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23:56 dcook Well, I guess it's already been out and about for a week or so now?
23:55 dcook Huh... hadn't heard about GHOST today... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/28/ghost_linux_megavuln_analysis/
23:22 wnickc yay!
23:21 eythian excellent, I know how to fix that then.
23:21 eythian yep, that's what I thought
23:21 wnickc 0.03-1~koha1 0
23:20 eythian wnickc: can you do apt-cache policy libmodule-bundled-files-perl and copy the full version number
23:19 eythian maybe
23:19 eythian ...
23:19 eythian I know what's going on
23:19 eythian oh!
23:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , libclass-isa-perl should be a dependency
23:18 wnickc bug 13639
23:11 wnickc shall do
23:10 eythian if you don't mind
23:10 wnickc want me to submit a bug?
23:10 eythian I think maybe we should make koha depend on that for safety
23:10 eythian I guess it's a bug in libmodule-bundled-files-perl, the current debian version depends on libblass-isa-perl
23:09 eythian no problem
23:09 wnickc thanks eythian
23:08 wnickc installing libclass-isa-perl that is
23:08 wnickc that fixed it all
23:07 eythian though, Module::Bundled::Files should depend on that if it needs it
23:07 eythian I wonder if there's a missing dependency somewhere
23:07 eythian try installing libclass-isa-perl
23:07 eythian hmm
23:06 wahanui i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
23:06 wnickc packages
23:06 eythian how have you installed koha?
23:06 wnickc hm
23:05 wnickc can't locate class/isa.pm
23:02 eythian does: perl -MModule::Bundled::Files -e '' say nothing, or say an error?
23:00 wnickc anyone know why koha 3.18.3 form packages might not be seeing Module::Bundled::Files on Ubuntu 14.04? or why plugins might not be loading?
22:44 rangi right better go entertain the kids
22:28 eythian [off] cait: 12126
22:27 wahanui i guess bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
22:27 cait eythian: bug?
22:27 eythian eh, they're both right, just talking a bit at cross purposes, it'll resolve itself.
22:26 rangi [off] dunno, someone recently commented on, i deleted the email so i wouldnt respond
22:25 cait [off] which bug?
22:22 rangi [off] also not sure picking a fight with the person who knows the most about SIP is the best way to get your SIP fixed, not you mtj, the recent commenter
22:22 dcook Of course, I upgraded from it ages ago myself. I bet we still have a server or two out in the wild running it..
22:22 dcook Neato burrito: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/
22:22 dcook Huh, I didn't know Squeeze was LTS
22:21 rangi i dont want to make a zillion keywords
22:21 rangi mtj: if its just for you, use tags
22:03 wnickc purely theoretical vacations can leave a bad taste in your mouth
21:50 eythian I wonder if mtj actually stuck out his tongue in response to that
21:46 mtj aah, ok :p all good
21:42 wizzyrea theoretically rangi is on holiday.
21:42 mtj i really need some 3.16.x keywords added to BZ, so i can track bugs for my upcoming 3.16.x releases
21:41 mtj rangi: about?
21:41 mtj hmm, i think i know that q already
21:40 mtj peeps, a bugzilla Q... how should i be tagging bugs for my 3.16.x releases?
21:33 wahanui http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif
21:33 wizzyrea tl;dr?
21:33 eythian yeah, definitely
21:25 mtj ..i think its great that squeeze is LTS, but i dont think we should be obligated to support Koha on squeeze for that long, too
21:22 mtj yeah, fair enough
21:13 eythian I just want to a) upgrade all my servers that are still squeeze to wheezy/jessie when it's out, and b) remove support for squeeze.
21:13 eythian It's unlikely that's going to happen
21:12 eythian cait: oh, he wants an updated DBIx::Class in squeeze
21:12 cait morning eythian
21:12 cait cryptic
21:11 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:11 eythian @later tell tcohen probably not, I think I tried with some part of it once and it ended up having to update half of the modules on the system.
21:11 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:11 eythian @later tcohen probably not, I think I tried with some part of it once and it ended up having to update half of the modules on the system.
21:09 wahanui hey, eythian
21:09 eythian hi
20:52 mtj ah ok, that would work :p
20:52 wnickc it's on our test site so I can check
20:51 mtj i want to confirm whether other koha/OD systems have it, too
20:51 mtj specifically a bug ive bumped into
20:50 wnickc mtj: about the integratrion?
20:48 mtj ..any other bywater folk on #koha, know about OD?
20:47 cait hi mtj :)
20:47 mtj hi all
20:47 mtj ping bag_away, khall_away for an overdrive Q
20:29 wnickc thanks cait
20:29 cait at least last time i tested :)
20:29 cait half charge
20:28 wnickc does anyone know how a fine will be calulcated if the fines cap is not a multiple of the fine amount? i.e. We charge $10 a day with a max of $75. Will the final day be a half charge, or will it stop at $70
17:57 gaetan_B bye
17:56 cait heya bag :)
17:53 bag caits_co_workers++
17:53 cait :)
17:53 oleonard Silly bug, easy fix
17:53 cait my coworkers are testing 3.18 - finding things i never noticed
17:52 cait :)
17:52 cait oleonard++ thx
17:42 JoeLib001 Well, it's not indexing for me. I'll beat my head against the correct Brick Wall now.
17:41 JoeLib001 Yeah.., Zebra's Broken... XD
17:29 JoeLib001 Hmm..., actually looks like Zebra's broken.... XD
17:18 fridolin see u
17:04 JoeLib001 Now, I can search for the order in Acquisitions, but I can't search for the Record in the Catalog.
