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23:18 bag oh whoops cait is gone
23:18 bag cait: done
23:05 dcook lol
23:02 tcohen disturbingly busy day
23:01 eythian weirdo :)
23:01 cait bye eythian :-P
22:53 eythian bye cait
22:53 eythian hi cait
22:52 cait night #koha
22:50 dcook Good ol' tardigrades
22:46 eythian tardigrades moreso
22:45 bag birds are the one animal that are everywhere - every habitat etc
22:44 bag I would choose the super power of flying over swimming
22:44 cait hi tcohen :)
22:39 dcook hey tcohen :)
22:38 tcohen hi dcook
22:36 dac Just saying
22:36 dac Sounds like a super species to me
22:36 dac Depending on the bird... you can walk, swim, and fly
22:36 dac Being a bird would be sweet!
22:34 wahanui hello, tcohen
22:34 tcohen hi
22:28 wizzyrea this is a phase that may or may not end :)
22:26 bag ever changing animal that one - the imagination has kicked in
22:26 rangi heh
22:26 bag Ginny just ran in and said - Hi birdie daddy… today she is a baby bird
22:23 drojf night
22:12 cait and i can't locate the code for it? gr.
22:12 cait hm the routing list slip has a badly formatted date
22:07 drojf it says so in the agenda too ;)
22:05 drojf i thought we'll vote in may
21:58 rangi bag++
21:58 rangi thanks bag
21:56 bag see if it makes sense
21:56 bag I’ve got a draft - I’m going to let it sit for another 30 minutes and then reread it
21:56 cait ok :)
21:56 bag I am working on that one cait
21:56 cait did you send your other email too?
21:55 cait bag++
21:54 bag rangi: done
21:32 bag not fast - but sometime today
21:32 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:32 eythian no wahanui, general meeting is 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC
21:31 wahanui ...but general meeting is when?...
21:31 eythian wahanui: general meeting is 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC
21:31 bag let me finish my first email and then I will do that
21:31 rangi awesome thanks
21:31 bag I can do that rangi
21:31 rangi hmm someone should probably email about the roles for 3.22
21:31 bag 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC
21:30 eythian don't keep it to yourself bag
21:29 bag got it - thanks wiki
21:27 wahanui general meeting is when?
21:27 bag general meeting?
21:27 bag anybody have an idea of the next general meeting?
21:21 wnickc I would be more comfortable in a world with less proof of rule 34
21:10 eythian http://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-clippy-gets-down-and-dirty-in-new-erotic-e-book/
21:07 eythian hi
20:44 rangi yup
20:41 wizzyrea also, just reiterating that *design is important*
20:19 cait ah, me too
20:19 drojf morning rangi
20:18 rangi heh that confused me for a minute I thought it was butte montana
20:15 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:15 rangi @later tell joubu just a vestige .. Koha::Log or something should theoretically take its place
20:14 cait morning rangi
20:14 rangi morning
20:11 cwhitehouse Thanks for all of the info I really appreciate it. I'll go check in on the bywater IRC channel
20:11 cwhitehouse Ok Thanks for the info. I had the library staff who usually handles bywater support requests to put in a request for me to talk to someone in their support team but I thought I might as well ask here. I am not a programmer just a network technician that supports their staff network but its possible if bywater does not have a solution thewy could always hire someone to write the needed script for them.
20:10 Brendon Exit
20:09 cait cwhitehouse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha
20:08 cait but you could program something - maybe ils-di would be a bit easier there
20:08 wnickc thanks cait, meant to be more inclusive
20:08 cait sip is pretty library specific
20:08 cait hmmm maybe not a ready made one
20:07 cwhitehouse ok so theoretically I could find a script compatible with Koha's sip connection to use to validate a valid library card before they could access the protected page?
20:07 wnickc they have a channel too #bws-partners
20:06 wnickc there are probably some bywater folks around here
20:06 cait but sip is pretty common
20:06 cait or ils-di - there are a few options for authentication
20:06 wnickc other sites can use SIP to validate through koha
20:06 wnickc cwhitehouse: checking out books should be handled directly through koha
20:05 cwhitehouse I ask because they want to offer seveal links through their website but they would like Patrons to have to validate with their library card before they have access and I am just starting to look at ways to accomplish this
20:04 cwhitehouse Patrons use their library card number to check out books are those library cards valiudated through Koha or is bywatersolutions handling that seperatly?
20:03 mtj interesting.. -> http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/the-gnu-manifesto-turns-thirty
20:02 cwhitehouse I am helping the Butte County Library with a few questions. They are Using Koha that is reemotely installed and managed by a hosting company called bywatersolutions http://butte.bywatersolutions.com
20:02 mtj drojf: awesome news on the translation stufff :0)
20:02 * wnickc waves back
20:01 * mtj waves to cwhitehouse, wnickc
20:01 mtj morning #koha
20:01 cwhitehouse ok great
20:00 wnickc Sure
20:00 cwhitehouse Hi is someone available to ask a few very simple Koha questions to?
19:49 cait drojf++
19:43 drojf downloading the file to test with 5k/s
19:42 drojf translation server is really slow now
19:41 drojf first full translation for 3.18.5 \o/
19:16 cait hm no tcohen
18:29 nengard_phone thanks bag that worked
18:07 * cait waves
17:59 bag if you are using git dev install (that is)
17:59 bag ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
17:59 nengard what's that command?
17:58 nengard grumble :)
17:58 bag run it from the commandline nengard ?
17:57 bag look for logging the updatedatabase as a bug
17:57 nengard so - how do i upgrade then
17:57 bag nengard: it’s a recently pushed patch - I think eythian made some adjustments to the patch
17:52 nengard Cannot open log file /home/nengard/koha-dev/var/log/updatedatabase_2015-03-18T12:52:13.log: No such file or directory at /home/nengard/kohaclone/installer/install.pl line 332.
17:52 nengard just did a git pull on my koha and got an error i've never seen when trying to upgrade:
16:27 cait yeah, split it up now... but not happy
16:27 nengard eek
16:26 cait timed out on me for 3.000 borrowers :(
16:26 cait hm 3.18 borrower import is very slow
16:03 reiveune bye
14:45 barton that might or might not be relevant.
14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8751 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , printable version of holds queue printing different pages
14:44 barton cait: I did find this: Bug 8751 - printable version of holds queue printing different pages
14:43 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:43 Joubu @later tell rangi "Do you know if C4::Debug is useful or just a vestige?"
14:43 barton cait: yes. Sometimes they can print all pages.
