Time Nick Message 23:45 drojf [off] i should draw a map of the ways i take when i try to do something. i remember i was going to test a patch. then one thing after the other happened, i did the dom stuff for hours and now i found the open browser tab. lol 23:40 drojf that is one splitty net today 23:33 cait hmpf 23:33 dani decreaseLoanHighHolds is not enabled 23:29 cait well, everything is relative :) 23:28 akafred Well ... not the most luxurious place I've stayed in ... :-) 23:23 cait i likedit last year, hope not all good rooms are taken once i get there :) 23:22 cait akafred: youare aso at adonis? 23:22 dani let me check 23:22 dani hm 23:22 cait just wondering loud what settings could influence the due date 23:22 dani one is 2/16 (holiday), one is 2/17 23:22 cait are they using the feature to shorten the due dates ith many holds? 23:22 cait hm 23:22 akafred Yup! If I'm not lost in the Calanques :-) 23:21 dani neither renewed 23:21 dani yeah, I have two books checked out six minutes apart, same itype different due dates 23:21 cait see you sunday night then 23:20 cait hi akafred :) 23:20 * akafred est arrivé a Marseille. 23:20 cait but for multiple cases probably not so likely here hm. 23:20 cait another possible scenario woudl be a renewal with a manual renewal date... or a specific due date... 23:19 dani single 23:19 dani unique holiday 23:11 cait a repeatable one or a single on 23:11 cait maybe looking at what kind of holiday is would be helpful for testing 23:10 dani thanks cait, I will see if I can get more information and test on another 3.16 site 23:10 cait hope you can figure it out 23:10 dani Ok. I will keep poking around the explanation of the two sys prefs was helpful, several of us were stumped on that 23:09 cait :) 23:09 cait well... or someonesmarter than me could 23:08 cait but if it turned out you found a bug, we could write a new test for the problem - and prevent it from happening again 23:07 cait but there is always a chance that something was missed 23:07 cait i was just wondering... that should not be possible 23:07 cait it should be ok 23:06 dani agh, can I do that? 23:05 cait the idea is to prevent regressions 23:05 cait they are run automatically everytime we change something int he code 23:05 cait ah, it's automated tests that should check this works ok for several cases 23:04 dani I don't know what a unit test is {{{blush}}} 23:03 cait with pushing to the next opening day 23:03 cait it hsould work so that the due date can't be on a holiday 23:02 dani I haven't tried, trying to make sure I understood sys prefs 23:02 cait we got a couple of unit tests on those functions i think 23:02 cait can you reproduce it on 3.16? 23:02 cait it might be a possibility 23:02 dani I bet they put the date on the calendar later than they thought? 23:02 cait weird 23:02 cait hm yeah good idea 23:02 dani I could not replicated on 3.18 23:01 dani I even checked to see if patron accounts expired on that day ... nope 23:01 cait not aware of a bug in the current versions... but would require some testing 23:01 dani they issues book on 1/26 and report putting the holiday on the calendar before the new year 23:01 dani 3.16.04 23:01 dani I looked to see that the items were not issued before they put it on the calendar 23:01 cait ifyou entered the holiday too late... the dates would already be calculated wrong 22:59 cait which version are they using? 22:59 cait i mean the holiday? 22:59 cait did they enter the date on time? 22:59 dani you are thinking of the right one 22:59 cait hm 22:59 dani yes, saw that. the library I am working was using push to the next open date, but many items ended up with a due date on that holiday 22:58 cait hm is that the one with the 3 options? the pref? or is that anothe rone i am thinking about? 22:58 cait i think here is one to ignore the calendar 22:58 cait hm? 22:58 dani would either of those prefs to not respect a holiday? 22:57 cait cool :) 22:57 cait we mostly use the next opening day - it seems the most fair 22:57 dani Thanks so much 22:57 dani yes 22:57 dani that makes sense now 22:57 dani OK. 22:57 cait i think 22:57 cait if you want it to be the second mondy... and saturday and sunday are closed... the loan period you would use is 10 22:57 cait it won't be amonday in the second case.. 22:57 drojf nevermind :) 22:57 drojf ah. now 22:56 drojf the last part was confusing to me ;) 22:56 cait did this make sense? 