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22:59 barton wnickc: well, we *were* talking about murphy's law ... ;-) you're right, success and agreement aren't mutually exclusive. IN any case, I say HUZZAH!
22:38 wnickc but indeed success
22:38 wnickc can't it be both?
22:33 barton wnickc: is that agreement, or success? ;-)
22:28 wnickc barton:huzzah
22:21 barton wnickc: that's the story of my life, when it comes to zebra. Murphy's law has a tight grip on that beast.
22:19 wnickc barton:oh, maybe I should copy the thrid file over instead of just two ;)
22:15 barton *sigh*
22:15 wnickc js is missing closing );
22:14 wnickc hm...will keep playing, thought maybe it was restarting zebra
22:12 barton wnickc: last time I checked...
22:12 wnickc working for a, not z, unless it doesn't like my made up number
22:11 wnickc hm...is it?
22:10 barton wnickc: yes.
22:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Needs Signoff , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number -- Indexing & Matching
22:09 wnickc barton: is bug 6499 supposed to inxed 035z as well as a?
21:52 barton drojf: that covers the syntax <index-name> 1=<bib 1 attribute> -- e.g. Doc-id 1=1032 ... that I understand. but when it looks like this: <index-name> 1=<index-name>, e.g. 'Summary 1=Summary' it doesn't make sense -- it seems to point to itself.
21:47 drojf barton: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing
21:42 * barton is purplexed.
21:41 barton in bib1.att, we have this: att 9902 Summary
21:39 barton how does that work?
21:39 barton dcook [or any other zebra wizards] -- I have a quick question about ccl.properties -- I'm seeing the following entry: Summary 1=Summary
21:38 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: remove tip about iso because now it says marc
21:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #639: SUCCESS in 3 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/639/
21:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #639 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:45 cait you too!
19:45 tcohen have a nice weekend everyone
19:27 jcamins Thanks.
19:22 cait good luck?
19:20 * jcamins is trying to eat his first actual meal since Tuesday. It's not working so well.
19:20 cait oh
19:19 jcamins cait: flu.
19:19 cait why are you tired? :)
19:18 * jcamins too.
19:18 cait i can agree to tired
19:17 drojf yup :D
19:17 cait even for english? :)
19:17 drojf heh wrong window
19:17 drojf zu müde für alles
19:16 bag khall++
19:16 bag Joubu++
19:16 bag oh excellent
18:55 cait :)
18:54 tcohen :-D
18:54 tcohen happy friday!
18:54 tcohen khall++
18:54 tcohen Joubu++
18:54 huginn tcohen: Karma for "Joubu" has been increased 125 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 125.
18:54 tcohen @karma Joubu
18:51 tcohen khall++ # taking DBIx usage seriously
18:51 tcohen Joubu++ # taking DBIx usage seriously
18:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13645 [QA Followup] - Add DBIx::Connector to the list of dependancies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00f27cb0b9fb200a06da461371e04be1501ca107> / Bug 13645: Use DBIx::Connector <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4883835816ebce164ec336f9adcd4c925f9244b4> / Bug 13645: Cache the DBIx connection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35
18:47 cait tcohen: tests pass for me
18:45 cait hm now
18:13 cait sec
18:13 tcohen prove t/db_dependent/Ratings.t
18:13 cait phone
18:13 tcohen cait: can u do me a favor?
18:08 cait :)
18:08 cait hi tomas
18:08 tcohen hi cait
18:03 geek_cl tcohen, thanks .
18:03 tcohen and yes
18:03 tcohen talk to you DBA, will understand
18:03 geek_cl tcohen, right! but? we can disable the administration "column" of the image pasted?
18:03 tcohen geek_cl: yes, he/she will say 'no' because of the 'all'
18:01 tcohen bag: heh, good morning!
18:01 geek_cl tcohen, Ok we going to talk about it... i thinking in this: http://pastebin.com/smyuV4QG
18:01 tcohen Joubu: do we still have fk issues with t/db_dependent/Ratings.t ?
17:57 bag forgot to say hi when I got in :P
17:57 bag morning
17:55 tcohen i think you can safely remove the administration permissions, as I said
17:55 tcohen so what is the question?
17:54 geek_cl tcohen, i mean , actually the user koha_mylibrary have this permissions, http://pbrd.co/1EdMEVz ,, they want less (or more secure) privileges.