14:43 Joubu Does someone know if C4::Debug is useful or just a vestige?
14:42 cait intermittent?
14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, can't print more than one page of overdues
14:40 sophie_m barton: Bug 10108 ?
14:36 barton do we have any way of tracking intermittent issues, community wide? that would be a powerful trouble-shooting tool.
14:33 barton cait ... good to know. I'll broaden my search.
14:31 cait barton: hm there have been bugs about only printing the first page... but not sure if it was holdsq ueue
14:17 barton I just had one of our partners report an intermittent issue that I hadn't run into before -- when they print the holds queue, and it spans multiple pages, sometimes only page 1 will print. It's not a diacritics issue, according to the partner. Anyone ever see anything similar?
14:15 * barton waves the morning wave.
13:50 Joubu just to avoid an empty file
13:50 Joubu if one is empty (i.e. no error or no success), it is removed
13:50 Joubu no, the redirections of stdout and stderr are done in 2 separated files (updatedatabase_TIMESTAMP.log and updatedatabase-error_TIMESTAMP.log)
13:49 nengard and #koha
13:49 cait i think i don't quite understand how it works
13:49 nengard hi magnuse
13:49 cait the file name has a timestamp as part of it - i thought it woudl delete the file from the last intaller run
13:49 Joubu cait: actually I remove the file if it is empty
13:49 cait i think i misread
13:49 cait it's the same file it created earlier, right?
13:48 Joubu cait: the time stamp bit?
13:48 magnuse kia ora nengard
13:47 cait it's confusing to me
13:46 cait hm not sure - it looks like it would not work because it's missing the time stamp bit
13:44 Joubu the rm removes a file created before
13:43 cait Joubu: i think it's used for other things if you are running a dev install - i think the eval does rm something... it looked dangerous
13:42 tcohen the fact that the apache process runs with a different user… we cannot avoid it
13:42 Joubu cait: yes, the permissions need to be changed
13:41 cait i think we need to change something there as currently it just breaks the installer
13:41 cait in any of my environments
13:41 cait Joubu: the other logs write there without problems - but it cannot create the file
13:40 Joubu it's not used somewhere else
13:39 Joubu cait: you can change it if needed
13:39 Joubu cait: note that the dir used is the one defined in the logdir entry of the koha conf
13:39 Joubu cait: actually we don't have a lot of choices. If we agree with the idea, we should change the permissions to this directory, it they are wrong
13:38 Joubu cait: I asked tcohen during the hackfest if the permissions were ok, and he told me yes.
13:30 tcohen morning
13:29 magnuse ah, nice to have you back huginn
13:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (2:20 PM CET on March 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
13:29 magnuse @wunder boo
13:00 cait Joubu: any news on the broken web installer? just ran into it again trying to qa :(
12:56 cait it is signed off now
12:56 cait oh
12:55 cait magnuse: i'd like to have it in 3.18 actually
12:44 magnuse sure, right after i have done a ton of other things... ;-)
12:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13863 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Datatables paging for cities and search history pages is broken
12:41 cait bug 13863 - super easy
12:39 cait magnuse: you knw yo uwant to
12:39 cait i need a signoff still :)
12:38 magnuse Joubu: not helpful :-)
12:38 * magnuse tries some music
12:33 * Joubu sends kitten's pictures to magnuse
12:32 magnuse someone please kick me back into work mode?
12:31 tcohen will try to reload the IRC client
12:30 tcohen hi cait magnuse
12:30 cait hi tcohen
12:30 tcohen http://snag.gy/MI8xm.jpg
12:30 wahanui well, breathes relieved is not his fault
12:30 * tcohen breathes relieved
12:29 magnuse here!
12:29 wahanui i heard everyone was doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
12:29 tcohen where's everyone?
12:29 tcohen morning
11:18 * thd sleeps again
11:07 kivilahtio thd: I know, we wouldn't be anywhere without it. Too many libraries fear to make the leap.
11:06 thd kivilahtio: Fearlessness is important ;)
11:06 huginn cait: oleonard was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on.
11:06 cait @seen oleonard
11:05 thd s/by RDA/for RDA under CC:DA, Committee on Cataloging: Description and Access/
11:03 kivilahtio sorry, certainly I don't know enough to be afraid :)
11:03 thd kivilahtio: On the general problem of normalisation and machine readability in bibliographic records, there is ongoing work by RDA working groups to fix some problems such as having machine readable extent statements.
11:02 kivilahtio godo enough
11:02 kivilahtio have a couple of different edition variations to cover
11:02 kivilahtio then i send that marc field to the index
11:01 kivilahtio i put in this marc field, i get this marc field out
11:01 kivilahtio give or take a couple subfields
11:01 kivilahtio thd: I thikn it is entirely testable for one MARC Field
11:01 kivilahtio thd: atleast you can try :)
11:01 thd kivilahtio: Machine testability for all cases of textual data is tricky.
10:59 thd kivilahtio: Normalisation really entails adding additional normalised fields somewhere to supplement existing fields in the original bibliographic record.
10:58 kivilahtio not saying that XSLT is bad, but I would like to have something more easily testable
10:57 kivilahtio thd: I cant remember how it was done in ES integraton, but I hope that it doesnt use the Zebra-way or even closely touch the Zebra configuration and XSLT-files
10:56 thd kivilahtio: The problem of data normalisation is independent of the indexing system used.
10:55 thd kivilahtio: exactly ;)
10:55 kivilahtio thd: yes, like having a sane sorting index for the edition statement :)
10:54 thd kivilahtio: As cait describes. The proper procedure following cataloguing rules would be to follow cataloguing rules when cataloguing and have the automation system generate additional fields as needed which normalise values based on what the cataloguer has entered.
10:54 kivilahtio thd: I will provide the index. Somebody else can work from there. Bear in mind that we are havin ElasticSearch support at the end of this year, so I am optimistic taht it will solve a lot of these problems we now have. Including making pre-indexing filtering easier
10:53 kivilahtio thd: I understand that you would like to have the values in the MARC Record somehow search-normalzied
10:53 kivilahtio thd: I am sorry, but that goes beyond my knowledge of Zebra. I tried dabbling with the XSLT-transformers buit it is not fun
10:52 thd kivilahtio: A great work would be to both index the transcribed statement and add an index for normalised values. Normalising all possible edition statements is an unbounded problem but some normalisation would be helpful for catalogue users.