22:55 cait the second option only counts days the library is open, so 2 weeks is 14 opening days... and weekends not counted 22:55 cait and ah, wednesday is open, so that will be the due date 22:55 cait tuesday is closed too... so wednesday 22:54 cait then the script looks at tuesday 22:54 cait but the due date would fall on a monday that is a holiday 22:54 cait so say... the loan period is 2 weeks 22:54 cait the first uses the next open day, if the due date would fall onto a day the library is closed 22:54 cait ok 22:54 cait going there by train on sunday 22:54 cait not yet 22:54 dani are you in France cait? 22:53 dani Here it is: in the sys pref useDaysMode what is the different between "calculate the due date using (the calendar to push the due date to the next open day) and (the calendar to skip all days the library is closed.) 22:53 dani hi, cait and everyone can anyone answer a question I have about a calendar sys pref? 22:53 cait hi dani 22:53 dani hello 22:53 cait heh 22:52 drojf i am too tired now to test if i did not forget anything. so i hope i have not ;) 22:52 cait drojf++ 22:52 drojf i have completely rewritten the 'switching to dom indexing' wiki page 21:57 talljoy darn. i didn't 21:55 wahanui well, linker is entirely Zebra-based. 21:55 talljoy stumped you! 21:55 talljoy linker? 21:54 wahanui authorities is http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html 21:54 talljoy authorities? 21:54 talljoy nice wahanui 21:52 wahanui jcamins is brilliant 21:50 talljoy jcamins? 21:40 * magnuse wishes #koha a good weekend - see some of you on monday! 21:20 magnuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_d%27Habitation#Cit.C3.A9_radieuse.2C_Marseille 21:19 Viktor Looks quite interesting. 21:18 Viktor The kind of thing I can't tell interested in culture that I missed for sitting in a crowded office with my computer :) 21:17 magnuse http://www.marseille-citeradieuse.org/ was pretty awesome 21:16 Viktor magnuse: No not really. Even if I can appreciate the thought that goes into good architecture. 21:15 magnuse oh Viktor: are you into architecture? 21:13 cait cool :) 21:13 huginn drojf: kivilahtio2 was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <kivilahtio2> it always gets me 21:13 drojf @seen kivilahtio2 21:12 huginn magnuse: tcohen was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <tcohen> heh 21:12 magnuse @seen tcohen 21:11 magnuse he is going to a football match this evening, with a friend of paul_p, if i am not mistaken 21:11 drojf kivilahtio forced him to go out and party i think :D 21:11 magnuse yup 21:11 cait magnuse: aah, did he give a life sign? 21:10 magnuse tcohen isn't going, he is there already :-) 21:10 magnuse yup 21:10 drojf i'm the only one not going to marseille, right? :'( 21:10 magnuse friday evening - perfect time for fixing the important things ;-) 21:09 Viktor I'll stop after this one. But I'm looking forward to the Häckfest! 21:09 drojf heh 21:08 Viktor Müch better 21:07 magnuse tjänare! 21:07 magnuse yay! 21:07 drojf nice! 21:07 Viktor How about ÅÄÖ œ ç 21:03 magnuse that is what i used, drojf 21:03 drojf i hope their docs are not as outdated as ours 21:03 magnuse restart xchat, that is, not the whole machine 21:03 drojf Viktor: http://xchat.org/encoding/ 21:02 magnuse i did this in XChat on ubuntu: XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart 21:02 Viktor I'll have a new look around. 21:02 Viktor Is there anything to do on the client side? XChat Azure. Did a quick look in the settings but no obvious UTF-8. 21:02 magnuse ooh, nso is "only" 152! how low can we get it during next week? 21:01 magnuse Viktor: maybe try fiddling with your settings a bit? 20:59 magnuse question marks, that is 20:59 Viktor Hm. Looks fine from here, but it's nice to be understood too... 20:59 magnuse for me too 20:59 drojf thats a lot of ? 20:58 Viktor ??? looks like this. Throwing in some ? ? ??? 20:58 magnuse Viktor: how are your umlauts doing? they are usually borken in pm 20:57 drojf very nice :D 20:57 magnuse møøp mööp 20:57 Viktor magnuse: Might very well be the case :) 20:57 magnuse i plan on skiving off after lunch one day, to walk in the panier and maybe eat at Mucem... 