Time Nick Message 00:04 tcohen dcook: can u add a way to apply multiple XSLts at once please? 00:05 dcook Apply multiple XSLTs or apply the parameters to multiple XSLTs? 00:05 dcook If the former, that sounds like scope creep :p 00:05 tcohen multiple XSLT's to the same XML 00:05 dcook I think I noticed something about that in the listserv.. 00:05 tcohen like XML::LibXSLT::Processor does 00:06 tcohen the idea is that we should reuse the XML DOM, instead of reloading it on each XSLT we want to apply 00:06 dcook It would certainly be useful in a few places 00:06 dcook Reuse the XML DOM? 00:07 tcohen I created a function that makes XSLT out of the frameworks (field/subfield visibility) and one that replaces codes for authorized value descriptions 00:07 dcook :D 00:07 dcook You are a legend! 00:07 tcohen I'd like to apply them both, and after that *Slim2OpacDetail 00:08 tcohen but I don't want XML::LibXSLT to parse the XML for each 00:08 dcook Huh... XML::LibXSLT::Processor is actually written in XS... 00:09 tcohen ->transform seems to return a stylesheet object... which you use to call stylesheet->output_smth( xml ) 00:09 tcohen which is raw XML instead of a proper XML::LibXML object 00:10 tcohen (or however it was called, I was drinking too much fernet) 00:10 * tcohen is on vacation still 00:10 dcook output_smth? 00:11 tcohen my $result = $stylesheet->transform( $record ); 00:12 tcohen $result = $stylesheet_2->transform( XML::LibXML->load_xml( string => $result, no_cdata=>1 ) ); 00:12 tcohen so it creates an XML object out of a string (that needs to be parsed) each tuinmte 00:13 tcohen *time 00:14 dcook That doesn't look right 00:14 dcook According to XML::LibXSLT, transform() returns a new XML::LibXML::Document object 00:14 dcook You wouldn't need to re-load it 00:15 dcook "Transforms the passed in XML::LibXML::Document object, and returns a new XML::LibXML::Document." 00:15 dcook Ah, maybe XSLT_Handler returns raw XML? 00:16 * dcook honestly hasn't looked 00:18 dcook Actually, I think XSLT_Handler->transform() does XML::LibXSLT->output_as_chars($result) 00:18 dcook So I suppose all a person would need to do is make it so that XSLT_Handler->transform() could take multiple XSLTs and then just run through them recursively 00:19 dcook But I have to go back to paid work now :/ 00:25 wizzyrea serials search page - we should be more respectful of people who don't have widescreen monitors :/ 00:26 dcook Yeah, that's probably true 00:26 tcohen damn dcook 00:26 dcook I feel bad for folks who have to set permissions 00:26 tcohen I thought I convinced you heh 00:27 dcook "(catalogue View Catalog (Librarian Interface)" vs "staffaccess Required for staff login. Staff access, allows viewing of catalogue in staff client." 00:27 dcook I'm pretty sure the former is more required than the latter... 00:27 tcohen i think i missed a comma in damn dcook 00:27 dcook tcohen: Haha. :p 00:27 dcook I certainly find it interesting, and kudos to all the work you've done so far :) 00:27 dcook I'm just pretty behind... way too much work to do at the moment here 00:28 dcook I think my next Koha thing will be the OAI harvester 00:28 tcohen i'll do a followup for my work, no worries, just... don't... break the new style API :-D 00:28 dcook And that's barely even on my radar at the moment :S 00:28 dcook :p 00:28 eythian dcook: yeah, I noticed that those permission descriptions are quite inconsistent 00:28 dcook tcohen: Have you seen the patch? I think it's all right! 00:29 dcook eythian: I can't fault people for getting them wrong. I'm just glad they don't yell at me... 00:31 dcook mainpage.pl required "catalogue => 1"... double-checking that one on master... 00:33 dcook Yep 00:33 dcook I wonder where staffaccess even gets used.. 00:33 eythian I wonder if that's the one that lets you modify stuff on other staff users 00:33 dcook Hmm that sounds familiar 00:33 wizzyrea it's the only time that the designation of staff category means something. 00:34 eythian yeah 00:34 wizzyrea a borrower in the staff category can't modify another borrower in the staff category 00:34 dcook eythian: (permissions) Allow staff members to modify permissions for other staff members 00:34 dcook Is that the one? 00:34 eythian I think so 00:34 eythian I just remember seeing it in the code recently 00:44 dcook wizzyrea: I think it might be that you can only edit other staff members if you have that permission 00:44 dcook Man... that's so badly labelled 00:44 dcook Tabs... there are too many.. 00:45 wizzyrea yeah, you described the success case, I described the restricted case :) 00:46 dcook :) 00:47 dcook Ok, this has to be patched. 00:47 * dcook heads to bzilla 00:47 eythian fixing the descriptions? 00:47 dcook Yep 00:47 eythian good :) 00:48 dcook I just had someone asking me what on earth they missed, and while I spotted it immediately, I could see why they didn't 00:48 dcook They checked the "required" box but not the one with the vague description and no "required" label :p 00:49 eythian yeah 00:49 eythian I could see thta being easy to do 00:53 dcook lolz 00:53 dcook The "Help" file has the correct descriptions. 00:53 * dcook just realized it might be a good idea to update both places... 00:54 wizzyrea you don't have to have staffaccess to access the staff client 00:54 dcook Oh well. Easy fix.. 00:54 wizzyrea it's not required. 00:54 dcook Exactly 00:54 wizzyrea you do have to have it to edit other staff members though. 00:54 eythian it's a silly name for a permission 00:54 dcook Agreed 00:54 wizzyrea yes, most definitely is that. 00:54 eythian and 'catalogue' is a bad name for something that lets you access the staff client 00:55 wizzyrea also true :) 00:55 wizzyrea tbh those are probably there for hysterical raisins. 