Time Nick Message 23:29 thd ;) 23:29 wahanui elasticsearch is, like, mosying along. I really ought to break out the bits I've had to build to support it, like Koha::Biblio and such 23:29 eythian thd: elasticsearch 23:29 wahanui ES is pretty awesome 23:29 thd eythian: ES? 23:28 wizzyrea thanks tcohen, enjoy the rest of your evening 23:28 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_2.2015-04-15-22.01.log.html 23:28 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_2.2015-04-15-22.01.txt 23:28 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_2.2015-04-15-22.01.html 23:28 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 23:28:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 23:28 tcohen #endmeeting 23:28 eythian later 23:28 tcohen :-D 23:28 tcohen again 23:28 tcohen we'll do this more often 23:28 tcohen thanks everyone for your time and ideas/opinions 23:28 tcohen so 23:28 tcohen i need to take care of home stuff (i've just arrived and it is 20:30 already) 23:27 thd tcohen: It certainly needs some more careful consideration. 23:27 thd cait mentioned that YAML for system preferences is being translated. 23:27 tcohen thd: i think we should discuss it on a bug or RFC 23:26 thd Maybe as a system preference but called for each bibliographic framework. 23:25 tcohen how would you do it? 23:25 thd I have the idea of setting a preference per Koha MARC framework without storing the value in the framework itself. 23:25 tcohen ok, i'll finish the meeting now, i need to leave and you can keep discussing it if you want to 23:24 tcohen right 23:24 thd Additional problem is having any associated value list translatable. 23:23 wizzyrea aha 23:23 tcohen wizzyrea: my question was wheter that kind of sysprefs could be set framework-wise, and in a MARC-dialect agnostic way 23:23 thd tcohen: It passed but I toggled the state in ignorance of the correct procedure when adding my comments this morning. 23:22 tcohen is it failed? 23:22 tcohen *ublication 23:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 23:21 thd tcohen: That is fine, I had an idea about how to keep it with the frameworks without putting it in the frameworks. 23:21 tcohen Language and country fixed size field positions: MARC flavour-specific vs. a general approach (Bug 13912) 23:21 tcohen the item was 23:21 wizzyrea production positions? 23:20 tcohen thd: i think we skipped the country of production positions talk 23:20 wahanui good news is it looks like it's running properly. 23:20 bag yes good news 23:20 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, tcohen 23:20 tcohen eythian: awesome! 23:20 thd tcohen: Did we skip some items? 23:20 eythian otherwsie, nothing to report from me 23:20 eythian ES is moving along. About to start on staff client 23:20 tcohen to talk about? 23:19 tcohen any other thing? 23:19 tcohen #info next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29 23:18 tcohen yeah 23:18 thd Wow, many hours of UTC time for those who can stay awake doing QA :) 23:18 tcohen :-P 23:18 tcohen [off] you could try to brive me anyway 23:17 tcohen thursday 9:10 am argentinian timezone is the actual cut 23:17 tcohen of course 23:17 thd tcohen: If something passes QA on Wednesday would it have a chance of qualifying? 23:16 tcohen thd: i don't follow you sorry 23:15 * tcohen adds it to his pocket 23:15 thd tcohen: What happens during Wed. before Wed. has ended? 23:15 tcohen that gives us time to coordinate efforts toward stabilization if needed 23:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13979 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Signed Off , Packages uninstallable on Debian Jessie 23:15 eythian tcohen: I'd really like to get you to have an eyeball over bug 13979 and put it in, btw. 23:15 tcohen objections? 23:15 tcohen next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29 23:14 tcohen beta -> next weekend (after the cut) 23:14 eythian wfm :) 23:14 tcohen cut date -> next wednesday 23:14 tcohen as I said on part 1 23:14 tcohen moving on then 23:14 tcohen ok 23:13 tcohen we will blame you if something goes wrong about the announcement anywayu 23:13 eythian cool 23:13 tcohen eythian: go ahead 23:12 tcohen the release notes will mention it too 23:12 wizzyrea "Hi, it's not possible or even reasonable to continue supporting squeeze, so we're not going to do it anymore. eom." 23:12 eythian that's just for you people :) 23:11 eythian oh sure 23:11 tcohen :-D 23:11 tcohen something more politically correct maybe? 23:10 tcohen you could avoid the "unilateral" speech just in case 23:10 eythian cool. 23:10 tcohen go ahead 23:09 tcohen ah, no 10.04 23:09 eythian tcohen: I was going to announce it on both lists to make sure everyone knows about it. 23:09 * tcohen too 23:08 eythian ah right. If it's any consolation I have an 8.04 box still running. 23:08 tcohen eythian: i'll send a new email about this to koha-devel, I think no one would disagree 23:08 thd eythian: I mean my non-Koha backup systems, etc. 23:07 eythian support in 3.18 etc. will remain 23:07 eythian thd: well, you'll only have to do it in order to upgrade to 3.20 anyway 23:07 thd eythian: My definition is not being forced to do by the end of the month something which I should have done two years ago :) 23:06 wizzyrea or after you closed the meeting. I don't see it in the logs but whatever. 23:06 bag I seem to remember something about it too 23:06 wizzyrea tcohen: maybe it was in the main meeting 23:05 tcohen heh, thanks bag 23:05 eythian thd: wheezy was released nearly two years ago, you may need to refine your definition of sudden :) 23:05 bag yes 23:05 tcohen is it valid if the RM dreamed about a vote on something? 23:04 * thd just wants to avoid upgrading some squeeze systems to wheezy too suddenly 23:04 * tcohen can't find them ,but is pretty sure 23:03 eythian thd: but if you want to backport everything that newer koha wants, be my guest :) 23:03 eythian thd: it is 23:03 * eythian can't find it in the logs 23:03 thd eythian: Is squeeze not being maintained until 2016 even if not for Koha? 23:03 eythian you did? 23:03 wizzyrea \o/ that was easy. 23:03 tcohen on the previous dev meeting we agreed that 3.20 wouldn't support Squeeze 23:02 * eythian decides unilaterally 23:02 tcohen ah *that* 23:02 * thd in no hurry to discover jessie bugs. 23:02 eythian come 3.20 23:02 eythian squeeze is being shot in the head 23:02 tcohen eythian: about ES' 23:02 tcohen anything else? 23:02 tcohen ok 23:01 tcohen </rant> 23:01 tcohen jessie == systemd == unix is dead 23:00 eythian thd: it is 23:00 tcohen we'll talk about that before the end of the week for sure 22:59 thd eythian: Is jessie not forthcoming at the end of the month? 22:59 tcohen khall nudged julian about those concerns 22:59 wizzyrea butterflies! 22:59 tcohen ok, lets keep positive 22:58 eythian I'm having a quick go at building mojolicious 6, it might be that it's easy, but if it can't backport to wheezy, then that's simply not an option. 22:57 eythian yeah 22:57 tcohen i'm worried, but we'll sort it out, for sure 22:57 tcohen eythian: ok 22:56 eythian http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=36705&action=diff <-- see for example the perl files here 22:56 tcohen i couldn't find that dependency, but i will sure take a look at the office tomorrow 22:56 thd eythian: Which code has no documentation? 22:56 * tcohen is stuck 22:54 eythian tcohen: swagger2 declares that it depends on mojolicious 6.0 22:54 tcohen but we agreed we don't need the latest mojolicious 22:53 eythian (rather, my issues are documented on the bug) 22:53 eythian but anyway, it's documented on the bug :) 22:53 bag http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/New_REST_API_RFC 22:53 * tcohen hasn't had the time to take a look yet 22:53 eythian the next biggest issue is that the code has no documentation. 22:52 eythian older mojolicious is in debian, swagger2 isn't at all. 22:52 tcohen mojolicious and swagger2 22:52 wizzyrea ^ this seems like perhaps not the best situation ever. 22:51 eythian they're not even in any unreleased version 22:51 tcohen :/ 22:51 eythian they're not in anything 22:51 wizzyrea he's a taskmaster, that packaging manager of ours. 22:51 tcohen eythian: you mean they are not in jessie? 22:50 tcohen and khall said he approached julian about some called "Robin"'s comments 22:50 eythian it's not near a state for signoff, imo 22:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API 22:49 tcohen jonathan mentioned the work on bug 13799 needs signoff 22:49 eythian I had a look at that yesterday, the dependencies are awkward and annoying 22:49 tcohen because we needed to catch up 22:49 tcohen we talked a bit about the REST api implementation 22:49 tcohen #topic Big stuff we are working on 22:48 wizzyrea khall++ 22:47 tcohen khall++ 22:47 tcohen and khall volunteered 22:47 tcohen but Jonathan said he wanted more eyes on it 22:47 tcohen so the SO status was strange 22:47 tcohen i mentioned because (1) it looks great and (2) it had been signed by two QA members 22:46 tcohen adding wings to them 22:46 tcohen that does an interesting job refactoring the cataloguing plugins code 22:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10480 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improvements for framework plugins in cataloguing/item editor 22:46 tcohen on part one we mentioned bug 10480 22:46 tcohen great 22:46 wizzyrea yep 22:45 tcohen i think we agree that if view policy is working, there's no problem adding fields to the xSLTs, right? 