20:56 drojf yay you fixed the umlauts :) 20:56 * drojf throws some lactose free chocolate into #koha :D 20:55 magnuse next year ;-) 20:55 magnuse yup :-) 20:55 Viktor To bad I'm not staying the full week. 20:54 magnuse they have a good restaurant too 20:54 magnuse the museum called Mucem is really nice 20:54 Viktor Reading up on some tourists site made me sort of reevalutate the whole "I'll just have a nice walk" a bit. 20:53 Viktor Also oops. 20:53 magnuse yeah, someone was shot and killed the last time we were there, apparently 20:53 magnuse oops 20:52 Viktor There was some kind of incident with people firing automatic weapons at the police. In the suburbs 20:52 magnuse oh? 20:51 Viktor Yes there was some international news the other day. 20:51 magnuse marseille *is* a violent city, but i think most of that happens in the suburbs 20:51 cait yeah same here 20:51 cait heh 20:51 Viktor magnuse: phew :) 20:51 magnuse (but i have never hung around in bars half the night either) 20:50 magnuse i have never seen anything scary in the city center 20:50 Viktor Is it safe to walk about? 20:49 Viktor Views is always good. 20:49 magnuse i like Le Panier, the old town 20:49 Viktor Sunds sweet 20:49 magnuse hehe 20:49 Viktor :) 20:49 magnuse nah, not too bad 20:49 cait don't eat too much cheese before you go up there 20:49 cait very steep 20:49 magnuse Viktor: notre dame de la garde - steep but not too long climb from the biblibre office, with a magnificent view 20:48 * barton wants a console based IRC client that groks readline and UTF8... other than that, he is satisfied with irssi 20:46 barton [actually, I pretty well alreayd knew that] 20:45 barton TIL irssi sucks when it comes to diacritics. 20:40 cait :) 20:33 Viktor Any tourist advice for Marseille btw? 20:28 magnuse so in XChat do XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart 20:28 squash netsplits are fun 20:25 magnuse yay 20:25 jcamins Much better! 20:25 magnuse møøp mööp 20:24 magnuse might have to restart 20:23 jcamins Nope. 20:23 magnuse better now? 20:23 magnuse møøp mööp 20:21 magnuse norwegian milk chocolate 20:21 * magnuse has chocolate 20:20 jcamins drojf: are you going to give us some of the chocolate? 20:19 drojf alright, i have to go to buy some chocolate and you fix magnuse's umlauts while i'm gone :) 20:19 * magnuse uses XChat 20:18 * magnuse suspects jcamins of being right too 20:18 drojf i think jcamins is right 20:17 magnuse møøp 20:17 drojf no i have seen it before 20:17 cait or that 20:17 cait oh 20:17 cait magnuse are broken intentionally i think 20:17 jcamins magnuse: I think there's a problem with UTF-8 in your IRC client. 20:17 drojf cait's are ok for me 20:17 magnuse mööp 20:17 cait mööp? 20:17 drojf cait: can you say mööp please? 20:17 drojf i wonder why your umlauts are broken for me 20:16 magnuse sure is :) 20:16 drojf it's møøp in norwegian :D 20:14 magnuse møøp 20:14 drojf mööp 20:14 cait wheee 20:13 magnuse wheee! 20:10 drojf 3.14 20:09 drojf which was the first release with dom indexing for biblios out of the box? 20:08 Viktor Hi magnuse! 20:08 magnuse hiya Viktor 19:54 barton so, based on C4/SIP/Sip/Constants.pm and MsgType.pm, I can tell that Koha is definitely *capable* of parsing sip message type 29 (RENEW) and 65 (RENEW_ALL), but I don't know yet how it will/should respond to a check out request for an item that is already checked out to the user. Any pointers? Even a section of code to look at would be helpful. 19:33 barton before I go spelunking into ./C4/SIP/ILS, can anyone tell me about how Koha handles renewals through SIP: will it accept a renewal using the "11" check out message, or will it only accept a "29" renewal message? 18:49 * drojf feeds the wiki to zebra and kicks zebra off a cliff 18:37 drojf it's really bad we tell people to switch to dom and there is no information on how to do that that a regular person could use in any way 18:06 drojf oh. well. you got a point there, because i'd not need outdated wiki entries on zebra then in the first place :D 18:05 kivilahtio2 it always gets me 18:05 kivilahtio2 drojf: I am starting to doubt the necessity of elasticsearch, until i start to work with Zebra again 18:04 drojf also i'd prefer ebsco to sponsor somebody to update all that outdated wiki entries over having elasticsearch 1000 times. 18:02 drojf if i had tried reindexing before changing to dom, i'd know if i broke something now or earlier. sigh 17:54 oleonard That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on. 17:52 squash the second images is when I search the catalog through the staff client for the book, the barcode column is blank. and shows (NULL) in the database. 17:52 squash the first images is the items listed when I go to edit the record and add items, and it shows the barcode. 17:51 squash oleonard: http://imgur.com/1MpKC3u,wzl5ob2 17:46 squash one sec. trying to get screenshots. 