fails to map withdrawn authorized values
14:14 cait tcohen: do we have working packages now?
14:14 cait and is the fix in git?
14:15 mtompset That's what Robin said in the email. I would assume do. :)
14:15 mtompset ^do^so^
14:15 cait hm but doesn't look like it's in git
14:16 cait mtompset: we build our own... i need to know how to fix it
14:16 mtompset cait: I'll be having the same problem shortly. Let me know when you figure that out. :)
14:20 tcohen cait: not yet, busy right now
14:21 mtompset nengard: Do you still see 0 in withdrawn?!
14:21 nengard yes
14:21 nengard attached an image
14:21 nengard just now
14:21 nengard i cleared cache too
14:21 mtompset Did you check your authorised_values?
14:22 mtompset perhaps it put 0 in the description?
14:22 nengard nope
14:22 nengard all i have is value =1 and description = withdrawn
14:22 nengard it's a clean db
14:25 mtompset If you add 0 to the WITHDRAWN authorized value as blank, it will be correct. If it doesn't have a mapping, it doesn't map it.
14:25 mtompset Or even "This was zero" as the description.
14:29 nengard mtompset but there isn't a 0 in the default koha db install - so people will always see 0 ... that said i'll go ahead an add it and see
14:29 mtompset thanks, perhaps there should be a 0 added to the default as well then.
14:29 mtompset because 0 and 1 are values that will occur normally.
14:30 nengard it didn't work ...
14:30 nengard i added a 0 authorized value with a blank description and I still see 0 ... hmmm
14:30 mtompset screen shot of your authorized values for WITHDRAWN would be helpful.
14:33 nengard done :)
14:34 mtompset That's what I would expect to generate blank.
14:34 nengard i promise it's not :( i can try again
14:35 mtompset I believe you. Code doesn't always run the same for everyone.
14:36 mtompset Okay... try the negative test... look for withdrawn books.
14:36 mtompset before patch 1, after patch Withdrawn.
14:43 nengard mtompset okay new image attached - both before and after the patch I see 1 instead of 'withdrawn'
14:43 nengard I did a fresh pull before applying your patch and the patch applied cleanly
14:43 nengard sorry :(
14:44 nengard maybe we need another tester to see if it's just my system, but I did a fresh install of my system at the hackfest because my old test was so full of crap :)
14:44 nengard so it's relatively new
14:44 mtompset No... I have one more idea. :)
14:44 mtompset New patch coming... there is another place. :)
14:45 mtompset If this fails... I'm comfused. :)
14:45 mtompset confused, even. :)
14:47 nengard LOL
14:48 mtompset I very much appreciate your testing, even if it ends up not working for you.
14:48 nengard got another question while mtompset works on that - anyone know what permission you need to be able to edit serial frequencies? I have a user with all serial permissions who can't do the editing - was there a bug about this?
14:51 mtompset nengard: Are you running on plack or something like that?
14:52 nengard nope
14:52 nengard out of the box install - nothing fancy
14:52 * mtompset shrugs.
14:52 mtompset Try again, one last time. :)
14:52 mtompset New patch is up.
14:53 mtompset If your withdrawn mapped to something other than 952$0?
14:55 nengard will check the mapping and then apply the patch
14:56 nengard :(
14:56 nengard don't want to share my results
14:58 mtompset Sorry to hear.
15:01 mtompset Okay... I'm going to fresh install from scratch and test... because this is weird.
15:09 nengard anyone know what permission you need to be able to edit serial frequencies? I have a user with all serial permissions who can't do the editing - was there a bug about this?
15:15 oliver_ hi
15:15 cait koha version?
15:15 cait version number?
15:15 wahanui version number is set to 3.03.032
15:15 cait hmm
15:15 cait hi oliver_
15:16 cait nengard: which version?
15:16 wahanui i heard which version was recommended?
15:16 cait nengard: some early version after the new serials it was admin - should be changed now to serials
15:16 cait nengard: do we have a text explaining the version number? thoughtthere was something on the website but can't find it
15:17 mtompset nengard: What OS? Debian?
