Time Nick Message
23:10 dcook Sorry I couldn't be of more help
23:10 M_Sic And have to head out. I'll try that later and hopefully will be happy by this evening. Thanks for your suggestions.
23:09 M_Sic trying that now
23:08 dcook I can't recall for sure, but it might be worth rebuilding using the koha user
23:08 M_Sic ooh, I might actually have done it as root instead of as koha
23:08 dcook Which user did you run rebuild_zebra.pl as?
23:07 M_Sic I did and it saw the two items I had there
23:07 M_Sic Yep; see it via ps aux and can see items via yaz-client
23:07 dcook Did you run rebuild_zebra.pl manually?
23:07 dcook So Zebra is running...
23:05 dcook I think the default is still "chr" rather than "icu"
23:04 M_Sic Yep
23:04 dcook Did you mostly use defaults?
23:04 dcook No errors though... that's a good sign
23:04 dcook Yikes..
23:04 dcook I wasn't sure if you were there or on your Debian system still
23:04 dcook Ah, you're on CentOS
23:03 M_Sic Installed from source since I'm on CentOS
23:03 dcook default.idx, I think
23:03 dcook I can't recall which file will tell you... I'll have to look
23:02 dcook Ah, that system preference isn't always the best indication
23:02 M_Sic UseICU is set to Not Using
23:02 dcook Did you do a Debian packages install?
23:01 M_Sic Hm. I don't know. Will look into it.
23:01 dcook I seem to recall having some issues with search when using DOM and ICU together
23:00 wahanui it has been said that DOM is the answer...
23:00 dcook and DOM?
23:00 dcook Are you using ICU?
23:00 dcook Mm
23:00 dcook Yeah that should be roughly equivalent to a keyword search in Koha
23:00 M_Sic so, just f "Hawaii" for one of the books that has Hawaii in the title
22:59 M_Sic I was following the directions from this post: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/catalogue-search-not-working-td3050990.html
22:59 dcook But from the sound of it, it's probably not that anyway
22:58 dcook I suppose I'm curious about yaz-client, because there are lots of ways you can issue queries with it which are quite dissimilar to Koha...
22:56 M_Sic Right now there are only two books in the system. I've tried searching by Author, Title, and ISBN. Same searches work with yaz-client
22:56 M_Sic Nothing in OpacHiddenItems and OpacSuppression is set to Don't Hide
22:55 dcook What search queries are you using in Koha and yaz-client?
22:55 M_Sic Right; should be super easy. No data to migrate from an old system even.
22:55 dcook So I doubt there's anything in the system preferences "OpacHiddenItems" and "OpacSuppression" probably says "Don't hide"?
22:54 dcook So it's a new install...
22:54 dcook I occasionally think about learning how to build RPMs for Fedora and Suse based systems, but... haven't had time/sponsorship for that
22:53 M_Sic it's been a pain. Had things working just fine on my test Debian server to kind of learn my way around and then realized what I had to work with
22:53 dcook eythian: Yeah, that would be good and probably not that difficult at all..
22:53 M_Sic Correct; no results found
22:53 dcook CentOS? That's a rare one for Koha I think
22:52 M_Sic Heh, and on a new install too :( The group I'm setting it up has a CentOS VPS that I'm supposed to use
22:52 dcook When you say it doesn't work, do you mean it says "0 results found" or something like that?
22:52 eythian I really want to get koha having meaningful errors when it can't talk to zebra, rather than just "no results found"
22:52 dcook M_Sic: that sounds like a tricky one...
22:51 eythian yeah, brisbane is warm.
22:51 dcook I think it was in the low 40s when I went househunting in 2013
22:51 dcook eythian: That's pretty hot
22:50 dcook I think scan by barcode uses the db rather than zebra
22:50 M_Sic right; not showing up on either, although you can scan by barcode to check items out and it finds them
22:50 dcook Oh wait, you said staff interface didn't work
22:50 dcook M_Sic: opac suppression perhaps
22:49 rangi all a lot cooler than a few days ago
22:49 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Wavell Heights, Wavell Heights, Queensland is 27.5°C (8:49 AM AEST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
22:49 dcook @wunder brisbane, australia
22:49 M_Sic now that there are more people around, anybody have any suggestions for things to check if searching for items in both the staff interface and OPAC doesn't work with no koha or apache errors and items show up int he yaz-client command line tool?
22:49 dcook huh..
22:49 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Anula Heights, Anula, Northern Territory is 27.6°C (8:19 AM ACST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
22:49 dcook @wunder darwin, australia
22:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Eden Hill, Eden Hill, Western Australia is 17.4°C (6:48 AM AWST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:49 rangi @wunder perth, australia
22:49 rangi thats better than the 46 it was
22:49 eythian I've been there once, but I was 8 years old.
