Time Nick Message 02:00 rangi https://twitter.com/kohails/status/585601901972082688 02:00 rangi i think maybe we dont need to pick up all the nexpress updates :) 02:01 rangi but ill help find them if they want to fly me over :) 02:01 rangi @later tell tcohen definitely if we can find a time that suits all 3 of us 02:01 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded. 02:08 eythian goodness, no branches have had any change since yesterday. Everyone must be on holiday. 02:13 wizzyrea lol. 02:16 eythian https://youtu.be/sP-9SnG6g4E <-- holy crap, is that ever a cover version 03:42 * Francesca waves 03:42 wizzyrea hey Francesca 03:42 wahanui I love the 11th doctor! 03:42 eythian Hi Francesca. cdickinson is at your desk. 03:43 cdickinson I thought this desk was put in for me... oh well 03:43 Francesca I'm at home so no worries 03:43 Francesca is rangi around 03:43 cdickinson No, unfortunately, he had to leave cause one of his kids was sick 03:44 Francesca ok 03:44 Francesca I might flick him an email 03:45 Francesca I'm on midterm break at the moment so lots of spare time 03:46 cdickinson midterm break for uni? So am I, though I really don't have spare time haha 03:47 Francesca yeah I've got a few assignments I should do 03:48 Francesca what are you studying? 03:48 cdickinson Network Engineering, 4th year 03:48 cdickinson going to be working on Koha as part of my honours project 03:49 Francesca cool 03:49 Francesca I just do some volunteer part time work for koha 03:49 Francesca I'm studying music studies, first year in a BMus 03:50 eythian Francesca is making the soundtrack for the project... 03:51 dcook :D 03:51 Francesca lol 03:51 wizzyrea and making our various web properties pretty. 03:51 Francesca hey dcook 03:52 Francesca Making websites look pretty is fun 03:52 cdickinson lol 03:52 Francesca I don't take any IT papers at uni, gotta keep my skills up somehow 03:52 cdickinson at least I'd know her soundtrack would be nice, cause getting into music at Vic is super competitive :P 03:53 Francesca lol yeah it is 03:53 Francesca but I'm not taking performance 03:54 cdickinson what are you doing, then? 03:54 * cdickinson assumed that's what people take music for... 03:54 Francesca music studies 03:54 Francesca So just general theory papers, music history papers 03:55 cdickinson oh, okay 03:55 Francesca I wanted to do performance though 03:55 Francesca just didn't get in 03:55 cdickinson ;-; 03:55 cdickinson well, you got in at all, that is an achievement 03:55 cdickinson a couple of my engineering mates tried and failed 03:56 Francesca it is really hard 03:56 Francesca and I was going for classical voice which is one of the hardest 03:57 dcook hey Francesca :) 03:57 * dcook is a bit slow thanks to many uncooperative Tomcat instances... 03:58 cdickinson wow, I can't imagine, but yeah, I'll take your word for it 03:58 cdickinson still keeping up with that, though? 03:58 Francesca yup 03:58 Francesca I sing with Orpheus 03:58 Francesca and have voice and piano lessons outside of uni 03:59 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zLcaS76OtM <-- this Orpheus? 04:00 Francesca nope 04:01 Francesca https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVPm1vdWeQ this one 04:01 cdickinson oh, cool 04:02 eythian that is fairly different to Nick Cave 04:02 Francesca lol yeah 04:02 * Francesca doesn't know who nick cave is 04:03 cdickinson November 19, damn, wasn't in town on that day, cause I would have seen it otherwise 04:04 Francesca I only joined this year so I wasn't invloved 04:04 Francesca I was singing with my high schools auditioned choir before that 04:06 cdickinson ah, right 04:07 cdickinson but that is really awesome though, good luck with all that 04:07 Francesca thanks 04:09 cdickinson meanwhile I'll just sit here and get up to speed with Koha and everything haha 04:10 Francesca lol, I'll go and find another website to pretty up 04:14 wizzyrea actually Francesca 04:14 wizzyrea I had a thought 04:14 Francesca ok 04:14 wizzyrea about something in Koha you could look at 04:14 Francesca ok 04:14 wizzyrea 1s 04:14 Francesca hold on 04:15 Francesca gotta start my vm 04:15 wizzyrea bug 11574, he asked for the staff client and I gave him the OPAC (ok, that was dumb of me) 04:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11574 normal, P5 - low, ---, liz, Passed QA , Clean up printing of lists in OPAC 04:15 wizzyrea but it might not be terribly hard to do a similar thing for the lists in the intranet 04:15 wizzyrea it's mostly CSS and adding display: none; type things 04:16 wizzyrea to the print.css (and/or creating the print css for that page) 04:16 Francesca hmmm i could fix that 04:16 wizzyrea we'll want to make a new bug, and link it to that one 04:16 Francesca and do a print stylesheet as well 04:16 wizzyrea yeah, exactly 04:16 wizzyrea have a think about it 04:16 wizzyrea or a go, if you're feeling like it 04:17 Francesca I think I could do it 04:17 wizzyrea \o/ 04:17 Francesca I've just started my vm up 04:17 wizzyrea you can use what I did on 11574 as an example 04:18 wizzyrea or what mark ended up doing 04:18 * francesca_ waves 04:18 cdickinson for a second I thought your Internet died 04:18 francesca_ got my vm up and running now so I can work on ubuntu 04:18 cdickinson but then you're not on ADSL2+ like I am 04:19 francesca_ yeah well my main operating system is mac os x 04:19 cdickinson :P 04:19 cdickinson I have no preference, really 04:20 cdickinson my main on my PC is Windows because PC games, and have everything else as VMs because dual-booting is a pain 04:20 francesca_ actually dont have a txt editor on here so i might switch back to mac 04:20 wizzyrea gedit? 04:20 wahanui gedit is that like vi 04:21 francesca_ can't zoom in 04:21 cdickinson gedit is the GNOME environment's default text editor 04:21 eythian you probably have a dozen text editors on there 04:21 francesca_ i have brackets on mac 04:21 francesca_ so I can just use that 04:21 cdickinson zooming in? can't you change the DPI on Ubuntu? :P 04:22 wizzyrea pft. be nice. 04:22 eythian you can certainly change the font size in gedit. 04:22 Francesca I'm just blind 04:23 Francesca well nt really 04:23 Francesca just got bad eye sight 04:23 cdickinson gedit can be a little hard to find what you need 04:23 cdickinson in terms of settings 04:25 Francesca so what webpage am I looking at? 04:25 wizzyrea well you'll have to have a running koha, I can possibly show you on the demo though 04:25 Francesca oh 04:26 Francesca I don't have a running koha 04:26 wizzyrea well that's your step 1 :) 04:26 cdickinson hehe 04:26 wizzyrea Francesca: this will probably look a bit familiar 04:26 wizzyrea https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 04:27 wizzyrea you'd do that inside your VM 04:27 Francesca yup 04:27 * Francesca goes to start up the vm again 04:28 wizzyrea http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl?viewshelf=3 < when you click "print list" that is the interface he's talking about. 