Time Nick Message 23:59 dcook There should be a line "<id>marc:datafield[@tag='999']/marc:subfield[@code='c']</id>" near the top 23:59 dcook Can you paste in the top of "etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml"? 23:58 dcook But kohaidx:id 23:58 dcook Not the overall thing 23:58 dcook Ah, I see it now 23:58 cait ok 23:58 cait i think it's even more broke n than before 23:57 dcook Give me just a few secs 23:57 dcook I don't even see a //kohaidx:id in "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" in the git 23:57 dcook Well, maybe your files are up-to-date is what I'm thinking 23:57 cait hm what are you saying? 23:56 dcook 56 </xslo:variable> 23:56 dcook 55 <xsl:attribute name="select">normalize-space(<xsl:value-of select="//kohaidx:id"/>)</xsl:attribute> 23:56 dcook <xslo:variable name="idfield"> 23:56 wahanui koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl is still used. 23:56 dcook koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl 23:56 dcook Of course, "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" is created by.. 23:55 wahanui wondering is anyone has any good z39.5 libraries that have already cataloged Scholastic books. Having a hard time finding any of the scholastic books for the school that I work at. 23:55 dcook That's what I'm wondering 23:55 cait my files are not up to date? 23:55 cait maybe 23:55 cait hm 23:55 cait gah no change 23:55 dcook (at least in that spot) 23:54 dcook Yeah, mine is the same as the git 23:54 dcook I'll also look at the git.. 23:54 dcook k 23:53 wahanui Interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad 23:53 dcook Interesting 23:53 cait let me try yours 23:53 dcook O_o 23:53 cait there 23:53 cait <xslo:variable name="idfield" select="normalize-space()"/> 23:53 dcook Yeah 23:53 cait ? 23:53 cait </xslo:attribute> 23:53 cait <xslo:value-of select="$idfield"/> 23:53 cait <xslo:attribute name="z:id"> 23:52 dcook Not sure what's happening with your records, cait :S 23:51 dcook And that's what I'm getting in my z:id.. 23:51 dcook At least that's the version I have 23:51 dcook <xslo:variable name="idfield" select="normalize-space(marc:datafield[@tag='999']/marc:subfield[@code='c'])"/> 23:50 dcook Using "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" 23:50 dcook Oh... it looks like we're creating that.. 23:49 cait yeahme too 23:49 dcook Mind you, that z:id thing still bothers me.. 23:48 dcook :S 23:48 dcook Hmm, so something is up with Koha 23:48 cait works 23:45 cait yes 23:44 dcook and - of course - "find test" and "show 1" 23:44 dcook just using "format xml" and "elements" 23:44 dcook cait: Are you able to get results back in yaz-client? 23:41 cait yeah but it worked before 23:41 dcook What happens if you try it in yaz-client now? 23:41 dcook So search is broken in koha? 23:40 dcook But that's probably not it, I have a feeling it's something with your whole... setup? 23:40 dcook Hmm, well, I've thought more about the element set name in any case 23:40 cait i have no clue 23:40 cait no errors on indexing 23:39 cait restarted zebra 23:39 cait nothing in the logs 23:39 cait all i changed is facets to 1 23:39 cait yeah def 23:38 dcook Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. 23:38 dcook :S 23:38 cait now my serach is broken 23:38 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed 23:38 cait bad news 23:36 dcook And still no luck? 23:35 cait hm did 23:34 dcook It might be worthwhile to try it 23:34 cait we can try that 23:34 cait hm not always 23:34 dcook When you index Zebra, do you use the -x flag? 23:33 dcook cait: Yeah, I wonder why that is.. 23:33 dcook Which seems silly to me personally 23:33 dcook I don't think there is a way to check available element set names from yaz :S 23:33 dcook Well, the element set name should be defined in "retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" 23:33 cait it is the entire record 23:33 cait dcook: i agree 23:32 dcook It looks like an entire record... instead of just the bib number.. 23:32 cait can we check this? 23:32 cait what about the element set name 23:32 cait hm 23:32 dcook But on yours... 23:32 dcook If you look at mine, you see this z:id="516" 23:31 dcook Hmm... I notice something weird with your last pasted output.. 23:30 cait [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo '' 23:30 cait getting late here so I am probably not perfect following instructions either 23:30 dcook Very very interesting 23:30 cait now we are back to the same error 23:30 cait it's ok 23:30 dcook Sorry, I'm giving bad instructions :p 23:30 dcook "show 1" 23:30 dcook "find test" 23:29 dcook You should put: 23:29 dcook After "elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w" 23:29 cait Z> 23:29 cait Z> elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w 23:29 cait Z> elements zebra::facet::Control-number:w 23:29 cait Elapsed: 0.040626 23:29 cait nextResultSetPosition = 2 23:29 dcook Sorry, I keep making assumptions 23:29 dcook Can you paste that output? 23:29 cait on sending it 23:29 cait just a new line 23:29 cait nope 23:29 dcook Same error message then? 23:29 wahanui hmmm... nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though 23:29 cait nothing... 23:28 dcook It should be fine 23:28 dcook You can just enter "elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w" 23:28 cait or do i need to do something in between? 23:28 cait do i type this just after the last output? 23:28 dcook Since I don't have Control-number 23:28 cait maybe i am doing it wrong 23:28 dcook Or maybe... "elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w" 23:27 dcook As we know there is definitely something there 23:27 dcook So let's try "elements zebra::facet::Control-number:w" 23:27 dcook Cool 23:27 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/391 23:27 dcook This is... either 3.14.5 or 3.17 23:27 dcook I suppose if I were smart, I would've actually upgraded my dev system to master 23:26 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "example of "elements index"" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/390 23:25 * dcook will give an example 23:25 dcook Like... 23:25 dcook Maybe the top bit of output? 