Time  Nick          Message
00:16 dcook         Oh man... maple is so good
00:17 dcook         And pastries
00:17 dcook         Especially maple pastries
00:26 mtompset      What do you think about this? http://globalnews.ca/news/1929448/nutella-donuts-are-coming-to-tim-hortons-in-new-collaboration/
00:31 cdickinson    wow, that looks like the most glorious combination I've seen in a while
00:38 dcook         Sweeeet
01:10 wizzyrea      kohadevbox?
01:10 wahanui       i guess kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox
01:21 wizzyrea      francesca http://superuser.com/questions/666086/issues-installing-git-under-mac-os-x-10-9-mavericks
01:21 wizzyrea      francesca http://superuser.com/questions/666086/issues-installing-git-under-mac-os-x-10-9-mavericks
01:22 eythian       Francesca: don't be running OSX 10.9, it's quite unsafe.
01:22 Francesca     Haven't updated recently so probably don't have that version
01:29 eythian       it's an older version. It has significant security issues that apple won't fix because they hate you.
01:31 cdickinson    is Mavericks already out of support period?
01:38 eythian       dunno
01:41 Francesca     running yosemite
01:41 Francesca     not mavericks
01:47 wizzyrea      http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/04/09/update-your-mac-apple-fixes-major-flaw-in-os-x-yosemite-but-wont-patch-lion-mountain-lion-or-mavericks
01:48 Francesca     ok
01:48 Francesca     I need to update my mac
01:48 rangi         cdickinson: https://truesecdev.wordpress.com/
01:49 cdickinson    ah, cool
01:49 wizzyrea      wow osx is especially broken.
01:49 Francesca     I still think its better than windows
01:51 wizzyrea      I can't believe I'm saying this, but if I have to use a non-free OS, I think I'd rather it be windows :O
01:51 Francesca     wow
01:52 wizzyrea      at least in terms of security. There are other reasons not to use it.
01:52 * Francesca   dies of shock
01:52 * wizzyrea    is not surprised
01:53 wizzyrea      I used to be a die hard osx fan
01:53 wizzyrea      I used it when it was 10.0
01:53 * Francesca   dies of shock again
01:53 Francesca     I don't mind ether
01:53 Francesca     ubuntu is my fav
01:53 dcook         ubuntu and debian both seem pretty solid :)
01:53 wizzyrea      it got too helpful, and much like windows used to be, now it gets in my way of doing work when I just want to do work.
01:54 Francesca     its just I can't run any of my music software on ubuntu
01:54 Francesca     mac does?
01:54 wizzyrea      yeah that's fair enough
01:54 eythian       http://notalwaysworking.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/brid.jpg
01:54 Francesca     my friend has a windows laptop for school
01:54 dcook         hehe
01:54 eythian       wizzyrea: I used it at 10.0 too. It was possibly the worst thing ever
01:54 wizzyrea      :D
01:54 dcook         I kind of want to create a brand called "Brid" now
01:55 dcook         And have it been known... it is a deliberate misspelling
01:55 dcook         And maybe have it be something that English majors will need... but will hate to need
01:55 dcook         Hmm, it must be Friday. Need to beer the antagonism out of me.
01:55 eythian       dcook: one of the shares on my computer is "Video's", it makes some people quite upset.
01:55 dcook         hehe
01:55 eythian       Especially when I point out that it's actually correct.
01:56 dcook         O_o
01:56 dcook         Is this a Dutch thing?
01:56 dcook         This sounds familiar
01:56 eythian       http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=SpellingAndPronunciation.27
01:56 dcook         Yes! Memory ftw!
01:57 eythian       basically, if it ends in a vowel and you want to pluralise it, you add 's
01:57 eythian       *stressed vowel
01:57 dcook         So hotdog's would be wrong
01:57 dcook         But video's is ok?
01:57 eythian       yeah
01:57 eythian       hothonden
01:57 dcook         I need to go back to Amsterdam to remember what sign made me wonder about the use of the apostrophe in Dutch..
