Time Nick Message 23:47 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 23:47 tcohen @later tell cait have a good night, and don't worry, we always fix bugs :-D 23:44 mtj also 23:44 mtj alos, not urgent.. ^ 23:43 mtj could i add my slave to kc.org 23:41 mtj peeps, could i get another jenkins node added to kc.org? 23:11 cait will try to stop feeling guilty and go to bed - night all 22:54 * cait stops staring at it now 22:54 wizzyrea yeah i'm sure you're right 22:54 cait because of if ($borrower) it's wrapped in 22:54 cait wizzyrea: it looks to me like it's always broken as soon as you are logged in 22:53 eythian I should do that soon though, but I probably won't get a chance today. 22:52 eythian well, I haven't updated it for a while, so you won't learn anything new :) 22:51 cait eythian: i know how to take revenge for the big bird... i could test your ES opac again... :) 22:51 * dcook definitely saw the ß 22:50 eythian whereas it should be UTF-8 by now. 22:50 eythian the "standard" IRC coding is a latin1/unicode mishmash 22:50 eythian oh, probably IRC encoding issues 22:49 cait it showed as a question mark for me 22:48 eythian except for the S, I thought I did 22:48 cait at least use valid characters! 22:47 dcook There's actually an Oscar the Grouch "ride" at a nearby shopping centre. It's a bit weird... I don't know what kid would want to pay money to ride a moving trash can... 22:47 wahanui OK, cait. 22:47 cait wahanui: big bird is from Sesamstraße 22:47 eythian cait: ...! 22:47 wahanui cait: I forgot big bird 22:47 cait forget big bird 22:47 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 22:47 wizzyrea no wahanui, breaking things is <reply> http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif 22:47 dcook Although I always liked Oscar the Grouch. 22:47 wahanui rumour has it breaking things is http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif 22:47 wizzyrea breaking things? 22:47 wizzyrea breaking things is http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif 22:47 * dcook didn't really watch it much as a kid 22:46 eythian I know 22:46 dcook Really? 22:46 dcook O_O 22:46 eythian (actually, different countries have different characters, so it's quite possible that's a lie) 22:46 dcook hehe 22:46 wahanui okay, eythian. 22:46 eythian no wahanui, big bird is from sesamstraße 22:46 wizzyrea http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif < this 22:46 wnickc bye 22:45 wnickc he will enjoy 22:45 wnickc I am going to tell that to my toddler 22:45 cait *keeps fingers crossed* 22:45 cait fix it fast.. but maybe we are lucky and the dev is around 22:45 wnickc lolz 22:45 wahanui big bird is from S... that. 22:45 wizzyrea big bird. 22:45 cait wnickc: now you are the yellow bird ;) 22:45 rangi i guess could leave it for another little while, and try to fix it before may 22:44 wizzyrea better to find it now. 22:44 rangi hehe naw its all good 22:44 wnickc goodnight all! I caused enought trouble for one day :) 22:41 rangi but not my call 22:40 rangi im more a fan of get it out until its actually fixed 22:40 rangi im not a fan of the lets leave it and try and fix it 22:40 wizzyrea I think that amounts to "kill it with fire" 22:40 cait hm? 22:39 rangi so needs to not be there, until it doesnt 22:39 rangi im not going to guess about that, currently it breaks the opac 22:39 cait as i said... i don't think it's needed 22:39 wnickc sorry I derailed everyone 22:39 cait i will start leaving a note on the bug i guess 22:38 cait *sigh* 22:38 cait i'd need to actually get the items for the itemnumber first... and then it's not a single value 22:38 rangi id probably revert and get it rewritten to work properly 22:38 cait and i get HTML back 22:38 cait the structure won't work 22:38 cait hm what if i have multiple? 22:38 rangi if you actually have an item 22:38 rangi ie, only call OPACItemHoldsAllowed 22:37 rangi if it does, then check if they are holdable .. else well of course they arent .. they dont exist :) 22:37 rangi to check if it actually has items 22:37 cait it can't work... but the feature works... can we just kill it? 22:37 rangi rewrite it in opac-search.pl 22:36 cait rangi: i have no idea how to fix, apart from throwing ut that code 22:36 wnickc but all records don't have to have items 22:36 wnickc yeah, seems to work okay if all records have items 22:36 cait ok, fixed the comment 22:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Stable , anti-spam for opac-suggestions 22:34 dcook I think you did bug 3144 but meant 4274? 