Time  Nick        Message
23:42 TGoat       thanks wizzyrea :D
23:42 wizzyrea    TGoat: talk to druthb about that
23:41 TGoat       Koha can you help? - Question from a curious Pakistani Koha user. I know Koha has supported right-to-left languages for a while, but I'm wondering what experience the community has with programming anything for these languages.  We sometimes encounter a problem with Farsi titles not displaying correctly or something like that.  Has the community had experiences with making fixes with R-L languages?
23:23 dcook       Nope, no solution. Still not working..
23:22 dcook       Yay Java...
23:22 dcook       Ahhh, I think I just discovered my indexing problem
23:20 dcook       Student booze was great
23:20 dcook       hehe
23:20 eythian     so is the drunk you get when you hand in your thesis.
23:17 dcook       Mind you, the relief high you get when the term is over is also pretty awesome
23:16 dcook       Actually, as much as I occasionally miss the flexibility of student life, the lack of student stress is pretty awesome
23:16 dcook       Nah, that can't be it
23:16 wizzyrea    i heard pianohacker was having a pretty stressful few weeks, don't know why exactly but maybe has to do with the end of school
23:12 dcook       pianohacker: are you still around?
23:12 dcook       Oh, that reminds me..
23:12 dcook       hehe
23:12 eythian     I don't actually know what that is
23:12 eythian     I assume
23:12 eythian     It beats bardcoding.
23:12 dcook       Oh the joys of barcoding
22:53 wizzyrea    what's not working about it?
22:50 oa10712     Ok, thanks. I'l try messing around with a test system and see if I can get it to work
22:49 cait        select max(barcode) from items or so
22:49 cait        oa10712: it normally looks at the highest existing barcode
22:48 oa10712     I don't have any copies in the system yet, so it still seems a bit odd.
22:48 rangi       it gets messed up if you have barcodes that contain things other than just digits
22:47 wizzyrea    it looks at the highest barcode and adds one
22:46 oa10712     Does anyone know where the information is stored for auto-incrementation of barcodes? I turned the feature on, but the numbering started at 85391773728. I want to reset the count, but am unable to locate it in the SQL database.
22:12 wizzyrea    that's fine, I have a jacket ^.^
22:10 eythian     wizzyrea: expect it to change later today, I think
22:10 eythian     hi
21:20 wizzyrea    hm, to me it seems warm but humid and it's raining. The wind's out of the north, which is an improvement on yesterday imo.
20:53 Dyrcona     Still yesterday here...
20:48 huginn`     Dyrcona: The current temperature in WB1CHU, Lawrence, Massachusetts is 2.8°C (4:47 PM EDT on April 09, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
20:48 Dyrcona     @wunder 01845
20:46 cdickinson  sure doesn't feel 17°C on Cuba Street
20:45 rangi       its not that pleasant here today either
20:45 huginn`     rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on April 10, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
20:45 rangi       @wunder nzwn
20:45 rangi       heh
20:45 carmen      in the cold cold state of NJ , USA  bleh lol
20:44 carmen      Why hello rangi  :)
20:44 rangi       where in the world is carmen today?
20:18 rangi       heh
20:16 pianohacker will have a driver's license before you know it
20:16 pianohacker rangi: oh yeah, getting on in years
20:16 rangi       happy birthday pianohacker, what are you like 16 now? :)
20:14 cait        morning
20:13 magnuse     evening
20:13 rangi       morning
20:02 pianohacker thanks andreashm  :)
20:02 andreashm   happy b-day pianohacker
20:02 * andreashm is slow at reading tonight, apparently
20:01 andreashm   and others
20:00 andreashm   hi magnuse
19:54 mtompset    What no embarrassing topic change telling us that it is pianohacker's birthday?! :P
19:53 magnuse     ah hang in there then :-)
19:52 pianohacker magnuse: so close... about a month
19:51 magnuse     pianohacker: getting very close to the end of school now too?
19:51 magnuse     hiya andreashm
19:50 pianohacker thank you ladies and gents :)
19:50 bag         knuckles magnuse
19:50 * magnuse   knuckles bag
19:50 magnuse     happy birthday pianohacker!