17:03 JoeLib001 I had set the Acquisitions Records to Hide from the OPAC, but I was able to search for them from the Staff Client. I was also able to pull them in from Z39.50 on a different Client.
17:02 JoeLib001 Did something change regarding Acquisitions Records and the Catalog? Or perhaps hiding records?
17:01 JoeLib001 I am having troubles with finding an Acquisitions Record using the Catalog.
17:01 JoeLib001 Hello. :-)
16:06 reiveune bye
15:56 ashimema hi tcohen
15:22 tcohen hi cait
15:20 cait hi tcohen
15:18 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:18 tcohen @later tell eythian is it possible to backport te newer DBIx::Class to Squeeze?
14:44 Joubu thanks
14:42 cait commented on the bug too
14:41 cait those already include the translations- so they also make no sense in lots of copies
14:41 cait i think there is a patch from bernardo doing something like this for the lanugage sql files somewhere
14:41 cait but if we do this, we should get rid of the sql files in the translated directories
14:40 cait yep, just needs a bit more thought
14:40 Joubu :)
14:40 Joubu so it's possible :
14:39 Joubu ok
14:39 Joubu cait: the sysprefs.sql file in installed, why it couldn't be possible for others?
14:38 cait also it will break some sql reports people have - but those can be fixed
14:38 cait Joubu: currntly if the file is not in the translated installer directory it won't get installed (no fallback uatomatically)
14:37 cait Joubu: i think deleting the sql files is not possible unless you build a fallback like we have for the sysprefs
14:36 cait looking
14:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13637 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make the permission's descriptions translatable in template
14:35 Joubu On bug 13637, Could my proposition work or I missed something?
14:06 cait fridolin: hope it works now ;)
13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9351 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , item type not recorded correctly in statistics for returns and some local use
13:55 fridolin "The show must go on" for Bug 9351
13:29 DanSwano I'll try to delete them manually
13:28 cait i think there was a patch for deleting patrons in batch, but not sure it made itin hm
13:28 cait maybe you can also use the patron batch edit... not sure if that can delete yet
13:27 DanSwano oh, 50 sample users
13:26 cait you can do a search for %
13:26 DanSwano how can I display all users?
13:25 cait then you can delete the libraries from the gui
13:25 cait you'd have to run that first and get them all deleted
13:25 cait there is a script do delete patrons i think
13:25 cait not an easy way
13:25 cait personally i thik the labels sample data and the authorised values are quite useful
13:25 DanSwano cait, there is no other way?
13:25 cait or select only some of the sample data
13:24 cait but keep the mandatory
13:24 cait and from the optional data don't select the sample libraries and patrons
13:24 cait i think the easiest way would be to do it once more
13:23 DanSwano so web installer adds some libraries like Franklin, we don't needs these libraries but I can't delete its because tere are patrons registered there. How can I solve this situation?
13:21 DanSwano cait, I understand
13:21 cait if you want to fix them you could send us the patches
13:21 cait if they are not actively maintained
13:21 cait sometimes the other languages (not en) get out of sync
13:20 cait the web installer files are sql files
13:20 cait DanSwano: hm that might be the reason of hte problems earlier
12:55 DanSwano right before when I install koha, I added RU lang before web install and then I seen all messages in Russian. Also there was item types in Russian too, but now all are in English so I should translate them into Russian. How can I add Russian sample data?
12:51 DanSwano cait, ok, will see
12:51 cait so I'd go with the standard file and not modify it for now
12:51 cait there is a standard file in koha that works nicely for us with hebrew
12:50 cait you don't need the arabic rules of course
12:50 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records
12:50 cait i think this might help
12:50 wahanui i think cait, is there anyway in the koha admin interface to import serials for magazine publication for instance?
12:50 DanSwano cait, where?
12:50 cait it's needed to search non-latin scripts
12:49 cait you might wnt to look into setting up ICU
12:49 cait hm one more thing
12:46 DanSwano cait, I am a sysadmin so our library staff will try to work with it :)
12:46 magnuse cait++
12:45 cait have fun with your Koha :)
12:45 DanSwano cait, thank you!
12:45 cait all the translations are stored in .po files that are updated witht he release of the versions from what has been done on translate.koha...
12:44 cait DanSwano: you can get an account for translate.koha-community.org and help translating
12:44 DanSwano sorry, the last question is answered
12:40 DanSwano and why after koha-translate --install ru-RU I cannot see the panel with language select?
12:39 DanSwano cait, how can I correct errors in the Russian language file?
12:38 cait normally you will only need to work witht he superlibrairan that you now can hopefully create :)
12:38 cait it's kind of a super user that should only be used in special circumstances
12:38 cait but if you want to, i think changing it in the koha-conf.xml file and then also in mysql for the database
12:38 DanSwano cait, ok
12:37 cait DanSwano: you normally keep the one that is generated - it's not used later, only for updates
12:36 DanSwano how can I change the password for koha_lib?
12:35 DanSwano now I try to add ru-RU lang
12:35 cait good sign!
12:34 DanSwano yes! the "userflags" table is filled!
12:33 DanSwano just a moment
12:33 cait can you see if the userflags is ok now?