15:17 oliver_ I have a question regarding required fields in MARC frameworks that have an authorized value constraint: why is always the first value selected, despite an empty default value? can this be fixed?
15:18 oliver_ specifically: 952c
15:18 oliver_ so this is about items, not the record
15:19 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
15:19 mtompset Sorry, wasn't pay attention to the question. :)
15:19 oliver_ :-)
15:21 nengard sorry was on the phone
15:21 nengard cait 3.16.10 i think
15:21 cait oliver_: hm, i thin it selects the alphabetically first
15:21 oliver_ IMHO, defining mandatory field *and* preselecting an undefined default is not a good idea as a wrong value will get saved
15:21 cait and offers no empty option for mandatory, is that possible?
15:21 nengard mtompset yes debian
15:21 mtompset squeeze, wheezy, jessie?
15:21 nengard um ... hehe
15:22 nengard wait -mine for your bug or the serial permission issue?
15:22 nengard mine is wheezy
15:22 cait nengard: which koha version?
15:22 wahanui which koha version is that?
15:22 cait i think mtompset is on the wrong path :)
15:22 mtompset separate thread, yes.
15:22 Joubu what cait said, confirmed
15:22 nengard cait the serial permission issue is 3.16.04.000
15:22 nengard mtompset mine is on master
15:23 Joubu the empty entry is only displayed if the field is not mandatory
15:23 mtompset so master, debian, wheezy... got it...
15:23 cait nengard: try giving admin perm... if it works ... that's it
15:23 cait bug 11226
15:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11226 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Working with serials now requires admin (parameters) permission
15:23 nengard yes, superlibrairna permission works - but we don't want to give htis person that permission
15:23 nengard okay
15:24 oliver_ cait: yes, it selects the first value but that is bad when the field is mandatory. the whole point of a mandatory field is to enfore an explicit choice
15:24 nengard thanks - i'll share that bug
15:24 cait hm it's supposed to be fixed with 3.16.2
15:24 cait full serial permissions... ohoh
15:25 cait nengard: doyou really have all all checkboxes checked there? for serials?
15:25 cait even superserials and the like?
15:25 nengard cait - checking - that's what they told me
15:25 oliver_ cait: granted, the field has a red label for new items but hitting save will store the preselected/first authorized value which is most likely wrong
15:26 cait oliver_: i agree, it's not a very good behaviour
15:26 cait it would be good to have it reported
15:27 oliver_ cait: I'd consider this a bug if there isn't a setting to change that behavior.
15:27 oliver_ cait: ok, I couldn't think of me being the first ever stumbling such a central thing
15:28 gerundio mtompset, I'm trying to sign off your tests patch from bug 14036
15:28 nengard so cait, all boxes are checked, but no the serial box - so i'm telling her to make that change and try again
15:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14036 major, P5 - low, ---, rolando.isidoro, Signed Off , "Date::Calc::Add_Delta_YM(): not a valid date" error when accessing subscription detail
15:28 Joubu 191 push @authorised_values, "" unless ( $subfieldlib->{mandatory} );
15:28 gerundio running prove t/db_dependent/Serials/GetNextDate.t before applying your patch works as expected
15:29 gerundio after applying your patch I get a "Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00)
15:29 gerundio Failed 88/88 subtests " error message
15:29 gerundio I'm not sure this is the "bomb horribly" you mention
15:30 mtompset ?
15:30 gerundio after applying the other patch the result is the same
15:31 * mtompset sighs.
15:31 mtompset Okay... I've scrolled back and read.
15:31 gerundio given the dependency on bug 13109 I also tried running the tests after applying the patch for that bug too
15:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13109 major, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Serial failure for received and general viewing
15:32 mtompset 1) Did you 'git pull' to make sure your master you were up to do?
15:32 gerundio yes
15:32 mtompset 2) What steps did you use after you were sure you were current?
15:32 cait nengard_phone: that could be it
15:33 Joubu oliver_: the behavior exists since the "beginning" (2006), if you have good arguments, you can open a new bug report. It will be very easy to submit a fix.