23:25 dcook Mmm 23:25 cait ? 23:25 cait what exactly 23:25 cait hm 23:24 dcook I want to see some of the output of that.. 23:24 dcook try "elements index" again 23:24 dcook That's ok 23:24 cait always the same error :( 23:24 dcook and "show 1"? 23:24 dcook You did "find test" 23:23 cait quiet 23:23 cait nothing 23:23 dcook It should've spat out an error message 23:23 dcook but I'm surprised it just gave a new line 23:23 dcook "format xml" 23:22 cait did i miss a step? 23:22 cait and then the elemnts 23:22 dcook So you did "base biblios" then "elements zebra::facet::Title:w" ? 23:22 cait did the base biblios 23:22 cait nothing just a new line 23:22 dcook I have one or two more ideas in any case :) 23:21 dcook Which is odd as mine is usually pretty rock solid.. 23:21 dcook Your yaz-client/zebra seems a bit tempermental 23:20 dcook Maybe you timed out... try exiting and entering yaz-client again 23:20 cait no feedback 23:20 cait just a new line 23:20 dcook "elements zebra::facet::Title:w" 23:20 dcook Ah, sorry 23:20 cait unknwn command? 23:20 dcook It's probably crazy, but.. 23:20 cait hm 23:20 dcook It later seemed that I was crazy, but it's worth a show perhaps 23:19 dcook I swear that I encountered a case sensitivity thing once 23:19 dcook cait: try "zebra::facet::Title:w" 23:19 dcook I wonder.. 23:19 dcook cait: I'm getting that same error message when I type in a bad index name.. 23:18 dcook If you hadn't shown me the "list_all" I'd feel like the elements weren't set right, but it looked ok 23:17 * wizzyrea is using 2.0.44 23:17 dcook I would think newer would be better 23:17 dcook Hmm, I'm using 2.0.47... don't know if that really makes a difference 23:17 cait 2.0.59 23:17 cait seems all give the same 23:17 dcook yeah 23:17 dcook wizzyrea: If you're on a Debian based system :p 23:17 wizzyrea if you installed zebra with a package. 23:17 wizzyrea sudo apt-cache policy idzebra-2.0 also works 23:17 dcook zebraidx -V 23:16 cait 2.0.59 23:16 dcook will tell you about yaz 23:16 dcook "yaz-client -V" 23:16 cait i tried zebrasrv -v 23:16 dcook Actually, another question would be YAZ versions 23:16 dcook Good question 23:15 cait how to check most easily 23:15 cait oh good call 23:15 dcook Another thought... what version of Zebra are you using, cait? 23:15 dcook zebra::facet::* 23:15 dcook Oooh, I just managed to get the same error when I tried.. 23:15 cait and i am seeing it 2... which ... makes it look like something weird is going on 23:14 dcook cait: Interesting. Certainly interesting. 23:14 eythian haha 23:14 dcook eythian: ^ 23:14 dcook I think that really says it all, in a way 23:14 dcook Wow, I just addressed myself 23:14 wahanui rumour has it Facebook is *not* a universal authenticator 23:14 dcook dcook: Facebook 23:13 eythian dcook: what do you do for your daily dose of entertainment/dispair if you don't read the list? 23:13 dcook I'll look 23:13 dcook Ah, k 23:13 dcook Fwd: Facets missing on fresh dev install of 3.18.3 23:13 cait from cindy murdock ames 23:13 cait koha main list 23:12 dcook General or devel? 23:12 cait today 23:12 * dcook doesn't read the mailing list most of the time 23:12 dcook When was it? 23:12 dcook I don't think so? 23:12 cait dcook: did you see the mailing list mail with the same problem? 23:10 cait </z:index> 23:10 cait <xslo:value-of select="marc:subfield[@code='a']"/> 23:10 cait <z:index name="su-to:0"> 23:10 dcook Apparently the error went away once I was indexing ":0" in my xsl.. 23:09 cait looking into my xsl file 23:09 cait hm 23:09 dcook That's why I specifically wanted to try "index:w" instead.. 23:08 dcook But it was when I used "index:0" 23:08 dcook Apparently I got "[25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo ''" once upon a time... although it looks like it was for both ICU and non-ICU 23:08 wizzyrea either way, somehow these two problems are bouncing around in my consciousness together. 23:08 dcook Yeah, I'm looking at an old list entry 23:08 cait let's verify 23:08 cait hm not sure 23:08 wizzyrea I think the person on the list mentioned ICU. 23:07 dcook Are you using ICU? 23:06 dcook Oh, I think I might have an idea.. 23:06 cait i will check 23:05 dcook You're certain that the retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml file is the one pointed to in your koha-conf.xml? 23:05 dcook It looks like you're not using the retrievalinfo fallback in koha-conf.xml, or else "elements index" wouldn't have worked 23:04 dcook Nope, that's not it 23:03 dcook I do have a few different config options though so I'm going to try changing them and trying again 23:03 dcook I'm sure I've seen that before, but not in a long time 23:02 cait yeah :( 23:02 dcook That's so bizarre.. 23:02 cait Elapsed: 0.000711 23:02 cait nextResultSetPosition = 2 23:02 cait [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo '' 23:02 cait Diagnostic message(s) from database: 23:01 dcook then "show 1" 23:01 dcook Now try "elements zebra::facet::title:w" 23:01 cait ok 23:01 dcook There shouldn't be anything about facets yet 23:01 dcook Yep, that's all right 23:00 cait butnothing about facets 23:00 cait i see the indexes 22:59 dcook then "show 1" again 22:59 dcook Try... "elements index" 22:59 dcook Hmm, same, which is actually not what I expected originally 22:58 cait marcxml 22:58 dcook and "show 1" 22:58 dcook So let's just try "format xml" 22:58 dcook Cool 22:58 cait and it shows results 22:58 cait show 22:58 cait find test 22:58 cait i did base biblios 22:57 dcook cait: where are you now? 22:57 cait dcook: which commands? 22:57 dcook hehe 22:56 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ls5j5iz2eA 22:56 dcook Perfect. Then yeah, try "yaz-client unix:..." again 22:56 cait i did 22:56 dcook Just try to exit out of the yaz-client Z> commmand 22:55 dcook Sounds like yaz-client isn't having a good time 22:55 cait restart? 