Time  Nick         Message
00:00 BobB         cait, you must come!  There, its settled!
00:02 dcook        :D
00:02 eythian      BobB: maybe it should rotate through the pacific islands too
00:02 eythian      you know, so they get a fair chance...
00:02 eythian      not just so we get to spend a week in the islands.
00:02 eythian      really.
00:02 dcook        hehe
00:03 BobB         eythian +1
00:05 BobB         looks like cait is on her way already
00:12 wizzyrea     I could probably convince the family that a trip to a hackfest in oz would be a good thing to do.
00:13 dcook        y/y? :D
01:04 papa         I am traditionally denied island trips :(
01:05 eythian      papa: why?
01:06 papa         exactly. when was the last time catalyst sent me to an island/
01:08 eythian      you were over here some months ago, weren't you?
01:31 papa         heh, I did not think about it that way
01:34 dcook        I could handle a trip to NZ one of these days...
01:34 dcook        A hackfest on the Greek Islands would be rather awesome
01:35 eythian      a local company regularly does it to places like the islands.
01:36 eythian      then they jump on irc and say things like "hi, we're in Fiji. btw we're hiring" :)
01:40 dcook        ?
01:42 eythian      I don't know what you're questioning there
01:43 dcook        I didn't really understand either sentence :)
01:45 eythian      has development retreats in places like...
01:45 dcook        Ahhh
01:45 dcook        That helps :)
01:50 mtj          hi folks
01:50 mtj          rangi, got a tic..?
01:51 mtj          ..i had a Q for you about my BZ workflow
01:53 dcook        Hmm, it looks like this bank has been naughty...
01:53 dcook        Making up charges that don't actually exist. Tsk tsk...
01:54 dcook        Ahh
01:54 dcook        Apparently they can charge you money if you don't use your credit card often enough.
01:54 dcook        I suppose they want to make money one way or another
01:56 mtj          wow, thats horrible :/
01:56 dcook        Fortunately, it's only a few dollars. I'd hate to think if it had been a greater sum.
01:56 dcook        Still. It's basically them stealing money :).
01:57 mtj          curious, whats the bank?
01:58 dcook        I'll message you ;)
01:58 mtj          ta :)
02:05 dcook        Oh, banks
02:37 eythian      http://youtu.be/7eDkFlVSwnk <-- just what I'm listening to right now.
02:39 dcook        Hehe
02:39 dcook        I clicked it but didn't look
02:39 dcook        Turned out to be an ad
02:41 eythian      that's not what I'm listening to :)
02:41 dcook        hehe
02:42 eythian      you know that adblock plus blocks youtube ads, right?
02:42 eythian      as does µBlock, which is what I'm actually using nowadays
02:43 dcook        I keep meaning to use adblock..
02:43 dcook        What's uBlock?
02:43 eythian      it's like adblock, but a bit lighter on resources.
02:43 eythian      otherwise pretty much the same
02:43 dcook        Hmm, might have to take another look
02:43 dcook        This is catchy, btw
02:44 eythian      it is, yes
02:44 eythian      the whole album is good, but I think that's the best from it.
02:45 dcook        It reminds me a bit of another group..
02:46 dcook        Might just be because they're Swedish though, hehe
02:46 eythian      possibly :)
02:46 eythian      It's fairly different from Abba though
02:47 dcook        Mmm maybe a bit
02:47 dcook        Reminds me a bit of Apoptygma Berzerk, although I guess they're Norwegian
02:48 eythian      yeah, same ballpark as Apop
03:10 eythian      apparently every authority has 14,401 biblios. That may not be quite right.
04:08 Francesca    hey
04:08 eythian      hi
04:43 eythian      http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl?op=do_search&type=opac&operator=contains&value=robert&marclist=any&and_or=and&orderby=HeadingAsc <-- yay, biblio counting works.
04:44 eythian      though not in the most efficent way, need to sort something out in Catmandu I think.
05:03 eythian      oh hey, so in the authority searching, the first page is page 0, followed by 1, etc. In biblio searching, the first page is page 1, followed by 2, etc.
05:03 eythian      tricksy
05:13 eythian      yay, basic authority functions are now working.
05:29 dcook        \o/
05:29 dcook        eythian++
05:32 dcook        Just as I'm getting through my backlog... 5pm creeps up and more people email..
