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23:45 drojf [off] i should draw a map of the ways i take when i try to do something. i remember i was going to test a patch. then one thing after the other happened, i did the dom stuff for hours and now i found the open browser tab. lol
23:40 drojf that is one splitty net today
23:33 cait hmpf
23:33 dani decreaseLoanHighHolds is not enabled
23:29 cait well, everything is relative :)
23:28 akafred Well ... not the most luxurious place I've stayed in ... :-)
23:23 cait i likedit last year, hope not all good rooms are taken once i get there :)
23:22 cait akafred: youare aso at adonis?
23:22 dani let me check
23:22 dani hm
23:22 cait just wondering loud what settings could influence the due date
23:22 dani one is 2/16 (holiday), one is 2/17
23:22 cait are they using the feature to shorten the due dates ith many holds?
23:22 cait hm
23:22 akafred Yup! If I'm not lost in the Calanques :-)
23:21 dani neither renewed
23:21 dani yeah, I have two books checked out six minutes apart, same itype different due dates
23:21 cait see you sunday night then
23:20 cait hi akafred :)
23:20 * akafred est arrivé a Marseille.
23:20 cait but for multiple cases probably not so likely here hm.
23:20 cait another possible scenario woudl be a renewal with a manual renewal date... or a specific due date...
23:19 dani single
23:19 dani unique holiday
23:11 cait a repeatable one or a single on
23:11 cait maybe looking at what kind of holiday is would be helpful for testing
23:10 dani thanks cait, I will see if I can get more information and test on another 3.16 site
23:10 cait hope you can figure it out
23:10 dani Ok. I will keep poking around the explanation of the two sys prefs was helpful, several of us were stumped on that
23:09 cait :)
23:09 cait well... or someonesmarter than me could
23:08 cait but if it turned out you found a bug, we could write a new test for the problem - and prevent it from happening again
23:07 cait but there is always a chance that something was missed
23:07 cait i was just wondering... that should not be possible
23:07 cait it should be ok
23:06 dani agh, can I do that?
23:05 cait the idea is to prevent regressions
23:05 cait they are run automatically everytime we change something int he code
23:05 cait ah, it's automated tests that should check this works ok for several cases
23:04 dani I don't know what a unit test is {{{blush}}}
23:03 cait with pushing to the next opening day
23:03 cait it hsould work so that the due date can't be on a holiday
23:02 dani I haven't tried, trying to make sure I understood sys prefs
23:02 cait we got a couple of unit tests on those functions i think
23:02 cait can you reproduce it on 3.16?
23:02 cait it might be a possibility
23:02 dani I bet they put the date on the calendar later than they thought?
23:02 cait weird
23:02 cait hm yeah good idea
23:02 dani I could not replicated on 3.18
23:01 dani I even checked to see if patron accounts expired on that day ... nope
23:01 cait not aware of a bug in the current versions... but would require some testing
23:01 dani they issues book on 1/26 and report putting the holiday on the calendar before the new year
23:01 dani 3.16.04
23:01 dani I looked to see that the items were not issued before they put it on the calendar
23:01 cait ifyou entered the holiday too late... the dates would already be calculated wrong
22:59 cait which version are they using?
22:59 cait i mean the holiday?
22:59 cait did they enter the date on time?
22:59 dani you are thinking of the right one
22:59 cait hm
22:59 dani yes, saw that. the library I am working was using push to the next open date, but many items ended up with a due date on that holiday
22:58 cait hm is that the one with the 3 options? the pref? or is that anothe rone i am thinking about?
22:58 cait i think here is one to ignore the calendar
22:58 cait hm?
22:58 dani would either of those prefs to not respect a holiday?
22:57 cait cool :)
22:57 cait we mostly use the next opening day - it seems the most fair
22:57 dani Thanks so much
22:57 dani yes
22:57 dani that makes sense now
22:57 dani OK.
22:57 cait i think
22:57 cait if you want it to be the second mondy... and saturday and sunday are closed... the loan period you would use is 10
22:57 cait it won't be amonday in the second case..
22:57 drojf nevermind :)
22:57 drojf ah. now
22:56 drojf the last part was confusing to me ;)
22:56 cait did this make sense?
