Time Nick Message 23:00 cdickinson that would upset me too... though only Windows gives me such troubles 22:59 cdickinson I think there was a file she was trying to open and it wasn't working 22:59 cdickinson lol 22:56 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded. 22:56 eythian @later tell marcelr http://localfocus2.appspot.com/55250e091cd5a ... I see you're having problems over there. 22:55 eythian people often say that after I say 'hi' 22:52 wizzyrea i feel like I'm losing my mind 22:36 eythian hi 21:39 wizzyrea gnite cait 21:37 cait night 21:33 wizzyrea aha, well glad you got that sorted then :) 21:19 thd wizzyrea: I had discovered why everything else appears incorrect in navigation but this had me stumped until cait noticed the commonality of wiki page and category names. 21:17 thd wizzyrea: I had wondered about the issue for years without spending enough time to address it properly. 21:16 wizzyrea Ah. 21:14 thd Actually, changing capitalisation should be enough for a workaround. 21:09 thd The page rename will entail a link from the old name. 21:08 thd I will try renaming the wiki page sharing the same name as the category as a workaround for the time being. 21:06 thd wizzyrea: The problem is that if the category is then applied manually to the affected wiki pages, the category is redundantly repeated. 21:05 thd wizzyrea: In the Koha MediaWiki installation, if you create a wiki page with a particular name and a category with exactly the same name, any pages linked from the wiki page with the name have the category applied to them automatically. 21:02 thd Hmm, the explanation might actually be different on closer examination. 21:00 cait i don't understand either, but glad you found out what you needed to know :) 21:00 thd cait+++ 20:59 wizzyrea I am glad you understand what you just said there, thd. 20:59 wizzyrea just saw something about a typo 20:59 thd cait: You found the solution. The namespace distinction between wiki pages and categories with the same name is not being respected for category assignment to wiki pages as interpreted by Category Breadcrumb and possibly other aspects of our wiki installation. 20:59 cait i think it was a typo that got fixed 20:59 wizzyrea yeah 20:59 cait from the meeting? 20:59 wizzyrea was there something on the website that needed fixing? 20:58 cait hi wizzyrea 20:55 wizzyrea hi 20:55 wizzyrea hi 20:35 thd I will try toggling the categories in the page to see if the namespace difference between wiki pages and categories is not being respected. 20:34 thd Thanks cait 20:34 thd cait: Maybe you have found the problem. 20:33 thd You can remove all categories from a page and disable the CategorySelect extension or examine the source without a login and yet the mysterious assignment persists. 20:32 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings is a page with that title 20:32 magnuse sorry goota put kiddo to bed 20:32 magnuse yeah, i would think it was done manually 20:32 thd cait: Yes, but checking it is redundant with the mysterious automated assignment. 20:32 cait so i might have done it manually, not sure about an automatism 20:31 cait hm i think i used to set that - by checking it 20:31 thd cait: Yes, certainly one of the categories. The mysterious part is that the category has been applied to the page automatically without there being any evidence of automatic invocation in the pages themselves. 20:31 cait actually,... i should sleep instead :) 20:30 cait like a backlink? 20:30 cait hm could that happen by listing them on the page automatically? 20:30 thd magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Category:IRC_Meetings&diff=1048&oldid=23 20:29 cait or not sure, thought it was one of the categories 20:28 cait hm i think not mysteriously 20:26 thd fetching example 20:26 thd magnuse: Yes, the problem which I have been trying to solve is that all IRC meeting pages in the wiki have the category 'IRC meeting' applied mysteriously. 20:25 magnuse got an example? where did i use it? 20:25 thd magnuse: Yes that seems reasonable. 20:25 magnuse thd: lol. i did that? 20:24 magnuse thd: if i recall correctly, that would be substituted with the name of the current page 20:24 thd magnuse: I am merely trying to understand what you were trying to do in when you used such syntax in 2010. 20:24 thd magnuse: Do you know what the purpose of the use of the MediaWiki magic word 'PAGENAME' would have? 20:24 magnuse thd: what are you trying to do there? 20:24 * khall has to run! later all! 20:23 thd magnuse: [[Category:whatever parentcategory|{{PAGENAME}}]] 20:23 magnuse community++ 20:22 khall thanks to everyone who's donated so far! You all rock! 20:22 thd magnuse: You may have some special insight about the following MediaWiki syntax. 20:22 magnuse and don't forget https://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop 20:21 magnuse cait++ 20:21 magnuse thd: barely :-) 20:21 Teejay Good nite 20:21 cait and for helping me out here and there :) 20:21 thd magnuse: are you still here? 20:21 davidnind cait++ 20:21 * Joubu is going to eat... 20:21 cait thx all for attending 20:21 ColinC thx 20:20 Joubu thanks cait 20:20 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.log.html 20:20 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.txt 20:20 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.html 20:20 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 20:20:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:20 cait #endmeeting 20:20 cait thx everyone! 20:20 cait #agreed next meeting is going to be Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC 20:20 khall lol 20:20 davidnind fine with me http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+IRC+General+Meeting&iso=20150506T10 20:20 thd 10 UTC is early for me but that is fine. 20:20 talljoy not i 20:20 cait i think everyone has fallen asleep by now :) 20:20 cait ok 20:19 thd I favour the suggestion. 20:19 cait thd: not sure what time that is for you -- do you disfavour the suggestion? 20:19 cait Please indicate if this time and date are ok for you: Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC 20:19 thd I disfavour late afternoon or evening times for the first Wednesday of the month. 20:18 cait ok 20:18 Joubu 18 March 2015 was at 10:00 UTC 20:18 Joubu yep 20:18 cait i am not sure 20:18 thd Would that be 10 UTC? 20:18 Joubu yep 20:17 cait that would be a wednesday again 20:17 cait may 6th? 20:17 cait #topic Set time for next meeting 20:16 cait #agreed We agree on the list of names with 9 votes yes - no 'no' or other votes 20:16 cait hm 20:16 cait #agreed 9 votes yes - no other votes 20:15 cait hm he is alive 20:15 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 20:15 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #92: "<schuster> Why even learn when there is a genius in the room..." (added by jwagner at 01:43 PM, August 27, 2010) 20:15 gmcharlt @quote random 20:15 davidnind #showvote 20:15 cait i count 9 20:15 * cait glares at huginn 20:15 cait hm 20:15 huginn` Voted on "Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page?" Results are 20:15 cait #endvote 20:13 cait #info the listed names at this point are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner 20:13 cait getting a bit late here :) 20:13 cait thx magnuse, yes 20:13 cait #vote yes 20:13 magnuse and the names are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner - unless i am mistaken? 