Time Nick Message 00:00 rangi ghent isnt that far from marseille 00:00 rangi (in the scheme of things hehe) 00:00 eythian MARC converts to JSON and embeds some JSON-MARC (to coin a standard), which then gets converted back to MARC on searching for display 00:00 eythian this is mostly so it fits in with the existing framework. 00:01 tcohen does catmandu provide the bridge back to Koha from ES? 00:01 eythian I think less so 00:01 eythian can't remember if we use it at all for that or not 00:01 tcohen i'll be back to argentina by 9th? 00:01 rangi ah bummer 00:02 rangi we dont currently 00:02 rangi currently we are doing the same workflow as with zebra, export index, search, get full record from database 00:02 rangi however 00:03 rangi as elasticsearch hands back json .. we could switch to quite a different search/display in the next phase 00:03 rangi even something like using angularjs to display results .. ajax search 00:04 tcohen yeah, was just thinking about that 00:04 rangi but for now, we want something that works pretty much the same as zebra 00:04 rangi so we can test it 00:04 rangi and then we can move forward 00:04 rangi if that makes sense? 00:04 tcohen it makes alot of sense 00:04 tcohen the only problem might be policy 00:04 tcohen about what to show/hide 00:05 rangi *nod* 00:05 tcohen that might put Koha in the middlle 00:05 eythian also working this way it's possible to switch out implementations fairly cleanly 00:05 rangi or make that be an index 00:05 rangi theres options :) 00:06 eythian for policy you'd put a filter in 00:06 rangi its a shame we cant make it to the hackfest 00:06 eythian so you'd have "and somethingsomething must-not equal 1", and the query would work within the results of that. 00:06 eythian (OpacSupression currently not implemented, as it's done in a really bad way in zebra.) 00:07 tcohen eythian: i was thinking about the frameworks 00:07 tcohen and per-branch authorized va 00:07 tcohen lues 00:07 eythian oh, well right now what works just like zebra I think 00:07 eythian i.e. it's all done after the fact. 00:08 rangi yep, thats a in the future thing 00:08 rangi /svc/authorised_values/ccode/FISH 00:08 rangi etc 00:08 rangi that would be a super simple service to write :) 00:08 dcook tcohen: I was thinking about that a bit even with Zebra... I think the frameworks might need to be refined some more? 00:08 rangi maybe ill save that for next students 00:09 dcook As sometimes you'll want to export the full record and sometimes you don't... 00:09 rangi an authorised values service 00:09 rangi for opac and staff 00:13 tcohen dcook: don't know what are you talking about 00:14 tcohen eythian: for some stuff we should be doing some stuff on indexing-time 00:14 tcohen rangi: I agree 00:14 dcook tcohen: Oh well, it probably doesn't matter. 00:15 * dcook got cooked this morning by a server 00:15 dcook A/C didn't turn on due to a bad hub... so my brain might still be scrambled 00:15 dcook Or is it poached? 00:16 tcohen dcook: my condolencies 00:16 dcook thanks ;) 00:16 tcohen (for the server) 00:24 wizzyrea poaching is a pretty gentle cooking method. 00:25 wizzyrea was there warm-ish oil or water involved? because otherwise you're baked or broiled #cookingpedant 00:27 wizzyrea oh. I should check master but I think if you don't want opaccustomsearch to nuke your search box even if empty, you have to enter "NULL" in it 00:27 wizzyrea just leaving that here. 00:27 wizzyrea for no real good reason except "ugh annoy" 00:30 tcohen wizzyrea: fill a bug? please :-D 00:31 wizzyrea yeah probably will do once I've checked that actually happens on master :) 00:31 wizzyrea unless you just did and can confirm (which btw I'm not asking you to) 00:38 dcook opaccustomsearch? 00:38 dcook Yeah, probably baked 00:39 eythian rats 00:40 eythian I wanted to know what tcohen thought we should be doing at indexing time 00:51 wizzyrea it probably had something to do with unicorn giraffes. 00:51 wizzyrea yes, I do get a little more random every day. 00:52 eythian no, that was quite deterministic. Also, they're not giraffes, they're long horses. 