01:57 dcook         It was near some square
01:58 dcook         I mostly just remember young people getting high around us
01:58 eythian       so, near the station then, and they were brits? :)
01:58 dcook         It was very possibly near a station. I don't know their nationality, but they were fairly short
01:58 dcook         So maybe!
01:58 wahanui       i guess so maybe is the condition which is not working
01:59 * dcook       has way too many tabs open
01:59 dcook         Is wizzyrea the master of tabs?
01:59 dcook         This also sounds familiar...
01:59 eythian       Well, many tourists hardly seem to get past Amsterdam Centraal before getting weed from a coffee shop
01:59 dcook         heh
02:00 eythian       within the first three canals from the station is all tourists.
02:00 dcook         I mostly just went to Amsterdam because I was touring capitals in Europe
02:00 dcook         And it was close by
02:00 eythian       seems reasonable
02:01 dcook         My favourite memory was actually being trapped on the wrong side of a barrier with a bunch of German tourists
02:01 dcook         We'd all forgotten to tap on for the train, so we couldn't exit :p
02:01 Francesca     oh dear
02:02 dcook         It was a bit embarrassing... but fortunately the Germans were in high spirits and could communicate
02:02 eythian       I had that happen in London once, it didn't recognise my card to let me out.
02:02 pianohacker   dcook: forgot to log out
02:02 wizzyrea      http://cyberduck.ch/
02:02 * Francesca   waves at piano hacker
02:02 dcook         pianohacker: Happens to us all! I was going to ask how old you are, but then realized that you must be getting on in years due to all the time you've spent in uni!
02:02 dcook         eythian: My second time to London, I didn't realize you needed to use your card to get out...
02:03 dcook         And I couldn't understand the guard :p
02:03 eythian       heh
02:03 Francesca     lol
02:03 pianohacker   the aforementioned stress is real, and due to the fact that I have to get my thesis completed, edited and defended by May 11
02:03 dcook         He eventually said "You American?!"
02:03 pianohacker   *whine whine whine cheese*
02:03 dcook         Wow...
02:03 dcook         That's just not too far away at all
02:03 pianohacker   but good to see you all, including Fransesca. Time to log out, have a lovely day :)
02:03 * dcook       sends all the cheese pianohacker's way
02:03 pianohacker   dcook: exactly!
02:04 Francesca     dcook, american? I have a hard time believing that
02:04 pianohacker   bye
02:04 Francesca     see ya later piano hacker
02:04 eythian       he's pretty close
02:04 dcook         :O
02:04 eythian       formerly geographically speaking
02:04 dcook         Well, I guess I did have a mailing address in America for the first 10 years of my life too
02:05 dcook         My dad was a border guard, so we spent a lot of time on both sides
02:05 dcook         Francesca: I'm Canadian, but I think the transit guard thought all Americans were dim :p
02:05 dcook         My wounded pride didn't have the heart to correct him
02:05 Francesca     oh dear
02:05 Francesca     that happens to my stepfather all the time
02:05 dcook         Actually, I'm Canadian and almost Australia O_O
02:06 dcook         Australian*
02:06 dcook         Oh yeah... I recall you mentioning your stepfather. Where's he from again?
02:18 dcook         I am so grateful to the person who made "Visibility" much more user friendly in the frameworks..
02:19 Francesca     canada
02:20 Francesca     Don't know which part he grew up in though
02:20 dcook         Lots of different parts :D
02:21 dcook         The fun part of being Canadian is getting to pretend that you're offended when people ask if you're American
02:21 eythian       eh, we get to do that too
02:21 eythian       only, with Australia
02:22 dcook         What happens when you tell people you're from New Zealand?
02:22 dcook         I love New Zealand, but I imagine that's in large part because of you guys
02:22 eythian       "Oh, hobbits and sheep!"
02:22 dcook         lol
02:22 dcook         Well, I guess ours is snow and hockey
02:22 dcook         moose
02:24 eythian       yeah. møøse is Scandinavia.
02:24 cdickinson    dcook: I've only been to Japan, and all they talk about when it comes to New Zealand is how clean and full of nature it is :p
02:24 dcook         I love clean and full of nature!