22:55 cait the second option only counts days the library is open, so 2 weeks is 14 opening days... and weekends not counted
22:55 cait and ah, wednesday is open, so that will be the due date
22:55 cait tuesday is closed too... so wednesday
22:54 cait then the script looks at tuesday
22:54 cait but the due date would fall on a monday that is a holiday
22:54 cait so say... the loan period is 2 weeks
22:54 cait the first uses the next open day, if the due date would fall onto a day the library is closed
22:54 cait ok
22:54 cait going there by train on sunday
22:54 cait not yet
22:54 dani are you in France cait?
22:53 dani Here it is: in the sys pref useDaysMode what is the different between "calculate the due date using (the calendar to push the due date to the next open day) and (the calendar to skip all days the library is closed.)
22:53 dani hi, cait and everyone can anyone answer a question I have about a calendar sys pref?
22:53 cait hi dani
22:53 dani hello
22:53 cait heh
22:52 drojf i am too tired now to test if i did not forget anything. so i hope i have not ;)
22:52 cait drojf++
22:52 drojf i have completely rewritten the 'switching to dom indexing' wiki page
21:57 talljoy darn. i didn't
21:55 wahanui well, linker is entirely Zebra-based.
21:55 talljoy stumped you!
21:55 talljoy linker?
21:54 wahanui authorities is http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html
21:54 talljoy authorities?
21:54 talljoy nice wahanui
21:52 wahanui jcamins is brilliant
21:50 talljoy jcamins?
21:40 * magnuse wishes #koha a good weekend - see some of you on monday!
21:20 magnuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_d%27Habitation#Cit.C3.A9_radieuse.2C_Marseille
21:19 Viktor Looks quite interesting.
21:18 Viktor The kind of thing I can't tell interested in culture that I missed for sitting in a crowded office with my computer :)
21:17 magnuse http://www.marseille-citeradieuse.org/ was pretty awesome
21:16 Viktor magnuse: No not really. Even if I can appreciate the thought that goes into good architecture.
21:15 magnuse oh Viktor: are you into architecture?
21:13 cait cool :)
21:13 huginn drojf: kivilahtio2 was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <kivilahtio2> it always gets me
21:13 drojf @seen kivilahtio2
21:12 huginn magnuse: tcohen was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <tcohen> heh
21:12 magnuse @seen tcohen
21:11 magnuse he is going to a football match this evening, with a friend of paul_p, if i am not mistaken
21:11 drojf kivilahtio forced him to go out and party i think :D
21:11 magnuse yup
21:11 cait magnuse: aah, did he give a life sign?
21:10 magnuse tcohen isn't going, he is there already :-)
21:10 magnuse yup
21:10 drojf i'm the only one not going to marseille, right? :'(
21:10 magnuse friday evening - perfect time for fixing the important things ;-)
21:09 Viktor I'll stop after this one. But I'm looking forward to the Häckfest!
21:09 drojf heh
21:08 Viktor Müch better
21:07 magnuse tjänare!
21:07 magnuse yay!
21:07 drojf nice!
21:07 Viktor How about ÅÄÖ œ ç
21:03 magnuse that is what i used, drojf
21:03 drojf i hope their docs are not as outdated as ours
21:03 magnuse restart xchat, that is, not the whole machine
21:03 drojf Viktor: http://xchat.org/encoding/
21:02 magnuse i did this in XChat on ubuntu: XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart
21:02 Viktor I'll have a new look around.
21:02 Viktor Is there anything to do on the client side? XChat Azure. Did a quick look in the settings but no obvious UTF-8.
21:02 magnuse ooh, nso is "only" 152! how low can we get it during next week?
21:01 magnuse Viktor: maybe try fiddling with your settings a bit?
20:59 magnuse question marks, that is
20:59 Viktor Hm. Looks fine from here, but it's nice to be understood too...
20:59 magnuse for me too
20:59 drojf thats a lot of ?
20:58 Viktor ??? looks like this. Throwing in some ? ? ???
20:58 magnuse Viktor: how are your umlauts doing? they are usually borken in pm
20:57 drojf very nice :D
20:57 magnuse møøp mööp
20:57 Viktor magnuse: Might very well be the case :)
20:57 magnuse i plan on skiving off after lunch one day, to walk in the panier and maybe eat at Mucem...
20:56 drojf yay you fixed the umlauts :)
20:56 * drojf throws some lactose free chocolate into #koha :D
20:55 magnuse next year ;-)
20:55 magnuse yup :-)
20:55 Viktor To bad I'm not staying the full week.