22:55 dcook Ctrl + C 22:55 cait just a new line in the z command 22:55 dcook So type "quit" 22:55 dcook Maybe let's try existing yaz-client and starting over again 22:54 * dcook tries to recall if he's ever seen that one 22:54 dcook Oh my 22:54 cait cs_put: System (lower-layer) error: Broken pipe 22:54 dcook and will give you an error once you hit the end 22:54 dcook as "show" cycles through the records 22:54 dcook you might need to try "find test" again 22:54 dcook So when you say nothing... what do you see? 22:53 cait yeah 22:53 dcook and it worked? 22:53 cait with -r 22:53 cait i did :( 22:53 dcook Maybe try reindexing your db 22:53 dcook I thought that might be the case 22:53 cait f 22:53 cait nothin 22:53 cait sec 22:53 dcook Are you able to retrieve records? 22:53 dcook like "elements" 22:52 dcook cait: what happens if we try something else? 22:52 dcook But it's a massive bug so a bit tough to root through... so you're welcome! 22:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Retrieve facets from Zebra 22:52 dcook mtj: a lot of it is in bug 11232 :) 22:51 mtj dcook: thanks for the facet info.. very handy :0) 22:51 dcook I know I've got that same error message you've gotten before though... 22:49 dcook Interestingly enough... I don't actually even seem to need "<retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/>" in my conf.. 22:48 dcook "[25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::facet::title:w'" 22:48 dcook Hmm, I just tried mangling my conf, and got a different error 22:48 dcook I'm wondering a bit about that 22:48 cait pointing to another file? 22:48 cait = 22:48 cait could it be a wrong path or something 22:46 dcook You restarted zebrasrv as well... so that's ok... 22:45 cait and confusing 22:45 cait werid indeed then 22:45 dcook cait: I'm surprised that you got that error message, as your conf looks OK 22:44 cait hm? 22:43 dcook Hmm, that's surprising.. 22:42 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/388 22:41 dcook :) 22:41 cait i am on it 22:41 dcook Because "elements zebra::facet::any:w" should work, if retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml is setup correctly 22:41 dcook /koha-dev/etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml 22:40 dcook You you paste the contents of... 22:40 dcook More importantly actually... 22:39 dcook Could you do "list_all" and paste the output of that? 22:39 dcook If that's the case, then I wonder a bit about your configuration.. 22:39 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/387 22:38 cait pasting sec 22:38 cait ineresting 22:38 dcook (sort of) 22:38 dcook That should show you the zebra facets for your search 22:38 dcook then "show" 22:38 dcook then "find test" 22:38 dcook "format xml" 22:37 dcook "elements zebra::facet::any:w" 22:37 dcook Try.. 22:37 dcook Ah, my bad. It might be a configuration thing 22:37 cait dcook: nothing happened 22:36 eythian cait: friday the 6th 22:36 cait thursday? 22:35 cait h 22:35 cait oh arg 22:35 eythian hmph, the dev meeting is on a public holiday. 22:35 dcook then... "elements zebra::facet::any:w,title:w,title:0" 22:35 dcook type in "base biblios" 22:34 dcook Ok, now let's see... 22:34 cait ok 22:32 dcook Because we'll be doing the facet queries directly 22:32 dcook Nah, it shouldn't matter. 22:32 cait should i turn facets back on before that? 22:32 dcook Just give me a sec to setup my zebra conf.. 22:31 dcook but with your own socket address 22:31 dcook Then type into the command line "yaz-client unix:/home/dcook/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/bibliosocket" 22:31 cait ok 22:31 dcook Mine is "unix:/home/dcook/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/bibliosocket" 22:30 dcook And copy the contents of <listen id="biblioserver"></listen> 22:30 dcook cait: So go to koha-conf.xml 22:28 cait once or twice but ages ago 22:27 dcook cait: have you used yaz-client before? 22:27 dcook Let's see if I have a good setup so that I can do it at the same time.. 22:26 dcook yep 22:26 cait could you guide me how to? 22:26 dcook cait: you could try using yaz-client to find out 22:25 cait but i am not sure how to confirm that 22:25 cait rangi: ok, so the zebra facets are not working.. i had the idea maybe they were not being indexed correctly = not showing up, nothing in the facet index 22:25 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah that's the one I read too 22:25 eythian to recognise a subset when you see one :) 22:25 dcook eythian: A quick google showed me the opposite for superset. I guess I should have inferred the answer :p 22:25 dcook eythian: Never studied...? 22:25 wizzyrea http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/microsoft-to-invest-in-cyanogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/ 22:25 eythian dcook: you never studied... 22:24 dcook wizzyrea: Apparently microsoft is investing in it 22:24 eythian dcook: subset of 22:24 cait facets are back 22:24 cait oooh 22:24 cait restarted the zebrasrv too 22:24 dcook eythian: ⊂? 22:23 cait i will try sec 22:23 cait just switch the koha-conf entry? 22:23 rangi what happens if you turn zebra facets off 22:23 cait nothing in the logs either 22:22 cait problem: my facets are not showing up, like the problem described on the mailing list today 22:21 cait nothing on the about page 22:20 cait also the facet configuration in the dom xsl 22:20 cait i hae checked that dom is activated in koha-conf... the facet entries are there 22:20 cait hm stuck on my facets problem 22:19 wizzyrea also cyanogen is now in league with microsoft? 22:19 eythian cyanogenmod ⊂ android 22:16 * dcook is tempted to use Cyanogenmod over Android actually 22:15 dcook Regarding size, speed, etc. 22:15 dcook Really though... I'd probably just look at the specs and see what you like 22:15 dcook mtj: I bought a S3 online just as the S4 was coming out. Good price and it's been a good phone. 