15:33 cait nengard_phone: just in case...tell them to log out and back in
15:33 Joubu have to go, have a good w-e #koha
15:33 nengard_phone will do ciat
15:33 cait you too Joubu
15:33 mtompset Bye, Joubu
15:33 gerundio mtompset, I followed the instructions in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
15:33 gerundio manually
15:33 mtompset gerundio: I want you to tell me everything you typed.
15:34 gerundio downloaded 3 patches
15:34 mtompset Because that is a bunch of instructions that I don't know that you did correctly.
15:34 oliver_ Joubu: ok, that's interesting. will do
15:34 gerundio 1 from bug 13109 and 2 from bug 14036
15:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14036 major, P5 - low, ---, rolando.isidoro, Signed Off , "Date::Calc::Add_Delta_YM(): not a valid date" error when accessing subscription detail
15:34 gerundio created a new branch for testing purposes
15:34 mtompset Okay, manually downloaded patches.
15:34 mtompset created new branch
15:35 mtompset git am'd them all 13109 first?
15:35 gerundio applyed patch from the 13109
15:35 gerundio them attachment 38467
15:35 huginn` 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=38467&action=edit patch, Bug 14036 - GetNextDate.t lacking test cases., Bug-14036---GetNextDatet-lacking-test-cases.patch
15:36 gerundio ran tests which failed with the message I mentioned above
15:36 gerundio applied patch 38468 and ran tests again
15:36 gerundio still fail with the same message
15:36 oliver_ I have another, more general question: what's the purpose of specifying the classification source? purely informational or does that influence some functionality? related: what does the "Classification filing rule Sorting routine" "generic" do?
15:37 mtompset Seriously?!
15:37 mtompset paste?
15:37 wahanui paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
15:38 mtompset Could you please paste a git diff origin/master there?
15:38 oliver_ background: we use a combination of MCS/PACS and I created a custom source and filing rule (based on generic) for it - I just wonder what the actual effect might be :-)
15:39 oliver_ ... since you can't really customize anything
15:39 cait oliver_: it affects how the sort form of your callnumber is generated
15:40 cait it hink if you use something custom you made a good first step by defining your own based on z - that's what we do too
15:40 cait there are specific scripts for ddc and loc
15:40 oliver_ cait: that's what I thought. so what's the meaning of "generic" in that case? full call number sorted alphanum?
15:40 cait if you have saved a few items, check for the items.cn_sort column
15:41 cait it will have the 'sortable' generated form
15:41 cait i think alphanum yes
15:41 cait but I haven't done a lot of testing there
15:41 mtompset gerundio: Could you paste a git diff origin/master at http://paste.koha-community.org?
15:41 oliver_ cait: yep, noticed that field already. ok, will do
15:41 cait you could write your own sorting algorithm by writing a script and then changing the sorting rule in the config
15:41 oliver_ cait: where is this sorting applied? mainly for the shelf browser?
15:42 oliver_ cait: I see, a guess how to get that script into the list of available sorting routines is different question :-)
15:43 pastebot "gerundio" at 193.136.124.225 pasted "Bug 14036 sign off patches" (176 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/63
15:43 gerundio mtompset, I pasted the full procedure
15:43 gerundio the git diff is at the end
15:49 cait oliver_: i think you can also use it in reports
15:49 mtompset As far as I can tell, this is an unrelated bug.
15:49 cait oliver_: might be enough to save the file in the right place :)
15:50 mtompset line 2468 in C4/Serials does not reference the publisheddate.
15:50 mtompset The if condition attempted to compare and increment things.
15:51 mtompset make sure your issuesperunit value is set for your subscription.
15:52 mtompset Don't ask me how, because that I do not know.
15:52 mtompset But your subscription data is probably not filled out fully.