00:52 wizzyrea hehehe 00:56 eythian https://twitter.com/MattNippert/status/567111339366047744 00:58 wizzyrea haha 01:26 eythian new master packages uploading 02:01 jcamins cait? 02:01 wahanui somebody said cait was happy about some example opacs :) 02:01 jcamins cait? 02:01 wahanui i think cait is regretting a bit that we didn't offer this as an option first... or on a test system for people to see 02:01 jcamins cait? 02:01 wahanui cait is lookign forward to the API discussion 02:01 jcamins cait? 02:01 wahanui somebody said cait was very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion. 02:01 jcamins cait? 02:01 wahanui i guess cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. 02:01 jcamins cait? 02:01 wahanui cait is very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion. 02:03 eythian look what you did jcamins 02:19 dcook hehe 02:19 dcook "activate berr reporting" 02:19 dcook I read that as "activate beer reporting" 02:19 * dcook was rather happy for a second there 04:29 dcook Hmm, I didn't know that "sort" had a "-h" switch 04:29 dcook That's rad 06:13 cait hi #koha 06:36 * magnuse waves 07:39 reiveune hello 07:39 wahanui hi, reiveune 08:03 alex_a bonjour 08:03 marcelr hi #koha 08:06 Joubu hello 08:07 magnuse bonjour france! 08:08 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 7.2°C (9:07 AM CET on February 16, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 08:08 magnuse @wunder boo 08:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 08:08 magnuse above 0? i don't think so 08:13 gaetan_B hello 08:17 drojf hi #koha 08:39 magnuse moin drojf 08:40 drojf hei magnuse 09:08 magnuse bonjour paul_p 09:09 magnuse just 2 weeks now... :-) 09:28 * ashimema is seeing delays on his passport renewal.. that puts Marseilles in jeopardy for him :( 09:29 Joubu ashimema: that's not a good news! 09:30 ashimema no.. it's rather annoying.. 09:30 ashimema I'm wondering if it doesn't come through in time how I can partake remotely. 09:34 magnuse ashimema: can't you get a temporary passport? 09:35 * magnuse has been to marseille 3 times without showing a passport 09:37 Joubu magnuse: UK is not in the schengen area... 09:37 ashimema what Joubu said 09:38 ashimema we don't have ID cards in the UK so we need a passport even for europe.. I could wing it on a ferry, but flights tend to be allot more strict in my experience. 09:38 ashimema can't believe I forgot it needed renewing.. 10 years is a long gap between renewals I suppose 09:40 drojf what about the temporary passport option magnuse proposed? it's common in germany too. 09:40 drojf i had to do it once when they found my passport was out of date while i tried to leave the country :/ 09:41 magnuse ah, guess being outside schengen changes things, yeah 09:41 magnuse fun fun fun 09:41 magnuse yay me - first signoff of the year (waaay too late, i know) 09:43 drojf there should be some kind of video conferencing at the hackfest anyway ^^ 09:46 ashimema indeed 10:06 magnuse we should try and make it a week of intense qa work for everyone involved, not just the ones that can go to marseille, in my opinion 10:06 magnuse hiya irma 10:07 irma Bonjour/bonsoir magnuse :-) 10:08 irma magnuse Is Marseilles on your agenda this year? 10:08 magnuse irma: yes it is! 10:08 magnuse really starting to look forward to it now 10:08 irma Quelle chance! 10:08 irma magnuse your French must be improving too ... 10:08 magnuse lol 10:09 magnuse from 0.0 to 0.00001 10:09 irma version control? ah ... version progress ...nice and steady, I see :-) 10:09 magnuse yeah 10:10 magnuse i have survived 10:10 irma We were in Europe in December so can't make it back to the old continent in March $$ 10:10 magnuse managed to buy food, groceries, pain au chocolate... 10:10 magnuse oh, and you didn't drop by me? :-( 10:10 magnuse ;-) 10:11 irma :-( tried but hum ... missed the train heading north from Frankfurt 10:12 magnuse oh noes :-) 10:13 drojf don't know if it is an option for people in marseille but i have a webinar server that could use some testing. it's not capable of hosting a gazillion clients, but i suppose it would work for streaming talks to a few people in here that want to take part 10:15 ashimema :) 10:21 Joubu Cheeses cannot be tasted/smelt by streaming... 10:22 drojf Joubu: i'm very thankful for that :D 10:41 magnuse cheese! 10:41 wahanui hmmm... cheese is delicious, but cait just had butter. 10:48 drojf magnuse: you can have it all :) 10:50 cait hi #koha 10:52 magnuse thanks drojf :-) 10:52 magnuse kia ora cait 10:54 magnuse every time i say "kia ora" i am reminded of the roadtrip from bucklame to wellington - happy times! 