22:14 dcook hey rangi 22:14 rangi hi dcook 22:14 * dcook waves 22:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 22:07 rangi @later tell joubu also means it cant know if it is a bug or an enhancement, its purely the number of patches authored, grouped by organisation, and the number of sign offs by organisation 22:06 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 22:06 rangi @later tell joubu also it is not looking at bugzilla at all, this is purely from git, so it counts all sign offs, including qa and release manager etc 22:03 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 22:03 rangi @later tell joubu ive removed the balance column 22:02 mtj im guessing the catalyst folk have some hot tips 22:01 mtj ha, all good cait 22:00 cait my phone is a dinosaur... so can't really help :) 21:59 mtj what are people using these days? 21:59 mtj off-topic... anyone recommend any android fones? 21:58 mtj great for kite flying 21:57 cait :) 21:57 mtj wiz,i've really grown to like the wind around wgtn too 21:36 wizzyrea :) 21:35 wizzyrea I do feel for the cyclists. 21:35 wizzyrea without a breeze it's the most sweltering 23C you'll ever experience 21:35 wizzyrea NZ sun is crazy hot. 21:35 eythian look at the person who doesn't have a bike :) 21:35 wizzyrea it's too hot when the wind goes. 21:35 wizzyrea I miss the wind when it's not there. I prefer it really. 21:34 eythian though, gale force winds, but that's nothing new 21:34 eythian no snow 21:34 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 21:34 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:33 cait ew more snow 21:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is -0.3°C (10:33 PM CET on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 21:33 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:28 cait aha! 21:22 eythian it's still a bit string-and-duct-tape to put together quickly at the moment :) 21:21 eythian cait: I'll see about making a wiki page with info 21:11 cait and my timezone is fine, i like living in the past. 21:10 cait and i have no idea what to tell them - that#s annoying 21:10 cait but people ask about it you know 21:10 cait not in that much detail 21:09 eythian cait: you want me to explain the ES stuff? If you were in a real timezone, you would have got my complaining about how it's tricky to build an authorities search query yesterday :) 21:08 magnuse hi eythian 21:06 cait hi eythian 21:05 wahanui bidet, eythian 21:05 eythian hi 21:05 DisneyDave Ok, thanks Manguse and Cait 21:04 cait we have a test installation running 3.18.3, but haven't seen any problems there so far 21:03 DisneyDave Are you having any issues with mysql stopping cait? 21:03 DisneyDave I will get with my tech person to try and figure out why it didnt run completely 21:03 cait sorry, misread i gues 21:02 DisneyDave Thanks cait. 21:02 cait DisneyDave: if the version still says 3.18.2 the update didn't run completely 21:01 DisneyDave yes 21:00 magnuse is mysql completely stopped when that happens? 20:59 DisneyDave The other day I came in and it was down. We have not had any luck upgrading from 3.18.02 to 3.18.03 yet but it sounds like we took the right steps. Version still says 3.18.02 20:58 DisneyDave I backed out and got the MYSQL is down error. 20:58 DisneyDave and the checkin area spun and spun 20:58 DisneyDave I was just checking in 5 items from a patron who had 42 items out at her individual screen so I checked the 5 items for return 20:57 magnuse not for me. what are your symptoms? 20:56 magnuse yes we do! 20:56 DisneyDave quick question... I have had to restart MYSQL twice in two days ... is 3.18.02 causing anyone else any restarts? 20:55 DisneyDave We LOVE KOHA 20:55 DisneyDave Hello all 20:21 * magnuse has a nice fire going in the fireplace 20:20 * Dyrcona doesn't feel like "winning." ;) 20:19 Dyrcona Yeah, the wind and snow picked up and I decided I'd had enough. 20:19 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -12.5°C (9:15 PM CET on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -20.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 20:19 magnuse @wunder karasjok 20:19 magnuse fun 20:18 Dyrcona I just came in from doing a little shoveling. 20:17 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in Sudbury, Ontario is -13.2°C (3:03 PM EST on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 20:17 Dyrcona @wunder p3e 2c6 20:17 Dyrcona Well, Sudbury has me beat temperature-wise, but we've got wind and snow. 20:17 magnuse ooh, you win Dyrcona 20:16 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in Timber Lane, Methuen, Massachusetts is -12.7°C (3:16 PM EST on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1001 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 1 am EST Tuesday... 20:16 Dyrcona @wunder 01844 20:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0°C (8:50 PM CET on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 20:14 magnuse @wunder boo 20:11 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 20:11 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #42 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:56 cait hi agai #koha 18:54 reiveune bye 18:40 vfernandes if the problem reappears, I will be here again :D 18:38 vfernandes thanks for the help rangi 18:36 rangi vfernandes: good idea 18:36 drojf jcamins: true :D 18:36 vfernandes i've added a cronjob to warn me when the memory to try to access the server earlier and prevent more oom-killers 18:36 * jcamins said that, didn't he? 18:35 wahanui the challenge is that I would like to be able to specify that there has to be an exact match, except 'u's and 'v's can be interchangeable, as can be 'i's and 'j's. 18:35 jcamins drojf: where is the challenge? 