12:33 cait oh
12:33 cait for the problem you saw with permissions the mandatory shoudl be enough - but the optional should not cause problems
12:33 DanSwano Hmm! Now everything are imported without an errors
12:32 DanSwano all mandatory checkboxes are already checked so I'm checking an optional checkboxes
12:30 cait make sure that the one for the permissions is checked especially
12:30 cait just keep in mind that those have to match - the file and what you pick, it will save you headache
12:30 DanSwano then I select all sample data
12:30 cait good :)
12:30 cait and yes, just keep it to default maybe or use 'check all' at he top
12:30 DanSwano I've picked unimarc
12:30 cait did you pick unimarc or marc21?
12:29 DanSwano so what now? select default settings?
12:29 DanSwano yes, after install there was "marc21"
12:28 cait so let's continue with unimarc here
12:28 cait yep
12:28 ashimema well that's good DanSwano.. means you've already made the right change there.
12:28 ashimema hmm.. sounds like a bug to me that the package asks the user what marc version in the web installer.. if it then goes behind the scenes and sets other stuff to marc21 hardcoded.
12:28 DanSwano cait, koha-sites.conf? ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="unimarc" written there
12:27 ashimema indeed.. you are right cait.
12:27 cait DanSwano: could you take a look at the file on your system to see if there it states marc21 or unimarc?
12:26 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
12:26 ashimema I'd imagine that all the stuff in koha-conf.xml that relates to marc21 should end up as a unimarc instead
12:25 cait i think i mean this one /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
12:25 paxed okay, wtf. linking bibs to auth made a link from 651a ("Peru") to topical term "perro sin pelo del perú"
12:25 ashimema Joubu.. do you know the answer to caits question?
12:25 ashimema I'm not exactly sure to be honest cait..
12:25 DanSwano cait, yes, I'm waiting
12:24 cait DanSwano: wait a quick second maybe - let's make sure we have it matching first
12:24 cait ashimema: can you give the name of the file where it states what marc flavour is used?
12:24 DanSwano cait, I'm not an expert in this area, let's repeat with MARC21
12:24 ashimema yup.. what cait said
12:23 ashimema I'm not aware of anyone running koha from packages using Unimarc.. i can't see it affecting your error.. but worth mentioning
12:23 cait it's probably not related tot he issue with permissions- but good to know to avoid other problems later
12:23 cait so search works correctly later
12:23 cait so that's something you shoudl check and also the format you picked in your instance config file should match what you pick here
12:22 DanSwano if it helps to locate a problem
12:22 cait and the use differes from coutnry to country - so it's good to check so you don't have problems later interchanging data or downloading/reusing data from other catalogs
12:22 DanSwano well, I can try MARC21
12:22 cait DanSwano: the 'problem' is that both formats are quite different
12:22 DanSwano I know that many institutes and univercities using unimarc but I am not familiar with library software
12:20 ashimema but then I'm no expert by any means
12:20 ashimema they're in russia
12:20 ashimema skolkovo universtiy is using Marc21
12:20 cait ah don't know about russia, but did you check which is the common flavour in your area?
12:20 DanSwano cait, Russia
12:19 cait why are you picking unimarc? where are you located?
12:19 cait DanSwano: quick check
12:19 cait marcelr++
12:19 DanSwano MARC flavor: unimarc
12:19 DanSwano Now I install basic configuration settings
12:18 DanSwano Step 3: Database tables created
12:17 DanSwano User koha_lib has all required privileges on database koha_lib.
12:17 DanSwano Step 2: Database koha_lib exists.
12:17 DanSwano All dependencies installed.
12:16 DanSwano step 1: language - English
12:16 DanSwano and then I go to the web installer
12:13 wahanui i already had it that way, DanSwano.
12:13 DanSwano Starting Zebra server for lib
12:13 DanSwano [ ok ] Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
12:13 DanSwano Koha instance is empty, no staff user created.
12:13 DanSwano 2. koha-create --create-db lib
12:10 DanSwano the koha_lib database has been removed
12:10 DanSwano 1. koha-remove lib
12:07 ashimema :)
12:06 DanSwano wait a bit
12:05 ashimema that's the right one :)
12:05 DanSwano I use http://debian.koha-community.org/koha stable main
12:04 wahanui i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:04 ashimema packages?
12:04 ashimema the koha-common package should be fine.. which repo are you following.. stable I hope?
12:04 ashimema give us any errors that pop out :)
12:04 DanSwano should I reinstall koha-common package?
12:04 wahanui i think koha-create is part of the package :)
12:04 ashimema koha-create..
12:04 ashimema make sure the database is actually deleted using mysql cli
12:04 wahanui it has been said that koha-remove is for removing instances.
12:04 ashimema koha-remove..
12:03 cait you can paste the results here paste.koha-community.org
12:03 DanSwano I can repeat the process
12:03 cait yeah, that's an intersting bit
12:03 ashimema what errors?
12:03 DanSwano cait, yes. Both times there was some errors
12:02 cait and ran the web installer again?
12:02 cait hm
11:50 DanSwano cait, yes, I already run web installer and select all checkboxes. Then I deleted all base using koha-remove and create it again via koha-create
11:17 cait DanSwano: i'd suggest starting fresh creating a new instance and making sure that the mandatory sample data are all installed
11:05 cait did you run the web installer in the browser?
11:04 cait it means you are missing some of the mandatory data that shoudl be installed by the web installer
11:04 cait hm that's not good
11:04 DanSwano cait, that table is empty
11:03 cait hm maybe take a look if there are entries in userflags table
11:02 magnuse tiffintime!
10:59 DanSwano cait, I can use mysql cli client
10:58 DanSwano cait, yes, a little bit
10:58 cait are you familiar with sql?