17:49 tcohen that's what you can tell the sysop guy
17:49 tcohen and avoid asking for db users management
17:49 tcohen you should ask for all table manipulation permissions
17:49 geek_cl yeah.
17:48 tcohen yes, but think of any upgrade
17:48 geek_cl tcohen, not for install, in fact it is a prod server, just running a "static" koha.
17:47 tcohen you need most of the privileges (i.e. on install/upgrade you might need to drop/create tables)
17:45 geek_cl they can granulate the privileges, but user@koha-{dev,prod}-server, but the problem is "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES"
17:42 geek_cl dedicated"
17:42 geek_cl the DB server is a remote only DB dediated server
17:41 geek_cl we have two Koha enviroments, DEV and PROD, the security guy is fine with GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES with DEV server, but he not like the same access to the PROD servers
17:41 tcohen doubts?
17:39 tcohen our institution (for example) has an internal database server that is only reachable internally
17:39 tcohen allowing only a specific IP access to mysql's port
17:39 tcohen you usually put a firewall in front of it
17:38 tcohen it depends on your infrastructure actually
17:38 tcohen what you mean "not secure"?
17:34 geek_cl tcohen, queda claro ?
17:32 geek_cl i just find this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_Koha_3.6_on_Debian_squeeze_using_a_separate_MySQL_server, but is not most secure conf, right ?
17:32 geek_cl hey!
17:32 tcohen geek_cl: de vuelta
17:30 geek_cl i mean a secure access to PROD Koha server
17:30 geek_cl Hi guys, i need info about the access from koha to a other DB server, but not the GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES access...
17:30 geek_cl i mean a secure access to PROD Koha server
17:30 geek_cl Hi guys, i need info about the access from koha to a other DB server, but not the GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES access...
17:22 tcohen =D
17:22 * tcohen is in fear of his FWtoXSLT beast
16:33 Joubu have a good weekend #koha
16:18 mveron and it saved without complaints
16:17 mveron copied down original and filled in the words. Text / brackets are the same.
16:17 drojf i think the german version of professional has parentheses
16:17 drojf it saved ok for me too, but it complained at one point
16:17 mveron de-CH ..
16:16 mveron drojf: I did a new translation in my cd-CH file, and it saves OK...
16:16 drojf in the german version
16:16 drojf mveron: it's because of nested brackets
16:16 mveron ^ that's the source text
16:15 mveron %sAdd%sDuplicate%s Modify%s patron (%s%s%s%sOrganization%s%sAdult%s%sChild%s%sProfessional%s%sStaff%s%s)
16:15 mveron hi cait and drojf, I downloaded de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po, open it in Poedit and save, gets one error: 'msgstr' is not a valid C format string...
16:14 AmitG chris around
16:06 drojf spahanui
16:04 nengard_phone LOL
16:03 wahanui oleonard: bugger all, i dunno
16:03 oleonard wahanui: How come you never give me back rubs?
16:03 * cait waves at oleonard
16:03 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
16:03 oleonard Never mind.
16:03 oleonard It excludes hours if the time is 23:59.
16:03 oleonard Oh wait, I'm speaking too soon.
16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , KohaDates should display hours if they exists by default unless specified
16:02 oleonard I disagree that dates should be shown with times by default (Bug 13739)
15:03 drojf [off] oleonard: wait until the other paul does it ;)
14:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12948: Use word indexing for language (MARC21) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c29a53ea20d668f135c62abbc7dda1bf282be8f0> / Bug 12948: Use word indexing for language (NORMARC) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf89e306a86c440a3296fc89436ad5e854ea4f34> / Bug 13690: use Koha::Schema only when it's needed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
14:55 * oleonard hasn't wondered hard enough to look at the code yet
14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Patch doesn't apply , Add forgot password link to OPAC
14:55 oleonard I wonder if Bug 8753 includes some mechanism for "expiring" password reset links
14:54 cait bgkriegel++ tcohen++
14:54 cait awesome now!
14:54 cait yep
14:53 cait that's good - search was giving problems for a while
14:53 drojf the translation server was much shinier and faster than i remembered it :)
14:52 drojf and i had not even contributed anything to the 3.18 translation
14:52 drojf heh. there were like 150 words :P
14:52 cait drofj++ # translation hero
14:49 drojf :D
14:49 drojf yes. i did. yesterday. where did you think my translation questions came from? D
14:49 cait so somene did already!
