Time  Nick      Message
22:41 mtompset  Have a great weekend, #koha.
19:40 mtompset  ^develop^developer^
19:40 mtompset  So, if I go, "Oooo... I like that project," and as a develop report the bug, take the bug, and code the bug. I could ask for the funds raised?
19:37 bag       mtompset: the fund come to bywater - but it doesn't totally mean that bywater is doing the development - things could be shared to other developers etc.  But bywater would be the fund manager and project manager from that bywater hosted site
19:01 mtompset  Out of curiosity, the crowdfunding page that Bywater put up recently... those funds go where and how?
17:25 gaetan_B  bye
16:03 reiveune  bye
15:13 drojf     /o/ into the cold… later #koha
15:10 drojf     :/
15:10 huginn    drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 2.0°C (3:50 PM CET on January 30, 2015). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 28.74 in 973 hPa (Steady).
15:10 drojf     @wunder berlin, germany
15:08 khall     np!
15:08 Joubu     thanks khall!
15:05 cait      magnuse++
15:00 drojf     magnuse++
14:59 magnuse   patches welcome ;-)
14:59 magnuse   it needs some more meaningful tests, i think
14:58 magnuse   maybe i should try running it again, to see if there is a difference for 3.18
14:58 khall     neat! magnuse++
14:57 magnuse   i took a shot at that with https://github.com/digibib/kohaprofile
14:57 khall     can Jenkins tell us anything useful?
14:57 khall     relative subroutine call timings via unit tests?
14:56 oleonard  How can we make quantitative judgements about how updates to Koha change various primary functions like check in checkout and searching?
14:56 khall     here here!
14:55 magnuse   plackify all the things!
14:55 magnuse   uptimerobot shows a less dramatic increase, but still a visible difference
14:54 khall     however, some complexity just can't be avoided ( checkins and checkouts behavior for example )
14:54 magnuse   one one my munin grpahs called "http loadtime of a page" shows the loadtime ~doubling after the upgrade
14:53 khall     the solution is to make a page do less ( at least on initial load )
14:53 khall     oleonard: to some extent that is true, I am of course over-generalizing
14:52 oleonard  If that's true khall then Koha will inevitably get slower and slower until it is unusable.
14:52 khall     I think a solid REST api which can be leveraged by Koha itself would help a lot for overall speed
14:51 khall     I think as a general rule Koha adds additional complexity over time which leads to more processing which leads to less speed overall.
14:50 magnuse   i suspect there is something amiss with my mysql config
14:50 magnuse   oleonard: my server has seen higher load and slower everything after the upgrade from 3.16.7 to 3.18.3. but apache and mysql were updated at the same time, so there are a few "moving parts"
14:49 khall     essentially, yes
14:48 Joubu     khall: using the same way as we do for C4::Context?
14:48 khall     and perhaps implement Koha::Cache for it
14:48 khall     Joubu: I suppose we could make the schema and resultsets package level vars and make it a singleton perhaps?
14:46 Joubu     could be related to 13645 too
14:45 oleonard  jcamins: Like I said, I'm not getting into that, but I would like serious discussion if anyone has any.
14:45 * jcamins goes to get some yogurt for breakfast.
14:45 jcamins   ... as long as someone who isn't me does it.
14:45 jcamins   It'll be awesome!
14:44 jcamins   oleonard: I suggest rewriting Zebra with pthreads.
14:44 oleonard  My library's experience of 3.16 over 3.14 is that searching is significantly slower.
14:43 oleonard  I don't want to throw fuel on an email thread by that "other paul," but is there something to his contention that searching in 3.18 is slower?
14:42 khall     I'll take a look at that
14:42 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller->search() performance / efficiency problems
14:42 Joubu     It was "khall: hi! Jacek have opened an interesting bug report (bug 13645). Do you have any idea on how could we do that in an elegant way?"
14:42 Joubu     khall: did you see my previous ping?