19:49 cait        Happy birthday pianohacker!
19:49 bag         happy birthday pianohacker
19:48 * cait      waves
19:48 pianohacker yo
19:46 andreashm   evening
19:41 bag         right it was added - 3.00.00.05
19:39 mtompset    Ah.
19:35 cait        nozebradb table
19:34 mtompset    obsolete? What's obsolete? :)
19:30 cait        hm don't have it n my newer database
19:29 cait        bag: it's obsolete
19:29 cait        wnickc: correct
19:24 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
19:23 wnickc      stores index info if not using zebra? http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/zebranozebra.html
19:20 bag         anybody have an idea of what the nozebra table does?
19:13 bag         hi cait
19:02 cait        hi #koha
18:22 tcohen      bye #koha
18:17 misilot     Does anyone use the oclc connexion gateway tool with their ILS on an internal ip? The reason I ask, is I am wondering if OCLC is trying to talk to Koha directly, or if it's going through the Connexion Client. Trying to determine if it's the firewall blocking access or something else.
17:56 huginn`     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8796 - patron cards not starting on designated card <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f60138080cba847a53b7373c0c98ec42766b8df> / Bug 13349 [QA Followup] <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ab2ebfc59d2a0e2f9515156951251f7d738a5eb> / Bug 13349 - Allow library code to display against users pending changes -update screen <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=
17:54 tcohen      *it fixes it
17:54 tcohen      *critical*
17:54 tcohen      the latter breaks checkin
17:53 * magnuse   is curious
17:52 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13934 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Check in fails on master "Can't bless non-reference at .../ItemType.pm Line 64"
17:52 magnuse     bug 13934
17:52 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Serial enumeration not visible in the opac-user.pl when browsing own holds.
17:52 magnuse     bug 13611
17:48 tcohen      any QA member: 13934
17:46 tcohen      kivilahtio: is there always an enumchron on serials? otherwise you might be introducing a warning on 13611
17:45 tcohen      hi kivilahtio
17:40 wnickc      heh
17:39 magnuse     bless you
17:38 tcohen      Joubu: then http://snag.gy/tnCNc.jpg
17:38 tcohen      Joubu: http://snag.gy/XiNXX.jpg
16:09 Joubu       tcohen: what is the broken checkin?
15:15 fridolin    see u
15:11 tcohen      #koha: what was the bug # for the broken checkin ?
15:09 barton      Hey, I just had a brainstorm (tempest in a teacup) ... how 'bout we set up a very low-friction testing environment specifically for signoff of trivial bugs? Set up a secondary dashboard that only shows tickets that need sign off and have severity of 'Trivial' ... this would be a good entry point for people who might not otherwise do signoffs.
15:03 talljoy     good morning #koha
13:48 druthb      \o/
13:38 magnuse     \o/
13:37 tcohen      hi cait
13:36 cait        morning tcohen :)
13:33 khall       mornin tcohen!
13:32 tcohen      morning khall
13:32 khall       mornin all!
13:05 tcohen      hi frido
13:05 fridolin    good morning tcohen
12:55 tcohen      morning
11:41 magnuse     the pref?
11:41 magnuse     pref?
11:41 wahanui     magnuse: I forgot pref
11:41 magnuse     wahanui: forget the pref
10:45 wahanui     well, the pref is "dateformat" and it's under I18n/L10N preferences
10:45 Joubu       cait: the pref
10:39 cait        where do you look, in borrowers? or the pref?
10:39 cait        hm thought it was
10:26 Joubu       Shouldn't OpacPrivacy be set by default??
10:19 cait        wow, 1155$ now :)
10:18 Joubu       ooops
10:18 Joubu       ILS-DI:AuthorizedIPs
10:18 Joubu       oli: yes there is a pref to set the IP addresses to authorise
10:08 oli         Getting data from Azure so I'll have to setup a proxy to keep things secure
10:06 cait        ah, good to know
10:06 oli         It seems to be returning data even when I don't have a session
10:05 cait        hm not entirely sure tho
10:04 cait        that and sending the login for theuser i think
10:03 oli         Regarding authentication for ILS-DI; is that simply based on the requesters IP address?