22:45 wizzyrea :) 22:45 wizzyrea you obsess a lot. 22:45 tcohen ok 22:45 wahanui ...but tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts|122|obsessed with automated testing :)|king of the lab... 22:45 tcohen wahanui: tcohen is actually 123 22:44 wahanui hmmm... tcohen is 122 22:44 tcohen me? 22:44 tcohen who's got the double? 22:43 tcohen :-P 22:43 tcohen they are, until someone has a regression test for that 22:43 wizzyrea ohh you got a double hmpf. 22:43 cait_not_here hmpf 22:43 tcohen :-P 22:43 wizzyrea hrmph. 22:42 wizzyrea hrmpn. 22:42 tcohen wizzyrea: they aren't, but shhh 22:42 wizzyrea (as far as I know they are) 22:42 eythian yeah 22:42 wizzyrea as long as the visibility rules are applying correctly, this is sensible to me. 22:41 tcohen and we concluded that adding fields there is not a problem as long as they are not added to the frameworks and/or enabled for visibility 22:41 tcohen i was worried about the patches waiting for QA right now that introduce new fields on the XSLT 22:40 wizzyrea <not sorry> 22:40 wizzyrea <sorry> 22:40 tcohen moving on 22:40 tcohen ok, diverted a lot 22:39 tcohen eythian: you're damn right 22:39 tcohen and i wrote that tiny class that encapsulated both the bitstream, and the metadata format of the bitstream, thinking of having JSON data, etc... 22:39 eythian yeah, build a filter chain 22:38 tcohen prepare data for display in results context, have a specific filter that applies the xslt, etc 22:38 eythian ah yep 22:38 tcohen then have a filter that does that 22:38 tcohen for example, if you need to apply a policy about fields/subfields visibility 22:37 tcohen with Koha::Filter::* 22:37 tcohen I think we should make broader use of Koha::RecordProcessor 22:37 tcohen that only puts some stuff together (bitstream, metadata format, etc) 22:36 eythian "filter data"? 22:36 tcohen eythian: on my work for a more reasonable way to filter data, i came with a Koha::Search::Result class (or something like that) 22:35 eythian at the moment, it's mostly compatibility layers with the C4::Search way anyway. 22:35 tcohen ok, we need to move on, unless eythian, wizzyrea, thd or rangi (if absent... beware) volunteers to work on QP 22:35 tcohen *read 22:35 tcohen eythian: that's awesome to hear 22:34 eythian searching for ES will be pretty easy to replace with something better. 22:34 thd tcohen: ColinC was reporting his suspicion for things which may not have been properly discovered and reported. 22:33 wizzyrea or rather, to learn from our mistakes 22:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12742 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Omnibus: QueryParser 22:33 tcohen bug 12742 22:33 wizzyrea or (sorry eythian) to make sure that the next iteration of searching in Koha doesn't have the same issues 22:33 tcohen but we definitely need someone to work on that 22:33 thd The fault may be in the legacy query code which many people have had difficulty deciphering. 22:33 tcohen there aren't *that many* open bugs for QueryParser 22:32 wizzyrea I am certain that is true, it could be a goal of a future release to tidy all that up perhaps? 22:32 thd In the early meeting, ColinC reported that he thought that QueryParser would break multiple system preferences as it is. 22:31 tcohen wizzyrea: but... we don't have a top! 22:30 tcohen #info wizzyrea reminded us that the project evolves because of our commitment to do good stuff, not to let ourselves languish in favor of comfort 22:30 wizzyrea and that's an unpleasant thing. 22:30 wizzyrea unfortunately enforcing that comes from the top :/ 22:29 tcohen wizzyrea++ 22:29 thd wizzyrea++ 22:29 tcohen that's the right attitude 22:29 wizzyrea that's all I'm getting at. 22:29 wizzyrea and not languish because it's more comfortable. 22:29 wizzyrea and improve it 22:29 tcohen wizzyrea: we should 22:28 wizzyrea my only point is that if we have btter tech, we should be looking to use it 22:28 tcohen explaining the bug http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/QueryParser-does-not-manage-more-than-1-operator-td5823170.html 22:28 tcohen this is jonathan's post to koha-devel 22:28 tcohen heh 22:28 thd tcohen: No. 22:28 tcohen thd: are you using QP? 22:27 thd I see problems everywhere I look but there are too many for me to have time to file bug reports about all of them ;) 22:26 tcohen thd: the problem jonathan mentioned today is trivial enough to make it clear they dont face it 22:26 tcohen eythian: yes, a ES driver should do the job 22:25 tcohen the problem is that parse trees traversal and what to do with it is not trivial as a regular expression 22:25 thd ... or without complaint from Evergreen users even if noticed? 22:25 eythian which I though would be good to generate ES queries, eventually. 22:25 thd tcohen: Could the problems have been present but unnoticed by Evergreen users? 22:25 tcohen configurable using a yaml file 22:25 tcohen is that it is an abstract query parser and translation engine 22:24 tcohen the idea about queryparser 22:24 eythian yes, it is. 22:24 tcohen but having the whole picture of all the border cases... difficult 22:24 tcohen imean, you read a line and you know what it does 22:24 tcohen our search code is full of ad-hoc stuff noone knows what to expect from it 22:24 eythian ok 22:23 tcohen to put it clear (my opinion on QP) 22:23 tcohen which narrows things a lot 22:23 tcohen and related to our PQF driver 22:23 tcohen so the issues are Koha specific 22:23 tcohen without any problems 22:23 tcohen but jcamins told me Evergreen has been using it for years 22:22 tcohen i couldn't approach gmcharlt_ 22:22 thd tcohen: Are certain that a similar bug does not affect QueryParser in Evergreen? 22:22 eythian ah, I thought it was closer to "not work" 22:22 tcohen not things like "searches don't work" 22:22 eythian I have no intention, I just wanted to get a good feel for it to see how useful it is/would be. 22:22 tcohen things like "right truncation doesn't work as expected" 22:21 wizzyrea is it our intention to use it? 22:21 tcohen that's almost true 22:21 * eythian has been thinking about looking into it for ES work. 22:21 eythian My understanding is that QP had some bugs that would make it more or less not work if you turned it on. 22:21 wizzyrea yep 22:21 tcohen so we are safe probably 22:21 wizzyrea :/ 22:21 wizzyrea so yeah, nobody who's submitted using that. 22:21 wizzyrea that is, you're right 22:20 wizzyrea from what I said 22:20 tcohen and the rest: undef :-F 22:20 wizzyrea other way round :) 22:20 tcohen 0 22:20 tcohen 59 out of 63 have it disabled 22:20 wizzyrea 59 with it enabled? 22:20 wizzyrea http://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences > find in page QueryParser 22:20 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 22:19 wizzyrea if it's a syspref, probably 22:19 tcohen it could be handy this time :-D 22:19 tcohen does HEA have information about that? 22:19 wizzyrea yeah, I think this instance is probably fine 22:19 tcohen and that's because there are some outstanding bugs still 22:19 tcohen QueryParser is off by default, so it is expected that too little people are using it 22:18 tcohen we agreed we should push the feature, and fill a bug for QueryParser 22:18 wizzyrea just something to think about 22:18 wizzyrea but we mandated "features in bootstrap, back to prod" before, we could do it here too 22:18 wizzyrea that may be true, that we won't be able to fix it on time 22:18 tcohen anyway 22:17 tcohen much people are conservative about how they use their daily tools 22:17 tcohen wizzyrea: I agree 22:17 tcohen Joubu bets we won't be able to fix it on time 22:17 wizzyrea because people won't change to the new hotness if we let them get by wearing the old sweatpants, if you know what I mean 22:17 tcohen i'll try to 22:16 tcohen you are right 22:16 tcohen and we need to address that, correctly 22:16 tcohen Jonathan basically found a bug on the PQF driver Koha uses 22:16 wizzyrea well then that's the problem that needs addressing, imo 22:16 tcohen people are afraid of getting into it to fix stuff 22:15 tcohen but 22:15 wizzyrea but that's just me 22:15 tcohen QueryParser is a really good idea that we should be using more widely 22:15 wizzyrea and port features back 22:15 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT 22:15 wizzyrea personally, I feel like we should work on the more advanced framework 22:14 wizzyrea because it could be a bit like the old "put it in bootstrap and backport it to prog" that we did for a while 22:14 wizzyrea generally? 