14:42 Joubu     khall: ok sent
14:40 khall     excellent!
14:40 Joubu     khall: ok I have a patch
14:38 Joubu     it added new breaklins
14:38 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8096 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , Card number twice on patron search results
14:38 Joubu     khall: it comes from b8989510ec8b6b58249707bf2ddc6cf80fbfef4d, bug 8096
14:35 Joubu     ho wait, I got it
14:32 Joubu     what do you search for?
14:31 khall     no errors in the js console or the error log either
14:30 khall     Joubu: I'm using the example patrons fwiw
14:30 Joubu     caused by non escaped char
14:30 khall     I cleared the cache multiple times
14:29 Joubu     Otherwise, it cans come from a bad formated json
14:29 khall     ok, I'll retest and figure out what the heck is going on
14:29 Joubu     could you confirm you correctly clean the cache?
14:29 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , DataTables server-side processing - guarantor search
14:29 Joubu     khall: I have retested bug 13021, and it looks ok here
14:28 khall     what's up?
14:28 Joubu     khall: around ?
14:22 drojf     hi cait and magnuse
14:18 magnuse   weird
14:18 cait      might be a new 3.18.3 not sure when we set it up
14:18 cait      but updated from 3.18.2 i think
14:17 cait      hm i tested in a new one
14:17 magnuse   works ok in one of my old, upgraded instances also running 3.18.3
14:14 magnuse   umlauts are garbled too
14:13 magnuse   looks ok in the db
14:13 magnuse   or did you mean Magnus? ;-)
14:13 magnuse   Håvard
14:12 cait      can you give me your name? :)
14:12 cait      äüö
14:12 cait      hm ok for umlauts here
14:11 magnuse   and the check out page
14:11 magnuse   the member detail page /cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=1
14:09 cait      which page are you looking at? i used umlauts in the name
14:09 cait      hm looking ok here
14:08 cait      but let me try
14:08 cait      not yet
14:08 magnuse   hm, on a completely fresh install of 3.18.3, when i enter a patron with "norwegian wovels", save and view the patron, the  they show as garbled text. anyone else seen that?
13:48 cait      hi oleonard
13:32 oleonard  Hi #koha
13:20 drojf     hi #koha
12:46 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha::Acquisition::Bookseller->search() performance / efficiency problems
12:46 Joubu     khall: hi! Jacek have opened an interesting bug report (bug 13645). Do you have any idea on how could we do that in an elegant way?
10:50 cait      i figured out a workaround - the probem is another script that comes as last and on click
10:48 paxed     cait: window.location.hash?
10:23 cait      hm found a workaround
10:01 cait      hm someone good with javacript regex?
09:16 cait      not very clean
09:16 cait      yeah
09:16 Joubu     What it certainly happen: the expiration date is not the same, depending on the page you use
09:15 cait      calculated
09:15 cait      to make it visually clear when we show a calculted date
09:14 cait      something for another bug maybe
09:14 cait      hm ok
09:14 Joubu     80         $subscription->{expirationdate} = $expirationdate;
09:14 Joubu     78         my $expirationdate = GetExpirationDate($subscriptionid);
09:14 Joubu     cait: it's what it's done, I think. On checkexpiration.pl, I see:
09:12 cait      it would be interesting to show the date the system calculated
09:12 cait      that's the confusing bit
09:12 cait      Joubu: i thik we display the subscription.enddate in the search result - but it is not used for the searhc
09:04 Joubu     it does like the code wants it to work...
09:02 cait      Joubu: so does it work... or does it not?
08:53 cait      still confused i think :)
08:53 Joubu     yes, using GetExpirationDate :p
08:52 Joubu     maybe it sounds complicated because of my English and I did not manage to explain correctly/easily...
08:52 cait      do we update the expiration date when we renew a subscription?
08:51 cait      sounds too complicated to work nicely
08:51 Joubu     s/do/to
08:51 Joubu     do know if it is expired or not
08:51 Joubu     and do some funny checks on length, frequency, etc.