02:25 cdickinson    honestly, as a kiwi, I think their sentiments are a little misguided :P
02:25 dcook         Oh nose! Don't tell me this!
02:25 dcook         Wait, I don't know which is better...
02:25 dcook         Realistic expectations or built up fantasy
02:25 cdickinson    it's definitely full of nature
02:25 dcook         I figure New Zealand must look like the painting I've seen in the NSW art gallery... and the pics from wizzyrea's house
02:25 cdickinson    clean? that's a different story
02:26 dcook         I like to think that Canada is fairly clean... except spring time
02:26 wizzyrea      yeah, it's not as clean as they'd like to say
02:26 dcook         When the snow melts, it leaves behind heaps of dirt and refuse
02:26 wizzyrea      possibly better than say, japan though
02:26 dcook         You're telling me that Japan isn't a super clean ultramodern paradise?
02:26 dcook         I don't know if I want to go now...
02:26 cdickinson    Japan is TIDY
02:26 cdickinson    in the major cities, pollution is a problem
02:27 dcook         :(
02:27 cdickinson    Osaka's not so bad, but Tokyo's pretty much got a permanent light smog
02:27 dcook         I wish I knew more about air pollution. When were were in Melbourne the other day, I couldn't tell if I was seeing smog or fog
02:27 dcook         I don't know if any city can compete with Vancouver's air though
02:28 dcook         You could get a buzz just going for a stroll down the street
02:28 dcook         hehe
02:28 cdickinson    lol
02:28 dcook         I actually meant that in regards to the trees not the weed
02:28 dcook         But it's true in both regards
02:28 cdickinson    drugs are surprisingly well established here as well
02:28 dcook         I used to live by one of the urban forests, and it was absolutely amazing after the rain...
02:29 cdickinson    especially in the city I come from haha
02:29 Francesca     yeah when I think of canada i think of ice hockey
02:29 dcook         I wonder if there's a place where they're not established though
02:29 Francesca     and snow
02:29 Francesca     and cold
02:29 eythian       http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EVW1LNS/
02:29 dcook         Francesa: You just described my youth
02:29 dcook         :p
02:29 dcook         Well, throw in some computers and books. There are sometimes you just couldn't go outside...
02:29 cdickinson    I'm not sure how to feel about that, eythian
02:29 dcook         eythian: That's... a bit disturbing
02:30 cdickinson    Theremins are awesome, but THAT theremin........ wow, that stares into your soul
02:30 Francesca     eythian: thats slightly creepy
02:30 cdickinson    Does the mouth move while playing?
02:30 Francesca     i don't think I want to know
02:43 Francesca     cdickson: tired are we?
02:47 cdickinson    cdickinson*
02:47 dcook         hehe
02:47 cdickinson    Francesca: it's not that I'm tired so much as I just stop breathing fast enough to not yawn ;P
02:47 Francesca     lol
02:47 Francesca     nice comeback
02:48 cdickinson    I thought so, but I guess I'm used to it :p it happens all the time
02:49 cdickinson    my chemistry teacher at school HATED me for it
02:49 cdickinson    she thought I was bored by her lessons
02:49 Francesca     lol
02:49 cdickinson    ...the fact that she was right is besides the point, though
02:49 Francesca     I dropped science as soon as I could so never had that problem
02:49 wizzyrea      it's a real thing, the psychological and unconscious breath holding
02:49 Francesca     wow
02:49 * Francesca   will look it up later
02:49 wizzyrea      part of mindfulness training is making sure you always breathe.
02:50 Francesca     mmm, I've heard of that
02:50 * Francesca   waves goodbye
02:50 cdickinson    sounds like something I need to do
02:50 Francesca     you're not the only one
02:51 cdickinson    difference is I didn
02:51 cdickinson    't know there was such a thing
02:58 dcook         Hmm, I haven't done the unconscious breath holding thing in years
02:58 dcook         Never knew it was an actual thing
03:01 cdickinson    I know it more than anyone I do
03:02 cdickinson    not sure if it's the same, but whenever I go shopping with my family, for something I don't care about... I just start yawning like crazy and feeling sleepy, even though I'm not
03:02 eythian       good afterble constanoon.