18:35 jcamins drojf: the new rPi doesn't look particularly interesting for installing Koha on. 18:35 vfernandes right now the server is stable 18:34 rangi that's my guess 18:34 rangi yeah 18:34 rangi if someone got impatient and hit refresh 18:34 vfernandes i guess that after the error someone has used F5 a lot 18:33 rangi yeah that would do it 18:33 rangi ah ha 18:33 vfernandes before the oom-killer the server has lost the connection to BD server 18:32 vfernandes rangi now I have new data about the problem 18:29 rangi i hope this is some help 18:29 rangi ive seen something like this happen before, caused by a couple of things 1/ someone left a book on their keyboard and it was sitting on the f5 key .. that was easy to fix .. the other time, couldnt figure out why it happened it was like the browser wigged out 18:27 rangi but you might be able to notice something hitting the same url a lot 18:27 rangi so if the server starts ooming you often dont see them all in the logs 18:26 rangi problem is, it logs at the finish of a request 18:26 rangi looks like something is hammering the members page 18:26 rangi id check the intranet access logs 18:26 rangi but yeah thats a lot of member.pl running 18:25 rangi yeah oom killer doesnt always(often) kill the actual thing using all the ram 18:24 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "memory dump" (161 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/385 18:23 vfernandes on memory dump there is like 100 member.pl processes 18:22 vfernandes member.pl invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x200da, order=0, oom_score_adj=0 18:22 vfernandes oom_killer this time was invoked by member.pl 18:21 rangi ? 18:21 rangi vfernandes: hmmm can you see what process is using all the RAM 18:21 rangi Joubu: thanks fixed now 18:21 vfernandes Timeout 300 18:21 vfernandes MaxKeepAliveRequests 500 18:19 vfernandes checking my logs there isn't many requests 18:19 vfernandes rangi: are you talking about MaxKeepAliveRequests? 18:16 rangi vfernandes: check your apache logs is it getting hit a lot, you might want to wind down max connections 18:04 vfernandes the server has 6GB 18:04 vfernandes sometimes it's happening oom-killer 18:04 drojf oh, a new raspberry pi model to put koha on ^^ 18:04 vfernandes in the last weeks i'm having a problem with one installation 18:03 vfernandes hi guys 17:01 fridolin1 bye 16:39 gaetan_B1 bye 16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make Koha::Schema use C4::Context->dbh 16:16 cait bug 11891 16:00 tcohen we need to revert some stuff from 11891 16:00 Joubu But we can fix it in Koha, great 15:59 tcohen it is 15:59 Joubu tcohen: Last time you said me it was a dbic issue 15:58 * tcohen is looking for khall's patch that fixed it 15:57 tcohen Joubu: yes 15:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13610 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , delete_patrons.pl crashes on debian squeeze 15:56 Joubu tcohen: Hello! Did you have the time to have a look at bug 13610? 15:44 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:44 Joubu @later tell rangi, the links in the "last 5 SO" area are broken (dashboard) : show_bug.cgi?id=%3C%%20entry.1%20%%3E 15:21 cait for patches that can be used as is when it's not fail? everything seems equally confusing 15:21 cait drojf; i think new and a note that it's not ready for testing /needs more work maybe 15:21 cait off the phone 14:23 * magnuse wanders off 14:15 andreashm hi all 13:36 * tcohen loves RM-QAM meeting 13:35 tcohen of coures 13:35 cait tcohen: on phone, but talk later? 13:35 drojf does reducing the needs signoff queue by making people switch status to assigned count as +1 in my statistics? :D 13:33 drojf post kohacon holiday? :) 13:32 tcohen (2 month) 13:32 tcohen it's been a while! 13:32 * tcohen is back at the office 13:32 druthb morning, tcohen. :) 13:32 drojf hi tcohen 13:32 kivilahtio gday tcohen 13:32 drojf if you plan on rebasing it for master at some point, i would leave it open, just set it to… i don't know, in discussion or assigned probably 13:32 tcohen morning kivilahtio druthb drojf cait Joubu magnuse marcelr 13:31 kivilahtio if i have an issue, i look for a ticket, regardless of it's status 13:31 oleonard And I'll file a counter-patch if I think an entirely different approach should be taken 13:31 kivilahtio or just "new"? what is wrong with new? 13:31 kivilahtio there is such a status. Resolved -> Worksforme 13:31 oleonard Or maybe it's just me -- I'll submit a follow-up to a patch if I think it can be improved. 13:31 kivilahtio drojf: maybe "Works for me"? 13:30 kivilahtio oleonard: ok 13:30 oleonard I don't think that is necessary kivilahtio 13:30 drojf i think it's great to put them there, i just wonder about the status. there is not really something to sign off there at the moment, it's just there to be reused, right? 13:30 kivilahtio so no damage done 13:30 kivilahtio What I am trying to say is that even if you make changes and share them to bugzilla, the original owner can still find his submits. 13:29 kivilahtio so nowadays I try to add a disclaimer to my patches that they can be stolen. 13:29 kivilahtio drojf: I realized that people here are so courteous that they are afraid of stepping onto someone's toes. In bugzilla you can access obsoleted/overwritten patches. 13:28 kivilahtio drojf: speaking of the devil 13:28 drojf kivilahtio: ah that is you! :) 13:28 drojf i think this could use some cleanup 13:28 kivilahtio drojf: you can steal my patches! 13:27 kivilahtio drojf: How does this sentence end ". i think this c..." ? 13:26 drojf (and for cleanup, it needs some kind of rule. i don't want to be the bad guy changing your status if it is not consensus to do it in some way ;) 13:25 drojf :) 13:25 druthb :) 13:25 druthb drojf! 13:25 drojf druthb! 