20:54 magnuse they have a good restaurant too
20:54 magnuse the museum called Mucem is really nice
20:54 Viktor Reading up on some tourists site made me sort of reevalutate the whole "I'll just have a nice walk" a bit.
20:53 Viktor Also oops.
20:53 magnuse yeah, someone was shot and killed the last time we were there, apparently
20:53 magnuse oops
20:52 Viktor There was some kind of incident with people firing automatic weapons at the police. In the suburbs
20:52 magnuse oh?
20:51 Viktor Yes there was some international news the other day.
20:51 magnuse marseille *is* a violent city, but i think most of that happens in the suburbs
20:51 cait yeah same here
20:51 cait heh
20:51 Viktor magnuse: phew :)
20:51 magnuse (but i have never hung around in bars half the night either)
20:50 magnuse i have never seen anything scary in the city center
20:50 Viktor Is it safe to walk about?
20:49 Viktor Views is always good.
20:49 magnuse i like Le Panier, the old town
20:49 Viktor Sunds sweet
20:49 magnuse hehe
20:49 Viktor :)
20:49 magnuse nah, not too bad
20:49 cait don't eat too much cheese before you go up there
20:49 cait very steep
20:49 magnuse Viktor: notre dame de la garde - steep but not too long climb from the biblibre office, with a magnificent view
20:48 * barton wants a console based IRC client that groks readline and UTF8... other than that, he is satisfied with irssi
20:46 barton [actually, I pretty well alreayd knew that]
20:45 barton TIL irssi sucks when it comes to diacritics.
20:40 cait :)
20:33 Viktor Any tourist advice for Marseille btw?
20:28 magnuse so in XChat do XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart
20:28 squash netsplits are fun
20:25 magnuse yay
20:25 jcamins Much better!
20:25 magnuse møøp mööp
20:24 magnuse might have to restart
20:23 jcamins Nope.
20:23 magnuse better now?
20:23 magnuse møøp mööp
20:21 magnuse norwegian milk chocolate
20:21 * magnuse has chocolate
20:20 jcamins drojf: are you going to give us some of the chocolate?
20:19 drojf alright, i have to go to buy some chocolate and you fix magnuse's umlauts while i'm gone :)
20:19 * magnuse uses XChat
20:18 * magnuse suspects jcamins of being right too
20:18 drojf i think jcamins is right
20:17 magnuse møøp
20:17 drojf no i have seen it before
20:17 cait or that
20:17 cait oh
20:17 cait magnuse are broken intentionally i think
20:17 jcamins magnuse: I think there's a problem with UTF-8 in your IRC client.
20:17 drojf cait's are ok for me
20:17 magnuse mööp
20:17 cait mööp?
20:17 drojf cait: can you say mööp please?
20:17 drojf i wonder why your umlauts are broken for me
20:16 magnuse sure is :)
20:16 drojf it's møøp in norwegian :D
20:14 magnuse møøp
20:14 drojf mööp
20:14 cait wheee
20:13 magnuse wheee!
20:10 drojf 3.14
20:09 drojf which was the first release with dom indexing for biblios out of the box?
20:08 Viktor Hi magnuse!
20:08 magnuse hiya Viktor
19:54 barton so, based on C4/SIP/Sip/Constants.pm and MsgType.pm, I can tell that Koha is definitely *capable* of parsing sip message type 29 (RENEW) and 65 (RENEW_ALL), but I don't know yet how it will/should respond to a check out request for an item that is already checked out to the user. Any pointers? Even a section of code to look at would be helpful.
19:33 barton before I go spelunking into ./C4/SIP/ILS, can anyone tell me about how Koha handles renewals through SIP: will it accept a renewal using the "11" check out message, or will it only accept a "29" renewal message?
18:49 * drojf feeds the wiki to zebra and kicks zebra off a cliff
18:37 drojf it's really bad we tell people to switch to dom and there is no information on how to do that that a regular person could use in any way
18:06 drojf oh. well. you got a point there, because i'd not need outdated wiki entries on zebra then in the first place :D
18:05 kivilahtio2 it always gets me
18:05 kivilahtio2 drojf: I am starting to doubt the necessity of elasticsearch, until i start to work with Zebra again
18:04 drojf also i'd prefer ebsco to sponsor somebody to update all that outdated wiki entries over having elasticsearch 1000 times.