17:44 oleonard What do you mean by "view the record in the cataloging menu?" 17:41 squash and can be searched by barcode or checked out, unlike before, I was getting barcode not found 17:40 squash Hi, I have a little issue adding barcodes for items in Koha. If I go to edit the item, the barcode is shown. When I view the record in the cataloging menu, the items don't have a barcode listed. So, I looked through the database and noticed that the barcodes column has a null value for each item, even though the barcode number is shown when I go to edit the items. If I manually add the barcodes through the database, they show up in the cataloging menu 17:22 kivilahtio2 Ok we are friends again :) 16:57 kivilahtio2 tell me about it 16:57 drojf not fair 16:57 kivilahtio2 drojf: Thomas is sleeping... and he goes to some football game. Sounds like he wont play with me :( 16:56 kivilahtio2 yes 16:55 drojf in marseille? :D 16:54 kivilahtio2 looking for trouble 16:39 cait bye, and hi from marseille next week :) 16:24 gaetan_B bye, see you on monday ! 16:17 drojf [off] i think i have said something similar last year. i'm sure i will say it again next year :D 16:13 drojf [off] oclc call their german pr event "biblio-trend library conference" and try to make it sound like something independent. nice 16:11 fridolin see you and for some IRL at HackFest, have a nice trip 16:02 reiveune bye 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues 14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release 14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #80: NOW UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/80/ 14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues 14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release 14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_D7 build #79: FIXED in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_D7/79/ 14:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 14:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #80 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING) 14:13 magnuse see y'all on monday! 14:04 tcohen heh 14:03 * magnuse thought tcohen was going to a sports game... 14:02 reiveune :) 14:02 tcohen i wasn't planning on using that, don't worry 14:02 tcohen hehehe 14:02 paul_p tcohen = what reiveune just said "paris, on t'encule", means "paris, we f..k you hard" ... forget it pls ;-) 14:01 paul_p bastard is really much much more light that what you'll hear ;-) 14:01 magnuse hehe 14:00 tcohen of course, those bastards! 14:00 paul_p tcohen : if you hear somethinrg about "Paris" or "PSQ", then close your hears (and yes, Paris has nothing to do with this match, it's not PSG-OM. But you know, marseille is forever jealous that Paris is the capital of France, not Marseille 13:58 tcohen i'll need translators 13:57 * tcohen was improvising 13:57 paul_p the good point with you not speaking french is that you won't understand the all the slang an insults they throw... 13:57 tcohen i can learn that :-D 13:57 paul_p tcohen olympique ;-) (and we usually say "allez l'OM" (Olympique de Marseille) ) 13:56 tcohen allez olimpique! 13:56 paul_p (with a friend of mine) 13:55 paul_p he already has a ticket for the football match tonight, at the stadium ;-) 13:55 paul_p magnuse I confirm he arrived safely. 13:55 tcohen i arrived in one, flat single piece 13:55 tcohen hi magnuse 13:55 tcohen hi paul_p 13:55 tcohen heh 13:51 magnuse arrived in one piece? 13:51 magnuse yay 13:49 paul_p fun to chat, while he is less than 1m far :D 13:49 paul_p hello tcohen ;-) 13:49 wahanui tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts 13:49 paul_p tcohen 13:05 p_vdk_ tcohen: You should buy your tickets there : http://www.digitick.com/olympique-de-marseille-sm-caen-sport-stade-velodrome-2015-february-27-css5-om-pg101-ri2522586.html 12:30 drojf cait: thanks 12:30 magnuse Joubu++ 12:29 cait Joubu: looks like you were busy yesterday :) 12:21 cait drojf: ask rangi - i think they did a kids one 11:56 magnuse ah, looks like tcohen made it to france?!? 11:29 tcohen hi ashimema 11:29 ashimema morning tcohen 11:29 tcohen eythian++ 11:29 tcohen morning 11:22 ashimema I'm sure I've seen a few.. though can't off the top of my head link to them 11:13 drojf are there examples of koha opacs customized for children? 