08:50 Joubu     actually the algorithm in "check expiration" is really awful: retrieve all subscriptions from the DB (with title and isbn match, but if don't provide them, retrieve all sub...)
08:49 Joubu     cait: in the sub search, the check is done on subscription.end_date
08:48 cait      Joubu: can we do something to make it more clear? not sure i understand it yet myself
08:47 cait      ok, 2 filters, labelled the same, doing different htings?
08:45 Joubu     the enddate is not checked in these cases
08:45 Joubu     cait: actually it is in C4::Serials::GetExpirationDate, there are some check on the frequency, the number of issues, etc.
08:41 Joubu     funny...
08:41 Joubu     erk , does not work with 10/09/2014
08:39 cait      do the filters go on the same field?
08:39 cait      could you check something?
08:39 cait      hmm
08:38 cait      hmpf.
08:38 cait      i tried more than one time
08:38 cait      weird
08:38 Joubu     same, it works with the same example
08:38 cait      if you have to create a subscription, maybe you could try with the dates on the bug
08:37 cait      wonder if it's some weird logic and only some dates fail (you never know :( )
08:37 cait      thx :)
08:37 Joubu     ok, git checkout master and I retry :)
08:37 cait      ok - so we retest on master?
08:37 Joubu     cait: Ho! I wasn't! It was a 3.18.x too
08:37 cait      interesting, you are right, it works now here
08:36 cait      i tried with and without the patch
08:36 cait      Joubu: i did this mornign - but don't have a master here
08:36 cait      using expires before 01.01.2016 finds it
08:36 Joubu     cait: I tried on master
08:36 cait      ok, i am on the serial subscription page, using the filters to the left - the expiration date of the subscription is 1.3.2015
08:35 cait      (serial expiration)
08:35 cait      give me a second
08:35 cait      going to test again here in our 3.18.3
08:35 cait      ok
08:31 Joubu     cait: yep
08:29 cait      Joubu:  around?
08:29 cait      morning
08:17 gaetan_B  hello
08:05 fridolin  hie all
07:58 alex_a    bonjour
07:45 malik     Hello to All : I am working on Active Directory integration with koha. Can anyone have an idea about this that how to install AD on ubuntu because i have my koha on ubuntu and i don't have window server
07:38 * magnuse waves
07:38 reiveune  hello
04:08 huginn    dcook: The operation succeeded.
04:08 dcook     @later tell eythian Nevermind. I see that LWP.pm is included in libwww-perl, which you already have in koha-perldeps :)
04:06 dcook     Or it's part of libwww-perl...
04:04 dcook     I wonder if it's just part of LWP::UserAgent
04:04 dcook     Huh... LWP is there...
03:22 dcook     Don't think it's provided by anything else..
03:22 huginn    dcook: The operation succeeded.
03:22 dcook     @later tell eythian When you use EDS for your clients, do you turn LWP into a debian package? Or is it provided by a different one?
03:11 dcook     laters eythian
03:08 eythian   bye!
03:08 eythian   right, things pushed, now it's beer o'clock.
03:04 dcook     Learn something new everyday
03:03 dcook     "the FDA recommends 165 mg of iodine to prevent thyroid cancer in the event of a radiation emergency"
03:03 dcook     Apparently it's used as a preventative for breast cancer
03:02 wahanui   i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
03:02 dcook     Huh... interesting!
03:02 eythian   I think Finland did it around Chernobyl time
03:01 eythian   stock up on normal iodine, so that the radioactive stuff doesn't get absorbed into your thyroid causing cancer.
03:01 dcook     So what you're saying is... if I would've just taken him near a exploding reactor, I wouldn't have to pay $2000... ;)
03:01 dcook     Hmmm?
03:00 dcook     I wonder that too
03:00 dcook     As for the authority stuff...
03:00 eythian   that's the inverse of how you plan for nuclear fallout/exploding reactors.