00:55 eythian what happens if you want to have a staff member who can only do borrower managment, and not actually access the catalogue :) 00:55 wizzyrea @quote get 123 00:55 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 00:55 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 00:56 dcook ^ 00:57 wizzyrea that same staff member would still have access to the opac, even if opacpublic was turned off. 00:57 wizzyrea you can't actually do that, I think. 00:57 dcook Eww... we store the descriptions in the database... 00:57 wizzyrea yeah, it's AMAZEBALLS isn't it 00:57 dcook Poor non-English speakers... 00:58 * dcook hates changing the database... 00:58 eythian we what? 00:58 wahanui we are not at all envious ;-) 00:58 eythian why would we do that? 00:59 * wizzyrea really needs to find a gif for "hysterical raisins" 00:59 dcook Probably hysterical raisins 00:59 dcook Yes, yes you do, wizzyrea. 01:02 wizzyrea http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/shm2.gif not it, but still funny 01:04 wizzyrea http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif < the current cause of my giggles 01:05 dcook hehe 01:05 dcook That's going on my old English department's FB page.. 01:06 eythian wahanui: tl;dr is <reply>http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif 01:06 wahanui OK, eythian. 01:06 dcook lol 01:06 wizzyrea <3 01:11 dcook Oooh. I think I might be able to do something up for the permissions which is stored in the template so easy to change and translate... 01:11 dcook Really should be working on something else, but this annoys me to no end. 01:12 dcook Oh... I wonder if I could even change the labels... 01:12 dcook Well, not change the labels per se 01:12 dcook Mmm, maybe leave that for another day... 01:17 dcook Ah, the subpermissions use hard-coded strings rather than numbers... boo 01:19 wizzyrea there's quite a bit of bad in there :( 01:19 dcook Hysterical raisins I'm sure 01:19 wizzyrea http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg this is as close as I could find 01:19 dcook I'm sorry. I just can't get raisins out of my head n ow. 01:20 dcook lol 01:20 wizzyrea hysterical raisins is <reply> http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg 01:20 wizzyrea hysterical raisins 01:20 wahanui http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2008/hyst-raisins.jpg 01:20 wizzyrea winning. 01:20 wahanui Thanks, Mr Sheen. 01:20 wizzyrea that's an upgrade for me. 01:20 dcook Who needs Watson when you have Wahanui? 01:26 eythian http://abcnews.go.com/Health/spongebob-squarepants-turns-childs-ray/story?id=28530819 01:38 wizzyrea parent me just had a bit of a heart attack seeing that. 01:41 eythian wait, you swallowed a parent‽ 01:44 eythian oh, you didn't say 'parent in me' 01:44 eythian damn, it would have been funnier had you did 01:44 eythian way to ruin my joke, wizzyrea 01:50 wizzyrea *snerk* 02:30 dcook Hmm, where is an oleonard when you need him... 02:31 wizzyrea sleeping, or nearly sleeping, I hope. 02:31 dcook Me thinks that /koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/includes/opac-authorities.inc could never work... 02:31 dcook I can't see any way of processing a Template Toolkit block from an external file 02:31 dcook I would've sworn paxed did it, but I must be mistaken 02:32 dcook I think it should be possible.. 02:32 wizzyrea maybe I'm misunderstanding what you've said, but don't we do this all the time? 02:32 dcook Nope, never 02:32 dcook So yes I think I'm not conveying myself 02:32 dcook I mean the [% BLOCK %] directive 02:32 dcook Processing one of those guys from an external file 02:32 wizzyrea oh 02:32 wizzyrea yes, I misunderstood you 02:32 dcook We [% INCLUDE %] stuff all the time 02:33 dcook But for some reason, you can't INCLUDE a BLOCK from another file 02:33 dcook :S 02:33 dcook Maybe our TT version is old.. 02:33 dcook Although the maintainer was talking about this back in 2002... 02:34 dcook Maybe I'm misunderstanding him :) 02:34 dcook Ha... it looks like I was misunderstanding him 02:34 dcook But it means even more changes.. 02:35 dcook And it doesn't look like it's officially documented... 02:35 dcook Which seems sketchy 02:37 dcook Version 2.24? 02:38 dcook 2.26 looks like the newest 02:44 dcook Actually, I suppose you might be able to cheat... 03:10 dcook Sweet Mary. There are 73 sub permissions? 03:11 eythian goodness 03:12 dcook I might have to write a script to make the script 03:20 dcook Hmm, that actually worked really well 03:20 dcook 16 line Perl script ftw 03:21 dcook Could've even been shorter ;) 03:25 tcohen dcook: something like columns.def but for permissions should work, with a template plugin. Then we just add a guideline that keep it up-to-date as a QA rule 03:25 dcook I thought about using a template plugin, but figured there would still be a translation issue 03:26 dcook But yeah, the columns.def/systempreferences thing definitely sprang to mind.. 03:26 dcook Wait... maybe not columns.def 03:26 dcook What's columns.def? 03:27 dcook Interesting.. 03:27 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 03:29 dcook tcohen: Well, I'll post my patch, but happy to hear criticism :) 03:31 dcook At the moment, I'm just checking to see if we could nuke `permissions.description` 03:34 jcamins dcook: how odd. 03:34 jcamins The block worked fine for me when I wrote it. 03:35 dcook jcamins: I was wondering if you wrote it. It said Owen, but I figured that might be a bootstrap thing... 03:35 jcamins Yeah, I wrote it. 03:35 dcook Does it work for you now? 03:36 dcook It looks perfectly sensible. 03:36 jcamins I don't have a Koha installation so I can't check. 