10:54 cait yep :) 10:55 cait it was great 11:12 cait cya #koha 11:26 paul_p for the 1st time it seems we will have someone from (north) africa at the "hackfest in Europe" 11:28 drojf nice 11:28 paul_p casablanca university, using Koha 3.16 11:45 drojf later #koha 12:25 Joubu kivilahtio: could you please have a look at bug 13540? 12:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13540 critical, P2, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Failed QA , Item's permanent_location is set to CART|PROC if an Item is edited when it's location is CART|PROC. 12:25 kivilahtio Joubu: ok 12:26 Joubu khall: could you please have a look at bug 10382? 12:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10382 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , collection not returning to null when removed from course reserves 12:53 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:54 tcohen hola magnuse 12:54 tcohen its carnival holiday here 12:54 tcohen so, preparing for marseille :-D 13:01 magnuse tcohen: sounds good! :-) 13:01 magnuse @wunder marseille 13:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 12.7°C (1:49 PM CET on February 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 13:02 magnuse bring warm clothes :-) 13:02 tcohen brrrrrr 13:03 tcohen gotta run 13:03 tcohen later #koha 13:29 vtk i am trying to convert excel data into marc but for one title if multiple items are there those many bibliographic records are generated. What is required to attach all items in one bibliographic record while mapping data from excel in deliminted text wizard 13:40 magnuse vtk: which tool are you using? marcedit? 13:40 magnuse the trick is that you need to have one 952-field per item 13:44 vtk i wish to know in my excel sheet for the same title if i have more than one barcode where should that barcode be in my excel sheet 13:45 vtk and it should be mapped how while using in delimited text wizard 13:53 magnuse vtk: what do you mean by "delimited text wizard"? 13:54 vtk sorry delimited text converter 14:11 magnuse vtk: is that a thing in marcedit or something else? 14:12 vtk yes in marcedit Delimited Text 14:12 vtk where we can add source file as excel file 14:13 vtk and then map each column to marc tag and convert that excel data to marc file 14:17 drojf that is probably a question for something like a marcedit forum. i don't think people here use it much 14:18 vtk oh ok 14:18 drojf there seems to be a mailing list for marcedit marcedit.reeset.net/help 14:19 drojf http://marcedit.reeset.net/help 14:20 vtk ok tx 14:20 vtk also one more query i have abt publisher authority 14:21 vtk when i try to add publisher in authority in which tag nos in authority i should enter name of publisher, place and address of publisher 14:21 drojf getting something to eat, later #koha 14:35 ashimema_ question.. where does robots.txt live in packages? 15:02 magnuse ashimema_: /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/robots.txt 15:02 ashimema_ I found it ;) 15:02 ashimema_ but thanks anyways :) 15:02 magnuse so did "locate robots.txt" :-) 15:06 * magnuse prepares to go outside and get sushi 15:19 cait hi #koha 15:22 drojf hi cait 15:25 cait at the hotel now 15:25 cait i only got a little bit lost :) 15:26 drojf sounds good 15:45 talljoy good morning #koha 16:01 cait hi talljoy 16:01 talljoy hiya cait! 16:03 reiveune souebye 16:19 chris_n @wunder raliegh 16:19 huginn chris_n: Error: No such location could be found. 16:19 chris_n LOL 16:19 chris_n @wunder raleigh 16:19 huginn chris_n: Error: No such location could be found. 16:19 chris_n wow 16:19 chris_n @wunder 28334 16:19 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in C and L Farms, Dunn, North Carolina is -2.0°C (11:10 AM EST on February 16, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to noon EST Tuesday... 16:20 * chris_n was beginning to wonder if his curren location was non-existent.... 16:20 cait @wunder Berlin 16:20 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 16:20 cait @wunder Berlin, Germany 16:20 huginn cait: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 1.0°C (4:50 PM CET on February 16, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 16:20 chris_n @wunder raleigh, nc 16:20 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Five Points - The Circle, Raleigh, North Carolina is -4.3°C (11:19 AM EST on February 16, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 9 am EST Tuesday... 