Time  Nick              Message
22:40 barton_away       didn't realize that those were two different searches.
22:40 barton_away       aha. I had been trying the 'Global system preferences search', and that didn't work.
22:37 nengard           and then copy the url
22:37 nengard           at the top
22:37 nengard           you search on the admin > system preferences page
22:37 drojf             hi & good night ;)
22:37 barton_away       Hey, what's the way to show a particular system preference, from the staff client? I've seen the bywater folks (particularly nengard) do it, but I didn't note it at the time. I tried '.../admin/preferences?searchfield=XISBN' ... but that didn't work.
22:26 dcook             Thanks :)
22:26 dcook             Hmm, that's neat
22:26 eythian           err /help
22:26 eythian           also, //help lastlog
22:26 eythian           /lastlog keyword
22:26 dcook             :(
22:26 dcook             lastlog
22:26 wahanui           i guess more is only a nother display for what can be accessed from global
22:26 dcook             eythian: Can you tell me more?
22:22 * eythian         points to the lastlog command
22:18 * dcook           scrolls
22:18 dcook             Hmm someone said my name once upon a time...
21:51 andreashm         hello
21:49 eythian           hi
21:10 cait              imight just not have the ear for it :(
21:10 bag               sorry for the typo
21:10 bag               cait :P
21:10 bag               yeah the ending of it cair
21:10 cait              the second word?
21:09 cait              why uh and not ah?
21:09 rangi             listen to that
21:09 rangi             http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/sound/360-maori-words/hakihea.mp3
21:09 cait              you should really record it :)
21:08 cait              hm would saying it german be wrong?
21:08 rangi             2 syllables
21:07 rangi             he a
21:07 rangi             http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/basics/pronunciation.html
21:07 cait              hair uh?
21:07 bag               alright thanks :)
21:06 rangi             i think thats pretty close
21:06 rangi             trying to do it with an american accent
21:06 bag               thanks
21:06 rangi             hair uh
21:05 bag               s/do/does
21:05 bag               rangi how do one pronounce Hea ?
20:56 * magnuse         is running out of battery
20:51 magnuse           beto: make sure you enable importing of items, then
20:50 magnuse           oh, ok
20:50 jcamins           Last I checked the default was not to import items. You have to choose to improt them.
20:46 magnuse           beto: that is weird - the defaults should be to both export and import with items
20:39 cait              morning rangi
20:38 rangi             morning
20:29 beto              but records were imported without items
20:29 beto              i use the "Stage MARC records for import"
20:27 magnuse           how do you reindex after importing?
20:27 magnuse           did you use the staging tool or the command line?
20:25 magnuse           beto: how did you import the records into the second koha?
20:13 beto              and now opac is not showing results
20:13 beto              i try to reindex zebra
20:12 beto              but is not working
20:12 beto              move them to another
20:06 magnuse           what are you trying to do? move records from one koha to another? or rescue records after a crash?
20:05 magnuse           items will be exported unless you choose not to export them, i think
20:04 beto              im using this option "Export data"
20:03 beto              because i dont know how to export items
20:03 beto              yes
20:02 magnuse           did you export without items?
20:01 beto              .mrc extention
20:01 beto              export from koha
19:57 magnuse           beto: how did you make the backup of your records?
19:53 wahanui           The #koha IRC channel is populated by people from many timezones, sometimes even on weekends. However, if no one is here right now and you need help you should take a look at http://koha-community.org/support/
19:53 beto              anybody?
19:53 beto              hello everyone!!
19:38 beto              but i dont know how to do it
19:37 beto              so... i need to import my inventory
19:37 beto              but barcodes are not available
19:37 beto              and i need to import them
19:36 magnuse           drojf: yeah, it might be worth while to keep an eye on their blog
19:36 beto              i made a backup of my records
19:35 beto              i need some help
19:34 beto              hello everyone!!
