Time  Nick          Message
00:21 eythian       https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.playdead.limbo.full <-- I played this when it came out on Linux. It's a great game, and worth the price.
00:23 rangi         https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nz.co.littlemonkey.kura&hl=en  <-- fun too
00:54 eythian       http://www.infoworld.com/article/2882300/perl/perl-creator-larry-wall-rethought-version-6-due-this-year.html
00:57 mtompset      I guess this a good sign to quit.
00:57 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha.
00:59 tcohen        eythian: YAY
01:00 rangi         i started rewrting my counting script for patches and signoffs in perl6 .. works pretty well
01:00 eythian       rangi: rakudo?
01:00 rangi         but there is no perltidy for perl6 yet .
01:00 rangi         i installed it from git
01:00 eythian       also, are there any particularly good getting started tutorials?
01:00 rangi         and built 3 different ones
01:01 rangi         rakudo, moar (or something like that) and jvm
01:01 rangi         so i can do perl6-r is rakudo etc
01:01 rangi         its fun to see how it performs on each
01:01 eythian       ah yep
01:01 rangi         http://perl6.org/getting-started/  is what i used
01:02 rangi         getting panda installed early will save you hassles too
01:02 rangi         makes installing modules a ton easier
01:03 * dcook       isn't even sure what Perl 6 is anymore...
01:05 rangi         eythian: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rakudo
01:05 rangi         for even easier
01:06 eythian       yeah, found that
01:06 rangi         http://modules.perl6.org/
01:06 rangi         happily all the modules i needed
01:06 rangi         Git::Wrapper and JSON
01:07 eythian       raduko actually has a proper REPL. That's a pleasant change.
01:07 rangi         are written in perl6 already
01:07 tcohen        night
01:07 rangi         night tcohen
01:07 eythian       bye
01:08 * tcohen      will try p6 probably, tonight heh
01:08 rangi         also it makes it really really really hard for you to screw up encoding
01:08 rangi         which is great
01:08 eythian       yeah
01:09 eythian       that'll be a nice change
01:09 eythian       oh, <a b c> == qw(a b c), I like that
01:09 rangi         yeah
01:10 mtj           i've been lurking on the freenode #perl6 chan for that last year(ish) - its very interesting stuff
01:10 rangi         https://github.com/perlpilot/p6-Git-Wrapper/
01:10 mtj           and ..hi :)
01:10 rangi         i like that for loop at the bottom
01:10 eythian       yeah, a cleaner foreach
01:11 rangi         dont perltidy it tho :) thats the mistake i made
01:11 rangi         it tries to make it @log->$1
01:11 rangi         which perl6 hates
01:11 rangi         also @array[0] not $array[0]
01:11 mtj           rangi: great to hear of your p6 forays :)
01:12 rangi         tripped me up at least once
01:12 rangi         however you do get good error messages
01:12 eythian       like this:
01:12 eythian       Bogus statement
01:12 eythian       at <unknown file>:2
01:12 eythian       ------> <BOL>⏏<EOL>
01:13 eythian       I don't even know what that thing is :)
01:13 rangi         heh
01:14 mtj           hmm... its the 'eject doovde' symbol?
01:16 eythian       http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/perl6/ <-- that covers a lot of stuff fairly quickly
01:17 eythian       and apparently undef has become "Any"...that's weird.
01:18 dcook         http://faq.perl6.org/ is sure interesting...
01:21 dcook         Support at the gym?
01:22 dcook         That's what I call service :)
01:22 dcook         bbiab
02:45 mtj           ooh -> http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2015/02/11/koha-receives-massive-support-ebsco-enhancements-its-web-based-open-source-ils
03:31 bag           ;)
03:33 wizzyrea      such excite.
03:33 dcook         ...well... I didn't know my arrival would be greated so well :p
03:33 * dcook       is going to leave and come back again
03:43 dcook         Hmm, less excitement this time :(
05:34 mtj           "…EBSCO offers free worldwide access to five databases, available at http://www.LibraryResearch.com."