22:34 wahanui which one is, like, that? The fixed navbar 22:34 cait which one? 22:34 cait oh 22:34 dcook cait: I think you might have commented on the wrong bug? 22:33 rangi and then later it goes $_->{homebranch} || die 22:32 cait doesn't work for either 22:32 rangi OPACItemHoldsAllowed($_, $borrower) 22:32 cait but it's not an item list - no homebranch 22:32 wizzyrea it only died for me once one of the results had a reserve on it. *shrug* 22:32 rangi yeah 22:32 cait at least that looks like a hash 22:32 cait non-xslt migth be the answer 22:31 eythian mtj: if it's not too late today, let me know when it's in git and I can build packages before the notice goes out. 22:31 rangi it checks every search result, to see if it is allowed a hold 22:31 cait a ssoon as the if is triggered... boom 22:31 eythian mtj: cool 22:31 rangi whether they have reserves or not 22:31 cait it's just looking for something that doesn't exist 22:31 mtj hey eythian, im gonna try for a 3.16 release today 22:31 rangi its checking all of them 22:30 wnickc i took out all my reserves 22:30 wizzyrea it dislikes results with reserves on them. 22:29 wnickc and maybe it dislikes records without items 22:28 wnickc ah, xml records it looks like 22:28 rangi maybe it works then 22:27 rangi try turning xslt off 22:27 cait 5786 22:26 wahanui i heard allowonshelfholds was off 22:26 cait allowonshelfholds 22:26 cait 1802aa91530a4e8716da4a6b956ca6e0cee7d471 22:26 wahanui i heard which patch was that? 22:26 rangi which patch? 22:25 cait but no idea what he was trying to do there 22:25 cait i checked that 22:25 cait it was added by srdjan's patch 22:25 rangi yeah 22:25 rangi so will have to trace back where that code came in, and why and fix it 22:25 cait so what comes back from the xslt 22:25 cait it looks like the search result HTML 22:25 rangi i suspected as much 22:25 rangi yeah 22:25 wahanui an item is, like, supposed to be overdued over two days already 22:25 cait an item. 22:25 cait well can tell you what it's not 22:24 rangi it's not like it makes the code run any faster 22:24 rangi otherwise next time we will have to go through confusion again 22:24 cait yeah guessed that much 22:23 rangi not easily, id probably fix the loop while i was there 22:23 cait i want to add the warn inside the loop right? 22:23 cait can i even add it in the right spot with that way of writin git? 22:22 cait i am really struggling with that loop thing 22:22 wizzyrea then no. 22:21 wizzyrea ah 22:21 eythian wizzyrea: that's 3.14.14 22:21 rangi yup 22:21 cait use Data::Dumper; first right? 22:20 rangi have a look what they actually are 22:20 rangi add a warn Dumper $_; 22:20 rangi handing back items that dont have a homebranch 22:19 cait not an item? 22:19 cait wich is a record with items i giess? 22:19 rangi so its searchResults 22:19 cait it seems.... wrong 22:19 cait made me take 2 minutes more :) 22:19 rangi made it much harder to understand 22:19 rangi saved about 10 chars 22:18 rangi exactly 22:18 cait yeah, didn't expect it at the end! 22:18 rangi foreach my $item (@group_results){ 22:18 wizzyrea 3.16.14 I think just came out? 22:18 cait i was looking for the loop futher up 22:18 eythian Am I missing a 3.16 release, or hasn't it happened? 22:18 rangi its just being lazy 22:18 rangi yes 22:18 cait so an entry of the @newresults list? 22:18 cait and ... the foreach at the end? 22:17 cait ah 22:17 cait but what is it here? 22:16 rangi type more characters, make everyones life easier 22:16 rangi its lazy perl 22:16 wnickc yeah, I was looking there, but too perly for me to parse 22:13 cait not usre... $_? 22:12 cait i thinmk maybe the problem is around line 600? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=opac/opac-search.pl;h=cdf0fbb4771457f342e245e1d957d09c07fb62da;hb=1410422ab65a7049411edab96d4ae0de454466ef#l600 22:10 cait ok, reindexing doesn't help it 22:09 rangi how does $item get made 22:09 cait does it look in the db or the index? 22:09 rangi not the db 22:09 rangi so it must be the routine that is populating $item then 22:09 wnickc tried with homebranch not in branches as well 22:08 cait rangi: i checked, all my items have homebranches :( 22:08 wnickc was blank 22:08 cait it's called twice from opac-search 22:08 rangi wnickc: can you do select * from items where homebranch is null or homebranch = '' 22:07 rangi dying 22:07 rangi thats pretty agressive 22:07 wnickc yeah, made me wonder if I had bad data, but not that I see 22:06 cait my $branchcode = $item->{homebranch} or die "No homebranch"; 22:06 cait sub OPACItemHoldsAllowed 22:04 cait hm yeha that wasn't it 22:04 wnickc cait:At least one branch specific 22:03 wnickc oops 22:03 wnickc LET ME SEE 22:03 cait wnickc: do you have a branch specific rule or only a general one in your circ rules? 22:02 cait i think i might have something 22:02 wizzyrea didn't get updated properly or something 22:02 wizzyrea must be my db 22:02 * tcohen didn't see that either, been trying to debug something on master regarding circ rules today 22:01 cait i don't see that 22:01 cait huh 22:01 wizzyrea DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.maxsuspensiondays' in 'field list' at /home/liz/koha-src/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl line 161 22:01 wizzyrea I get 22:01 wizzyrea well when I try to edit/save a rule on master 22:01 cait it's alright 22:01 cait only have one 22:01 cait i just added rules 22:00 wizzyrea or updating somehow 22:00 wizzyrea ? 22:00 wizzyrea maybe the rules need re-saving 22:00 cait might be a side effect from another change 22:00 wizzyrea search in opac when a potential result has a reserve on it. 22:00 cait you get a perl error message 22:00 cait search in opac :( 22:00 tcohen what is it that got broken with 5786? 