03:36 dcook Ah, fair enough 03:36 dcook I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash, I suppose 03:38 dcook Aha! Good thing I didn't just nuke `permissions.description` 03:38 dcook It's used in C4::Auth :S 03:39 eythian if you want to nuke C4::Auth and rewrite it to be tidy, I wouldn't object. 03:39 dcook hehe 03:39 dcook Oh the temptation... 03:41 dcook I really don't see why C4::Auth even uses `permissions.description`... 03:41 dcook I don't think it does for anything except truthiness 03:41 dcook Maybe not even then.. 03:41 dcook No... probably for that 03:41 * dcook grumbles 03:42 dcook Well, I guess member-flags.pl would also use it.. 03:43 dcook Oh... oh that's where it is used 03:54 eythian https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Locale-Maketext/lib/Locale/Maketext/TPJ13.pod 03:55 dcook Hmm... haspermission() doesn't look right... 03:56 dcook eythian: This is why we're still storing permission descriptions in the database :p 03:56 eythian heh 03:56 dcook How does it go... 03:56 dcook How long is a piece of string? 03:57 dcook Ah wait haspermission() looks OK after all... 03:59 eythian wahanui: internet explorer 03:59 wahanui i guess internet explorer is https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1236471_10151582918166526_280952799_n.png 03:59 eythian wahanui: literal internet explorer 03:59 wahanui eythian: internet explorer =is= https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1236471_10151582918166526_280952799_n.png 03:59 dcook get_all_subpermissions() is the only whacky one.. 03:59 eythian no wahanui, internet explorer is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/3B0pt3M.jpg 03:59 wahanui okay, eythian. 04:09 dcook bug 13632 04:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Use a translateable file instead of the database for managing permission descriptions 04:10 dcook There's my shot at it :) 04:10 dcook bug 13631 will change the description once we decide on a better way of managing the permission descriptions... 04:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13631 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Permission description wrong for catalogue and staffaccess 04:15 eythian dcook: is a giant case statement the best way? Is it possible to have a hash or something perhaps? This may impact translatablility, so it's just a thought. 04:31 dcook Yeah, it didn't seem the most optimal, but it's what sprang to mind first. 04:31 dcook The hash could work though 04:31 dcook Possibly 04:31 dcook Although then it's still just a big if/else, no? 04:31 dcook if/elsif/else 04:32 dcook wth... 04:34 dcook Actually, a lot of member-flags.tt and member-flags.pl should probably be re-written 04:36 eythian well, a hash isn't an if/else, it's like a keyed database 04:36 dcook Right, but you'd need to be testing it 04:36 dcook Or doing the lookup somehow 04:37 dcook I suppose the thing to do is loop through the main permissions 04:37 eythian yeah, but it doesn't do a big if/else comparison, it converts the key to a value and then just does an array lookup on that value 04:37 eythian tbh I'd probably leave it as is for now 04:37 eythian it's modular enough it can be changed later if wanted 04:37 dcook leave which? 04:37 eythian leave it the way you have it 04:38 dcook ah 04:38 eythian with the cases 04:38 dcook Yeah, I'm not working on it anymore today :p 04:38 eythian fair enough :) 04:38 dcook I think tcohen has an idea for what he might prefer anyway 04:38 * eythian notes that the design of authority searching is very different to that of biblio searching. 04:38 eythian which shouldn't surprise me. 04:39 dcook me either 04:39 * eythian will attempt to fit a round peg into a square hole and make them a bit more similar. 04:40 eythian i.e. where you generate a query, and then search with that query 04:40 eythian in the thunking to the original code, it'll just be a noop on the query building 04:40 eythian or it'll stash the values somewhere 04:40 eythian that's probably a better idea 04:41 dcook I have no idea what you're talking about, but I always figured it was easier to put a round peg in a square hole than a square peg in a round hole 04:42 dcook Mind you, I suppose I automatically assume that the round peg is smaller than the square hole... 04:42 dcook I'm just going to stop talking now 04:42 eythian in biblio searching, you make a query, and then run the searcher with that query 04:42 dcook yep 04:42 eythian in authority searching, it's all one step 04:42 dcook O_o 04:43 dcook That seems... 04:43 dcook Less good 04:43 eythian yeah 04:43 dcook On the plus side, I missed the rain when I went to get food 04:43 dcook I figured I'd leave my umbrella, because really... what's the chance it's going to rain in the next 5 minutes since it's been raining for 2 days straight? 04:44 eythian we're supposed to have a bit of rain this evening, but I'd be surprised. 04:44 eythian I should water the plants at my place 04:44 dcook Doesn't sound like a bad idea 05:06 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:06 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 27.0°C (5:30 PM NZDT on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 05:06 dcook @wunder syd 05:06 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (3:30 PM AEDT on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 05:07 eythian 20 would be nice 05:07 dcook Hmm, seems our weather fortunes have reversed 05:07 dcook Yeah, it's not bad 05:07 dcook The sky looks like it's clearing a bit too 06:10 paxed dcook: iirc, a giant hash is ugly to translate, as the translation toolchain just gets the hash int oa single msgid in the po-files 06:12 dcook paxed: I was thinking of just using the hash as a mechanism, and using a separate file still for the translating. 