Time  Nick       Message
00:04 tcohen     dcook: can u add a way to apply multiple XSLts at once please?
00:05 dcook      Apply multiple XSLTs or apply the parameters to multiple XSLTs?
00:05 dcook      If the former, that sounds like scope creep :p
00:05 tcohen     multiple XSLT's to the same XML
00:05 dcook      I think I noticed something about that in the listserv..
00:05 tcohen     like XML::LibXSLT::Processor does
00:06 tcohen     the idea is that we should reuse the XML DOM, instead of reloading it on each XSLT  we want to apply
00:06 dcook      It would certainly be useful in a few places
00:06 dcook      Reuse the XML DOM?
00:07 tcohen     I created a function that makes XSLT out of the frameworks (field/subfield visibility) and one that replaces codes for authorized value descriptions
00:07 dcook      :D
00:07 dcook      You are a legend!
00:07 tcohen     I'd like to apply them both, and after that *Slim2OpacDetail
00:08 tcohen     but I don't want XML::LibXSLT to parse the XML for each
00:08 dcook      Huh... XML::LibXSLT::Processor is actually written in XS...
00:09 tcohen     ->transform seems to return a stylesheet object... which you use to call stylesheet->output_smth( xml )
00:09 tcohen     which is raw XML instead of a proper XML::LibXML object
00:10 tcohen     (or however it was called, I was drinking too much fernet)
00:10 * tcohen   is on vacation still
00:10 dcook      output_smth?
00:11 tcohen     my $result = $stylesheet->transform( $record );
00:12 tcohen     $result = $stylesheet_2->transform( XML::LibXML->load_xml( string => $result, no_cdata=>1 ) );
00:12 tcohen     so it creates an XML object out of a string (that needs to be parsed) each tuinmte
00:13 tcohen     *time
00:14 dcook      That doesn't look right
00:14 dcook      According to XML::LibXSLT, transform() returns a new XML::LibXML::Document object
00:14 dcook      You wouldn't need to re-load it
00:15 dcook      "Transforms the passed in XML::LibXML::Document object, and returns a new XML::LibXML::Document."
00:15 dcook      Ah, maybe XSLT_Handler returns raw XML?
00:16 * dcook    honestly hasn't looked
00:18 dcook      Actually, I think XSLT_Handler->transform() does XML::LibXSLT->output_as_chars($result)
00:18 dcook      So I suppose all a person would need to do is make it so that XSLT_Handler->transform() could take multiple XSLTs and then just run through them recursively
00:19 dcook      But I have to go back to paid work now :/
00:25 wizzyrea   serials search page - we should be more respectful of people who don't have widescreen monitors :/
00:26 dcook      Yeah, that's probably true
00:26 tcohen     damn dcook
00:26 dcook      I feel bad for folks who have to set permissions
00:26 tcohen     I thought I convinced you heh
00:27 dcook      "(catalogue View Catalog (Librarian Interface)" vs "staffaccess Required for staff login. Staff access, allows viewing of catalogue in staff client."
00:27 dcook      I'm pretty sure the former is more required than the latter...
00:27 tcohen     i think i missed a comma in damn dcook
00:27 dcook      tcohen: Haha. :p
00:27 dcook      I certainly find it interesting, and kudos to all the work you've done so far :)
00:27 dcook      I'm just pretty behind... way too much work to do at the moment here
00:28 dcook      I think my next Koha thing will be the OAI harvester
00:28 tcohen     i'll do a followup for my work, no worries, just... don't... break the new style API :-D
00:28 dcook      And that's barely even on my radar at the moment :S
00:28 dcook      :p
00:28 eythian    dcook: yeah, I noticed that those permission descriptions are quite inconsistent
00:28 dcook      tcohen: Have you seen the patch? I think it's all right!
00:29 dcook      eythian: I can't fault people for getting them wrong. I'm just glad they don't yell at me...
00:31 dcook      mainpage.pl required "catalogue => 1"... double-checking that one on master...
00:33 dcook      Yep
00:33 dcook      I wonder where staffaccess even gets used..
00:33 eythian    I wonder if that's the one that lets you modify stuff on other staff users
00:33 dcook      Hmm that sounds familiar
00:33 wizzyrea   it's the only time that the designation of staff category means something.
00:34 eythian    yeah
00:34 wizzyrea   a borrower in the staff category can't modify another borrower in the staff category
00:34 dcook      eythian: (permissions) Allow staff members to modify permissions for other staff members
00:34 dcook      Is that the one?
00:34 eythian    I think so
00:34 eythian    I just remember seeing it in the code recently
00:44 dcook      wizzyrea: I think it might be that you can only edit other staff members if you have that permission
00:44 dcook      Man... that's so badly labelled
00:44 dcook      Tabs... there are too many..
00:45 wizzyrea   yeah, you described the success case, I described the restricted case :)
00:46 dcook      :)
00:47 dcook      Ok, this has to be patched.
00:47 * dcook    heads to bzilla
00:47 eythian    fixing the descriptions?
00:47 dcook      Yep
00:47 eythian    good :)
00:48 dcook      I just had someone asking me what on earth they missed, and while I spotted it immediately, I could see why they didn't
00:48 dcook      They checked the "required" box but not the one with the vague description and no "required" label :p
00:49 eythian    yeah
00:49 eythian    I could see thta being easy to do
00:53 dcook      lolz
00:53 dcook      The "Help" file has the correct descriptions.
00:53 * dcook    just realized it might be a good idea to update both places...
00:54 wizzyrea   you don't have to have staffaccess to access the staff client
00:54 dcook      Oh well. Easy fix..
00:54 wizzyrea   it's not required.
00:54 dcook      Exactly
00:54 wizzyrea   you do have to have it to edit other staff members though.