10:53 * magnuse is having lunch 10:53 cait magnuse: i think you brought it up, so it's up to you :) 10:52 cait heh 10:52 * magnuse wanders off to have lunch 10:52 magnuse ashimema: you have my support :-) 10:51 ashimema can we just close that one ;) 10:51 ashimema yup 10:49 cait less confusing if bugs don't jump back to start all the time:) 10:49 cait me too 10:47 ashimema personally I far prefer using bugzilla dependancies management 10:46 ashimema whats a 'standing enhancement' ? 10:37 magnuse Viktor: true ;-) 10:37 magnuse cait: ok, i'll leave it then 10:36 Viktor magnuse: What would be the fun in the same statistics everywhere? Or even the same questions each year? 10:33 cait i amnot a fan, but i think we are not all of the same opinion 10:32 magnuse isn't our current thinking that it is better to keep everything on separate bugs? 10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm 10:32 magnuse do we still want to use "standing bugs" like bug 2500? 10:29 cait pm :) 10:28 ashimema . 10:28 cait ashimema: still aroundß sorry, missed you earlier 10:18 drojf without the 'a' 10:18 drojf you have probably seen it if relevant to you, anyway there have been a dspace security releases 09:41 ashimema whad up cait 09:41 ashimema am now 08:32 cait ashimema: around? 08:29 gaetan_B hello 08:16 * magnuse wishes there was a universally agreed upon set of statistics that every library on the planet had to report to the government 07:59 wahanui hello, alex_a 07:59 alex_a bonjour 07:57 fridolin hie 07:51 magnuse not lloking too bad :-) http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Bureau_de_Poste_de_Marseille_Vieux_Port/long.html 07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 07:49 magnuse @wunder boo 07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.9°C (8:49 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 07:49 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:49 reiveune hello 07:45 rsz can anyone help me get beyond this: http://picpaste.com/Screen_Shot_2015-02-27_at_13.11.01-jWFeOUdR.png ? 07:44 coles anyone know how to setup postfix? use for send notices from koha. any tutorial website or forum link 07:42 Viktor Godmorgon magnuse 07:42 coles already setup for the circulation rules 07:42 magnuse and matts 07:42 magnuse tjänare Viktor 07:37 * magnuse waves then dives headlong into the swedish yearly statistics 07:33 coles yep item show up in opac 07:30 cait did you set up a default circulation rule? try adding one for the default libray, default category and default itemtype (or all all all, whatever it says) 07:29 cait hi cole - does the item show up in opac? 07:21 coles Using email of course 07:20 coles Anyone familiar with postfix? Want to sent notices from Koha using it. Or any suggestion how I can send notices to patron? 07:19 rsz hi, I have added a book as biblio, and further added an item inside it, still when I try to place a hold, I get the errror "No available items." on opac search, 07:19 coles hi 07:19 wahanui hey, coles 07:19 coles hola 06:55 cait hi drojf :) 06:53 drojf hi cait :) 06:51 * cait waves 06:51 drojf morning #koha 06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.6°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 06:33 cait @wunder Marseille 06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.1°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 06:33 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:41 dcook That sounds like two per month... but then it sounds like it's referring to two specific issues from two different months in parentheses... 05:41 dcook I just read an email talking about "two per month (ie two monthly)" 05:40 dcook Mind you, it's not an easy thing to talk about 05:39 * dcook thinks the person writing the serials help doesn't know the definition of biannually or bimonthly... 02:40 eythian http://www.metafilter.com/147365/Rural-poverty-and-librarian-ing-for-small-wages 01:49 * dcook heads off again 01:14 pianohacker eythian++ 01:11 eythian I think I googled and found someone else who had similar issues and eventually worked it out. 01:10 pianohacker you're mahvelous. How on earth did you figure that out? 01:09 eythian I had the same issue a little while ago, hence writing it down 01:08 pianohacker *sigh* zebra errors... thank you 01:07 eythian I need to give that page some more polish 01:07 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#No_such_record_type 01:07 eythian yes, that may happen 01:04 pianohacker can I throw up an out-of-the-loop batsignal? My zebra is borked, and rebuilds fail with No such record type: dom./home/feoh3/l/koha/etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/dom-config-marc.xml