20:12 davidnind #vote Yes 20:12 thd #vote Yes 20:12 Joubu #vote yes 20:12 magnuse #vote Yes 20:11 akafred #vote yes 20:11 ColinC #vote Yes 20:11 khall #vote Yes 20:11 talljoy #vote Yes 20:11 cait not sure i phrased that well, hope you all know what i meant 20:11 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:11 huginn` Begin voting on: Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:11 cait #startvote Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page? 20:10 cait maybe needs to be a question? 20:10 cait hmm 20:10 huginn` Unable to parse vote topic and options. 20:10 cait #startvote vote yes if you agree with the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page, please. 20:09 cait i found it 20:08 cait thx davidnind :) 20:08 cait and does someone remember the command? :) 20:08 cait any veto on having a vote? 20:08 khall yes 20:08 cait khall: is this just general agreement to the names listed so far? 20:08 davidnind this has been fixed 20:08 cait thx Joubu 20:07 Joubu it seems to be fixed 20:07 cait quick survey - do people agree to have a vote? 20:07 Joubu cait: I think it was a typo on the bug number 12954 20:07 davidnind http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015.2015-03-11-10.02.log.html 10:15:53 20:07 cait #Topic Next steps in Fundraising 20:07 cait we will just consider it done i guess :) 20:07 cait ok 20:06 cait does someone remember the typo? :) 20:06 khall np! 20:06 cait khall: ah sorry, we can switch the topic back in a moment 20:05 cait the second... i don't remember what it was about 20:05 khall cait: would a vote of approval be appropriate? 20:05 cait first hasn't been done yet, but rmaints might hold it until shortly before release, not sure 20:05 cait someone to fix typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ 20:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible. 20:04 cait mtj and slef to backport bug 12954 if no-one does it faster 20:04 cait I see on the logs from last meeting: 20:04 khall If everyone approves of the names on the list, bag will tall for a meeting next week to get the committee moving forward 20:04 cait #topic Actions from last meeting 20:03 cait moving on? 20:03 cait np :) 20:03 khall I'm afraid I'm not aware of that one way or the other 20:03 cait khall: do you know of the mou signing has been done? 20:02 magnuse yay! 20:02 cait #info we got 4 volunteers! 20:01 khall Brendan believe this is enough to get things moving and he's glad to have everyone on board! 20:01 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 20:00 khall I know that there have been 4 volunteers 20:00 khall lol 20:00 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 20:00 talljoy khall? 19:59 cait is someone here to talk about the progress on this? 19:59 cait #topic Next steps in Fundraising 19:59 wahanui i heard next topic was a tricky one... 19:59 cait next topic? 19:58 cait #action thd to put a call for bids on the mailing list at the beginning of next week 19:58 cait thx thd 19:58 cait thx thx 19:58 thd I intend to create a page and put a call on the mailing list at the beginning of the week. 19:57 cait start 19:57 cait not sure solicit = stat? 19:57 thd They were in the last meeting. 19:57 cait #info from last meeting's logs: AGREED: solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September (slef, 10:43:22) 19:56 cait date for proposals i mean 19:56 cait does someone have a link? 19:56 cait actually not sure - i thought we had set dates 19:56 cait drojf: ? 19:56 cait #topic KohaCon16 19:55 Teejay Thank you so much 19:55 cait moving on? 19:55 cait thx for giving us an update :) 19:54 Teejay Other arrangements are progressing 19:53 cait anything else should add to the meeting logs? 19:53 cait #info international participants should register early to allow for enough time for visa processing 19:52 Teejay Say about a month 19:52 cait Teejay: do you know how long the visa process usually takes? 19:51 Teejay Early registration by International participants will allow for Visa processing 19:50 cait :) 19:50 talljoy yay!! 19:50 Teejay Nigerian Librarians are already registering for the conference 19:49 cait #info Call for papers - http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/call-for-papers/ 19:49 Teejay We are expecting response to Call for Papers 19:48 Teejay Yes 19:48 cait Teejay: still around? 19:48 cait #topic KohaCon15 19:47 cait anything else here? 19:46 cait #info release team shaping up - still looking for translation manager, rmaint 3.16 and RM 19:46 tcohen and thanks, everyone 19:46 tcohen will read the logs! 19:46 cait but i think we will find volunteers to fill those roles 19:46 tcohen I need to leave, sorry for that 19:45 thd One wiki issue for an immutable category assignment is stumping me and I will ask about it on the mailing lists. 19:44 cait ssh huginn 19:44 cait we are missing a translation manager currently, rmaint 3.16 and RM 19:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13939: ILS-DI function GetServices doesn't work when the item/biblio is available... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bde795f8fa488a2284d1d23667fb489bea6343f9> / Bug 13800 - Diacritics not mapped <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e136b4f9fc58ebdb10fdb7b465467cffd032169> / Bug 6950: Hide the resort option when searching for a tag <http://git.koha-community. 19:43 tcohen yeah, thanks everyone 19:43 thd I am about to add a reordered version of my previous revised proposal for wiki curator, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth . 19:43 cait lots of people have already signed up, thx everyone! 19:42 cait elections are going to be held at the next regular meeting i think - may 19:42 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.22 19:41 cait #topic Nominations for 3.22 19:40 tcohen yup 19:40 cait ok,moving on to nominations? 19:40 cait #info GBSD on Monday April 13 19:39 magnuse feel free :-) 19:39 khall heh 19:39 cait can in #info the gbsd? 19:39 cait wonder if the minutes will explode now :) 19:39 cait #info bug fixes that need sign off http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_severity&f1=bug_severity&f2=bug_severity&list_id=126799&o1=notequals&o2=notequals&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=Needs%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature 19:38 Joubu sorry for the ugly link... 19:38 magnuse ok, i'll announce it tomorrow 19:38 Joubu bugfixes in the NSO queue is http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_severity&f1=bug_severity&f2=bug_severity&list_id=126799&o1=notequals&o2=notequals&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=Needs%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature 19:37 khall if that's enough time I say go for it! 19:37 magnuse monday 13th? 19:37 tcohen so we fill their queue 19:37 cait hmm not sure, maybe before? 