03:00 dcook     One day I will visit Wellington though, especially on a Friday ;)
02:59 dcook     So they give you some radioactive iodine, which gets absorbed into the gland, and apparently the growth shrinks/is destroyed
02:59 eythian   ah yep
02:59 dcook     Same thing happens with humans.
02:59 dcook     Which apparently is caused by a cancerous growth in the thyroid gland.
02:59 dcook     Well, it's quite interesting. He has hyperthyroidism.
02:58 dcook     I forgot about the banana thing
02:58 dcook     hehe
02:58 dcook     Plus he'll be radioactive for a while so we're putting him up in boarding for a while
02:58 eythian   can't you just feed them a lot of bananas?
02:58 dcook     Nopes
02:58 eythian   ouch, not cheap.
02:58 dcook     Hopefully insurance will cover most of that though
02:58 dcook     Well, a radioactive capsule
02:57 dcook     Turns out giving your cat radiation therapy is about $2000
02:57 dcook     And possibly wait until we get some money back from these vet bills
02:57 dcook     I need to look at my vacation leave again...
02:57 dcook     hehe
02:54 eythian   wellington is nice this time of year, just sayin'...
02:53 * dcook   is jealous of the Catalyst folk and their booze
02:53 dcook     Mmm
02:49 eythian   my Japanese whiskey arrived today, which was handy too.
02:48 eythian   beer o'clock in 12 minutes, followed by whisk(e)y o'clock
02:42 eythian   maybe it's an old name to a new name
02:42 eythian   there's a few options like that
02:42 eythian   }
02:42 eythian   $attr = " \@attr 1=Heading ";
02:42 eythian   elsif ( @$tags[$i] eq "mainentry" ) {
02:42 eythian   I wonder why the authorities code makes one name to another:
02:33 dcook     :)
02:33 dcook     hehe
02:32 eythian   thanks for helping
02:32 wahanui   Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
02:32 eythian   oh, never mind
02:32 eythian   dcook: when you do an authority search,
02:07 * dcook   thumbs up
02:04 eythian   yeah, lets you use drawing primitives to output a png
02:04 dcook     That's not as amusing as I was thinking
02:04 dcook     Ah yeah. Something with barcodes it seems.
02:04 eythian   graphicsy things, iirc
02:04 dcook     Hehe. I don't know what "GD.pm" does, but I like its name
02:00 dcook     Yeah, I haven't bought anything from Amazon yet, but the time/shipping cost are the factors that would get me :/
01:58 eythian   usually the shipping cost is ridiculous at the same time
01:57 eythian   well, last time I did it
01:57 eythian   it takes forever to get amazon things to here.
01:56 dcook     Apparently it only takes 2 days to get something shipped from Amazon though :p
01:55 eythian   heh
01:54 * dcook   thinks it took the boat a while to get to Sydney
01:54 dcook     Oh wow... just received a bundle of Christmas presents from my grandmother
01:46 eythian   ok, ugly old authorities query now turned into a nicer hash form, now to turn that into an actual ES query.
01:39 dcook     Ah, righto
01:39 dcook     I guess you wouldn't necessarily want to be at the start or end..
01:39 eythian   it is, but there's a new release every 6 months
01:39 dcook     I thought it was 9 months of support?
01:39 eythian   6 months, but yeah
01:38 dcook     I suppose the average person doesn't want to upgrade every year
01:38 dcook     Makes sense
01:38 dcook     hehe
01:37 eythian   I tend to run the latest ubuntu for desktops, but I tend to recommend the latest LTS to other people, paradoxically/hyocritically.
01:36 dcook     Which reminds me I forgot to bring in my backup drive today..
01:36 dcook     I like 14.04 so far, but 14.10 has the latest Obnam...
01:36 dcook     Speaking of liw, I was thinking of you last night, eythian, as I was deciding which Ubuntu release to use
01:35 eythian   (well, it's mostly liw's update script, I've just change it a bit.)