21:59 cait 1802aa91530a4e8716da4a6b956ca6e0cee7d471 21:59 cait but def not in 3.18.x then 21:59 cait 5786 21:59 cait *sigh* 21:58 cait on it 21:57 cait rangi: i am on a good branch - master -30 commits 21:57 wnickc yeah, master problem, no problem in 3.18.x 21:57 wizzyrea it's when one of the potential results has a reserve 21:57 rangi and do good or bad (depening on what you did first time) 21:57 cait hm nope 21:57 wizzyrea right I get it too 21:57 rangi then checkout a new one 21:57 tcohen :d 21:57 rangi or good 21:57 rangi then either bad 21:57 cait i think wnickc said it was ok 21:57 rangi start 21:56 cait thought it was git bisect good... but 21:56 rangi could you quickly try 3.18.x to make sure its ok there? 21:56 cait but stuck after git bisect start 21:56 cait thought i'd try a bisect 21:56 cait master 21:56 rangi heh 21:56 eythian he's replacing it with coffee stouts 21:55 rangi not too bad, just have to take beta blockers, and advised i should cut back caffeine 21:55 eythian It ought to be that if you turn on debug, it loads that module that makes all errors give a stacktrace. 21:55 tcohen how are you doing! 21:55 rangi hey tcohen 21:55 tcohen rangi! 21:55 rangi what branch master? 21:55 wnickc glad I am not alone, but sad I am not alone too 21:54 cait opac-search.pl: No homebranch at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Reserves.pm line 2157., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=4 21:54 * dcook waves 21:53 cait wnickc: think you are right... i don't really see a pattern yet 21:53 cait and now it's just not working 21:53 cait really weird, i was testing tha tags patches earlier and did searches 21:53 wizzyrea or one of the potential results? 21:53 wizzyrea does the result have reserves? 21:53 wnickc hmm..I get it for searches that would have multiples 21:53 cait but i def see it suddenly now too 21:52 cait hm or not 21:52 cait yep 21:52 cait it happens when it would redirect to a single result i think 21:52 cait i got it too 21:52 cait aaah 21:52 wizzyrea what happens with a clean db? 21:52 wnickc branches, everything, staff clinet all fine 21:51 cait but htat works? 21:51 wnickc search for 'a' returns all results, but can't make any other searches work 21:51 wizzyrea do you have branches defined? 21:51 wizzyrea does the user have a branch assigned? 21:51 wnickc both regular and superlibrarian 21:51 cait :) 21:51 wizzyrea cait: no it just happens that 1. birds are adorable and 2. they happen to do funny things that seem appropriate to your expressed feelings ^.^ 21:50 wizzyrea what is your username 21:50 wizzyrea or a regular user with superlibrarian permissions? 21:50 cait would that bring up more than one result? 21:50 wizzyrea are you logging in as the database user? 21:50 cait hmmmm weird 21:49 p_vdk Goodbye Koha 21:49 huginn wnickc: I suck 21:49 wnickc @ http://10.85.20.114/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=shoes 21:49 wnickc No homebranch at /home/nick/kohaclone/C4/Reserves.pm line 2157. 21:48 wizzyrea lol 21:48 cait :) 21:48 cait so i am abird. i get it . 21:48 cait lol 21:47 wizzyrea http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dimi.gif 21:47 cait qa really makes you a bit paranoid i guess 21:47 * cait passes a patch and wonders what she missed 21:45 wnickc one sec, patrons 21:44 cait wnickc: what's the full error? on which page does it appear? 21:44 cait all good 21:44 cait placed a hold now too 21:43 wnickc Yeah no homebranch at ...Reserves.pm 21:43 cait hm maybe your logs have something useful? 21:43 eythian (though, searching should work anyway) 21:43 wahanui superlibrarian is probably one of the permissions 21:43 wnickc superlibrarian 21:43 eythian wnickc: super librarian, or database user? 21:42 wnickc yeah, it's me 21:42 cait logged in, searched, detail view 21:42 cait hmmm works ok for me 21:42 wnickc I am logging in with superlibrarian 21:41 cait hi tcohen 21:41 tcohen hi 21:41 wnickc search 21:41 wnickc log in to opac 21:41 cait eythian: um... not really 21:41 wizzyrea big bird is from S... that. 21:41 cait wnickc: what are the steps that lead to the error? 21:41 eythian You never watched Sesamstrasse? 21:41 cait hm 21:40 wnickc hrm...all good if I checkout 3.18.x 21:40 bag bigbird? 21:40 cait lol 21:40 eythian what happened to your childhood? 21:40 eythian you ... don't know bigbird? 21:40 cait big yellow bird?? 21:40 eythian eythian±± 21:40 * cait glares a little at eythian 21:38 cait i don't think you need me for that 21:37 wizzyrea yay I got karma! 21:37 cait wizzyrea++ 21:37 cait heh 21:35 eythian I was just providing visual aids! 21:35 wizzyrea this is cait *now* http://i.imgur.com/GoWMbeP.gif 21:35 eythian hey, it was you saying that you break all the things! 21:34 cait that's not very flattering :) 21:34 wizzyrea haha 21:34 cait :P 21:34 eythian http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif <-- this is cait 21:33 * cait breaks all the things 21:33 * cait should probably stay away from patches tonight 21:28 wnickc no, sorry, just won't perform a search 21:28 eythian because that ain't likely to be a koha problem 21:28 eythian your VM actually dies? 21:25 cait probably something else now 21:25 wnickc i have changed many preferences :) 21:24 cait last i saw that is ages ago... was a bug in singlebranchmode 21:24 cait did you change a pref setting maybe? 