19:37 tcohen magnuse: next monday? 19:37 Joubu before 19:36 magnuse i can organize a gbsd if people want - but should it be before or after the qa sprint? 19:35 wahanui i heard gbsd was Global Bug Squashing Day - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-11-15_Global_bug_squashing_day 19:35 cait magnuse: gbsd? 19:35 cait #action cait to send an email to the mailing list about the QA event 19:35 cait #info The QA team is going to have a 'QA sprint/QA day' on April 17 - mailing list email coming soon 19:34 cait well... our mission is to empty it out, but I hope for many sign offs before :) 19:34 cait so the mission for that is... fill up our queue! 19:34 cait I am going to send an email to the mailing list 19:34 cait we are going to have a "QA sprint" or "QA day" friday next week - 17 April 19:34 tcohen magnuse: please :-D 19:33 cait actually.. that's my third thing :) 19:33 cait one bug a day.. or every other day... that would help a lot 19:33 cait please make time 19:33 magnuse would a bug squashing day motivate anyone? 19:33 tcohen good 19:33 Joubu I think you can filter by NSO + not enh and not ft + author=me 19:32 cait 47 bug fixes 19:32 magnuse i think it was at 99, briefly 19:32 cait and we are up to almost 170 again 19:32 magnuse Joubu++ 19:32 cait we had it down to about 100 19:32 cait in general the 'needs sign off' queue has grown quite a bit again since marseille 19:32 tcohen should we have a saved search for those? 19:32 cait it's awesome to see those old one finally bite the dust 19:32 tcohen Joubu++ 19:32 cait Joubu++ 19:31 cait #info Lots of bugfixes for old bugs <#7000 are waiting for sign off - please help get them into 3.20 19:31 cait actually that was kind of my second thing :) 19:31 cait yep 19:31 Joubu this is related to release, isn't it? 19:30 Joubu Most of them are trivial to test/qa. It could be very good to see them ready for 3.20 19:30 cait aaaah thx Joubu 19:30 Joubu I submited quite a few bugfixes for old bugs (#<7000) last week. 19:30 cait nope update on releases 19:30 Joubu still in the announcements? 19:30 cait moving on? 19:30 cait #info Times for the Dev meeting are 15 and 22 UTC 19:29 * rangi is out again 19:29 tcohen =D 19:29 cait #ageed ColinC is now able to Pass QA on SIP related patches - thx ColinC! 19:29 rangi yeah the 22UTC one is ok 19:28 tcohen unless this time works for kiwis 19:28 Joubu That's a good thing, I think only khall knows the SIP code in the QAers... 19:28 tcohen thd: 15 UTC and 22 UTC as usual 19:27 cait or does someone insist on a formal vote? 19:27 thd What are the times of the devel meeting on the 15th? 19:27 cait so i think we can have that as agreed? :) 19:27 cait heh 19:27 magnuse ColinC++ 19:27 khall do first, permission later, that's my motto 19:26 cait hehe 19:26 talljoy ColinC++ 19:26 cait khall: I DID check with him before ;) 19:26 khall ColinC++ 19:26 cait thx a lot :) 19:26 tcohen ColinC++ 19:26 cait ColinC++ 19:26 akafred ColinC++ 19:26 ColinC I'm ok with it 19:26 cait it's ok with him- he said :) 19:26 rangi we can decide that if he wants to we are ok with it 19:26 khall lol 19:26 talljoy heh 19:25 akafred :) 19:25 tcohen if he's not around, it is the right time to make this decision 19:25 cait he has been QA manager in the past - i think he knows what to do :) 19:25 cait to improve the situation a bit, I suggest that can ColinC can also pass QA on SIP related patches 19:24 cait one of the 'bottlenecks' in qa are the sip related patches 19:24 cait ok, I have 2 things 19:24 khall rangi++ 19:24 cait tcohen++ 19:24 tcohen rangi++ 19:24 cait rangi++ 19:23 cait #action tcohen will update the wiki about the dev meeting 19:23 rangi nothing much to report about 3.18, 3.18.6 is shaping up fine, quite a few good fixes in it, string freeze on the 15th as normal 19:23 cait ok 19:23 tcohen hi rangi 19:23 tcohen will update the wiki for the email list announcement 19:23 rangi dealing with kids 19:23 rangi only sorta here 19:22 cait #info Developer meeting, Wednesday, 15 April https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics 19:20 tcohen https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics 19:20 tcohen here goes the link 19:20 tcohen i haven't put things there yet :-D 19:19 tcohen it would be a two sessions meeting 19:19 akafred ... and a trello link 19:19 cait can i info a date and time? :) 19:19 tcohen no, I'm doing it on the Trello 19:19 Joubu with the topics you want to discuss 19:19 Joubu tcohen: Did you create the wiki page yet? 19:18 tcohen and also coordinate efforts towards making important stuff in in time 19:18 cait #info 3.20 is in good shape, tcohen is going to push more patches tomorrow 19:18 wahanui hmmm... 15th is your fault... 19:18 cait 15th? 19:18 tcohen to make a couple decisions 19:18 cait tcohen++ 19:18 tcohen i'm calling for a dev meeting next wednesday 19:18 magnuse tcohen++ 19:17 tcohen 3.20 is in good shape so far, I expect to resume pushing features and enhancements tomorrow 19:17 cait i think our release maintainers are not here for those 2? 19:17 cait something 3.16 or 3.18? 19:17 * cait fixes that 19:16 cait i notice i put my proposal in the wrong line :) 19:16 cait #topic Updates on releases 19:16 cait moving on? 19:16 cait #info apologies from bag for not being able to attend 19:15 cait #info khall started a gofundme to help Tomas buy a new laptop: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop 19:15 cait i should do infos, bad chair 19:15 cait we do :) 19:14 talljoy :-D we love you tcohen 19:14 khall Many of us ByWater folks have already chipped in. Thanks to everyone who's donated so far! 19:14 tcohen thanks guys 19:13 magnuse khall++ 19:13 khall I just let him know a few minutes ago, I didn't want to surprise him *that* much 19:13 cait something else? :) 19:13 tcohen i love you folks, i'm still crying at the office, embarrased 19:12 cait khall++ 19:12 khall If anyone can chip in, I'm sure it would be appriciated! 19:12 khall This was done without his prior consent or knowlege ; ) 19:11 khall The second one is that I started a gofundme to help out Tomas: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop 19:11 magnuse get well soon, bag! 19:11 tcohen oh 19:11 cait oh, hope he feels better soon 19:10 khall First, Brendan wanted me to extend his apologies to everyone for not being able to be here today. He's out sick. 19:10 cait :) 19:10 khall I've got a couple announcements 19:09 * barton is getting visited randomly by the reboot fairy. If I disappear, it is because he/she/it is having fun at my expense. 19:09 cait #topic Announcements 19:09 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 19:08 wahanui agenda is a wiki 19:08 tcohen agenda? 