09:59 oli         Awesome - thanks for the info Joubu and magnuse. That's really helpful, I was totally lost before!
09:57 hasenbear   cait: sorry, was called away. thanks, will check with the admin again to see if changes have been made and report back with detailed config if need be.  cheers!
09:57 Joubu       oli: this page is the plan for the new version. The "background" section describes the existing solutions
09:54 oli         Is that what's currently implemented or the plan for the new version?
09:54 Joubu       The most complete is koha-restful, but ils-di could be enough
09:52 Joubu       oli: you should have a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/New_REST_API_RFC#Background
09:51 oli         Is there anywhere I can get a listing of the methods available in the REST API?
09:49 magnuse     there is also a rest api: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API this is in the process of being replaced with a more consistent api
09:49 magnuse     it can also be used to build opac substitutes
09:48 oli         Ahh, awesome - thanks. I had a look at their site but thought it was for sharing information between libraries
09:48 magnuse     you probably have to enable it
09:47 magnuse     it is self-documented at <opac>/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl
09:46 magnuse     have you looked at the ils-di api?
09:46 oli         I can't find documentation anywhere
09:45 oli         I'm quite new to Koha so I my not be using the correct terminology - but I need to get a list of current loans, holds, and fines for a given user
09:45 oli         Fair point! I'm trying to find a list of endpoints or some more concrete documentation about what is available around getting loans for a specific user
09:44 magnuse     oli: chances are noone will say yes until they know a bit more :-)
09:42 oli         Hey - I was wondering if someone could help me with some Koha API stuff?
09:33 magnuse     :-)
09:30 Joubu       magnuse: it was a joke, I don't have a fb account :)
09:30 magnuse     i'm skipping linkedin, though
09:30 magnuse     Joubu: fb is done now, please share :-)
09:29 drojf       that must have been the most quiet day in koha history http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-04-04
09:29 fridolin    a programmer needs a laptop
09:28 magnuse     Joubu: oh noes!
09:28 fridolin    what the ...
09:26 Joubu       magnuse: you forgot fb and linkedin!
09:22 drojf       magnuse++
09:20 magnuse     wiki, mailing lists, twitter - done
09:13 magnuse     oh and https://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop
09:13 drojf       hei magnuse
09:12 magnuse     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2015-04-13_Global_bug_squashing_day
09:12 magnuse     moin drojf
09:05 drojf       hi #koha
09:01 cait        but the gibberish is weird - would be intersting to see how you configured it
09:01 cait        connection failed sometiems can happen because of changes in the firewall - as the ports are often different
09:00 cait        i just tested - it works ok forme
09:00 hasenbear   all the otehr servers except  that one are coming back aas "connection failed"
08:59 cait        which connection data did you configure?
08:59 cait        that#s ours
08:59 wahanui     i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:59 cait        hmmm interesting
08:58 hasenbear   started on tuesday this week.  example: BIBLIOTHEKZENTRALE BW 		20081013d2008 |||y0gerb0103 ba 				0-521-61291-8 | 0-521-84843-1 | 978-0-521-61291-3 | 978-0-521-84843-5 	MARC 	Karte 	Import
08:57 cait        hm and make sure the system preferences z3950NormalizeAuthor is set to 'kopiere keine'
08:56 cait        when did it start? can you give an example for a connection you use?
08:55 hasenbear   not that i am aware of.
08:54 cait        did you update koha? or change something else?
08:54 hasenbear   connections have been working up till now (used sporatically) and there have been no known changes to the access info.  help?
08:53 hasenbear   hello. am in germany. suddenly having trouble gaining accesss through z39.50 to all datenbanks previously used. data sets are coming back either empty, full of gibberish, or we get the error that connection has failed.