06:12 dcook That probably sounds rather vague.. 06:12 dcook I would definitely like more input from translators for that one 06:12 dcook I have to run, but feel free to leave me your input, paxed :) 06:14 * paxed is wondering why zebra still insists on returning non-existent auth records on auth search. 06:14 paxed even after reindex. 06:15 paxed hm. maybe the -r flag to rebuild_zebra 06:18 dcook That would help :) 07:25 ashimema morning 08:00 reiveune hello 08:01 ashimema hi reiveune 08:01 alex_a bonjour 08:01 wahanui hi, alex_a 08:02 reiveune hi ashimema 08:05 fridolin hie all 08:17 fridolin I have a question about acquisition module : when creating a new order from empty, the default framework is used exept for items fields. Shouldn't ACQ framework be used for other fields also ? 08:23 Joubu1 fridolin: there is a patch ;) 08:26 Joubu1 fridolin: bug 12743 08:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Allow default values from the ACQ framework to be used when creating a record in acquisitions 08:28 fridolin Joubu1: yes but new record will be created with default framework, not ACQ 08:29 fridolin in neworderempty, record creation uses the frameworkcode parameter : 08:29 fridolin $params->{'frameworkcode'} or $params->{'frameworkcode'} = ""; 08:29 fridolin ( $biblionumber, $bibitemnum ) = AddBiblio( $marcrecord, $params->{'frameworkcode'} ); 08:29 fridolin but this parameter does not exist un template 08:30 gaetan_B hello 08:31 Joubu1 fridolin: ok, I didn't get it 08:32 Joubu1 fridolin: what is the value of AcqCreateItem? 08:33 fridolin items are created when ordering 08:37 Joubu1 fridolin: ok, that's what my patch does 08:37 * magnuse waves 08:39 magnuse paxed: you indexed with the -a flag, right? (sometimes its the obvious things... ;-) 08:39 Joubu1 fridolin: no, that's not what is does :) 08:39 Joubu1 sorry... 08:40 fridolin Joubu1: but your patch does not not edit neworderempty.pol 08:40 fridolin o_O 08:40 Joubu1 That's *not* what it does 08:40 Joubu1 forget that 08:40 wahanui Joubu1: I forgot that 08:41 * Joubu1 is going to get some more tea 08:58 cait hi #koha 08:58 ashimema morning cait 09:02 mtj hi all 09:02 mtj anyone here running any koha/overdrive setups? 09:03 mtj bywater/catalyst/ptfs-europe ? 09:03 drojf hi #koha 09:04 ashimema we've played with it mtj.. but are yet to have a customer go live on it.. 09:04 ashimema what's up mtj? 09:04 mtj we've hit a slightly weird od/koha auth issue.. looks like its a koha sip bug? 09:05 mtj i just wanna confirm whether other people have hit it too 09:05 ashimema interesting.. we've not delved all that deep yet.. but I'd be happy to rubber duck with you if it helps ;) 09:05 mtj it seems to be a similar situ. to this SEC bug 12126 09:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12126 is not accessible. 09:07 ashimema hmm.. I left colin to that one.. I'll ask him to show up here.. but he's not online yet this morning 09:08 mtj np 09:08 Joubu1 mtj: (just to be sure) did you see my comment on bug 13458? 09:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search 09:12 mtj thanks Joubu1, ill aim to get it added to next release 09:14 cait everyone around, could you help solve the missing piece on the allowonshelfholds bug? :) 09:15 cait bug 5786 09:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix 09:20 ashimema I think we both agree on it cait.. just need some other opinions 09:21 cait yeah maybe one more - and if we don't get another idea go with it? 09:21 ashimema I think so. 09:21 ashimema it's an awesome feature 09:22 cait yeah - i really hope we didn't miss something 09:22 cait but i want it :) 09:22 cait actually i have wanted this one for years... if you scroll up in history of it :( 09:22 ashimema hehe.. us too 09:22 cait my first comment: 2011-12-20 20:44:27 09:22 ashimema but we've never had the commitment to work on it ;) 09:23 ashimema I'm currently fighting the urge to clean up the account code 09:23 ashimema add an api route for it is proving 'intersting' 09:23 cait don't figt it...:P 09:23 ashimema I don't have time to do it 'properly' 09:23 ashimema that being the issue 09:24 Joubu1 maybe gaetan_B has an opinion about this :) 09:26 gaetan_B about bug 5786 ? 09:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix 09:26 * gaetan_B reading it 09:26 gaetan_B oooooh 09:26 gaetan_B yes this sounds very interesting indeed 09:27 cait gaetan_B: it is :) 09:28 cait it's been one of those with a looong history 09:28 cait i hope we can get it in now 09:28 Joubu1 cait: what's wrong with total on your screenshot? (bug 13320) 09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13320 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Some prices calculation are done in template side 09:29 cait it doesn't fit the amounts over it 09:29 gaetan_B cait: the history is indeed *very* long, what is the exact question input is needed on now ? 09:29 cait gaetan_B: start at the bottom maybe 09:30 cait theo pen question is: what happens when the record has items with different itemtypes 09:30 cait and oneof the itemtypes is set to 'force item level hold' 09:30 cait Joubu: and we don't show the amount of the actual costs anywhere 09:31 cait which would be 40 here 09:31 cait and the total shoudl add up to 40 09:31 cait but it says 39 09:31 Joubu1 cait: ha, did look at the correct screenshot! 09:31 Joubu1 not* 09:32 cait ah sorry, missed that i had some old ones on it too :) 09:32 Joubu1 cait: If it is the same before and after the patch, try to keep in mind this example for next patches :) 09:33 cait the weird thing is 09:33 cait i think the old screenshots show the same order 09:33 cait but there the amount is right? 