18:02 drojf if i had tried reindexing before changing to dom, i'd know if i broke something now or earlier. sigh
17:54 oleonard That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on.
17:52 squash the second images is when I search the catalog through the staff client for the book, the barcode column is blank. and shows (NULL) in the database.
17:52 squash the first images is the items listed when I go to edit the record and add items, and it shows the barcode.
17:51 squash oleonard: http://imgur.com/1MpKC3u,wzl5ob2
17:46 squash one sec. trying to get screenshots.
17:44 oleonard What do you mean by "view the record in the cataloging menu?"
17:41 squash and can be searched by barcode or checked out, unlike before, I was getting barcode not found
17:40 squash Hi, I have a little issue adding barcodes for items in Koha. If I go to edit the item, the barcode is shown. When I view the record in the cataloging menu, the items don't have a barcode listed. So, I looked through the database and noticed that the barcodes column has a null value for each item, even though the barcode number is shown when I go to edit the items. If I manually add the barcodes through the database, they show up in the cataloging menu
17:22 kivilahtio2 Ok we are friends again :)
16:57 kivilahtio2 tell me about it
16:57 drojf not fair
16:57 kivilahtio2 drojf: Thomas is sleeping... and he goes to some football game. Sounds like he wont play with me :(
16:56 kivilahtio2 yes
16:55 drojf in marseille? :D
16:54 kivilahtio2 looking for trouble
16:39 cait bye, and hi from marseille next week :)
16:24 gaetan_B bye, see you on monday !
16:17 drojf [off] i think i have said something similar last year. i'm sure i will say it again next year :D
16:13 drojf [off] oclc call their german pr event "biblio-trend library conference" and try to make it sound like something independent. nice
16:11 fridolin see you and for some IRL at HackFest, have a nice trip
16:02 reiveune bye
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues
14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release
14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #80: NOW UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/80/
14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues
14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release
14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_D7 build #79: FIXED in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_D7/79/
14:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #80 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
14:13 magnuse see y'all on monday!
14:04 tcohen heh
14:03 * magnuse thought tcohen was going to a sports game...
14:02 reiveune :)
14:02 tcohen i wasn't planning on using that, don't worry
14:02 tcohen hehehe
14:02 paul_p tcohen = what reiveune just said "paris, on t'encule", means "paris, we f..k you hard" ... forget it pls ;-)
14:01 paul_p bastard is really much much more light that what you'll hear ;-)
14:01 magnuse hehe
14:00 tcohen of course, those bastards!
14:00 paul_p tcohen : if you hear somethinrg about "Paris" or "PSQ", then close your hears (and yes, Paris has nothing to do with this match, it's not PSG-OM. But you know, marseille is forever jealous that Paris is the capital of France, not Marseille
13:58 tcohen i'll need translators
13:57 * tcohen was improvising
13:57 paul_p the good point with you not speaking french is that you won't understand the all the slang an insults they throw...
13:57 tcohen i can learn that :-D
13:57 paul_p tcohen olympique ;-) (and we usually say "allez l'OM" (Olympique de Marseille) )
13:56 tcohen allez olimpique!
13:56 paul_p (with a friend of mine)
13:55 paul_p he already has a ticket for the football match tonight, at the stadium ;-)
13:55 paul_p magnuse I confirm he arrived safely.
13:55 tcohen i arrived in one, flat single piece
13:55 tcohen hi magnuse
13:55 tcohen hi paul_p
13:55 tcohen heh
13:51 magnuse arrived in one piece?
13:51 magnuse yay
13:49 paul_p fun to chat, while he is less than 1m far :D
13:49 paul_p hello tcohen ;-)
13:49 wahanui tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts
13:49 paul_p tcohen
13:05 p_vdk_ tcohen: You should buy your tickets there : http://www.digitick.com/olympique-de-marseille-sm-caen-sport-stade-velodrome-2015-february-27-css5-om-pg101-ri2522586.html
12:30 drojf cait: thanks
12:30 magnuse Joubu++
12:29 cait Joubu: looks like you were busy yesterday :)
12:21 cait drojf: ask rangi - i think they did a kids one
11:56 magnuse ah, looks like tcohen made it to france?!?
11:29 tcohen hi ashimema
11:29 ashimema morning tcohen
11:29 tcohen eythian++
11:29 tcohen morning
11:22 ashimema I'm sure I've seen a few.. though can't off the top of my head link to them
11:13 drojf are there examples of koha opacs customized for children?