19:34 drojf             oh there is a blog post from this january about it that i missed before
19:30 magnuse           nothing very concrete, that i know of
19:30 magnuse           they have a bunch of (software) things to do before they open the new library, and the new ils is supposed to be the first one to go live
19:30 drojf             ok :) i only found the anouncement from januay 2014 so i thought there might be more concrete plans now :)
19:29 magnuse           maybe within he next year? no hard date has been set
19:28 magnuse           drojf: no, and neither do they :-)
19:27 drojf             magnuse: do you know when oslo public library is going live with koha?
19:20 magnuse           guten abend
19:17 cait              :)
19:13 * magnuse         gives the evening wave
18:22 Abhijit           can anyone please help
18:21 Abhijit           hi we are using 3.18 while running file we are getting following error   Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 97. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 97.  we are using debian
18:21 Abhijit           hi
17:48 cait              Joubu++ tidy up
17:23 oleonard          cait++ # for bug-wrangling
16:47 gaetan_B          bye
16:19 drojf             :)
16:19 talljoy_sortofDND i've only set my door ajar...not quite closed!
16:19 talljoy_sortofDND LOL
16:19 * drojf           sortofdisturbs talljoy_sortofDND
16:13 drojf             hi #koha
16:10 nengard_phone     what does group mean?
16:10 nengard_phone     can someone give me more info about this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/administration.html#OpacGroupResults
16:00 reiveune          bye
15:31 gerundio          is there a simple way to perform updates on records fields given an index of its occurrence?
15:31 gerundio          but this way the 1st occurrence of the field in the record gets overwritten by the following occurrences
15:31 gerundio          I tried using $record->field($field_number)->update($subfield_id => $subfield);
15:31 gerundio          due to the repetition fields, for instance, if there are two or more occurrences of a 700 field for a given biblio record
15:31 gerundio          but I'm having a few problems when saving the changes
15:31 gerundio          basically I picked up an existing script to read all biblio records
15:31 gerundio          I'm creating a script to remove all occurrences of commas and spaces at the end of a given set of of MARC fields for all our biblio records
15:30 gerundio          hi everyone
15:24 kivilahtio        Joubu: thanks
15:24 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Remove columns branchcode, categorytype from table overduerules_transport_types
15:24 Joubu             kivilahtio: bug 13624 is back in the NSO queue, if you fancy giving it a try ;)
15:15 jenkins_koha      Nicole C. Engard: update 'no renewal before'
15:15 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_Docs build #641: FIXED in 8 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/641/
15:15 wahanui           o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
15:15 jenkins_koha      Yippee, build fixed!
15:14 jenkins_koha      Starting build #641 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #639 2 days 17 hr ago)
15:01 jenkins_koha      Nicole C. Engard: update 'no renewal before'
15:01 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_Docs_3.16.x build #17: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.16.x/17/
15:01 jenkins_koha      Starting build #17 for job Koha_Docs_3.16.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:00 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_Docs build #640: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/640/
14:56 tcohen            uff, mark put a lot of effort on those patches!
14:55 tcohen            Joubu: i could push it
14:55 cait              talk to you all tomorrow/later
14:54 cait              hm ok, have to catch a bus
14:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , OAI-PMH GetRecord result doesn't include item data
14:54 wahanui           rumour has it bug 12252 is waiting for signoff, y'know, if someone is bored
14:54 cait              bug 12252
14:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
14:54 cait              bug 11592
14:54 tcohen            11592, i don't think i'll push it
14:53 * tcohen          is confused
14:53 Joubu             tcohen: does it mean you won't push 12252 before?
14:52 * tcohen          wished he could finish it in time
14:51 tcohen            on Marseille
14:51 tcohen            i'll show you something i've been working on regardig visibility
14:51 Joubu             actually 12252 does not apply anymore
14:51 tcohen            leave it
14:50 Joubu             it won't be pushed...