00:54 eythian    it's a silly name for a permission
00:54 dcook      Agreed
00:54 wizzyrea   yes, most definitely is that.
00:54 eythian    and 'catalogue' is a bad name for something that lets you access the staff client
00:55 wizzyrea   also true :)
00:55 wizzyrea   tbh those are probably there for hysterical raisins.
00:55 eythian    what happens if you want to have a staff member who can only do borrower managment, and not actually access the catalogue :)
00:55 wizzyrea   @quote get 123
00:55 wahanui    http://xkcd.com/1172/
00:55 huginn     wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
00:56 dcook      ^
00:57 wizzyrea   that same staff member would still have access to the opac, even if opacpublic was turned off.
00:57 wizzyrea   you can't actually do that, I think.
00:57 dcook      Eww... we store the descriptions in the database...
00:57 wizzyrea   yeah, it's AMAZEBALLS isn't it
00:57 dcook      Poor non-English speakers...
00:58 * dcook    hates changing the database...
00:58 eythian    we what?
00:58 wahanui    we are not at all envious ;-)
00:58 eythian    why would we do that?
00:59 * wizzyrea really needs to find a gif for "hysterical raisins"
00:59 dcook      Probably hysterical raisins
00:59 dcook      Yes, yes you do, wizzyrea.
01:02 wizzyrea   http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/shm2.gif not it, but still funny
01:04 wizzyrea   http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif < the current cause of my giggles
01:05 dcook      hehe
01:05 dcook      That's going on my old English department's FB page..
01:06 eythian    wahanui: tl;dr is <reply>http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif
01:06 wahanui    OK, eythian.
01:06 dcook      lol
01:06 wizzyrea   <3
01:11 dcook      Oooh. I think I might be able to do something up for the permissions which is stored in the template so easy to change and translate...
01:11 dcook      Really should be working on something else, but this annoys me to no end.
01:12 dcook      Oh... I wonder if I could even change the labels...
01:12 dcook      Well, not change the labels per se
01:12 dcook      Mmm, maybe leave that for another day...
01:17 dcook      Ah, the subpermissions use hard-coded strings rather than numbers... boo
01:19 wizzyrea   there's quite a bit of bad in there :(
01:19 dcook      Hysterical raisins I'm sure
01:19 wizzyrea   http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg this is as close as I could find
01:19 dcook      I'm sorry. I just can't get raisins out of my head n ow.
01:20 dcook      lol
01:20 wizzyrea   hysterical raisins is <reply> http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg
01:20 wizzyrea   hysterical raisins
01:20 wahanui    http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg
01:20 wizzyrea   winning.
01:20 wahanui    Thanks, Mr Sheen.
01:20 wizzyrea   that's an upgrade for me.
01:20 dcook      Who needs Watson when you have Wahanui?
01:26 eythian    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/spongebob-squarepants-turns-childs-ray/story?id=28530819
01:38 wizzyrea   parent me just had a bit of a heart attack seeing that.
01:41 eythian    wait, you swallowed a parent‽
01:44 eythian    oh, you didn't say 'parent in me'
01:44 eythian    damn, it would have been funnier had you did
01:44 eythian    way to ruin my joke, wizzyrea
01:50 wizzyrea   *snerk*
02:30 dcook      Hmm, where is an oleonard when you need him...
02:31 wizzyrea   sleeping, or nearly sleeping, I hope.
02:31 dcook      Me thinks that /koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/includes/opac-authorities.inc could never work...
02:31 dcook      I can't see any way of processing a Template Toolkit block from an external file
02:31 dcook      I would've sworn paxed did it, but I must be mistaken
02:32 dcook      I think it should be possible..
02:32 wizzyrea   maybe I'm misunderstanding what you've said, but don't we do this all the time?
02:32 dcook      Nope, never
02:32 dcook      So yes I think I'm not conveying myself
02:32 dcook      I mean the [% BLOCK %] directive
02:32 dcook      Processing one of those guys from an external file
02:32 wizzyrea   oh
02:32 wizzyrea   yes, I misunderstood you
02:32 dcook      We [% INCLUDE %] stuff all the time
02:33 dcook      But for some reason, you can't INCLUDE a BLOCK from another file
02:33 dcook      :S
02:33 dcook      Maybe our TT version is old..
02:33 dcook      Although the maintainer was talking about this back in 2002...
02:34 dcook      Maybe I'm misunderstanding him :)
02:34 dcook      Ha... it looks like I was misunderstanding him
02:34 dcook      But it means even more changes..
02:35 dcook      And it doesn't look like it's officially documented...
02:35 dcook      Which seems sketchy
02:37 dcook      Version 2.24?
02:38 dcook      2.26 looks like the newest
02:44 dcook      Actually, I suppose you might be able to cheat...
03:10 dcook      Sweet Mary. There are 73 sub permissions?
03:11 eythian    goodness
03:12 dcook      I might have to write a script to make the script
03:20 dcook      Hmm, that actually worked really well
03:20 dcook      16 line Perl script ftw
03:21 dcook      Could've even been shorter ;)
03:25 tcohen     dcook: something like columns.def but for permissions should work, with a template plugin. Then we just add a guideline that keep it up-to-date as a QA rule
03:25 dcook      I thought about using a template plugin, but figured there would still be a translation issue
03:26 dcook      But yeah, the columns.def/systempreferences thing definitely sprang to mind..
03:26 dcook      Wait... maybe not columns.def
03:26 dcook      What's columns.def?
03:27 dcook      Interesting..
03:27 wahanui    somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
03:29 dcook      tcohen: Well, I'll post my patch, but happy to hear criticism :)
03:31 dcook      At the moment, I'm just checking to see if we could nuke `permissions.description`
03:34 jcamins    dcook: how odd.