10:58 cait the permissions are stored in the database...wonder if there is something wrog with that
10:57 DanSwano cait, I already tried, no matter
10:57 cait try switching to english, does it make a difference for the permissions page?
10:57 cait hm
10:57 DanSwano cait, yes, using apt-get. Installation was done in English and then I add Russian
10:56 cait DanSwano: in which language did you install?
10:56 cait DanSwano: did you install using packages?
10:54 ashimema I'll open a bug with a reversion patch.. (I'm betting it won't revert cleanly this far down the line ;) )
10:53 ashimema Nice spot Joubu..
10:53 ashimema ooh..
10:53 Joubu (C4::Auth cleaning stuff)
10:53 Joubu ashimema: I have just found commit 0f5dc609e0d94e804869b5994ba2b19bc97980ac, maybe it could be reverted
10:50 paxed importing auths and deleting unwanted ones needs too many reindexings before they show up correctly.
10:49 DanSwano Hello! I'm sorry for my bad English. I'm trying to make a fresh install Koha 3.18.03 on Wheezy. When I log in as koha_lib user, the system warns that I should create a patron with superlibrarian rights. I create patron category "Admin" with type "staff" and then I create a patron in "Admin" category. But when I try to set permissions I see empty page with "Save" and "Cancel" buttons, why?
10:49 ashimema :)
10:46 magnuse paxed: good
10:46 Joubu ashimema: yes, I was on it, so easy to do :)
10:45 ashimema you beat me to it ;)
10:45 ashimema Cheers for rebasing the SIP INC patch against that other passed qa sip bug Joubu.. was about to pester ColinC for that ;)
10:43 paxed magnuse: yes, indeed, i did use -a
10:34 sophie_m :)
10:34 cait sophie_m: i will check your story about the bright thing in march :) it better is still there then!
10:33 sophie_m s/braight/bright/
10:33 cait hmmm
10:33 sophie_m no, braight sun and blue sky today :)
10:32 cait sophie_m: is this just a trick to lure us to MArseille?
10:32 huginn sophie_m: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 8.8°C (11:31 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
10:32 sophie_m @wunder Marseille
10:32 sophie_m cait : it's here :)
10:31 * magnuse neither
10:31 cait hm... i don't believe in your shiny thing
10:31 drojf i saw a shiny thing an hour ago. somebody called it "sun". it's gone again though
10:30 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 4.0°C (11:20 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
10:30 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:30 magnuse s/Rain/Snow - big, wet chunks of it/
10:30 * cait waves too
10:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (11:20 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 28.85 in 977 hPa (Falling).
10:29 magnuse @wunder boo
10:29 * magnuse goes looking for his skis
10:29 magnuse ooh, that is tempting
10:29 * akafred waves back and invites magnuse to come to Oslo after work for 'wurst' and beer
10:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13432 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP Server does not respect timeout setting
10:26 magnuse bug 13432
10:26 * magnuse waves at akafred
10:07 cait thx :)
10:04 Joubu1 cait: yep
10:04 cait Joubu1: i saw that you worked on oneof the sip patches, could you maybe take on 13432 too?
10:02 cait i went by the change date after working on some of the bugs
10:02 cait might finish that first
10:02 cait i think i started work on the order creator search last night
10:02 cait yeah i saw there are some more
10:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Refactor VAT and price calculation - basketgroup page
10:01 Joubu1 cait: actually only bug 12975 is in the qa queue
10:01 cait i will try to look at more tax things tonight :)
10:01 cait ok, then we can drop this here
10:01 cait yay
10:00 Joubu1 cait: tested on the super_tax_rewrite_branch and the total column looks good (i.e. actual cost is used)
09:59 ashimema I reckon he will :)
09:57 cait ashimema: yep i think so, hope srdjan agrees too :)
09:55 cait the total seems to either show estimated or actual, is that possible? but the amount only looks at the estimated
09:55 cait yeah, but it lists the actual cost aboe
09:52 Joubu1 it's the estimated cost
09:52 Joubu1 cait: 39 = 27+12
09:47 cait maybe we could just check how thte total amount is calculated? if it uses the actual or estimated?
09:47 cait but i think it's inc inc
09:46 cait can't check right now :(
09:45 Joubu1 cait: what is the conf of the supplier?
09:44 cait gah confusing :)
09:42 cait hope that makes sense
09:42 cait hm the sum is the sum of the estimated costs, but we don't show the sum of the actual costs
09:42 cait instead of the actual cost
09:41 cait i think it's showing the amounts from the est cost
09:41 cait Joubu: i don't see where the rounding problem could happen
09:41 cait Joubu - still weird in this case - no taxes and even amounts
09:41 ashimema I think that's enough consensus cait
09:40 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
09:40 ashimema awesome..
09:40 gaetan_B cait: ok, after some reading i think i share your opinion, which you seem to be sharing with ashimema: if one item is set to force, then it's item-level hold for all the items attached to the record
09:35 Joubu1 makes sense?
09:35 Joubu1 so it does not appear in all cases
09:34 Joubu1 cait: it a rounding problem I think
09:33 cait but there the amount is right?
09:33 cait i think the old screenshots show the same order
09:33 cait the weird thing is
09:32 Joubu1 cait: If it is the same before and after the patch, try to keep in mind this example for next patches :)
09:32 cait ah sorry, missed that i had some old ones on it too :)
09:31 Joubu1 not*
09:31 Joubu1 cait: ha, did look at the correct screenshot!