14:50 Joubu             tcohen: and? :)
14:49 tcohen            Joubu: you can pass it if you feel like that
14:47 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , OAI-PMH GetRecord result doesn't include item data
14:47 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
14:47 Joubu             tcohen: what can I do with bug 11592? I know it will be in conflict with another PQA bug (bug 12252)? I don't want to spent time on it since I know it won't be pushed, but on the same time failing it is not fair...
14:43 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , relative's checkouts in the opac
14:43 Joubu             QA pov needed on bug 9303 comment 200
14:42 Viktor            Even if I had to spell it right before it worked ;)
14:41 Viktor            Yay - worked fine cait++
14:38 * tcohen          wrote robin about it
14:38 Viktor            Thanks cait, nengard - I'll try that :)
14:37 cait              sudo apt-get install libdbix-connector-perl or like that
14:37 nengard           jinx
14:37 nengard           you need to install that dependency
14:37 cait              a new dependency
14:37 nengard           i got that too
14:37 Viktor            Just did a git pull and broke my dev install. Complaint about DBIx/Connector. Should I be worried?
14:35 tcohen            ah, make it easier to read, no one would blame me for that :-P
14:35 * tcohen          recalls
14:34 * tcohen          did something to the defaultview on the results
14:33 * cait            hmpfs
14:32 ashimema          well.. it is really so blame laid where blame due ;)
14:32 ashimema          yup.. I blame cait ;)
14:31 cait              huh??
14:31 tcohen            ashimema: that's cait fault
14:31 tcohen            ashimema: that's cait fault
14:30 ashimema          we merge in the community ones for every upgrade and i've found that pretty much every upgrade i've done over the last few yeras has had some pretty large xslt changes between versions
14:29 ashimema          xslt's change fairly often actaully..
14:29 tcohen            a recent dcook set of patches tweaked XSLT_handler so it allows passing parameters to the XSLT's
14:29 nengard           yup
14:29 ashimema          but it's a bit of a mare to work with during upgrades if you actually want to attempt to merge in the koha core xslt changes
14:29 cait              i use a trick now... with an external include that has the translated/untrasnlated terms and pull that into my customized one
14:29 nengard           tcohen, but many of our partners are on OLD xslt - so before the rda stuff started to make its way in
14:28 cait              itmakes all more difficult because of the translation process
14:28 ashimema          my best plan to date is on the packages.. I've got a koha-create-custom script which adds a /var/koha/instance/wwwdocs directory with a git controlled set of customs xslt's for that isntance
14:28 tcohen            xslts don't change too often, and/or they have minor fixes
14:28 nengard           so now we're going to create a git repo and pull in the upgrades from Koha and then merge the customizations with the standard Koha xslt
14:28 cait              nengard: imagine you'd have to maintain translated versions...
14:27 nengard           that's not ideal
14:27 nengard           so they were stuck on the version we customized
14:27 ashimema          we've got a big split now of customers on pacakges vs dev installs and the xslt workflow even differes amongst them..
14:27 nengard           up until now we were maintaining separate sheets for each library that wanted customizations and no upgrading them
14:27 nengard           We just started talking it through
14:27 ashimema          I'd be interested in others workflows..
14:27 ashimema          nengard.. how are you doing xslt's then?
14:27 tcohen            YAY!
14:27 ashimema          I'm aiming to join virtually for as much as I can
14:26 ashimema          :'(
14:26 ashimema          sorry tcohen
14:26 * tcohen          just knew he's not meeting some people he expected in marseille, will miss you there! http://snag.gy/0ulYk.jpg
14:26 cait              we just... don't
14:26 ashimema          we've tried that/are trying that.. but it's proving challenign to adopt
14:26 cait              we could do it more sanely with xslt too
14:26 nengard           :)
14:25 wahanui           it has been said that nengard is fast
14:25 ashimema          nengard..
14:25 ashimema          they somehow seem simpler to work with
14:25 ashimema          If I were to start again in that area, I'd probably use clientside js based templates of some sort..