13:24 drojf i suppose people asking questions don't want to deny the "needs sign off" status as somebody else could still want to do it. and the people doing the patches don't change the status either, because somebody else could still sign off without them addressing the question. which is both understandable, but when i look around to see if i could do a signoff and the first 5 patches i look at are like this, i may have other things to do instead. i think this c 13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12085 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Allow staff to place multiple reserves for the same patron 13:16 drojf for example something like bug 12085. i don't think there is anything to sign off really at the moment. (not blaming the dev, it was just a bug i had open, there are a lot more like this) 13:16 magnuse drojf: yeah, if there open questions, "needs signoff" does not make sense, in my opinion 13:14 drojf marked. don't mind the typos, tired ;) 13:14 drojf *a few 13:14 drojf there are quite a fe patches markes as "needs sign off" that have some question or discussion at the end. shouldn't those get back to "in discussion" to trigger some kind of response? i would not sign off now on something that has some kind of question or objection at the end 13:11 magnuse with debugging tools etc 13:11 magnuse ...in a dev-mode kind of way 13:11 magnuse cait: kohadevbox has plack set up 13:11 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 13:10 marcelr hi tcohen 13:10 tcohen morning! 13:05 Viktor kia ora Magnuse 13:04 magnuse kia ora Viktor 13:04 * magnuse waves in a slightly head cold way 13:02 Joubu maybe #patches + #so + #qa = contribution means something... 13:01 cait waiting for the call :) 13:01 cait hm i think so - patches 13:01 Joubu ok if you want, but it does not mean something for me 13:01 Joubu #patches - #SO = balance 13:00 Joubu marcelr: I don't understand what "balance" means 12:59 marcelr Joubu: what about the QAs in your balance? 12:55 drojf i do not read that as "biblibre (or anyone else) is bad". it would be interesting to differentiate between bugfixes and enhancements though 12:52 cait bbl 12:52 cait off to a webinar 12:49 cait but i am not sure if you can really represent it in number well 12:49 cait i think itw oudl be a good point to say bugfixes belong to the other column 12:48 kivilahtio Joubu: you are paving the way! 12:48 Joubu they are still using 3.14... for the major part 12:48 Joubu when it's bugfix, it's often bugfix for new versions, BibLibre's customers don't use it yet 12:48 kivilahtio a poor one nevertheless 12:48 kivilahtio Joubu: that was a joke 12:47 Joubu Hum, I develop a lot of patches for "the community" 12:47 kivilahtio Submitting patches is definetely taking :) 12:46 kivilahtio By taking, it should count how many times git bz apply has been used :) 12:46 Joubu "BibLibre (and ByWater, Olli, etc.) takes and doesn't give" 12:45 cait i think rangi did it last weekend, not sure - haven't seen him much 12:45 Joubu Just wondering what it reflects for others 12:45 Joubu anyway, it's just number, I don't personnaly care 12:45 cait it's a good point 12:44 Joubu This balance means it is more valuable to signoff than fix a bug 12:44 Joubu I (represent BibLibre) spent a lot of time to fix bugs and not to signoff patches, but it is not for BibLibre itself. 12:42 cait especially since the needs sign off is exploding again 12:42 cait but discussion is not always bad 12:42 cait it's something that could create some discussion, that's for sure 12:42 Joubu It's a very weird way of seeing things 12:41 cait not sure if it counts signofss and qa currently too 12:40 cait i'd not be so strict there i guess 12:40 Joubu hum, so BibLibre is a bad student because the balance is negative? 12:40 kivilahtio I am not very balanced. Looking forward to fixing that during the hackfest :) 12:39 cait test others and get yours tested 12:38 cait i think the idea of 'give and take' 12:37 Joubu What is the usefulness of the "balance" value in the new dashboard entry? What does it represent? 12:30 cait thx :) 12:30 Joubu HR 12:28 cait nm looked it up 12:27 cait what's the short letter for croatia? 12:21 kivilahtio cait: thanks for the heads up, got it fixed 12:19 kivilahtio cait: maaaaaan 12:19 cait kivilahtio: you are doubled up int he spreadsheet :) 12:18 cait akafred: cool :) 12:14 Viktor Hei Magnuse! 12:01 slef surprisingly similar 12:01 huginn slef: The current temperature in Cranwell, United Kingdom is 2.0°C (11:50 AM GMT on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 12:01 slef @wunder EGYD 12:01 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 12:01 slef @wunder WGYD 11:35 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 2.3°C (11:32 AM GMT on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 11:35 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 11:30 * akafred is ready for Marseille :-) 11:07 drojf hi #koha 10:36 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 10:36 slef @later tell tcohen could you add any missing admin details you know to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration please? 10:35 Joubu slef: yep, thanks 10:35 slef ok, I'll let the facebooker know we're aware and have sent it on 10:34 Joubu slef: it's UNC, I let a tell later to tcohen this morning 10:34 slef Looks like it's at UNC 10:34 slef Who runs es.koha-community.org ? Neither it or manual seems to be on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 09:55 cait left a comment on the bug 09:53 Joubu Hope to manage to play with it this week :) 09:53 Joubu and to explain what is done, what will be done, etc. 09:53 cait yeah, i will bug eythian about it again i think 09:53 Joubu but it's a shame there is no doc to set it up 09:52 cait Joubu: thx for trying - really curious :) 09:52 Joubu a few days ago, a new commit "authority wip" is appeared on the branch :) 09:52 Viktor Seems to be more than POC indeed :) 09:52 cait ah right 09:52 Joubu some conflicts expected, the Solr code has been removed 09:51 Joubu the branch is based on 3.16 and should be rebased against master 09:51 Joubu yes, that's why I try to test the branch. It's not really obvious what is implemented or will be 09:50 cait comment 18 has a little info 09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha 09:49 cait bug 12478 09:48 cait at least i think it's more than a poc - but really don#t have much info yet 09:47 Viktor Quite exiting :) Thanks for the info! 09:47 cait i think they are pretty far, but not sure again... need to find out more myself 09:46 Viktor Fingers crossed :) Is it sort of proof of concept or a little more functionality in there? 