10:52 cait might be wrong tho
10:52 cait kivilahtio: i think the rule is that you don't normalize, but use what's on the cover or so
10:52 kivilahtio thd: You search what you have?
10:51 kivilahtio thd: Shoudldn't that be something the cataloguer should worry about when he puts stuff in the field 205, it is not the indexers issue?
10:50 thd kivilahtio: Transcribed elements are not normalised in the form of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.
10:50 kivilahtio thd: I am all ears while I am testing the Edition index
10:49 thd kivilahtio: The problem with indexing edition statements is that they are transcribed according to cataloguing rules.
10:48 thd kivilahtio: Continuing about indexing ...
10:44 drojf scan me some food too, please
10:43 * magnuse wanders off in search of a scanner and some food
10:41 bag I can look at that one cait
10:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13863 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Datatables paging for cities and search history pages is broken
10:40 cait can we get a sign off for bug 13863 please?
10:39 gmcharlt bag: oooh, egg pie!
10:39 magnuse joann++ BobB++ slef++
10:35 bag Sonja is making quiche tonight - not sure if I want to miss that or not ‘)
10:35 kivilahtio you are welcome!
10:35 slef or if hallucinations wouldn't be a problem doing them
10:34 slef bag: depends if you have anything to do this evening
10:34 slef done
10:34 davidnind slef++
10:34 * bag decides if I climb back into bed or just starts working for the day
10:33 bag thanks everyone
10:33 * slef posts that to the agenda
10:33 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/fundraising_irc_meeting.2015-03-18-09.59.log.html
10:33 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/fundraising_irc_meeting.2015-03-18-09.59.txt
10:33 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/fundraising_irc_meeting.2015-03-18-09.59.html
10:33 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 18 10:33:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
10:33 slef #endmeeting
10:33 slef #agreed <davidnind> BIG thanks to those involved to date in working through setting this up
10:33 wahanui I watch you sleep.
10:33 davidnind joann++
10:33 BobB good night
10:32 paul_p have a good day/night/afternoon/evening/morning every one
10:32 davidnind BIG thanks to those involved to date in working through setting this up
10:32 slef yes, thanks all... it's been... well, painful, but I think we're getting a stronger step forwards for it...
10:31 slef then I'm closing if nothing is being recorded :)
10:31 joann awesome everyone.
10:31 slef you've got until the end of the radio news bulletin, maybe1 minute
10:31 joann thd++
10:30 thd I take it as given that rules can always be patched if bugs are found.
10:30 slef any last #info or shall we close this meeting?
10:30 slef thd: and publish the bloody source code ;)
10:30 thd I would hope that those drafting rules will publish the draft rules and request further comment possibly before adopting them.
10:30 slef banks--
10:29 magnuse community++
10:29 slef joann: other NZers are more likely to know what works. I know I can use stuff aimed at the UK which doesn't work outside the EU.
10:29 cait tht++
10:29 bag joann++
10:29 joann I am absolutely open to those as well . Paypal is quick and immediate solution, other options can be folded in.
10:29 slef gmcharlt++
10:29 bag THT++
10:29 * slef is still sore about kohacon12 funds getting frozen for weeks
10:29 cait gmcharlt++
10:29 BobB THT and Jo +++
10:28 slef please give non-paypal ways if you can
10:28 slef done
10:27 davidnind gmcharlt++
10:27 joann #info Joann Ransom (THT) will get the MOU signed by everyone nd filed online somewhere, establish a ban\k account, and a paypal donate button :)
10:27 * gmcharlt is also willing to commit to act as secretary to the group and provide public updates during the rule-making disucssions
10:27 slef I'll add that
10:26 BobB #info also, Next Steps in this should be an agenda item for the next IRC meeting
10:26 slef #action bag to put out a call for volunteers. There is space on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising to use
10:26 bag great thanks paul_p and gmcharlt
10:26 gmcharlt ditto
10:26 paul_p bag = you can put my name on the volunteers list
10:26 magnuse bag++
10:26 slef np bag
10:26 bag #info next step… we need volunteers for the subcommittee to establish “bylaws†etc… I volunteer to put out a call for those volunteers
10:25 bag sorry
10:25 slef The agenda says " Signatories and community to develop the rules and guidelines for deciding on grants, etc " but I think (hope!) that not all that will happen in this meeting.
10:25 bag next step… we need volunteers for the subcommittee to establish “bylaws†etc… I volunteer to put out a call for those volunteers
10:25 slef Would any of the signatories like to #info what they see as the next community-involving step, please?
10:25 huginn Yes (15): Joubu, magnuse, davidnind, joann, nlegrand, andreashm, irma, slef, BobB, khall, bag, kivilahtio, paul_p, thd, drojf
10:25 huginn Voted on "Endorse bag rangi BobB paul_p gmcharlt nengard as signatories?" Results are
10:25 slef #endvote
10:25 slef #vote Yes
10:25 paul_p #vote Yes
10:24 cait sorry, misread
10:24 cait ah, ok
10:24 drojf i didn't
10:24 slef cait: nope, see irma and joann
10:24 drojf nope
10:24 cait for it to count
10:24 slef waiting for 3 more or for about 1 minute
10:24 cait you need a capital Y
10:24 bag #vote yes
10:24 huginn Yes (12): Joubu, magnuse, davidnind, joann, nlegrand, andreashm, irma, BobB, khall, kivilahtio, thd, drojf
10:24 slef #showvote
10:23 khall #vote yes
10:22 thd #vote Yes
10:22 joann #vote yes
10:22 drojf #vote yes
10:22 joann Nicole has ben confirmed by Brendan - so yes - they are all wiling
10:22 irma #vote yes
10:22 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising
10:22 andreashm #vote Yes
10:22 davidnind #vote Yes
10:22 BobB #vote Yes
10:22 nlegrand #vote Yes
10:22 magnuse #vote Yes
10:22 Joubu #vote Yes
10:22 kivilahtio #vote Yes
10:22 slef cait: logs of which?
10:22 thd joann: Do you have the ascent of all the listed signers who did not add their own names?
10:22 cait ah found it
10:22 slef joann: I'm always abrupt so I'm not going to grumble
10:21 cait slef: could you post the wiki links again for the logs?
10:21 joann (ust realised I am tired and abrubt - sorry everyone. 11.20pm here)
10:21 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:21 huginn Begin voting on: Endorse bag rangi BobB paul_p gmcharlt nengard as signatories? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Some, Abstain.