22:49 dcook Mmm, that sounds pleasant
22:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Cowandilla, Adelaide, South Australia is 19.9°C (9:18 AM ACDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
22:48 rangi @wunder adl
22:48 * dcook has never been to adelaide, but thinks he'd probably actually like it
22:48 dcook So many jokes to be made...
22:48 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
22:48 rangi @wunder adelaide, sa
22:48 dcook lol
22:48 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
22:48 dcook Keep meaning to visit one day
22:48 rangi @wunder adelaide
22:48 dcook My sister's husband's brother lives in Hawaii
22:48 dcook I wish I understood the "in-law" thing better
22:48 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra#Climate <-- looks like that was a record though
22:47 dcook M_Sic: I guess not, eh?
22:47 dcook Possibly
22:47 eythian though, that could have been an abberation
22:47 M_Sic Yeah, no "high surf advisories" in Texas though
22:47 dcook Hmm, weird
22:47 eythian dcook: I've been there, it was only 40-ish...
22:47 dcook eythian: Nah, Canberra is usually fairly cool I think
22:47 huginn M_Sic: The current temperature in Lihue, Hawaii is 25.0°C (11:53 AM HST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Falling). High surf advisory in effect until 6 PM HST this evening...
22:47 M_Sic @wunder lihue
22:46 dcook Hehe, and where did you go M_Sic?
22:46 eythian I would have expected warmer
22:46 M_Sic That's why this texan moved someplace where walking outside is actually pleasant :)
22:46 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Madison Apartments, Narrabundah, Capital Territory is 22.7°C (9:45 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
22:46 eythian @wunder canberra
22:45 dcook Must be pretty hot...
22:45 dcook Actually, I wonder about Texans and people from central/northern Australia
22:44 dcook But also hot enough that I could actually sleep without any sheets/blankets/etc...
22:44 dcook (but my wife had stolen it...)
22:44 dcook Well, when I say chilly... I mean that I needed a top sheet
22:44 dcook Mmm, it was chilly last night
22:44 wizzyrea_ though it was super chilly last week
22:43 wizzyrea_ afaict it's been pretty average here.
22:43 wizzyrea_ yeah plenty of summer left to break records in
22:37 dcook It's barely even January
22:37 dcook Although I swear that I've had hotter summers here, so maybe that's not true
22:37 dcook Rumour has it that this is the hottest summer in NSW to date
22:37 dcook One of the cats threw up yesterday, and I'm wondering if it was actually from getting overheated during the afternoon...
22:36 dcook Agreed
22:36 eythian warmer is too warm.
22:36 dcook Shouldn't be?
22:36 dcook Sydney is the tempeprature of Konstanz and Wellington combined. Hmm.
22:36 eythian but shouldn't be
22:36 dcook Hmm, could be warmer
22:35 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 27.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
22:35 dcook @wunder syd
22:14 cait hi eythian
22:14 eythian also, hi cait
22:14 eythian hmm, not bad for this time of day.
22:13 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
22:13 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
22:13 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:50 M_Sic Okay, installed it and no change
20:50 cait hm is this mandatory?
20:48 M_Sic Looks like Convert::BaseN is not installed, even though I thought I installed it; any chance that would have anything to do with it? All other perl modules are installed
20:45 M_Sic Hm, no error on searching catalog from staff interface or OPAC
20:44 wizzyrea_ that error is probably unrelated to your search error
20:43 M_Sic Version 3.18.00.000
20:42 M_Sic nah, that's from earlier. Firing up tail -f now
20:42 wizzyrea_ what version are you using?
20:42 wizzyrea_ that fires when you do a search?
20:42 M_Sic [Thu Jan 8 20:19:14 2015] catalogue_stats.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' , count(*) FROM biblioitems INNER JOIN items ON (items.biblioitemnumber = bibl' at line 1 at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/reports/catalogue_stats.pl line 457.
20:41 wizzyrea_ start it up, do a thing, go back and check.
20:41 M_Sic Ah, there's definitely stuff there
20:40 wizzyrea_ tail -f might be your friend there.
20:40 M_Sic let me check those again
20:40 wizzyrea_ in the apache logs?
20:40 M_Sic er, koha. Thanks autocorrect :)
20:39 M_Sic Yeah, nothing in the kohl-error log
20:39 wizzyrea_ I don't know where centos keeps them.
20:39 wizzyrea_ also check the logs when you do a search, and see if there's anything obvious there.