09:34 Joubu1 cait: it a rounding problem I think 09:35 Joubu1 so it does not appear in all cases 09:35 Joubu1 makes sense? 09:40 gaetan_B cait: ok, after some reading i think i share your opinion, which you seem to be sharing with ashimema: if one item is set to force, then it's item-level hold for all the items attached to the record 09:40 ashimema awesome.. 09:40 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema 09:41 ashimema I think that's enough consensus cait 09:41 cait Joubu - still weird in this case - no taxes and even amounts 09:41 cait Joubu: i don't see where the rounding problem could happen 09:41 cait i think it's showing the amounts from the est cost 09:42 cait instead of the actual cost 09:42 cait hm the sum is the sum of the estimated costs, but we don't show the sum of the actual costs 09:42 cait hope that makes sense 09:44 cait gah confusing :) 09:45 Joubu1 cait: what is the conf of the supplier? 09:46 cait can't check right now :( 09:47 cait but i think it's inc inc 09:47 cait maybe we could just check how thte total amount is calculated? if it uses the actual or estimated? 09:52 Joubu1 cait: 39 = 27+12 09:52 Joubu1 it's the estimated cost 09:55 cait yeah, but it lists the actual cost aboe 09:55 cait the total seems to either show estimated or actual, is that possible? but the amount only looks at the estimated 09:57 cait ashimema: yep i think so, hope srdjan agrees too :) 09:59 ashimema I reckon he will :) 10:00 Joubu1 cait: tested on the super_tax_rewrite_branch and the total column looks good (i.e. actual cost is used) 10:01 cait yay 10:01 cait ok, then we can drop this here 10:01 cait i will try to look at more tax things tonight :) 10:01 Joubu1 cait: actually only bug 12975 is in the qa queue 10:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Refactor VAT and price calculation - basketgroup page 10:02 cait yeah i saw there are some more 10:02 cait i think i started work on the order creator search last night 10:02 cait might finish that first 10:02 cait i went by the change date after working on some of the bugs 10:04 cait Joubu1: i saw that you worked on oneof the sip patches, could you maybe take on 13432 too? 10:04 Joubu1 cait: yep 10:07 cait thx :) 10:26 * magnuse waves at akafred 10:26 magnuse bug 13432 10:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13432 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP Server does not respect timeout setting 10:29 * akafred waves back and invites magnuse to come to Oslo after work for 'wurst' and beer 10:29 magnuse ooh, that is tempting 10:29 * magnuse goes looking for his skis 10:29 magnuse @wunder boo 10:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (11:20 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 28.85 in 977 hPa (Falling). 10:30 * cait waves too 10:30 magnuse s/Rain/Snow - big, wet chunks of it/ 10:30 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:30 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 4.0°C (11:20 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 10:31 drojf i saw a shiny thing an hour ago. somebody called it "sun". it's gone again though 10:31 cait hm... i don't believe in your shiny thing 10:31 * magnuse neither 10:32 sophie_m cait : it's here :) 10:32 sophie_m @wunder Marseille 10:32 huginn sophie_m: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 8.8°C (11:31 AM CET on January 28, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 10:32 cait sophie_m: is this just a trick to lure us to MArseille? 10:33 sophie_m no, braight sun and blue sky today :) 10:33 cait hmmm 10:33 sophie_m s/braight/bright/ 10:34 cait sophie_m: i will check your story about the bright thing in march :) it better is still there then! 10:34 sophie_m :) 10:43 paxed magnuse: yes, indeed, i did use -a 10:45 ashimema Cheers for rebasing the SIP INC patch against that other passed qa sip bug Joubu.. was about to pester ColinC for that ;) 10:45 ashimema you beat me to it ;) 10:46 Joubu ashimema: yes, I was on it, so easy to do :) 10:46 magnuse paxed: good 10:49 ashimema :) 10:49 DanSwano Hello! I'm sorry for my bad English. I'm trying to make a fresh install Koha 3.18.03 on Wheezy. When I log in as koha_lib user, the system warns that I should create a patron with superlibrarian rights. I create patron category "Admin" with type "staff" and then I create a patron in "Admin" category. But when I try to set permissions I see empty page with "Save" and "Cancel" buttons, why? 10:50 paxed importing auths and deleting unwanted ones needs too many reindexings before they show up correctly. 10:53 Joubu ashimema: I have just found commit 0f5dc609e0d94e804869b5994ba2b19bc97980ac, maybe it could be reverted 10:53 Joubu (C4::Auth cleaning stuff) 10:53 ashimema ooh.. 10:53 ashimema Nice spot Joubu.. 10:54 ashimema I'll open a bug with a reversion patch.. (I'm betting it won't revert cleanly this far down the line ;) ) 10:56 cait DanSwano: did you install using packages? 10:56 cait DanSwano: in which language did you install? 10:57 DanSwano cait, yes, using apt-get. Installation was done in English and then I add Russian 10:57 cait hm 10:57 cait try switching to english, does it make a difference for the permissions page? 10:57 DanSwano cait, I already tried, no matter 10:58 cait the permissions are stored in the database...wonder if there is something wrog with that 10:58 cait are you familiar with sql? 10:58 DanSwano cait, yes, a little bit 10:59 DanSwano cait, I can use mysql cli client 11:02 magnuse tiffintime! 