10:21 slef #startvote Endorse bag rangi BobB paul_p gmcharlt nengard as signatories? Yes, No, Some, Abstain
10:21 magnuse gmcharlt++
10:21 slef joann: there are six listed on the wiki. I'm going to open the vote now and let people say yes/no to all, or ask to vote them one-by-one.
10:21 bag I think we open the vote
10:20 joann slef: where are we up to and what hapens now re identifying signatories?
10:20 cait no problem with the mou in general
10:20 cait i think the main problem was the short amount of time- i was travelling for example and didn#t have any chance to read the mou before the meeting - more a problem if timing than anything else
10:20 cait gmcharlt++
10:19 joann tats enough :)
10:19 thd Certainly documents require time to examine with appropriate attention. Also, long quiet periods for old issues can be problematic when we raised again to proceed.
10:19 slef ok, more questions/comments/changes, or open the vote?
10:19 gmcharlt that's it
10:19 gmcharlt tl;dr - I am willing to sign; I'm volunteering to participate on fundraising committee, particular during the initial stage
10:18 gmcharlt or
10:18 gmcharlt and, FWIW, I'm willing to participate in helping with good ones
10:18 joann and then we have to decide who is going to form a sub group to do all the hard stuf, working out how the fundraising and grants committee wil be established and operae
10:18 slef http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014.2014-12-17-21.09.html
10:18 gmcharlt but that obviously, the final details of the rules will no doubt determine the extent to which people are willing to donate
10:18 slef yeah probably - for one, I was unaware of what was happening, which is probably my fault, but the minutes of December's meeting were not exactly clear
10:18 gmcharlt namely, that because of the inclusion of the 11.3, I am now willing to sign
10:17 joann so, the question is do we have some people wiling to be signatories, and a community happy to support those nominations
10:17 gmcharlt but let me finish my initial point
10:17 gmcharlt :)
10:17 gmcharlt bag: that does not actually respond to my point that the MOU itself was visible only a day before folk were asked to give assent to others to sign it on behlf of the community
10:17 BobB I think people are overlooking the December vote
10:16 joann I think the real work, the heavy lifting, has yet to be done. This is just the first step.
10:16 bag there was a vote in december that said yes move forward etc
10:16 bag it’s not new
10:16 bag gmcharlt: that’s the thing - we’ve been working on this for a long time
10:16 gmcharlt devised prior to the naming of a grants committee
10:16 gmcharlt my substantive concerns were addressed by the inclusion of the clause that a conflict of interest policy must be
10:15 joann Chris was happy via email
10:15 gmcharlt while I've been less than thrilled at some of the pushingness to get this thing approved instantly -- why ask for community assent without a reasonable time to read the doc...
10:15 BobB thx bag
10:15 bag I have confirmed with nengard that she’s ok with signing
10:15 slef waiting on gmcharlt
10:15 joann It is just an MOU remember
10:15 paul_p joann OK
10:14 paul_p joann what kind of signature will it be ? Will it be a real signature ?
10:14 joann yes. but it could be scanned and emailed.
10:14 gmcharlt one thing to mention
10:14 slef does NZ accept digital signatures?
10:14 slef which I can't give
10:14 thd kivilahtio: trust but verify ;)
10:14 slef waiting for answer to paul_p
10:14 paul_p (even if I'd like to go to NZ once again)
10:14 drojf i put those mentioned here on the list, some of them agreed last time, some did not say anything. i think only bag put his name in the list by himself
10:14 BobB subject to their consent, I guess
10:14 kivilahtio hence I trust their verdict
10:14 slef magnuse: I understand bag added himself and the others were confirmed last meetting
10:14 paul_p what kind of signature will it be ? Will it be a real signature (don't expect me to go to NZ to sign the MOU ;-) )
10:14 kivilahtio thd: not always, I have seen some names say yes who I think know better than I do
10:14 slef Unless someone shouts, I'll open the vote...
10:13 thd kivilahtio: consensus is often wrong :)
10:13 magnuse have they all agreed to sign?
10:13 kivilahtio if Finance committee can automatically publish the fund status and all who donated to it and why, then i see no problem
10:13 slef Are we going with six?
10:13 slef Any last-gasp changes to the proposed signatories?
10:13 kivilahtio I havenät rad the agreement, but just now, and I am no financial expert, so hence I said yes, because that seems to be the consensus, just asking :)
10:12 huginn Yes (16): Joubu, magnuse, davidnind, cait, irma, andreashm, nlegrand, slef, BobB, bag, joann, gmcharlt, kivilahtio, paul_p, thd, drojf
10:12 huginn Voted on "Does this meeting endorse the MOU with Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout?" Results are
10:12 slef #endvote
10:12 thd kivilahtio may be raising an important point but I took it that the sub-committee could make its own rules for better disclosure.
10:12 joann and I am happy to publically confirm that THT wil be able to produce statements of all activity on request, or at agreed periods, with no great effort
10:12 slef 1...
10:12 slef 2...
10:12 slef closing vote in 3...
10:12 kivilahtio slef: thanks
10:12 slef kivilahtio: if we obliged THT to do work for us, we probably should give them x% to cover their admin costs, like SPI takes 5% of its project donations IIRC
10:12 bag that’s the key - what BobB - highlighted - minimise the burden on THT
10:11 kivilahtio hmm , I understand thanks for the clarification
10:11 BobB we have done everyting possible in teh MOU to minimise the burden on THT
10:11 drojf i understood it like slef did
10:11 slef I welcome joann or BobB confirming... heh
10:11 joann THT will also be able to produce monthly statements at the push of a button; no problems there.
10:11 BobB kivilahtio, it is the responsibility of the Fundraising Committee to keep the community informed of the activity in the Fund
10:11 slef kivilahtio: my understanding is that 13.1 means the Fundraising Committee has the obligation, rather than us making the Trust work for us.
10:11 kivilahtio joann: yes I know, but this is for the Fundraising Committee
10:10 joann The Trust would have to disclose details of the funds raised and how they were dispersed in our audited annual report.
10:10 kivilahtio Or would it be possible to have it somehow automatically visible?
10:09 gmcharlt #vote yes
10:09 kivilahtio I think the trust should have an obligation to publish the status of the fund?
10:09 kivilahtio Loooking at the caluse 13.4 The Trust has no obligation to publish information about the Fund but may do so freely if it wishes.