05:33 eythian      heh
05:42 dcook        Oh Java... you are so my favourite way to spend the last 20 minutes of the word day
05:42 dcook        O_O
05:47 eythian      it is the funnest.
05:47 * eythian    makes like a tree and gets outta here
05:47 * eythian    &
05:57 dcook        til tomorrow
06:41 drojf        morning #koha
06:41 magnuse      moin drojf and #koha!
06:42 drojf        hei magnuse
06:59 kivilahtio   morning
07:02 magnuse      hyvää päivää kivilahtio
07:03 kivilahtio   god morgon?
07:03 magnuse      according to google translate, yes :-)
07:04 magnuse      in norwegian it would be "morgen"
07:04 kivilahtio   magnuse: according to the top of my head
07:04 kivilahtio   magnuse: but that might have been swedish
07:04 kivilahtio   I'll ry to remember next time
07:08 magnuse      :-)
07:20 mveron       Hi #Koha
07:20 mveron       @wunder Allschwil
07:20 huginn       mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 0.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
07:31 magnuse      hiya mveron
07:31 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:31 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 10, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
07:32 mveron       hi magnuse :-)
07:38 reiveune     hello
07:44 mveron       hi reiveune :-)
07:44 alex_a       bonjour
07:45 reiveune     salut mveron
07:46 mveron       Bonjour alex_a
07:48 drojf        hi mveron
07:48 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
07:48 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
07:48 mveron       hi drojf :-)
08:42 gaetan_B     hello
08:59 kivilahtio   ello
09:16 fridolin     ello
09:16 fridolin     kivilahtio: hie, how was your trip back home ?
09:21 kivilahtio   fridolin: I got my luggage. I had a lot of insteresting discussion with peop0le
09:21 kivilahtio   was a lot of fun
09:21 kivilahtio   now I have a TON OF STUFF to do. I heard if it the out-of-office -effect
09:23 fridolin     kivilahtio: same for me ;)
09:23 fridolin     i had greate time and a lot of exchanges
09:23 fridolin     i gone try to do more for the community
09:32 * cait       waves
09:32 kivilahtio   watch out for waves!
09:33 cait         :P
09:37 atheia       Morning #koha
09:39 ashimema     morning atheia, cait
09:43 * mveron     waves  ...and is in a bow wave of tasks...
09:43 kivilahtio   bow wave?
09:43 * magnuse    waves too
09:43 kivilahtio   noooo I can't take it anymore!
09:44 kivilahtio   I am drowning... bulb bulb...
09:44 magnuse      meeting in 24 hours and 16 minutes, right?
09:44 kivilahtio   who?
09:44 mveron       kivilahtio: "Bugwelle" in German.
09:44 kivilahtio   magnuse: what meeting?
09:45 drojf        hehe a wave of bugs
09:46 mveron       kivilahtio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_wave
09:46 mveron       :-)
09:46 magnuse      kivilahtio: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_11_March_2015
09:47 kivilahtio   thanks mveron, very interesting!
09:47 kivilahtio   mveron: If I ever build a ship I know what kind of a bow wave i want
09:48 kivilahtio   magnuse: thanks, I'll be there
09:48 drojf        magnuse: did you just volunteer to send a reminder to the mailing lists? :)
09:51 magnuse      drojf: maybe i did...
09:51 drojf        magnuse++
09:52 akafred      jajm: re bug 13799 - couldn't find a working sandbox url ... is it still supposed to be there?
09:52 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API
09:56 magnuse      akafred: did you use http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes ?
09:56 * magnuse    has "set up sandboxes with normarc" somewhere down on his todo list
09:57 * magnuse    hands ashimema the velcro
09:57 jajm         akafred, sandboxes are reset each night at 00:00 UTC, so you need to reapply the patch
09:58 ashimema     lol..
09:58 ashimema     thanks magnuse..
09:58 ashimema     but of a woddly system this morning it seems
10:05 cait         hmpf
10:05 cait         just lost an hour because my windows has the wrong time???
10:05 magnuse      cait: ?
10:06 magnuse      just turn the clock back?
10:07 cait         then i am going to miss the train :)
10:32 akafred      I missed the ILL discussion in Marseille. How can I catch up?
10:33 magnuse      i think atheia took some notes?