21:23 cait hm 21:23 wnickc did I break somethign? My VM dies when I do a search in OPAC if logged in "No branchcode in Reserves.pm" 21:23 rangi https://www.catalyst.net.nz/show-and-tell/blog/importance-upstreaming 21:22 wahanui what's up, eythian 21:22 eythian hi 21:18 andreashm haha 21:18 rangi i think the lowest UX rating a site could get is "It's more usable than most OPACs" next one up is "It doesn't actively punch me in the face when i try to use it" 21:18 wnickc hah 21:17 rangi (still better than a lot of other ILS but thats a pretty incredibly low bar) 21:17 rangi at the moment, kinda can half do either .. not well 21:16 rangi (if you saw the screen shot) 21:16 rangi too 21:16 rangi yeah, i could just choose the one i want 21:16 andreashm wnickc: absolutely. 21:16 wnickc ideally it would allow for both though 21:16 cait heh yeah 21:15 andreashm rangi: academic libraries would se that a liiitle bit differently. =) 21:15 wnickc though everything makes new problems too 21:15 wnickc frbr would make things os much more pleasant 21:14 wnickc yes, though I prefer that problem to the people who won't take the paperback 21:13 rangi and then cancel 2 when one comes in etc 21:13 rangi i dont want to have to place 3 different holds 21:13 rangi i dont really care if its hardback or paperback or the reprint with a foreward 21:13 rangi but yeah, when i want a copy of two towers 21:13 wnickc :( 21:12 rangi nope 21:12 wnickc thwey don't use koha? 21:12 rangi because i cant find a damn thing with their catalogue 21:12 rangi i dont use my local library 21:12 wnickc I think we do want patrons 21:12 rangi we have to to get something like frbr 21:12 rangi but definitely, if we want people to keep using libraries 21:10 rangi (and the rdf/semantic stuff) 21:10 rangi i think we would do it in a different way now, and would be coordinated with the intergration of sane^H^H^H^H non-marc data also 21:09 wnickc rangi: can we get it back? assuming it would be neither free nor easy, but would it be acceptable? 21:05 rangi no worries 21:05 indradg thanks rangi :) 21:04 indradg ok! i got it! 21:04 indradg it is production ready 21:04 indradg basically separate clients who would like to see what is happening on their money... until 21:04 rangi they could all share a git clone, or they could all have separate ones, up to you 21:03 rangi and then use koha-gitify 21:03 rangi id still use the koha-create 21:03 indradg rangi: dev only 21:03 rangi indradg: this is for dev only eh? cos you arent crazy enough to do prodcution with git? :) 21:02 cait was a reserve screen too i think 21:02 indradg but what is the best approach to take when working with git 21:02 cait rangi: not sure it were the very first 21:02 indradg peeps, I know what to do when I wish to do multi-tenanted hosting on a stable version of Koha - separate koha-create calls along with dns entries to map the vhosts, and accordingly updated in respective koha-httpd.conf 21:02 andreashm rangi: haha, cool to see. 21:01 rangi cait: first tabs? 21:01 rangi wnickc: it was frbr, before we knew what frbr was :) 21:00 wahanui kia ora, indradg 21:00 indradg hi 20:59 rangi thats what biblioitems allowed you to do 20:59 rangi thes colours were better 20:59 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/reserve 20:59 wnickc doesn't the separation of biblioitems/biblio sort of leave the door open for FRBR? or would that be a different approach 20:59 cait was quite colorful too 20:58 cait kyle showed me a screenshot of the first tabs in koha 20:58 nengard wow 20:58 cait i love the colors 20:56 rangi andreashm: from about 2001 http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/moving-items 20:54 andreashm we where looking at "Koha to Marc mapping" today, trying to figure out why stuff is done the way it is. this explains a lot, thanks. 20:51 rangi Joubu++ 20:50 cait small steps is key 20:50 rangi code refactoring is good in theory, in practice .. it goes horribly wrong more times than not, because people rush it 20:50 cait Joubu++ for fixing a bug i reported in 2010 20:48 rangi it'd be a good project for someone who had the time to do it properly 20:48 rangi but probably break a zillion things 20:48 rangi now its because removing it would gain pretty much nothing for end users 20:48 cait breaking that 20:47 andreashm so historically there was a reason for it, but not so much now? 20:47 * cait is not sure that would have passed qa today ;) 20:47 rangi now its 1-1-many 20:47 rangi by placing the hold at the biblioitem level 20:46 rangi like place a hold on all large print versions of a book, but not the paperbacks etc 20:46 rangi so you could do things that you still cant properly do now 20:46 rangi you could have one biblio, many biblioitems, and many items 20:46 rangi in koha up until 2.0.0 20:45 rangi you'll notice isbn, edition, volume etc is at biblioitem level 20:45 rangi when storing MARC natively was added, it was done in a way that broke the normalisation of data 20:44 wizzyrea it's a vestige of early Koha 20:44 andreashm on a completely different topic, what is the point of biblioitems really? why not just have biblios and item? 20:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, druthb, CLOSED FIXED, OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib 20:38 cait bug 7613 btw 20:38 cait need to build something that gets you the records and then... push it to the rest api 20:37 andreashm pubsubhubbub sounds (except for the name) like a better solution. I'm usure of how much it's used/developed though. (just like ResourceSync) 20:37 cait bit 20:37 cait b 20:37 cait whatever you do... you need the harvesting bi 20:37 cait hm yeah 20:37 rangi its incredibly specific to oclc, but could work for others i guess .. its still not pull tho, still push from oclc 20:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P1 - high, ---, dcook, ASSIGNED , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client 20:36 andreashm bug 10662 for instance 20:36 rangi acttually if you look in misc/bin/connexion_import_daemon.pl 20:36 cait true 20:35 andreashm But that could be worked on, if it is deemed a viable approach. 20:35 andreashm cait: I know. 20:35 cait andreashm: koha can't harvest currently 20:35 rangi nothing is listening tho, its pushing, not pulling 20:35 rangi yes 20:35 cait it listens... to something... not sure what 20:35 bag doesn’t marcedit use the same service? 20:35 andreashm sounds better to have a metadata harvetser/webhook kind of thing. 20:34 cait a similar service 20:34 rangi a 20:34 cait yeah.. but i thik you could build something similar 20:34 rangi you do something in connexion, and it uses the svc/import_bib to push the biblio into koh 20:34 rangi ie koha doesnt find out 20:34 rangi and you do it from oclc 20:33 rangi im pretty sure its a bywater thing 20:31 cait but the idea to have a script that somehow sees there is a new record to import... that's interesting 20:31 cait i am not interested in the proprietary bits so much 20:31 cait ok 20:31 rangi not me 20:31 cait i thought srdjan wrote it :) 20:31 rangi unless someone pays me to 20:31 cait heh 20:30 rangi i tend not to bother learning about proprietary stuff 20:30 rangi no idea 20:30 rangi naw 20:30 cait how it sees there is a new record to import? 20:30 cait rangi: do you know how it works? 20:30 andreashm ah. 20:29 cait i think the interesting bits are the parts in koha for that 20:29 andreashm cait: they seem to have something called OCLC Connextion. Not an open protocol so not so interesting. 20:28 cait you coudl also add records using the restful api - we do that for ILL records 20:28 cait it uses the staging process 20:27 cait afaikt you click ona button in the cataloguing client and the record ends up in koha 20:27 cait andreashm: i think it was this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/oclcappendix.html 20:26 cait hm that's not the one i was looking for actually 20:24 cait andreashm: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/OCLC_Connexion 20:24 andreashm I'll try to do that. 20:23 cait maybe lok at the way the worldcat integration was done? 20:23 cait i understand :) 20:23 andreashm cait: nightly imports can be done know. we are thinking of a better solution. 20:23 cait so that the scripts know we want updates for those... and also ILL etc. 20:23 cait we have the holdings only in koha - there is only some basic entry that the library has the book in our union catalog 20:22 cait i tihnk there is something for worldcat that works more immediate 20:22 andreashm at least the bibliographic info. holdings and items are up for debate. 20:22 cait hm what we do is a nightly import + z39.50 20:21 andreashm Libris, the union catalog 20:21 cait andreashm: where is the cataloguing done in your model? 20:20 andreashm (I'm thinking on how to integrate Koha with the Swedish union catalog) 20:20 andreashm or any other protocol/application I should look at? 20:19 andreashm anyone know if ResourceSync is actually used to harvest metadata somewhere, or if it's just OAI-PMH or pubsubhubbub (if even that?). 20:08 cait waited for this one for quite a while 20:07 andreashm cait: haha 20:07 cait i made a happy dance today :) 20:07 andreashm cait: sounds great 20:04 cait morning rangi 20:03 rangi morning 20:02 cait andreashm: there is one catch for us still with allowonshelfholds... that one checked out item of the defined combination is enough to 'unlock' holds for that combination - but this is a great first step 20:01 cait andreashm: yes 20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 new feature, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix 20:00 andreashm so, bug 5786 pushed to master. this will allow placing holds on onshelf items according to itemtype, yes? 19:38 cait brb 19:37 cait :) 19:35 andreashm mjello 19:32 tcohen bye! 19:32 tcohen will try to write some regression tests at home 19:31 tcohen i fixed it on a branch bug_13909_suspension_calculation on my github 19:28 tcohen is not really Joubu's fault, just joking 19:27 tcohen 13909 19:26 cait what are we blaming Joubu for? :) 19:23 * tcohen hates needing to think of duration units :-P 18:56 tcohen its Joubu's fault :-P 18:54 tcohen and it isn't 18:54 tcohen _debar_user_on_return should be using _get_chargeable_units 18:51 tcohen it seems to do some weird calculation 18:38 khall it creates a unique debarment of the type SUSPENSION 18:37 khall both are in C4::Circulation 18:37 khall called by AddReturn 18:37 khall _debar_user_on_return 18:35 khall right 18:35 tcohen borrower_debarments 18:33 khall I'll have more answers soon 18:33 khall no, it creates a debarment I think 18:33 khall right, give me a few minutes and I'll find you an answer 18:33 tcohen actually, do we have a table for suspension days? 18:31 tcohen khall: the fines in days are calculated when checking in, but the CalcFine and UpdateFine routines seem to talk about accountlines only 18:19 khall no, but I can find out! 18:19 tcohen khall: do u know what routine calculates fines in days? 18:07 * cait waves 17:13 cait fridolin++ 16:33 * fridolin releasing 3.14.14 16:21 * mveron has to go to buy a new coffee machine... 