10:09 gmcharlt #infoo Galen Charlton, Equinox
10:08 gmcharlt good $time_of_day
10:08 nlegrand #vote yes
10:08 BobB #vote yes
10:08 kivilahtio #vote Yes
10:08 paul_p #vote Yes
10:08 irma #vote yes
10:08 drojf #vote yes
10:08 andreashm #vote Yes
10:08 slef I'm putting this as a enumerated vote so there can be no doubt
10:08 Joubu #vote Yes
10:08 joann #vote yes
10:08 thd #vote Yes
10:08 bag #vote Yes
10:08 davidnind #vote Yes
10:08 slef #vote Yes
10:08 irma +1
10:08 magnuse #vote Yes
10:07 cait #vote Yes
10:07 BobB +1
10:07 cait +1
10:07 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:07 huginn Begin voting on: Does this meeting endorse the MOU with Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
10:07 slef #startvote Does this meeting endorse the MOU with Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout? Yes, No, Abstain
10:07 davidnind +1
10:07 magnuse +1
10:07 bag +1
10:07 BobB I second Jo's motion
10:06 thd slef: I think that the organisation of HLT should be respected for funds ultimately managed by HLT even if the 'sub-committee' has appropriate autonomy of action.
10:06 bag +1 joann
10:06 joann I move that the grants committee be referred to as "the grants subcomittee' throughout the MOU
10:06 slef Any other amendments or questions before we move to vote?
10:06 bag no no I mean if we change it all to sub committee - then that would be consistent ;)
10:06 slef there's both terms used in one clause there
10:05 slef bag: read 11.2 and there are others
10:05 joann but yes - standardised regradles :)
10:05 bag Sub-Committee is consistent
10:05 joann I would prefer it left as a subcommittee
10:05 slef It just seems confusing to have both in there.
10:05 BobB agree
10:04 slef joann: I'm happy to have Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout, if you prefer.
10:04 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
10:04 BobB wrong slef, the grants sub-committee is a sub-committee of THT's Finance Committee
10:04 slef Would anyone second that, or BobB/joann accept the amendment?
10:04 nlegrand #info Nicolas Legrand, BULAC, France
10:04 joann It is a sub committee of THT Finance Committee
10:04 slef Sorry to amend from the chair, but I amend " with Grants Sub-committee changed to Grants Committee throughout"
10:03 joann I second that the meeting endorse the MOU
10:03 BobB I move, "That the meeting endorse the MOU"
10:02 slef #info There are six signatories proposed on there.
10:02 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising
10:02 slef #topic A fund for Koha development
10:02 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library
10:01 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre
10:01 irma #info Irma Birchall CALYX Australia
10:00 joann #info Joann Ransom, Horowhenua, NZ
10:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
10:00 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
10:00 slef #info MJ Ray, member of software.coop, England
10:00 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:00 kivilahtio #info Olli-Antti Kivilahti, Vaara-libraries, Joensuu, Finland
10:00 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
10:00 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia
10:00 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater
10:00 slef I'll give it 2 minute then move on
10:00 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
09:59 slef please introduce yourself with #info if you wish your attendance to be minuted
09:59 magnuse we already have one index that contains everything, methinks
09:59 bag magnuse: I got carried away
09:59 slef Thank you, $TZAG and welcome
09:59 magnuse bag: nah, that would be a few thousand indexes
09:59 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
09:59 slef #topic Introductions
09:59 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'fundraising_irc_meeting'
09:59 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
09:59 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 18 09:59:25 2015 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
09:59 slef #startmeeting Fundraising IRC meeting
09:59 * magnuse waves to all the people who are up at odd hours!
09:59 slef BONG
09:59 bag one index to rule them all
09:59 kivilahtio magnuse: yes
09:59 kivilahtio thd: So I said to them that wi will add search indexes as the need arises. So instead of doing arbitrary marc indexing, we index the needed subsets
09:59 magnuse one index per subfield?
09:58 thd kivilahtio: Merely that all systems underutilise the information contain in the bibliographic and other records
09:58 kivilahtio thd: I think that might be a bit too much to ask
09:58 kivilahtio thd: Our partner librarians are asking for a full marc search, so they could say any marc field and subfield to search from
09:58 kivilahtio thd: what do you mean?
09:57 thd kivilahtio: There is more which 'should' be indexed than that which any system does index.
09:57 joann hi bob
09:57 BobB hi joann
09:56 bag hey BobB
09:56 BobB hi bag, cait
09:56 cait hmmm wonder where he is
09:56 huginn cait: oleonard was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 1 minute, and 25 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on.
09:56 cait @seen oleonard
09:55 kivilahtio hi tehre
09:55 joann Greetings everyone
09:55 bag heya cait
09:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11194 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add a new index for edition of a document
09:55 kivilahtio thd: Thanks! I bookmarked that. You might want to take a peek at Bug 11194 in an hour or so
09:55 bag good morning joann
09:55 cait morning bag
09:55 bag yeah they are stinkers
09:55 slef bag: time_zones--
09:55 bag morning Joubu
09:55 bag hey slef long time :)
09:54 thd kivilahtio: The most complete recent UNIMARC bibliographic format document in English without charge may be http://archive.ifla.org/VI/8/unimarc-concise-bibliographic-format-2008.pdf
09:54 Joubu bag++ #you are awake!
09:54 slef hi bag. Sorry you're up so early
09:53 bag good morning
09:52 ashimema we don't have anyone to represent us in the office :(
09:50 magnuse fundraising meeting in 10 minutes? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_IRC_meeting_18_March_2015
09:40 Joubu cait: yep
09:39 cait or we let kivi do the sign... and i qa ;)
09:39 cait Joubu: will you write the patches? i can sign
09:38 kivilahtio 205 Edition statement , phew...
09:38 kivilahtio http://www.ifla.org/files/assets/uca/unimarc_updates/BIBLIOGRAPHIC/u-b_2-_description_information_block_update.pdf
09:38 Joubu catalogue/search-history
09:38 cait Joubu: aah, we don't use that. missed it
09:38 kivilahtio Does anybody know where can I find english unimarc documentation? which would be somewhat in par to the LOC's Marc21 documentation?