10:35 magnuse      i think the conculsion was that it would be ideal if koha could cover a superset of all the workflows that koha libraries need, and then be able to turn off the things that are not relevant to a given library/country/ill system
10:38 drojf        mveron: do you know about the technical aspects of ILL in switzerland?
10:40 atheia       Re: ILL: Indeed, that's a pretty concise summary.
10:40 atheia       I'll put up an RFC with a link to my notes by the end of the week and send it to the list.
10:57 cait1        atheia++ :)
10:58 magnus_lunch atheia++
10:58 akafred      Cool feature with the sandboxes, except i got a "sandbox is not ready !"
10:59 akafred      ... which doesn't tell me mucho.
11:00 akafred      rangi: Is this the current NCIP-server-repo? http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=NCIPServer.git;a=summary
11:03 magnuse      akafred: rangi is probably asleep, but i believe so, yes
11:08 Joubu        akafred: you should choose a DB
11:10 Joubu        akafred: don't know what was the issue, but I can confirm you the patch has correctly been applied on sandbox 16
11:18 akafred      ok. I'll try again, thanks Joubu
11:20 Joubu        akafred: thanks for your note on bug 13691!
11:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add some selenium scripts
11:21 Joubu        akafred: but, I have a question, when you say "we would require the tests to pass along with production code changes", that's mean we cannot test all uc
11:21 Joubu        for instance we cannot test checkin/out and data creation/modification
11:21 Joubu        and a lot of other actions
11:23 akafred      so the dbdependent-tests don't do that?
11:23 cait1        bye all
11:23 cait1        time for another trip on a train...
11:23 magnuse      have fun cait1
11:24 Joubu        akafred: yes they do, in a transaction
11:24 Joubu        but with selenium, it won't possible to rollback
11:24 Joubu        last sentence does not mean anything...
11:25 akafred      I get what you are saying.
11:25 Joubu        I meant, with our current db dependent tests, we can test all what we want
11:25 Joubu        except the ui
11:25 akafred      There are ways to do this, one is to create test data in the test (and perhaps remove them again).
11:26 akafred      We're currently doing this in Oslo, but it is slw.
11:26 akafred      slow
11:26 Joubu        yes, that's what I did in my selenium script (at least I think)
11:26 Joubu        but if something is wrong, the data could be not deleted. We don't want that in production :)
11:27 akafred      Another way is to have sufficient test data to be able to find data you can use for a scenario as part of the test.
11:27 Joubu        akafred: yes, but no checkin/out for instance
11:27 akafred      Ah. So you run your db_dependent tests in production?
11:27 Joubu        no! :)
11:28 Joubu        db_deps test only pass with a specific DB
11:28 akafred      Exactly.
11:29 Joubu        Anyway, I am starving!
11:30 akafred      We have a strategy where we create and clean up test data for each scenario. Like this: https://github.com/digibib/ls.ext/blob/master/test/features/step_definitions/authorised_values_steps.rb
11:30 akafred      The first step here creates an authorized value - and registers a cleanup closure that will be run on test teardown.
11:31 akafred      It is cumbersome, but for a limited set of scenarios - doable.
11:32 akafred      Yeah, I am starving, too. But no 'confit de canard' like I enjoyed when I snuck of for lunch in Marseille :-)
11:47 magnuse      hiya meliss
11:47 meliss       hi magnuse.  How are you today?
11:49 magnuse      meliss: not too shabby - getting things done, for once
11:50 magnuse      and yerself?
11:50 meliss       hanging in there.
11:51 magnuse      yay
12:02 akafred      jajm: Seems mojo defaults to returning http-status 204 if the Accept-header asks for a representation which isn't available. It should return 406.
12:05 akafred      Joubu: And here is how we clean up: https://github.com/digibib/ls.ext/blob/master/test/features/support/hooks.rb#L58
12:13 kivilahtio   Joubu: do you want our DB?
12:13 kivilahtio   it is for 3.16.4 so you might not be able to easily get the acquisitons data out
12:13 kivilahtio   +our patches
12:18 nlegrand     Hey #koha!
12:21 Joubu        kivilahtio: yep, I can update it
12:22 Joubu        akafred: my ruby skills are not good enough to understand everything
12:22 Joubu        akafred: what does the cleanup call?