14:48 cait oh
14:48 cait still trying to sort things out here :)
14:48 cait only a bit butnot sure when i can get to it
14:48 drojf i still see 4 words left ;)
14:48 drojf is there more?
14:48 drojf cait: not in this second (cooking) but today, yes
14:45 cait drojf: do you have time for translating?
14:42 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza
14:39 magnuse sounds like A Very Good Idea!
14:39 khall What'd I like to to create one service that is feature complete to use as a template and guideline for future services
14:39 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
14:39 magnuse @later tell ashimema any chance of getting a look at your latest and greatest ill code before marseille?
14:38 magnuse very cool!
14:38 khall magnuse: indeed!
14:37 magnuse khall: is that coordinated with ashimema's efforts to submit pianohacker's restful code?
14:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13593: (follow-up) 'stock number' should be 'inventory number' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8770d37de70ea935702139ca955b4dd9d4ff38fa> / Bug 13593: 'stock number' should be 'inventory number' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cc7ac68e1c2993b7780a6fe1c361ddd434a595b> / Bug 12858 [QA Followup] - Don't call webservice if we have no data <http://git.koha-com
14:06 khall still a very rough work in progress, but we need something to throw stones at. Comment and criticize as much as possible!
14:05 tcohen khall++
13:39 huginn 04Bug 13738: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Add RESTful Borrower service
13:39 khall First try at a true REST service. Looking for any input: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13738
13:37 drojf kind of
13:36 drojf spring \o/
13:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 9.0°C (2:20 PM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
13:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
13:36 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Meadow Lake, New York, New York is -15.7°C (8:15 AM EST on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -24.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST this morning...
13:36 jcamins @wunder 11375
13:36 drojf goodness
13:36 oleonard I guess I should program the spa bot to follow me around with a portable heater
13:36 drojf i never used evergreen (which fulfILLment is based on), so maybe setting it all up is self explaining or the evergreen documentation is enough to set up fulfILLment. but maybe not. don't feel like spending a lot of time on that now if that is unclear
13:36 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -22.3°C (8:35 AM EST on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.44 in 1031 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 11 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday...
13:36 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:32 * oleonard programs a spa bot to follow him around and give back rubs
13:32 drojf heh
13:32 jcamins "Would you like another peeled grape with your Interlibrary Loan?"
13:31 drojf exactly!
13:31 jcamins drojf: spa bots? This is a great idea!
13:30 oleonard yeah I don't like that whatever is going on with the project is going on behind closed doors.
13:29 drojf ok but that is not really promising
13:29 drojf *spam
13:29 drojf there are people on irc but it is probably the wrong time of day. or they are spa bots too :D
13:28 oleonard drojf: Same with their developers' mailing list
13:27 drojf *documentation
13:27 drojf oleonard: i see. i tried to read the docuentation wiki and found that there have been daily spam bot changes for at least 2 months now :/
13:25 oleonard drojf: I tried to volunteer my library for fulfILLment + Koha testing and got nowhere.
13:14 jcamins [off] oleonard: you should be honored that he is turning his considerable expertise on your specialty.
13:13 tcohen morning
13:11 drojf anyone using fulfILLment in production?
13:08 drojf [off] congratulations. he knows a lot about everything :)
13:06 magnuse [off] fun fun fun
13:03 oleonard [off] Oh yay now "that other paul" is entering my territory.
11:37 gerundio password change on the way :|
11:36 gerundio bad copy + paste
11:35 gerundio rolando.isidoroyahoo.comNm6kiBsVlOgx
09:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady).
09:53 magnuse @wunder boo
09:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 10.7°C (10:52 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
09:53 magnuse @wunder marseille
09:50 fridolin bonjour monsieur magnuse
09:49 magnuse bonjour fridolin
09:35 fridolin hie all
08:49 kivilahtio eythian: Sorry, maybe next year.