19:08 cait changing topic 19:08 cait ok :) 19:08 larryb #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions 19:07 drojf cait: that does not help :D 19:07 barton #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA 19:07 magnuse #info Magnus Enger. Libriotech. Norway 19:07 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria 19:07 cait drojf: it's only 9! 19:06 akafred #info Kjetil "Fred" JD, OPL, Norway 19:06 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre 19:06 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto ByWater Solutions 19:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [nolonger freezing] 19:06 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany, almost asleep 19:06 talljoy #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions 19:06 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe 19:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 19:05 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England 19:05 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 19:05 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba 19:05 cait please introduce yourself with #info 19:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:05 cait #topic Introductions 19:05 cait ah sorry 19:05 cait #introductions 19:05 thd Teejay: someone needs to issue the startmeeting command. 19:05 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015' 19:05 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:05 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 8 19:05:19 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 April 2015 19:04 thd Hmmm, cait maybe you should send a reminder if your posts appear in real time. 19:04 cait Teejay: one sec please :) 19:04 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria 19:04 cait we should begin? 19:04 cait anyway 19:04 tcohen Joubu: we need to talk to users to come up with the best ideas me think 19:03 cait i think only moderated if not subscribed 19:03 cait hm in my experience it's pretty fast 19:03 thd cait: The mailing list is moderated somewhat. There are no quick reminders to the mailing list unless you have the attention of a moderator. 19:02 cait so... meeting? now? :) 19:02 thd I checked for a reminder last time and thus did not send my own but forgot to look this time. 19:01 cait maybe someone could send a quick note now? 19:01 cait no reminder on the mailing list - we miss oleonard 19:01 Joubu I get a lot of silly idea tonight 19:01 cait unless my calculations are wrong... wouldn't be the first time 19:01 Joubu default value for 008 would be "?????? xxu???????eng" 19:01 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 19:00 thd Is there a meeting now? 19:00 cait i think we should have the meeting? :) 19:00 Joubu Certainly quite tricky... 19:00 Joubu and what about add the support of regex in the fw default values? 18:59 thd We should teach all Koha cataloguers to code and all Koha programmer's to catalogue :) 18:59 Joubu there are no check on prefs 18:59 tcohen maybe we should re-engineer the plugins, so they expose their fixed lenght fields to the fw edit tool 18:58 thd Joubu: Is there a form to control input and prevent breaking the JavaScript preference? 18:58 Joubu it's not a good solution, I know. But better than a pref per subdivision of the 008 field... 18:57 Joubu thd: a tip could be added to the wiki 18:57 cait and we have a jquery library :) 18:57 Joubu thd: not in the plugin, in the js pref 18:56 cait i like Joubu's 18:56 tcohen heh 18:56 tcohen ^^^ that 18:56 thd Joubu: Certainly, however, modifying the plugin directly would be less accessible to non-programmer cataloguers. 18:56 tcohen .-P 18:56 cait hm ok, can't send email, can't get records from z39.50... after people changed security settings 18:56 tcohen Joubu: librarians don't (usually, there are exceptions) have your super powers 18:55 Joubu (or put $("#f15-17").val("XXX"); into the js pref ...) 18:55 thd tcohen: Certainly features should be created in MARC semantics [Koha marcflavor] agnostic manner. 18:53 thd A solution using existing features might be to populate some value lists and have a Koha MARC framework specified plugin use an appropriate value list with containing one element or an ordered set with a default. 18:53 tcohen (at some point) 18:53 tcohen like it happened with the XSLT funtionalities 18:52 tcohen feature-wise 18:52 tcohen my fear is that if we accept this kind of features we would leave unimarc behind 18:51 tcohen we already have DefaultLanguageField008 18:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 18:51 tcohen cait: bug 13912 18:50 cait what do we want to do that is currently not possible? 18:50 tcohen cait: you put a default value for all your positions 18:50 cait i think i am missign something here 18:50 tcohen thd: that's what I was thinking 18:50 * cait didn't hack anything 18:50 thd tcohen: A framework specific plugin could be modified to use default values contextually. A new column might be needed to specify the default value for the framework. 18:50 tcohen i'm not sure how much would be shared between dialects 18:49 tcohen thd: does it make any sense? 18:48 tcohen cait: don't hack your own koha to do nasty things 18:48 cait i think 18:48 cait i have done that too 18:48 tcohen but we are talking about fixed lenght fields 18:48 thd Koha MARC frameworks can currently specify plugins and value lists. 18:47 tcohen cait: it works for subfields 18:47 cait i am not sure i understand, i better try to sort my brain before the meeting 18:47 cait or it's not needed? 18:47 cait i wonder why we need the pref - maybe the plugin is interfering? 18:47 tcohen thd: idiomatic issues, as usual :-D 18:46 cait you can set subfields and also control fields to a defualt value in the framework 18:46 tcohen cait: don't know what you're talking about 18:46 * thd now understands what tcohen wants. 18:46 tcohen thd: i'm thinking if we could easily extend it 18:46 cait did we try? 18:46 cait woudl that work here? 18:46 cait in the frameworks 18:45 cait hm we have a default value 18:45 tcohen thd: i know 18:45 tcohen cait: people cataloguing student thesis might want german as default, and english for book 18:45 thd tcohen: There is no provision within the Koha MARC frameworks to specify a default value for anything. 18:45 wahanui ideas are good :) 18:45 tcohen ideas? 18:44 tcohen framework-wise :-P 18:44 tcohen then have a more general "default country"ç 18:44 cait hm not sure about per framework 18:44 tcohen if unimarc has a fixed position on some field that correlates to 008 15-17 18:43 thd tcohen: Do you mean shared between MARC21, UNIMARC, etc.? 18:43 tcohen heh 18:43 thd tcohen: What do you mean by "shared between dialects"? 18:43 tcohen like default main language, default country, etc 18:42 tcohen we could have some stuff that is shared between dialects 18:42 thd tcohen: Do you mean via a plugin specified by the framework? 18:42 tcohen we currently have fw code (e.g. BKS) and description (e.g. Books, Booklets, Workbooks) 18:42 tcohen for example, adding more options when editing a framework 18:41 thd tcohen: How would you prefer a default country code be specified? 