03:02 eythian       rangi: chose your pebble yet?
03:02 cdickinson    Pebble as in the smartwatch?
03:03 rangi         yup
03:03 eythian       si.
03:03 eythian       just got the email to sort out details for the new one
03:26 dcook         Oh man... I think i'm down to 8 emails in my inbox
03:26 dcook         In theory, I could clear this thing by the end of the day O_O
03:27 eythian       I have 1,765. I should do something about that.
03:27 dcook         O_O
03:27 dcook         You and my wife. I don't know how you do it.
03:27 eythian       it's pretty easy. Just be bad about deleting things.
03:28 dcook         Ah, actually, if I'm honest... I'm not sure how big my personal inbox is
03:28 dcook         As I filter it to only show unread emails
03:28 dcook         Hmmm
03:28 * dcook       nods
03:28 dcook         4044 read emails in the inbox :p
03:28 dcook         25 unread
03:29 cdickinson    8162 emails in my inbox
03:29 eythian       3,120 unread, 6,861 in total
03:29 dcook         O_O
03:29 dcook         Actually, old emails are super helpful
03:29 cdickinson    but only 5 unread ones, and those unread ones are just ones that I sent myself to remind me of things
03:29 dcook         When I had to list all my old addresses over the past 10 years, the only records I had in some cases were old emails
03:29 dcook         cdickinson: I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that :p
03:29 dcook         I'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of email is probably emails to myself
03:30 cdickinson    yeah, I thought it wasn't a bad thing
03:30 dcook         Like... "Double check shell scripts for bashisms"
03:30 cdickinson    These post-it notes on my desk at Catalyst are nice, but they don't travel with me across the Internet :P
03:30 dcook         hehe
03:30 cdickinson    I just don't use bashisms in the first place
03:30 dcook         Well, that's the key!
03:31 cdickinson    I like to do crazy things in shell script
03:31 cdickinson    I started writing a chip8 interpreter in shell script over the holidays
03:31 cdickinson    and I tried to use as many built-ins as possible WITHOUT resorting to bash to do it
03:31 dcook         Hmm, I see what you're saying about 'crazy' :p
03:32 dcook         I suppose it must be easier to avoid bashisms on some systems
03:32 dcook         We use bash by default at work, but I think all of my home systems use dash
03:32 dcook         Don't even realize sometimes the habits a person picks up..
03:32 cdickinson    yeah, dash because of Ubuntu/Debian at home for me
03:33 cdickinson    The default shell at my university though is tcsh x_x
03:33 dcook         O_o
03:33 dcook         I've never even heard of that one
03:33 cdickinson    otherwise known as the "C Shell"
03:33 dcook         Mmm
03:33 eythian       it was common on some weird old unices.
03:34 cdickinson    Arch Linux is the distro btw
03:34 eythian       I had to use it for a while, until I realised that I could chsh to bash.
03:34 eythian       probably the sysadmins used some weird old unicies.
03:34 eythian       or arch is mad.
03:34 cdickinson    it's supposed to be pretty good for interactive use, but it's a huge PITA for me
03:34 eythian       either is an option.
03:34 cdickinson    apparently the default shell in Arch is Bash
03:35 cdickinson    but yes, our sysadmins at our university are not... normal
03:35 cdickinson    not that sysadmins usually are :P
03:37 cdickinson    the only extent of csh I know though is how to write aliases, because that's all I cared about
03:40 dcook         Tricksy... one of my emails actually contained two attached emails...
04:01 BobB          hi folks
04:01 BobB          does anyone know whether the changes coming on bug 11395
04:01 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11395 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Batch modifications for records
04:02 BobB          will allow swapping of data from one marc field to another?
04:18 mtompset      swapping?
04:18 mtompset      There is Add/Delete/Update/Move/Copy.
04:19 mtompset      I believe that means you could move 245$b into 245$a when 245$a is blank, or other such things.
04:21 mtompset      Actually, I'm in the midst of fixing a strange case on the progress bar, since I signed off a related bug 13606.