03:34 jcamins    The block worked fine for me when I wrote it.
03:35 dcook      jcamins: I was wondering if you wrote it. It said Owen, but I figured that might be a bootstrap thing...
03:35 jcamins    Yeah, I wrote it.
03:35 dcook      Does it work for you now?
03:36 dcook      It looks perfectly sensible.
03:36 jcamins    I don't have a Koha installation so I can't check.
03:36 dcook      Ah, fair enough
03:36 dcook      I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash, I suppose
03:38 dcook      Aha! Good thing I didn't just nuke `permissions.description`
03:38 dcook      It's used in C4::Auth :S
03:39 eythian    if you want to nuke C4::Auth and rewrite it to be tidy, I wouldn't object.
03:39 dcook      hehe
03:39 dcook      Oh the temptation...
03:41 dcook      I really don't see why C4::Auth even uses `permissions.description`...
03:41 dcook      I don't think it does for anything except truthiness
03:41 dcook      Maybe not even then..
03:41 dcook      No... probably for that
03:41 * dcook    grumbles
03:42 dcook      Well, I guess member-flags.pl would also use it..
03:43 dcook      Oh... oh that's where it is used
03:54 eythian    https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Locale-Maketext/lib/Locale/Maketext/TPJ13.pod
03:55 dcook      Hmm... haspermission() doesn't look right...
03:56 dcook      eythian: This is why we're still storing permission descriptions in the database :p
03:56 eythian    heh
03:56 dcook      How does it go...
03:56 dcook      How long is a piece of string?
03:57 dcook      Ah wait haspermission() looks OK after all...
03:59 eythian    wahanui: internet explorer
03:59 wahanui    i guess internet explorer is https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1236471_10151582918166526_280952799_n.png
03:59 eythian    wahanui: literal internet explorer
03:59 wahanui    eythian: internet explorer =is= https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1236471_10151582918166526_280952799_n.png
03:59 dcook      get_all_subpermissions() is the only whacky one..
03:59 eythian    no wahanui, internet explorer is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/3B0pt3M.jpg
03:59 wahanui    okay, eythian.
04:09 dcook      bug 13632
04:09 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Use a translateable file instead of the database for managing permission descriptions
04:10 dcook      There's my shot at it :)
04:10 dcook      bug 13631 will change the description once we decide on a better way of managing the permission descriptions...
04:10 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13631 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Permission description wrong for catalogue and staffaccess
04:15 eythian    dcook: is a giant case statement the best way? Is it possible to have a hash or something perhaps? This may impact translatablility, so it's just a thought.
04:31 dcook      Yeah, it didn't seem the most optimal, but it's what sprang to mind first.
04:31 dcook      The hash could work though
04:31 dcook      Possibly
04:31 dcook      Although then it's still just a big if/else, no?
04:31 dcook      if/elsif/else
04:32 dcook      wth...
04:34 dcook      Actually, a lot of member-flags.tt and member-flags.pl should probably be re-written
04:36 eythian    well, a hash isn't an if/else, it's like a keyed database
04:36 dcook      Right, but you'd need to be testing it
04:36 dcook      Or doing the lookup somehow
04:37 dcook      I suppose the thing to do is loop through the main permissions
04:37 eythian    yeah, but it doesn't do a big if/else comparison, it converts the key to a value and then just does an array lookup on that value
04:37 eythian    tbh I'd probably leave it as is for now
04:37 eythian    it's modular enough it can be changed later if wanted
04:37 dcook      leave which?
04:37 eythian    leave it the way you have it
04:38 dcook      ah
04:38 eythian    with the cases
04:38 dcook      Yeah, I'm not working on it anymore today :p
04:38 eythian    fair enough :)
04:38 dcook      I think tcohen has an idea for what he might prefer anyway
04:38 * eythian  notes that the design of authority searching is very different to that of biblio searching.
04:38 eythian    which shouldn't surprise me.
04:39 dcook      me either
04:39 * eythian  will attempt to fit a round peg into a square hole and make them a bit more similar.
04:40 eythian    i.e. where you generate a query, and then search with that query
04:40 eythian    in the thunking to the original code, it'll just be a noop on the query building
04:40 eythian    or it'll stash the values somewhere
04:40 eythian    that's probably a better idea
04:41 dcook      I have no idea what you're talking about, but I always figured it was easier to put a round peg in a square hole than a square peg in a round hole
04:42 dcook      Mind you, I suppose I automatically assume that the round peg is smaller than the square hole...
04:42 dcook      I'm just going to stop talking now
04:42 eythian    in biblio searching, you make a query, and then run the searcher with that query
04:42 dcook      yep
04:42 eythian    in authority searching, it's all one step
04:42 dcook      O_o
04:43 dcook      That seems...
04:43 dcook      Less good
04:43 eythian    yeah
04:43 dcook      On the plus side, I missed the rain when I went to get food
04:43 dcook      I figured I'd leave my umbrella, because really... what's the chance it's going to rain in the next 5 minutes since it's been raining for 2 days straight?
04:44 eythian    we're supposed to have a bit of rain this evening, but I'd be surprised.
04:44 eythian    I should water the plants at my place
04:44 dcook      Doesn't sound like a bad idea
05:06 eythian    @wunder nzwn
05:06 huginn     eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 27.0°C (5:30 PM NZDT on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
05:06 dcook      @wunder syd
05:06 huginn     dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (3:30 PM AEDT on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
05:07 eythian    20 would be nice
05:07 dcook      Hmm, seems our weather fortunes have reversed
05:07 dcook      Yeah, it's not bad
05:07 dcook      The sky looks like it's clearing a bit too
06:10 paxed      dcook: iirc, a giant hash is ugly to translate, as the translation toolchain just gets the hash int oa single msgid in the po-files
06:12 dcook      paxed: I was thinking of just using the hash as a mechanism, and using a separate file still for the translating.