09:37 kivilahtio In which field is edition in UNIMARC? In MARC21 it is field 250$a
09:37 Joubu admni/cities
09:36 cait ah cool was not sure how to - i went through the administration and tools pages, but i think we got more in circ
09:35 Joubu cait: I am checking
09:35 cait Joubu: thx for qa - hope that was the last one :)
09:28 drojf cait++
09:26 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B
09:26 gaetan_B hello
09:22 cait Continue translation (981 words left) ... hands over to drojf again
09:14 cait koha is used in so many different libraries, shoudl not shut out those with not so many resources
09:14 cait and how reliable it works
09:13 cait i think we also need to see how hard it's to set up ES
09:11 cait Joubu++
09:10 kivilahtio but they taste better
09:09 kivilahtio afaik
09:09 kivilahtio Bananas get sloppy easily
09:09 kivilahtio :)
09:09 fridolin ;)
09:09 fridolin kivilahtio: I'm more banana
09:08 kivilahtio hi carrot hater
09:08 fridolin hie all
09:06 kivilahtio maybe :)
09:06 Joubu maybe without any changes :)
09:05 kivilahtio Joubu: I think we can hook that to ES without much difficulties
09:03 drojf heh
09:03 magnuse crowdcrazy!
09:03 magnuse gah s/"/\//
09:03 drojf crowdraising
09:03 magnuse s/crowdfunding/fundraising"
09:02 Joubu we developed a z3950 server to query Solr
09:02 magnuse crowdfunding meeting in 1 hour!
09:02 magnuse if we can do sru with es, i'll be happy to ditch zebra. but there WILL be libraries that need to have a z39.50 server, just wait and see
09:01 drojf don't get lost in the zebra's maze
09:01 drojf its not moving backwards, it's retaining backwards compatibility :P
09:00 kivilahtio anyway, gotta add an index... ... ... ... ...
09:00 kivilahtio afaik the world would be much better off by moving forward rather than backward
08:59 kivilahtio I think ByWater is working on a crowdfunding mode for Koha developments
08:59 kivilahtio I think we could make a z39-50 module for ES, or we ould contract Elastic to make one for us
08:58 drojf there was some z39.50 replacement talked about when using solr. don't remember what it was
08:58 kivilahtio so we need but SRU
08:58 kivilahtio In Finland we are deprecating z39.50
08:58 drojf nice. didn't know
08:58 kivilahtio but not z39.50
08:57 drojf oh
08:57 kivilahtio ES has SRU
08:57 kivilahtio and I am not saying not to have Zebra, around, just not accept any new modifications for it
08:57 drojf we need a way to do z39/50 and sru and what else zebra does then
08:57 kivilahtio I mean switching to ES makes no changes for the user
08:56 kivilahtio but i know the attitude
08:56 kivilahtio drojf: :) I have learned and I want to get rid of it asap
08:56 drojf i have not learned how to configure zebra for nothing. we have to keep it forever :D
08:56 kivilahtio Well... If Biblibre, Bywater and me will want to use ElasticSearch, I am pretty sure we can do it
08:55 Joubu the community wants to keep zebra
08:55 Joubu kivilahtio: that's why the Solr work was stuck in a POC, we were waiting for someone to work on the zebra code
08:55 kivilahtio drojf: I am hoping we could get rid of atleast 2000 lines of code
08:54 kivilahtio drojf: yes, ElasticSearch takes care of a lot of scaffolding we have had to do to make indexing work.
08:54 drojf but yes, it looks really nice in elasticsearch, if it's just the sql i've seen
08:54 kivilahtio I wont't :) I wil llabel all my patches, "Wil lwork on ElasticSearch" only
08:54 drojf i'm pretty sure
08:54 drojf oh we will for a while
08:53 kivilahtio I wouldn't be surprised if such someone would appear
08:53 kivilahtio I just hope somebody doesn't start demanding that we must maintain both Zebra and ElasticSearch :)
08:53 kivilahtio drojf: I have already added several indexes to Zebra. I just copy from my git patches :) Luckily we get ElasticSearch this year. Best of all it solves this "configure new index in gazillion different places"-issue.
08:51 Joubu cait: and I want to add it to the tables in the acq module, but I wait for the tax rewrite patches to be pushed
08:49 Joubu should be pushed soon :)
08:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13492 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Add location to the checkouts tables
08:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13372 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Items lost report improvements
08:49 Joubu cait: bug 13372 and bug 13492
08:48 drojf ^^
08:48 drojf have fun with the zebra
08:47 kivilahtio and I think it would be nice to search for edition?
08:47 kivilahtio gotta fix that :) Our new Koha migrators want to match their incoming records using that.
08:46 kivilahtio wow wow, the Marc::Record->edition() subfield 250$a is not indexed other than in keyword index.
08:46 Joubu but not pushed yet
08:46 Joubu there are 2 new tables, yes
08:46 drojf check marks=häkchen
08:45 cait Joubu: wasn't there another patch for a colvis table i promised to test?
08:45 drojf they are just kästchen for häkchen machen :D
08:45 magnuse bonjour Joubu
08:45 cait hi Joubu :)
08:45 Joubu Hi #koha
08:45 drojf and all the way down the admin page ;)
08:45 cait 3.18 new :)
08:44 drojf i have never seen this :)
08:44 drojf ah
08:44 drojf spalten konfigurieren?
08:44 cait in administration, it has its own area
08:44 cait it saves your settings to the database, but you have a little control thing to change it on the page later if you decie you need to see one of the hidden columns
08:44 drojf and what is the syspref or where do i set it?
08:43 cait was hoping for some more patches in 3.18 :)
08:43 cait right now it's more a poc
08:43 magnuse in the livingroom
08:43 cait for example - if you don#t use basket groups, you could hide all the columns for them (if we had the feature implemented yet for acq)
08:43 drojf a table where?
08:43 cait you can configure how a table looks like
08:43 drojf or, where?
08:43 drojf what are they for?
08:42 drojf i was wondering about these table things. i can't really say without having a look at them
08:41 cait check marks
08:41 cait drojf: ?
08:39 cait If nothing is hidden you will see no check marks and will see all of the columns when viewing the table.
08:38 magnuse opac and pref done - woohoo!
08:31 drojf cookies would still help
08:31 cait meh ok
08:30 drojf so we just do it together. that's like, now :D
08:30 drojf and we could leave out the money part if we pay eacht other the same anyway
08:30 kivilahtio we need to improve the translation module
08:30 magnuse and you both get paid
08:29 magnuse um yeah. that, or you both do some
08:29 cait magnuse: and none of us actually does it? :)
08:29 drojf getting some sleep would have also helped. then again i translated in the night^^
08:28 cait drojf++ fr already starting with translation last night
08:28 magnuse what if drojf pays cait to do it and cait pays drojf to do it?
08:28 drojf i'd like it more if you paid me :D
08:27 magnuse yeah!
08:27 cait paying someone else to do it? :)
08:26 wahanui google translate is getting better
08:26 magnuse google translate?