15:52 oliver_ cait: ok, now to my final question for today: is it possible to add a tag (and its subfields!) to a MARC framework as it already exists, say, in the default framework without basing the new framework on the default one (then deleting 90% of the unneeded tags)
15:53 oliver_ example: what's the easiest way to add 520 (summary) and all its subfields to the "fast add" framework?
15:54 cait oliver_: try using the export options - to tods
15:54 cait ods for example
15:54 cait that#s the easisest way for batch edits
15:54 cait you will still want to base it on default... but hide fields you don't want to use maybe
15:55 cait there are a lot of things marc21 is unhappy without that you shoudl be careful wit - or also koha, like the 999 and 942/52 fields
15:56 oliver_ cait: hm, sounds cumbersome. I would have expected a feature that allows you to pick single tags from the default framework "pool". would make things much easier
15:56 gaetan_B bye
15:56 oliver_ cait: exactly that's the reason why any manual interaction (copy/paste via ods) should be avoided IMHO
15:56 cait oliver_: be aware that koha will delete everything that is not in your framework
15:57 oliver_ cait: delete from where?
15:57 wahanui delete from is probably slower, but works on all versions of MySQL/MariaDB.
15:57 cait so if you download a record, and forgot to add a field or subfield, on saving they will be deleted
15:57 oliver_ cait: sure
15:57 cait that's why it's more recommended to hide fields from the editor instead of deleting them
15:57 mtompset gerundio: So, did you try fixing all your subscriptions? :)
15:59 oliver_ cait: ok, but sounds like a nightmare to create new slim framework based on the default one and then clicking through 90% of the tags in order to hide them (example: doctoral theses with just a handful of tags)
15:59 cait that's why i recommended exproting and reimporting - it's the easisest way apart from sql update
15:59 cait i have to leave - spanish class
15:59 oliver_ cait: will look into it.
15:59 cait bye all :)
15:59 gerundio mtompset, I'll get back to you asap
15:59 oliver_ cait: thanks, as always
16:00 cait np
16:00 cait sorry to run off
16:14 mtompset ARG! Perhaps I didn't have current master.
16:42 gerundio mtompset, was your last comment about our topic?
16:59 mtompset gerundio: In part, but it doesn't affect anything. My tests run the same still even after update.
16:59 mtompset Wow. This git clone is failing to happen.
17:03 gerundio well, I'm off for the weekend
17:03 gerundio I'll pick it up next Monday
17:03 gerundio thanks for all the help
17:03 mtompset Enjoy. Sorry you couldn't get the same results.
17:03 gerundio have a nice weekend everyone
17:10 mtompset Well, I guess I killed it. Can someone kick git.koha-community.org?
17:13 mtompset Just 150ish away from finished the compressing. NOOOOOOOOO! Git clone why are you hanging on me like this?
17:14 mtompset Who do I have to give money to upgrade git.koha-community.org so it doesn't do this? :)
17:16 reiveune bye
18:07 mtompset Greetings, druthb
18:07 druthb hiyas.
18:07 mtompset Did you see my facebook update?
18:07 mtompset I'm very frustrated right now.
18:07 druthb I did. Well, if you'd stop breaking stuff...
18:07 mtompset I can't do a full git clone.
18:08 mtompset So, I just tried: git clone -b master --single-branch git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone
18:08 mtompset AND still ...
18:08 nengard hola
18:08 wahanui what's up, nengard
18:09 mtompset I'm hating the last 1%.
18:25 mtompset Greetings, nengard. :)
18:26 nengard :)
18:26 mtompset with all this pain trying to do a regular git install, I can see why people want to gitify.
18:27 nengard :)
18:27 nengard I love my git install ...
18:27 nengard but i didn't install it
18:27 nengard hehe
18:28 mtompset trying to do a git install from SCRATCH... just to confirm everything is truly default.
18:35 mtompset Sucky. Even a router reboot didn't help. :(
18:49 * mtompset grumbles about his virtualbox.
18:51 nengard :(
19:21 mtompset I think it was my virtualbox NAT failing me.
19:56 mtompset Okay, git-bz cloned, qa-test-tools cloned, koha almost cloned.