14:25 nengard           we're looking into maintaining git repos for local customizations
14:24 ashimema          i've not found a mergetool that deals with them in a remotely sensible way yet.. xml is nasty for mergetools
14:24 nengard           agreed!!!
14:24 ashimema          and in fact every time someone adds somthing they become a nightmare to merge your customisations into
14:24 ashimema          the xslt's are a huge pain to maintain..
14:21 cait              the structure is hard to work with for customizing currently - if you wanted to reuse/inherit from a base one for example
14:21 cait              it shoudl all be nice templates... but it isn't
14:21 cait              hm actually the marc21 are not well written either
14:20 tcohen            regarding layout, functionality, etc
14:20 tcohen            also, I'd like to see the UNIMARC XSLTs match MARC21 and NORMARC ones
14:20 tcohen            *halt
14:20 tcohen            just thinking on a workflow that wouldn't change users' visualization, but doesn't hakt improvements
14:19 cait              which is... well. hmpf.
14:19 cait              because catalogs will have to deal with both types of records at once :(
14:19 tcohen            cait: I agree, 100%
14:19 cait              but it hink we need to built in some flexibility for RDA
14:19 tcohen            many users could see it as adding more and more noise
14:18 cait              i am guilty of that - so better stay out of it :)
14:18 tcohen            it is difficult to make a decision on patches that add more and more fields
14:18 tcohen            would we agree on accepting patches that add more and more fields to the XSLTs, but also hide them by default through CSS?
14:17 kivilahtio        thanks!
14:14 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11244 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , notices ignoring the dateformat preference
14:14 Joubu             kivilahtio: bug 11244 ?
14:14 kivilahtio        currency_format()
14:13 kivilahtio        Same goes with preferred money format
14:13 kivilahtio        hi Dyrcona
14:13 * Dyrcona         waves to kivilahtio.
14:12 kivilahtio        I think the Letter-module should be responsible for doing the preferred dateformat conversion.
14:11 kivilahtio        Does anybody know if there is some bug about doing date transformations to the preferred dateformat in the C4::LetterGetPreparedLetter?
14:07 Joubu             it is a quite huge patch, and not easy to test
14:07 Joubu             it replaces all CRUD calls and remove the code from C4::
14:07 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13726 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller should use Koha::Object
14:07 Joubu             I have submited a patc on bug 13726 to make Koha::Acq::Bookseller using Koha::Object
14:05 ashimema          but we've never done it for production
14:05 ashimema          I've played with nginx a while back Jonathan..
14:05 ashimema          it's just actually doing it that matters.. we need to agree on some QA targets for this sort of thing really..  Like 'when' should the delete functionality be written afresh in the borrowers object... and whether that work also means you should immediately ensure all cases calling C4::Members should instead call Koha::Borrowers or whether that's a progressive thing
14:05 Joubu             Does someone use nginx with Koha?
14:03 ashimema          there should be just one!
14:03 ashimema          C4::Accounts is a prime example of this.. why oh why are there like 7 subs that all do almost exactly the same thing..
14:02 ashimema          I'd like to see that point moving towards objects in the Koha namespace as hopefully that would mean some nicer, clearer mehods and less duplication of code..
14:02 Joubu             I think everybody agrees, and for a long time
14:02 cait              so we all agree - nice :)
14:01 ashimema          yup..
14:01 cait              which is i think what the 2 of you are saying :)
14:01 * cait            just wants all the checks in one central place
14:01 ashimema          glad you agree tcohen :)
14:01 ashimema          :)
13:54 tcohen            ashimema: we definitely want to move business logic into Koha::
13:54 cait              tcohen++ it works :)
13:50 cait              thx!