04:29 wizzyrea user: staff pass: staff1 04:29 wizzyrea what I usually do, is print the output to PDF. In Ubuntu, you do that by 04:29 wizzyrea selecting "Print to file" as your printer 04:29 wizzyrea it'll spit out a pdf. 04:30 Francesca yup ok 04:30 Francesca Just switching to my vm now 04:30 wizzyrea yep nw 04:30 francesca_ right can't see all that stuff in here 04:31 * francesca_ switches back to mac for links 04:38 Francesca my internet doesn't appear to work in the vm 04:38 Francesca is it possible to do the stuff on a mac 04:38 cdickinson but francesca_ is online? 04:38 cdickinson or did you make another VM? 04:39 wizzyrea Francesca: you can try doing it with the kohadevbox 04:39 Francesca whats the kohadevbox? 04:39 wahanui i think the kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 04:39 wizzyrea https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 04:40 wizzyrea note I have no idea if anyone has tried with osx yet. 04:40 eythian it would be terrible 04:41 Francesca the vm is acting up 04:41 wizzyrea yeah just close it out ;) 04:41 eythian You know how it's tricky on redhat? OSX is 1000x worse for getting things installed. 04:41 wizzyrea maybe a job for one day when you can come in 04:41 wizzyrea for a vagrant VM? 04:41 Francesca I can come in anytime 04:41 wizzyrea there's a build for osx :P 04:42 Francesca on midterm break at the moment so free pretty much every day 04:42 wizzyrea ah cool 04:42 Francesca I might look at different vm software 04:42 Francesca virtual box is very slow 04:42 wizzyrea well no, don't do thatl. 04:42 Francesca ok 04:42 eythian virtualbox shouldn't be slow 04:43 wizzyrea we'll get you sorted out :) 04:43 wizzyrea just maybe not over chat. 04:44 Francesca well I'm pretty much free for the next 2 weeks 04:44 Francesca so I can come when it suits you 04:44 wizzyrea hm maybe Friday afternoon? 04:45 Francesca yup 04:45 Francesca thats fine 04:45 wizzyrea cooool 04:45 * Francesca has been distracted by the arrival of a wet kitten 04:45 cdickinson after the bug is fixed, beer o'clock :p 04:46 Francesca cool 04:46 Francesca my cat is now trying to eat the zipper off my jacket 04:48 Francesca wizzyrea: any particular time on friday afternoon? 04:48 Francesca wizzyrea: any time in particular on friday afternoon 04:48 Francesca whoops 04:48 wizzyrea I don't have a preference :) 04:48 Francesca sweet 04:48 wizzyrea I hope for quiet friday afternoons, generally. 04:48 Francesca I'll just stick my head in after lunch maybe 04:48 Francesca don't blame you 04:48 wizzyrea yeah that'd do :) 04:49 Francesca one of my cats has now completely cuddled up inside my raincoat 04:49 cdickinson problem? 04:49 wahanui problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 04:49 Francesca They're not generally allowed to do that 04:50 Francesca wizzyrea: I've done print styles before so the bug shouldn't be too hard 04:50 wizzyrea sweet :D 04:50 Francesca my raincoat is alive 04:50 wizzyrea naughty kitty. 04:51 cdickinson in this weather, it might be better if it was, active protection from rain x_x 04:51 Francesca I've been putting up lots of photos of the cats on fb recently 04:51 Francesca lol yeah 04:51 Francesca I'm inside however 04:52 Francesca right well I'll see you all on friday 04:53 Francesca cdickinson I look forward to meeting you 04:53 wizzyrea cya :) 04:53 cdickinson Sounds good, me too, see you on Friday :) 04:54 * Francesca waves goodbye 05:02 dcook Hmm, maybe it's just me, but HTTP::OAI looks like it might have some changes in Perl 5.20... 05:03 eythian but it isn't core... 05:03 dcook Well, I should say something it relies on seems to have changed 05:04 dcook Hmm, but I don't think that thing is core either 05:04 dcook This OAI harvester was working fine before this upgrade... 05:05 eythian hmm ok 05:05 eythian that surprises me 05:05 eythian does the module pass its tests? 05:05 dcook Which? The one I made or the HTTP::OAI one? 05:05 dcook Well, obviously not mine.. 05:05 eythian http::oai 05:05 wahanui it has been said that http::oai is pretty bare bones 05:05 * dcook goes and takes a look 05:06 eythian though, according to the doc it's a stub 05:06 dcook Yeah, HTTP::OAI has an interesting structure.. 05:07 dcook Hmm, I don't even know where the tests would be 05:08 dcook I think CPAN is missing a lot of info as well.. 05:09 dcook The error I'm getting at the moment is: Can't locate object method "responseDate" via package "HTTP::Headers" at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/Message.pm line 644 05:10 dcook Which means either I screwed up somewhere or HTTP::OAI is screwing up somewhere, me thinks 05:10 dcook I think we've upgraded HTTP::OAI versions and that's already thrown up one thing that was my mistake 05:15 dcook Oh man... it looks like HTTP::OAI::Harvester isn't happy with something... 05:16 dcook But when it gets an error it returns a HTTP::Response object rather than a HTTP::OAI::ListRecords object like it's supposed to... 05:21 dcook Actually, maybe it is supposed to return a HTTP::Response object... it's just not documented... and I didn't handle that error properly 05:21 dcook Still shouldn't be making an error in the first place though.. 05:25 dcook eythian: might you know which version of HTTP::OAI do the packages use? 05:26 eythian https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libhttp-oai-perl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all 05:26 dcook I'll have to double-check but I think Koha's OAI server might not work with HTTP::OAI version 4.03 05:26 dcook Had a feeling it be version 3. Hmm.. 05:27 dcook Actually, 3.23 and 3.27 are older than what's on CPAN as well. Interesting.. 05:27 eythian well debian doesn't update the versions within a release 05:27 eythian so it probably sat at 3.27 for a while, and it was grabbed by jessie 05:27 dcook With good reason 05:30 * dcook wishes that time grew on tree in his office 05:31 eythian heh 05:32 dcook Yes, HTTP::OAI 4.03 seems to cripple Koha's OAI server 05:33 dcook Lovely :D 05:33 eythian goody 05:33 dcook Let's see how fast I can work up a fix :p 05:33 dcook Error message: Can't call method "start_element" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/OAI/Verb.pm line 53. 05:33 dcook O_O 05:33 dcook Well, when you put it like that... 05:36 dcook Hmm, I can do this.. 05:40 dcook wth... 05:40 dcook Ahh wait.. 05:40 dcook yo cait 05:40 eythian hi cait 05:40 eythian go back to bed 05:40 wahanui http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif 05:41 dcook yes, go back to bed... preferably back in time! 05:41 eythian http://v.theonion.com/onionstudios/video/1063/640.mp4 <-- a GoPro on a sparrow 05:43 dcook What the ever living... 05:43 dcook This module makes no sense :S 05:43 dcook and no documentation... 05:43 * dcook 's brain may explode 05:44 dcook Or rather, the documentation is for the old version 05:45 eythian ug that's annoying 05:45 dcook Profoundly 05:45 dcook The documentation says to use "$r->generate;" 05:45 dcook Unless I'm looking in the wrong spot.. 05:45 dcook It seems to expect "$r->generate($driver);" now 05:46 dcook Or rather... requires $driver.. 