Time  Nick         Message
23:59 dcook        abby++
23:57 dcook        Of course, I'm always locked in a struggle regarding how much power to give to staff client users...
23:56 dcook        And possibly too powerful
23:56 dcook        While I like TT syntax, it might also be a bit intimidating for librarians
23:56 dcook        It probably isn't set although errors wouldn't be good either
23:55 dcook        barton: I was thinking a bit about http://www.template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html#section_PERL, although it might be irrelevant if "EVAL_PERL" is disabled.
23:55 * dcook      hearts TT a bit ;)
23:55 dcook        ^
23:55 rangi        TT is for display logic, not functional logic, the only reason stuff gets crufty is when people start putting functional logic in your templates .. just because you can, doesnt mean you should
23:53 rangi        ill let you know
23:53 rangi        ah hmm might backport them
23:53 tcohen       new files
23:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Full stack encoding tests (UTF-8)
23:53 tcohen       bug 13264
23:53 tcohen       rangi: i'm talking about the tests only
23:52 barton       XSS?
23:52 barton       what risks do you see, dcook?
23:52 barton       Like I said, I'm not in love with template toolkit ... it's krufty and ugly, but does have the necessary power to display lists of data in a consistent fashion... plus, we use it for everything else.
23:51 rangi        big enough changes that i think ill leave it for master
23:51 rangi        hmm i dont think i will
23:50 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
23:50 tcohen       @later tell rangi if you want to backport the UTF-8 tests into 3.18.x, I can set jenkins so it runs them
23:50 dcook        hehe
23:48 barton       "rather inconsistent at times" <= understatement of the day.
23:48 barton       c) use DBIC for the data to pull, and have the staff client only show the data avaliable for a given letter.
23:47 dcook        Koha::Messages or something would be rad
23:47 dcook        There's so much logic in individual scripts and it's rather inconsistent at times
23:47 dcook        Totally agree with b) though
23:47 dcook        Hmm, using template toolkit could probably be a bit risky
23:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:46 barton       b) much more of the letters logic pulled into C4::Letter (or write Koha::Messages ...)
23:44 barton       I would like to see a) the formatting done via template toolkit (I'm not in *love* with template toolkit, but we need something that we don't re-write every time we add a new message type).
23:41 barton       Sing it, brother!
23:39 dcook        It would be good to have all the public parts be the most robust and well documented..
23:38 dcook        I agree about what you said about messaging being one of the most public parts of Koha though
23:38 dcook        I was just about to ask if anyone was working on that one :p
23:38 barton       ... unfortunately, that page is fairly out of date as well.
23:38 barton       I'd like to add a link to the messaging rewrite RFC: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Messaging_rewrite_RFC
23:37 barton       It's meant to be a resource for the entire Koha community.
23:36 dcook        :p
23:36 dcook        lol
23:36 barton       ;-)
23:36 barton       yes.
23:36 dcook        If you don't mind me asking, is the wiki page intended for librarians or developers?
23:35 barton       It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft has made their html handling much more robust since that page was written.
23:35 dcook        Neato
23:35 dcook        Mmm
23:34 barton       Oh, actually that's the legacy part of the page ... atll the stuff that I added was in the 'Notice Markup' part of the page, and down.
23:33 dcook        But I'm also on the newest version, I think..
23:33 dcook        barton: I can't say I've had any of the problems you mention with Outlook :S
23:32 barton       Even better, if you have the ability to read perl code and some extra time and attention, follow the link at the end of the page and help me fill in some of the details.
23:32 dcook        You know... if LoC cared so much about RDA, you think they'd add a "r" value to the Leader's 18 position... although I'm sure we all know LoC doesn't actually like RDA anyway..
23:30 barton       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Customising_Notices_and_Slips
23:29 barton       hey #koha, I've just done a major overhaul on the 'Notices and Slips' page on the wiki. Please take a look. I'm soliciting comments (feel free to leave me a @later if I don't respond).
22:55 anonymous    no worries
22:52 wizzyrea     sure :) sorry was afk for a moment
22:52 anonymous    can you check kohaacademy wizzyrea?
22:47 rangi        just wanted a test baker and taylor username to test a bug
22:46 rangi        righto
22:44 bag          rangi: if it’s something urgent - shot me an email - I can check that on the go
22:44 bag          ok I have a meeting I’m running too - catch you later rangi
22:43 bag          rangi:
22:41 bag          for a sec
22:38 rangi        bag: you about?
22:35 wizzyrea     later cait :)
22:26 cait         night :)
22:08 wizzyrea     pft.