05:34 mtj           i didnt know that ^
05:57 bag           cool
05:58 bag           so can I get a needs sign off search in bugzilla - but don’t show me any bugs that need signoff that have a dependant bug too
06:47 bag           wow watching live die repeat - and it’s pretty good
06:56 * magnuse     waves
06:59 bag           hey magnuse
06:59 wahanui1      rumour has it magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza
06:59 bag           ouch
07:00 magnuse       :-)
07:01 magnuse       wow, how about that announcement!
07:04 bag           yeah pretty cool
07:04 bag           [off] one of those - I’ve been wanting to jump up and down for a bit now (but couldn’t)
07:05 magnuse       hehe
07:05 * magnuse     is curious about "MARC to RDF crosswalk enhancing capability of linking to online data repositories (linked data)"
07:05 * bag         too
07:06 bag           [off] that’s more marketing speak than actually deliverable stuff
07:06 magnuse       [off] heh, okay
07:06 bag           perhaps just MARC to RDF crosswalk
07:07 magnuse       [off] guess i still should convince myself to work on semantikoha in my lunchbreaks instead of watching big bang theory, then...
07:07 bag           which you’re working on right magnuse?
07:07 magnuse       um, i was
07:07 bag           [off] yuppers
07:08 magnuse       but i havn't done anything about it in a while
07:08 bag           ah
07:08 bag           we shall talk in France :)
07:08 magnuse       to get any real benefit from rdf we need a triplestore connected to koha, not just "save as rdf"
07:08 magnuse       yeah, maybe i should spend some time in marseille working on my semantic stuff
07:08 magnuse       gah, but i want to sign off patches too...
07:09 bag           sign off!!!
07:09 wahanui1      sign off is, like, a good way to learn a lot about koha  :-)
07:09 magnuse       so true wahanui1
07:09 bag           but we can have an espresso and talk semantically about espresso
07:09 magnuse       183 nso now...
07:10 magnuse       if i can have something other than coffee, sure
07:10 bag           ah - good goal of hackfest - lets get that below 80 :)
07:10 magnuse       that would be super awesome
07:10 bag           1 a day for 20 people
07:11 magnuse       true
07:11 magnuse       and we can do more than 1 a day
07:11 bag           we have almost 40 people
07:11 bag           .5 a day for 20 people
07:11 bag           :P
07:12 magnuse       hehe
07:12 magnuse       if you add up failed qa + in discussion + patch does not apply you get another scary number...
07:15 bag           too late at night for that number
07:16 magnuse       yeah, don't want you having nightmares
07:21 magnuse       from the horse's mouth: http://www.ebscohost.com/newsroom/stories/koha-receives-massive-support-from-ebsco-for-enhancements
07:32 bag           hola matts
07:33 bag           OR
07:33 bag           hey matts
07:33 matts         hello bag !
07:36 reiveune      hello
07:39 marcelr       hi #koha
07:59 magnuse       @wunder marseille
07:59 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 4.1°C (8:59 AM CET on February 12, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
08:00 magnuse       @wunder boo
08:00 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 12, 2015). Conditions: Heavy Snow Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Rising).
08:03 alex_a        bonjour
08:23 cait          hi #koha
08:26 Joubu         hi #koha, cait
08:26 Joubu         hi magnuse, marcelr too :)
08:26 cait          hi Joubu and marcelr
08:27 marcelr       hi cait Joubu magnuse alex_a
08:28 magnuse       y'all seen http://www.ebscohost.com/newsroom/stories/koha-receives-massive-support-from-ebsco-for-enhancements yet?
08:31 Joubu         " The Koha community is excited to have their involvement and strong support."
08:31 Joubu         ha?
08:31 Joubu         who is the Koha community? :)
08:32 magnuse       well, i guess the partners in the agreement is part of the community...