09:31 cait but it says 39
09:31 cait and the total shoudl add up to 40
09:31 cait which would be 40 here
09:30 cait Joubu: and we don't show the amount of the actual costs anywhere
09:30 cait and oneof the itemtypes is set to 'force item level hold'
09:30 cait theo pen question is: what happens when the record has items with different itemtypes
09:29 cait gaetan_B: start at the bottom maybe
09:29 gaetan_B cait: the history is indeed *very* long, what is the exact question input is needed on now ?
09:29 cait it doesn't fit the amounts over it
09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13320 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Some prices calculation are done in template side
09:28 Joubu1 cait: what's wrong with total on your screenshot? (bug 13320)
09:28 cait i hope we can get it in now
09:28 cait it's been one of those with a looong history
09:27 cait gaetan_B: it is :)
09:26 gaetan_B yes this sounds very interesting indeed
09:26 gaetan_B oooooh
09:26 * gaetan_B reading it
09:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix
09:26 gaetan_B about bug 5786 ?
09:24 Joubu1 maybe gaetan_B has an opinion about this :)
09:23 ashimema that being the issue
09:23 ashimema I don't have time to do it 'properly'
09:23 cait don't figt it...:P
09:23 ashimema add an api route for it is proving 'intersting'
09:23 ashimema I'm currently fighting the urge to clean up the account code
09:22 ashimema but we've never had the commitment to work on it ;)
09:22 cait my first comment: 2011-12-20 20:44:27
09:22 ashimema hehe.. us too
09:22 cait actually i have wanted this one for years... if you scroll up in history of it :(
09:22 cait but i want it :)
09:22 cait yeah - i really hope we didn't miss something
09:21 ashimema it's an awesome feature
09:21 ashimema I think so.
09:21 cait yeah maybe one more - and if we don't get another idea go with it?
09:20 ashimema I think we both agree on it cait.. just need some other opinions
09:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix
09:15 cait bug 5786
09:14 cait everyone around, could you help solve the missing piece on the allowonshelfholds bug? :)
09:12 mtj thanks Joubu1, ill aim to get it added to next release
09:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search
09:08 Joubu1 mtj: (just to be sure) did you see my comment on bug 13458?
09:08 mtj np
09:07 ashimema hmm.. I left colin to that one.. I'll ask him to show up here.. but he's not online yet this morning
09:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12126 is not accessible.
09:05 mtj it seems to be a similar situ. to this SEC bug 12126
09:05 ashimema interesting.. we've not delved all that deep yet.. but I'd be happy to rubber duck with you if it helps ;)
09:05 mtj i just wanna confirm whether other people have hit it too
09:04 mtj we've hit a slightly weird od/koha auth issue.. looks like its a koha sip bug?
09:04 ashimema what's up mtj?
09:04 ashimema we've played with it mtj.. but are yet to have a customer go live on it..
09:03 drojf hi #koha
09:03 mtj bywater/catalyst/ptfs-europe ?
09:02 mtj anyone here running any koha/overdrive setups?
09:02 mtj hi all
08:58 ashimema morning cait
08:58 cait hi #koha
08:41 * Joubu1 is going to get some more tea
08:40 wahanui Joubu1: I forgot that
08:40 Joubu1 forget that
08:40 Joubu1 That's *not* what it does
08:40 fridolin o_O
08:40 fridolin Joubu1: but your patch does not not edit neworderempty.pol
08:39 Joubu1 sorry...
08:39 Joubu1 fridolin: no, that's not what is does :)
08:39 magnuse paxed: you indexed with the -a flag, right? (sometimes its the obvious things... ;-)
08:37 * magnuse waves
08:37 Joubu1 fridolin: ok, that's what my patch does
08:33 fridolin items are created when ordering
08:32 Joubu1 fridolin: what is the value of AcqCreateItem?
08:31 Joubu1 fridolin: ok, I didn't get it
08:30 gaetan_B hello
08:29 fridolin but this parameter does not exist un template
08:29 fridolin ( $biblionumber, $bibitemnum ) = AddBiblio( $marcrecord, $params->{'frameworkcode'} );
08:29 fridolin $params->{'frameworkcode'} or $params->{'frameworkcode'} = "";
08:29 fridolin in neworderempty, record creation uses the frameworkcode parameter :
08:28 fridolin Joubu1: yes but new record will be created with default framework, not ACQ
08:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Allow default values from the ACQ framework to be used when creating a record in acquisitions
08:26 Joubu1 fridolin: bug 12743
08:23 Joubu1 fridolin: there is a patch ;)
08:17 fridolin I have a question about acquisition module : when creating a new order from empty, the default framework is used exept for items fields. Shouldn't ACQ framework be used for other fields also ?
08:05 fridolin hie all
08:02 reiveune hi ashimema
08:01 wahanui hi, alex_a
08:01 alex_a bonjour
08:01 ashimema hi reiveune
08:00 reiveune hello
07:25 ashimema morning
06:18 dcook That would help :)
06:15 paxed hm. maybe the -r flag to rebuild_zebra
06:14 paxed even after reindex.
06:14 * paxed is wondering why zebra still insists on returning non-existent auth records on auth search.
06:12 dcook I have to run, but feel free to leave me your input, paxed :)
06:12 dcook I would definitely like more input from translators for that one
06:12 dcook That probably sounds rather vague..
06:12 dcook paxed: I was thinking of just using the hash as a mechanism, and using a separate file still for the translating.