06:12 dcook      That probably sounds rather vague..
06:12 dcook      I would definitely like more input from translators for that one
06:12 dcook      I have to run, but feel free to leave me your input, paxed :)
06:14 * paxed    is wondering why zebra still insists on returning non-existent auth records on auth search.
06:14 paxed      even after reindex.
06:15 paxed      hm. maybe the -r flag to rebuild_zebra
06:18 dcook      That would help :)
07:25 ashimema   morning
08:00 reiveune   hello
08:01 ashimema   hi reiveune
08:01 alex_a     bonjour
08:01 wahanui    hi, alex_a
08:02 reiveune   hi ashimema
08:05 fridolin   hie all
08:17 fridolin   I have a question about acquisition module : when creating a new order from empty, the default framework is used exept for items fields. Shouldn't ACQ framework be used for other fields also ?
08:23 Joubu1     fridolin: there is a patch ;)
08:26 Joubu1     fridolin: bug 12743
08:26 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Allow default values from the ACQ framework to be used when creating a record in acquisitions
08:28 fridolin   Joubu1: yes but new record will be created with default framework, not ACQ
08:29 fridolin   in neworderempty, record creation uses the frameworkcode parameter :
08:29 fridolin   $params->{'frameworkcode'} or $params->{'frameworkcode'} = "";
08:29 fridolin   ( $biblionumber, $bibitemnum ) = AddBiblio( $marcrecord, $params->{'frameworkcode'} );
08:29 fridolin   but this parameter does not exist un template
08:30 gaetan_B   hello
08:31 Joubu1     fridolin: ok, I didn't get it
08:32 Joubu1     fridolin: what is the value of AcqCreateItem?
08:33 fridolin   items are created when ordering
08:37 Joubu1     fridolin: ok, that's what my patch does
08:37 * magnuse  waves
08:39 magnuse    paxed: you indexed with the -a flag, right? (sometimes its the obvious things... ;-)
08:39 Joubu1     fridolin: no, that's not what is does :)
08:39 Joubu1     sorry...
08:40 fridolin   Joubu1: but your patch does not not edit neworderempty.pol
08:40 fridolin   o_O
08:40 Joubu1     That's *not* what it does
08:40 Joubu1     forget that
08:40 wahanui    Joubu1: I forgot that
08:41 * Joubu1   is going to get some more tea
08:58 cait       hi #koha
08:58 ashimema   morning cait
09:02 mtj        hi all
09:02 mtj        anyone here running any koha/overdrive setups?
09:03 mtj        bywater/catalyst/ptfs-europe ?
09:03 drojf      hi #koha
09:04 ashimema   we've played with it mtj.. but are yet to have a customer go live on it..
09:04 ashimema   what's up mtj?
09:04 mtj        we've hit a slightly weird od/koha auth issue.. looks like its a koha sip bug?
09:05 mtj        i just wanna confirm whether other people have hit it too
09:05 ashimema   interesting.. we've not delved all that deep yet.. but I'd be happy to rubber duck with you if it helps ;)
09:05 mtj        it seems to be a similar situ. to this SEC bug 12126
09:05 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12126 is not accessible.
09:07 ashimema   hmm.. I left colin to that one.. I'll ask him to show up here.. but he's not online yet this morning
09:08 mtj        np
09:08 Joubu1     mtj: (just to be sure) did you see my comment on bug 13458?
09:08 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search
09:12 mtj        thanks Joubu1, ill aim to get it added to next release
09:14 cait       everyone around, could you help solve the missing piece on the allowonshelfholds bug? :)
09:15 cait       bug 5786
09:15 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix
09:20 ashimema   I think we both agree on it cait.. just need some other opinions
09:21 cait       yeah maybe one more - and if we don't get another idea go with it?
09:21 ashimema   I think so.
09:21 ashimema   it's an awesome feature
09:22 cait       yeah - i really hope we didn't miss something
09:22 cait       but i want it :)
09:22 cait       actually i have wanted this one for years... if you scroll up in history of it :(
09:22 ashimema   hehe.. us too
09:22 cait       my first comment:                                                  2011-12-20 20:44:27
09:22 ashimema   but we've never had the commitment to work on it ;)
09:23 ashimema   I'm currently fighting the urge to clean up the account code
09:23 ashimema   add an api route for it is proving 'intersting'
09:23 cait       don't figt it...:P
09:23 ashimema   I don't have time to do it 'properly'
09:23 ashimema   that being the issue
09:24 Joubu1     maybe gaetan_B has an opinion about this :)
09:26 gaetan_B   about bug 5786 ?
09:26 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix
09:26 * gaetan_B reading it
09:26 gaetan_B   oooooh
09:26 gaetan_B   yes this sounds very interesting indeed
09:27 cait       gaetan_B: it is :)
09:28 cait       it's been one of those with a looong history
09:28 cait       i hope we can get it in now
09:28 Joubu1     cait: what's wrong with total on your screenshot? (bug 13320)
09:28 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13320 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Some prices calculation are done in template side
09:29 cait       it doesn't fit the amounts over it
09:29 gaetan_B   cait: the history is indeed *very* long, what is the exact question input is needed on now ?
09:29 cait       gaetan_B: start at the bottom maybe
09:30 cait       theo pen question is: what happens when the record has items with different itemtypes
09:30 cait       and oneof the itemtypes is set to 'force item level hold'
09:30 cait       Joubu: and we don't show the amount of the actual costs anywhere
09:31 cait       which would be 40 here
09:31 cait       and the total shoudl add up to 40
09:31 cait       but it says 39
09:31 Joubu1     cait: ha, did look at the correct screenshot!