08:32 magnuse       but yeah...
08:33 Joubu         Maybe there was an annoucement yesterday during the general irc meeting
08:36 cait          guess it's marketing speak
08:36 cait          but yeah, could be better phrased
08:38 Joubu         ByWater and Catalyst are in it, so bag and rangi are certainly awake of that :)
08:39 rangi         its marketing
08:39 cait          also gruppo italiano
08:40 rangi         ebsco spin it the way they want to spin it
08:40 rangi         https://twitter.com/kohagruppoit/status/565548366076338177
08:40 cait          it sounds like the ES work in marketing speak mostly?
08:40 magnuse       "Koha Gruppo Italiano has received a massive grant by EBSCO Publishing to integrate the @elasticsearch tool into Koha. "
08:40 magnuse       i hope that is the work eythian has been doing?
08:41 rangi         yep
08:41 magnuse       phew
08:41 rangi         AARome and Bywater have been funding that
08:41 magnuse       but it was not fully funded?
08:41 rangi         nothing has really changed, just the money goes from ebsco to aarome then on now
08:41 magnuse       cool
08:42 rangi         the bits ebsco wants are some more hooks in svc/ stuff
08:43 rangi         but what it means is a massive 5700 employee compnay that has a presence at pretty much ever library conference ever, is publically endorsing koha
08:43 rangi         that's worth more than any many
08:43 liw           \o/ \o/
08:44 rangi         s/many/money/
08:44 magnuse       yup, that is pretty cool
08:45 magnuse       as long as it's not an exclusive deal in any way, of course
08:45 rangi         naw
08:45 rangi         its a grant
08:45 rangi         i havent signed a thing
08:45 magnuse       :-)
08:45 rangi         and it'll all be gplv3
08:47 magnuse       yay for that! :-)
08:50 mofad         hai
08:50 Joubu         ho, an email on the koha ml, I didn't see it yet
08:51 rangi         that was just a cut and paste by someone
08:52 mofad         during koha installation, error appear no valid OpenGPG data found
08:52 mofad         can i get the correct link for gpg?
08:53 rangi         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Everyone
09:01 kivilahtio    rangi: so what does this EBSCO mean in practice?
09:01 kivilahtio    rangi: accelerated development for eythian working on ElasticSearch?
09:02 rangi         not really, cant really work much faster
09:02 rangi         just means libraries dont have to fund it
09:04 mofad         still appear same command
09:04 mofad         gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found
09:07 rangi         how are you trying to install?
09:08 mofad         i,m using this step http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
09:10 rangi         and you definitely did the add key bit, and ran the apt-get update again?
09:10 magnuse       something weird going on, when i try to do "$ wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -" it stops at 60 or 80%
09:11 rangi         interesting
09:11 wahanui1      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:11 mofad         i follow every single step
09:12 rangi         works for me
09:12 rangi         magnuse: wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc
09:12 rangi         magnuse: does that work?
09:13 magnuse       rangi: yup, that works
09:15 magnuse       "wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc" works, writing the key to the screen
09:16 magnuse       when i add " | sudo apt-key add -" it stops at somewhere between 60 and 80%
09:16 rangi         right maybe do
09:16 rangi         wget http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc
09:17 rangi         then cat gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -
09:17 rangi         or sudo apt-key add gpg.asc even
09:28 drojf         hi #koha
09:28 rangi         hi drojf
09:28 magnuse       rangi: that works for me, too bad mofad left...
09:29 drojf         hi rangi and magnuse
09:36 magnuse       moin drojf
09:44 cait          magnuse: did you solve your staging problem yet?
09:44 cait          maybe it's something in the configuration
09:44 cait          like the aggressive isbn match?
09:45 cait          are you mathing the data on somethong on import?