05:46 * dcook has no idea what $driver is supposed to be 05:55 dcook Good call, eythian 05:56 dcook Looks like someone ran the tests for 4.03 and is getting the same error 05:56 eythian ah good 05:56 dcook Although it looks like the test for 4.03 are also not so great either 05:56 eythian that's possibly related to why it's not in Debian then, if it doesn't pass the tests it doesn't build. 05:56 dcook Makes sense 05:56 dcook 3.28 was all right, but 4.03... yeesh 05:59 dcook Actually, it might be that 4.03 is more strict in quite a few cases 05:59 dcook I think that we might have implemented the module incorrectly in some spots 06:01 eythian time for me to go, later 06:02 dcook laters 06:10 dcook Wow... these HTTP::OAI tests are horrible 06:24 * magnuse waves 06:28 dcook hola magnuse 06:39 magnuse hiya dcook 06:43 dcook @later tell eythian Just ended up downgrading from 4.03 to 3.28 in the end, as 4.03 seems to not at all be production ready... 06:43 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:49 dcook Whelp, at least I know that I wasn't the problem :p 06:58 magnuse dcook: HTTP::OAI? 06:58 wahanui HTTP::OAI is pretty bare bones 07:00 dcook magnuse: Yep 07:00 dcook It's a set of modules that are used to create the OAI server 07:00 dcook (Also what I use for the OAI client/harvester which is how I first noticed problems...) 07:02 dcook Version 4.03 makes things explode :( 07:03 akafred wizzyrea: You wrote "It's worth noting that clearing the cache, cookies, and sessions should be standard procedure after *every* upgrade for every staff interface user." That sounds a bit ... wow. Why? 07:03 dcook akafred: The cache because of cached CSS and Javascript 07:04 dcook It can screw things up for major upgrades 07:04 dcook Of course, that's why some folks append query strings to their CSS and Javascript which is tied to their version to force cache updates... 07:04 * dcook might submit that patch someday 07:04 dcook Similar reasoning for cookies and sessions I'm sure. The structure of each might've changed with the version upgrade, so it makes sense to wipe them with the upgrade 07:04 * dcook retreats back into the shadows 07:10 ashimema morning 07:11 magnuse kia ora ashimema 07:11 dcook hey ashimema 07:11 wahanui i guess ashimema is on qa now .) 07:12 magnuse meeting in slightly less than 12 hours, if i am not mistaken: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 07:12 magnuse bonjour fridolin 07:12 fridolin bonjour tout le monde 07:12 dcook salut fridolin 07:12 ashimema I'm all done in on meetings at the minute.. 07:12 BobB That will be 5am here magnuse. I will be an apology. :) 07:12 ashimema must have spent 9 hours or so on the phone yesterday all in all.. 07:13 ashimema too many tc's 07:13 fridolin I just come out from a day at the hospital so I a bit sleepy 07:14 fridolin nothing big, just had a ankle broken 07:16 akafred Hm. Seems mod_expires can be used: debian/templates/apache_shared.conf contains: <IfModule mod_expires.c>ExpiresByType application/javascript "access plus 12 hours"... But that still leaves the cookies. 07:16 akafred fridolin: Ouch! 07:18 dcook fridolin: Hope you're feeling slightly better today! 07:18 fridolin yep 07:18 magnuse fridolin: ouch! hope it mends well! 07:18 fridolin thanks ;) 07:19 ashimema yikes.. hope that heals nice for you 07:19 magnuse ashimema: "tc's"? 07:19 fridolin It was a local anastesia on one leg 07:19 ashimema tc's = 'tele-conferances' 07:19 dcook akafred: Interesting. I don't know if I've encountered that one. I've seen a few cases where things like that aren't always honoured by browsers 07:19 ashimema i.e. telephone meetings 07:20 * dcook needs to head home! 07:20 dcook also to clone myself so one of us can stay at work 07:21 magnuse ashimema: ta 07:21 akafred Requiring users to delete cookies and cache routinely on upgrades is kinda ... harsh. 07:22 dcook Well, it's certainly suboptimal in my books :) 07:22 dcook We usually have to get them to clear their cache on major upgrades though 07:22 dcook Actually, the mod_expires might be problematic when their are proxy servers in the way as well 07:23 dcook We have a few hospitals with some heavy duty cacheing that can be tough to beat without using query strings on the CSS and Javascript... 07:26 dcook I've never seen a problem with not clearing cookies or sessions though I don't think... 07:26 dcook Or nothing too glaring if they did exist 07:26 akafred ... which is why one usually use the cache-control-header along side the expiry header. 07:27 * dcook shrugs 07:27 dcook I call 'em like I see 'em :p 07:28 dcook Anyway, I'm off 07:28 dcook night all 07:28 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 08:22 Joubu Could we get a signoff on bug 13936 please? It's a critical and a patch is sent for 1 week now 08:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13936 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix patrons search on using the checkout tab 08:23 nlegrand Hey #koha 08:24 cait hi nlegrand 08:24 cait yeah in general - some bugs need sign off people! 08:24 cait and the one joubu points out is a good start - bug 13936 08:25 nlegrand :) 08:25 nlegrand I'm ok to try it 08:25 cait :) 08:25 Joubu it's really easy to test and confirm the issue :) 08:26 nlegrand Joubu: ho that's a bit why I proposed to do it ^^ 08:26 cait nlegrand: it's a good tactics - grab the easy ones before someone else does ;) 08:30 nlegrand ^^ 08:30 nlegrand cait: shhhhhhh 08:30 nlegrand Joubu: done :) 08:30 Joubu nlegrand: thanks! 08:31 Joubu nlegrand: you forgot your signoff line 08:31 Joubu signoff-by 08:31 nlegrand oups 08:33 cait nlegrand: i have another easy one 08:33 nlegrand Joubu: it should be better now 08:33 nlegrand cait: :) ok 08:33 Joubu yep! 08:33 cait bug 13957 08:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results 08:33 cait same area 08:33 cait kind of - just the circulation tab this time :) 08:56 magnuse nlegrand++ 09:15 cait any ideas why my overdue notice wouldn't print? 09:15 cait ooh, got an idea 09:17 cait hm that's didn't fix it :( 09:17 cait I have an overdue item - due date yesterday, my notice trigger is set to 1 as delay... no holidays in the calendar, running the overdues script with -t 09:22 Joubu cait: a print notice? 09:23 Joubu no error? try with the verbose flag 09:25 cait i think it might be because email was not checked - in the triggers 09:26 cait it works on our other installations, just my test installation is stubborn 09:26 Joubu cait: you have to check at least 1 mtt 09:28 nlegrand re 09:28 cait yep i think that was the problem, cross fingers :) 09:28 cait nlegrand++ :) 09:29 nlegrand :) 09:29 nlegrand I messed around some more with bug 13957 but it's signed off ^^ 09:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results 09:30 cait Joubu: that was exactly the problem- finally got my overdue notice out :) 10:59 khall mornin all! 11:18 magnuse kia ora khall 11:18 khall mornin magnuse! 