09:31 Joubu1     not*
09:32 cait       ah sorry, missed that i had some old ones on it too :)
09:32 Joubu1     cait: If it is the same before and after the patch, try to keep in mind this example for next patches :)
09:33 cait       the weird thing is
09:33 cait       i think the old screenshots show the same order
09:33 cait       but there the amount is right?
09:34 Joubu1     cait: it a rounding problem I think
09:35 Joubu1     so it does not appear in all cases
09:35 Joubu1     makes sense?
09:40 gaetan_B   cait: ok, after some reading i think i share your opinion, which you seem to be sharing with ashimema: if one item is set to force, then it's item-level hold for all the items attached to the record
09:40 ashimema   awesome..
09:40 wahanui    That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
09:41 ashimema   I think that's enough consensus cait
09:41 cait       Joubu - still weird in this case - no taxes and even amounts
09:41 cait       Joubu: i don't see where the rounding problem could happen
09:41 cait       i think it's showing the amounts from the est cost
09:42 cait       instead of the actual cost
09:42 cait       hm the sum is the sum of the estimated costs, but we don't show the sum of the actual costs
09:42 cait       hope that makes sense
09:44 cait       gah confusing :)
09:45 Joubu1     cait: what is the conf of the supplier?
09:46 cait       can't check right now :(
09:47 cait       but i think it's inc inc
09:47 cait       maybe we could just check how thte total amount is calculated? if it uses the actual or estimated?
09:52 Joubu1     cait: 39 = 27+12
09:52 Joubu1     it's the estimated cost
09:55 cait       yeah, but it lists the actual cost aboe
09:55 cait       the total seems to either show estimated or actual, is that possible? but the amount only looks at the estimated
09:57 cait       ashimema: yep i think so, hope srdjan agrees too :)
09:59 ashimema   I reckon he will :)
10:00 Joubu1     cait: tested on the super_tax_rewrite_branch and the total column looks good (i.e. actual cost is used)
10:01 cait       yay
10:01 cait       ok, then we can drop this here
10:01 cait       i will try to look at more tax things tonight :)
10:01 Joubu1     cait: actually only bug 12975 is in the qa queue
10:01 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Refactor VAT and price calculation - basketgroup page
10:02 cait       yeah i saw there are some more
10:02 cait       i think i started work on the order creator search last night
10:02 cait       might finish that first
10:02 cait       i went by the change date after working on some of the bugs
10:04 cait       Joubu1: i saw that you worked on oneof the sip patches, could you maybe take on 13432 too?
10:04 Joubu1     cait: yep
10:07 cait       thx :)
10:26 * magnuse  waves at akafred
10:26 magnuse    bug 13432
10:26 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13432 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP Server does not respect timeout setting
10:29 * akafred  waves back and invites magnuse to come to Oslo after work for 'wurst' and beer
10:29 magnuse    ooh, that is tempting
10:29 * magnuse  goes looking for his skis
10:29 magnuse    @wunder boo
10:29 huginn     magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (11:20 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 28.85 in 977 hPa (Falling).
10:30 * cait     waves too
10:30 magnuse    s/Rain/Snow - big, wet chunks of it/
10:30 drojf      @wunder berlin, germany
10:30 huginn     drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 4.0°C (11:20 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
10:31 drojf      i saw a shiny thing an hour ago. somebody called it "sun". it's gone again though
10:31 cait       hm... i don't believe in your shiny thing
10:31 * magnuse  neither
10:32 sophie_m   cait : it's here :)
10:32 sophie_m   @wunder Marseille
10:32 huginn     sophie_m: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 8.8°C (11:31 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
10:32 cait       sophie_m: is this just a trick to lure us to MArseille?
10:33 sophie_m   no, braight sun and blue sky today :)
10:33 cait       hmmm
10:33 sophie_m   s/braight/bright/
10:34 cait       sophie_m: i will check your story about the bright thing in march :) it better is still there then!
10:34 sophie_m   :)
10:43 paxed      magnuse: yes, indeed, i did use -a
10:45 ashimema   Cheers for rebasing the SIP INC patch against that other passed qa sip bug Joubu.. was about to pester ColinC for that ;)
10:45 ashimema   you beat me to it ;)
10:46 Joubu      ashimema: yes, I was on it, so easy to do :)
10:46 magnuse    paxed: good
10:49 ashimema   :)
10:49 DanSwano   Hello! I'm sorry for my bad English. I'm trying to make a fresh install Koha 3.18.03 on Wheezy. When I log in as koha_lib user, the system warns that I should create a patron with superlibrarian rights. I create patron category "Admin" with type "staff" and then I create a patron in "Admin" category. But when I try to set permissions I see empty page with "Save" and "Cancel" buttons, why?
10:50 paxed      importing auths and deleting unwanted ones needs too many reindexings before they show up correctly.
10:53 Joubu      ashimema: I have just found commit 0f5dc609e0d94e804869b5994ba2b19bc97980ac, maybe it could be reverted
10:53 Joubu      (C4::Auth cleaning stuff)
10:53 ashimema   ooh..
10:53 ashimema   Nice spot Joubu..
10:54 ashimema   I'll open a bug with a reversion patch.. (I'm betting it won't revert cleanly this far down the line ;) )
10:56 cait       DanSwano: did you install using packages?
10:56 cait       DanSwano: in which language did you install?
10:57 DanSwano   cait, yes, using apt-get. Installation was done in English and then I add Russian
10:57 cait       hm
10:57 cait       try switching to english, does it make a difference for the permissions page?
10:57 DanSwano   cait, I already tried, no matter
10:58 cait       the permissions are stored in the database...wonder if there is something wrog with that
10:58 cait       are you familiar with sql?