08:26 magnuse one cookie per word?
08:26 kivilahtio cait: me too. We had a nice talk with drojf last saturday about how to make it supe rawesome
08:25 * magnuse too
08:25 * cait hates translating
08:25 magnuse bonjour kivilahtio and sophie_m
08:25 sophie_m hello #koha
08:22 kivilahtio hiyaya
08:16 cait kia ora magnuse
08:13 magnuse kia ora cait
08:13 cait good morning #koha
08:04 Francesca au reviour koha, catch you around some other time
08:03 * Francesca waves goodbye
08:03 * Francesca waves
07:52 alex_a bonjour
07:48 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
07:48 reiveune hello
07:13 josef_moravec I think so
06:58 magnuse fundraising meeting in 3 hours? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_IRC_meeting_18_March_2015
06:38 * magnuse waves
06:34 eythian later
06:34 eythian time for me to go also
06:34 eythian yeah, I think I've beaten SAML enough for today
06:34 dcook Ciao
06:33 dcook Tempted to go to the gym, but... want to nerd out a bit at home
06:33 dcook I think I'm off though
06:30 dcook Pretty much
06:30 eythian you'll never win that war, it can only be beaten through attrition
06:30 dcook Mind you, that war won't be over until it's gone forever
06:30 eythian heh
06:30 dcook eythian: I feel like that about IE 8
06:30 dcook paxed: Yeah, that's no fun
06:30 eythian dcook: I think I won the battle, not totally sure about the war though.
06:30 * dcook shudders
06:30 dcook I think I've figured out respond.js's little gotchas at least
06:30 paxed _especially_ when it takes ~6h to reindex zebra.
06:29 dcook eythian: that does sound like fun :(
06:29 dcook Yeah, authorities is a bit scary :/
06:29 paxed it'll be faster for me to write my own perl script (that doesn't use zebra) to mangle the auth links the way i want, than start looking at koha and zebra.
06:27 paxed and LinkerRelink = do
06:27 paxed and LinkerKeepStale = do not
06:26 paxed i can't figure out why link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can't get rid of the auth linking, when there are no auth records, and zebra auth has been reindexed.
06:25 drojf patches welcome :P
06:23 * paxed hates koha's authority support.
06:12 * Francesca realises she has left irc sitting open for a entire day
05:53 eythian fun times.
05:53 eythian gar, I've just spent a few hours digging through strace output and .c files to diagnose an issue with apache.
05:50 dcook The wildlife will take care of us..
05:50 dcook Agreed, drojf
05:50 dcook hehe
05:34 drojf you wouldn't expect a country full of huge spiders and other weird wildlife to need such kind of restrictions
05:16 * dcook still feels bad for every other immigrant ever
05:16 dcook Oh well. One month. Hopefully they'll approve me in one month.
05:16 dcook You also can only apply if "at least half of your children live permanently in Australia"
05:16 dcook Wow, it's another one of those ones of trying to keep out "immigrants"
05:15 dcook Just a bit, eh?
05:15 eythian that sounds a bit extreme
05:15 dcook "There can be long waiting times of up to 30 years before this visa is approved.​​​​"
05:15 dcook http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/103.aspx
05:15 dcook Whoa..
05:12 dcook :)
04:59 eythian sounds like a plan :)
04:57 dcook Then I'll come visit Wellington ;)
04:56 dcook I should be in the ENS though... so 2nd highest priority and low risk so... 5 months... fingers crossed on an April approval...
04:55 dcook So it's anyone's bet really
04:55 dcook Most of these visas have been reclassed
04:55 dcook https://www.immi.gov.au/about/charters/client-services-charter/visas/8.0.htm
04:55 dcook Alas, the website is out of date
04:53 dcook Partner visa applicants don't usually hear back for at least a year
04:53 dcook It's the shortest estimated time I've seen published
04:53 eythian I suppose
04:53 dcook All in all, it's fairly short
04:52 * dcook shrug
04:52 eythian that's a long time
04:52 eythian wow
04:52 dcook In a few weeks, I will have been waiting 5 months on my application
04:52 dcook It would just lead to... yep... nope
04:51 wahanui yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
04:51 eythian yeah, that
04:51 eythian especially in the current australian political environment
04:51 dcook Especially because the Australian government would say that the other countries would be used to bring people in illegally somehow
04:51 * dcook can't see this ever happening
04:51 dcook It seemed a bit too good to be true :p
04:51 * dcook grumbles
04:50 eythian yeah, it's one guy's proposal, not anything official
04:50 dcook Slow down, heart
04:50 dcook Bah
04:50 dcook Hmm may just be a headline with no substance though..
04:49 dcook So I haven't read this yet, but the headline is amazing: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/free-movement-proposed-between-canada-u-k-australia-new-zealand-1.2998105
04:47 dcook IE 8 is bad and should feel bad...
04:47 dcook Still... beats writing your own polyfill...
04:47 dcook Ahhh respond.js is amazingly brittle...
04:13 eythian heh
04:13 drojf i shouldn't be awake like this at 5 am
04:12 drojf enough late night translation. i'm sure cait would be disappointed if there were nothing left in the morning
04:09 dcook But doesn't throw any errors to say this..
04:08 dcook respond.js really doesn't like an empty media query
04:08 dcook Oh man...
04:04 drojf good text, thanks for the link
04:01 * dcook might pass :p
03:50 drojf promising title
03:46 eythian https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/i-can-text-you-a-pile-of-poo-but-i-cant-write-my-name <-- an interesting read
03:44 drojf heh
03:38 eythian next you'll want smartquotes, and it's all downhill from there
03:38 eythian who needs umlauts anyway
03:35 drojf with forced umlauts :D
03:35 drojf i wish my president would endorse some encoding standard that only works for my language
03:34 eythian that's better.
03:33 drojf the on-site checkout checkbox checker checks the on-site checkout checkbox
03:33 drojf oh see, i did it wrong
03:31 eythian > ASCII was first used in 1963, and later endorsed by President Lyndon B. Johnson.
03:31 drojf the on-site checkbox checker checks the on-site checkout checkbox.
03:29 dcook When you check a checkbox, it hides the column when viewing the table?
03:29 dcook Wait, I think I get it
03:28 * dcook has no idea what that means
03:17 eythian that does not scan easily
03:12 drojf "If columns are hidden they will be checked off and hidden when you view the table." that sounds funny too
03:10 drojf of course, they are all german ;)
03:09 eythian they all sound funny
03:07 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
03:07 drojf @later tell cait we are using 'heimatbibliothek', 'heimbibliothek' and 'besitzende bibliothek'. 'heimatbibliothek is the one we have most, so i am using that for now, but i think it sounds funny. is it common in german library speak?