04:21 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13606 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Batch modification for records is limited to ~500
04:29 dcook         eythian: any music suggestions for afternoon?
04:29 dcook         Preferably something fast?
04:31 cdickinson    he's gone down for beer o'clock, so you'll have to wait for a reply :P just about to join him
04:32 dcook         Ah, jelly
04:32 dcook         I still have 2.5 hours :p
04:32 dcook         Enjoy the brews!
04:50 BobB          @later tell mtompset thank you Mark, move or copy will be what they need
04:50 huginn`       BobB: The operation succeeded.
04:51 BobB          dcook why is beer o'clock only in NZ?
04:51 * magnuse     waves
04:51 BobB          hi magnuse
04:51 dcook         BobB: That's a very good question
04:51 dcook         hey magnuse
04:52 BobB          I'll have to speak to my boss about that  :)
04:53 dcook         hehe
04:58 magnuse       in norway, alcohol at work is a complete no-no :-)
04:59 dcook         I'm not sure what the state of affairs is in Australia
04:59 * dcook       recalls seeings a lot of lunch beers when he first moved to Oz
05:00 dcook         Never had any myself though
05:57 * magnuse     switches to ncip-mode
06:05 cdickinson    BobB: I like to think beer is synonymous with NZ haha
06:05 dcook         :O
06:05 cdickinson    or at the very least, alcohol is
06:05 dcook         cdickinson: Still on the way for that beer or come and gone?
06:06 cdickinson    Came and gone
06:06 cdickinson    I have to drive tonight so I could only have one or two
06:06 dcook         Ah, fair enough
06:06 cdickinson    It's still going on, and eythian is still down there
06:06 cdickinson    but yeah, the drinking culture here is notoriously... well, big
06:06 cdickinson    not necessarily in a good way, but I enjoy it :)
06:06 dcook         Having had a few beers with rangi, I can extrapolate ;)
06:07 dcook         Yeah, that's like back home
06:07 dcook         It wasn't always a good thing, but sometimes it was
06:07 cdickinson    ah, yeah, that's how it feels here, too
06:08 cdickinson    you should tell me more about these beers if there are stories to be had :P
06:08 cdickinson    but for now I shall log off as I'm signing off from Catalyst for tonight
06:08 cdickinson    so I'll be back on when I get home haha
07:13 gaetan_B      hello
07:13 wahanui       que tal, gaetan_B
07:18 magnuse       bonjour france
07:18 magnuse       @wunder boo
07:18 huginn`       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on April 10, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.21 in 989 hPa (Steady).
07:19 magnuse       woke up to 5 cm of fresh snow this morning...
07:22 magnuse       @wunder marseille
07:22 huginn`       magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 7.8°C (9:22 AM CEST on April 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
07:31 cdickinson    @wunder nzwn
07:31 huginn`       cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on April 10, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
07:31 cdickinson    hopefully won't be drenched while I'm out then
07:33 Joubu         Can someone tell me when s/he has seen the progress bar (on importing record or modifying items) working for the last time?
07:34 dcook         Mmm, I've seen it working when importing records in 3.14.5
07:34 dcook         I don't think I've ever seen it work for importing items...
07:38 dcook         Just about time to get out of here!
07:38 * dcook       says having stayed late like every other day ever
07:40 Joubu         It does not work for me on 3.14.5
07:40 Joubu         using perl 5.20.1
07:40 cdickinphone_ Lol, late for any specific reason, dcook?
07:40 dcook         Joubu: I'll check my perl version, but I think I'm using the same
07:41 dcook         Are you importing items at all?
07:41 dcook         If my marc has no item data, then it usually works
07:41 dcook         Yep, 5.20.1
07:41 Joubu         no, I did not import items
07:41 dcook         Hmm, I'm not sure then :/
07:42 dcook         I don't do it often enough to say
07:49 Joubu         it works on sandboxes with master and perl 5.14
07:49 cait          morning #koha
07:58 magnuse       kia ora cait
08:36 dcook         cdickinphone: Well, I'm still here now because I was on the phone with my health insurance people
08:36 dcook         But before that, I think it was about an hour of just working late for clients
08:37 dcook         Mostly because I actually care more than I am paid to care :P
08:37 dcook         Joubu: If you add me to a bug, I will take a look when I can
08:38 dcook         Out of the office all next week working on non-Koha stuff though..