22:07 cait         i wish :)
22:06 wizzyrea     cait: your bug reports are always awesome. :)
22:04 * dcook      waves
22:03 eythian      hi
21:55 wizzyrea     the original though, it could have been clearer.
21:55 wizzyrea     yeah, really helpful
21:54 cait         wizzyrea: did you see my update on the bug?
21:53 wizzyrea     removed?
21:53 wizzyrea     sections you'd like added?
21:53 wizzyrea     any other website-y things?
21:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12352 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Update patron records -page should have a link to patron details
21:41 cait         bug 12352
21:38 wizzyrea     12352 illustrates the importance of a good bug report.
21:26 cait         :)
21:25 * wizzyrea   sics an academy student on the problem
21:21 cait         could we make the link at the bottom look linky? (blue?)
21:21 wizzyrea     that's legitimate
21:21 cait         instead of the linkt to report
21:21 cait         I thik i just thought it was a heading
21:21 wizzyrea     :)
21:20 cait         that link
21:20 wizzyrea     that is a link
21:20 cait         ah
21:20 wizzyrea     Report a security issue in Koha
21:20 wizzyrea     look up at the top of that page.
21:20 wizzyrea     yeah, that one's on every page
21:20 cait         i disagree :)
21:20 cait         http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/pic_fc731a.png
21:19 wizzyrea     it's a giant blue link.
21:19 cait         let#s see if my server has come back so i can show you
21:19 wizzyrea     on that page?
21:19 cait         wizzyrea: it shows really small for me
21:19 wizzyrea     regarding "report a security bug could be bigger" - it's quite huge here: http://koha-community.org/security/
21:18 wizzyrea     oh cait
20:57 cait         academy_students++
20:08 nengard      hi
20:07 wizzyrea     hi
20:05 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update budgets section with links
20:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #593: SUCCESS in 2 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/593/
20:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #593 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:17 huginn       bag: The operation succeeded.
19:17 bag          @later tell ashimema  congrats and good luck :)
19:12 wahanui      oleonard: I forgot note
19:12 oleonard     wahanui: forget note
19:11 wahanui      oleonard: I forgot notes
19:11 oleonard     wahanui: forget notes
19:11 wahanui      oleonard: I forgot meeting
19:11 oleonard     wahanui: forget meeting
19:11 wahanui      oleonard, I didn't have anything matching all that stuff
19:11 oleonard     wahanui: Forget all that stuff.
19:11 wahanui      notes is the key :D
19:11 bag          notes?
19:11 wahanui      it has been said that note is not visible in opac i think? but in staff?
19:11 bag          note?
19:11 bag          meeting notes?
19:11 wahanui      meeting is probably not today... but tomorrow
19:11 bag          meeting?
19:10 cait         hi bag
19:10 bag          hi cait
19:07 cait         hi #koha
19:04 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add new section for closing a budget by Denise Hannibal
19:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #592: SUCCESS in 1 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/592/
19:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #592 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:34 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update dup budget info
18:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #591: SUCCESS in 1 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/591/
18:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #591 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add second way to duplicate budget
18:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: split add budget section
18:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update budget image
18:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #590: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/590/
18:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #590 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:21 DigitalZen   oleonard: I got to go Thanks again
18:17 DigitalZen   oleonard: Yes I do
18:16 oleonard     DigitalZen: And now you see item information for your imported records?
18:12 DigitalZen   I kept looking for the 952 tag in the MARC view on koha. The imports I did in the past was with a perl script that removed my barcodes so I tried doing it without it and I knew the Barcode was in 952p but when I didn't see the 952 tag in the marc view on koha and after searching on google alot i decided to ask for help in IRC.
18:07 oleonard     What was the problem DigitalZen?
18:07 DigitalZen   ok I think i see what my problem was, thanks for the help sorry I am new to asking for help on IRC :p have a good day
18:03 oleonard     34014000074551
18:03 oleonard     Yes
18:02 DigitalZen   when you imported it did it have a barcode?
17:59 oleonard     DigitalZen: For what it's worth, when I import the record you pasted it imports with an item
17:59 pastebot     "DigitalZen" at pasted "This one I used a perl script to convert the fields" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/365
17:57 DigitalZen   oh ok, I have another MARC file from the same place but I used a perl script to format it would you like that one too
17:55 oleonard     I notice it doesn't have $a (home library) or $b (holding library)
17:53 DigitalZen   http://paste.koha-community.org/364?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21
17:52 oleonard     You'll have to share the link with us DigitalZen
17:49 DigitalZen   ok done
17:43 oleonard     DigitalZen: Perhaps you could paste the text of an example MARC record at http://paste.koha-community.org/ ?