08:27 cait ok, bbl :)
08:22 cait no better idea from me i am afraid
08:21 cait hm hold ratio i think in english
08:17 drojf i think vormerkrate is weird. it is actually something like a vormerk(ungs)verhältnis (verhältnis zwischen vormerkungen und vorhandenen exemplaren) as oleonard explained to me. but i found it a few times like this, so i used it too for consistency
08:11 magnuse moin drojf
08:08 drojf hi mveron, magnuse and #koha
08:07 * mveron winkt zurück
08:07 * magnuse winket
08:06 mveron Hi drojf :-)
08:06 mveron Ok, will wait until late afternoon to take de-DE as a base for de-CH
08:04 cait and decipher
08:04 cait have to work through lots of little notes on my materials today
08:04 cait we found some more things in training th elast days
08:03 mveron Better, inclusiver szett...
08:03 cait i think that's what it does... icluding or not including the on order items
08:03 cait hm maybe... einschließlich bestellexemplaren?
08:00 mveron It is the filter "Refine results"
08:00 mveron Included ordered: = "Einschliesslich Bestellungen" ? on /cgi-bin/koha/circ/reserveratios.pl
08:00 cait hi mveron
07:59 mveron hi cait :-)
07:59 Joubu Good morning #koha
07:58 wahanui kia ora, alex_a
07:58 alex_a bonjour
07:57 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is -2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:57 mveron @wunder allschwil
07:57 mveron Good daytime #koha
07:54 magnuse sis: do you get the error for all searches or just some?
07:32 sis i manually installed new one
07:31 sis only warn Class::XSAccessor is old
07:31 sis no error
07:31 magnuse do you get any errors when you reindex?
07:31 magnuse no, that should not be necessary
07:28 sis do i need to change this anywhere else than koha-conf.xml
07:28 sis yes
07:28 sis used http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/switiching_to_do..
07:27 magnuse and did you restart zebra and then reindex everything?
07:27 magnuse ok
07:27 sis i added them manually
07:27 sis those 4 lines were nt there
07:27 sis and changed in koha-conf.xml
07:27 sis i used dom
07:27 sis right
07:27 magnuse do you know how you are indexing?
07:27 magnuse my first gut feeling is that it might have to do with grs1 and dom
07:25 sis from 16 to 18 3.16.4 to 3.18
07:22 sis 3.18 to 3.18.3
07:19 magnuse sis: what did you upgrade from? which version?
07:17 sis can someone help
07:14 * magnuse waves
07:10 sis how to sort out the error
07:09 sis after upgrading to koha 3.18.03 the search results are nt there and we receive an error as Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 800.
06:29 dcook No, it's totes the reverse proxy
06:27 dcook Very strange that it works sporadically
06:26 dcook Or not :(
06:22 bag :)
06:21 dcook bag: Looks like it was the reverse proxy making things time out :p
05:54 dcook Damn it...
05:45 dcook Mmm, and I bet it works in master now because the Export looks like it's done way nicer..
05:44 dcook Hmm, looks like there have been improvements made...
05:40 dcook Hmm... ever more Perl dependencies..
05:38 dcook Like it would explode your logs really quickly? :)
05:38 bag “warn†that seems …
05:37 bag ha
05:33 dcook When I use "warn" to log every line, it downloads perfectly every time.
05:32 dcook Well... that's interesting...
05:29 dcook Well that's supremely frustrating.
05:10 dcook :S
05:10 dcook Yep... fired off 3 download requests in a row... the first two are hanging but the third completed
05:10 dcook ...
05:10 dcook The fourth try downloaded fine
05:10 dcook At least the first 2-3 times
05:10 dcook Hmm...
05:09 dcook 11,000 rows download fine... 11,500 hangs after 7,000-some rows
05:09 dcook So true
05:09 wahanui well, weird is normal after a while :)
05:09 dcook Weird...
04:59 dcook Ah, we have a limit of 500,000...
04:58 dcook I think I got a partially downloaded result of 12,000 rows though..
04:57 dcook I guess the thing to try is 10,001
04:57 dcook But we might have a cap on 10,000?
04:57 dcook I think the harcoded limit is... 99,999
04:57 bag heh - just kidding
04:56 bag take the limit off your report :P
04:56 dcook Well, it's also a local version of the code, which makes it extra special ;)
04:56 bag I thought maybe there was - or a syspref?
04:56 dcook Unless the file is getting corrupted I guess...
04:56 dcook But the limit should stop anything weird happening I would think :S
04:56 dcook Sort of
04:56 bag hmm is there a hardcoded limit?