22:14 wizzyrea is it more desirable to have QueryParser on 22:14 tcohen shoot 22:13 wizzyrea simply for my information 22:13 tcohen and we agreed QueryParser having a bug shouldn't prevent us from having the feature 22:13 tcohen the question was wheter to put bugs that required not using QP on hold or not 22:12 tcohen which has issues that need to be addresed 22:12 tcohen during part 1 we also talked about QueryParser 22:11 tcohen khall asked people to give 13799 a chance to make it into 3.20 22:10 tcohen on part 1 I proposed to approach fredericd about moving to Moo 22:10 tcohen #topic Bugs 22:09 tcohen #info please let tcohen know if your feature needs attention to make it move, or have his opinion on the odds of it making into 3.20 22:09 tcohen as i will get to the office to get a screenshot of the pqa list at 9 am (ART) we shift to the next day 22:09 wizzyrea fwiw I have no opinion on moose, the others here might 22:08 wizzyrea sensible 22:08 tcohen i set april 22nd as the cut for things to have the chance to get included 22:08 tcohen #info: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 23nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in 22:07 wizzyrea lol 22:07 tcohen LOL 22:07 tcohen #info wizzyrea is sympathetic to tcohen 22:07 tcohen thanks 22:06 wizzyrea yeah, I think we can all understand and be sympathetic to your situation there 22:06 tcohen and enhancements follow 22:06 tcohen focused on bugfixes since last week 22:06 tcohen and i've been (and will keep) using my office hours for RM duties 22:06 wizzyrea I hadn't - I will go do now 22:05 tcohen i basically apologize (again) 22:05 tcohen have you read the logs? 22:05 tcohen #topic RM 3.20 comments 22:05 tcohen ok 22:04 wizzyrea think it might be just you and me :) 22:04 wizzyrea hah 22:04 tcohen unless we can count as enough 22:04 tcohen we'll wait then :-D 22:03 wizzyrea no rangi (away) or eythian (yet) 22:03 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 22:03 tcohen eythian, wizzyrea, rangi ? 22:02 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba 22:02 tcohen just like wahanui did 22:02 tcohen please introduce yourselves using #info name 22:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 22:02 tcohen #topic Introductions 22:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_2' 22:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 15 22:01:59 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:01 tcohen #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2 22:00 wizzyrea it would be a big job to keep up with the exact features of both 21:58 jcamins FWIW 21:58 jcamins EG is up to 2.8 and has slower release cycles than Koha. 21:58 tcohen cait: we need you to chair! you'd do it fine this time! 21:57 * cait leaves 21:57 jcamins I know. 21:57 cait 3.14 (2015)! it says! 21:57 jcamins Anyway, go to bed. 21:57 wahanui i heard cait was happy about some example opacs :) 21:57 cait yeyesyes 21:57 jcamins cait? 21:57 wahanui i guess cait is lookign forward to the API discussion 21:57 jcamins cait? 21:57 wahanui cait is, like, working on a patch to make it possible to set the date individually - first step 21:57 jcamins cait? 21:57 wahanui hmmm... cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. 21:57 jcamins cait? 21:57 wahanui cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. 21:57 jcamins cait? 21:57 wahanui cait is very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion. 21:57 jcamins cait? 21:57 cait koha 3.14... oi 21:57 jcamins And it links to the wrong website. 21:56 jcamins A *perfect* example! 21:56 wizzyrea so there's that. 21:56 wizzyrea also it only goes up to 3.14 21:56 cait ... an leave for real :) bye again 21:55 jcamins :) 21:55 * cait can stop searching now 21:55 cait ah ok, i htink that was the one i was thinking about too 21:55 jcamins http://ils.foss4lib.org/features 21:55 cait can you share the link? 21:55 jcamins Oh, the foss4lib one is the one that she did, just moved to a different domain than I was trying to find. 21:54 cait hm i think i know 21:54 jcamins No, EG was mischaracterized as well. 21:54 wizzyrea I probably have a copy of it in my gdocs :P 21:53 jcamins I was thinking of Lori's. 21:53 tcohen wasnt it evergreenn's? 21:53 jcamins Oh, that would be great to have too. 21:53 wizzyrea or the one lori ayre did between evergreen and koha? 21:53 wizzyrea oh you mean the sirsi/dynix whitepaper thing? 21:53 jcamins (example of the importance of thinking critically about comparisons) 21:53 jcamins I'll use the foss4lib comparison. 21:52 jcamins tcohen: yeah, that's what I found, too. 21:52 tcohen jcamins: google proposes Comparing Species through the Fossil Record 21:50 wnickc thanks! 21:49 cait wnickc++ :) 21:49 jcamins Does anyone have a link to that inaccurate FOSS ILS comparison handy? 21:46 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 21:46 cait night all 21:44 cait hm going to turn into a pumkin soon... time to sleep 21:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13803 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , SelfCheck not setting flag when item requires transit 21:42 bag bug 13803 21:42 cait ah hey :) 21:42 bag ok 21:42 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 21:42 cait @later tell bag could you take a look at bug 13803 tomorrow? (sip from colin) 21:25 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 21:25 cait @later tell Joubu - can you take a quick look at my comment on bug 7976? 21:25 cait hi wizzyrea hi tcohen 21:21 tcohen hi wizzyrea 21:21 wizzyrea hi 21:12 wahanui kia ora, tcohen 21:12 tcohen hi 21:02 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 21:02 cait @later tell khall bug 11084 needs a tiny follow-up 20:27 misilot thank you 20:27 misilot cait: will try. I came across a bug report that's from 2011, saying it's not possible. Figured I would start here and work through the mailing list :) 20:26 cait bigger audience :) 20:26 cait misilot: hm i'd ask on the mailing list 20:26 cait not actively using labels right now, sorry 20:22 misilot has anyone ever gotten labels with different sizes (for example, a spine label, and a book label) to print? :) 20:20 magnuse makes sense while you are getting your feet wet 20:20 andreashm <------ allways going for the easy option. =) 20:20 * andreashm will look for other, easier bugs to tinker with then 20:19 * andreashm seems to say oh a lot 20:19 cait yeah it's a complicated one 20:18 andreashm oh, there was quite a lot of them 20:17 cait if you click on 'tree' you can see all the dependencies 20:16 andreashm cait: oh, missed that 20:16 cait this depends on 13853 - so that needs to be applied first 20:16 cait also check the depends on 20:16 magnuse sometimes things change and break patches - then they get the "does not apply" status 20:15 magnuse andreashm: do you get an error? 20:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Show waiting date on reserve/request.pl 20:14 andreashm I can't apply bug 13517. is it just me, or something wrong with it? 20:03 wnickc nvm, docdir isn't changed on gitify 20:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 20:02 wahanui rumour has it bug 7143 is ready for an easy signoff 20:02 magnuse bug 7143 20:01 wnickc hmm...tried ot test 7143 and all changes are shwoing except for the timeline 20:01 magnuse i did read the one from o'reilly too, but i found that too focused on te internals of git, which are *really* confusing ;-) 20:00 * andreashm should probably order the book magnuse linked to 19:59 andreashm cait: oh. that would explain a lot. 19:59 andreashm wondering if it's connected to a git checkout -b master --track origin/master I did last week or so, and probably have messed with somehow since. 19:58 cait it lookslike you created a local branch with that name 19:58 cait try git branch -D origin/master 19:58 cait iiineresting 19:58 andreashm cait: yup 19:57 andreashm magnuse: thanks. 19:57 cait if you do git branch - is there an origin/master showing up? 19:57 magnuse andreashm: i felt bit more clever after reading this book: https://pragprog.com/book/tsgit/pragmatic-version-control-using-git 19:57 cait hm 19:57 andreashm I still get a warning: refname 'origin/master' is ambiguous though. don't know where that comes from either 19:56 andreashm thanks. 19:56 cait and it will reset 19:56 cait you can do a git reset --hard origin/master (while on your master branch) 19:55 andreashm mmm, quite possibly. probably, even 19:55 cait origin = koha repository in that case 19:55 cait you probably applied patches to the master branch locally - that could be a reason 19:55 cait and origin/master is the master branch on the koha git repository 19:54 cait i think master is your local branch 19:54 cait ah 19:54 cait don't worry 19:54 cait you are doing great 19:54 andreashm cait: I hope your right. =) 19:54 andreashm Also don't get why master and remote/origin/master have diverged and have different number of commits. 19:53 andreashm I don't get the difference between master and origin/master. (Trying to read up on it) 19:52 cait andreashm: don't worry, it gets easier 19:48 * andreashm is grumpy about not getting how git works and messing things up all the time. 19:48 andreashm git, forever cursed be thy name! 19:45 cait wnickc: i think there is a patch with changes to the about page - that would be a good starting point maybe 19:44 cait sounds like the perfect plan :) 19:43 wnickc cait: will do, that question was open to anyone too! for now just picking what I like and can do 19:43 andreashm hey cait! 19:42 cait hi andreashm :) 19:42 cait i lost overview - just use your good judgement :) 19:42 cait wnickc: thx for asking - sorry, getting distacted 19:41 andreashm hi all 19:33 wnickc playing and testing what I can today, any particular bugs you want to see signed off before sprint? 