18:41 tcohen so I was thinking of propsing it be done framework-wise 18:41 tcohen i'd like a dialect-gnostic solution 18:39 tcohen and I know "we've done that before" (i.e. for language positions) 18:39 tcohen i don't like the solution 18:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 18:39 tcohen i'm looking at bug 13912 18:39 thd tcohen: What do you need to know about UNIMARC? 18:38 tcohen is there any unimarc people around? 18:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13896: (QA followup) fix koha-{stop|restart}-zebra too <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05d57a1880bd164f727a772e113bacb779b9f91d> / Bug 13875: Columns configuration - Allow underscore in table name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94836adbfb1387fe3c359212ae8faaf8fcfe6654> / Bug 13864: Fix height for Colvis entries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k 15:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13919 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Renewal possible with item level hold on item 15:32 cait bug 13919 - would be good to get a sign off 15:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11239 - show hour of due date in history circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fa0f6f4ab2c2492309db92fed2d34d148d9ffd3> / Bug 13882: Tidy t/Borrower.t to fix whitespace errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=565b97924e1fe30640744cc42faa6fffcbdbeeee> / Bug 13882 : Adding new unit tests in t/Borrower.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g 15:21 * chris_n goes off on a transient sign-off tangent 15:18 cait just logging in probably won't do it 15:18 TGoat I like huggin better :D 15:18 cait in order to get her laters she needs to say something in channel 15:17 huginn` TGoat: The operation succeeded. 15:17 TGoat @later tell druthb druthb_away .. Please contact Todd Goatley-Seals @ ByWater. Call 775-335-7940. Thanks! 15:17 cait TGoat: maybe try emailing her if you haven't yet? 15:17 tcohen I'd also like the Koha::Version patch 15:16 TGoat Koha .. if anyone sees that druthb_away has entered the room and can remember will you please ask her to contact Todd @ ByWater @ 775-335-7940. I'd really appreciate it :D I'll create another @later for her. Thank you! 15:14 tcohen sure! 15:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9978 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Update GNU licenses header in Koha files from GPL2 to GPL3 15:13 Joubu tcohen: maybe bug 9978 would be a good candidate for 3.20 15:12 * chris_n doesn't really care what its call so long as it works better than what is currently in place ;-) 15:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13967 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , System preferences need a package 15:10 chris_n bug 13967 14:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7561 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , cannot fast catalog with fast cataloging permissions 14:56 cait bug 7561 14:47 * tcohen likes 7561! 14:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7561: Redirect to the add items form if it's a fast cataloging <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c16e19b3fdff71e20db1df036931d96dfabcce4d> / ug 7561: Fast cataloging - Allow add/edit items and delete record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3183f16e55f251003583a741b06bdfa635b1f07> / Bug 8246: Allow deleting record if no more items <http://git.koha-community 14:41 khall yeah, I like it 14:40 Joubu khall: imo Koha::Config::SysPrefs is perfect 14:39 tcohen call for dev meeting? 14:36 khall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis 14:32 cait i haven't read the bug mail today yet, so not sure what i am getting myself into :) 14:32 cait administration? 14:32 khall ahh! More choices! ; ) 14:32 cait ignore capitalization 14:32 cait khall: koha::Admin::Sysprefs maybe? 14:31 cait fridolin: why do you want to kill it? 14:31 cait fridolin: not really - it's a display thing that is framework specific 14:27 khall I think Koha::Config::SysPrefs seems just fine. 14:26 khall for what it's worth, I have no problem changing the namespace of Koha::SysPref. I just hope we can agree on something without *too* much debate ; ) 14:20 fridolin cant we replace this by a classic "Koha to marc mapping" ? 14:20 fridolin thanks cait 14:16 cait fridolin: it should be in quite a few places in the code 14:16 cait fridolin: it's still in use - the keyword supported is SUBTITLE i think 14:15 tcohen khall++ 14:15 chris_n khall++ # for getting the ball rolling 14:12 khall np! I should have caught that 14:12 tcohen i'm sorry for that 14:12 tcohen i mean, have a constructive exchange on the bug instead of grumpy comments 14:12 khall absolutely! 14:12 tcohen khall: could you please attach a patch with fixed pod for the sysprefs package bug? need to calm mtompset down 14:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13879: Fix sort on patron search (guarantor and linked to orders) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0526eb4dfb14f81fe27e1499adfa18559de03a21> / Bug 13923: The prefetch used on existing constraint <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fb73b9abf751fa9cbdb51c79cfc6327a3c3d420> / Bug 13850: Fix typo in C4::Ris <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 13:57 fridolin Could we consider it is obsolete ? 13:57 fridolin Does someone use "Keyword to MARC mapping" to customize ?* 13:44 Joubu I hope nothing :) 13:44 Joubu hum? 13:42 tcohen what are we breaking? 13:42 wahanui yep. 13:42 Joubu tcohen: yep? 13:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13497 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , The pref AddPatronLists should be removed 13:41 tcohen Joubu: bug 13497 13:38 tcohen just add a followup with (QA followup) on the subject, i'll sign and push it 13:38 Jul tcohen : Ok thanks, i'm coming to see that 13:37 tcohen Jul: ok? 13:37 drojf hi cait :) 13:37 tcohen tiny and simple fixes needed 13:36 * cait waves at drojf 13:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13940 trivial, P5 - low, ---, julian.fiol, Failed QA , Testing C4::OAI::Sets 13:36 tcohen i commented on bug 13940 13:35 Jul tcohen : Yes ? 13:34 tcohen Jul? 13:34 tcohen is julian fiol around? 13:29 drojf ah found it http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 13:29 drojf there is a meeting today, right? 13:27 tcohen yup, it seems 13:27 drojf hi tcohen. still quiet around here? 13:25 tcohen hi drojf 13:23 drojf hi #koha 12:50 paul_p hi tcohen (& others) 12:50 tcohen morning paul_p 12:35 cait it was just something i fell over reseraching 12:35 cait not sure i get it :) but you can probably forget about my later too 12:32 tcohen :P 12:32 tcohen P 12:32 tcohen about SMTH authentication 12:29 cait tcohen: huh? 12:16 tcohen cait: maybe something that uses http://perldoc.perl.org/Net/SMTP.html then 12:15 tcohen morning #koha 12:03 barton morning mario! 12:02 mario morning barton 11:58 khall mornin! 