10:58 DanSwano   cait, yes, a little bit
10:59 DanSwano   cait, I can use mysql cli client
11:02 magnuse    tiffintime!
11:03 cait       hm maybe take a look if there are entries in userflags table
11:04 DanSwano   cait, that table is empty
11:04 cait       hm that's not good
11:04 cait       it means you are missing some of the mandatory data that shoudl be installed by the web installer
11:05 cait       did you run the web installer in the browser?
11:17 cait       DanSwano: i'd suggest starting fresh creating a new instance and making sure that the mandatory sample data are all installed
11:50 DanSwano   cait, yes, I already run web installer and select all checkboxes. Then I deleted all base using koha-remove and create it again via koha-create
12:02 cait       hm
12:02 cait       and ran the web installer again?
12:03 DanSwano   cait, yes. Both times there was some errors
12:03 ashimema   what errors?
12:03 cait       yeah, that's an intersting bit
12:03 DanSwano   I can repeat the process
12:03 cait       you can paste the results here paste.koha-community.org
12:04 ashimema   koha-remove..
12:04 wahanui    it has been said that koha-remove is for removing instances.
12:04 ashimema   make sure the database is actually deleted using mysql cli
12:04 ashimema   koha-create..
12:04 wahanui    i think koha-create is part of the package :)
12:04 DanSwano   should I reinstall koha-common package?
12:04 ashimema   give us any errors that pop out :)
12:04 ashimema   the koha-common package should be fine.. which repo are you following.. stable I hope?
12:04 ashimema   packages?
12:04 wahanui    i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:05 DanSwano   I use http://debian.koha-community.org/koha stable main
12:05 ashimema   that's the right one :)
12:06 DanSwano   wait a bit
12:07 ashimema   :)
12:10 DanSwano   1. koha-remove lib
12:10 DanSwano   the koha_lib database has been removed
12:13 DanSwano   2. koha-create --create-db lib
12:13 DanSwano   Koha instance is empty, no staff user created.
12:13 DanSwano   [ ok ] Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
12:13 DanSwano   Starting Zebra server for lib
12:13 wahanui    i already had it that way, DanSwano.
12:16 DanSwano   and then I go to the web installer
12:16 DanSwano   step 1: language - English
12:17 DanSwano   All dependencies installed.
12:17 DanSwano   Step 2: Database koha_lib exists.
12:17 DanSwano   User koha_lib has all required privileges on database koha_lib.
12:18 DanSwano   Step 3: Database tables created
12:19 DanSwano   Now I install basic configuration settings
12:19 DanSwano   MARC flavor: unimarc
12:19 cait       marcelr++
12:19 cait       DanSwano: quick check
12:19 cait       why are you picking unimarc? where are you located?
12:20 DanSwano   cait, Russia
12:20 cait       ah don't know about russia, but did you check which is the common flavour in your area?
12:20 ashimema   skolkovo universtiy is using Marc21
12:20 ashimema   they're in russia
12:20 ashimema   but then I'm no expert by any means
12:22 DanSwano   I know that many institutes and univercities using unimarc but I am not familiar with library software
12:22 cait       DanSwano: the 'problem' is that both formats are quite different
12:22 DanSwano   well, I can try MARC21
12:22 cait       and the use differes from coutnry to country - so it's good to check so you don't have problems later interchanging data or downloading/reusing data from other catalogs
12:22 DanSwano   if it helps to locate a problem
12:23 cait       so that's something you shoudl check and also the format you picked in your instance config file should match what you pick here
12:23 cait       so search works correctly later
12:23 cait       it's probably not related tot he issue with permissions- but good to know to avoid other problems later
12:23 ashimema   I'm not aware of anyone running koha from packages using Unimarc.. i can't see it affecting your error.. but worth mentioning
12:24 ashimema   yup.. what cait said
12:24 DanSwano   cait, I'm not an expert in this area, let's repeat with MARC21
12:24 cait       ashimema: can you give the name of the file where it states what marc flavour is used?
12:24 cait       DanSwano: wait a quick second maybe - let's make sure we have it matching first
12:25 DanSwano   cait, yes, I'm waiting
12:25 ashimema   I'm not exactly sure to be honest cait..
12:25 ashimema   Joubu.. do you know the answer to caits question?
12:25 paxed      okay, wtf. linking bibs to auth made a link from 651a ("Peru") to topical term "perro sin pelo del perú"
12:25 cait       i think i mean this one /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
12:26 ashimema   I'd imagine that all the stuff in koha-conf.xml that relates to marc21 should end up as a unimarc instead
12:26 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
12:27 cait       DanSwano: could you take a look at the file on your system to see if there it states marc21 or unimarc?
12:27 ashimema   indeed.. you are right cait.
12:28 DanSwano   cait, koha-sites.conf? ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="unimarc" written there
12:28 ashimema   hmm.. sounds like a bug to me that the package asks the user what marc version in the web installer.. if it then goes behind the scenes and sets other stuff to marc21 hardcoded.
12:28 ashimema   well that's good DanSwano.. means you've already made the right change there.
12:28 cait       yep
12:28 cait       so let's continue with unimarc here
12:29 DanSwano   yes, after install there was "marc21"
12:29 DanSwano   so what now? select default settings?
12:30 cait       did you pick unimarc or marc21?
12:30 DanSwano   I've picked unimarc
12:30 cait       and yes, just keep it to default maybe or use 'check all' at he top
12:30 cait       good :)
12:30 DanSwano   then I select all sample data
12:30 cait       just keep in mind that those have to match - the file and what you pick, it will save you headache
12:30 cait       make sure that the one for the permissions is checked especially
12:32 DanSwano   all mandatory checkboxes are already checked so I'm checking an optional checkboxes
12:33 DanSwano   Hmm! Now everything are imported without an errors
12:33 cait       for the problem you saw with permissions the mandatory shoudl be enough - but the optional should not cause problems
12:33 cait       oh
12:33 cait       can you see if the userflags is ok now?