10:01 Joubu         cait: about SQLHelper (you talked about it yesterday), when bugs 12648 and 13021 will be pushed (there are PQA), bug 11385 will continue its way and will be completely removed :)
10:01 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , C4::SQLHelper should be removed
10:01 Joubu         It's almost done!
10:02 cait          sounds like a nice good goal for marseille
10:02 cait          because almost done :)
10:03 cait          the other i was thnking about was CGI::scrolling_list
10:03 cait          bug 766
10:03 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=766 major, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, ASSIGNED , Omnibus: Use of CGI::scrolling_list prevents customization in template
10:03 cait          the oldest
10:03 Joubu         yep, much more tricky
10:03 cait          but not so much left
10:04 cait          mostly acquisition stats and issues_avg_stats
10:11 cait          Joubu: killing the oldest bug would be nice, but I see it needs patches
10:12 Joubu         cait: which ones?
10:12 wahanui1      which ones are lighztning talks?
10:12 cait          that is cgi-scrolling list :)
10:12 cait          currently the oldest :)
10:12 Joubu         ha yep
10:42 magnuse       cait: nope, no solution for staging yet. i will look at "aggressive isbn matching" though!
10:52 magnuse       kia ora ashimema_!
10:53 kivilahtio    Is there a script to update changes in biblioitems, which are mapped to MARC records?
10:54 cait          Joubu: for usggestons - there is a bug if you have the same title already in your database
10:54 kivilahtio    batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl updates biblio and biblioitems tables from MARC Records, but I need to opposite functionalitY?
10:54 cait          bug 10752
10:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10752 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Impossible to add 2 identical suggestions, but without any explanation
10:54 cait          maybe that's what you saw on the other bug, but not sure
10:55 Joubu         cait: not really, the title field should be mandatory if the pref is empty, but it's not
10:55 Joubu         nothing is mandatory is it's empty
10:58 cait          aah
10:58 cait          ok
11:04 cait          2 bugs then :)
11:47 cait          has someone seen weird behavioru with the browse feature in opac? (previous, next, back to result list?)
11:56 cait          culd someone try a search for de and en on master and see if they get the browsing controls? for de previous i/next is always greyed out here
13:09 cait          hm gotanother one...
13:09 cait          does the item search work in non-english for someone?
13:10 cait          morning tcohen
13:10 tcohen        morning
13:20 magnuse       cait: what do you mean by item search?
13:21 cait          the new item search form
13:21 cait          that you can get to from advanced search
13:21 cait          could you test if it works for you translated?
13:22 cait          i get a js error in jquery js - not helping much
13:45 magnuse       ah found it
13:47 magnuse       i can't set nb-NO as the language - probably a problem with my dev install
13:50 magnuse       cait: seems to work ok in swedish
13:52 magnuse       cait: and in norwegian
13:52 cait          :(
13:52 magnuse       cait: when do you get the error? dislpaying the search form or the results?
13:52 cait          could you try german?
13:52 cait          yeah it just keeps processing
13:52 magnuse       what does the "Net" tab in firebug say?
13:53 cait          i tried a search for 'all' not changing any option
13:54 cait          hm it appears to finish
13:54 cait          but nothing displays
13:54 cait          i think maybe it's a datatable hting
13:54 magnuse       Lädt...
13:55 cait          yeah
13:55 cait          any idea?
13:55 cait          i wanted to train this :(
13:56 magnuse       Looks like the data/hits/items are getting returned ok
13:56 magnuse       so there must be something that stops jquery/datatables from putting the data into the right slots or something
13:57 cait          yeah
13:57 cait          i have tried to see where a translation coudl have slipped in but failed
14:00 magnuse       i seem to remember something similar for swedish, where the problem was escaped quotes: \" or \\"
14:01 cait          hm strange
14:01 cait          i am missing   <span>All libraries</span> in the translated template
14:01 cait          the whole tag
14:01 cait          coudl you check if it's there in norwegian?