16:14 nengard at least it has a bug report 16:14 nengard yup 16:13 cait the secone one... obviously 16:13 nengard :) 16:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13876 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Permission issues on updating via installer - dev installations 16:13 cait bug 13876 16:13 cait arg 16:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13875 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration - table name cannot contain underscore 16:13 nengard no need i can upgrade via the command line 16:13 cait bug 13875 16:12 cait nengard: what i do is revert the change that broke it... but that's a bit drastic :) 16:12 nengard so it's a known bug - good to know 16:12 nengard oh okay 16:12 cait nengard: wait for the fix tomake it into Koha 16:12 ashimema personal one I think 16:10 ashimema de 16:10 cait ashimema: which email did you use? 16:07 gerundio and there's no <index_subfields> relating to that offset in the 100$a subfield 16:06 gerundio "Language of cataloguing (mandatory) 3 22-24 do not index in ln" 16:06 gerundio btw, in "et/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml", next to the field 100 indexes it states 16:04 gerundio is this value stored elsewhere? 16:04 gerundio at least the "marc" and "marcxml" fields in the "biblioitems" table 16:03 gerundio even though the database records have the new value 16:03 gerundio nevertheless, after reindexing Zebra the results for find queries on yaz-client still show the 'fre' string 16:03 nengard everytime i upgrade koha now i get this error: Cannot open log file /home/nengard/koha-dev/var/log/updatedatabase_2015-03-25T11:02:58.log: No such file or directory at /home/nengard/kohaclone/installer/install.pl line 332 -- how do I fix it? 16:02 gerundio I ran the script I created on a testing environment and all fre occurrences where updated to the value I inserted into the UNIMARCField100Language system prefence 16:01 huginn 04Bug 9453: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Failed QA , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference 16:01 gerundio regarding this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 15:55 ashimema i was going to submit it as a bug some time 15:55 ashimema just forwarded her mail to you regarding that bug.. 15:54 cait that'd be cool 15:54 ashimema I'll get janet to forward her wishlist to you ;) 15:53 cait hm? 15:53 ashimema be great to add branch level rules ;) 15:53 cait will work on spec soon 15:53 cait if you plan something let me know 15:53 cait me too 15:53 ashimema and now I wan't some further enhancements to it ;) 15:53 cait yep :) 15:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix 15:53 ashimema awesome! bug 5786 15:42 cait me too :) 15:41 * mveron likes to see vanish low bug numbers... 15:39 mveron Hi cait :-) 15:38 mveron Joubu: De rien... :-) 15:38 cait hi mveron :) 15:38 Joubu mveron: thanks for your signoffs :) 15:36 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 6.0°C (4:30 PM CET on March 25, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 15:36 mveron @wunder Allschwil 15:36 mveron Hi #Koha 15:20 nengard makes sense 15:20 Joubu nengard: great :) Don't forget to specify the remote's name if you want to point to a remote branch. 15:18 nengard Joubu all better!!! 15:16 nengard sorry had a phone call - am back - reading up 15:10 Joubu mveron++ 15:02 Joubu git checkout -b 3.16.x origin/manual3.16.x # if the remote branch is manual3.16.x 15:02 Joubu git checkout -b 3.16.x origin/3.16.x # should do the job 15:02 Joubu so git stash; # optional 15:01 Joubu the remote is certainly 'origin' 15:01 Joubu nengard: git remote -v should list the remotes 15:01 nengard fatal: ambiguous argument 'remote/manual3.16.x': unknown revision or path not in the working tree. 15:01 nengard Nicole-Pro:manual nengard$ git reset --hard remote/manual3.16.x 15:00 nengard uh oh :) hehe - no biggy i have no data to lose in this one 15:00 Joubu (last time I helped someone with git, he lost data...) 14:59 Joubu git reset --hard remote/branch 14:59 nengard oh okay - what part do i change? 14:59 Joubu nengard: to refer to the remote branch, you need to specify the remote 14:59 nengard both local and remote 14:58 Joubu nengard: what is manual3.16.x? It's a local branch 14:55 nengard SO EXCITING!!!! 