09:45 cait Joubu: keeping fingers crossed then 09:45 Joubu cait: yes I tried, I have to retry this week 09:44 Viktor That would be sweet. 09:44 wahanui cait: I forgot joubu 09:44 cait wahanui: forget Joubu 09:43 cait i was hoping we might be ableto see something at the hackfest, but not sure 09:43 wahanui i guess Joubu is going to add a letter for "acquisition", so there is no sense to keep claimacq 09:43 cait Joubu? 09:43 cait i talked to eythian a bit last night, i think Joubu has been working on getting a test system up? 09:43 Viktor How about major stuff like elasticsearch? Do you know how that is coming along? 09:42 Viktor Last time magnuse installed Plack for us on a test run we hade problems with picking up the right translations. But otherwise known bugs seems to be getting fixed. 09:41 cait :) 09:41 Viktor If I do make it to the hackfest I hope to get some work done with magnuse on the interactive signs that's had to wait for a cleanup. 09:40 cait to find somebody to show me how to install it :) 09:40 cait i guess i should put it on my hackfest list 09:40 Viktor Everybody can see the improved speed so It's great for demoing for people interested in Koha. 09:39 cait ah 09:39 Viktor It's one of the most obvious improvements for the untrained eye. 09:39 cait maybe i shoudl try sometime :) 09:39 Viktor But my what a pleasure it is to use Koha with Plack active. 09:38 Viktor Yes I think it's at least two ways of installing Plack. 09:38 Viktor Hm I think you are right cait. Eye to eye would make it easier for this kind of discussion. 09:38 cait i haven't installed it yt - it seems there are different approaches to get it working currently 09:37 cait just thinking that it would be a good place to discuss areas that need some love 09:37 Viktor Plack is no1 on my wish list, but it seems to be moving along quite ok. 09:37 cait ah ok 09:37 Viktor Hopefully I will cait, but I'm not sure yet. 09:36 cait Viktor: are you coming to the hackfest maybe? 09:36 Viktor (We might get extra funding and I'd like to know that I don't prioritize extra development wrong.) 09:35 cait Viktor: difficult question 09:35 Viktor What would you guys throw extra cash at that needs to get done but no customers would pay for? 09:32 Viktor Hi cait! And greetings #koha 09:15 marcelr hi #koha 09:07 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:07 Joubu @later tell tcohen someone reported on the ML that es.k-c.org is down (and still down) 09:06 cait morning fridolin kivilahtio and Joubu :) 09:01 Joubu good morning #koha 09:01 wahanui bidet, kivilahtio 09:01 kivilahtio hi there 08:46 fridolin hie all 08:39 cait hi Viktor :) 08:32 matts hi cait ! 08:32 cait hi gaetan_B and matts :) 08:32 gaetan_B hello 08:24 cait hi #koha 08:02 wahanui que tal, alex_a 08:02 alex_a bonjour 07:49 reiveune hello 07:00 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 07:00 dcook @later tell rangi what were the troubles with perl 5.20 + utf8 + koha again? 07:00 dcook "i wonder if its the same perl 5.20 we were spotting with utf8 and koha" 05:27 * eythian & 05:27 eythian oh well, tomorrow's job 05:27 eythian but I'll also have to add a filter level to handle exact matches, queries are for smart things that do tokenisation etc, but not for things where you want to do an exact match of a whole field, and then do subqueries inside that. 05:25 eythian so it'll work even if there's only one entry (which will be the common case) 05:25 eythian I wonder if I can just wrap it all in a bool 'should' query. 05:25 eythian not too bad if you're designing something around ES itself, but annoying if you want to have a nice easy UI for someone to build a search query. 05:24 eythian http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/multi-query-strings.html <-- you have to do stuff like this 05:23 eythian it's just the syntax that it uses 05:22 dcook Not sure I follow but that sucks that it's annoying :( 05:19 eythian *can't 05:19 eythian it's all a bit annoying that you can just throw an array of queries at es. 05:19 eythian or even just the same query type twice 05:19 eythian also accounting for if we need a filter at all... 05:18 eythian so far I've got it building up a set of query and filter bits, but they need to be merged together, accounting for searches that may have the same field twice. 05:15 * eythian leaves the impedence mismatch to solve for tomorrow. 05:15 eythian elasticsearch query formats don't mesh with the way we get "what to search for" information well at all. 05:03 dcook Wise 04:57 * eythian usually is able to ignore that 04:55 dcook Picking your way through Java versions is so fun... 04:49 * jcamins leaves. 04:48 jcamins Okay, not so much discussion as screed. 04:46 jcamins mtj: there was a lengthy discussion about SimpleServer on the mailing list when BibLibre was working on Solr. 04:38 mtj hmm... perhaps BL might have used that, to write their own z39 server 04:36 mtj yeah, it really does, http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/Net-Z3950-SimpleServer/SimpleServer.pm 04:28 eythian looks neat 04:27 mtj hmm, i dont think ive seem this before, http://www.indexdata.com/simpleserver 04:14 mtj i vaguely recall BL testing jzkit, i wonder how they got on... 03:59 eythian we're waiting for you to write one :) 03:58 mtj hey, just curious... did we find a decent replacement for zebra's z39 service? 03:38 eythian that's about right 03:34 dcook hehe 03:33 mtj the bib-1 query syntax seems to be the perfect compliment to the MARC spec 03:17 eythian :) 03:17 eythian that too 03:17 mtj cool 03:16 mtj http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html 03:16 eythian mtj: yeah, I did 03:16 mtj hey eythian, did you spot this ... -> http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html 02:49 dcook that* 02:49 dcook Yeah, I thought I saw something about htat 02:49 dcook Or are working on them 02:49 dcook It is possible that tcohen and some others have already cleaned them up 02:49 eythian I thought I did see something about unicode changes, but I can't really remember 02:48 dcook Hmm 02:48 eythian but, that doesn't mean they're not there. 