08:38 dcook         Night all. See you in a week or so :)
08:46 ashimema      morning
08:47 ashimema      dbic-migration = awesome
08:49 magnuse       yay?
08:58 ashimema      just a random comment..
08:58 ashimema      it is very clever.
10:19 magnuse       kia ora atheia
10:19 atheia        hei magnuse!
10:20 magnuse       atheia: do you plan/hope to get the ill stuff into 3.20, or are you not thinking about that?
10:20 magnuse       just curious...
10:21 atheia        magnuse: hmm, tbh, not quite thinking about that yet.  We're now at a stage where we're starting to use it for some of our customers.
10:21 ashimema      poor atheia's fingers must be on fire the patches that are flying in for ill
10:22 atheia        but there's still some work to be done for providing a backend agnostic interface in order to push clean patch sets into community.
10:22 atheia        I'm starting to have a pretty good schema for this work in my head though :-)
10:22 magnuse       atheia: no worries, just curious about your plans and timeframe :-)
10:22 magnuse       sounds good
10:22 ashimema      I'm thinking we add a github milestone 'ILL - Submit to community' atheia
10:23 atheia        k, I think I'll put some time into updating the RFC and bug with some additional info next week.
10:23 atheia        ashimema: Yeah, I think that's a nice idea. I'll get on that.
10:23 magnuse       excellent
10:23 ashimema      then lump all the issues related to making it submission worthy into there.. that way we can track whats left (and maybe even encourage the QA team from here to add to the issues pile
10:23 ashimema      (and even better submit some pull requests for said issues ;) )
10:24 atheia        sounds good :-)
10:25 ashimema      I know some people here have issues again github.. but you have to admit it's workflow for encouraging contributions and communication is actually pretty sweat
10:25 ashimema      where did cait go?
10:40 khall         mornin all!
10:43 kivilahtio    @later tell tcohen that "I am sorry but I cannot take part in that discussion about 13611 now, I am too busy. I don't remember the answer outright"
10:43 huginn`       kivilahtio: The operation succeeded.
10:53 cait          to lunch :)
10:53 cait          what's up?
11:00 cait          reading back
11:03 kivilahtio    stuff is up
11:03 kivilahtio    just came from a foreman social skills training lecture
11:03 kivilahtio    nice change
11:07 cait          bug 13611
11:07 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , Serial enumeration not visible in the opac-user.pl when browsing own holds.
12:30 khall         cait: for the life of me, I cannot reproduce bug 13957 on master!
12:30 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results
12:31 barton        got this from #perl on google+ : http://devblog.nestoria.com/post/115930183873/tombstones-for-dead-code
13:10 cait          khall: hm ican :) did you try users without country and some of the other fields shown?
13:11 khall         I tried without country, I'll try some other combinations
13:12 cait          i saw it just yesterday i think
13:18 khall         cait: not matter what fields I empty, I can't reproduce! http://screencast.com/t/0K0gy0X7LNM
13:18 khall         I left state and zip out in this example
13:19 khall         I've left them all empty as well, and still no 'null's
13:19 khall         I've tested it in chrome and firefox
13:35 cait          khall: funny hm
13:35 cait          i can check again tonight - could it be versions or something else weird?
13:36 khall         maybe
13:44 ashimema      tombstoning is brilliant barton.. nice
13:46 cait          khall: there is another patch from Joubu about a similar thing in acq
13:47 cait          bug 10388
13:47 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , acq edited items showing 'null's
13:47 cait          would be interesting fi you see those nulls
13:48 barton        ashimema: yeah, that's definitely something that we could use. I think that having the stack trace in the tombstone log is especially nice -- it allows you to root out the calling code with a minimum amount of fuss and muss.
13:49 ashimema      yeah.. looks great..