11:57 mario Morning khall 11:18 khall mornin magnuse! 11:18 magnuse kia ora khall 10:59 khall mornin all! 09:30 cait Joubu: that was exactly the problem- finally got my overdue notice out :) 09:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results 09:29 nlegrand I messed around some more with bug 13957 but it's signed off ^^ 09:29 nlegrand :) 09:28 cait nlegrand++ :) 09:28 cait yep i think that was the problem, cross fingers :) 09:28 nlegrand re 09:26 Joubu cait: you have to check at least 1 mtt 09:26 cait it works on our other installations, just my test installation is stubborn 09:25 cait i think it might be because email was not checked - in the triggers 09:23 Joubu no error? try with the verbose flag 09:22 Joubu cait: a print notice? 09:17 cait I have an overdue item - due date yesterday, my notice trigger is set to 1 as delay... no holidays in the calendar, running the overdues script with -t 09:17 cait hm that's didn't fix it :( 09:15 cait ooh, got an idea 09:15 cait any ideas why my overdue notice wouldn't print? 08:56 magnuse nlegrand++ 08:33 cait kind of - just the circulation tab this time :) 08:33 cait same area 08:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results 08:33 cait bug 13957 08:33 Joubu yep! 08:33 nlegrand cait: :) ok 08:33 nlegrand Joubu: it should be better now 08:33 cait nlegrand: i have another easy one 08:31 nlegrand oups 08:31 Joubu signoff-by 08:31 Joubu nlegrand: you forgot your signoff line 08:30 Joubu nlegrand: thanks! 08:30 nlegrand Joubu: done :) 08:30 nlegrand cait: shhhhhhh 08:30 nlegrand ^^ 08:26 cait nlegrand: it's a good tactics - grab the easy ones before someone else does ;) 08:26 nlegrand Joubu: ho that's a bit why I proposed to do it ^^ 08:25 Joubu it's really easy to test and confirm the issue :) 08:25 cait :) 08:25 nlegrand I'm ok to try it 08:25 nlegrand :) 08:24 cait and the one joubu points out is a good start - bug 13936 08:24 cait yeah in general - some bugs need sign off people! 08:24 cait hi nlegrand 08:23 nlegrand Hey #koha 08:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13936 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix patrons search on using the checkout tab 08:22 Joubu Could we get a signoff on bug 13936 please? It's a critical and a patch is sent for 1 week now 07:28 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:28 dcook night all 07:28 dcook Anyway, I'm off 07:27 dcook I call 'em like I see 'em :p 07:27 * dcook shrugs 07:26 akafred ... which is why one usually use the cache-control-header along side the expiry header. 07:26 dcook Or nothing too glaring if they did exist 07:26 dcook I've never seen a problem with not clearing cookies or sessions though I don't think... 07:23 dcook We have a few hospitals with some heavy duty cacheing that can be tough to beat without using query strings on the CSS and Javascript... 07:22 dcook Actually, the mod_expires might be problematic when their are proxy servers in the way as well 07:22 dcook We usually have to get them to clear their cache on major upgrades though 07:22 dcook Well, it's certainly suboptimal in my books :) 07:21 akafred Requiring users to delete cookies and cache routinely on upgrades is kinda ... harsh. 07:21 magnuse ashimema: ta 07:20 dcook also to clone myself so one of us can stay at work 07:20 * dcook needs to head home! 07:19 ashimema i.e. telephone meetings 07:19 dcook akafred: Interesting. I don't know if I've encountered that one. I've seen a few cases where things like that aren't always honoured by browsers 07:19 ashimema tc's = 'tele-conferances' 07:19 fridolin It was a local anastesia on one leg 07:19 magnuse ashimema: "tc's"? 07:19 ashimema yikes.. hope that heals nice for you 07:18 fridolin thanks ;) 07:18 magnuse fridolin: ouch! hope it mends well! 07:18 fridolin yep 07:18 dcook fridolin: Hope you're feeling slightly better today! 07:16 akafred fridolin: Ouch! 07:16 akafred Hm. Seems mod_expires can be used: debian/templates/apache_shared.conf contains: <IfModule mod_expires.c>ExpiresByType application/javascript "access plus 12 hours"... But that still leaves the cookies. 07:14 fridolin nothing big, just had a ankle broken 07:13 fridolin I just come out from a day at the hospital so I a bit sleepy 07:13 ashimema too many tc's 07:12 ashimema must have spent 9 hours or so on the phone yesterday all in all.. 07:12 BobB That will be 5am here magnuse. I will be an apology. :) 07:12 ashimema I'm all done in on meetings at the minute.. 07:12 dcook salut fridolin 07:12 fridolin bonjour tout le monde 07:12 magnuse bonjour fridolin 07:12 magnuse meeting in slightly less than 12 hours, if i am not mistaken: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 07:11 wahanui i guess ashimema is on qa now .) 07:11 dcook hey ashimema 07:11 magnuse kia ora ashimema 07:10 ashimema morning 07:04 * dcook retreats back into the shadows 07:04 dcook Similar reasoning for cookies and sessions I'm sure. The structure of each might've changed with the version upgrade, so it makes sense to wipe them with the upgrade 07:04 * dcook might submit that patch someday 07:04 dcook Of course, that's why some folks append query strings to their CSS and Javascript which is tied to their version to force cache updates... 07:04 dcook It can screw things up for major upgrades 07:03 dcook akafred: The cache because of cached CSS and Javascript 07:03 akafred wizzyrea: You wrote "It's worth noting that clearing the cache, cookies, and sessions should be standard procedure after *every* upgrade for every staff interface user." That sounds a bit ... wow. Why? 07:02 dcook Version 4.03 makes things explode :( 07:00 dcook (Also what I use for the OAI client/harvester which is how I first noticed problems...) 07:00 dcook It's a set of modules that are used to create the OAI server 07:00 dcook magnuse: Yep 06:58 wahanui HTTP::OAI is pretty bare bones 06:58 magnuse dcook: HTTP::OAI? 06:49 dcook Whelp, at least I know that I wasn't the problem :p 06:43 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:43 dcook @later tell eythian Just ended up downgrading from 4.03 to 3.28 in the end, as 4.03 seems to not at all be production ready... 06:39 magnuse hiya dcook 06:28 dcook hola magnuse 06:24 * magnuse waves 06:10 dcook Wow... these HTTP::OAI tests are horrible 06:02 dcook laters 06:01 eythian time for me to go, later 05:59 dcook I think that we might have implemented the module incorrectly in some spots 05:59 dcook Actually, it might be that 4.03 is more strict in quite a few cases 05:56 dcook 3.28 was all right, but 4.03... yeesh 05:56 dcook Makes sense 05:56 eythian that's possibly related to why it's not in Debian then, if it doesn't pass the tests it doesn't build. 05:56 dcook Although it looks like the test for 4.03 are also not so great either 05:56 eythian ah good 05:56 dcook Looks like someone ran the tests for 4.03 and is getting the same error 05:55 dcook Good call, eythian 05:46 * dcook has no idea what $driver is supposed to be 05:46 dcook Or rather... requires $driver.. 