11:03 cait hm maybe take a look if there are entries in userflags table 11:04 DanSwano cait, that table is empty 11:04 cait hm that's not good 11:04 cait it means you are missing some of the mandatory data that shoudl be installed by the web installer 11:05 cait did you run the web installer in the browser? 11:17 cait DanSwano: i'd suggest starting fresh creating a new instance and making sure that the mandatory sample data are all installed 11:50 DanSwano cait, yes, I already run web installer and select all checkboxes. Then I deleted all base using koha-remove and create it again via koha-create 12:02 cait hm 12:02 cait and ran the web installer again? 12:03 DanSwano cait, yes. Both times there was some errors 12:03 ashimema what errors? 12:03 cait yeah, that's an intersting bit 12:03 DanSwano I can repeat the process 12:03 cait you can paste the results here paste.koha-community.org 12:04 ashimema koha-remove.. 12:04 wahanui it has been said that koha-remove is for removing instances. 12:04 ashimema make sure the database is actually deleted using mysql cli 12:04 ashimema koha-create.. 12:04 wahanui i think koha-create is part of the package :) 12:04 DanSwano should I reinstall koha-common package? 12:04 ashimema give us any errors that pop out :) 12:04 ashimema the koha-common package should be fine.. which repo are you following.. stable I hope? 12:04 ashimema packages? 12:04 wahanui i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 12:05 DanSwano I use http://debian.koha-community.org/koha stable main 12:05 ashimema that's the right one :) 12:06 DanSwano wait a bit 12:07 ashimema :) 12:10 DanSwano 1. koha-remove lib 12:10 DanSwano the koha_lib database has been removed 12:13 DanSwano 2. koha-create --create-db lib 12:13 DanSwano Koha instance is empty, no staff user created. 12:13 DanSwano [ ok ] Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . 12:13 DanSwano Starting Zebra server for lib 12:13 wahanui i already had it that way, DanSwano. 12:16 DanSwano and then I go to the web installer 12:16 DanSwano step 1: language - English 12:17 DanSwano All dependencies installed. 12:17 DanSwano Step 2: Database koha_lib exists. 12:17 DanSwano User koha_lib has all required privileges on database koha_lib. 12:18 DanSwano Step 3: Database tables created 12:19 DanSwano Now I install basic configuration settings 12:19 DanSwano MARC flavor: unimarc 12:19 cait marcelr++ 12:19 cait DanSwano: quick check 12:19 cait why are you picking unimarc? where are you located? 12:20 DanSwano cait, Russia 12:20 cait ah don't know about russia, but did you check which is the common flavour in your area? 12:20 ashimema skolkovo universtiy is using Marc21 12:20 ashimema they're in russia 12:20 ashimema but then I'm no expert by any means 12:22 DanSwano I know that many institutes and univercities using unimarc but I am not familiar with library software 12:22 cait DanSwano: the 'problem' is that both formats are quite different 12:22 DanSwano well, I can try MARC21 12:22 cait and the use differes from coutnry to country - so it's good to check so you don't have problems later interchanging data or downloading/reusing data from other catalogs 12:22 DanSwano if it helps to locate a problem 12:23 cait so that's something you shoudl check and also the format you picked in your instance config file should match what you pick here 12:23 cait so search works correctly later 12:23 cait it's probably not related tot he issue with permissions- but good to know to avoid other problems later 12:23 ashimema I'm not aware of anyone running koha from packages using Unimarc.. i can't see it affecting your error.. but worth mentioning 12:24 ashimema yup.. what cait said 12:24 DanSwano cait, I'm not an expert in this area, let's repeat with MARC21 12:24 cait ashimema: can you give the name of the file where it states what marc flavour is used? 12:24 cait DanSwano: wait a quick second maybe - let's make sure we have it matching first 12:25 DanSwano cait, yes, I'm waiting 12:25 ashimema I'm not exactly sure to be honest cait.. 12:25 ashimema Joubu.. do you know the answer to caits question? 12:25 paxed okay, wtf. linking bibs to auth made a link from 651a ("Peru") to topical term "perro sin pelo del perú" 12:25 cait i think i mean this one /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf 12:26 ashimema I'd imagine that all the stuff in koha-conf.xml that relates to marc21 should end up as a unimarc instead 12:26 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 12:27 cait DanSwano: could you take a look at the file on your system to see if there it states marc21 or unimarc? 12:27 ashimema indeed.. you are right cait. 12:28 DanSwano cait, koha-sites.conf? ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="unimarc" written there 12:28 ashimema hmm.. sounds like a bug to me that the package asks the user what marc version in the web installer.. if it then goes behind the scenes and sets other stuff to marc21 hardcoded. 12:28 ashimema well that's good DanSwano.. means you've already made the right change there. 12:28 cait yep 12:28 cait so let's continue with unimarc here 12:29 DanSwano yes, after install there was "marc21" 12:29 DanSwano so what now? select default settings? 12:30 cait did you pick unimarc or marc21? 12:30 DanSwano I've picked unimarc 12:30 cait and yes, just keep it to default maybe or use 'check all' at he top 12:30 cait good :) 12:30 DanSwano then I select all sample data 12:30 cait just keep in mind that those have to match - the file and what you pick, it will save you headache 12:30 cait make sure that the one for the permissions is checked especially 12:32 DanSwano all mandatory checkboxes are already checked so I'm checking an optional checkboxes 12:33 DanSwano Hmm! Now everything are imported without an errors 12:33 cait for the problem you saw with permissions the mandatory shoudl be enough - but the optional should not cause problems 12:33 cait oh 12:33 cait can you see if the userflags is ok now? 12:33 DanSwano just a moment 12:34 DanSwano yes! the "userflags" table is filled! 