13:49 ashimema      I'de vote for it ;)
13:49 ashimema      tombstone everything :)
13:50 cait          khall: hm, could it be a difference if you have a new user with null in the database vs. one with ""?
13:50 khall         hmm, cait, let me try that. Maybe my new users have empty values and not null values
13:51 ashimema      barton: though we'de probably want to somehow tie it into some centralised tracking..
13:51 ashimema      HEA?
13:51 wahanui       HEA is, like, coming (see hea.koha-community.org)
13:51 ashimema      which would appear to be dead righ tnow :(
13:51 ashimema      Joubu?
13:51 wahanui       hmmm... Joubu is not sure how to fix that correctly
13:53 Joubu         ashimema: yes, I pinged our sysop this morning
13:54 ashimema      :)
13:54 ashimema      coolios..
13:56 barton        ashimema: HEA would make a lot of sense, as long as it didn't get in the way... the tombstones should be *incredibly* light weight. It might make sense to buffer them, then write the buffer to HEA every few minutes.
13:56 ashimema      seems sensible barton..
13:56 ashimema      at the moment HEA relies on a cron job.. it's not instant anyways..
13:56 ashimema      so.. buffering would make sense
13:58 ashimema      This is in fact a big reason HEA was created.. to track unused 'stuffs'.. so initially it's all about the sysprefs.. but I don't see why it couldn't be expanded to work with tombstoning.. I like the idea.
13:58 ashimema      give people a powerful reason to opt in too... 'if you don't, a piece of code you rely on may be deprecated at short notice' ;)
13:59 cait          ok, ig ot lost...
13:59 cait          what is tombstoning?
13:59 wahanui       tombstoning is brilliant barton.. nice
14:00 ashimema      cait: http://devblog.nestoria.com/post/115930183873/tombstones-for-dead-code
14:00 ashimema      the two minute video is enough to explain it.
14:01 barton        cait: see http://devblog.nestoria.com/post/115930183873/tombstones-for-dead-code ... it's a way of finding dead code.
14:04 Joubu         ashimema: hea up again
14:05 Joubu         ashimema: there are some memory leaks :-/
14:11 ashimema      coolios..
14:11 ashimema      well.. coolios it's up.. not so good there are leask ;)
14:15 ashimema      hey Joubu.. does hea show UsageStatsLibraryName or UsageStatsLibraryUrl anywhere in the ui yet..
14:16 ashimema      I'm nto seeing it..
14:16 ashimema      just wanted to check out instances are sending you the data.. ;)
14:16 ashimema      we have at least 3 3.18.05.1's sending data..
14:16 ashimema      but I can't see them on the hea site
14:25 Joubu         ashimema: when have them upload the data?
14:26 ashimema      some time ago I set it running..
14:26 ashimema      I've upgraded koha a few time since
14:26 ashimema      does HEA not keep track?
14:26 Joubu         ashimema: pm
14:33 misilot       are emails sent when holds are canceled?
14:41 cait          misilot: nope
14:45 misilot       thanks cait :)
14:59 Joubu         khall: bug 6007 should have been QAed before bug 1487 :) That's why you got the js error
14:59 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6007 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Checking 'Display only used Tags/Subfields' on MARC framework page results in unusable output
14:59 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1487 enhancement, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Set only the used fields/subfields
14:59 khall         ahh, thanks Joubu! I totally missed that!
14:59 khall         will do!
15:00 Joubu         khall: np, thanks for the qa!
15:22 gaetan_B      bye!
15:30 Joubu         have a good week end #koha
15:40 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13866: Columns configuration - Patrons search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=27dda9782c26ed44926c7dbce1e4926711e0378b> / Bug 13372: Sort is done by DataTables <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc119bd856eb557bfc0107919a1ac06a669b944b> / Bug 13372: Items lost report improvements <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=03382a089df2e
17:48 barton        ashimema: khall left a later for me this morning about looking at the zebra profilePath stuff. I'm up to my eyeballs trying to integrate Koha and VuFind in an LDAP environment, but it is on my radar.
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23:11 mtompset      Have a great weekend, #koha