08:41 * magnuse   waves back
08:39 * cait      waves
08:35 magnuse     :-)
08:35 rangi       magnuse++
08:35 rangi       oh
08:33 magnuse     community++
08:24 ashimema    rangi++
08:24 ashimema    it's nice to have such a warm community
08:23 ashimema    :)
08:23 rangi       there i think thats everyone i recognise and know nicks for :)
08:23 rangi       mtj++
08:23 rangi       eythian++
08:22 rangi       andreashm++
08:22 rangi       ashimema++
08:22 rangi       fredericd++
08:22 rangi       Joubu++
08:22 nlegrand    Bonjour #koha
08:22 rangi       mveron++
07:13 cait        hm i understand
07:13 fridolin    it creates a big query and creates a MARC::Record just to get 1 data
07:12 fridolin    the thing is that in some places, the code gets marcxml only to get this subtitle
07:12 cait        i'd just be careful before throwing it out
07:11 cait        otherwise that wouldn't dispaly in some places as $a only has the title of the work and is always the same
07:11 cait        that's the volume title
07:11 fridolin    cait: thanks a lot
07:11 cait        we use it for 245$n
07:11 cait        i meant other fields than the subtitle field to the SUBTITLE keyword
07:09 dcook       We used to use that for customized templates though..
07:09 dcook       cait: I think you can add other things than subtitle, but I don't know if they're picked up anywhere
07:09 dcook       salut fridolin
07:08 cait        fridolin: i haven't had time to research more yet - but i think the subtitle is used more widely in the non xslt views - and also not only for subtitle, you can put other fields in there too - hope i get to answer the ml mail, but in case i won't :)
07:08 fridolin    bonjour tout le modne
07:07 marcelr     dcook++
07:07 dcook       marcelr: Ah, right. I think I found your solution, so hopefully it works :)
07:07 cait        davidnind++
07:05 marcelr     dcook: I left Text::Bidi for later
07:01 andreashm   morning
06:47 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12068 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL languages
06:47 dcook       bug 12068 it seems
06:47 dcook       I can't remember what bug that was now... but I was curious
06:47 dcook       oh hey, did you have any more luck with Text::Bidi?
06:46 marcelr     :)
06:46 dcook       hey marcelr
06:45 marcelr     hi #koha
06:35 ashimema    I'm really tempted to write a Mojo plugin for it.. based loosly around the Swagger one.
06:35 ashimema    just not quiet as much as Swagger
06:34 ashimema    there's still a huge amount of support though ;)
06:34 dcook       That makes a difference :/
06:34 dcook       At a glance, I prefer it
06:34 ashimema    but there's a tad less support for it out there so far.
06:34 ashimema    feels nicer somehow..
06:34 dcook       Looks sweet :)
06:34 ashimema    I sorta prefer it to Swagger
06:33 ashimema    That's the one dcook..
06:33 ashimema    wow..  http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop.. almost half way there already
06:33 dcook       http://raml.org/ ?
06:32 ashimema    there's not a perl module for RAML yet
06:21 dcook       It seems like there's a Perl module for everything
06:21 dcook       "use version;" ftw
05:36 dcook       Hmm, just remembered DSpace's indexing scripts changed between versions.. that makes things tougher for me..
05:35 dcook       Yeah, it was just too fast :p
05:35 magnuse     yeah. sneaky
05:34 eythian     monday off remember
05:33 dcook       It can't be Thursday already..
05:28 * dcook     thought that sounded familiar
05:26 eythian     it might just be enough to remove those links
05:26 * eythian   will not enjoy fixing this
05:26 eythian     so we swap out the koha-contained library for a system one.
05:25 eythian     $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui
05:25 eythian     ln -s /usr/share/javascript/yui \
05:25 eythian     $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui
05:25 eythian     rm -r \
05:24 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13759 major, P3, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , git-build-snapshot misses YUI and dies of sorrow during build
05:24 magnuse     bug 13759
05:24 eythian     I can't remember if they still do
05:24 eythian     they did
05:24 dcook       ?*
05:24 dcook       I think the packages do some magic to use the system ones instead though/
05:24 dcook       I think we do carry our own copy, which is why I was always surprised that the system libraries got used..
05:23 eythian     checking that out now.
05:23 eythian     my other thought is that we might not actually use yui system libraries, and just carry our own copy
05:23 dcook       Well, in 3.14.5...