19:32 cait hi wnickc :) 19:32 wnickc hi cait 19:29 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 15.8°C (9:29 PM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 19:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:41 cait but might change, you never know with koha :) 18:41 cait koa doesn't care much about times yet - more thining in days 18:41 cait ah 18:39 SCM Awesome, thank you. I'm from the University of New Hampshire. I'm testing out Koha to see if it can be used to check-out video equipment and reserve time at workstations. 18:38 cait where are you from SCM? 18:38 cait https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Date 18:37 cait i think javascript can give you the time, so there is a way 18:37 cait hm i'd dthink that could work 18:36 SCM That's one option. Is there any way to have jquery grab the current date and time? If a checkout happens during a window of time that presents a problem, it could show the appropriate alert. 18:34 cait maybe you could alert if a checkout happens witht he wrong due date 18:34 cait hm the problem might be to trigger the change... because until you can the item it doesn't know it shoudl show a message 18:33 cait jquery is pretty handy to do a lot of things - in many less lines than pure javascript 18:33 cait yep, it has examples 18:32 SCM Interesting. It looks like this page has more information: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 18:28 cait we usually use that for all kind of tricks 18:27 cait maybe you could do something with javascript - opacuserjs is a system preference that works with javascript jquery... 18:27 cait SCM: there are alerts.... but you can't limit them to days 18:23 SCM OK, thanks for the response. I'm trying to think of a workaround for this issue. Is there a way to create a check-out alert that only appears on certain days? I could create an alert that only appears on Fridays that says "Staff: manually change the time due to an hour we are open." 18:21 cait only opening days 18:20 cait SCM: sorry, currently there is no way to define opening times 17:50 SCM Hello. I'm wondering if there's any way to define the operating hours for my library. We're open on different times during different days. Without defining custom hours, patrons could run into problems with due dates. For example, they may check something out on Friday at 10 am. The item is due back in 24 hours. However, on Saturday we don't open until 12pm, so the item would be late. 17:43 thd cait: Yes, YAML would work and be appropriate for part of the use case if specified in system preferences currently. 17:42 cait i am not sure the database is the way to go there 17:42 cait we translate yaml for the prefs for example 17:42 cait they won't change much - it's more a static list 17:41 cait thd: hm or a yaml file 17:41 thd cait: Maybe a language specific installer is the only means which we have at the moment. 17:38 thd cait: Yes, like itemtype descriptions. 17:38 thd cait: I want to create a table or something with country names and coded values and have the country names subject to translation. 17:37 cait like item type descriptions or similar 17:37 cait database stuff usually is 'one language only' - and can be translated from the gui 17:37 cait i am not sure what you want to do 17:36 thd cait: After dinner, will you suggest a workaround for me? 17:36 cait not automatically - we do have language specific installers 17:36 cait well 17:36 cait we don#t translate thing sin the database 17:36 cait no 17:36 thd cait: For example, would we have a way to translate default values in the branches table or anything similar? 17:34 thd cait: What about value lists? 17:34 cait thd: pretty much everyting is translated - no bigger things missing 17:33 cait but everything in the templates... also the cataloguing plugin xml files are translated 17:33 cait we don't translate .js files 17:33 cait not really - i am cooking dinner 17:32 thd cait: Are you back? 17:32 thd Who knows what is currently not subject to translation for Koha? 17:07 mtompset It seems reasonable to me, but what do I know? I'm not a library type. :) 17:07 thd cait: Are you still here? 17:06 thd mtompset: That is a requirement for some libraries in Taiwan. 17:05 mtompset thd: That would be a cool idea (co-existence of differing MARC types. 17:05 mtompset Still don't like the syspref way thought. 17:05 * thd also tries to think of devious ways to push Koha along to be MARC agnostic enough to allow UNIMARC and MARC 21 to coexist in the same Koha database. 17:05 * mtompset shrugs. 17:03 thd mtompset: There is a validity check for system preferences. 17:01 thd mtompset: We can display scary messages if they ignore setup settings :) 17:00 thd mtompset: If I had to use the user interface to create MARC frameworks, Koha frameworks might still be as incomplete as they were in 2005 and everyone with full records would be losing data when some subfield was missing. 16:59 mtompset Because people work around the problems, and forget to fix them. :) 16:58 mtompset The problem is sections which are used only for setup, tend to get ignored. 16:58 mtompset thd: That's not completely true. :P 16:58 thd I found the Koha user interface to be too buggy for real use. Directly inserting SQL is the only safe interface for frameworks. 16:57 mtompset They seem "broken but somehow work" to me. 16:57 mtompset thd: Neither do I. 16:57 thd mtompset: There are user forms to create and edit Koha MARC frameworks but I do not trust those forms. 16:56 mtompset thd: You can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes. :) 16:56 mtompset Or is it auto-magically detected? 16:56 thd mtomset: That is also something I am trying to avoid :) 16:56 mtompset Is there a screen to actually add a value_builder? 16:55 mtompset Sounds like you'd want a whole new set of screens then. 16:54 thd mtompset: I would like something which is more generic and thus not tied to frameworks except that a value_builder specified by the frameworks would use the value. 16:54 mtompset Default (leave blank for none): 16:53 mtompset Because this could affect more than just a single value. 16:52 mtompset so the underlying can be different that the visible. 16:52 mtompset When they add/edit the framework. 16:52 thd mtompset: I mean to ask making an arbitrary table with some preferences for some good purpose is easy but what mechanism should be used for the user to set the preference other than system preference? 16:51 mtompset (as the framework table) 16:51 mtompset Though, if that is offensive to one's goal of normalization purity, you could create a default table keyed on the same things. 16:51 mtompset Not specifically, though the suggestion of adding a column, which would be mostly blank does seem easiest. 16:49 thd mtompset: Do you have any specific suggestion for how a table for MARC framework like preferences to be added in more generic manner than could be done by merely extending the framework other than as a system preference? 16:48 mtompset I've begun focusing on inventory related things. :) 16:47 mtompset anyone want a quick signoff, if you have your staff client plackified? :) 16:46 huginn` mtompset: magnuse was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <magnuse> bug 10181 16:46 mtompset @seen magnuse 16:44 cait bye all 16:43 * cait pushes tcohen out of channel 16:43 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_1.2015-04-15-15.06.log.html 16:43 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_1.2015-04-15-15.06.txt 16:43 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_1.2015-04-15-15.06.html 16:43 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 16:43:33 2015 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 16:43 cait #endmeeting 16:43 thd some should endmeeting. 16:43 cait #info next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29 16:43 tcohen thanks everyone for attending! 16:43 thd :) 16:43 tcohen thanks 16:43 cait go :) 16:43 cait makese sense to me 16:43 tcohen i'm leaviiiiing pleaseeeeeeeee 16:43 tcohen ok? 16:42 tcohen to check the remaining stuff for the release 16:42 tcohen maybe wednesday too, same hours 16:42 tcohen thd, the week after the freeze 16:42 thd tcohen: Do we have a next meeting date for after today? 16:42 tcohen yup 16:42 cait 22 utc 16:42 cait tonight 16:42 cait poor tcohen 16:42 thd tcohen: Do we have a next meeting date? 16:42 cait should we info something? 16:42 tcohen a physical one requires me to leave, and I already missed lunch 16:41 tcohen ok, I need to end the meeting 16:41 khall the new object system gives us a chance to start making that move without radical searching and replacing 16:41 cait i'd say new code should follow it 16:41 tcohen khall: you type faster than me 16:41 cait we have members, borrowers, patrons... only consistent palce currently is the gui 16:41 * mtompset agreed. 