12:23 Joubu        ok got it
12:24 jajm         akafred, you're right, mojo defaults to 204 No Content, it can be changed easily I think
12:26 akafred      joubu: yep, this line ( https://github.com/digibib/ls.ext/blob/master/test/features/step_definitions/authorised_values_steps.rb#L12 ) pushes a {"text" => closure } onto a list, while this line: https://github.com/digibib/ls.ext/blob/master/test/features/support/hooks.rb#L58 runs the cleanup closures in reverse order.
12:27 akafred      But, this is the only time I have taken this approach. It is sort of a manual rollback ...
12:28 akafred      Another approach could be to load a known dataset (say a library with stuff) using sql before each test run, and then cleaning up the library afterwards.
12:30 akafred      ... to measure performance, we need a certain amount of stuff ...
12:32 akafred      Yet another approach is to create new test data with randomized identifiers, then you won't need to clean them up.
12:58 * barton     waves to #koha
12:59 barton       morning all.
13:04 barton       I have a partner who is very interested in the status of bug 12553. I left a @later for chris_n (to whom the ticket is assigned), but he seems to be out for an extended period of time. could someone else take a quick peek at it?
13:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12553 normal, P3, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , copynumber, location not printing correctly on spine labels.
14:02 mveron       Hi again :-)
14:06 drojf        why would koha say "HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench (0.73) Not Installed" when i just installed it?
14:06 drojf        apt-cache policy libhttpd-bench-apachebench-perl says
14:06 drojf        libhttpd-bench-apachebench-perl: Installiert:           0.73-1
14:11 Joubu        What returns `pmvers HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench`?
14:28 fridolin     drojf: this dependancy is not mandatory, strange
14:28 fridolin     you look at "About" page maybe
14:36 barton       is there a way to set up kohadevbox so that it will start with a bridged network adapter?
14:37 barton       ... I can always futz around with the vm in virtualbox, but it would be nice to be able to set it up to start that way.
14:38 magnuse      barton: dunno, but have a look at https://docs.vagrantup.com/v2/vagrantfile/index.html
14:38 magnuse      patches are welcome, if you find a solution (it would probably have to be optional?) :-)
14:38 * magnuse    wanders off to make dinner
14:41 akafred      barton: https://docs.vagrantup.com/v2/networking/public_network.html   -- I think this would work: config.vm.network "public_network" --- remember to vagrant reload after changing the Vagrant file.
14:51 drojf        Joubu fridolin it looks like i made something funny with dh-make-perl, it installed to my home directory ;)
15:05 drojf        building as root worked
15:06 drojf        it's fantastic to have a problem and find yourself in the koha logs 3 years ago having the same
15:06 drojf        greetings to future me from the present, which will be your past :)
15:22 fridolin     drojf: ok
15:42 barton       drojf: http://xkcd.com/979/
15:44 drojf        heh
15:44 drojf        :D
15:44 barton       the alt text is especially apropos
15:49 barton       magnuse, akafred: adding 'config.vm.network "public_network"' to the appropriate section of Vagrantfile worked like a charm.
15:50 barton       @akafred++
15:50 huginn       barton: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:50 barton       akafred++
15:54 Joubu        bgkriegel: ./translate install es-ES
15:54 Joubu        sh: 1: Syntax error: end of file unexpected
15:54 Joubu        is it "normal"?
15:57 pastebot     "bgkriegel" at 200.16.17.253 pasted "Joubu: works for me!" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/4
16:03 Joubu        bgkriegel: hum, looks good now, I don't know what I did!
16:06 bgkriegel    :)
17:26 gaetan_B     bye
18:09 * mveron     says good night to #koha, going to the theatre...
18:54 tcohen       hi there
18:55 drojf        hi tcohen
19:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #60 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:27 barton       chris_n++
19:28 barton       ^^ thanks for working with me on label printing bugs.
19:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #18 for job Koha_Docs_3.16.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.16.x build #18: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.16.x/18/
19:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update 2 typos
19:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #651 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FIXED)
19:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #651: SUCCESS in 2 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/651/
19:58 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update 2 typos
20:41 * cait       waves
20:42 rangi        morning
20:43 cait         morning rangi
21:49 eythian      hi
23:36 dcook        If only all open source projects were 24/7...
23:39 drojf        dcook: if you were 24/7, you'd be right in time for anyone ;)
23:41 dcook        hehe
23:41 dcook        True true
23:46 drojf        almost 1am. i should leave before i'm 24/7. goodnight, have a nice day