02:54 dcook Doing the fixing dance...
02:54 dcook Fixing all the things...
02:52 dcook \o/
02:51 dcook Just part of the soup..
02:51 dcook Oh wait.. maybe not
02:48 dcook Hurray! Fixed the tag soup!
02:45 eythian https://medium.com/travel-adventure/what-its-like-to-fly-the-23-000-singapore-airlines-suites-class-17d9f3fee0d <-- when I'm rich and famous, during the time my personal jet is on order, this will be part of the cost for having me come to speak.
02:34 shalom Hi, can anyone teach me how to use OpacHiddenItems to hide some item type from the OPAC?
02:29 drojf klicken sie
02:29 dcook Mind you, maybe it would be faster to trial one than to deal with this
02:29 dcook :p
02:29 dcook Tagsouuuup!
02:29 dcook Just don't have time to trial it :/
02:28 dcook Yeah, it looks like a few
02:28 eythian there probably is one
02:22 dcook Tempted to look for an HTML plugin to do the same with html tags..
02:22 eythian oh yeah, % is quite handy
02:16 drojf insomnia and string freeze, it's a winning combination
02:12 dac I don't know how I lived this long without knowing this -> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Moving_to_matching_braces
01:18 dcook eythian: love the video
01:18 dcook hehe
01:17 * dcook sees Windows XP all the time out in public as well...
01:16 dcook I imagine Windows XP, IE7, and IE8 will be around for a long time
01:16 dcook This one is much more amusing
01:16 dcook Actually, I read a different one
01:14 dcook I doubt it'll change anything though
01:14 eythian https://youtu.be/euZ0j7vtKEQ <-- also dcook
01:14 dcook Yeah, I think I read that this morning
01:11 eythian http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/17/8230631/microsoft-is-killing-off-the-internet-explorer-brand <-- dcook
00:59 dcook IE11, how hard is it to add a ruler to your developer tools...
00:59 dcook IE8, you're so much fun...
00:50 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
00:50 cait night all
00:37 eythian Well, also it's very fragile
00:37 wizzyrea I like it.
00:37 wizzyrea chould is a cross between could and should.
00:37 cait eythian: you chould wirte a nice comment about the ugh and icky
00:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13859 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix item search result list - obsolete "by" and display of publication date for MARC21
00:36 cait also bug 13859 :)
00:36 wizzyrea ooh, an ugh *and* an icky.
00:36 eythian icky
00:36 eythian that's where it creates it
00:36 eythian + my $cmd = C4::Context->config("intranetdir") . "/installer/data/$info{dbms}/updatedatabase.pl > $logfilepath 2> $logfilepath_errors";
00:36 wizzyrea you know it's bad when you get an "ugh"
00:33 eythian ugh
00:33 eythian + eval{ `rm $logfilepath` };
00:33 eythian presumably during the installation
00:33 cait hm but where is it created?
00:32 eythian not writing
00:32 eythian cait: no, it seems to be opening it for reading
00:32 cait *shrugs*
00:31 cait it tries to create it with the timestamp in the name
00:31 cait eythian: but the file can#t exist
00:31 dcook -f ftw
00:31 eythian it should have a test for existance wrapped around the whole thing
00:30 eythian yeah, that patch assumes things exist with no proof that they do, it seems
00:30 eythian oh, that's all reading
00:30 eythian doing an open is a bad way of doing it imo
00:29 eythian though really, we should be using the proper syslog stuff
00:29 dcook Mmm peanut butter cups and rice-krispy treats. Those would be heaven.
00:29 eythian that's the purpose of a logdir
00:29 eythian hmm. the system should be able to write to your logdir
00:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13793 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The installer does not output the result of the update using Plack
00:28 cait Bug 13793
00:28 cait sec
00:28 cait no
00:28 eythian cait: is that the right bug?
00:27 cait the files in the directory and the permissions
00:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Web installer fails under plack
00:27 cait bug 12023 - i copied everything there
00:27 cait bug12023
00:27 eythian it's not on a windows filesystem or something is it?
00:26 eythian because it would give permission denied
00:26 eythian I don't buy that
00:26 cait which it only wants to do since a recent chane
00:26 cait the problem is that the web installer is not allowed to create a new file in there
00:25 cait my other log files live there happily :)
00:25 eythian I copied the wrong thing
00:25 cait it does exist
00:25 eythian that
00:25 eythian yes
00:25 eythian oh
00:25 wizzyrea /home/katrin/koha-devU/var/log/ this is the one that doesn't exist, I reckon
00:24 eythian does " /home/katrin/kohacloneU/installer/" exist?
00:24 cait properly
00:24 cait i think we need to fix this
00:24 wizzyrea or sth
00:24 wizzyrea like /var/log/koha/sitename/
00:24 cait my current fix is to git revert 83fee24dbcb03769649ed8afdab2d7a9d1e2a8a2
00:24 wizzyrea by your koha user
00:24 wizzyrea that is writable
00:24 wizzyrea to one
00:24 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
00:24 wizzyrea or change the logdir in your koha_conf
00:23 wizzyrea so make the parent directory writable?
00:23 cait i guess i owuld have to change permissions on the directory?
00:23 cait and will be named different every time
00:23 cait wizzyrea: it doesn't exist
00:23 wizzyrea cait: can you make that log file writable by your koha user?
00:23 cait wizzyrea: interesting, itemsearch works in my unimarc installation - must be sth in the data
00:19 cait Cannot open log file /home/katrin/koha-devU/var/log/updatedatabase_2015-03-18T01:19:22.log: No such file or directory at /home/katrin/kohacloneU/installer/install.pl line 332.
00:19 cait i would be quite thankful if someone could fix the web installer again :(
00:18 eythian https://twitter.com/OvidPerl/status/577959732801069056 <-- we should port Koha to perl6
00:18 eythian weirdo German book cover
00:16 cait hm?
00:15 eythian http://www.yopi.de/product_images/360/360164/lightbox/bujold-lois-mcmaster-der-kadett-taschenbuch.png <-- cait, specifically
00:08 eythian http://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2015/mar/15/kindle-cover-disasters-worlds-worst-ebook-artwork
00:01 bag :)
00:01 cait yep but still annoying :)
00:00 cait thx bag
00:00 bag yup easy and straight forward