17:43 DigitalZen   I am exporting them from an Athena system then using MARCedit I changed the 852 tag into 952
17:41 oleonard     DigitalZen: How are you creating the MARC file?
17:38 DigitalZen   I am trying to import a MARC file into Koha but the 952 tag is not being imported, how can i solve this issue? I am running Koha 3.18 on Debian
17:36 mveron       Bye #koha
17:33 wahanui      That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, DigitalZen
17:33 DigitalZen   awesome
17:33 oleonard     You can ask any question you like, and anyone who knows the answer can respond
17:32 DigitalZen   hi olenoard, I have a question about koha could you help me?
17:31 oleonard     Hi DigitalZen
17:30 DigitalZen   hello
16:46 gaetan_B     bye
16:07 reiveune     bye
15:47 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12792: C4::Reserves breaks my vim syntax color <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f406a840a09b381dc12a4e9704846b126b0c214> / Bug 13408: Tell librarians they may continue scanning while checkouts table is loading <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=28513edb943c255b191c94e0fbc0fe14368e6985> / Bug 13566 - Change translation for 'Rotating collection' in German web
15:14 pastebot     "nengard" at pasted "jquery for oleonard" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/363
15:13 nengard      one sec i'll paste
15:13 nengard      woo hoo
15:13 oleonard     Sure
15:13 nengard      got a sec to help me with a jquery headache? :)
15:12 oleonard     Yes
15:12 nengard      oleonard around?
14:07 ashimema_    will try to finish this phone call soon
14:07 Joubu        ashimema: k :)
14:07 ashimema_    on the wrong computer at the minute whilst on the phone
14:06 ashimema_    sorry Joubu.. not seen it yet..
14:05 Joubu        ashimema(', ashimema_?): Did you see my private msg?
13:35 ashimema_    lol
13:35 ashimema_    if you have an infinite amount of money and time to do such a migration.. go for it ;)
13:35 oleonard     No. We are not going to re-write Koha in another language.
13:35 tw           like ruby on rails, php on laravel and some on....
13:34 tw           some new idea!
13:34 tw           some new ides
13:34 tw           koha have turn to mvc framework
13:33 ashimema_    but turning it on is still not the most straight forward or documented thing
13:33 ashimema_    plack is closer I think..
13:32 tw           right!
13:32 tw           and then, i want to ask  plack for koha (it's also  in development)
13:30 ashimema_    what she said
13:29 tw           thanks,  cait
13:29 cait         you can find a bug on bugzlla that links to a branch with some/all? the work i think
13:28 cait         that's what my impression is
13:28 cait         tw: it's still in development
13:28 tw           hello , everybody ! I want to know koha & elasticsearch (current state)
13:20 cait         maybe worth trying again
13:19 cait         mveron: last time i got only one answer and lost :) but more people around now
13:11 mveron       cait: Ach so... I will ask librarians here. Maybe we could ask others on German list?
13:09 cait         hi tcohen
13:09 cait         because people always thing it has to do witht he materialtype shown in the record
13:09 cait         Exemplartyp instead of Medientyp
13:08 mveron       cait:What would be the new names for Medientyp and Exemplartyp?
13:04 tcohen       hi koha
12:58 cait         mveron: can we rename other things too? medientyp to exemplartyp? :)
12:56 mveron       hi cait  :-)
12:55 cait         mveron++
12:55 cait         mveron: rotating collections doesn't seem to appearin the help files - so we shoudl be done with your patch :)
12:52 meliss       hi magnuse
12:52 magnuse      hiya meliss and NateC
12:51 cait         hi again oleonard ;)
12:42 magnuse      kia ora oleonard
12:40 oleonard     Hi again #koha
12:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The correct COLLATE set to all DB tables
12:32 Joubu        bug 13577 needs QA :)
11:37 gaetan_B     extra question if i got this right : what about checking the book in on the 17th?
11:37 gaetan_B     if the book is checked in on the 16th there will be no message and the book will be back on the shelves for normal circulation ?
11:36 gaetan_B     if the book is checked in on the 18th, the librarian will get an alert and will be able to confirm the hold and set the book aside for me
11:36 gaetan_B     and i place a hold with a date in the future (20th of january for instance)
11:36 gaetan_B     does this mean that, if the value in this syspref is 3
11:35 gaetan_B     i think i got it but not sure
11:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, CLOSED FIXED, Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
11:35 gaetan_B     i have a question on futureholds and the ConfirmFutureHolds syspref (bug 9761)
11:03 thd          magnuse: I had thought that one of the functions had at one time been to publicise Koha when it was less well known.