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix 14:54 cait woohooo bug 5786 14:54 nengard i have nothing locally i want to save to that branch - i want it to match the git repo exactly 14:52 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/manual3.16.x 14:52 nengard because that commit isn't on that branch - i just checked 14:52 nengard HEAD is now at d3f1fc9 add links to cron to usagestats prefs 14:52 nengard see this makes no sense : Nicole-Pro:manual nengard$ git reset --hard manual3.16.x 14:52 nengard oh ... maybe i'll try that last one 14:49 Joubu actually reset - - hard remote_branch_name 14:48 Joubu nengard: you can checkout the files (git checkout files list), or stash the changes (git stash), or reset --hard HEAD (BUT only if you need what it does, ie. will delete all your local changes) 14:46 nengard I tried deleting the branch, creating the branch and pulling the branch but it's still showing things that don't belong 14:46 nengard one of my branches of the manual is totally screwy on my system - how do i grab a fresh copy of it? 14:45 nengard git experts I need you help :) 14:43 Joubu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwBhxBBa7tE 14:38 gerundio I found this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/resetzebra.html 14:36 gerundio is there a workaround for this? 14:36 gerundio rebuild_zebra.pl script enforces "Must specify -b or -a to reindex bibs or authorities" 14:35 gerundio is there anyway to simply reset zebra indexes without reindexing? 14:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13801: svc/bib - Set charset to utf-8 on printing header <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1410422ab65a7049411edab96d4ae0de454466ef> / Bug 12820: [QA Followup] Tab and whitespace cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=836a7eba0b76a034a18fd0bfc46b97caf907dc10> / Bug 12820: Handle rental fees in Sip issue and renew <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko 14:11 kivilahtio I'll share my cukes soon nad boy they are nice :) 14:10 kivilahtio But writing tests with those is soooo mcuh more convenient than the Koha-way 14:10 kivilahtio I wonder when that is held 14:10 kivilahtio Maybe this is something I could present during the next developer IRC meeting? 14:09 kivilahtio khall: But if somebody other than me would use them as well we might get some more use cases onthose factories and could see how well they work outside of the overdues module 14:08 kivilahtio khall: I think they are still taking shape and need documentation 14:08 kivilahtio cool 14:08 khall I imagine I would 14:07 kivilahtio khall: What I was hoping is that somebody else would as well use those Factories when writing tests 14:07 khall nice! 14:07 kivilahtio khall: I am writing those Cucumber tests, which are pretty awesome. To make them maintainable and easy to define I need a clean way of dealing with context 14:03 khall I do like the idea of having canned bibs, patrons, etc. ready to go and to use in unit tests 14:02 kivilahtio with hidden test grouos, vs explicitly defined test objects 14:02 kivilahtio I haven't tested those example groups since i refactored the Cucumber tests out of them, having realized the tests wouldnt be as descriptive 14:01 kivilahtio I am currently calling those test factories from Cucumber tests 13:59 kivilahtio Joubu: Bug 13906 13:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, In Discussion , TestObjectFactory(ies) for Koha objects. Enable easy Test object creation from HASHes or from preconfigured test groups. 13:59 kivilahtio khall: Bug 13906 13:55 kivilahtio brb 13:55 kivilahtio ill share the initial commit 13:55 kivilahtio just curious if you could take a peek and would find it interesting to easuly create borrowers and biblios and issues and lettertemplates and and and 13:54 khall sounds intriguing 13:54 kivilahtio erm attaching it 13:54 kivilahtio I am applying it 13:54 kivilahtio khall: Nice Factory classes for generating test objects, from hashes or from preconfigured test groups 13:54 khall what's the bug number? 13:54 kivilahtio khall: want to take a peek at my TestObjectFactories? 13:54 kivilahtio hmm how did I miss that 13:53 khall yes, look at Koha/Objects.pm 13:53 kivilahtio you can? 13:53 khall kivilahtio: I'm not understanding the purpose of adding count() to a singular object, when you can already call count on an object set ( Koha::Objects ) 13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Wrapping DBIx count inside Koha Object 13:51 kivilahtio Joubu: khall: Could you please comment this 5row commit? Bug 13905. Don't sign it off or anythinig, just asking if it is a sane way of fetching the count? 13:43 ashimema fun 13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13810 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Prevent updatedatabase.pl from breaking because of case insensitive utf8 collation 13:43 ashimema bug 13810 13:15 Joubu Hi tcohen! 13:15 tcohen hi Joubu 13:15 tcohen hi ashimema 13:15 Joubu ashimema: the comment said "I am really busy atm" 13:12 cait [off] i dm'ed him on twitter - working on a bigger project - i think he will be back 13:05 ashimema no irc though it seems. 13:03 Joubu ashimema: he posted a comment on a bug this morning :) 13:02 ashimema what's happened to oleanard? 