04:53 dcook 10000 is ok..
04:52 dcook Hmm, no problem with 9999 rows, but 13,000 is failing..
04:50 dcook Hmm, has anyone had any issues downloading CSV results of SQL reports in the Report module?
03:47 dcook That sounded less weird in my head.
03:47 dcook ...
03:47 * dcook seems to recall wizzyrea saying trea was a music lover's music lover.
03:46 * dcook really needs a trip to Wellington if only to hear this man's voice... and get some music recommendations
03:46 dcook hehe
03:11 bag I’d hope he would
03:11 wizzyrea he'd probably do it too.
03:11 wizzyrea hahahahaha
03:11 bag yeah wizzyrea if we ever get that complicated here - I’m calling up trea for that
03:11 wizzyrea at any rate they used it for a long while after he was gone.
03:10 wizzyrea I think one of his former jobs still uses his recording for the voicemail system.
03:10 bag bass != fish
03:10 wizzyrea he does have the best radio voice.
03:10 bag but excellent bass
03:10 wizzyrea hehehehe
03:10 bag HA
03:10 eythian funny accent though
03:10 * bag has a soft spot for trea
03:10 bag I’m happy for the man who has the best radio voice
03:09 wizzyrea :)
03:09 bag but also at the same time :D
03:09 wizzyrea ikr :/
03:09 bag sniff sniff
03:09 wizzyrea trea has much too much to do to hang out with the kohackers anymore :(
03:09 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
03:09 bag @later tell trea - happy birthday man
03:09 bag oh
03:09 huginn bag: trea was last seen in #koha 15 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <trea> indeed
03:09 bag @seen trea
03:08 bag TIDY +1
03:08 wizzyrea make it sensible!
03:08 wizzyrea now's your chance! Make it tidy!
03:08 eythian heh
03:08 wizzyrea because... god help us if you put in all of the shenanigans that we've put in over the years.
03:07 wizzyrea I suggest that you should do what you think is best.
03:07 eythian ...tempted to put all the info in at index time to make lookups faster.
03:07 bag that feels like my brain sometimes
03:07 eythian I think I'm going to have a go making something more sensible there.
03:07 bag ha
03:06 eythian I was just trying to understand something where it had access to a bit of data, decides not to use it and run a heuristic over it all instead.
03:06 bag s/an/and
03:06 bag oh an wizzyrea ’s too
03:06 bag yes eythian I quite agree with that statement
02:57 wizzyrea you said searching in that sentence, I assumed there'd be weirdness.
02:54 eythian so far as I can tell, there's a lot of weirdness in searching authorities
02:45 tcohen daemon --name=$NAME ..
02:45 tcohen bye
02:44 dcook Anyway, I should grab food
02:44 dcook I made a Zebra service a while back for Ubuntu and that sounds familiar
02:44 dcook Could be
02:44 tcohen dcook: isn't it the name for the process?
02:43 dcook I never use it myself. I just Zebra manually when I need to test it
02:43 dcook Fair enough
02:43 dcook Hehe
02:43 eythian You don't need to diagnose it for me, I'm doing something else anyway as something else is broken and I don't care enough about it to fix it right now :)
02:42 * dcook wonders how much that file is really maintained
02:42 eythian I dunno
02:42 dcook I figure it would just use the filename, but maybe it's different in Jessie?
02:42 dcook According to "./misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh", it's name is "koha-zebra-ctl.$DBNAME"
02:41 eythian yes, turns out I have
02:41 dcook You've symlinked it?
02:41 eythian probably
02:41 dcook I think so..
02:41 eythian maybe? I dunno
02:41 dcook Is that the "koha-zebra-ctl.sh" one?
02:40 eythian no, this is a dev setup
02:40 dcook It's for a dev install, I guess?
02:40 dcook But that's not part of the packages
02:40 eythian it starts the koha zebra daemon
02:39 wahanui somebody said the koha-zebra-daemon was in init.d, linked to koha-zebra-ctl.sh in oleonard's koha bin directory
02:39 dcook Hmm, what is the koha-zebra-daemon?
02:39 eythian I just wanted zebra working so I can test something against it
02:38 dcook It makes me wonder if something inside the koha-zebra-daemon just needs updating
02:38 eythian probably, I haven't tried
02:38 dcook Can you start and stop other ones?