11:02 * magnuse    needs lunch
11:02 magnuse      hm, it looks like kaitiaki = guardian, so that might be more apt for jransom and hlt than for a "Communications Manager"?
11:02 thd          ashimema: You may have missed the discussion of no yellow or green bits on the security map for Nigeria.
10:59 thd          jransom: Were you once the kaitiaki?
10:59 ashimema     back
10:59 BobB         night folks
10:59 BobB         yes I do, nice concept, but don't get me started on governance at this hour, we'll both regret it  :)
10:58 thd          Good night BobB.
10:58 thd          BobB: Do you remember when Koha had a kaitiaki?
10:58 BobB         good night all
10:58 BobB         anyway, its bed time for me folks
10:58 thd          magnuse: yes
10:58 magnuse      nah, maybe not
10:57 magnuse      kaitiaki?
10:57 BobB         heaven knows, the only Maori I know is on the Koha wiki
10:55 thd          BobB: What did the Maouri word which I do not remember but thought of as something like Communications Manager do that is different from your conception of communications manger?
10:55 BobB         feel free to email me (or the list) with any thoughts thd
10:55 * magnuse    waves to BobB
10:54 thd          BobB: The issue of ambiguity about what the Communications Manager would do was raised if I remember correctly again at the first meeting last time.
10:53 BobB         agreed, yes
10:52 thd          BobB: It may be difficult to attract volunteers for a role for which the responsibilities are unclear.
10:52 * BobB       waves to magnuse
10:52 * magnuse    waves to jransom
10:52 BobB         will get it to you by mid-week
10:52 BobB         ok jransom, that is enough time for us
10:51 thd          BobB: Communications manager needs a better definition or understanding of the intended role.
10:51 jransom      I need to have anything by next thursday if we want it on this month's agenda
10:51 BobB         best we get these things right, rather than rush them
10:50 BobB         yep, all good
10:50 thd          BobB: He had raised some criticisms but I could not communicate with him properly while I was away in California.
10:50 jransom      scrap that ...
10:50 jransom      if we want it to got jis month I neeed
10:50 cait         i was not sure who would be around, so i kept the agenda open
10:50 BobB         thx
10:49 BobB         joubu that is correct, I'm saying we'll add them for next meeting
10:49 jransom      I know paul and brendan are eagef to get this cracking aling.
10:49 Joubu        s/there/they
10:49 thd          BobB: ashimema and I are going to discuss ideas about wiki management.
10:49 BobB         by what day do you need it?
10:49 Joubu        BobB, jransom: there are not in the agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_14_January_2015
10:48 BobB         jransom, bag and I are working on a paper for you this week
10:48 jransom      cool. I have an agenda to put tigether next week for trustees otherwise next month.
10:47 BobB         I think bag will be sure to list it for next time
10:47 BobB         yes jo, also ongoing
10:47 jransom      and the funded position / fundraising / donatons.
10:46 BobB         I will list them for next meeting
10:46 BobB         Discussion on those topics is ongoing
10:46 BobB         We did not discuss the matter of the Wiki Curator and Communications manager
10:45 BobB         thank you cait
10:45 Joubu        cait: yep :)
10:45 cait         thx for attending everyone
10:45 huginn       Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting__14th_january_2015.2015-01-14-10.01.log.html
10:45 huginn       Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting__14th_january_2015.2015-01-14-10.01.txt
10:45 huginn       Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting__14th_january_2015.2015-01-14-10.01.html
10:45 huginn       Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 10:45:29 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
10:45 cait         #endmeeting
10:45 cait         we can still discuss on ml if it causes bigger problems
10:45 thd          BobB: Yes, we cannot  make it good for everyone but we can make it least bad for many.
10:45 BobB         all good
10:45 cait         #info Next meeting is scheduled for 11th February, 19 UTC
10:44 cait         i think ideal is not achievable sadly
10:44 BobB         there is no time that is good for everyone in the world
10:44 cait         shoudl we try 19 and see how it works out?
10:43 thd          BobB would adjusting the time to 21 UTC work better?
10:43 BobB         sorry I meant 19
10:43 Joubu        cait: the idea was to alternate, so it's good
10:43 wahanui      5am is probably early for me, with luck i'd have insomnia ;)
10:43 cait         5am?
10:43 BobB         18 UTC is ok
10:43 cait         not for joubu
10:43 cait         ah no
10:43 cait         hm moving it to 20utc better?