16:40 tcohen i'd like to make our internal terminology match the one we use externaly 16:40 khall I'd like to see our internal terminology match our external terminology 16:40 * mtompset notes that 'In Discussion' are beginning to be close to, if not exceed 'Needs Sign Off'. 16:40 tcohen :-D 16:40 tcohen really? holds and borrowers 16:40 cait woudl be good to have a general guideline - going by the code or going by the gui 16:39 cait holds/reserves patrons/borrowers 16:39 cait i think we didn't agree on the terms 16:39 tcohen ok 16:39 Joubu tcohen: all patches need signoffs :) 16:39 tcohen that's ok for now 16:39 khall I don't know, depends on if more requests are more motivating ; ) 16:38 cait ok, so maybe that's ok for now? 16:38 khall I've already emailed Julian to ask if he can followup on robin's comments 16:38 wahanui well, ah is that what goes after the last 16:38 cait ah what? 16:37 tcohen #actions cait will write Julian to ask him for a quick update to koha-devel about the status of the REST API implementation 16:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API 16:37 Joubu bug 13799 16:37 cait too late by now i think 16:37 Joubu no 16:36 Joubu jajm_: ? 16:36 tcohen is anyone doing the REST API implementation present? 16:35 tcohen marcelr++ 16:35 tcohen and 16:35 tcohen thanks again, khall 16:34 khall np! 16:34 tcohen khall++ 16:34 cait thx khall :) 16:34 khall cait: I can take that one on then 16:34 cait and they will take time 16:34 cait my next big thing I need to work on for next week is the tax related patches 16:34 cait that one is on me i think... i said i would, but time has been running away 16:33 tcohen i see the value of the bug 16:33 tcohen Joubu: would you encourage another QA member to take a look? 16:32 tcohen (i.e. signed by two QA team members) 16:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10480 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improvements for framework plugins in cataloguing/item editor 16:32 tcohen i0d like to raise bug 10480, which is basically passed-qa 16:32 thd cait: Yes, I know that they are honoured more in the breach than the observance. 16:31 tcohen "Remaining new features" 16:31 tcohen moving on 16:31 tcohen fixes 16:31 cait thd: we often export a COMPLETE marc record, including things like internal notes 16:31 tcohen thd: it is but needs some fices 16:31 cait thd: the arcane values are nice checkboxes now - bu tit's not taken into account in a lot of places 16:30 thd Field subfield visibility is actually something which had been controlled at one time by arcane values set in the Koha MARC frameworks even for the OPAC. 16:30 Joubu tcohen: please stop to argue about patches that add fields to xslts 16:30 cait remaining new features? 16:30 mtompset Third time's a charm! :) 16:30 cait :P 16:30 cait #actions tcohen not to argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs 16:29 tcohen #action the RM won't argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs 16:29 tcohen #actions the RM won't argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs 16:29 tcohen mtompset: almost, my XSLT approach, but basically yes 16:28 mtompset Is that what you are thinking, tcohen? 16:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility 16:28 mtompset Oops... bug 11592 16:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10589 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Override OpacHiddenItems based on Patron Category 16:28 mtompset bug 10589? 16:28 tcohen d*mn 16:28 cait also that yes 16:27 cait we can easily help everyone who wants to to hide something... much harder to help adding something 16:27 * tcohen just realised... this discussion is void... if we make field/subfield visibility work... damn 16:27 mtompset Ah. 16:27 tcohen deprecated since 2013 I think 16:26 cait in forever. 16:26 cait mtompset: the normal view hasn't been maintained 16:26 cait hm i can see your point... but it woud be really easy to hide htings from the xslt if a library felt that way 16:26 mtompset -- Shouldn't both views aim to be identical? 16:26 tcohen but I heard several times that people prefered the non-XSLT view because it was "not as bloated as the XSLT view" 16:25 tcohen probably a positive one 16:25 tcohen so this changes would be a behaviour change for them 16:25 tcohen for regular use 16:25 tcohen i want to say that i'm concerned about people relying on the shipped XSLTs 16:24 tcohen to cope with RDA and whatever metadata is missing on the XSLT's 16:24 tcohen there have been several bugs filled proposing the addition of new fields to XSLT's 16:23 tcohen thd: related to that on "remaining new features" i will mention an interesting bug 16:23 tcohen ok, we need to move on 16:23 thd mtompset: Yes, we should see if we could find a better place for expressing what is needed. 16:22 tcohen i'll keep an eye on it 16:22 tcohen thd: thanks 16:22 mtompset And if you are worried about blank columns, split off a table? 16:21 thd I can work on changing the fix to do something more global where the plugin would also need changing to give a warning if not set. 16:21 mtompset But the advantage of a column is the whole Koha::Object thing we've started. 16:20 mtompset True, thd. 16:20 thd System preferences may not be the ideal location but the Koha MARC frameworks model is too inflexible for some important tasks of which the present case is not really an example. 16:20 cait so we fqa is right and it needs a follow up 16:20 tcohen thd: just renaming the syspref and making sure a good default behaviour? 16:20 cait as qa point of view 16:20 cait thd: i think it can't go in changig existing behaviour if the pref is not set 16:20 tajoli Sorry, I need to leave. I will write about metasearch on koha-devel 16:19 mtompset Yuck, system preference?! 16:19 thd I am able to follow up on the bug. Even the full featured version would not be difficult but merely take some time. 16:18 thd I actually think that we should be moving the generic form of things out of the existing Koha MARC frameworks and use a form which will work with BIBFRAME or whatever. 16:18 tcohen (implementing the changes you propose?) 16:17 tcohen thd: are you able to provide a followup for the bug? 16:16 tcohen e 16:16 tcohen thd: tru 16:16 thd There are many problems which the frameworks could be extended to address. Maintenance of the default frameworks is the difficulty. 16:16 tcohen once i have a proper solution (not just ideas) that convinces me, i'll come back to this 16:16 cait i hope not! 16:16 tcohen cait: i give up 16:15 cait shoudl we move on? 16:15 * mtompset thinks he better scroll back to get fully context. 16:15 cait but it hink i would not blow this up to be too huge - and also not sure it need to be by framework, might be ok globally 16:15 cait the only problem might be if the plugin correctly detects it always 16:14 tcohen i'll think of cait's idea of using the default value, maybe it is worth making a better value builder for the framework editing tool 16:14 thd tcohen: Adding a column with such specificity to the framework would essentially have an almost entirely empty column. You should think of a more generic approach which uses the frameworks. 16:13 * tcohen loves having idiomatic aid 16:13 mtompset ^for^with^? Anyways... 16:12 mtompset -- displaying empathy for. ;) 16:12 thd tcohen: That was also my current suggestion with no sympathy to librarians ;) 16:12 cait i am not sure this small feature is worth too much work right now 16:11 tcohen empathic? 16:11 tcohen i'm being empathetic with librarians 16:11 cait yeah 16:11 tcohen cait: you mean adding the full fixed lenght string? 16:11 cait tcohen: to some extend it works for controlfields as well 16:11 tcohen i would rather add country_of_production to `biblio_framework` 16:10 thd tcohen: Yes. 16:10 tcohen thd, that works for subfields 16:10 thd tcohen: There is already a defaultvalue column. 16:10 thd tcohen: If so, then no new column is required. 16:09 thd tcohen: Would you have any and all values in the fixed field specified in the default field? 16:09 tcohen is the introduced technical debt something to worry about? 16:09 tcohen anyway 16:08 tcohen don't need to, the the specific plugin hould know 16:07 thd tcohen: How would the new column for the frameworks specify the range to which part of a fixed field it applies? 16:07 tcohen extra work, I know 16:06 tcohen and adjust the marc_21_008.pl plugin 16:06 tcohen thd: just a new field for the frameworks 16:06 thd tcohen: That would require work to modify the Koha MARC frameworks design to support fixed fields better. 16:06 tcohen but most of the bibliography is originally written in english 16:05 tcohen that are written in spanish 16:05 tcohen the use case that raised my concern is thesis here 16:05 tcohen so it would be easier to link to an authorised value list too 16:05 tcohen I would set the country_of_production (and for example original_language) framework-wise 16:04 tcohen thd: I agree with your comments, just a little difference 16:04 tajoli Yes on 'empty value set nothing' 16:04 thd Explaining, if the user has not set the system preference, the default should also not be set and a warning should be triggered. 