02:38 eythian dunno
02:38 dcook Ah, but is this the only service where that happens?
02:38 dcook Hence bizarre :(
02:37 dcook :)
02:37 dcook Yeah, I eventually figured that's what you meant
02:36 eythian well no, if I /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start it works, if I service koha-zebra-daemon start it doesn't.
02:36 dcook Bizarre
02:36 dcook You meant manual as in manual
02:36 dcook Ah, right, I gotcha now
02:35 eythian I wasn't trying to run it at boot
02:35 dcook I thought /etc/init.d make it a service, but that you had to symlink it into the relevant "rc" to get it to run at boot
02:34 eythian I don't think that should matter
02:34 * dcook says having barely ever setup any services ever
02:34 dcook Is it missing from the right "rc" dir?
02:33 eythian if I launch it manually it works
02:33 dcook And it's not that particular service?
02:33 eythian silent failure
02:32 eythian nothing
02:32 dcook Hmm... what happened?
02:32 dcook :(
02:32 eythian but it didn't work
02:32 eythian well, it claims to do the same thing
02:32 dcook That doesn't sound good
02:32 dcook Really?
02:32 dcook O_o
02:32 eythian apparently the 'service' command does something different in jessie.
02:32 eythian huh, it wasn't the init script
02:32 * dcook hates pretty much anything that silently fails
02:31 * eythian hates init scripts that silently fail
02:27 nwrl currently running vm
02:27 nwrl ya
02:27 dcook Anyway, I think that path that wizzyrea gave you is probably the right one
02:26 dcook Even if it is just someone to monitor upgrades, logs, etc.
02:26 nwrl ya
02:26 dcook Maintenance if nothing else.
02:26 dcook While I really like the excitement librarians have for Koha, I want to make sure it's tempered with knowing that technology requires work
02:25 dcook I actually got my MLIS from UBC, but have worked in IT for a few years now
02:25 nwrl lol
02:25 dcook I suppose that was the original intent behind a lot of my questions ;)
02:25 dcook Ahh
02:25 nwrl i work in IT elsewhere
02:25 nwrl yep looking into right now
02:25 dcook And making sure your firewall allows traffic through on port 210
02:24 dcook Well, if I recall correctly, it should be as easy as changing some settings in koha-conf.xml
02:24 nwrl but our current provider doesn't return any more than 20 hits a time
02:24 dcook That'd do it
02:24 dcook Ahhh
02:24 dcook Actually, going back to your original question, why do you want your Koha to be a z39.50 target?
02:24 nwrl we have a Interlibrary system based on z39
02:24 dcook Someone wrote something back in the day?
02:24 dcook I'm not really sure what that means ;)
02:23 nwrl we do have an internal ILS system that is based off of z39
02:23 dcook It sounds like it :S
02:23 nwrl ya MB in my opinion is way behind the times in that matter
02:22 dcook I'm mostly asking because this is probably the best way to install Koha: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Koha_on_Debian
02:22 dcook In Saskatchewan, all 306 public libraries are part of one large group
02:22 dcook I would think you'd be part of a consortium
02:21 dcook Hmm, is Swan River an independent public library?
02:21 * dcook apparently can't use commas correctly today
02:20 dcook As in, you're the IT team or you double as IT and library?
02:20 nwrl nope just i
02:20 dcook Do you have an IT team?
02:19 dcook I know people who know people from there
02:19 dcook Ah, right
02:19 nwrl Swan River
02:19 nwrl nope 5 hrs north
02:19 dcook So are you in Winnipeg?
02:19 nwrl hmmm
02:19 dcook Manitoba Education Library. That's the one I'm thinking.
02:19 dcook Also a good option
02:19 nwrl lot of pl's moving to evergreen
02:18 dcook They recently switched to Koha
02:18 dcook Yeah, I think I have a friend at the Ministry of Education in Manitoba
02:18 wizzyrea yeah I reckon not.
02:18 nwrl more and more L4U is not suiting Public lib's needs
02:17 nwrl but local school division uses l4u as well
02:17 nwrl were public
02:17 dcook nwrl: What sort of library is it?
02:17 dcook Long way from a small village in rural Saskatchewan, haha.