06:10 paxed dcook: iirc, a giant hash is ugly to translate, as the translation toolchain just gets the hash int oa single msgid in the po-files
05:07 dcook The sky looks like it's clearing a bit too
05:07 dcook Yeah, it's not bad
05:07 dcook Hmm, seems our weather fortunes have reversed
05:07 eythian 20 would be nice
05:06 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (3:30 PM AEDT on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
05:06 dcook @wunder syd
05:06 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 27.0°C (5:30 PM NZDT on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
05:06 eythian @wunder nzwn
04:44 dcook Doesn't sound like a bad idea
04:44 eythian I should water the plants at my place
04:44 eythian we're supposed to have a bit of rain this evening, but I'd be surprised.
04:43 dcook I figured I'd leave my umbrella, because really... what's the chance it's going to rain in the next 5 minutes since it's been raining for 2 days straight?
04:43 dcook On the plus side, I missed the rain when I went to get food
04:43 eythian yeah
04:43 dcook Less good
04:43 dcook That seems...
04:42 dcook O_o
04:42 eythian in authority searching, it's all one step
04:42 dcook yep
04:42 eythian in biblio searching, you make a query, and then run the searcher with that query
04:42 dcook I'm just going to stop talking now
04:42 dcook Mind you, I suppose I automatically assume that the round peg is smaller than the square hole...
04:41 dcook I have no idea what you're talking about, but I always figured it was easier to put a round peg in a square hole than a square peg in a round hole
04:40 eythian that's probably a better idea
04:40 eythian or it'll stash the values somewhere
04:40 eythian in the thunking to the original code, it'll just be a noop on the query building
04:40 eythian i.e. where you generate a query, and then search with that query
04:39 * eythian will attempt to fit a round peg into a square hole and make them a bit more similar.
04:39 dcook me either
04:38 eythian which shouldn't surprise me.
04:38 * eythian notes that the design of authority searching is very different to that of biblio searching.
04:38 dcook I think tcohen has an idea for what he might prefer anyway
04:38 eythian fair enough :)
04:38 dcook Yeah, I'm not working on it anymore today :p
04:38 eythian with the cases
04:38 dcook ah
04:37 eythian leave it the way you have it
04:37 dcook leave which?
04:37 eythian it's modular enough it can be changed later if wanted
04:37 eythian tbh I'd probably leave it as is for now
04:37 eythian yeah, but it doesn't do a big if/else comparison, it converts the key to a value and then just does an array lookup on that value
04:37 dcook I suppose the thing to do is loop through the main permissions
04:36 dcook Or doing the lookup somehow
04:36 dcook Right, but you'd need to be testing it
04:36 eythian well, a hash isn't an if/else, it's like a keyed database
04:34 dcook Actually, a lot of member-flags.tt and member-flags.pl should probably be re-written
04:32 dcook wth...
04:31 dcook if/elsif/else
04:31 dcook Although then it's still just a big if/else, no?
04:31 dcook Possibly
04:31 dcook The hash could work though
04:31 dcook Yeah, it didn't seem the most optimal, but it's what sprang to mind first.
04:15 eythian dcook: is a giant case statement the best way? Is it possible to have a hash or something perhaps? This may impact translatablility, so it's just a thought.
04:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13631 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Permission description wrong for catalogue and staffaccess
04:10 dcook bug 13631 will change the description once we decide on a better way of managing the permission descriptions...
04:10 dcook There's my shot at it :)
04:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Use a translateable file instead of the database for managing permission descriptions
04:09 dcook bug 13632
03:59 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:59 eythian no wahanui, internet explorer is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/3B0pt3M.jpg
03:59 dcook get_all_subpermissions() is the only whacky one..
03:59 wahanui eythian: internet explorer =is= https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1236471_10151582918166526_280952799_n.png
03:59 eythian wahanui: literal internet explorer
03:59 wahanui i guess internet explorer is https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1236471_10151582918166526_280952799_n.png
03:59 eythian wahanui: internet explorer
03:57 dcook Ah wait haspermission() looks OK after all...
03:56 dcook How long is a piece of string?
03:56 dcook How does it go...
03:56 eythian heh
03:56 dcook eythian: This is why we're still storing permission descriptions in the database :p
03:55 dcook Hmm... haspermission() doesn't look right...
03:54 eythian https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Locale-Maketext/lib/Locale/Maketext/TPJ13.pod
03:43 dcook Oh... oh that's where it is used
03:42 dcook Well, I guess member-flags.pl would also use it..
03:41 * dcook grumbles
03:41 dcook No... probably for that
03:41 dcook Maybe not even then..
03:41 dcook I don't think it does for anything except truthiness
03:41 dcook I really don't see why C4::Auth even uses `permissions.description`...
03:39 dcook Oh the temptation...
03:39 dcook hehe
03:39 eythian if you want to nuke C4::Auth and rewrite it to be tidy, I wouldn't object.
03:38 dcook It's used in C4::Auth :S
03:38 dcook Aha! Good thing I didn't just nuke `permissions.description`
03:36 dcook I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash, I suppose
03:36 dcook Ah, fair enough
03:36 jcamins I don't have a Koha installation so I can't check.
03:36 dcook It looks perfectly sensible.
03:35 dcook Does it work for you now?
03:35 jcamins Yeah, I wrote it.
03:35 dcook jcamins: I was wondering if you wrote it. It said Owen, but I figured that might be a bootstrap thing...
03:34 jcamins The block worked fine for me when I wrote it.
03:34 jcamins dcook: how odd.