12:35 cait good sign! 12:35 DanSwano now I try to add ru-RU lang 12:36 DanSwano how can I change the password for koha_lib? 12:37 cait DanSwano: you normally keep the one that is generated - it's not used later, only for updates 12:38 DanSwano cait, ok 12:38 cait but if you want to, i think changing it in the koha-conf.xml file and then also in mysql for the database 12:38 cait it's kind of a super user that should only be used in special circumstances 12:38 cait normally you will only need to work witht he superlibrairan that you now can hopefully create :) 12:39 DanSwano cait, how can I correct errors in the Russian language file? 12:40 DanSwano and why after koha-translate --install ru-RU I cannot see the panel with language select? 12:44 DanSwano sorry, the last question is answered 12:44 cait DanSwano: you can get an account for translate.koha-community.org and help translating 12:45 cait all the translations are stored in .po files that are updated witht he release of the versions from what has been done on translate.koha... 12:45 DanSwano cait, thank you! 12:45 cait have fun with your Koha :) 12:46 magnuse cait++ 12:46 DanSwano cait, I am a sysadmin so our library staff will try to work with it :) 12:49 cait hm one more thing 12:49 cait you might wnt to look into setting up ICU 12:50 cait it's needed to search non-latin scripts 12:50 DanSwano cait, where? 12:50 wahanui i think cait, is there anyway in the koha admin interface to import serials for magazine publication for instance? 12:50 cait i think this might help 12:50 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records 12:50 cait you don't need the arabic rules of course 12:51 cait there is a standard file in koha that works nicely for us with hebrew 12:51 cait so I'd go with the standard file and not modify it for now 12:51 DanSwano cait, ok, will see 12:55 DanSwano right before when I install koha, I added RU lang before web install and then I seen all messages in Russian. Also there was item types in Russian too, but now all are in English so I should translate them into Russian. How can I add Russian sample data? 13:20 cait DanSwano: hm that might be the reason of hte problems earlier 13:20 cait the web installer files are sql files 13:21 cait sometimes the other languages (not en) get out of sync 13:21 cait if they are not actively maintained 13:21 cait if you want to fix them you could send us the patches 13:21 DanSwano cait, I understand 13:23 DanSwano so web installer adds some libraries like Franklin, we don't needs these libraries but I can't delete its because tere are patrons registered there. How can I solve this situation? 13:24 cait i think the easiest way would be to do it once more 13:24 cait and from the optional data don't select the sample libraries and patrons 13:24 cait but keep the mandatory 13:25 cait or select only some of the sample data 13:25 DanSwano cait, there is no other way? 13:25 cait personally i thik the labels sample data and the authorised values are quite useful 13:25 cait not an easy way 13:25 cait there is a script do delete patrons i think 13:25 cait you'd have to run that first and get them all deleted 13:25 cait then you can delete the libraries from the gui 13:26 DanSwano how can I display all users? 13:26 cait you can do a search for % 13:27 DanSwano oh, 50 sample users 13:28 cait maybe you can also use the patron batch edit... not sure if that can delete yet 13:28 cait i think there was a patch for deleting patrons in batch, but not sure it made itin hm 13:29 DanSwano I'll try to delete them manually 13:55 fridolin "The show must go on" for Bug 9351 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9351 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , item type not recorded correctly in statistics for returns and some local use 14:06 cait fridolin: hope it works now ;) 14:35 Joubu On bug 13637, Could my proposition work or I missed something? 14:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13637 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make the permission's descriptions translatable in template 14:36 cait looking 14:37 cait Joubu: i think deleting the sql files is not possible unless you build a fallback like we have for the sysprefs 14:38 cait Joubu: currntly if the file is not in the translated installer directory it won't get installed (no fallback uatomatically) 14:38 cait also it will break some sql reports people have - but those can be fixed 14:39 Joubu cait: the sysprefs.sql file in installed, why it couldn't be possible for others? 14:39 Joubu ok 14:40 Joubu so it's possible : 14:40 Joubu :) 14:40 cait yep, just needs a bit more thought 14:41 cait but if we do this, we should get rid of the sql files in the translated directories 14:41 cait i think there is a patch from bernardo doing something like this for the lanugage sql files somewhere 14:41 cait those already include the translations- so they also make no sense in lots of copies 14:42 cait commented on the bug too 14:44 Joubu thanks 15:18 tcohen @later tell eythian is it possible to backport te newer DBIx::Class to Squeeze? 15:18 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:20 cait hi tcohen 15:22 tcohen hi cait 15:56 ashimema hi tcohen 16:06 reiveune bye 17:01 JoeLib001 Hello. :-) 17:01 JoeLib001 I am having troubles with finding an Acquisitions Record using the Catalog. 17:02 JoeLib001 Did something change regarding Acquisitions Records and the Catalog? Or perhaps hiding records? 