12:33 DanSwano   just a moment
12:34 DanSwano   yes! the "userflags" table is filled!
12:35 cait       good sign!
12:35 DanSwano   now I try to add ru-RU lang
12:36 DanSwano   how can I change the password for koha_lib?
12:37 cait       DanSwano: you normally keep the one that is generated - it's not used later, only for updates
12:38 DanSwano   cait, ok
12:38 cait       but if you want to, i think changing it in the koha-conf.xml file and then also in mysql for the database
12:38 cait       it's kind of a super user that should only be used in special circumstances
12:38 cait       normally you will only need to work witht he superlibrairan that you now can hopefully create :)
12:39 DanSwano   cait, how can I correct errors in the Russian language file?
12:40 DanSwano   and why after koha-translate --install ru-RU I cannot see the panel with language select?
12:44 DanSwano   sorry, the last question is answered
12:44 cait       DanSwano: you can get an account for translate.koha-community.org and help translating
12:45 cait       all the translations are stored in .po files that are updated witht he release of the versions from what has been done on translate.koha...
12:45 DanSwano   cait, thank you!
12:45 cait       have fun with your Koha :)
12:46 magnuse    cait++
12:46 DanSwano   cait, I am a sysadmin so our library staff will try to work with it :)
12:49 cait       hm one more thing
12:49 cait       you might wnt to look into setting up ICU
12:50 cait       it's needed to search non-latin scripts
12:50 DanSwano   cait, where?
12:50 wahanui    i think cait, is there anyway in the koha admin interface to import serials for magazine publication for instance?
12:50 cait       i think this might help
12:50 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records
12:50 cait       you don't need the arabic rules of course
12:51 cait       there is a standard file in koha that works nicely for us with hebrew
12:51 cait       so I'd go with the standard file and not modify it for now
12:51 DanSwano   cait, ok, will see
12:55 DanSwano   right before when I install koha, I added RU lang before web install and then I seen all messages in Russian. Also there was item types in Russian too, but now all are in English so I should translate them into Russian. How can I add Russian sample data?
13:20 cait       DanSwano: hm that might be the reason of hte problems earlier
13:20 cait       the web installer files are sql files
13:21 cait       sometimes the other languages (not en) get out of sync
13:21 cait       if they are not actively maintained
13:21 cait       if you want to fix them you could send us the patches
13:21 DanSwano   cait, I understand
13:23 DanSwano   so web installer adds some libraries like Franklin, we don't needs these libraries but I can't delete its because tere are patrons registered there. How can I solve this situation?
13:24 cait       i think the easiest way would be to do it once more
13:24 cait       and from the optional data don't select the sample libraries and patrons
13:24 cait       but keep the mandatory
13:25 cait       or select only some of the sample data
13:25 DanSwano   cait, there is no other way?
13:25 cait       personally i thik the labels sample data and the authorised values are quite useful
13:25 cait       not an easy way
13:25 cait       there is a script do delete patrons i think
13:25 cait       you'd have to run that first and get them all deleted
13:25 cait       then you can delete the libraries from the gui
13:26 DanSwano   how can I display all users?
13:26 cait       you can do a search for %
13:27 DanSwano   oh, 50 sample users
13:28 cait       maybe you can also use the patron batch edit... not sure if that can delete yet
13:28 cait       i think there was a patch for deleting patrons in batch, but not sure it made itin hm
13:29 DanSwano   I'll try to delete them manually
13:55 fridolin   "The show must go on" for Bug 9351
13:55 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9351 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , item type not recorded correctly in statistics for returns and some local use
14:06 cait       fridolin: hope it works now ;)
14:35 Joubu      On bug 13637, Could my proposition work or I missed something?
14:35 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13637 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make the permission's descriptions translatable in template
14:36 cait       looking
14:37 cait       Joubu: i think deleting the sql files is not possible unless you build a fallback like we have for the sysprefs
14:38 cait       Joubu: currntly if the file is not in the translated installer directory it won't get installed (no fallback uatomatically)
14:38 cait       also it will break some sql reports people have - but those can be fixed
14:39 Joubu      cait: the sysprefs.sql file in installed, why it couldn't be possible for others?
14:39 Joubu      ok
14:40 Joubu      so it's possible :
14:40 Joubu      :)
14:40 cait       yep, just needs a bit more thought
14:41 cait       but if we do this, we should get rid of the sql files in the translated directories
14:41 cait       i think there is a patch from bernardo doing something like this for the lanugage sql files somewhere
14:41 cait       those already include the translations- so they also make no sense in lots of copies
14:42 cait       commented on the bug too
14:44 Joubu      thanks
15:18 tcohen     @later tell eythian is it possible to backport te newer DBIx::Class to Squeeze?
15:18 huginn     tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:20 cait       hi tcohen
15:22 tcohen     hi cait
15:56 ashimema   hi tcohen
16:06 reiveune   bye
17:01 JoeLib001  Hello. :-)
17:01 JoeLib001  I am having troubles with finding an Acquisitions Record using the Catalog.
17:02 JoeLib001  Did something change regarding Acquisitions Records and the Catalog? Or perhaps hiding records?
17:03 JoeLib001  I had set the Acquisitions Records to Hide from the OPAC, but I was able to search for them from the Staff Client. I was also able to pull them in from Z39.50 on a different Client.
17:04 JoeLib001  Now, I can search for the order in Acquisitions, but I can't search for the Record in the Catalog.