11:57 mario Morning khall 11:58 khall mornin! 12:02 mario morning barton 12:03 barton morning mario! 12:15 tcohen morning #koha 12:16 tcohen cait: maybe something that uses http://perldoc.perl.org/Net/SMTP.html then 12:29 cait tcohen: huh? 12:32 tcohen about SMTH authentication 12:32 tcohen P 12:32 tcohen :P 12:35 cait not sure i get it :) but you can probably forget about my later too 12:35 cait it was just something i fell over reseraching 12:50 tcohen morning paul_p 12:50 paul_p hi tcohen (& others) 13:23 drojf hi #koha 13:25 tcohen hi drojf 13:27 drojf hi tcohen. still quiet around here? 13:27 tcohen yup, it seems 13:29 drojf there is a meeting today, right? 13:29 drojf ah found it http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 13:34 tcohen is julian fiol around? 13:34 tcohen Jul? 13:35 Jul tcohen : Yes ? 13:36 tcohen i commented on bug 13940 13:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13940 trivial, P5 - low, ---, julian.fiol, Failed QA , Testing C4::OAI::Sets 13:36 * cait waves at drojf 13:37 tcohen tiny and simple fixes needed 13:37 drojf hi cait :) 13:37 tcohen Jul: ok? 13:38 Jul tcohen : Ok thanks, i'm coming to see that 13:38 tcohen just add a followup with (QA followup) on the subject, i'll sign and push it 13:41 tcohen Joubu: bug 13497 13:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13497 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , The pref AddPatronLists should be removed 13:42 Joubu tcohen: yep? 13:42 wahanui yep. 13:42 tcohen what are we breaking? 13:44 Joubu hum? 13:44 Joubu I hope nothing :) 13:57 fridolin Does someone use "Keyword to MARC mapping" to customize ?* 13:57 fridolin Could we consider it is obsolete ? 14:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13879: Fix sort on patron search (guarantor and linked to orders) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0526eb4dfb14f81fe27e1499adfa18559de03a21> / Bug 13923: The prefetch used on existing constraint <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fb73b9abf751fa9cbdb51c79cfc6327a3c3d420> / Bug 13850: Fix typo in C4::Ris <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 14:12 tcohen khall: could you please attach a patch with fixed pod for the sysprefs package bug? need to calm mtompset down 14:12 khall absolutely! 14:12 tcohen i mean, have a constructive exchange on the bug instead of grumpy comments 14:12 tcohen i'm sorry for that 14:12 khall np! I should have caught that 14:15 chris_n khall++ # for getting the ball rolling 14:15 tcohen khall++ 14:16 cait fridolin: it's still in use - the keyword supported is SUBTITLE i think 14:16 cait fridolin: it should be in quite a few places in the code 14:20 fridolin thanks cait 14:20 fridolin cant we replace this by a classic "Koha to marc mapping" ? 14:26 khall for what it's worth, I have no problem changing the namespace of Koha::SysPref. I just hope we can agree on something without *too* much debate ; ) 14:27 khall I think Koha::Config::SysPrefs seems just fine. 14:31 cait fridolin: not really - it's a display thing that is framework specific 14:31 cait fridolin: why do you want to kill it? 14:32 cait khall: koha::Admin::Sysprefs maybe? 14:32 cait ignore capitalization 14:32 khall ahh! More choices! ; ) 14:32 cait administration? 14:32 cait i haven't read the bug mail today yet, so not sure what i am getting myself into :) 14:36 khall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis 14:39 tcohen call for dev meeting? 14:40 Joubu khall: imo Koha::Config::SysPrefs is perfect 14:41 khall yeah, I like it 14:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7561: Redirect to the add items form if it's a fast cataloging <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c16e19b3fdff71e20db1df036931d96dfabcce4d> / ug 7561: Fast cataloging - Allow add/edit items and delete record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3183f16e55f251003583a741b06bdfa635b1f07> / Bug 8246: Allow deleting record if no more items <http://git.koha-community 14:47 * tcohen likes 7561! 14:56 cait bug 7561 14:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7561 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , cannot fast catalog with fast cataloging permissions 15:10 chris_n bug 13967 15:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13967 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , System preferences need a package 15:12 * chris_n doesn't really care what its call so long as it works better than what is currently in place ;-) 15:13 Joubu tcohen: maybe bug 9978 would be a good candidate for 3.20 15:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9978 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Update GNU licenses header in Koha files from GPL2 to GPL3 15:14 tcohen sure! 15:16 TGoat Koha .. if anyone sees that druthb_away has entered the room and can remember will you please ask her to contact Todd @ ByWater @ 775-335-7940. I'd really appreciate it :D I'll create another @later for her. Thank you! 15:17 tcohen I'd also like the Koha::Version patch 15:17 cait TGoat: maybe try emailing her if you haven't yet? 15:17 TGoat @later tell druthb druthb_away .. Please contact Todd Goatley-Seals @ ByWater. Call 775-335-7940. Thanks! 15:17 huginn` TGoat: The operation succeeded. 15:18 cait in order to get her laters she needs to say something in channel 15:18 TGoat I like huggin better :D 15:18 cait just logging in probably won't do it 15:21 * chris_n goes off on a transient sign-off tangent 15:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11239 - show hour of due date in history circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fa0f6f4ab2c2492309db92fed2d34d148d9ffd3> / Bug 13882: Tidy t/Borrower.t to fix whitespace errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=565b97924e1fe30640744cc42faa6fffcbdbeeee> / Bug 13882 : Adding new unit tests in t/Borrower.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g 15:32 cait bug 13919 - would be good to get a sign off 15:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13919 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Renewal possible with item level hold on item 18:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13896: (QA followup) fix koha-{stop|restart}-zebra too <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05d57a1880bd164f727a772e113bacb779b9f91d> / Bug 13875: Columns configuration - Allow underscore in table name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94836adbfb1387fe3c359212ae8faaf8fcfe6654> / Bug 13864: Fix height for Colvis entries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k 18:38 tcohen is there any unimarc people around? 18:39 thd tcohen: What do you need to know about UNIMARC? 18:39 tcohen i'm looking at bug 13912 18:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 18:39 tcohen i don't like the solution 18:39 tcohen and I know "we've done that before" (i.e. for language positions) 18:41 tcohen i'd like a dialect-gnostic solution 18:41 tcohen so I was thinking of propsing it be done framework-wise 18:41 thd tcohen: How would you prefer a default country code be specified? 