10:43 BobB         but good in nz
10:43 BobB         ouch will be 6am here
10:42 Joubu        +0 # not a good time, too late for me
10:42 oleonard     19UTC works fairly well for me
10:42 thd          +1
10:42 cait         don't leave me alone now people - please vote :)
10:42 thd          oleonard: There are worst times than this hour for you :)
10:41 Joubu        cait: not 10 UTC for oleonard :)
10:41 cait         11th february?
10:41 cait         19UTC oleonard?
10:41 oleonard     +1 to not this time
10:41 thd          Yes, I think we should take some measures to avoid worst times which have had almost no attendance.
10:41 cait         i am bad with timezones, so hope my thinking is not wrong :)
10:40 cait         other suggestions?
10:40 cait         vetos? +1? :)
10:40 BobB         worth a try
10:40 cait         and it would be 8horus from now, so shoudl get some of the people missing today
10:40 cait         i feel like we used to have good attendance at 19 UTC in the past, but might be wrong
10:39 cait         i'd like to propose february 11th, 19 UTC
10:39 thd          If relatively few people would come in any case and those people would have sufficient funding then the issue may be easier to decide.
10:39 cait         #topic Set date and time for the next meeting
10:38 cait         moving on?
10:38 cait         ok
10:38 jransom      if it was in ghana or kenya or south african, a university no problem, but nigeria has known security issues that have to be taken into consideration. is a different
10:38 paul_p       OK, will report all that to organizers. Thanks for questions/advices/opinions
10:37 thd          Certainly, they ought to try to poll people who may be likely to come if they do not know how to decide otherwise.
10:37 magnuse      (sorry, was busy with other things)
10:36 magnuse      #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech
10:36 paul_p       Joubu don't know.
10:36 Joubu        Africans from other countries I meant
10:36 Joubu        What about Africans? Are they ready to come?
10:36 cait         jransom++
10:36 jransom      I guess the organisers will have to the best judgement calls they can, put together the package and offer up to the community.
10:35 paul_p       cait = imagine you've the budget, the time and the agreement from you boss. It's just to poll ;-)
10:34 cait         paul_p: I think it's unlikely I will go this year - not giving a vote
10:34 jransom      if tomorrow I would go to diplomatic area but not university
10:34 thd          paul_p: You should ask what might be done to mitigate the security concern at a local university.
10:33 paul_p       maybe I should ask you : let's suppose it's tomorrow. would you go if it were in the diplomatic area ? would you go if it were in the university ?
10:32 paul_p       Joubu right...
10:32 Joubu        or :-/
10:32 Joubu        no green or yellow in nigeria :)
10:32 paul_p       thd mostly green, some parts yellow
10:32 jransom      I fear it will an either /or situation: affordable and high local participation vs exp and moderate number of foreigners
10:32 paul_p       thd see argentina for example : http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs/conseils-par-pays/argentine-12200/
10:32 thd          paul_p: Where is it green or yellow?
10:31 cait         or minutes, it's all going into the logs of course
10:31 cait         something we should add to the logs?
10:31 paul_p       thd click on "securité" tab
10:31 jransom      I agree.
10:30 BobB         There are Work Health and Safety issues for employers, just sayin'
10:30 paul_p       probably wise BobB ...
10:30 BobB         I would urge an abundance of caution
10:30 paul_p       thd http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs/conseils-par-pays/nigeria-12319/
10:30 BobB         the problem is that you know the security situation now: you don't know what it will be in Oct
10:30 thd          paul_p: Where is the colour coded map?
10:29 paul_p       OK, I'll feedback that to organizers.
10:29 paul_p       here it's "orange", which is better than "red" (northern part or nigeria), but worst than green or yellow...
10:29 thd          I would like to know more about the specific security concern at a nearby university as distinct from known problematic places in Nigeria.
10:28 paul_p       cait organizers say it's safe. but of course they're black & nigerian...
10:28 ashimema     same here jransom
10:28 cait         jransom: similar here
10:28 paul_p       150USD/day is fine for me, that's what costed the KohaCon in Nevada or Argentina, roughly.
10:28 cait         i thnk it's hard to tell from here - the organizers will know best about the local situation
10:28 jransom      nigeria was on the 'no travel' list ladt time I looked on nz foreign affairs page so insurance is going to be imposdible. the secure place would be my preference but price is so high.
10:27 paul_p       yep, that's also my 1st reaction : local or non nigerian but african participation.
10:27 paul_p       anyone an opinion that I could feedback to the team ?
10:27 cait         paul_p: not sure - it's quite a bit of money, bit worried about the local participation
10:26 thd          cait: Yes, I know the general reports.
10:26 paul_p       cait = yep, 150USD for bedroom, lunch, dinner,...