12:58 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 14.0°C (9:55 AM ART on March 25, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 12:58 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:57 huginn cait: oleonard was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on. 12:57 cait @seen oleonard 12:54 p_vdk hi cait! 12:54 cait hi p_vdk :) 12:54 p_vdk Hello 12:53 tcohen hi cait 12:52 cait h tcohen :) 12:50 tcohen morning 11:47 kivilahtio so localtime() or time() would return time with some offset 11:47 kivilahtio Doesn anybody know if it is possible to change the Environment time for Perl, so I could test Koha as if I was in the future or past? 11:45 ashimema a couple of additional thoughts on the api rfc: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=New_REST_API_RFC&action=historysubmit&diff=14460&oldid=14336 11:08 gaetan_B bye 10:52 indradg AmitG: yep 10:52 AmitG indradg 10:52 AmitG hi 10:36 ashimema oops 10:36 ashimema ohh.. two clients. 10:34 magnuse yup 10:34 wahanui lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting 10:34 magnuse lunchtime! 10:33 magnuse kia roa ashimema_ 10:32 ashimema_ hi cait.. even 10:32 ashimema_ hi ciat 10:32 cait morning ashimema ;) 10:18 khall mornin magnuse! 10:17 magnuse kia ora khall 10:15 khall mornin cait! 10:15 cait mornin khall :) 10:13 khall mornin #koha! 10:07 magnuse bonjour paul_p 09:52 cait Joubu: cool :) 09:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12488 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bulkmarcimport.pl -d option should use DELETE instead of TRUNCATE 09:52 * magnuse glares at bug 12488 09:51 magnuse cait: in the display 09:51 Joubu cait: you, sophie, laurence and me agree. It should not be so bad 09:50 cait ok :) 09:50 Joubu I won't change lots of things :) 09:50 cait Joubu: not sure if we could get someone else to look at this before you change lots of things hm 09:49 Joubu k 09:49 cait Joubu: yes... i think i do 09:49 cait and don't show suggestions made? i guess 09:48 cait what i'd expect (and hopefully not wrong) is show in opac navigation and set the borrowernumber to the anonymous patron 09:48 Joubu a non logged in user should not be able to see suggestions from anonymouspatron, do you agree? 09:48 cait magnuse: not sure i understand your third sentence - do you man for display or in the database? 09:48 Joubu cait: Another question :) If AnonSuggestions= 1 but OPACViewOthersSuggestions=0 09:48 Joubu cait: ok I will reintroduce it 09:47 cait Joubu: gah? 09:14 nlegrand god morgen magnuse o/ 09:14 nlegrand hey cait o/ 09:11 Joubu cait: since the begining (2007), the "my suggestions" tab is hidden if AnonSuggestions is set... 08:54 atheia Hello magnuse! 08:53 magnuse hiya atheia! 08:49 magnuse and i would expect suggestions from others to always be anonymized (not linked to a patron) 08:48 magnuse and i would expect OPACViewOthersSuggestions to let me see suggestions that others have made 08:48 magnuse cait: i think i would expect AnonSuggestions to let non-loggedin users post purchase suggestions 08:47 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B and nlegrand 08:47 magnuse cait: windows installing updates for you? 08:43 cait hi nlegrand 08:42 nlegrand hey #koha 08:36 gaetan_B hello 08:36 cait my computer just shut itself off 08:36 cait huh 08:32 magnuse nah, sorry 08:25 cait magnuse: opinion on bug 4137? 08:25 cait or adding an option ot have both *shudder* 08:24 cait yeah, it's either one way or the other 08:24 cait good question - i think we need to know what people expect of AnonSuggestions 08:24 Joubu I don't know how it should work, so it's difficult to fix it :) 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , OPACViewOthersSuggestions does not work 08:24 Joubu cait: so, what about bug 4137? 08:23 * cait grumps because for some reason she can#t access her bug mail from work these days :( 08:23 cait very glad to see them go 08:23 cait true 08:22 Joubu some are really easy to fix and are there for so long 08:22 cait Joubu++ 08:22 magnuse Joubu++ 08:22 Joubu cait: yep :) 08:22 cait are you on a mission with the old bugs? 08:21 cait hi Joubu :) 08:21 Joubu o/ 08:14 cait hi fridolin :) 08:14 fridolin hie 08:02 alex_a bonjour 07:29 drojf hei magnuse 07:29 magnuse moin drojf 07:27 drojf morning #koha 07:11 liw rangi, ooh, interesting 06:56 * magnuse waves 04:28 AmitG chris around? 04:19 eythian git is applying patches to the wrong file in a rebase. That's very annoying. 03:32 bag oh that would be brilliant 03:25 wizzyrea TRUE. 03:25 rangi he cant make it any less complicated than the librarians tell us to make it that's for sure 03:25 wizzyrea oh oh or the label maker. 03:25 wizzyrea let's get the drunk guy to tell us about acquisitions. 03:25 wizzyrea maybe not the opac. 03:24 wizzyrea i would fear for koha. 03:22 rangi heh 03:21 eythian http://theuserisdrunk.com/ 01:38 mtj rangi: looks amazing ^ 01:37 wahanui it has been said that #koha is all kinds of good drugs today 01:37 mtj hey #koha... 01:14 rangi liw: http://vaarakirjastot.fi/web/english/program 01:08 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 01:08 eythian wahanui: ping 01:05 eythian that seems a bit suspect. 01:05 eythian *archives 01:05 eythian the archices show things, but very few replies. 01:05 eythian hmm 01:04 eythian I've had no list messages since Sunday. Is this expected?