05:23 dcook       Yeah, I'm seeing it at least show up in ids and classes...
05:23 cdickinson  alright, I'll be back in a bit
05:23 eythian     magnuse: hmm
05:23 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13612 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove old YUI javacript libraries from opac-tmpl
05:23 wahanui     bug was last seen on #koha 3 years, 222 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: seneca: rangi is a man :P [Wed Aug 31 03:01:06 2011]
05:23 magnuse     eythian: seen bug 13612? i think yui might still be used in the staff interface
05:22 cdickinson  I'd like to stick around for the conversation, though... I really will set up an IRC bouncer this weekend
05:21 Francesca   not all bad then
05:21 cdickinson  but he's all goods, he's in there for his last two rounds of chemo and then he's a free man
05:21 Francesca   poor guy
05:21 Francesca   oh no
05:20 cdickinson  Cancer, lost his leg
05:20 cdickinson  Yes and no
05:20 dcook       In the staff client, I think?
05:20 Francesca   is your friend ok?
05:20 dcook       Hmm, I think I've seen it in use in 3.14.5?
05:20 Francesca   oh dear
05:20 cdickinson  going to see my friend in hospital
05:20 eythian     for the best, but I don't know if we still need it or use it.
05:20 cdickinson  Just about to log off, actually
05:20 dcook       Francesca: excellent :)
05:20 * dcook     has wondered about those libjs dependencies
05:20 eythian     it looks like debian has removed that.
05:19 * magnuse   waves
05:19 eythian     koha-common : Depends: libjs-yui but it is not installable
05:19 dcook       Ahh
05:19 dcook       That doesn't sound good, eythian
05:19 eythian     has yui gone completely, anyone know?
05:19 dcook       O_O
05:19 eythian     hmm, koha not installable on debian jessie
05:19 Francesca   how goes it?
05:19 Francesca   yo
05:19 dcook       yo Francesca
05:18 cdickinson  Hiya Francesca
05:18 * Francesca waves
05:16 dcook       Ah, after a bit of reading, I see what you mean, eythian
05:14 cdickinson  might be looking into using Heat to help us with the automatic instance deployment stuff, which is similar to AWS CloudFormation.. so hopefully most of what I'm doing here transfers over
05:13 eythian     dcook: our infrastructure is openstack, which looks a lot like AWS.
05:12 cdickinson  going to be a busy boy writing up articles on the Koha Wiki
05:12 dcook       Cool :)
05:12 cdickinson  yeah, that's the plan AFAIK
05:12 cdickinson  ah, cool
05:11 dcook       We mostly host all of our Koha instances in house. I've been doing some work to replicate to AWS, but only for disaster recovery at the moment...
05:11 dcook       Is this getting published anywhere? ;)
05:10 cdickinson  dcook: I think so too haha
05:10 dcook       yo magnuse
05:09 dcook       cdickinson: That sounds great :)
05:04 cdickinson  the key things we want are that OpenStack can automatically scale up and down the amount of compute power as needed, and do this automatically and quickly so new users can be deployed easily, and existing users won't notice any difference in quality of service
05:01 cdickinson  the details of how this will work are being ironed out as we speak ;)
05:00 cdickinson  But we will be using OpenStack to provide "Koha as a Service", if you get what I mean
05:00 cdickinson  The plan is kinda vague so far, it's just how these things start off
04:59 cdickinson  Yeah, even just idling here overnight I can see there's a healthy mix of real work getting done and silly banter going around :P
04:59 dcook       What sort of plans do you have so far?
04:58 dcook       Awesome. It's a pretty great group!
04:56 cdickinson  things are only just getting started, but I'm looking forward to working with everyone here, really excited about this project
04:54 cdickinson  I'm an engineering student, and I'm going to be working on getting Koha ready for the cloud as part of my honours project
04:53 cdickinson  Yeah, I'm with Catalyst
04:51 dcook       That strangely reminds me... what brings you to Koha, cdickinson? I heard you're over at Catalyst?