10:26 cait         i see
10:26 paul_p       + 1800USD/day for the conference room, that will have to be sponsored by someone
10:26 paul_p       cait = yep, 150USD for room, lunch, dinner,...
10:26 cait         thd: if you read up a bit about nigeria there are some warnings
10:25 paul_p       or the university, where security would be more "standard" (the ibadan area being not in the unsafe part of nigeria)
10:25 cait         paul_p: for the participant?
10:25 paul_p       what is you opinion about the location : a very safe one, in diplomatic area, with all safety, but cost 150USD/day all included
10:25 thd          paul_p: What is indicated that fear for security would be warranted at a university location?
10:25 cait         anything else?
10:24 cait         #info topic should be 15 ... not 14.
10:24 cait         don't tell me doesn't happen to all of you currently :)
10:24 paul_p       hehe...
10:24 cait         yes... it should be
10:24 thd          cait: Should that not be KohaCon15?
10:24 cait         #info things are moving, location still to be decided
10:23 paul_p       so, still to be decided, but things are moving ;-)
10:23 paul_p       chris & I have some emails with ppl from Ibadan. The organisation is moving on. The proposed location cost quite a lot of money (international & diplomatic location). So we're wondering whether that's the best option. Other locations (like in a university) would be much cheaper, but ppl could fear about security.
10:23 cait         now even
10:23 cait         paul_p: nwo :)
10:23 cait         #topic KohaCon14 (cont.)
10:23 cait         :)
10:23 thd          +1
10:22 BobB         ok, cool
10:22 ashimema     +1
10:22 mveron       +1
10:22 cait         +1
10:22 cait         i am :)
10:21 BobB         Is everyone here ok with the idea / text?
10:21 cait         heh
10:21 cait         ah
10:21 cait         #action BobB will send an email about the Roadmap wiki page to the mailing list
10:21 BobB         #action BobB to email the list to ask for contributions to the Road Map
10:20 cait         BobB: it would be nice if you could
10:20 ashimema     will get collegues to keep going through the list
10:20 ashimema     added 5 libraries to HEA for you paul_p ;)
10:20 BobB         yep, ok, will i do that?
10:19 cait         asking people to add?
10:19 cait         BobB: shoudl we put the wiki page on the mailing list?
10:19 paul_p       reading it...
10:19 paul_p       (as I just receive an email about the kohacon15 NOW !)
10:19 BobB         ah, sorry , what cait said
10:19 paul_p       fine !
10:18 cait         let's talk about the raodmap first and come back to the con?
10:18 BobB         go ahead paul_p
10:18 paul_p       (was AFK due to another call...)
10:18 paul_p       sorry, about the KohaCon, i've something to say !
10:18 cait         BobB++
10:18 cait         i like the text - read it before the meeting
10:17 BobB         and if it is ok, folks can start to populate it
10:17 BobB         So that is the proposal I guesss:  needs feedback ...
10:17 BobB         #link:      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_for_Koha
10:17 cait         BobB: I saw you did some work on it?
10:16 cait         we got the roadmap on the agenda
10:16 cait         #topic Actions from the last meeting
10:16 cait         I will move on?
10:16 cait         ok, nothing for kohacon i think?
10:15 cait         Joubu: cool
10:15 Joubu        cait: aleisha is working on Hea
10:15 fridolin     squashed patches
10:15 fridolin     ok, whe have a 3.14 version indeed
10:15 cait         I'd also like to see a statement on the hea page about what is /can be stored
10:14 cait         #action mtj to backport HEA into 3.16
10:14 Joubu        will have a look, yes
10:14 cait         #action Joubu or fridolin to submit HEA patches for 3.16
10:14 mtj          yes please :0)
10:14 BobB         #action mtj to backport HEA to 3.16
10:14 cait         mtj: want an #action? :)
10:14 paul_p       let's submit the patch then ;-) ( Joubu  / fridolin = can you take care of that pls )
10:13 mtj          awesome ^
10:13 paul_p       (as most of our customers are using it)
10:13 paul_p       and we've already done it for 3.14
10:13 mtj          paul_p:  i'd be keen to backport HEA to 3.16
10:13 paul_p       cait yes, of course. And that's why that would be good to have it backported !
10:13 cait         #topic KohaCon15
10:13 cait         will take us some more time too
10:12 BobB         cait, joubu ++
10:12 cait         paul_p: also a thing to keep in mind - many people might not have updated to 3.18 yet
10:12 cait         #action Joubu will send info about HEA to the mailing list and the newsletter
10:12 cait         ready to move on to the next topic?