10:53 * magnuse is having lunch
10:53 cait magnuse: i think you brought it up, so it's up to you :)
10:52 cait heh
10:52 * magnuse wanders off to have lunch
10:52 magnuse ashimema: you have my support :-)
10:51 ashimema can we just close that one ;)
10:51 ashimema yup
10:49 cait less confusing if bugs don't jump back to start all the time:)
10:49 cait me too
10:47 ashimema personally I far prefer using bugzilla dependancies management
10:46 ashimema whats a 'standing enhancement' ?
10:37 magnuse Viktor: true ;-)
10:37 magnuse cait: ok, i'll leave it then
10:36 Viktor magnuse: What would be the fun in the same statistics everywhere? Or even the same questions each year?
10:33 cait i amnot a fan, but i think we are not all of the same opinion
10:32 magnuse isn't our current thinking that it is better to keep everything on separate bugs?
10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm
10:32 magnuse do we still want to use "standing bugs" like bug 2500?
10:29 cait pm :)
10:28 ashimema .
10:28 cait ashimema: still aroundß sorry, missed you earlier
10:18 drojf without the 'a'
10:18 drojf you have probably seen it if relevant to you, anyway there have been a dspace security releases
09:41 ashimema whad up cait
09:41 ashimema am now
08:32 cait ashimema: around?
08:29 gaetan_B hello
08:16 * magnuse wishes there was a universally agreed upon set of statistics that every library on the planet had to report to the government
07:59 wahanui hello, alex_a
07:59 alex_a bonjour
07:57 fridolin hie
07:51 magnuse not lloking too bad :-) http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Bureau_de_Poste_de_Marseille_Vieux_Port/long.html
07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
07:49 magnuse @wunder boo
07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.9°C (8:49 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
07:49 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:49 reiveune hello
07:45 rsz can anyone help me get beyond this: http://picpaste.com/Screen_Shot_2015-02-27_at_13.11.01-jWFeOUdR.png ?
07:44 coles anyone know how to setup postfix? use for send notices from koha. any tutorial website or forum link
07:42 Viktor Godmorgon magnuse
07:42 coles already setup for the circulation rules
07:42 magnuse and matts
07:42 magnuse tjänare Viktor
07:37 * magnuse waves then dives headlong into the swedish yearly statistics
07:33 coles yep item show up in opac
07:30 cait did you set up a default circulation rule? try adding one for the default libray, default category and default itemtype (or all all all, whatever it says)
07:29 cait hi cole - does the item show up in opac?
07:21 coles Using email of course
07:20 coles Anyone familiar with postfix? Want to sent notices from Koha using it. Or any suggestion how I can send notices to patron?
07:19 rsz hi, I have added a book as biblio, and further added an item inside it, still when I try to place a hold, I get the errror "No available items." on opac search,
07:19 coles hi
07:19 wahanui hey, coles
07:19 coles hola
06:55 cait hi drojf :)
06:53 drojf hi cait :)
06:51 * cait waves
06:51 drojf morning #koha
06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.6°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
06:33 cait @wunder Marseille
06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.1°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
06:33 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:41 dcook That sounds like two per month... but then it sounds like it's referring to two specific issues from two different months in parentheses...
05:41 dcook I just read an email talking about "two per month (ie two monthly)"
05:40 dcook Mind you, it's not an easy thing to talk about
05:39 * dcook thinks the person writing the serials help doesn't know the definition of biannually or bimonthly...
02:40 eythian http://www.metafilter.com/147365/Rural-poverty-and-librarian-ing-for-small-wages
01:49 * dcook heads off again
01:14 pianohacker eythian++
01:11 eythian I think I googled and found someone else who had similar issues and eventually worked it out.
01:10 pianohacker you're mahvelous. How on earth did you figure that out?
01:09 eythian I had the same issue a little while ago, hence writing it down
01:08 pianohacker *sigh* zebra errors... thank you
01:07 eythian I need to give that page some more polish
01:07 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#No_such_record_type
01:07 eythian yes, that may happen
01:04 pianohacker can I throw up an out-of-the-loop batsignal? My zebra is borked, and rebuilds fail with No such record type: dom./home/feoh3/l/koha/etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/dom-config-marc.xml