16:02 gaetan_B bye 16:02 thd I think that the MARC 21 bias is less serious but should still have some more neutral presentation. 16:02 tajoli so doesn't' do anything 16:02 tajoli but in unimarc 008 ins not present 16:02 tajoli baecause now i use a setup on marc frameworks 16:01 thd While tcohen reads I will summarise that my main objection is that an empty value in a system preference should not set the country for an installation. 16:01 tajoli but if not, Ok on name 'DefaultCountryField008' 16:00 tajoli better a develop Marc-neutral 16:00 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 16:00 tajoli As user of unimarc: 15:59 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY 15:59 * tcohen goes to read 15:58 thd tcohen: You should note my comments to the bug added today. 15:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 15:58 tcohen next one is bug 13912 15:57 * tcohen knows Joubu is hopeless 15:57 Joubu will see later :) 15:57 tcohen i think so 15:57 cait move on? :) 15:56 tcohen wording issue 15:56 tcohen i was talking about the syspref description 15:56 Joubu ? 15:56 tcohen Joubu: i mean the syspref docs/description 15:56 tcohen Joubu: you wrote a regression test for the QA problem I recall? 15:56 Joubu tcohen: not sure you have to highligh it in the doc, the limitation is in the syspref description 15:55 tcohen and it doesn't fail like this, so it is specific to Koha's driver 15:55 tcohen because they've been using it for years now 15:55 tcohen and will definitely talk to gmcharlt_ about Evergreen's use of QueryParser 15:54 tcohen I'm in favour of pushing the feature with a docuentation followup 15:54 tcohen i mean, i don't think it blocks your feature 15:54 Joubu I tried, I failed. Good luck 15:53 Joubu 'just' :) 15:53 tcohen i think we just need to fix it 15:53 Joubu I won't answer, I am the author of the patch :) 15:53 ColinC I think there are a number of sysprefs that dont work if QP enabled already 15:53 tcohen Joubu: you only found a bug on QueryParser's PQF driver 15:52 Joubu Should we accept ft even if does not work with QP? 15:52 cait ifit should block bug 13528 that it doesn't support queryparser 15:52 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Ability to search on the different isbn variations 15:52 tcohen #action tcohen will go ahead with the inclusion of bug 13528, along with a followup stating that it won¡t work with UseQueryParser=on 15:52 Joubu Should we remove it? 15:52 Joubu What was the question? :) 15:51 cait um.someone else? 15:49 cait and fixig it... also a bit short on time now 15:49 cait the queryparser code 15:49 cait we need to talk more about this after 3.20 15:49 cait i think ripping the code out now woudl not be good 15:48 Joubu Who would be able to fix it? 15:48 cait i think i'd be ok with pushing your patch if the problem is documented in the pref description and we also have a bug on bugzilla... so we know where the problems are 15:47 cait and do we have a bug report for it? 15:47 cait Joubu: woudl it be hard to extend your feature when the operators bug got fixed? 15:47 tcohen Joubu: exactly 15:47 cait it doesn't work in all places it could be used 15:46 thd I imagine that having some possible query parser would be a very good thing but perhaps not the present code. 15:46 cait also, the swtich was not completed i think 15:46 tcohen the problem is we have several problems that prevent it from fully replacing the ad-hoc code that "just works" 15:46 cait tcohen: but the problem with operators is a pretty big blocker ot use it :( 15:46 Joubu (for ES) 15:46 tcohen ColinC: it should "simplify" code actually. Changing ad-hoc code for YAML configuration on how to interpret/translate operators 15:46 Joubu would be good to know if Robin planned to use it 15:45 ColinC It does further complicate some already complicated code which is a pain for code maintenance 15:45 tcohen jcamins: available? 15:45 tcohen gmcharlt_: available? 15:44 cait and queryparser is off by default 15:44 ColinC I'm not seeing any benefits from QueryParser being in the release at present 15:44 cait thd: we are not usign it in any of our installations currently - it's optional 15:44 thd What are the consequences of disabling QueryParser aside from allowing the patch for ISBN searches to work? 15:44 Joubu bc = 'foo' AND bc = 'bar' will never work 15:44 cait but the pref shoudl be clear that there is a catch 15:43 cait and this seems like a really good enhancement that we coudl extend later to queryparser maybe 15:43 Joubu so when you want to check for barcode : bc = $bc1 OR bc = $bc2 OR bc = $bc3, it causes some problems... 15:43 Joubu something like that 15:43 Joubu a OR b OR c results in a AND b AND c 15:43 cait I feel like it shouldn't stop this for now 15:42 Joubu because QueryParser is broken with several operators 15:42 cait hm that might be the one i remembe rmaybe 15:42 Joubu cait: don't remember exactly, I sent an email on koha-devel 15:41 cait I remember an email about a problem with mulitple arguments... is that related? 15:40 cait Joubu: can you explain why it won't work with QueryParser? 15:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Ability to search on the different isbn variations 15:40 tcohen bug bug 13528 15:40 tcohen and we have a situation where a feature targets non-QueryParser setups 15:39 tcohen but an orphan one 15:39 tcohen it is an awesome idea 15:39 tcohen what will we do with the QueryParser ? 15:39 tcohen moving on 15:38 tcohen #info if part 2 concludes the opposite, a vote will be held ASAP 15:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Passed QA , sitemap.pl -- Generate a Catalog sitemap 15:38 cait #action tcohen to approach fredericd about Moose dependency for bug 11190 15:38 tcohen #info people didn't like to include Moose as dependency, even for a cli script. tcohen will approach fredericd to see if we can make the changes needed for it to make it into 3.20 15:37 tcohen ok, moving on for now 15:36 tcohen i'll talk to fredericd about it, maybe it is an easy change 15:36 tcohen it is just if it needs to be listed as a dependency or not 15:36 tcohen speed or anythin 15:36 cait not sure if that woudl work 15:36 cait i think if Moo isn't used yet.. we shoudl have some Class::Accessor in the codebase 15:36 tcohen the question is: it doesn't have any impact on how Koha responds 15:35 cait it seems too heavy for 1 script if we don't intend to use it in general 15:35 cait +1 agreeing with Joubu 15:35 tcohen (and its related packages) 15:35 tcohen i'll try using Moo, probably enough for the simple sitemap.pl script 15:34 Joubu s/to/not 15:34 Joubu to very interesting to add the deps for 1 script 15:34 Joubu Moose is quite heavy 15:34 tcohen ok, I'll try on part 2 15:33 tcohen anyone? opinions besides the comment that we historically rejected Moose? 15:32 cait ok 15:32 tcohen cait: C4::Installer::PerlDependencies 15:31 tcohen that's not used I think 15:31 tcohen it isn't 15:31 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=install_misc/debian.packages;hb=2e1d64d056a63c0eac412c2cbb7b72da5bd4a08c - is libmoose already there? 15:31 cait hm 15:30 cait i am not entirely sure, it might be 15:29 tcohen cait: is Moo a dependency already? 15:29 tcohen that needs to be cron-ed 15:29 cait i think benchmarks indicatd that we shoudl favor moo over moose - or that was the compromise 15:29 tcohen it is an optional script 15:28 cait is it an optional feature? could the dependency be optional? 15:28 tcohen true 15:28 cait hm in the past we had decided against that 15:28 tcohen the only concern is that it introduces Moose dependencies 15:28 tcohen it is a really interesting one, and i'd like it to make it for 3.20 15:27 tcohen has anyone seen the tool introduced by bug 11190? 15:27 tajoli Ok 15:27 tcohen tajoli: use the "Big stuff youre working on section" 15:27 tajoli Ok after this topic 15:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Passed QA , sitemap.pl -- Generate a Catalog sitemap 15:26 tajoli I can say something about metasearch 15:26 tcohen Moose dependencies (Bug 11190) 15:26 wahanui somebody said first one was looking weird - it says 9 centerville, but there is also an item at liberty 15:26 tcohen first one 15:26 tcohen #topic Bugs 15:26 khall ok 15:26 tcohen i think we should move to the next topic, and discuss that there 15:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API 15:25 khall Not sure if this is the topic for it, but I would *really* like to see bug 13799 signed off. I've been planning to QA it. I'd love to see it in the next release 15:24 tcohen anyone willing to raise something on this subject? 15:24 tcohen #topic General technical discussion 15:24 fridolin francharb: (nope, we use reverse maps desc to code as a hack) 15:23 tcohen move on 15:23 tcohen francharb: it might be possible 15:23 francharb thanks cait ! Sorry, I just realised there was a meeting... 