02:48 eythian I'm not aware of any issues 02:48 dcook I keep thinking that Perl 5.20 doesn't get along with Koha, but I don't remember why... 02:43 dcook https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=93438 02:43 dcook It looks like in the actual 0.22 release that the test might just be buggy 02:43 dcook Looks like I wonder why it's 0.22-2... 02:42 dcook Hmm.. 02:37 dcook Mind you, it might be a different problem with this particular instance of the OS 02:37 dcook The newer versions have much perl packages which is nice, but still not good enough 02:34 dcook Me thinks Debian > OpenSuse 02:34 eythian Kandidaat: 0.22-2 02:34 eythian Geïnstalleerd: (geen) 02:34 eythian libtext-csv-encoded-perl: 02:34 eythian $ apt-cache policy libtext-csv-encoded-perl 02:33 dcook Well, the tests fail at least... 02:33 dcook I don't think there's an OS package for Text::CSV::Encoded, but I can't install it from CPAN either 02:32 dcook Hmm... Perl 5.20.1 seems... interesting 02:11 dcook And we're back... 02:03 eythian yeah, it does, somewhat 02:03 dcook I think this doc might explain: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html 02:02 dcook The 1st number is definitely the type, and the 2nd is the value, yeah 02:02 dcook sounds like you've got it figured, eythian 02:02 * dcook loves when something claims one thing but does the other 02:02 dcook hehe 02:01 * dcook was eating 02:01 dcook Hmm? 01:35 * eythian notes that the 'exact' authority search claims to do no truncation, in fact does both left and right truncation 01:35 mtj no probs :0) 01:32 Francesca thats really helpful 01:32 Francesca mtj thanks so much 01:30 mtj -> https://help.github.com/articles/generating-ssh-keys/ 01:30 mtj hiya Francesca 01:24 Francesca see you rangi 01:24 * Francesca waves 01:24 Francesca uhhh how do I do that? 01:24 * rangi has to head out now to get the kids from school 01:24 rangi you might need to upload your ssh key first 01:24 rangi so git clone that_url 01:24 rangi then you should have a copy of it under your username and there should be a url (you want the ssh one) that you can copy and paste 01:22 rangi top right 01:22 rangi https://github.com/biblibre/hea-app 01:22 rangi you want to fork that repo first 01:21 Francesca rangi: I am set up on github now, remind me how I get a clone set up on my laptop? 01:10 eythian I don't understand how they have a large document defining everything, but missing out on how they actually go together. 01:09 eythian yes? 01:09 eythian the second is the value 01:09 eythian oh, the first number is the type 01:09 eythian dcook: If I'm looking at a string like '@attr 1=Heading @attr 3=2 @attr 4=1 @attr 5=1', how do I know what those attr values are between the various types of bib1 attribs 01:01 Francesca oh ok. I might be able to try and get it running via xammp then, I'll have to see. Also I don't have a git hub account, so will need to set one up before I start 00:59 rangi *nod* because he wont be able to just merge and hope it works, because he is in france so the lag will mean broken for a while etc. So we will want to be sure it works before we send a merge request 00:55 Francesca uhh not really. And I don't have a vm at the moment ether. I might be able to run it off xammp though 00:53 rangi Joubu looks after that site, so he will need to merge them, but yes. YOu might want to try to get it running locally, if you have a vm or something you can do it on. Because he wont have the time to merge for testing ... if that makes sense? 00:52 Francesca rangi: I'll have a look at that one now. Do you want me to just send merge requests when I push a change up? 00:51 dcook I can't remember anymore :p 00:51 dcook Or maybe it was you 00:51 * dcook thinks jcamins may have been trolling him... 00:51 dcook lol 00:50 eythian ^ there 00:50 wahanui it has been said that dcook is a zebra expert now 00:50 eythian wahanui: dcook 00:50 wahanui dcook is the designated masochist 00:50 eythian wahanui: dcook 00:50 wahanui rumour has it dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client 00:50 eythian wahanui: dcook 00:50 rangi code is all here https://github.com/biblibre/hea-app 00:50 rangi http://hea.koha-community.org/ you could have a look at this one 00:50 wahanui i think dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client 00:50 eythian wahanui: dcook 00:50 eythian dcook: I don't believe you 00:50 dcook eythian: Can't say I was ever fond of zebras :p 00:49 dcook Ah.. 00:49 Francesca rangi: that works for me, are there any websites that need doing at the moment? 00:49 dcook Hmm, looks like I missed some scrollback 00:49 wahanui osi model is, like, shock, denial, guilt, anger, bargaining, hope, acceptance 00:49 eythian wahanui: osi model 00:49 rangi Francesca: hmm probably round 1pm 00:48 wahanui seven stages of grief are lettuce, tomatoes, rice, beans, sour cream, cheese, guacamole 00:48 eythian wahanui: seven stages of grief 00:47 wahanui OK, eythian. 00:47 eythian wahanui: seven layer burrito is physical, data link, network, transport, session, presentation, application 00:46 wahanui i haven't a clue, eythian 00:46 eythian wahanui: seven layer burrito? 00:42 Francesca sweet! is there any time in particular that suits you? I have no classes that day so anytime works for me 00:41 rangi yep that should be fine 00:40 Francesca Are tuesdays ok for irc sessions for work experience? 00:40 rangi cool 00:39 Francesca I've got my timetable finalised now for uni 00:39 Francesca hey rangi 00:38 rangi hi Francesca 00:38 * Francesca waves 00:16 rangi heh 00:14 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/65672348/hawera-police-rescue-hedgehog-and-snail <-- it's all over the news now!