18:42 tcohen for example, adding more options when editing a framework 18:42 tcohen we currently have fw code (e.g. BKS) and description (e.g. Books, Booklets, Workbooks) 18:42 thd tcohen: Do you mean via a plugin specified by the framework? 18:42 tcohen we could have some stuff that is shared between dialects 18:43 tcohen like default main language, default country, etc 18:43 thd tcohen: What do you mean by "shared between dialects"? 18:43 tcohen heh 18:43 thd tcohen: Do you mean shared between MARC21, UNIMARC, etc.? 18:44 tcohen if unimarc has a fixed position on some field that correlates to 008 15-17 18:44 cait hm not sure about per framework 18:44 tcohen then have a more general "default country"ç 18:44 tcohen framework-wise :-P 18:45 tcohen ideas? 18:45 wahanui ideas are good :) 18:45 thd tcohen: There is no provision within the Koha MARC frameworks to specify a default value for anything. 18:45 tcohen cait: people cataloguing student thesis might want german as default, and english for book 18:45 tcohen thd: i know 18:45 cait hm we have a default value 18:46 cait in the frameworks 18:46 cait woudl that work here? 18:46 cait did we try? 18:46 tcohen thd: i'm thinking if we could easily extend it 18:46 * thd now understands what tcohen wants. 18:46 tcohen cait: don't know what you're talking about 18:46 cait you can set subfields and also control fields to a defualt value in the framework 18:47 tcohen thd: idiomatic issues, as usual :-D 18:47 cait i wonder why we need the pref - maybe the plugin is interfering? 18:47 cait or it's not needed? 18:47 cait i am not sure i understand, i better try to sort my brain before the meeting 18:47 tcohen cait: it works for subfields 18:48 thd Koha MARC frameworks can currently specify plugins and value lists. 18:48 tcohen but we are talking about fixed lenght fields 18:48 cait i have done that too 18:48 cait i think 18:48 tcohen cait: don't hack your own koha to do nasty things 18:49 tcohen thd: does it make any sense? 18:50 tcohen i'm not sure how much would be shared between dialects 18:50 thd tcohen: A framework specific plugin could be modified to use default values contextually. A new column might be needed to specify the default value for the framework. 18:50 * cait didn't hack anything 18:50 tcohen thd: that's what I was thinking 18:50 cait i think i am missign something here 18:50 tcohen cait: you put a default value for all your positions 18:50 cait what do we want to do that is currently not possible? 18:51 tcohen cait: bug 13912 18:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 18:51 tcohen we already have DefaultLanguageField008 18:52 tcohen my fear is that if we accept this kind of features we would leave unimarc behind 18:52 tcohen feature-wise 18:53 tcohen like it happened with the XSLT funtionalities 18:53 tcohen (at some point) 18:53 thd A solution using existing features might be to populate some value lists and have a Koha MARC framework specified plugin use an appropriate value list with containing one element or an ordered set with a default. 18:55 thd tcohen: Certainly features should be created in MARC semantics [Koha marcflavor] agnostic manner. 18:55 Joubu (or put $("#f15-17").val("XXX"); into the js pref ...) 18:56 tcohen Joubu: librarians don't (usually, there are exceptions) have your super powers 18:56 cait hm ok, can't send email, can't get records from z39.50... after people changed security settings 18:56 tcohen .-P 18:56 thd Joubu: Certainly, however, modifying the plugin directly would be less accessible to non-programmer cataloguers. 18:56 tcohen ^^^ that 18:56 tcohen heh 18:56 cait i like Joubu's 18:57 Joubu thd: not in the plugin, in the js pref 18:57 cait and we have a jquery library :) 18:57 Joubu thd: a tip could be added to the wiki 18:58 Joubu it's not a good solution, I know. But better than a pref per subdivision of the 008 field... 18:58 thd Joubu: Is there a form to control input and prevent breaking the JavaScript preference? 18:59 tcohen maybe we should re-engineer the plugins, so they expose their fixed lenght fields to the fw edit tool 18:59 Joubu there are no check on prefs 18:59 thd We should teach all Koha cataloguers to code and all Koha programmer's to catalogue :) 19:00 Joubu and what about add the support of regex in the fw default values? 19:00 Joubu Certainly quite tricky... 19:00 cait i think we should have the meeting? :) 19:00 thd Is there a meeting now? 19:01 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 19:01 Joubu default value for 008 would be "?????? xxu???????eng" 19:01 cait unless my calculations are wrong... wouldn't be the first time 19:01 Joubu I get a lot of silly idea tonight 19:01 cait no reminder on the mailing list - we miss oleonard 19:01 cait maybe someone could send a quick note now? 19:02 thd I checked for a reminder last time and thus did not send my own but forgot to look this time. 19:02 cait so... meeting? now? :) 19:03 thd cait: The mailing list is moderated somewhat. There are no quick reminders to the mailing list unless you have the attention of a moderator. 19:03 cait hm in my experience it's pretty fast 19:03 cait i think only moderated if not subscribed 19:04 tcohen Joubu: we need to talk to users to come up with the best ideas me think 19:04 cait anyway 19:04 cait we should begin? 19:04 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria 19:04 cait Teejay: one sec please :) 19:04 thd Hmmm, cait maybe you should send a reminder if your posts appear in real time. 19:05 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 April 2015 19:05 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 8 19:05:19 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:05 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015' 19:05 thd Teejay: someone needs to issue the startmeeting command. 19:05 cait #introductions 19:05 cait ah sorry 19:05 cait #topic Introductions 19:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:05 cait please introduce yourself with #info 19:05 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba 19:05 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 19:05 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England 19:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 19:06 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe 19:06 talljoy #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions 19:06 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany, almost asleep 19:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [nolonger freezing] 19:06 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto ByWater Solutions 19:06 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre 19:06 akafred #info Kjetil "Fred" JD, OPL, Norway 19:07 cait drojf: it's only 9! 19:07 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria 19:07 magnuse #info Magnus Enger. Libriotech. Norway 19:07 barton #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA 19:07 drojf cait: that does not help :D 19:08 larryb #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions 19:08 cait ok :) 19:08 cait changing topic 19:08 tcohen agenda? 