16:20 * chris_n passes cait a cookie 16:25 cait thx :) 16:25 cait can someone help me out? thought we were workingon a batch patron delete 16:26 cait khall: batch deleting patrons form the gui... do you remember if we have a bug for this? thought there was one related to patron lists... but not sure now 16:31 Joubu cait: bug 10612 16:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool 16:32 Joubu @later tell cait bug 10612 16:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 19:40 * magnuse waves 20:04 tcohen hi 20:04 wahanui hello, tcohen 20:14 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 20:24 magnuse @later tell rangi did you get my patch for koha-kudos? 20:24 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 20:25 rangi hmm did you do you do a merge request? 20:26 rangi ill check in a second 20:28 magnuse rangi: i did a git-send-email to you bigballofwax email 20:28 magnuse but it's been a long time since i did that, so things might not be set up properly,,, 20:30 rangi ahh ill check 20:32 rangi nope not that i can see 20:36 rangi if you do a merge request in gitorious .. that should work .. if thats possible for you? 20:41 magnuse working on it now :-) 20:42 magnuse rangi: there 20:42 rangi yep that emailed me too 20:46 rangi its quite easy to deal with too 20:46 rangi for this you just do 20:46 rangi git pull origin refs/merge-requests/1 20:47 rangi and done 20:47 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 20:47 wahanui http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise 20:47 rangi hows that now? 20:48 wizzyrea wow look at that - fancy!~ 20:48 magnuse rangi: deichmanske is better - libriotech is sadly missing (yet) ;-) 20:49 magnuse kia ora Viktor 20:49 rangi heh yeah it can't create patches for ya :-) 20:49 Viktor kia ora magnuse 20:49 magnuse hm, maybe i can do a patch for that ;-) 20:50 rangi you hackfesters 20:50 rangi should check this out 20:50 rangi http://dp.la/info/2015/02/11/dpla-releases-krikri-0-1-3/ 20:51 rangi actually oslo should check that out 20:52 magnuse Banca D'Italia - how cool is that! 20:52 rangi its pretty cool eh 20:52 rangi the reserve bank of nz run koha too 20:52 rangi thats 2 central banks that i know of 20:53 magnuse yay 20:53 rangi im working on getting hannah from rbnz to sign off a patch 20:53 magnuse they could just print us some money when the stuff from ebsco runs out ;-) 20:54 magnuse @later tell akafred seen http://dp.la/info/2015/02/11/dpla-releases-krikri-0-1-3/ ? 20:54 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 21:03 * magnuse is running out of battery - have fun #koha! 21:05 rangi cya magnuse 21:20 andreashm hi #koha 21:21 rangi hi andreashm 21:22 * cait waves 21:22 Viktor Hi andreashm 21:23 andreashm reading up on the irc log from today. interesting stuff about ES. 21:26 rangi you can test it now if you want :) 21:26 andreashm oh, cool 21:28 eythian hi 21:28 andreashm rangi: how, where? 21:29 rangi do you have a dev install up and running? you can apply the patches on bug 12478, joubu has written some notes on there too 21:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha 21:30 eythian the patches are a bit out of date, better is to use the Catalyst repo 21:31 andreashm sorry, our dev isn't up yet (I think). 21:31 andreashm guess I'll have to wait for the hackfest 21:33 cait alater tell Joubu thx! 21:33 cait @later tell Joubu - thx! 21:33 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 22:33 dcook eythian: What's the intensive part of using ElasticSearch? 22:33 dcook Perl dependencies? 22:33 * dcook is pondering how it might work in a non-Debian based system 22:33 eythian what do you mean by intensive? 22:33 dcook Good question 22:33 dcook You mentioned how you couldn't really install it on any current stable systems, yeah? 22:33 dcook That it would only work on Jessie and maybe a newer Ubuntu? 22:33 dcook Well, not ES, but the Catmandu stuff 22:34 eythian oh yeah 22:34 eythian the dependencies are complicated and it's dealing with quite new libraries. 