05:45 dcook It seems to expect "$r->generate($driver);" now 05:45 dcook Unless I'm looking in the wrong spot.. 05:45 dcook The documentation says to use "$r->generate;" 05:45 dcook Profoundly 05:45 eythian ug that's annoying 05:44 dcook Or rather, the documentation is for the old version 05:43 * dcook 's brain may explode 05:43 dcook and no documentation... 05:43 dcook This module makes no sense :S 05:43 dcook What the ever living... 05:41 eythian http://v.theonion.com/onionstudios/video/1063/640.mp4 <-- a GoPro on a sparrow 05:41 dcook yes, go back to bed... preferably back in time! 05:40 wahanui http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif 05:40 eythian go back to bed 05:40 eythian hi cait 05:40 dcook yo cait 05:40 dcook Ahh wait.. 05:40 dcook wth... 05:36 dcook Hmm, I can do this.. 05:33 dcook Well, when you put it like that... 05:33 dcook O_O 05:33 dcook Error message: Can't call method "start_element" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/OAI/Verb.pm line 53. 05:33 dcook Let's see how fast I can work up a fix :p 05:33 eythian goody 05:33 dcook Lovely :D 05:32 dcook Yes, HTTP::OAI 4.03 seems to cripple Koha's OAI server 05:31 eythian heh 05:30 * dcook wishes that time grew on tree in his office 05:27 dcook With good reason 05:27 eythian so it probably sat at 3.27 for a while, and it was grabbed by jessie 05:27 eythian well debian doesn't update the versions within a release 05:27 dcook Actually, 3.23 and 3.27 are older than what's on CPAN as well. Interesting.. 05:26 dcook Had a feeling it be version 3. Hmm.. 05:26 dcook I'll have to double-check but I think Koha's OAI server might not work with HTTP::OAI version 4.03 05:26 eythian https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libhttp-oai-perl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all 05:25 dcook eythian: might you know which version of HTTP::OAI do the packages use? 05:21 dcook Still shouldn't be making an error in the first place though.. 05:21 dcook Actually, maybe it is supposed to return a HTTP::Response object... it's just not documented... and I didn't handle that error properly 05:16 dcook But when it gets an error it returns a HTTP::Response object rather than a HTTP::OAI::ListRecords object like it's supposed to... 05:15 dcook Oh man... it looks like HTTP::OAI::Harvester isn't happy with something... 05:10 dcook I think we've upgraded HTTP::OAI versions and that's already thrown up one thing that was my mistake 05:10 dcook Which means either I screwed up somewhere or HTTP::OAI is screwing up somewhere, me thinks 05:09 dcook The error I'm getting at the moment is: Can't locate object method "responseDate" via package "HTTP::Headers" at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/Message.pm line 644 05:08 dcook I think CPAN is missing a lot of info as well.. 05:07 dcook Hmm, I don't even know where the tests would be 05:06 dcook Yeah, HTTP::OAI has an interesting structure.. 05:06 eythian though, according to the doc it's a stub 05:05 * dcook goes and takes a look 05:05 wahanui it has been said that http::oai is pretty bare bones 05:05 eythian http::oai 05:05 dcook Well, obviously not mine.. 05:05 dcook Which? The one I made or the HTTP::OAI one? 05:05 eythian does the module pass its tests? 05:05 eythian that surprises me 05:05 eythian hmm ok 05:04 dcook This OAI harvester was working fine before this upgrade... 05:04 dcook Hmm, but I don't think that thing is core either 05:03 dcook Well, I should say something it relies on seems to have changed 05:03 eythian but it isn't core... 05:02 dcook Hmm, maybe it's just me, but HTTP::OAI looks like it might have some changes in Perl 5.20... 04:54 * Francesca waves goodbye 04:53 cdickinson Sounds good, me too, see you on Friday :) 04:53 wizzyrea cya :) 04:53 Francesca cdickinson I look forward to meeting you 04:52 Francesca right well I'll see you all on friday 04:51 Francesca I'm inside however 04:51 Francesca lol yeah 04:51 Francesca I've been putting up lots of photos of the cats on fb recently 04:51 cdickinson in this weather, it might be better if it was, active protection from rain x_x 04:50 wizzyrea naughty kitty. 04:50 Francesca my raincoat is alive 04:50 wizzyrea sweet :D 04:50 Francesca wizzyrea: I've done print styles before so the bug shouldn't be too hard 04:49 Francesca They're not generally allowed to do that 04:49 wahanui problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 04:49 cdickinson problem? 04:49 Francesca one of my cats has now completely cuddled up inside my raincoat 04:48 wizzyrea yeah that'd do :) 04:48 Francesca don't blame you 04:48 Francesca I'll just stick my head in after lunch maybe 04:48 wizzyrea I hope for quiet friday afternoons, generally. 04:48 Francesca sweet 04:48 wizzyrea I don't have a preference :) 04:48 Francesca whoops 04:48 Francesca wizzyrea: any time in particular on friday afternoon 04:48 Francesca wizzyrea: any particular time on friday afternoon? 04:46 Francesca my cat is now trying to eat the zipper off my jacket 04:46 Francesca cool 04:45 cdickinson after the bug is fixed, beer o'clock :p 04:45 * Francesca has been distracted by the arrival of a wet kitten 04:45 wizzyrea cooool 04:45 Francesca thats fine 04:45 Francesca yup 04:44 wizzyrea hm maybe Friday afternoon? 04:44 Francesca so I can come when it suits you 04:44 Francesca well I'm pretty much free for the next 2 weeks 04:43 wizzyrea just maybe not over chat. 04:43 wizzyrea we'll get you sorted out :) 04:42 eythian virtualbox shouldn't be slow 04:42 Francesca ok 04:42 wizzyrea well no, don't do thatl. 04:42 Francesca virtual box is very slow 04:42 Francesca I might look at different vm software 04:42 wizzyrea ah cool 04:42 Francesca on midterm break at the moment so free pretty much every day 04:41 wizzyrea there's a build for osx :P 04:41 Francesca I can come in anytime 04:41 wizzyrea for a vagrant VM? 04:41 wizzyrea maybe a job for one day when you can come in 04:41 eythian You know how it's tricky on redhat? OSX is 1000x worse for getting things installed. 04:41 wizzyrea yeah just close it out ;) 04:41 Francesca the vm is acting up 04:40 eythian it would be terrible 04:40 wizzyrea note I have no idea if anyone has tried with osx yet. 04:39 wizzyrea https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 04:39 wahanui i think the kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 04:39 Francesca whats the kohadevbox? 04:39 wizzyrea Francesca: you can try doing it with the kohadevbox 04:38 cdickinson or did you make another VM? 04:38 cdickinson but francesca_ is online? 04:38 Francesca is it possible to do the stuff on a mac 04:38 Francesca my internet doesn't appear to work in the vm 04:31 * francesca_ switches back to mac for links 04:30 francesca_ right can't see all that stuff in here 04:30 wizzyrea yep nw 04:30 Francesca Just switching to my vm now 04:30 Francesca yup ok 04:29 wizzyrea it'll spit out a pdf. 04:29 wizzyrea selecting "Print to file" as your printer 04:29 wizzyrea what I usually do, is print the output to PDF. In Ubuntu, you do that by 04:29 wizzyrea user: staff pass: staff1 04:28 wizzyrea http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl?viewshelf=3 < when you click "print list" that is the interface he's talking about. 