03:31 dcook At the moment, I'm just checking to see if we could nuke `permissions.description`
03:29 dcook tcohen: Well, I'll post my patch, but happy to hear criticism :)
03:27 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
03:27 dcook Interesting..
03:26 dcook What's columns.def?
03:26 dcook Wait... maybe not columns.def
03:26 dcook But yeah, the columns.def/systempreferences thing definitely sprang to mind..
03:25 dcook I thought about using a template plugin, but figured there would still be a translation issue
03:25 tcohen dcook: something like columns.def but for permissions should work, with a template plugin. Then we just add a guideline that keep it up-to-date as a QA rule
03:21 dcook Could've even been shorter ;)
03:20 dcook 16 line Perl script ftw
03:20 dcook Hmm, that actually worked really well
03:12 dcook I might have to write a script to make the script
03:11 eythian goodness
03:10 dcook Sweet Mary. There are 73 sub permissions?
02:44 dcook Actually, I suppose you might be able to cheat...
02:38 dcook 2.26 looks like the newest
02:37 dcook Version 2.24?
02:35 dcook Which seems sketchy
02:35 dcook And it doesn't look like it's officially documented...
02:34 dcook But it means even more changes..
02:34 dcook Ha... it looks like I was misunderstanding him
02:34 dcook Maybe I'm misunderstanding him :)
02:33 dcook Although the maintainer was talking about this back in 2002...
02:33 dcook Maybe our TT version is old..
02:33 dcook :S
02:33 dcook But for some reason, you can't INCLUDE a BLOCK from another file
02:32 dcook We [% INCLUDE %] stuff all the time
02:32 wizzyrea yes, I misunderstood you
02:32 wizzyrea oh
02:32 dcook Processing one of those guys from an external file
02:32 dcook I mean the [% BLOCK %] directive
02:32 dcook So yes I think I'm not conveying myself
02:32 dcook Nope, never
02:32 wizzyrea maybe I'm misunderstanding what you've said, but don't we do this all the time?
02:32 dcook I think it should be possible..
02:31 dcook I would've sworn paxed did it, but I must be mistaken
02:31 dcook I can't see any way of processing a Template Toolkit block from an external file
02:31 dcook Me thinks that /koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/includes/opac-authorities.inc could never work...
02:31 wizzyrea sleeping, or nearly sleeping, I hope.
02:30 dcook Hmm, where is an oleonard when you need him...
01:50 wizzyrea *snerk*
01:44 eythian way to ruin my joke, wizzyrea
01:44 eythian damn, it would have been funnier had you did
01:44 eythian oh, you didn't say 'parent in me'
01:41 eythian wait, you swallowed a parent‽
01:38 wizzyrea parent me just had a bit of a heart attack seeing that.
01:26 eythian http://abcnews.go.com/Health/spongebob-squarepants-turns-childs-ray/story?id=28530819
01:20 dcook Who needs Watson when you have Wahanui?
01:20 wizzyrea that's an upgrade for me.
01:20 wahanui Thanks, Mr Sheen.
01:20 wizzyrea winning.
01:20 wahanui http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg
01:20 wizzyrea hysterical raisins
01:20 wizzyrea hysterical raisins is <reply> http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg
01:20 dcook lol
01:19 dcook I'm sorry. I just can't get raisins out of my head n ow.
01:19 wizzyrea http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg this is as close as I could find
01:19 dcook Hysterical raisins I'm sure
01:19 wizzyrea there's quite a bit of bad in there :(
01:17 dcook Ah, the subpermissions use hard-coded strings rather than numbers... boo
01:12 dcook Mmm, maybe leave that for another day...
01:12 dcook Well, not change the labels per se
01:12 dcook Oh... I wonder if I could even change the labels...
01:11 dcook Really should be working on something else, but this annoys me to no end.
01:11 dcook Oooh. I think I might be able to do something up for the permissions which is stored in the template so easy to change and translate...
01:06 wizzyrea <3
01:06 dcook lol
01:06 wahanui OK, eythian.
01:06 eythian wahanui: tl;dr is <reply>http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif
01:05 dcook That's going on my old English department's FB page..
01:05 dcook hehe
01:04 wizzyrea http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif < the current cause of my giggles
01:02 wizzyrea http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/shm2.gif not it, but still funny
00:59 dcook Yes, yes you do, wizzyrea.
00:59 dcook Probably hysterical raisins
00:59 * wizzyrea really needs to find a gif for "hysterical raisins"
00:58 eythian why would we do that?
00:58 wahanui we are not at all envious ;-)
00:58 eythian we what?
00:58 * dcook hates changing the database...
00:57 dcook Poor non-English speakers...
00:57 wizzyrea yeah, it's AMAZEBALLS isn't it
00:57 dcook Eww... we store the descriptions in the database...
00:57 wizzyrea you can't actually do that, I think.
00:57 wizzyrea that same staff member would still have access to the opac, even if opacpublic was turned off.
00:56 dcook ^
00:55 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
00:55 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
00:55 wizzyrea @quote get 123
00:55 eythian what happens if you want to have a staff member who can only do borrower managment, and not actually access the catalogue :)
00:55 wizzyrea tbh those are probably there for hysterical raisins.
00:55 wizzyrea also true :)
00:54 eythian and 'catalogue' is a bad name for something that lets you access the staff client
00:54 wizzyrea yes, most definitely is that.
00:54 dcook Agreed
00:54 eythian it's a silly name for a permission
00:54 wizzyrea you do have to have it to edit other staff members though.