19:56 mtompset Progress... finally.
19:58 nengard awesome mtompset
19:59 mtompset I really should eat lunch. :)
20:03 mtompset nengard: have you ever tried a sandbox?
20:05 nengard not with your patch, but yes
20:07 cait wnickc++
20:07 wnickc cait: what did I do?
20:07 cait thx for retesting relatives checkouts :)
20:08 wnickc ah yes
20:08 wnickc I was keeping my fingers crossed
20:10 cait it sure has proven to be a bit of a difficult one
20:12 wnickc yeah
20:15 nengard wnickc got any more xslt patches to sign off on?? hehe
20:15 wnickc nengard: I did go after those pretty hard :)
20:15 nengard i loved it!!!
20:15 wnickc I wanted 'em in
20:15 nengard I want them all in 3.20
20:16 nengard not sure they'll make it though
20:16 nengard they're just template changes - so maybe
20:16 wnickc oh, that reminds me, one needs a comment
20:17 wnickc 5 pushed so far is pretty good
20:17 wnickc bug 13734
20:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13734 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wsalesky, Failed QA , RDA: Display 33xs
20:18 wnickc I was waiting to see if anyone else had thoughts on the separators, but I am happy with Winona's solution
20:20 cait i asked drojf to take a look - he said the 2 missing are in fqa
20:20 nengard I like it wnickc
20:21 cait i think next we need to change the indexing
20:21 cait especically pudate
20:21 cait pubdate
20:21 nengard YES
20:21 nengard but the problem is that no one is updating old records
20:21 cait and i have no idea how to solve the mappings... probably we can't - or we map the old to copyrightdate and the new to publicationyear
20:21 nengard so we need 260 and 264
20:22 cait unimarc uses the latter currently... and a lot of the displays look at both
20:22 nengard oh - so that's good
20:22 cait not all of them, but it's the best that came to my mind so far
20:22 nengard i figured we needed to do the koha to marc mapping
20:22 cait making it possible to map to mulitple fields is probably much harder to do
20:22 nengard and wasn't sure what to map 264 to
20:22 cait publicationyear might be an option
20:23 cait some of the displays display whatever is filled... other look for marcflavour - but that would not be hard to change
20:25 wnickc I always use the 008 for dates when running reports, consistent across AACR/RDA, and more often filled correctly
20:26 cait makes sense
20:26 cait it seems some libraries don#t have those tho - and we use the other fields for display in a lot of places
20:27 cait bit messy overall
20:30 wnickc I blame the standards for doubling up on info and moving things that don't need ot be moved
20:31 wnickc librarians, we like to complicate things
20:31 nengard yup!!
20:32 nengard who thought we needed a new field for this info - it makes no sense
20:32 wnickc but how will you know we are moving forward if the numbers don't change, 264 is 4 more than 260
20:32 wnickc onward and upward!
20:37 nengard :p
20:57 cait heh
21:46 mtompset ARG... 403 error on a fresh git install.
21:49 mtompset Greetings, indradg.
21:49 mtompset Any clues on what apache tweaks are necessary for a fresh git install?
21:49 mtompset I'm getting a 403.
22:29 bag @whoami
22:29 huginn` bag: I don't recognize you.
22:32 bag @whoami
22:32 wahanui 24601!
22:32 huginn` bag: bag
22:32 bag :D
23:04 tcohen hi
23:04 tcohen eythian: around?
23:18 tcohen night #koha
23:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10423: Show date due with time if it's a hourly loan <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0b51eafddb2721de247b2f0dd3b9a33048db13d> / Bug 10971: Hide EAN search for MARC21 / template corrections <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=83a923e11a97f5328ce6b0715c4e86069c7861e0> / Bug 14055: remove symlink that breaks upgrades <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko
23:23 tcohen @later tell paul_p can anyone at biblibre check the SMTP server installed on the jenkins server? if you look at the output of failed test you will notice some misconfiguration on the SMTP server
23:23 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
23:24 tcohen @later tell paul_p for example: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/17/console
23:24 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.