04:27 * Francesca goes to start up the vm again 04:27 Francesca yup 04:27 wizzyrea you'd do that inside your VM 04:26 wizzyrea https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 04:26 wizzyrea Francesca: this will probably look a bit familiar 04:26 cdickinson hehe 04:26 wizzyrea well that's your step 1 :) 04:26 Francesca I don't have a running koha 04:25 Francesca oh 04:25 wizzyrea well you'll have to have a running koha, I can possibly show you on the demo though 04:25 Francesca so what webpage am I looking at? 04:23 cdickinson in terms of settings 04:23 cdickinson gedit can be a little hard to find what you need 04:23 Francesca just got bad eye sight 04:23 Francesca well nt really 04:22 Francesca I'm just blind 04:22 eythian you can certainly change the font size in gedit. 04:22 wizzyrea pft. be nice. 04:21 cdickinson zooming in? can't you change the DPI on Ubuntu? :P 04:21 francesca_ so I can just use that 04:21 francesca_ i have brackets on mac 04:21 eythian you probably have a dozen text editors on there 04:21 cdickinson gedit is the GNOME environment's default text editor 04:21 francesca_ can't zoom in 04:20 wahanui gedit is that like vi 04:20 wizzyrea gedit? 04:20 francesca_ actually dont have a txt editor on here so i might switch back to mac 04:20 cdickinson my main on my PC is Windows because PC games, and have everything else as VMs because dual-booting is a pain 04:19 cdickinson I have no preference, really 04:19 cdickinson :P 04:19 francesca_ yeah well my main operating system is mac os x 04:18 cdickinson but then you're not on ADSL2+ like I am 04:18 francesca_ got my vm up and running now so I can work on ubuntu 04:18 cdickinson for a second I thought your Internet died 04:18 * francesca_ waves 04:18 wizzyrea or what mark ended up doing 04:17 wizzyrea you can use what I did on 11574 as an example 04:17 Francesca I've just started my vm up 04:17 wizzyrea \o/ 04:17 Francesca I think I could do it 04:16 wizzyrea or a go, if you're feeling like it 04:16 wizzyrea have a think about it 04:16 wizzyrea yeah, exactly 04:16 Francesca and do a print stylesheet as well 04:16 wizzyrea we'll want to make a new bug, and link it to that one 04:16 Francesca hmmm i could fix that 04:16 wizzyrea to the print.css (and/or creating the print css for that page) 04:15 wizzyrea it's mostly CSS and adding display: none; type things 04:15 wizzyrea but it might not be terribly hard to do a similar thing for the lists in the intranet 04:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11574 normal, P5 - low, ---, liz, Passed QA , Clean up printing of lists in OPAC 04:15 wizzyrea bug 11574, he asked for the staff client and I gave him the OPAC (ok, that was dumb of me) 04:15 Francesca gotta start my vm 04:14 Francesca hold on 04:14 wizzyrea 1s 04:14 Francesca ok 04:14 wizzyrea about something in Koha you could look at 04:14 Francesca ok 04:14 wizzyrea I had a thought 04:14 wizzyrea actually Francesca 04:10 Francesca lol, I'll go and find another website to pretty up 04:09 cdickinson meanwhile I'll just sit here and get up to speed with Koha and everything haha 04:07 Francesca thanks 04:07 cdickinson but that is really awesome though, good luck with all that 04:06 cdickinson ah, right 04:04 Francesca I was singing with my high schools auditioned choir before that 04:04 Francesca I only joined this year so I wasn't invloved 04:03 cdickinson November 19, damn, wasn't in town on that day, cause I would have seen it otherwise 04:02 * Francesca doesn't know who nick cave is 04:02 Francesca lol yeah 04:02 eythian that is fairly different to Nick Cave 04:01 cdickinson oh, cool 04:01 Francesca https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVPm1vdWeQ this one 04:00 Francesca nope 03:59 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zLcaS76OtM <-- this Orpheus? 03:58 Francesca and have voice and piano lessons outside of uni 03:58 Francesca I sing with Orpheus 03:58 Francesca yup 03:58 cdickinson still keeping up with that, though? 03:58 cdickinson wow, I can't imagine, but yeah, I'll take your word for it 03:57 * dcook is a bit slow thanks to many uncooperative Tomcat instances... 03:57 dcook hey Francesca :) 03:56 Francesca and I was going for classical voice which is one of the hardest 03:56 Francesca it is really hard 03:55 cdickinson a couple of my engineering mates tried and failed 03:55 cdickinson well, you got in at all, that is an achievement 03:55 cdickinson ;-; 03:55 Francesca just didn't get in 03:55 Francesca I wanted to do performance though 03:55 cdickinson oh, okay 03:54 Francesca So just general theory papers, music history papers 03:54 Francesca music studies 03:54 * cdickinson assumed that's what people take music for... 03:54 cdickinson what are you doing, then? 03:53 Francesca but I'm not taking performance 03:53 Francesca lol yeah it is 03:52 cdickinson at least I'd know her soundtrack would be nice, cause getting into music at Vic is super competitive :P 03:52 Francesca I don't take any IT papers at uni, gotta keep my skills up somehow 03:52 cdickinson lol 03:52 Francesca Making websites look pretty is fun 03:51 Francesca hey dcook 03:51 wizzyrea and making our various web properties pretty. 03:51 Francesca lol 03:51 dcook :D 03:50 eythian Francesca is making the soundtrack for the project... 03:49 Francesca I'm studying music studies, first year in a BMus 03:49 Francesca I just do some volunteer part time work for koha 03:49 Francesca cool 03:48 cdickinson going to be working on Koha as part of my honours project 03:48 cdickinson Network Engineering, 4th year 03:48 Francesca what are you studying? 03:47 Francesca yeah I've got a few assignments I should do 03:46 cdickinson midterm break for uni? So am I, though I really don't have spare time haha 03:45 Francesca I'm on midterm break at the moment so lots of spare time 03:44 Francesca I might flick him an email 03:44 Francesca ok 03:43 cdickinson No, unfortunately, he had to leave cause one of his kids was sick 03:43 Francesca is rangi around 03:43 Francesca I'm at home so no worries 03:43 cdickinson I thought this desk was put in for me... oh well 03:42 eythian Hi Francesca. cdickinson is at your desk. 03:42 wahanui I love the 11th doctor! 03:42 wizzyrea hey Francesca 03:42 * Francesca waves 02:16 eythian https://youtu.be/sP-9SnG6g4E <-- holy crap, is that ever a cover version 02:13 wizzyrea lol. 02:08 eythian goodness, no branches have had any change since yesterday. Everyone must be on holiday. 02:01 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded. 02:01 rangi @later tell tcohen definitely if we can find a time that suits all 3 of us 02:01 rangi but ill help find them if they want to fly me over :) 02:00 rangi i think maybe we dont need to pick up all the nexpress updates :) 02:00 rangi https://twitter.com/kohails/status/585601901972082688