00:54 dcook Exactly
00:54 wizzyrea it's not required.
00:54 dcook Oh well. Easy fix..
00:54 wizzyrea you don't have to have staffaccess to access the staff client
00:53 * dcook just realized it might be a good idea to update both places...
00:53 dcook The "Help" file has the correct descriptions.
00:53 dcook lolz
00:49 eythian I could see thta being easy to do
00:49 eythian yeah
00:48 dcook They checked the "required" box but not the one with the vague description and no "required" label :p
00:48 dcook I just had someone asking me what on earth they missed, and while I spotted it immediately, I could see why they didn't
00:47 eythian good :)
00:47 dcook Yep
00:47 eythian fixing the descriptions?
00:47 * dcook heads to bzilla
00:47 dcook Ok, this has to be patched.
00:46 dcook :)
00:45 wizzyrea yeah, you described the success case, I described the restricted case :)
00:44 dcook Tabs... there are too many..
00:44 dcook Man... that's so badly labelled
00:44 dcook wizzyrea: I think it might be that you can only edit other staff members if you have that permission
00:34 eythian I just remember seeing it in the code recently
00:34 eythian I think so
00:34 dcook Is that the one?
00:34 dcook eythian: (permissions) Allow staff members to modify permissions for other staff members
00:34 wizzyrea a borrower in the staff category can't modify another borrower in the staff category
00:34 eythian yeah
00:33 wizzyrea it's the only time that the designation of staff category means something.
00:33 dcook Hmm that sounds familiar
00:33 eythian I wonder if that's the one that lets you modify stuff on other staff users
00:33 dcook I wonder where staffaccess even gets used..
00:33 dcook Yep
00:31 dcook mainpage.pl required "catalogue => 1"... double-checking that one on master...
00:29 dcook eythian: I can't fault people for getting them wrong. I'm just glad they don't yell at me...
00:28 dcook tcohen: Have you seen the patch? I think it's all right!
00:28 eythian dcook: yeah, I noticed that those permission descriptions are quite inconsistent
00:28 dcook :p
00:28 dcook And that's barely even on my radar at the moment :S
00:28 tcohen i'll do a followup for my work, no worries, just... don't... break the new style API :-D
00:28 dcook I think my next Koha thing will be the OAI harvester
00:27 dcook I'm just pretty behind... way too much work to do at the moment here
00:27 dcook I certainly find it interesting, and kudos to all the work you've done so far :)
00:27 dcook tcohen: Haha. :p
00:27 tcohen i think i missed a comma in damn dcook
00:27 dcook I'm pretty sure the former is more required than the latter...
00:27 dcook "(catalogue View Catalog (Librarian Interface)" vs "staffaccess Required for staff login. Staff access, allows viewing of catalogue in staff client."
00:26 tcohen I thought I convinced you heh
00:26 dcook I feel bad for folks who have to set permissions
00:26 tcohen damn dcook
00:26 dcook Yeah, that's probably true
00:25 wizzyrea serials search page - we should be more respectful of people who don't have widescreen monitors :/
00:19 dcook But I have to go back to paid work now :/
00:18 dcook So I suppose all a person would need to do is make it so that XSLT_Handler->transform() could take multiple XSLTs and then just run through them recursively
00:18 dcook Actually, I think XSLT_Handler->transform() does XML::LibXSLT->output_as_chars($result)
00:16 * dcook honestly hasn't looked
00:15 dcook Ah, maybe XSLT_Handler returns raw XML?
00:15 dcook "Transforms the passed in XML::LibXML::Document object, and returns a new XML::LibXML::Document."
00:14 dcook You wouldn't need to re-load it
00:14 dcook According to XML::LibXSLT, transform() returns a new XML::LibXML::Document object
00:14 dcook That doesn't look right
00:13 tcohen *time
00:12 tcohen so it creates an XML object out of a string (that needs to be parsed) each tuinmte
00:12 tcohen $result = $stylesheet_2->transform( XML::LibXML->load_xml( string => $result, no_cdata=>1 ) );
00:11 tcohen my $result = $stylesheet->transform( $record );
00:10 dcook output_smth?
00:10 * tcohen is on vacation still
00:10 tcohen (or however it was called, I was drinking too much fernet)
00:09 tcohen which is raw XML instead of a proper XML::LibXML object
00:09 tcohen ->transform seems to return a stylesheet object... which you use to call stylesheet->output_smth( xml )
00:08 dcook Huh... XML::LibXSLT::Processor is actually written in XS...
00:08 tcohen but I don't want XML::LibXSLT to parse the XML for each
00:07 tcohen I'd like to apply them both, and after that *Slim2OpacDetail
00:07 dcook You are a legend!
00:07 dcook :D
00:07 tcohen I created a function that makes XSLT out of the frameworks (field/subfield visibility) and one that replaces codes for authorized value descriptions
00:06 dcook Reuse the XML DOM?
00:06 dcook It would certainly be useful in a few places
00:06 tcohen the idea is that we should reuse the XML DOM, instead of reloading it on each XSLT we want to apply
00:05 tcohen like XML::LibXSLT::Processor does
00:05 dcook I think I noticed something about that in the listserv..
00:05 tcohen multiple XSLT's to the same XML
00:05 dcook If the former, that sounds like scope creep :p
00:05 dcook Apply multiple XSLTs or apply the parameters to multiple XSLTs?
00:04 tcohen dcook: can u add a way to apply multiple XSLts at once please?