19:08 wahanui agenda is a wiki 19:09 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015 19:09 cait #topic Announcements 19:09 * barton is getting visited randomly by the reboot fairy. If I disappear, it is because he/she/it is having fun at my expense. 19:10 khall I've got a couple announcements 19:10 cait :) 19:10 khall First, Brendan wanted me to extend his apologies to everyone for not being able to be here today. He's out sick. 19:11 cait oh, hope he feels better soon 19:11 tcohen oh 19:11 magnuse get well soon, bag! 19:11 khall The second one is that I started a gofundme to help out Tomas: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop 19:12 khall This was done without his prior consent or knowlege ; ) 19:12 khall If anyone can chip in, I'm sure it would be appriciated! 19:12 cait khall++ 19:13 tcohen i love you folks, i'm still crying at the office, embarrased 19:13 cait something else? :) 19:13 khall I just let him know a few minutes ago, I didn't want to surprise him *that* much 19:13 magnuse khall++ 19:14 tcohen thanks guys 19:14 khall Many of us ByWater folks have already chipped in. Thanks to everyone who's donated so far! 19:14 talljoy :-D we love you tcohen 19:15 cait we do :) 19:15 cait i should do infos, bad chair 19:15 cait #info khall started a gofundme to help Tomas buy a new laptop: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop 19:16 cait #info apologies from bag for not being able to attend 19:16 cait moving on? 19:16 cait #topic Updates on releases 19:16 cait i notice i put my proposal in the wrong line :) 19:17 * cait fixes that 19:17 cait something 3.16 or 3.18? 19:17 cait i think our release maintainers are not here for those 2? 19:17 tcohen 3.20 is in good shape so far, I expect to resume pushing features and enhancements tomorrow 19:18 magnuse tcohen++ 19:18 tcohen i'm calling for a dev meeting next wednesday 19:18 cait tcohen++ 19:18 tcohen to make a couple decisions 19:18 cait 15th? 19:18 wahanui hmmm... 15th is your fault... 19:18 cait #info 3.20 is in good shape, tcohen is going to push more patches tomorrow 19:18 tcohen and also coordinate efforts towards making important stuff in in time 19:19 Joubu tcohen: Did you create the wiki page yet? 19:19 Joubu with the topics you want to discuss 19:19 tcohen no, I'm doing it on the Trello 19:19 cait can i info a date and time? :) 19:19 akafred ... and a trello link 19:19 tcohen it would be a two sessions meeting 19:20 tcohen i haven't put things there yet :-D 19:20 tcohen here goes the link 19:20 tcohen https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics 19:22 cait #info Developer meeting, Wednesday, 15 April https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics 19:23 rangi only sorta here 19:23 rangi dealing with kids 19:23 tcohen will update the wiki for the email list announcement 19:23 tcohen hi rangi 19:23 cait ok 19:23 rangi nothing much to report about 3.18, 3.18.6 is shaping up fine, quite a few good fixes in it, string freeze on the 15th as normal 19:23 cait #action tcohen will update the wiki about the dev meeting 19:24 cait rangi++ 19:24 tcohen rangi++ 19:24 cait tcohen++ 19:24 khall rangi++ 19:24 cait ok, I have 2 things 19:24 cait one of the 'bottlenecks' in qa are the sip related patches 19:25 cait to improve the situation a bit, I suggest that can ColinC can also pass QA on SIP related patches 19:25 cait he has been QA manager in the past - i think he knows what to do :) 19:25 tcohen if he's not around, it is the right time to make this decision 19:25 akafred :) 19:26 talljoy heh 19:26 khall lol 19:26 rangi we can decide that if he wants to we are ok with it 19:26 cait it's ok with him- he said :) 19:26 ColinC I'm ok with it 19:26 akafred ColinC++ 19:26 cait ColinC++ 19:26 tcohen ColinC++ 19:26 cait thx a lot :) 19:26 khall ColinC++ 19:26 cait khall: I DID check with him before ;) 19:26 talljoy ColinC++ 19:26 cait hehe 19:27 khall do first, permission later, that's my motto 19:27 magnuse ColinC++ 19:27 cait heh 19:27 cait so i think we can have that as agreed? :) 19:27 thd What are the times of the devel meeting on the 15th? 19:27 cait or does someone insist on a formal vote? 19:28 tcohen thd: 15 UTC and 22 UTC as usual 19:28 Joubu That's a good thing, I think only khall knows the SIP code in the QAers... 19:28 tcohen unless this time works for kiwis 19:29 rangi yeah the 22UTC one is ok 19:29 cait #ageed ColinC is now able to Pass QA on SIP related patches - thx ColinC! 19:29 tcohen =D 19:29 * rangi is out again 19:30 cait #info Times for the Dev meeting are 15 and 22 UTC 19:30 cait moving on? 19:30 Joubu still in the announcements? 19:30 cait nope update on releases 19:30 Joubu I submited quite a few bugfixes for old bugs (#<7000) last week. 19:30 cait aaaah thx Joubu 19:30 Joubu Most of them are trivial to test/qa. It could be very good to see them ready for 3.20 19:31 Joubu this is related to release, isn't it? 19:31 cait yep 19:31 cait actually that was kind of my second thing :) 19:31 cait #info Lots of bugfixes for old bugs <#7000 are waiting for sign off - please help get them into 3.20 19:32 cait Joubu++ 19:32 tcohen Joubu++ 19:32 cait it's awesome to see those old one finally bite the dust 19:32 tcohen should we have a saved search for those? 19:32 cait in general the 'needs sign off' queue has grown quite a bit again since marseille 19:32 cait we had it down to about 100 19:32 magnuse Joubu++ 19:32 cait and we are up to almost 170 again 19:32 magnuse i think it was at 99, briefly 19:32 cait 47 bug fixes 19:33 Joubu I think you can filter by NSO + not enh and not ft + author=me 19:33 tcohen good 19:33 magnuse would a bug squashing day motivate anyone? 19:33 cait please make time 19:33 cait one bug a day.. or every other day... that would help a lot 19:33 cait actually.. that's my third thing :) 19:34 tcohen magnuse: please :-D 19:34 cait we are going to have a "QA sprint" or "QA day" friday next week - 17 April 19:34 cait I am going to send an email to the mailing list 19:34 cait so the mission for that is... fill up our queue! 19:34 cait well... our mission is to empty it out, but I hope for many sign offs before :) 19:35 cait #info The QA team is going to have a 'QA sprint/QA day' on April 17 - mailing list email coming soon 19:35 cait #action cait to send an email to the mailing list about the QA event 19:35 cait magnuse: gbsd? 19:35 wahanui i heard gbsd was Global Bug Squashing Day - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-11-15_Global_bug_squashing_day 19:36 magnuse i can organize a gbsd if people want - but should it be before or after the qa sprint? 19:37 Joubu before 19:37 tcohen magnuse: next monday? 19:37 cait hmm not sure, maybe before? 