22:34 eythian I did get it going on the non-LTS current ubuntu 22:34 eythian but, jessie will be a lot easier in general 22:35 dcook Might be good incentive to move over to Debian, I suppose.. 22:36 eythian yeah. You could probably get them all with cpan without too much difficulty, but I prefer having OS packages. 22:36 dcook Yeah, I like OS packages too 22:37 dcook There was something I had to package the other day... 22:37 dcook Oh, it was for a local customization 22:38 dcook I suppose I could've used CPAN for that, but... I figure there's more control packaging it yourself as well 22:38 dcook Or if a new version does come up in the Debian repo.. 22:38 dcook Or could upstream it, or... 22:40 eythian I think I lost track of what you were saying half way through :) 22:43 dcook I certainly would have 22:43 dcook Maybe I did 22:43 dcook It's warm in here 22:44 cait is your brain still broiled? 22:44 cait sorry, read back in the logs erarlier :) 22:44 dcook I think so! 22:44 cait ineresting cooking discussion :) 22:44 dcook You must be reading a lot of logs! 22:44 cait mine is frozen 22:44 cait or what do you call what happens to frozen food? 22:45 cait nah, not regularly 22:49 cait wizzyrea: around? 22:50 eythian cait: I think she's lunching 22:51 dcook I am so confused 22:51 dcook Oh, your brain 22:51 dcook I thought you meant your logs were frozen 22:51 dcook Yes, my brain must be broiled... or boiled... or baked... 22:52 * dcook just had breakfast and is so ready for lunch now 22:52 cait eythian: ah too bad 22:53 cait someone else can explain the difference between holds to pull and holds queue for a single banch library? 22:53 cait hm i think i see it 22:54 cait or no, still confused:) 23:00 cait hm and the paging on the holds to pull one is broken 23:00 * cait will file a bug later 23:02 eythian I think it's always been confusing. 23:02 eythian It really needs some clarification, better naming, whatever. 23:03 cait some style work too 23:04 eythian well, probably a redesign so that they have the same UI but more clarity about the difference between them, or something along those lines. 23:11 dcook Holds to pull is for materials that need to be pulled and held aside for patrons 23:11 dcook Holds queue... 23:11 wahanui i think holds queue is to do with that table 23:11 dcook No idea 23:12 dcook It might list all holds? 23:12 dcook Even ones that aren't ready to pull? 23:13 dcook I suppose a minute or two and I might be able to tell you.. 23:13 dcook Hmm, I'm definitely wrong about that 23:14 dcook "Holds queue: This report will show you all of the holds at your library." 23:14 dcook :S 23:19 dcook cait: holds queue shows what's in `tmp_holdsqueue` 23:19 dcook Which depends on C4::HoldsQueue::CreateQueue 23:19 dcook Which... 23:19 wahanui it has been said that which is why it is strange that it BROKE... after upgrading like that. 23:20 dcook Seems like a rather convoluted process 23:21 cait heh 23:21 cait i am wondering if there is a main difference if you are a single branch... 23:22 cait i think the built one is more if there are multiple items that could fill the hold in multiple branches? 23:22 cait helping to pick the library that has to? 23:26 dcook Mmm 23:28 dcook There may be no purpose for a single branch? 23:30 dcook I'm looking at a multibranch library.. 23:30 dcook Hmm, it seems right according to Koha, but it looks weird.. 23:31 dcook Dunno, other things to do, alas 23:38 cait thx :) 23:38 cait time here to sleep n- night all 23:50 wizzyrea gah, cait are you still here? 23:50 wizzyrea cuz I'm back now >.< 23:50 wizzyrea the holds queue assigns an item to a reserve 23:51 wizzyrea I just wrote an explanation of this not long ago, let me see if I can find it 23:52 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "holds to pull vs. reserve queue" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/433 23:53 eythian see, they really need to be combined into one sane interface 23:54 wizzyrea yeah, they do. Reserves queue does some fancy-ish mapping of items to reserves 23:54 wizzyrea it can do stuff like weighting near branches higher, deals with local hold item types 23:54 wizzyrea holds to pull just vomits out everything and expects the human to deal with it 23:55 wizzyrea for a single branch, the reserve queue doesn't make a lot of sense 23:55 wizzyrea except that it is much more succinct than holds to pull.