02:17 nwrl o wow
02:17 nwrl currently*
02:17 dcook Sydney, Australia
02:17 nwrl where you current reside?
02:16 nwrl really
02:16 dcook nwrl: Oh yeah? I'm originally from Saskatchewan :)
02:16 wizzyrea there are some special snowflake systems for schools
02:16 nwrl no manitoba
02:16 * dcook isn't so familiar with library software in schools
02:16 dcook Hmm, seems like it focuses on schools a lot..
02:16 wizzyrea just behind my stubbornness.
02:15 wizzyrea probably my least endearing quality ;)
02:15 dcook wizzyrea: It's part of why we know and love you ;)
02:15 wizzyrea sorry the snark keeps slipping out.
02:15 wizzyrea "Integrate with existing eBook subscriptions through MARC records" NO WAI!
02:15 dcook nwrl: Can you tell us more about your organization? Are you running Koha yourselves?
02:14 dcook I've worked in libraries in Canada since 2006, and I've never heard of this... I've also spent my entire life in libraries...
02:14 wizzyrea ooh, here's a selling feature "There are no confusing libraries or CGI scripts that must be loaded."
02:14 dcook "A strong customer focus since the very beginning has led to L4U Library Management Software delivering many industry firsts and winning numerous awards over the years."
02:13 wizzyrea sorry sorry, I shouldn't joke I'm sure it's a lovely catalogue.
02:13 eythian haha
02:13 wizzyrea lol.
02:13 wizzyrea OPAC (internet Public Access Catalog) uhhh
02:13 * dcook used to live in Vancouver
02:13 dcook Are you out in BC?
02:13 dcook Huh... that's interesting
02:13 nwrl kelowna bc
02:12 nwrl http://www.l4u.com/contact.php
02:12 dcook I thought I knew all the library options at this point :p
02:12 wizzyrea kekeke
02:12 * dcook is a western Canadian
02:12 dcook Is it an East coast thing?
02:11 wizzyrea ^ canadian
02:11 dcook L4U... hmm doesn't sound familiar at all
02:11 wizzyrea testing with a live disk is fine, come back again if you decide on Koha, we'll help you do it properly :)
02:11 nwrl you're better off ;)
02:10 wizzyrea not familiar with that one ^.^
02:10 nwrl L4U
02:10 nwrl canadian company
02:10 wizzyrea Ah. Which one?
02:08 nwrl our existing ils has poor z39 support, so looking at alternatives
02:04 wizzyrea thus I don't know much about how it works.
02:04 wizzyrea but I honestly have no idea, that's not a thing we advocate doing for production use.
02:04 wizzyrea probably /etc/koha/sites/<sitename>/koha-conf.xml
02:03 nwrl live install disk
02:03 nwrl extremely green
02:03 wizzyrea how did you install koha?
02:03 nwrl my issue is where the conf file is?
02:03 wizzyrea nwrl ^
02:03 wizzyrea z39.50 target is <reply> http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget
02:02 wizzyrea ^ this should be the canonical source imo.
02:02 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget
02:01 eythian Also, '--udp'?
02:01 eythian the netstat line in that wiki page totally doesn't do what it says.
02:01 wizzyrea it should be in the manual as well
02:01 wizzyrea http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-December/021752.html
02:00 nwrl http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server
02:00 wizzyrea yes, probably
02:00 nwrl rather make my koha install a z39 target?
02:00 wahanui eythian: sorry...
02:00 eythian wahanui: z3950
02:00 nwrl can someone steer in the right direction on how to make my koha setup a z39 target?
01:10 dcook Same with lspci :/
01:08 dcook Only differences are things like uuid and serial numbers
01:08 dcook Hmm lshw is pretty much identical
01:02 eythian actually, lshw might be better
01:01 eythian add -v to be more sure
01:01 eythian start by comparing the output of lspci
01:00 dcook eythian: I suppose. Hmm... I'm pretty sure it worked with a different monitor. Maybe I'll just check that quickly..
01:00 dcook wizzyrea: I thought about that too, but they've had the same updates :S
00:59 eythian or, the hardware isn't exactly the same
00:59 dcook But trying to find it..
00:59 wizzyrea updates on one but not the other?
00:59 dcook I figure that's the only thing that makes sense
00:59 eythian could just be weird corruption somewhere.