13:50 cait              let me try that :)
13:50 cait              i see
13:50 cait              aah
13:49 cait              hmmm but i don't want a fallback
13:49 tcohen            so, COALESCE (i.e. NULL => second parameter, "" in this case)
13:49 tcohen            because CONCAT would fail on NULL values me thinks
13:49 tcohen            COALESCE(ExtractValue...,"")
13:48 tcohen            cait: you should consider using COALESCE at some point
13:48 cait              something like this
13:47 cait              )
13:47 cait              copyrightdate
13:47 cait              " ; ",
13:47 cait              ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="245"]/subfield[@code="c"]'),
13:47 cait              " ",
13:47 cait              ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="245"]/subfield[@code="b"]'),
13:47 cait              " ",
13:47 cait              ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="245"]/subfield[@code="a"]'),
13:47 cait              concat(
13:47 magnuse           hm?
13:47 cait              but if one of the fields is not there it doesn't seem to work
13:47 cait              i am trying to build a short title info with concat and marcxml...
13:47 cait              hmmm
13:42 magnuse           sorry to scare you off Viktor ;-)
13:39 * magnuse         hates the yearly reporting of official statistics
13:26 magnuse           get to know marseille a bit
13:26 magnuse           you'll have some time to adjust to the timezone before it all starts
13:25 magnuse           nice
13:23 tcohen            actually wednesday night to buenos aires, rest and leave country by thursday
13:22 tcohen            thrusday
13:22 magnuse           tcohen: when do you leave again?
13:22 magnuse           finish all the stuff!
13:20 * tcohen          has stuff to finish before leaving argentina
13:18 * tcohen          too !
13:18 * magnuse         waves to tcohen and looks forward to meeting him
13:10 tcohen            yes i was thinking of two things to discuss
13:06 cait              i have added soething to the possible topics yesterday and wondered
13:06 tcohen            we havent
13:06 cait              tcohen: did we set a date for the next dev meeting?
12:56 tcohen            Joubu++
12:53 cait              Joubu++ again
12:53 cait              it's alright - Joubu fixed it :)
12:52 tcohen            just saw your later
12:52 tcohen            hi cait
12:52 cait              morning tcohen :)
12:50 huginn            tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:50 tcohen            @later tell rangi thanks, I think it was because master was incoherently failing too much
12:49 tcohen            morning
11:37 cait              Joubu++
11:22 khall             cait: not sure, I'll have to look it up
11:13 cait              when do you arrive on sunday?
11:13 khall             mornin!
11:13 cait              hi khall
11:11 * andreashm       too
10:54 * magnuse         needs lunch
10:24 andreashm         just cloned the git. now to figure out what I need to do in the config files.
10:22 magnuse           s/you//
10:22 magnuse           andreashm: feedback on how you usable https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox is is always welcome :-)
10:22 * magnuse         is a librarian too
10:17 * ashimema        started off knowing very little about libraries
10:11 cait              < is a librarian too
10:11 andreashm         cait: sounds great
10:11 cait              might be a good opportunity to figure things out
10:11 cait              and we can help you with the first steps
10:10 cait              important bit is that you try :)
10:10 andreashm         ashimema: not that tech. skilled... but I try, and fail a lot. =)
10:09 ashimema          sandboxes are good for lots of more basic patches.. dev-box is a step up to allow testing of some of the more complex ones :)
10:09 andreashm         I've just added an account to bugzilla too, for that.
10:09 ashimema          depends how technical a librarian you are ;)
10:09 andreashm         looked at that last night but didn't get around to it before bedtime
10:09 ashimema          koha dev-box is great :)
10:08 cait              i thnk it would be worth a try
10:08 andreashm         I'm tempted to install the koha dev-box
10:08 cait              magnuse: ?
10:08 cait              i have heard good things about koha-dev-box
10:08 cait              there are sandboxes - but they are a bit limited in testing
10:08 cait              hm generally having a koha is good
10:07 andreashm         is there anything that is preferable to install on my computer (mac) for the hackfest? As a librarian, not a developer.
10:07 cait              just warning kivilahtio - I think he wants to rewrite it too - so might be good to know about each others efforts
10:07 cait              andreashm: there has been some first patches from inlibro on bugzilla, but haven' thad a chance to take a closer look
10:05 andreashm         I hope that overdue notice improvment is progressing nicely. We would like it to happen too! =)
10:04 andreashm         I know. Getting close!