15:23 tcohen #info please let tcohen know if your feature needs attention to make it move, or have his opinion on the odds of it making into 3.20 15:23 cait francharb: currently not i think 15:22 francharb Is it possible, with xslt, to display the authorised value's description but build a search link on the authorised value's code? 15:22 tcohen concerns? 15:22 huginn` Current chairs: cait tcohen 15:22 cait #chair tcohen 15:22 cait could you have said that a bit earlier? 15:22 cait oh my 15:21 tcohen =D 15:21 tcohen #info CORRECTION 2: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 23nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in 15:21 cait sorry! 15:21 cait #info CORRECTION: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 22nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in 15:21 cait i just can't type 15:20 cait arg. 15:20 tcohen so you want one more week? :-D 15:20 francharb Good morning all 15:20 cait #info Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 30, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in 15:19 tcohen =D 15:19 tcohen i'll take a screenshot at that time 15:19 tcohen around 9:10 thursday :-D 15:19 tcohen i come to the office at 9am ART 15:18 * cait kows the devs 15:18 cait just to be precise.. the wednesday still counts? your timezone? or tuesday midnight your timezoneß ;) 15:18 tcohen you had fun filling my queue, you had enough time .-D 15:18 cait soon now :) 15:17 tcohen so we can release a beta during the weekend or so 15:17 tcohen next week: wednesday :-D 15:17 tcohen but we can talk about them 15:17 tcohen i have some concerns about some stuff on my queue (next topic) 15:17 cait friday next or monday next week? 15:16 tcohen and I'd say stuff that isn't passed-qa next week should be left for 3.22 15:16 tcohen we need to set a cut day for enahncements 15:16 tcohen koha++ 15:16 tcohen so 15:15 tcohen 3.20 is looking good so far, stable, issues have been fixed really quick once we noticed 15:15 cait tcohen++ 15:15 tcohen so, I'm in the process of testing/pushing enhancements and new features 15:15 khall good plan of attack 15:14 tcohen so they hit the stable branches ASAP 15:14 tcohen i tried to focus on bugfixes once i got back 15:14 tcohen there's been a lag on pushing enhancements and new features 15:14 tcohen and will try to use most of my office time for RM tasks until release 15:13 tcohen i've been troubled and i'm sorry for not being around too much, i'm almost back 15:13 tcohen hi everyone 15:11 cait #topic RM 3.20 comments 15:11 cait i got 2... we will give you 2 too :) 15:11 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba 15:11 tcohen give me 2 minutes 15:11 cait can you info please? :) 15:11 tcohen sorry, really busy day 15:11 cait oh goood! 15:10 tcohen hi 15:10 cait hm pinged tcohen - no response 15:09 ablj #info Jacek Ablewicz, Cracow Univ. of Technology 15:09 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France 15:08 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 15:07 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 15:07 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:07 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 15:07 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA Italy 15:07 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe 15:07 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre 15:06 cait please introduce yourself with #info 15:06 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 15:06 cait #topic Introductions 15:06 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_1' 15:06 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:06 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 15 15:06:37 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:06 cait #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1 15:06 cait Joubu: lol 15:05 cait one moment, need to pull up the agenda 15:05 Joubu (unless the overdue flag is set) 15:05 cait hm, i think we shuld start then 15:05 Joubu cait: correct, it's now :) 15:05 tajoli Hi, Zeno Tajoli, CINECA Italy 15:05 thd tcohen exactly. 15:04 cait and... tcohen? 15:04 cait or do i have my timezones wrrong again? 15:04 cait ok, is the meeting time now? 15:03 thd cait: which 2 minutes would you like? 15:01 cait can i get 2 mins? 15:01 cait hm meeting time now? 15:01 thd s/defauting/defaulting/ 15:00 thd cait: Yes, my objection is mostly about empty defauting to US. 15:00 thd cait: I am trying to ask the appropriate manner in which I would include my signal about QA without changing the global status. 14:59 cait should default to empty i guess? 14:59 cait the default to US seems valid - haven't read further yet 14:58 thd cait: Only because I changed the status when I submitted my comment. 14:58 cait ah i see, you left the comment 14:58 cait not passed 14:58 cait hm this one is failed qa actually 14:58 cait sorry, i dont't understand 14:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 14:57 thd bug 13912 which is on the agenda for today's development meeting. 14:57 thd cait: QA status toggle is next to the comment submission form. 14:57 cait thd: which bug are you talking about? 14:56 cait leaving a comment with your argumentation 14:54 thd cait: What is the proper way in which I can indicate disapproval for a QA pass? 14:52 thd tcohen: are you present? 14:32 Joubu ok :) 14:32 cait ... and thx a lot :) 14:31 cait lastreneweddate: NULL 14:31 cait issuedate: '2015-04-15 16:16:14' 14:30 cait yep of course sec 14:30 cait overdue: the due_date and time are before... now. 14:30 Joubu cait: could you just check the lastreneweddate value please? 14:30 cait and also the lastrenewddate seems so weird 14:30 Joubu hum... I will write some tests 14:30 cait i am confused by it looking at the issuedate instead of the due_date 14:30 Joubu it has been renew today 14:29 Joubu ok I know 14:29 barton Joubu: yeah, that's completely broken -- even if it does the right thing some times. 14:29 cait or... maybe it does, but it cuts of the time? 14:28 Joubu don't try to understand last 5 sentences :) 14:28 cait but... tht makes no sense 14:28 Joubu so issuedate is checked 14:28 Joubu 2443 if ((substr $it->{'issuedate'}, 0, 10) eq $now || (substr $it->{'lastreneweddate'}, 0, 10) eq $now) { 14:28 Joubu and it is considered as non overdue if 14:28 Joubu and it is set only if it is not considered as non overdue 14:27 Joubu in IssueSplip, an issue is considered as overdue if $overdue is set 14:26 cait it still makes no sense? :) 14:26 Joubu no but :) 14:25 cait hm but is issuedate the one we want? 14:25 Joubu s/quite/completely 14:25 Joubu this is quite stupid 14:25 Joubu 1202 $_->{issuedate} = dt_from_string($_->{issuedate}, 'sql'); 14:25 Joubu I noticed that this morning 14:25 Joubu funny, it comes from getpendingissues, the issuedate is erased 14:24 cait looking fine to me 14:24 cait Joubu: issues.date_due is: '2015-05-15 23:59:00' 14:22 cait checking the db now 14:22 cait ok, still there, and it happens when i print the slip as well 14:21 cait test environment for the library - they are testing all the things today 14:21 cait i hope it's sitll there 14:21 cait give me a second :) 14:21 Joubu Could you confirm date_due="2015-04-15 23:59:00" in DB? 14:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, REOPENED , Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken 14:18 cait Joubu: screenshot uploaded to bug 12847 14:16 cait maybe only happens at a specific time on wednedays? 14:12 cait barton: yes, same versin, different results :( 14:12 cait i will check for personsal data - give me a moment to anonymize, then ic an upload 14:11 Joubu cait: could you get the screenshot? 14:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, REOPENED , Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken 14:11 barton cait: were you referring to Bug 12847 when you said that it was varying by installation? 14:10 huginn` barton: wnickc was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <wnickc> some sanity is better than none ;-) 14:10 barton @seen wnickc 14:07 barton [I have to be careful saying that in #bywater ;-) ] 14:06 barton happy happy joy joy. 14:06 cait same version 14:06 cait huh. it's happening in one installation but not the other... oh joy 14:06 huginn` barton: I have not seen nickc. 14:06 barton @seen nickc 14:04 barton ah... 14:03 cait we want to find and backport 14:03 cait if it got fixed 14:03 cait barton: that is the super latest stable release 14:03 barton cait: I'm pretty sure that got fixed master, somewhere along the way. 14:03 cait maybe we can find the 'thing' to make it happen all the time 14:03 cait trying to add some info to the bug report 14:02 barton ahyes, the date comparisons. 14:02 khall yeah, I need to get that fixed up! 14:02 cait remembered it wrong - but glad Joubu found it 14:01 barton cait: I think 12933 is all khall. 14:00 cait writing note on the bug report, then will try again 14:00 Joubu Do you have steps to get the issue? 13:59 cait i have a screenshot proof - it#s happening 13:59 cait oh that could be the one i was thiking about 13:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8813 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, issue slip lists items as overdue that are not overdue 13:59 cait sth like bug 8813 13:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken 13:58 Joubu bug 12847 13:58 cait i think it was one bywater reported, barton? 