10:12 Joubu        paul_p: k
10:11 paul_p       Joubu I let you drop an email about that, OK ?
10:11 paul_p       cait + Joubu ++ !
10:11 cait         today was the call
10:11 Joubu        paul_p: Maybe a mail on the koha ml + the news letter could be useful
10:11 mtj          #info i'll be pushing some commits to the 3.16 branch over the next few days
10:11 cait         maybe we could put it in the newsletter?
10:11 paul_p       ashimema ;-)
10:11 ashimema     I've been meaning to activate our 3.18's
10:11 ashimema     ooh.. thanks for the reminder paul..
10:11 mveron       #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag / Koha Support Schweiz
10:11 cait         i know we don't transmit personal information, but it shoudl still be opt-in
10:10 cait         we shoud not have a koha that calls out to another website by default
10:10 cait         #info please test bug 13577 to fix a problem with the installer
10:10 paul_p       cait what do you mean by "highly critical" ?
10:10 Joubu        blocker, NSO
10:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The correct COLLATE set to all DB tables
10:10 Joubu        cait: bug 13577 fixes the installer problem
10:09 cait         paul_p: i think activating by default is highly critical
10:09 fridolin     since there is 3.16;x and 3.18.x
10:09 paul_p       I'd like to see HEA backported to previous versions. And maybe activated by default (because, for now, there's "no-one" that has activated it : only 53, most of them -if not all- come from BibLibre)
10:09 cait         do you have the bug number for testing?
10:09 fridolin     i m adding only a few patches on 3.14.x to keep a stable version
10:09 cait         ah ok
10:08 Joubu        cait: installer is broken, patch sent this morning
10:08 * mtj        reads the scrollback
10:08 cait         updates on the releases? :)
10:08 * fridolin   i'm here
10:08 BobB         ah sorry mtj
10:08 mtj          ..sorry, didnt realise a meeting was on
10:08 cait         #info UTF-8 patches got pushed to master yesterday - keep an eye out for any encoding problems
10:07 BobB         #info I know Mason is on track to release 3.16.7 on 22 Jan
10:07 mtj          hi all
10:07 BobB         mtj about?
10:07 cait         but it looks like all is quite well on track I think
10:07 cait         I think we are a bit short on RM and RMaints this meeting
10:06 cait         #topic Updates on Releases
10:06 paul_p       I don't think so.
10:06 cait         ok, something else?
10:06 cait         hotel is booked for me,still waiting for the train tickets - were not available last time i tried :)
10:06 paul_p       cait should come soon
10:06 ashimema     will register properly once I know exact details of our lot this end
10:06 cait         paul_p: google doc? ;)
10:05 paul_p       ashimema ++++ !
10:05 BobB         sadly not us
10:05 paul_p       there are already many registrations, and that will be a great time :D
10:05 ashimema     I'm just booking hotels and flights paul_p.. just bending colinc's arm, alex will be there for the whole period and I hope to join for at least half (with baby on the way that's a bit up in the air ;) )
10:05 cait         #info The hackfest in Marseille is from Marc 2nd - 6th and will take place in 2 locations (20 mins apart)
10:05 paul_p       bag told me that he expect to have ElasticSearch search working & ready to be tested for the hackfest
10:05 paul_p       as already announced on koha-devel : Hackfest in Marseille will take place in March, 2nd-6th. It will take place in 2 locations (20mn distant), so we should have a lot of space
10:04 cait         but i will take anything
10:04 cait         that there is one .)
10:04 cait         heh
10:04 BobB         #info Asian Cup:  Australia 4 Oman 0
10:04 paul_p       cait what kind of announcement would you like ? ;-)
10:03 cait         paul_p: hackfest maybe? :)
10:03 cait         #topic Announcements
10:03 cait         ok, moving on :)
10:03 BobB         hi paul_p
10:02 paul_p       (hello all, and good morning, evening, afternoon, or night night)
10:02 thd          #info: Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:02 ashimema     cheers thd.. I'll call you :)
10:02 paul_p       #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre
10:02 ashimema     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
10:02 jransom      #info joann ransom, horowhenua, nz.
10:02 Joubu        #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
10:02 cait         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
10:01 cait         #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_14_January_2015
10:01 thd          ashimema:  I am at +1 212-674-3783
10:01 BobB         #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia
10:01 cait         please introduce yourself with #info
10:01 BobB         ashimena there is only one meeting today: a decision of the last meeting'
10:01 wahanui      #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:01 cait         #topic Introductions
10:01 huginn       The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__14th_january_2015'
10:01 huginn       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:01 huginn       Meeting started Wed Jan 14 10:01:23 2015 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:01 cait         #startmeeting General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015
10:01 thd          ashimema: What number should I call at 7 am EST?