10:03 cait              andreashm: one week now to Marseille :)
10:03 cait              kivilahtio: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Overdue_Notice_Enhancement
10:03 andreashm         hey cait
10:02 cait              hi andreashm
10:01 andreashm         hi #koha
09:57 cait              just a warning - you might run into each other there badly
09:57 cait              and some first patches on bugzilla
09:56 cait              there are rfcs for the work on the wiki
09:55 cait              kivilahtio: about overdues... i think you run into conflicts with inlibro's work there :(
09:37 kivilahtio        well see. thanks for the bug!
09:37 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Failed QA , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension
09:37 wahanui           bug 9296 is mine but that's less radical
09:37 Joubu             kivilahtio: bug 9296
09:37 kivilahtio        Joubu: If his approach is better I am happy to srap my code
09:36 magnuse           yeah, early warnings are good because 1) it decreases the risk of your work getting shot down when you think you are done with it 2) because it decreases the chance that people work on the same things in paralell
09:36 kivilahtio        ot open bugs
09:36 kivilahtio        Joubu: I didn't see any commits in hte bugzilla?
09:36 Joubu             kivilahtio: for instance there are already someone working on overdues
09:36 kivilahtio        Joubu: and I don't have time to solve other peoples issues atm.
09:35 kivilahtio        Joubu: I agree, but somebody can use my work as a basis
09:35 ashimema          coolios
09:35 Joubu             It has been proved that when people work alone and arrive with "look at that, it's amazing, I did it!", it does no really work
09:35 kivilahtio        but I need to solve our overdue issues and I am trying to do it in as extendable fashion as I can
09:35 kivilahtio        you can scrap my commits, that is for you as a community tyo decide
09:34 ashimema          I was less thinking committee.. more thinking talk out to a few key devs and get their support on a method ;) or at least their agreement not to overlap in scope ;)
09:34 kivilahtio        its just empty talk
09:34 kivilahtio        and what is the point of committeering about, if there is nothing done?
09:34 kivilahtio        If I had a committee for everything, I wouldnt have even started :)
09:34 ashimema          we're really bad at that as a community
09:33 ashimema          get everyone singing from the same hym sheet
09:33 kivilahtio        Joubu: I will share the code this week
09:33 ashimema          deffo.. speak out about refactor kivi..
09:33 kivilahtio        I made some crappy hacks on to of the message_queue but that sucked so bad and eventually the module I wrote broke, but now I have toime for a proper rewrite
09:33 Joubu             kivilahtio: you should ask and discuss before any refactoring... :)
09:33 ashimema          so it should sit nicely atop an accounts OO module when we slot it in :)
09:33 kivilahtio        we need to send overdues only on tuesdays, and the current Koha model doesnät really work very well like that.
09:33 ashimema          our cash man stuff is all nice OO..
09:33 ashimema          that's pretty much exactly the route I'm hoping to take with accounts..
09:32 ashimema          oooh.. cool..
09:32 kivilahtio        from the scratch :)
09:32 kivilahtio        rewriting the overdue letter rules and sending subsystems to an sane OO-model
09:32 ashimema          I can't say I like Kyles re-write either.. he did it ages ago now and it's grown into a monster over the years.. and it shows
09:32 kivilahtio        I am currently refactoring the overdues module
09:32 * magnuse         makes a note of that promise
09:32 ashimema          haha..
09:31 kivilahtio        ashimema: In two years ill help you refactor somehting :)
09:31 ashimema          there's simply no need for so many..
09:31 ashimema          it's crazyhow many overlapping subs there are in C4::Accounts
09:30 kivilahtio        this... is... KOHAAA!
09:30 kivilahtio        ashimema: lot of the original stuff is maddening :)
09:30 ashimema          the original stuff is madelning
09:30 ashimema          all our stuff is based on the original.