14:01 cait          also all locations
14:03 cait          when you open the page in english, the preselected options have text
14:03 cait          "all itemtypes" and so on
14:03 cait          but it doesn't happen for German
14:04 magnuse       true
14:05 magnuse       but the value is "" for all languages, so i don't *think* that should matter
14:06 magnuse       german: <option selected="selected" value=""> </option>
14:06 magnuse       swedish: <option selected="selected" value=""> Alla bibliotek </option>
14:06 cait          yeah but it's werid!
14:07 magnuse       yup
14:08 cait          http://translate.koha-community.org/de/318/translate/#search=All%20collection%20codes&sfields=source,target&soptions=exact&unit=13001577
14:09 cait          it got cpied but not corrected i think
14:09 cait          i will try if that fixes it
14:10 * magnuse     crosses fingers
14:11 cait          have to wait for the coworker - but thx for testing!!
14:12 magnuse       np
14:16 cait          magnuse++
14:19 * Oak         waves
14:19 Oak           magnuse
14:19 Oak           hello cait!
14:20 magnuse       Oak
14:22 tcohen        @later tell rangi we need to change es.koha-community.org -> 200.16.16.139, please?
14:22 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:26 magnuse       kia ora oleonard
14:27 oleonard      Hi
14:27 wahanui1      bidet, oleonard
14:28 tcohen        hi oleonard
14:45 * magnuse     wanders off
14:53 tcohen        hi magnuse
15:13 cait          magnuse: fixed the display problem - but it still doesn't work :(
15:30 Joubu         khall: I am waiting for an answer from you on bug 12933 ;)
15:30 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12933 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to print overdue slip from staff intranet
15:34 khall         Joubu: so I'm thinking you'd rather have that data fetched at the .pl level than at the .tt level?
15:35 Joubu         khall: I really would prefer to see it fetch in only 1 place
15:35 Joubu         but at the moment, we cannot
15:35 Joubu         khall: I don't see the point of the plugin you introduced
15:36 khall         I agree completely.
15:36 Joubu         if we start to do that, the plugin will be a mess
15:36 khall         Joubu: You have a good point. I'll submit a followup to get rid of the plugin
15:37 Joubu         khall: maybe prefer to edit the previous patch, to avoid the creation/deletion of a file in the same patchset
15:37 khall         Joubu: yes, I'll keep that in mind
16:35 pastebot      "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "Joubu: this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/422
16:38 reiveune      bye
17:37 Joubu         goodbye #koha!
17:38 tcohen        bye Joubu
17:40 tcohen        who moderates the lists?
17:50 oleonard      tcohen: rangi moderates the koha list, at least. Not sure about the devel list.
18:32 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13019 [QA Followup] - Fix stale unit test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a23c551f3012eb1413b25ac2ef867500d5eca9fb> / Bug 13019 [QA Followup] - Allow chaining <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d792583186d4942a8b80d0f281afd91b64f91a95> / Bug 13019 [QA Followup] - Remove use of encode <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=089c08ea65
18:43 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13189 - Patron card creator patron search browse by last name broken by extended... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2ccd0f3a208f8920eda0552fb4f5fc773e23901> / Bug 13343: Embed items when send a basket/shelf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0e5d77a719443c6616194a898795f70d34d6ebc>
18:48 tcohen        later #koha
19:08 Kohanta       Hi, can I install the dev version with git in a production environment ?
19:15 jenkins_koha  Yippee, build fixed!
19:15 wahanui1      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
19:15 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Master_D7 build #310: FIXED in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/310/
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13636 - Staff search results item status incorrect for holds
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13335 - Holds and priority display via OPACShowHoldQueueDetails confusing
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13019 - Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13019: (follow-up) Remove smartmatch operator
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13019 [QA Followup] - Allow find() and search() to be called as static methods
19:15 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Shared FastMmap file causes issues
19:15 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13636 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Search results item status incorrect for holds
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13019: [QA Follow-up] Rename new_from_dbic and few typos
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13019 [QA Followup] - Remove use of encode
19:15 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13335 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds and priority display via OPACShowHoldQueueDetails confusing
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13019 [QA Followup] - Allow chaining
19:15 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
19:15 jenkins_koha  * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13019 [QA Followup] - Fix stale unit test
19:28 jcamins       Kohanta: it is possible, but it is not a good idea.