04:46 cdickinson  but I'm talking about my secondary school... even though that was small too, but it was a blessing because I won't have to post on Reddit about any disasters there :>
04:46 cdickinson  my primary school only just had a library
04:45 cdickinson  yeah, that's fair enough
04:45 dcook       Well, we had a "resource room", but it was almost always locked
04:45 dcook       Ah, this was uni. My grade schools were too remote to really have a library.
04:44 cdickinson  boys*
04:44 cdickinson  boy's only school, so nope
04:44 dcook       Also once swapped a pen for a kitkat. Mmm chocolate.
04:44 dcook       I actually met a lot of girls when working the desk...
04:44 cdickinson  we used*
04:44 cdickinson  apart from when whatever library software we didn't use that wasn't Koha crashed
04:43 cdickinson  I never had any drama manning the desk issuing and returning books
04:43 dcook       Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess
04:43 dcook       Now I sit at a desk and never move. Oh wait...
04:43 * dcook     was elated to graduate from circ staff/shelver to librarian
04:42 dcook       I found it mostly just painful on my knees
04:42 cdickinson  stock take was worse though
04:42 cdickinson  our library at my school was small and it annoyed me haha
04:42 dcook       Only ever did inventories in small college or government libraries though..
04:41 dcook       It made library life so much easier
04:41 dcook       Orange shelves or special carts/tables
04:41 dcook       That's why my uni libraries had places designated where you put books
04:41 dcook       hehe
04:41 cdickinson  people never put ANYTHING in the right place, EVER
04:41 dcook       That it does
04:41 cdickinson  shelf checking sucks
04:40 dcook       I figure inventory would be fairly useful
04:40 cdickinson  well, I was a library monitor for my school
04:40 dcook       :p
04:40 wizzyrea    I didn't know where that thought was going, sorry I couldn't just let it hang there.
04:40 wizzyrea    ...what it's like to be a librarian?
04:34 dcook       One of these days, I'll learn how to use the inventory tool and really remember...
04:34 cdickinson  but then again, everything there isn't USUALLY on special at a 1-day site...
04:34 cdickinson  usually use PriceSpy to get me the best prices for that
04:33 cdickinson  yeah, the computer stuff is what I'm most interested in
04:29 mtj         ta eythian
04:29 mtj         computer stuff too -> http://www.1-day.co.nz/onsale/personal0904/p/
04:27 cdickinson  good, competition
04:25 eythian     we have piles of them
04:24 cdickinson  normally don't really buy stuff online unless I have to, but just never really knew NZ had sites like that
04:23 cdickinson  ahh
04:22 wizzyrea    also "one day deal" kind of sites
04:22 wizzyrea    cdickinson: I suppose you know of grabone and treatme?
04:22 dcook       Story*
04:22 dcook       "Sstory Continues Box Set" hehe
04:14 eythian     yeah, they have a lot of junk and the occasional actually useful thing.
04:11 cdickinson  not be able to today, but that site will now live in my bookmarks forever
04:10 cdickinson  o.o?
04:09 wizzyrea    lol.
04:09 eythian     'course, I'm not getting the GoT set until he gaddamn finishes them
04:08 wizzyrea    oooo
04:08 eythian     http://www.1-day.co.nz/onsale/books0804/p/?amp;utm_medium=Email <-- wizzyrea, mtj, cdickinson, rangi, any other NZers I'm forgetting that are in here.
03:51 wizzyrea    you can answer if you want.
03:51 wizzyrea    that's mostly rhetorical.
03:51 wizzyrea    ohhhh what are we gonna do about/with/for bibframe in Koha
03:44 * wizzyrea  takes a note
03:42 eythian     > If you write interfaces with more than 4 or 5 function arguments, it's possible that you and I cannot be friends.
03:00 mtj         ahh, thanks for the reminder
03:00 rangi       yep, has the patch for 3.16 been released yet? if not we shouldnt discuss it in the logged channel until it has
02:58 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible.
02:58 mtj         bug 12954
02:58 mtj         hey rangi, got a tic re: 12954?
01:20 dcook       hehe
01:19 wizzyrea    also, not qualified to even make a funny guess. :P
01:18 * wizzyrea  is not sure where en-NZ fits in that.