17:03 JoeLib001 I had set the Acquisitions Records to Hide from the OPAC, but I was able to search for them from the Staff Client. I was also able to pull them in from Z39.50 on a different Client. 17:04 JoeLib001 Now, I can search for the order in Acquisitions, but I can't search for the Record in the Catalog. 17:18 fridolin see u 17:29 JoeLib001 Hmm..., actually looks like Zebra's broken.... XD 17:41 JoeLib001 Yeah.., Zebra's Broken... XD 17:42 JoeLib001 Well, it's not indexing for me. I'll beat my head against the correct Brick Wall now. 17:52 cait oleonard++ thx 17:52 cait :) 17:53 cait my coworkers are testing 3.18 - finding things i never noticed 17:53 oleonard Silly bug, easy fix 17:53 cait :) 17:53 bag caits_co_workers++ 17:56 cait heya bag :) 17:57 gaetan_B bye 20:28 wnickc does anyone know how a fine will be calulcated if the fines cap is not a multiple of the fine amount? i.e. We charge $10 a day with a max of $75. Will the final day be a half charge, or will it stop at $70 20:29 cait half charge 20:29 cait at least last time i tested :) 20:29 wnickc thanks cait 20:47 mtj ping bag_away, khall_away for an overdrive Q 20:47 mtj hi all 20:47 cait hi mtj :) 20:48 mtj ..any other bywater folk on #koha, know about OD? 20:50 wnickc mtj: about the integratrion? 20:51 mtj specifically a bug ive bumped into 20:51 mtj i want to confirm whether other koha/OD systems have it, too 20:52 wnickc it's on our test site so I can check 20:52 mtj ah ok, that would work :p 21:09 eythian hi 21:09 wahanui hey, eythian 21:11 eythian @later tcohen probably not, I think I tried with some part of it once and it ended up having to update half of the modules on the system. 21:11 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 21:11 eythian @later tell tcohen probably not, I think I tried with some part of it once and it ended up having to update half of the modules on the system. 21:11 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 21:12 cait cryptic 21:12 cait morning eythian 21:12 eythian cait: oh, he wants an updated DBIx::Class in squeeze 21:13 eythian It's unlikely that's going to happen 21:13 eythian I just want to a) upgrade all my servers that are still squeeze to wheezy/jessie when it's out, and b) remove support for squeeze. 21:22 mtj yeah, fair enough 21:25 mtj ..i think its great that squeeze is LTS, but i dont think we should be obligated to support Koha on squeeze for that long, too 21:33 eythian yeah, definitely 21:33 wizzyrea tl;dr? 21:33 wahanui http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif 21:40 mtj peeps, a bugzilla Q... how should i be tagging bugs for my 3.16.x releases? 21:41 mtj hmm, i think i know that q already 21:41 mtj rangi: about? 21:42 mtj i really need some 3.16.x keywords added to BZ, so i can track bugs for my upcoming 3.16.x releases 21:42 wizzyrea theoretically rangi is on holiday. 21:46 mtj aah, ok :p all good 21:50 eythian I wonder if mtj actually stuck out his tongue in response to that 22:03 wnickc purely theoretical vacations can leave a bad taste in your mouth 22:21 rangi mtj: if its just for you, use tags 22:21 rangi i dont want to make a zillion keywords 22:22 dcook Huh, I didn't know Squeeze was LTS 22:22 dcook Neato burrito: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ 22:22 dcook Of course, I upgraded from it ages ago myself. I bet we still have a server or two out in the wild running it.. 22:22 rangi [off] also not sure picking a fight with the person who knows the most about SIP is the best way to get your SIP fixed, not you mtj, the recent commenter 22:25 cait [off] which bug? 22:26 rangi [off] dunno, someone recently commented on, i deleted the email so i wouldnt respond 22:27 eythian eh, they're both right, just talking a bit at cross purposes, it'll resolve itself. 22:27 cait eythian: bug? 22:27 wahanui i guess bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 22:28 eythian [off] cait: 12126 22:44 rangi right better go entertain the kids 23:00 wnickc anyone know why koha 3.18.3 form packages might not be seeing Module::Bundled::Files on Ubuntu 14.04? or why plugins might not be loading? 23:02 eythian does: perl -MModule::Bundled::Files -e '' say nothing, or say an error? 23:05 wnickc can't locate class/isa.pm 23:06 wnickc hm 23:06 eythian how have you installed koha? 23:06 wnickc packages 23:06 wahanui i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 23:07 eythian hmm 23:07 eythian try installing libclass-isa-perl 23:07 eythian I wonder if there's a missing dependency somewhere 23:07 eythian though, Module::Bundled::Files should depend on that if it needs it 23:08 wnickc that fixed it all 23:08 wnickc installing libclass-isa-perl that is 23:09 wnickc thanks eythian 23:09 eythian no problem 23:10 eythian I guess it's a bug in libmodule-bundled-files-perl, the current debian version depends on libblass-isa-perl 23:10 eythian I think maybe we should make koha depend on that for safety 23:10 wnickc want me to submit a bug? 23:10 eythian if you don't mind 23:11 wnickc shall do 23:18 wnickc bug 13639 23:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , libclass-isa-perl should be a dependency 23:19 eythian oh! 23:19 eythian I know what's going on 23:19 eythian ... 23:19 eythian maybe 23:20 eythian wnickc: can you do apt-cache policy libmodule-bundled-files-perl and copy the full version number 23:21 wnickc 0.03-1~koha1 0 23:21 eythian yep, that's what I thought 23:21 eythian excellent, I know how to fix that then. 23:22 wnickc yay! 23:55 dcook Huh... hadn't heard about GHOST today... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/28/ghost_linux_megavuln_analysis/ 23:56 dcook Well, I guess it's already been out and about for a week or so now?