19:37 tcohen so we fill their queue 19:37 magnuse monday 13th? 19:37 khall if that's enough time I say go for it! 19:38 Joubu bugfixes in the NSO queue is http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_severity&f1=bug_severity&f2=bug_severity&list_id=126799&o1=notequals&o2=notequals&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=Needs%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature 19:38 magnuse ok, i'll announce it tomorrow 19:38 Joubu sorry for the ugly link... 19:39 cait #info bug fixes that need sign off http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_severity&f1=bug_severity&f2=bug_severity&list_id=126799&o1=notequals&o2=notequals&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=Needs%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature 19:39 cait wonder if the minutes will explode now :) 19:39 cait can in #info the gbsd? 19:39 khall heh 19:39 magnuse feel free :-) 19:40 cait #info GBSD on Monday April 13 19:40 cait ok,moving on to nominations? 19:40 tcohen yup 19:41 cait #topic Nominations for 3.22 19:42 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.22 19:42 cait elections are going to be held at the next regular meeting i think - may 19:43 cait lots of people have already signed up, thx everyone! 19:43 thd I am about to add a reordered version of my previous revised proposal for wiki curator, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth . 19:43 tcohen yeah, thanks everyone 19:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13939: ILS-DI function GetServices doesn't work when the item/biblio is available... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bde795f8fa488a2284d1d23667fb489bea6343f9> / Bug 13800 - Diacritics not mapped <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e136b4f9fc58ebdb10fdb7b465467cffd032169> / Bug 6950: Hide the resort option when searching for a tag <http://git.koha-community. 19:44 cait we are missing a translation manager currently, rmaint 3.16 and RM 19:44 cait ssh huginn 19:45 thd One wiki issue for an immutable category assignment is stumping me and I will ask about it on the mailing lists. 19:46 tcohen I need to leave, sorry for that 19:46 cait but i think we will find volunteers to fill those roles 19:46 tcohen will read the logs! 19:46 tcohen and thanks, everyone 19:46 cait #info release team shaping up - still looking for translation manager, rmaint 3.16 and RM 19:47 cait anything else here? 19:48 cait #topic KohaCon15 19:48 cait Teejay: still around? 19:48 Teejay Yes 19:49 Teejay We are expecting response to Call for Papers 19:49 cait #info Call for papers - http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/call-for-papers/ 19:50 Teejay Nigerian Librarians are already registering for the conference 19:50 talljoy yay!! 19:50 cait :) 19:51 Teejay Early registration by International participants will allow for Visa processing 19:52 cait Teejay: do you know how long the visa process usually takes? 19:52 Teejay Say about a month 19:53 cait #info international participants should register early to allow for enough time for visa processing 19:53 cait anything else should add to the meeting logs? 19:54 Teejay Other arrangements are progressing 19:55 cait thx for giving us an update :) 19:55 cait moving on? 19:55 Teejay Thank you so much 19:56 cait #topic KohaCon16 19:56 cait drojf: ? 19:56 cait actually not sure - i thought we had set dates 19:56 cait does someone have a link? 19:56 cait date for proposals i mean 19:57 cait #info from last meeting's logs: AGREED: solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September (slef, 10:43:22) 19:57 thd They were in the last meeting. 19:57 cait not sure solicit = stat? 19:57 cait start 19:58 thd I intend to create a page and put a call on the mailing list at the beginning of the week. 19:58 cait thx thx 19:58 cait thx thd 19:58 cait #action thd to put a call for bids on the mailing list at the beginning of next week 19:59 cait next topic? 19:59 wahanui i heard next topic was a tricky one... 19:59 cait #topic Next steps in Fundraising 19:59 cait is someone here to talk about the progress on this? 20:00 talljoy khall? 20:00 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 20:00 khall lol 20:00 khall I know that there have been 4 volunteers 20:01 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 20:01 khall Brendan believe this is enough to get things moving and he's glad to have everyone on board! 20:02 cait #info we got 4 volunteers! 20:02 magnuse yay! 20:03 cait khall: do you know of the mou signing has been done? 20:03 khall I'm afraid I'm not aware of that one way or the other 20:03 cait np :) 20:03 cait moving on? 20:04 cait #topic Actions from last meeting 20:04 khall If everyone approves of the names on the list, bag will tall for a meeting next week to get the committee moving forward 20:04 cait I see on the logs from last meeting: 20:04 cait mtj and slef to backport bug 12954 if no-one does it faster 20:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible. 20:05 cait someone to fix typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ 20:05 cait first hasn't been done yet, but rmaints might hold it until shortly before release, not sure 20:05 khall cait: would a vote of approval be appropriate? 20:05 cait the second... i don't remember what it was about 20:06 cait khall: ah sorry, we can switch the topic back in a moment 20:06 khall np! 20:06 cait does someone remember the typo? :) 20:07 cait ok 20:07 cait we will just consider it done i guess :) 20:07 cait #Topic Next steps in Fundraising 20:07 davidnind http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015.2015-03-11-10.02.log.html 10:15:53 20:07 Joubu cait: I think it was a typo on the bug number 12954 20:07 cait quick survey - do people agree to have a vote? 20:07 Joubu it seems to be fixed 20:08 cait thx Joubu 20:08 davidnind this has been fixed 20:08 cait khall: is this just general agreement to the names listed so far? 20:08 khall yes 20:08 cait any veto on having a vote? 20:08 cait and does someone remember the command? :) 20:08 cait thx davidnind :) 20:09 cait i found it 20:10 cait #startvote vote yes if you agree with the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page, please. 20:10 huginn` Unable to parse vote topic and options. 20:10 cait hmm 20:10 cait maybe needs to be a question? 20:11 cait #startvote Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page? 20:11 huginn` Begin voting on: Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 20:11 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:11 cait not sure i phrased that well, hope you all know what i meant 20:11 talljoy #vote Yes 20:11 khall #vote Yes 20:11 ColinC #vote Yes 20:11 akafred #vote yes 20:12 magnuse #vote Yes 20:12 Joubu #vote yes 20:12 thd #vote Yes 20:12 davidnind #vote Yes 20:13 magnuse and the names are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner - unless i am mistaken? 