01:18 wizzyrea    hehehehe
01:18 eythian     http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-02/27/8/enhanced/webdr01/enhanced-buzz-757-1425045191-13.jpg <-- heh
01:16 wizzyrea    rangi++ for remembering all of the features and general awesomeness.
01:13 jcamins     Actually, I should've been able to figure out it was ten years ago... I was in college when I found out that feature existed.
01:12 jcamins     Yeah.
01:11 eythian     that was a little while ago
01:11 jcamins     Oh, it was 5.0.7.
01:11 eythian     yeah, it's a good thing to have
01:09 jcamins     I was thrilled when they added that, though.
01:09 jcamins     Yeah, that might've come out a couple years ago. I can't remember.
01:04 eythian     that was the 5.5 manual I quoted there
01:03 jcamins     Well... a couple years.
01:03 jcamins     That's a recent feature.
01:03 eythian     oh, you can't with stored procedures, but we don't use them
01:02 eythian     this might be a recent change though, I see some things on the internet saying that you couldn't do that
01:01 eythian     > Within prepared statements, LIMIT parameters can be specified using ? placeholder markers.
01:01 eythian     oh, no, I'm still right:
01:01 eythian     hmm, actually
01:00 eythian     (disclaimer: I don't know how they work really, just that if they are causing LIMIT <<something>> to be an error, then it's probably bad.
01:00 eythian     yeah, if they're making queries like blah='$var1', then they're totally dodgy
00:59 dcook       yeah
00:59 wizzyrea    good thing, because it seems dangerous (i.e. easy to screw up)
00:59 dcook       In that case, sounds like the run-time parameters might be a bit dodgey?
00:59 dcook       Makes sense
00:59 eythian     it's not possible, too
00:59 wizzyrea    supplying a column name seems vaguely dangerous
00:58 eythian     basically you have to thing of the parameterised query as an input to the optimiser, and so everything needed to work out how to solve it must be in place.
00:58 dcook       Hmm, maybe that's what I was thinking of
00:58 eythian     so, you can't supply a column name for example
00:58 eythian     you can't put them on the left hand side
00:58 dcook       There's some place I wanted to put them but couldn't...
00:58 dcook       What am I thinking of then?
00:58 wahanui     no it's not.
00:58 dcook       Hmm, that's right
00:57 eythian     most places where a value is going
00:57 eythian     LIMIT, SET, etc.
00:57 eythian     sure you can
00:57 dcook       As in, you can't add ? parameters to other places than the WHERE clause from what I've seen
00:57 dcook       Interesting. I suppose I meant more that's how it seems like they behave.
00:56 eythian     they behave like that's happened, but they don't actually quote because that'd be silly
00:56 dcook       lol
00:56 eythian     dcook: no, parameterised queries don't wrap quotes
00:55 wizzyrea    I'm afraid I might end up a bit like this http://i.imgur.com/QMFZ8Zq.gif
00:55 * dcook     hasn't looked at the reports in a while
00:55 wizzyrea    tbh I'm afraid to look.
00:55 dcook       Well, the parameterized queries would wrap quotes around it. Hopefully that's how it's being done
00:53 eythian     like, extra dumb
00:53 eythian     well, it'd be dumb to do so, anyway
00:53 eythian     dcook: if it's wrapping quotes around things, then we can't be
00:53 dcook       eythian: surely we must?
00:52 dcook       I feel you on the << Limit >> thing though
00:52 eythian     it concerns me that we don't build parametric queries like is the law.
00:52 dcook       I'm not sure what we're booing, but I want to get behind it :p
00:51 dcook       O_o
00:51 wizzyrea    the above which happened to be the cause of it.
00:51 wizzyrea    well at that exact moment I was lamenting about the stupid error I was getting because it didn't make much sense.
00:50 wizzyrea    and limits don't work with quotes around them, sql syntax-wise
00:50 wizzyrea    actually, I was lamenting that you can't put a limit << Limit >> sql parameter in the saved reports, because the code adds quotes around all parameters.
00:49 wizzyrea    stupid windows.