09:30 kivilahtio        ashimema: how bad is the accounts stuff?
09:30 ashimema          I really want to do an alternative re-write now :(
09:29 ashimema          it did highlight how bad the accounts stuff is in koha though.. and how the re-wrtie didn't actually seem to make anything any better
09:29 ashimema          indeed it does.. goes against my better judgment.. but they had a desperate timeline and were willingto take the fallout
09:28 magnuse           hehe, putting things in production do tend to highlight the bugs, yes
09:28 ashimema          it'll be a nice one to submit once I'm happy it's all working.
09:28 magnuse           nice
09:28 ashimema          been ironing out bugs ever since..
09:28 ashimema          Cash Management is flying along now.. we wen't live with it two fridays back for a big public customer..
09:27 ashimema          oh.. lol.. just spotted it
09:27 ashimema          lucky cait?
09:26 magnuse           ooh, lucky cait
09:26 ashimema          :)
09:26 wahanui           the cheese is delicious, but cait just had butter.
09:26 magnuse           and the cheese!
09:26 ashimema          I hope to join in allot online though.. just means I can't easily join in the group discussions and the evening entertainments ;(
09:26 magnuse           you will be missed, though
09:26 magnuse           infants are perfectly good reasons for staying at home! :-)
09:25 ashimema          that and the daughter.. was a mix of not easily being able to get the passport back in time and feeling I sohuld stick around here to help the misses with our few week old daughter still at that point ;)
09:24 ashimema          yup
09:24 ashimema          unless anyone wants to organise another one a bit later in th eyear ;)
09:24 magnuse           was it the passport thing?
09:24 ashimema          there's awlays next year.
09:24 magnuse           :-)
09:24 ashimema          next year
09:24 * ashimema        is bitter that he can't get to hackfest..
09:24 magnuse           no worries
09:23 ashimema          so i'm a bit out of the loop on it at the minute i'm afraid
09:23 magnuse           very cool
09:23 ashimema          I'll get him to walk you through it.. it's shifted and changed allot throughout proceedings as we've learnt stuff..
09:23 ashimema          though I won't be making marseille myself, Alex S will be going and he's the one whose been doing all the ILL work..
09:22 ashimema          in response to your later magnuse..
09:22 ashimema          morning koha
09:13 magnuse           bonjour paul_p
08:39 magnuse           gaetan_B: yup, really starting to look forward to the whole thing!
08:33 gaetan_B          hi magnuse, ready for the cheese ?
08:32 magnuse           bonjour gaetan_B
08:32 gaetan_B          hello
08:28 * magnuse         tries to not nag eythian
08:24 * magnuse         delays that upgrade
08:24 magnuse           ah, no packages yet
08:20 * magnuse         goes to upgrade his "test" server
08:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIx connection needs to be cached
08:17 magnuse           bug 13645 "Holding for 3.18.5, I need to test this more."
08:16 cait              i think that made it
08:16 magnuse           "Pushed to 3.18.x will be in 3.18.4"
08:16 magnuse           i *think* that is the main one
08:15 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13690 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Koha::Schema should be lazy-loaded
08:15 magnuse           bug 13690
08:14 cait              not sure what is in master yet either
08:14 cait              not sure, i think not yet
08:14 magnuse           so, did the main performance stuff make it into 3.18.4?
08:12 cait              good mroning all
08:11 Viktor            Kia ora Magnuse! And greetings all of #koha
08:10 magnuse           kia ora cait and Viktor
08:02 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 5.4°C (9:01 AM CET on February 23, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:02 magnuse           @wunder marseille
08:02 magnuse           just one week to go now!
08:00 alex_a            bonjour
08:00 Joubu             hello #koha
07:47 reiveune          hello
07:39 * magnuse         waves
07:33 marcelr           hi fridolin
07:33 fridolin          hie
07:30 marcelr           hi #koha
00:24 jenkins_koha      Starting build #58 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)