20:13 cait #vote yes 20:13 cait thx magnuse, yes 20:13 cait getting a bit late here :) 20:13 cait #info the listed names at this point are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner 20:15 cait #endvote 20:15 huginn` Voted on "Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page?" Results are 20:15 cait hm 20:15 * cait glares at huginn 20:15 cait i count 9 20:15 davidnind #showvote 20:15 gmcharlt @quote random 20:15 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #92: "<schuster> Why even learn when there is a genius in the room..." (added by jwagner at 01:43 PM, August 27, 2010) 20:15 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 20:15 cait hm he is alive 20:16 cait #agreed 9 votes yes - no other votes 20:16 cait hm 20:16 cait #agreed We agree on the list of names with 9 votes yes - no 'no' or other votes 20:17 cait #topic Set time for next meeting 20:17 cait may 6th? 20:17 cait that would be a wednesday again 20:18 Joubu yep 20:18 thd Would that be 10 UTC? 20:18 cait i am not sure 20:18 Joubu yep 20:18 Joubu 18 March 2015 was at 10:00 UTC 20:18 cait ok 20:19 thd I disfavour late afternoon or evening times for the first Wednesday of the month. 20:19 cait Please indicate if this time and date are ok for you: Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC 20:19 cait thd: not sure what time that is for you -- do you disfavour the suggestion? 20:19 thd I favour the suggestion. 20:20 cait ok 20:20 cait i think everyone has fallen asleep by now :) 20:20 talljoy not i 20:20 thd 10 UTC is early for me but that is fine. 20:20 davidnind fine with me http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+IRC+General+Meeting&iso=20150506T10 20:20 khall lol 20:20 cait #agreed next meeting is going to be Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC 20:20 cait thx everyone! 20:20 cait #endmeeting 20:20 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 20:20:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:20 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.html 20:20 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.txt 20:20 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.log.html 20:20 Joubu thanks cait 20:21 ColinC thx 20:21 cait thx all for attending 20:21 * Joubu is going to eat... 20:21 davidnind cait++ 20:21 thd magnuse: are you still here? 20:21 cait and for helping me out here and there :) 20:21 Teejay Good nite 20:21 magnuse thd: barely :-) 20:21 magnuse cait++ 20:22 magnuse and don't forget https://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop 20:22 thd magnuse: You may have some special insight about the following MediaWiki syntax. 20:22 khall thanks to everyone who's donated so far! You all rock! 20:23 magnuse community++ 20:23 thd magnuse: [[Category:whatever parentcategory|{{PAGENAME}}]] 20:24 * khall has to run! later all! 20:24 magnuse thd: what are you trying to do there? 20:24 thd magnuse: Do you know what the purpose of the use of the MediaWiki magic word 'PAGENAME' would have? 20:24 thd magnuse: I am merely trying to understand what you were trying to do in when you used such syntax in 2010. 20:24 magnuse thd: if i recall correctly, that would be substituted with the name of the current page 20:25 magnuse thd: lol. i did that? 20:25 thd magnuse: Yes that seems reasonable. 20:25 magnuse got an example? where did i use it? 20:26 thd magnuse: Yes, the problem which I have been trying to solve is that all IRC meeting pages in the wiki have the category 'IRC meeting' applied mysteriously. 20:26 thd fetching example 20:28 cait hm i think not mysteriously 20:29 cait or not sure, thought it was one of the categories 20:30 thd magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Category:IRC_Meetings&diff=1048&oldid=23 20:30 cait hm could that happen by listing them on the page automatically? 20:30 cait like a backlink? 20:31 cait actually,... i should sleep instead :) 20:31 thd cait: Yes, certainly one of the categories. The mysterious part is that the category has been applied to the page automatically without there being any evidence of automatic invocation in the pages themselves. 20:31 cait hm i think i used to set that - by checking it 20:32 cait so i might have done it manually, not sure about an automatism 20:32 thd cait: Yes, but checking it is redundant with the mysterious automated assignment. 20:32 magnuse yeah, i would think it was done manually 20:32 magnuse sorry goota put kiddo to bed 20:32 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings is a page with that title 20:33 thd You can remove all categories from a page and disable the CategorySelect extension or examine the source without a login and yet the mysterious assignment persists. 20:34 thd cait: Maybe you have found the problem. 20:34 thd Thanks cait 20:35 thd I will try toggling the categories in the page to see if the namespace difference between wiki pages and categories is not being respected. 20:55 wizzyrea hi 20:55 wizzyrea hi 20:58 cait hi wizzyrea 20:59 wizzyrea was there something on the website that needed fixing? 20:59 cait from the meeting? 20:59 wizzyrea yeah 20:59 cait i think it was a typo that got fixed 20:59 thd cait: You found the solution. The namespace distinction between wiki pages and categories with the same name is not being respected for category assignment to wiki pages as interpreted by Category Breadcrumb and possibly other aspects of our wiki installation. 20:59 wizzyrea just saw something about a typo 20:59 wizzyrea I am glad you understand what you just said there, thd. 21:00 thd cait+++ 21:00 cait i don't understand either, but glad you found out what you needed to know :) 21:02 thd Hmm, the explanation might actually be different on closer examination. 21:05 thd wizzyrea: In the Koha MediaWiki installation, if you create a wiki page with a particular name and a category with exactly the same name, any pages linked from the wiki page with the name have the category applied to them automatically. 21:06 thd wizzyrea: The problem is that if the category is then applied manually to the affected wiki pages, the category is redundantly repeated. 21:08 thd I will try renaming the wiki page sharing the same name as the category as a workaround for the time being. 21:09 thd The page rename will entail a link from the old name. 21:14 thd Actually, changing capitalisation should be enough for a workaround. 21:16 wizzyrea Ah. 21:17 thd wizzyrea: I had wondered about the issue for years without spending enough time to address it properly. 21:19 thd wizzyrea: I had discovered why everything else appears incorrect in navigation but this had me stumped until cait noticed the commonality of wiki page and category names. 21:33 wizzyrea aha, well glad you got that sorted then :) 21:37 cait night 21:39 wizzyrea gnite cait 22:36 eythian hi 22:52 wizzyrea i feel like I'm losing my mind 22:55 eythian people often say that after I say 'hi' 22:56 eythian @later tell marcelr http://localfocus2.appspot.com/55250e091cd5a ... I see you're having problems over there. 22:56 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded. 22:59 cdickinson lol 22:59 cdickinson I think there was a file she was trying to open and it wasn't working 23:00 cdickinson that would upset me too... though only Windows gives me such troubles