19:34 Kohanta       Thanks jcamins
19:35 Kohanta       Any reasons why it is not a good idea ?
19:41 jcamins       If you're going to ask for help ever, you want an environment as close to everyone else's as possible.
19:42 Kohanta       Ok, got it. Thanks again @jcamins
19:47 Dyrcona       Kohanta: if you want to install things from git, come to Evergreen!
19:47 Dyrcona       Some of us do that crazy stuff all the time.
19:50 Kohanta       Thanks for Evergreen Dyrcona !
19:55 Dyrcona       Kohanta: I'll say in general, it is a bad idea to run from the master or development branches of most projects, unless you're a developer testing things.
19:55 Dyrcona       Kohanta: Most projects make no guarantees about the stability/usability of such branches.
20:57 pianohacker   hi
20:58 andreashm     hello
21:01 rangi         morning
21:03 rangi         @later tell tcohen .. did that ages agao
21:03 huginn        rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:03 rangi         @later tell tcohen es.koha-community.org.  3600    IN      A       200.16.16.139
21:03 huginn        rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:06 rangi         bag: https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/565979085231226882
21:07 bag           nice rangi :)
21:07 rangi         im just throwing numbers around
21:07 * bag         is too
21:07 rangi         its apples with pears
21:07 rangi         like you say
21:07 bag           I tried saying that :D
21:07 bag           let’s see if it gets through ;)
21:08 gmcharlt      bag++
21:08 * bag         goes back to puppy pictures :P
21:08 bag           heh just kidding
21:18 rangi         bag: heh yeah ..didn't work im afraid
21:19 bag           nope
21:19 rangi         if ex libris have 194 FTE devs .. wtf is alma still broken?
21:19 bag           “The numbers are for the company overall, and not limited to efforts expended on specific products or projects.”  adding in so we didn’t jump and say there are not 155 working on LibLime
21:20 rangi         yeah
21:20 rangi         there are 237 at catalyst
21:21 bag           Reply with that please
21:21 rangi         about 190 are devs
21:22 bag           so every support company that works with Koha support - let’s say an average of 20~30 ees…  That’s like 1500+ FTE
21:22 bag           :)
21:22 bag           s/1500/1000+
21:24 rangi         done
21:25 bag           I added on - couldn’t resist
21:25 bag           thanks
21:27 andreashm     interesting comparisons
21:28 rangi         stats, they can say whtever you want
21:28 bag           rangi: stop me :)  I can’t stop commenting
21:29 bag           heh
21:29 magnuse       bag: HI
21:29 wahanui1      hey, magnuse
21:29 bag           magnuse: HI
21:29 wahanui1      hey, bag
21:29 rangi         hehe
21:29 magnuse       bag: STOP
21:29 bag           thanks
21:29 bag           phew
21:29 bag           more coffee!!!
21:29 * magnuse     dunno what, though
21:30 bag           oh magnuse I am commenting on the email from marshall on the koha-devel
21:30 * magnuse     needs to catch up on the lists
21:31 andreashm     fun to watch the activity here and the read the mails to the list. =)
21:31 andreashm     then
21:31 magnuse       andreashm: this is where we have all the real fun :-)
21:31 bag           :D
21:32 * Dyrcona     passes 'round the pineapple chunks.