01:35 eythian   no, my update script understands that things might be core
01:35 eythian   so, it's in perl
01:35 eythian   perl: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20.1/Data/Dumper.pm
01:35 eythian   $ dpkg -S Data/Dumper.pm
01:35 dcook     Hmm, I always figured DBI would be core
01:35 dcook     So that could get dicey
01:34 eythian   generally no
01:34 dcook     Or sometimes yes, sometimes no?
01:34 dcook     If it's in core, would it also have a debian package?
01:34 dcook     Mmm
01:34 eythian   update-control I meant
01:33 dcook     update-dependencies?
01:32 eythian   though, it makes my update-dependecies script run slower, but I probably shouldn't run it in a RAM constrained VM anyway.
01:32 dcook     Yeah, I'd almost prefer everything were listed
01:31 dcook     Nope, no harm at all
01:31 dcook     Yeah, it's core
01:31 eythian   there's no harm in listing them
01:31 eythian   oh, I see
01:31 eythian   or just everywhere...
01:31 eythian   innit core too?
01:31 dcook     Data::Dumper too
01:31 dcook     Hmm, we list a few core modules
01:28 dcook     That's cool
01:28 dcook     Ah, it turns out that CGI "is" listed in C4...PerlDeps
01:25 dcook     Well both :p
01:25 dcook     The C4::..PerlDeps thing that is
01:25 dcook     I'll keep that in mind :)
01:25 dcook     Yeah the database dependent ones seem suboptimal
01:25 eythian   if you add the modules to C4::..PerlDeps, then it'll just follow it around happily
01:24 eythian   Though the biggest issue I have is people making test cases that require a database to be present.
01:24 eythian   yeah, it's part of periodically building a master package, they can get spotted quickly.
01:22 dcook     So perhaps I'll just focus on making sure we track any extra modules we add locally...
01:22 dcook     Well, I figure any issues with Koha will find their way out individually rather than a big sweep..
01:22 dcook     Cool beans
01:21 dcook     Mmm, yeah, I think you've said that before
01:21 eythian   s/encourage/discourage/
01:21 eythian   sometimes it requires updating half the universe, sometimes they're not copyleft, etc.
01:20 eythian   I try to encourage people from just assuming I can make a package, as it's happened before that it's not always possible
01:20 eythian   sometimes fix it myself.
01:20 eythian   typically I just report a bug on it.
01:20 eythian   if it doesn't end up in there, then it'll fail.
01:20 eythian   debian/control is generated from C4::Installer::PerlDependencies
01:19 eythian   it depends
01:19 eythian   well
01:19 dcook     Then when something is missing you add it to koha_perl_deps.pl and make a deb package for it?
01:18 dcook     Ahh, that's good :)
01:18 eythian   my package builds are done in a cleanroom type environment, so if it doesn't end up in there, it'll fail.
01:18 dcook     I figure that must be it
01:17 eythian   could be it's pulled in as part of something else
01:16 dcook     But we do have URI in our system for some reason
01:16 dcook     Which is loaded by 00-load.tt
01:16 dcook     But it's used by PazPar2
01:16 dcook     And it's not core
01:16 dcook     I don't see "URI" in koha_perl_deps.pl
01:16 eythian   whaddaya mean?
01:15 dcook     eythian: I wonder if 00-load.tt just gets lucky sometimes?
01:14 dcook     Hmm
01:07 dcook     Ah, I see..
01:05 dcook     missed*
01:05 dcook     Hmm, I misised the PDF modules somehow..
01:04 dcook     Lots of egrep followed by an awk and a sort -u
01:04 dcook     And just ignoring Koha|C4|Sip|ILS atm
01:04 dcook     I'm sure I'm probably missing something somewhere though
01:04 dcook     Kinda handy
01:04 dcook     I just tried one of these "sh find-perl-modules.sh | xargs corelist"
01:03 dcook     Ah, but English is core
01:03 eythian   is English not core?