13:58 cait hm not quite 13:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12933 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to print overdue slip from staff intranet 13:58 Joubu bug 12933? 13:58 cait the lbirarian is testing all the notices 13:57 cait that's the first thing they ran into, now another 13:57 Joubu which one? 13482? 13:57 cait ... now i can't find the bug 13:56 cait Joubu: i think the library also manage dto find the bug we could not reproduce - items due today listed as overdue on the slip print 13:55 cait i thought you were working now on the 14xxx :) 13:55 cait that's what you meant :) 13:55 cait oh 13:55 Joubu so I checked 13999, it exists, not 14000 :) 13:54 Joubu I have opened 13998 this morning 13:54 cait Joubu: how did you genearte the list? 13:54 cait they just ran into 13482 13:54 Joubu don't want to open it :) 13:53 Joubu next bug is 14k... 13:53 * cait has a library that is finding one bug after the other right nwo :( 13:51 * cait sends Joubu cookies 11:58 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:58 Joubu @later tell tcohen have a look at bug 13189 comment 14 please 10:22 mveron Oh, I have a meeting... 09:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10181 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improve message shown for deleted records in basket summary page 09:43 magnuse bug 10181 09:37 cait hi drojf 09:36 drojf hi #koha 09:36 cait bug even 09:36 cait bub 10181 09:36 cait Joubu++ 09:29 magnuse wow 09:29 magnuse i am number 102 09:29 magnuse just 23 more and we reach 300 09:23 cait good number :) 09:23 cait hi rangi 09:20 rangi 277 devs now 09:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 09:20 rangi new patch for bug 7143 09:06 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 09:06 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:06 cait mveron wins :) 08:52 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 14.7°C (10:52 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 08:52 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:52 mveron magnuse: but you have already longer days than we have, I think... 08:50 magnuse wow, nice weather in switzerland! 08:50 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady). 08:50 magnuse @wunder boo 08:47 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 5.0°C (11:20 AM EEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 08:47 mveron @wunder Helsinki 08:47 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 18.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 08:47 mveron @wunder Allschwil 08:28 mveron :-) 08:20 magnuse in science they call that salami publishing ;-) 08:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P3, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system 08:16 * mveron should have done Bug 13813 by separate bug numbers to boost Joubou's singn-off score on the dashboard :-) 07:53 * magnuse too 07:52 cait yeah ... the last 20 *shudders* 07:52 * mveron will be back in a minute or two, suport call.. 07:51 mveron ...and the last 20% as well... 07:50 Joubu (no really actually...) 07:50 Joubu mveron: the first one is always the hardest 07:50 mveron It is only a first step, though, there will be more to be done... 07:49 mveron Joubu: Super! 07:49 cait mveron++ Joubu++ indeed :) 07:47 magnuse mveron++ Joubu++ 07:46 Joubu mveron: I am on it, ready to SO, I gonna submit the followup for the 2 issues I found 07:46 Joubu mveron: Hi! Good job to kill C4::Dates :) 07:32 mveron Good morning / daytime everybody 07:26 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 07:26 gaetan_B hello 07:21 Joubu morning #koha 07:17 fridolin bonjour tout le monde 06:45 reiveune re 06:37 wahanui hi, alex_a 06:37 alex_a bonjour 06:35 reiveune hello 04:53 eythian magnuse: I think you'll find that the Swiss like to claim that it looks like Switzerland, too. 04:49 magnuse bbiab 04:44 magnuse deleted them, and now i have itemnumbers jumping from 7813 to 12318, and from 49103 to 3298750 04:40 magnuse well that was weird - a record with more than 1 million items 04:38 magnuse i want to go back to the birds on kapiti too 04:36 wizzyrea it's nice there 04:35 magnuse because some of it looks like norway ;-) 04:34 * magnuse will have to visit the south island some time 04:34 magnuse sounds nice 04:34 wizzyrea definitely autumnal. 04:32 wizzyrea it's sunny so 04:32 * wizzyrea considers 13 reasonable weather 04:32 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 04:32 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 04:30 wizzyrea up in the hills it might get quite cold 04:29 magnuse but i am not sure what area they were talking about 04:29 magnuse i *think* they lived somewhere around levin 04:29 wizzyrea they'd freeze to death at 5c. 04:29 wizzyrea were the people from auckland :P 04:29 magnuse i remember a video showing snow in wellington 04:29 eythian kapiti is usually warmer. 04:28 magnuse when i was on kapiti some people were talking about people freezing to death i their houses because of out of the ordinary cole weather 04:28 wizzyrea yeah everything would shut down just so people could go play in it :P 04:28 eythian it's common enough that it doesn't cause crises, but rare enough that it causes the occasional closure. 04:28 wizzyrea now, in *wellington...* 04:28 wizzyrea nah, not crises. 04:27 eythian down there it's OK. It probably won't have lasted more than a day or two anyway. 04:27 wizzyrea it's school holidays so probably no one closed schools 04:27 magnuse i remember nz houses as kind of... flimsy 04:27 magnuse are people prepared for that, or does it result in crises, and closed schools? 04:27 eythian desert road snowed out hahaha 04:26 wizzyrea it was cooooold though 04:26 eythian there was a satellite photo that I can't find 04:26 wizzyrea I didn't note how close to sea level the snow fell 04:26 eythian oh, more central actually, possibly into canterbury 04:25 wizzyrea well definitely there was snow on most of the southern alps. 04:25 eythian more than that I think 04:25 wizzyrea gosh, almost up into canterbury ya? 04:25 eythian the south island 04:24 magnuse (i guess if you go far enough there is always snow...) 04:24 magnuse how much further south? 04:23 magnuse hm 04:23 eythian no, it's earlier than normal 04:23 magnuse ? 04:23 magnuse eythian: is that normal 04:23 magnuse eythian: thanks, but we are trying to get rid of ours too 04:22 eythian magnuse: there's snow here if you want some (not right here, but further south) 04:22 magnuse hehe, novel? 04:22 wizzyrea and I thought of you, and all of the novel ways that you probably have to deal with snow 04:22 wizzyrea I just watched a mini documentary about snow country in Japan 04:21 magnuse march often has lots of snow 04:21 magnuse i don't remember, but yeah, it's not unusual, i think 04:21 wizzyrea do you usually get snow in April? 04:21 magnuse :-) 04:21 wizzyrea \o/ 04:20 magnuse no fresh snow today - woohoo! 04:20 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (5:50 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady). 04:20 magnuse @wunder boo 04:20 magnuse hiya wizzyrea 04:16 wizzyrea hi magnuse :D 04:15 wizzyrea kittyland love center? 04:13 * magnuse waves 04:07 * wizzyrea wonders what they consider high wind in santa barbara 03:35 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 5.6°C (8:35 PM PDT on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Rising). 03:35 bag @wunder 97215 03:35 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Goleta East, Santa Barbara, California is 19.2°C (8:35 PM PDT on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). High Wind Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 9 am PDT Wednesday... 03:35 bag @wunder 93111 03:26 bag hi eythian 03:21 eythian also, hi bag 03:21 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 03:21 eythian @wunder nzwn 03:17 huginn` bag: rangi was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <rangi> eythian: https://twitter.com/Garage_Project/status/587415742599028736 03:17 bag @seen rangi 03:01 wizzyrea nothing like the "ghostly howls of a drowned tuba player. " 03:01 wahanui well, the saddest thing is http://ur1.ca/9x67k 03:01 wizzyrea wahanui: what is the saddest thing? 02:30 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW 02:30 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing? 02:30 wahanui i guess the saddest thing is that we're winning the war on bees. 02:30 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing? 02:10 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 02:10 wizzyrea @later tell mtompset did you do work on hiding the item types of OPAC hidden items in the facets? 02:09 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 02:09 wizzyrea @later tell mtompsett did you do work on hiding the item types of OPAC hidden items in the facets? 01:26 wizzyrea tis indeed 01:26 eythian It's so quiet in here 00:08 wizzyrea hrm no mtompsett