21:32 wizzyrea      oh me pick me
21:32 bag           heya wizzyrea
21:32 wahanui1      rumour has it wizzyrea is silly
21:32 wizzyrea      hi there
21:32 wahanui1      hey, wizzyrea
21:33 * magnuse     waves frantically at wizzyrea
21:33 wizzyrea      gracious, hello everyone :)
21:35 rangi         yeah im bored now, its obvious this is getting nowhere
21:35 magnuse       btw, i need to edit some zebra indexes for bug 12948. now that grs1 is on the way out, do i still edit biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and generate biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl from that, or do i edit biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl directly?
21:35 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12948 minor, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, NEW , The language filter in advance search doen't work with DOM MARC21 - NORMARC
21:39 magnuse       kia ora cait
21:39 cait          hi magnuse
21:48 jenkins_koha  Starting build #48 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:00 cait          hmmm could someone do an overdues sign off?
22:04 cait          bug 13679
22:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13679 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , There is a bug in overdues if you have overdues that match a rule, and have some items due in the future they are included in the list of overdues
22:09 pianohacker   cait: could I ask a tiny favor? Do you have a file you could point me at that has a proper GPL header to copy
22:09 pianohacker   (also, hi :) )
22:09 cait          hm is it not on the wiki?
22:09 pianohacker   coding guidelines?
22:09 wahanui1      coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
22:10 pianohacker   yarp, thanks
22:26 dcook__       Joubu++
22:27 dcook__       bug 13690: That's a lot of great effort :)
22:27 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13690 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , 3.18 performance issues
22:29 rangi         bug 13404
22:29 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , More System information about GRS1 vs DOM settings
22:29 rangi         i think i should push that for 3.18.4
22:29 rangi         any people disagree?
22:30 * dcook       takes a gander
22:31 dcook         Don't see why not?
22:33 cait          nope
22:34 rangi         cool, thats enough for me
22:35 jenkins_koha  Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:40 * pianohacker just realized a really weird, possibly accidental pattern of not putting GPL headers in JS code
22:41 eythian_      we really should.
22:41 * pianohacker is willing to lead the charge, rancor is 95% JS
23:03 pianohacker   bye
23:21 jenkins_koha  Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #48 1 hr 33 min ago)
23:25 eythian       hi
23:32 eythian       > Full time = 40 hours per week 50 weeks/year.
23:33 eythian       no it doesn't
23:33 dcook         Yeah, I was thinking that too, eythian
23:33 eythian       here at least, 4 weeks of holiday is the mandated minimum
23:33 dcook         Same
23:33 dcook         Actually, I think even North America is moving away from 2 weeks... I want to say 3 is more common now?
23:34 dcook         I'm not sure about 40 hour work weeks either
23:34 dcook         I think all of my full time work has been 37.5 hours/week
23:34 eythian       yeah, that's pretty common too.
23:34 dcook         Or involved days off
23:34 eythian       Here it's company dependent
23:35 eythian       catalyst is 40, e.g.
23:35 dcook         I think I worked alternating 5 day/4 day weeks when I did government
23:35 dcook         Ahh
23:35 cait          39,5 here
23:35 eythian       there's quite possibly rules around it, but I don't know what they are
23:36 cait          30 days of vacation
23:37 eythian       I think it's 20 days minimum here
23:37 eythian       (i.e. 4 weeks)
23:37 bag           bywater peeps get 4 weeks
23:38 bag           boo on the 2 weeks :(  that’s not civil
23:38 eythian       agreed
23:39 cait          yeah
23:41 bag           hey larryb
23:41 bag           oh not here
23:48 dcook         30 days of vacation would be all right
23:48 dcook         Even 4 weeks doesn't go too far :p
23:52 eythian       yeah :)
23:52 eythian       though, I've been good at streatching it out in the past.
23:52 eythian       where'd that a come from?
23:53 eythian       http://www.1-day.co.nz/products/AA6CAN301 <-- a "Bicycle Pedometer" ... I'm not convinced that means what they think it means
23:57 eythian       ok, time to get lunch and then do things.
23:57 dcook         hehe
23:58 dcook         eythian: Way to break my brain..