01:03 eythian   it's a test case to check that every module can be parsed.
01:03 dcook     Looks like "English" gets used by a few scripts as well
01:03 eythian   (but it does deliberately skip some things)
01:03 dcook     Oo what's 00-load.t?
01:03 eythian   as the 00-load.t will fail
01:03 dcook     At the moment, I'm just grepping the hell out of everything
01:03 eythian   although, if in general, they'll get picked up when I do builds
01:02 dcook     I'm not sure how one would go about it
01:02 dcook     Agreed
01:02 eythian   it would be interesting to have something that scans what modules are used that aren't included in the dependency list
00:59 dcook     I might just make a bug for this... or maybe email the listserv..
00:58 dcook     Looks like Try::Tiny is also used in EDS and a maintenance script
00:57 dcook     Double-checking deps and what not
00:57 eythian   ah, ok
00:57 dcook     Ah, I'm not working on it. I'm just looking at what modules are being loaded up by stuff
00:57 eythian   but it'll involve genericising all that stuff
00:57 eythian   I can't remember the exact scope though
00:57 eythian   talk to rangi if you're working on that, he's going to be doing some work with it some time soon probably
00:56 dcook     It looks like it uses "LWP"
00:56 dcook     Hmm... what's support like for EDS?
00:47 dcook     hehe
00:43 eythian   https://i.imgur.com/5zuupyE.jpg
00:43 dcook     Some day I'll look at query parsing again..
00:42 dcook     Oooh. That's nice :)
00:41 eythian   no having to parse free-form search queries
00:41 eythian   this makes life easier
00:41 eythian   I had a realisation the other day that authority searching is a /lot/ more strict than biblio searching.
00:39 * eythian ignores that for now and gets back to authority searching
00:39 eythian   oh, the ILS.pm in Sip looks interesting
00:38 dcook     Sweet as
00:38 dcook     Ah, that's part of the bug too
00:38 dcook     That's also for SIP it seems
00:37 dcook     There is "use ILS" somewhere... not sure what that's for yet
00:37 eythian   that's the one
00:37 dcook     But yay for bug 7904
00:37 * dcook   shudders
00:37 dcook     oai.pl
00:36 eythian   something like that does that anyway
00:36 eythian   no, ilsdi I think crams a bunch of packages into one file
00:36 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Passed QA , SIP modules handling of @INC is confused
00:36 dcook     Hmm nope... must be something else
00:36 eythian   see also bug 7904
00:36 dcook     Looks like the ILSDI stuff might do that as well?
00:36 dcook     I didn't know that we did that :S
00:35 eythian   it's its own little namespace
00:35 eythian   yeah
00:34 dcook     C4/SIP/Sip I suppose..
00:34 dcook     C4::Sip::Sip is actually packaged just as Sip...
00:33 dcook     Hmm
00:33 dcook     True dat
00:33 * eythian only cares about dependencies in packages. Anything more becomes a larger headache.
00:32 dcook     I wonder if koha_perl_deps would benefit from listing whether or not the module is a core module...
00:32 dcook     Which isn't a big deal of course
00:32 dcook     We other suckers would need it in koha_perl_deps.pl as well
00:31 dcook     Only for packages though
00:31 eythian   I can special case that though, by doing something like 'depends: perl (<5.22) | libcgi-perl'
00:30 dcook     Yeah
00:30 eythian   it's on its way to being non-core
00:30 dcook     I suppose we could just add that later of course..
00:30 dcook     But isn't CGI on its way out?
00:30 dcook     I mean... we don't include modules that in koha_perl_deps, which are part of the core
00:30 dcook     I was wondering about that a bit...
00:30 eythian   oh right
00:29 dcook     It lets you know whether or not a Perl module is part of the core :)
00:29 eythian   what's that?
00:29 dcook     That's neat
00:29 dcook     Ooo just learned about "corelist"