10:01 ashimema     especially as neither of us has too much time at the minute to start implementing anything we discuss/decide upon.. delaying a decision won't delay the action.. yet
10:01 cait         ok, i wil start it and we see what happens?
10:00 ashimema     I'm fine with that.. makes reasonable sense..
10:00 BobB         hi all
10:00 thd          ashimema: I suggest we defer decisions about wiki management until the next general meeting while we discuss options.
09:59 ashimema     i'm getting called away any minute too cait :(
09:59 ashimema     i was just working that out ;)
09:59 ashimema     I should be free for a chat between 7am and 11am your time today if that helps
09:59 cait         who is around for the meeting and would maybe be willing to take over chair/chair?
09:59 cait         ok, it's about meeting time now but i might get called awy...
09:59 thd          ashimema: When would be a good time to talk on telephone?
09:58 wahanui      okay, thd.
09:58 thd          ashimema: I think you are also a little confused about the function of some installed extensions.
09:58 ashimema     cool..
09:58 thd          I have the time to implement any good ideas or at least I expect to start to have proper time from mid-February.
09:57 ashimema     early riser then ;)
09:57 thd          Nothing was nasty and you have some good ideas
09:56 ashimema     oh.. 5am.. i was thinking it was 5pm..
09:56 ashimema     they were meant to be constructive btw.. hope they're werent too nasty sounding..
09:56 thd          It is 5 am in NYC.
09:56 thd          ashimema: I saw your criticisms while I was in California but I did not have any opportunity until now to try to communicate with you properly.
09:56 ashimema     hmm.. your lateish afternoon over there right now right..
09:55 ashimema     I can skype out to you to keep the costs down.. as I said I'm a little tied this morning (UK time)
09:55 thd          ashimema: I am based in New York City but would be happy to call you wherever.
09:54 ashimema     sure thd.. erm.. remind me. where are you based?
09:54 jransom      cheers
09:54 ashimema     Hi jo.. meeting hasn't quite started yet.. but when it does  stick an #info infront of that ;)
09:54 thd          ashimema Is there some time we could talk on telephone?
09:53 jransom      hi everyone: jo ransom, horowhenua (nz)
09:53 thd          ashimema: I suggest that we try to reach a consensus or at least a common understanding about  the wiki.
09:53 ashimema     i'll be about for another 20 mins or so.. then I have another call so will be trying to dip in and out of the two meetings :(
09:52 wahanui      well, ashimema is on qa now .)
09:52 thd          Yes ashimema
09:51 ashimema     i was in a call and a colleague picked up.
09:51 ashimema     did you just call?
09:51 ashimema     hi thd
09:34 thd          ashimema: Could we discuss your ideas for the wiki?
09:27 cait         ashimema++ thx!
09:26 magnuse      ashimema++
09:26 ashimema     sent a reminder to the list.. bit late but hopefulyl some may see it
09:25 ashimema     done
09:20 cait         aah it's at "11" - 40 minutes
09:18 cait         hm is that now or later?
09:16 Joubu        * AGREED: The next meeting will be held on 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC
09:16 ashimema     ooh.. meeting
09:13 cait         my meeting got cancelled, will be back in 5 mins if we want to have one
09:13 cait         hm i think there should be an IRC meeting about now
09:04 Joubu        better :)
09:04 magnuse      hehe
09:04 huginn       Joubu: Highest karma: "cait" (185), "gmcharlt" (153), and "tcohen" (138).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-11), "^" (-10), and "-" (-10).  You (Joubu) are ranked 6 out of 342.
09:04 Joubu        @karma
09:04 Joubu        ie--
09:04 Joubu        whaou
09:03 huginn       Joubu: Highest karma: "cait" (185), "gmcharlt" (153), and "tcohen" (138).  Lowest karma: "^" (-10), "-" (-10), and "ie" (-10).  You (Joubu) are ranked 6 out of 342.
09:03 Joubu        @karma
09:00 magnuse      who can reset that for the new year?
09:00 huginn       magnuse: Highest karma: "cait" (185), "gmcharlt" (153), and "tcohen" (138).  Lowest karma: "^" (-10), "-" (-10), and "ie" (-10).  You (magnuse) are ranked 11 out of 342.
09:00 magnuse      @karma
09:00 magnuse      Joubu++
08:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
08:41 Joubu        info: bug 11944 breaks the installer, follow-up coming soon
08:29 wahanui      hi, gaetan_B
08:29 gaetan_B     hello