00:59 eythian hmm
00:59 dcook The software should be almost exactly the same on both and they're both using the same hardware
00:59 dcook Yeah, so nothing in the logs in that situation..
00:59 dcook Ah, right
00:58 dcook hmm?
00:58 eythian if it crashes before it can write to disk, it's crashed before it can write to disk
00:57 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah, I was scanning the logs but nothing popped out at me :(
00:57 dcook eythian: Yeah, the boss is thinking it's graphics hardware related
00:53 wizzyrea syslog might tell you though.
00:53 eythian something failing during the modeswitch on logout
00:52 eythian if I had to speculate, most likely graphics hardware related.
00:52 wizzyrea maybe it's trying to write something and the disk is full.
00:52 wizzyrea disk space?
00:48 dcook And I swore it was working earlier this week..
00:48 dcook The interwebs suggests using the kernel image from wheezy-backports, but seeing that it works on one box but not the other..
00:48 dcook :S
00:48 dcook And I have 2 identical boxes here... it works fine on one of them but doesn't on the other
00:48 dcook My Wheezy box at home works fine
00:48 dcook Fair enough
00:47 eythian Haven't heard of it, but I don't use it on the desktop
00:46 dcook Actually, on a side note, has anyone ever had a problem where Wheezy freezes when trying to logout via the desktop gui?
00:43 * dcook goes back to grumbling about tables in word documents which run off the page..
00:43 dcook Hmm, du coke appears to also refer to carbon..
00:42 dcook I think it's practical :)
00:42 dcook One being cocaine and the other coca-cola...
00:42 wizzyrea well this just got esoteric.
00:42 dcook Like asking for "de la coke" versus "du coke"
00:42 dcook Gendering of nouns also makes problems when you're not familiar with a language
00:42 * dcook tries to think if English has taken any of them on..
00:41 dcook Heaps of words that change meaning just with context
00:41 dcook French is totally like that though
00:41 wizzyrea people might get confused.
00:41 wizzyrea this is why you have to be careful ;)
00:40 * dcook just clicked the link
00:40 wizzyrea you should click it.
00:40 dcook O_O
00:40 dcook Is the answer beer and/or rugby?
00:40 dcook How to prepare a kiwi?
00:40 wizzyrea http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/2/16/13/how-to-prepare-a-kiwi-16649-1266343361-28.jpg
00:40 dcook Saskatoon berries can be called Saskatoons... :p
00:40 dcook I think we have some on the table at home
00:39 dcook I just don't talk about kiwifruit here in Australia, but my wife calls them kiwifruit
00:39 wizzyrea you are wrong. >.>
00:39 dcook Well, we say kiwi instead of kiwifruit in Canada
00:39 * dcook waves
00:39 eythian ^
00:39 wizzyrea kiwifruit is kiwifruit.
00:39 tcohen so, kiwi = eythian, kiwi = fruit, kiwi = bird
00:37 wizzyrea step 5 totally makes that.
00:36 tcohen possimpoble
00:36 wizzyrea awesibble
00:35 wizzyrea aweibble?
00:35 wizzyrea loool that's terriawesome
00:35 eythian http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/2/16/13/how-to-prepare-a-kiwi-16649-1266343361-28.jpg <-- wizzyrea
00:34 wizzyrea kiwifruit are good for you. Good for wee babes with, shall we say, backed up tummies.
00:33 tcohen vitamin c
00:33 wizzyrea (of course everyone else is wrong.)
00:33 * tcohen eats kiwi (the fruit)
00:33 wizzyrea https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Kiwi_aka.jpg these, are kiwi*fruit*, contrary to what everyone claims just about everywhere else.
00:33 tcohen they seem so, i'd like to meet them at least once in my lifetime
00:32 wizzyrea they are adorable though.
00:31 wizzyrea also I don't think these http://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Kiwi-Bird.jpg regularly frequent IRC.
00:30 tcohen not just people collecting berries in new zealand
00:30 tcohen wizzyrea: yeah, i'd include everyone in oceania actually
00:12 wahanui niihau, wizzyrea
00:12 wizzyrea hi
00:12 * wizzyrea takes that in the generalisation of "people who are currently in New Zealand" and says
00:07 tcohen hi kiwis :-D
00:07 tcohen well, i'll try to be around anyway :-P
00:07 tcohen night everyone