17:18 fridolin   see u
17:29 JoeLib001  Hmm..., actually looks like Zebra's broken.... XD
17:41 JoeLib001  Yeah.., Zebra's Broken... XD
17:42 JoeLib001  Well, it's not indexing for me. I'll beat my head against the correct Brick Wall now.
17:52 cait       oleonard++ thx
17:52 cait       :)
17:53 cait       my coworkers are testing 3.18 - finding things i never noticed
17:53 oleonard   Silly bug, easy fix
17:53 cait       :)
17:53 bag        caits_co_workers++
17:56 cait       heya bag :)
17:57 gaetan_B   bye
20:28 wnickc     does anyone know how a fine will be calulcated if the fines cap is not a multiple of the fine amount?  i.e. We charge $10 a day with a max of $75.  Will the final day be a half charge, or will it stop at $70
20:29 cait       half charge
20:29 cait       at least last time i tested :)
20:29 wnickc     thanks cait
20:47 mtj        ping bag_away, khall_away for an overdrive Q
20:47 mtj        hi all
20:47 cait       hi mtj :)
20:48 mtj        ..any other bywater folk on #koha, know about OD?
20:50 wnickc     mtj:  about the integratrion?
20:51 mtj        specifically a bug ive bumped into
20:51 mtj        i want to confirm whether other koha/OD systems have it, too
20:52 wnickc     it's on our test site so I can check
20:52 mtj        ah ok, that would work :p
21:09 eythian    hi
21:09 wahanui    hey, eythian
21:11 eythian    @later tcohen probably not, I think I tried with some part of it once and it ended up having to update half of the modules on the system.
21:11 huginn     eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:11 eythian    @later tell tcohen probably not, I think I tried with some part of it once and it ended up having to update half of the modules on the system.
21:11 huginn     eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:12 cait       cryptic
21:12 cait       morning eythian
21:12 eythian    cait: oh, he wants an updated DBIx::Class in squeeze
21:13 eythian    It's unlikely that's going to happen
21:13 eythian    I just want to a) upgrade all my servers that are still squeeze to wheezy/jessie when it's out, and b) remove support for squeeze.
21:22 mtj        yeah, fair enough
21:25 mtj        ..i think its great that squeeze is LTS, but i dont think we should be obligated to support Koha on squeeze for that long, too
21:33 eythian    yeah, definitely
21:33 wizzyrea   tl;dr?
21:33 wahanui    http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif
21:40 mtj        peeps, a bugzilla Q... how should i be tagging bugs for my 3.16.x releases?
21:41 mtj        hmm, i think i know that q already
21:41 mtj        rangi: about?
21:42 mtj        i really need some 3.16.x keywords added to BZ, so i can track bugs for my upcoming 3.16.x releases
21:42 wizzyrea   theoretically rangi is on holiday.
21:46 mtj        aah, ok :p  all good
21:50 eythian    I wonder if mtj actually stuck out his tongue in response to that
22:03 wnickc     purely theoretical vacations can leave a bad taste in your mouth
22:21 rangi      mtj: if its just for you, use tags
22:21 rangi      i dont want to make a zillion keywords
22:22 dcook      Huh, I didn't know Squeeze was LTS
22:22 dcook      Neato burrito: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/
22:22 dcook      Of course, I upgraded from it ages ago myself. I bet we still have a server or two out in the wild running it..
22:22 rangi      [off] also not sure picking a fight with the person who knows the most about SIP is the best way to get your SIP fixed, not you mtj, the recent commenter
22:25 cait       [off] which bug?
22:26 rangi      [off] dunno, someone recently commented on, i deleted the email so i wouldnt respond
22:27 eythian    eh, they're both right, just talking a bit at cross purposes, it'll resolve itself.
22:27 cait       eythian: bug?
22:27 wahanui    i guess bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
22:28 eythian    [off] cait: 12126
22:44 rangi      right better go entertain the kids
23:00 wnickc     anyone know why koha 3.18.3 form packages might not be seeing Module::Bundled::Files on Ubuntu 14.04?  or why plugins might not be loading?
23:02 eythian    does: perl -MModule::Bundled::Files -e '' say nothing, or say an error?
23:05 wnickc     can't locate class/isa.pm
23:06 wnickc     hm
23:06 eythian    how have you installed koha?
23:06 wnickc     packages
23:06 wahanui    i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
23:07 eythian    hmm
23:07 eythian    try installing libclass-isa-perl
23:07 eythian    I wonder if there's a missing dependency somewhere
23:07 eythian    though, Module::Bundled::Files should depend on that if it needs it
23:08 wnickc     that fixed it all
23:08 wnickc     installing libclass-isa-perl that is
23:09 wnickc     thanks eythian
23:09 eythian    no problem
23:10 eythian    I guess it's a bug in libmodule-bundled-files-perl, the current debian version depends on libblass-isa-perl
23:10 eythian    I think maybe we should make koha depend on that for safety
23:10 wnickc     want me to submit a bug?
23:10 eythian    if you don't mind
23:11 wnickc     shall do
23:18 wnickc     bug 13639
23:18 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , libclass-isa-perl should be a dependency
23:19 eythian    oh!
23:19 eythian    I know what's going on
23:19 eythian    ...
23:19 eythian    maybe
23:20 eythian    wnickc: can you do apt-cache policy libmodule-bundled-files-perl and copy the full version number
23:21 wnickc     0.03-1~koha1 0
23:21 eythian    yep, that's what I thought
23:21 eythian    excellent, I know how to fix that then.
23:22 wnickc     yay!
23:55 dcook      Huh... hadn't heard about GHOST today... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/28/ghost_linux_megavuln_analysis/
23:56 dcook      Well, I guess it's already been out and about for a week or so now?