20:39 wizzyrea_ would be that all of the dependencies are installed, you can see them at More -> About Koha -> Perl modules
20:38 wizzyrea_ something you might check though
20:37 wizzyrea_ oh, I know next to 0 about centos, sorry.
20:37 M_Sic It's on CentOS mostly following directions from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386
20:37 M_Sic but the same search terms work via yaz-client
20:36 wizzyrea_ how did you install koha?
20:36 M_Sic no items or records
20:36 M_Sic No result at all when searching
20:36 wizzyrea_ do you get results at all?
20:36 wizzyrea_ the items aren't showing up or the records arent?
20:33 bag thanks cait wizzyrea and chris_n :)
20:25 M_Sic I think I'm missing something really basic here... I have a new koha installation and I've added a few items but they aren't showing up in either the staff or OPAC search. Zebra is running and I can find them using the cl yah-client. The items also show up in reports. Any suggestions?
20:20 thelastboyscout this is not set up as a secure connection - straight LDAP AD bind
20:19 wizzyrea_ I've seen it happen before with secure connections, working from the prompt, but not from koha. I didn't personally fix it though.
20:16 thelastboyscout I've been trying to turn on debugging with Setenv DEBUG 9 but for some reson I'm not getting any debug to the error log
20:14 thelastboyscout I don't think it is that - the connection settings all work from the bash prompt
20:13 wizzyrea_ secure connections to ldap can cause issues sometimes
20:13 wizzyrea_ ah gotya.
20:13 thelastboyscout No it's post install. This is after having installed and then enabling the ldapserver section in the koha-conf.xml file
20:12 liz because for the installer only the db user works.
20:11 liz or a different user
20:11 liz are you logging in with the db user and password from your koha-conf.xml file?
20:11 thelastboyscout Good. It works with native passwords
20:10 cait don't think that's the problem - no limit i know of
20:09 thelastboyscout The only thing I can think of is complex passwords. I am able to escape characters at the Bash prompt. Does Koha's web interface handle punctuation characters in passwords?
20:08 thelastboyscout but I tried on the previosu version before upgrading
20:08 thelastboyscout :)
20:08 thelastboyscout We're a small company living on the BLEEDING edge
20:07 rangi there's a reason you are running the unstable/unreleased version ?
20:06 thelastboyscout Does not work: http://server/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl
20:04 thelastboyscout Works: /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl userid=userid password=password > /tmp/output.txt
20:03 thelastboyscout Bizarrely the config works from the Bash command line but not through a browser
20:03 thelastboyscout We're running Koha 3.19 on Debian Testing with Perl 5.020001
20:01 thelastboyscout I've followed the setup instructions and think the config is correct
20:00 cait yes and no - i can tell you we have it working for 3.12 something, but I don't know about how to set it up
19:58 thelastboyscout ANybody got experience with koha ldap logins?
19:58 thelastboyscout Desperation has driven me to IRC for the first time in about 15 years :(
19:56 cait probably impossible
19:56 cait ok, i meant: open without hurting myself
19:56 cait :)
19:56 thelastboyscout hello all
19:54 * chris_n loves a fresh coconut cake
19:54 chris_n enjoy
19:54 chris_n then use a butter knife to separate the meat from the shell
19:53 chris_n eventually the shell will crack
19:53 chris_n the coconut, that is
19:53 chris_n then rap the shell sharply with a hammer while rolling it around
19:53 chris_n cait: drive out two of the eyes with a screwdriver
19:52 cait how am i going to open this thing???
19:52 cait i wonder what i thought when ordering a coconut with my veggie box...
19:51 cait :)
19:49 * chris_n wishes bag a happy birthday as well
19:48 chris_n cait: yw
19:44 wizzyrea_ bag ^
19:44 cait chris_n++ # thx for checking!
19:44 wizzyrea_ Congratulations on another successful trip around the sun :)
19:44 * cait sends a chocolate bunny
19:43 cait happy birthday bag :)
19:42 cait hi rangi
19:42 rangi hi cait
18:45 bag hey thanks rangi :D
18:45 rangi happy birthday bag
18:37 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in JGFarms, Benson, North Carolina is -3.3°C (1:21 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Steady).
18:37 chris_n @wunder 28335
18:08 wnickc :)
18:06 * Dyrcona likes to visit Quechee in the summer.
18:02 huginn wnickc: The current temperature in Quechee Lakes Sec 1, Quechee, Vermont is -14.9°C (1:02 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
18:02 wnickc @wunder 05048
17:18 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:18 chris_n @later tell cait check the channel log for my comments
17:01 chris_n cait: I just commented on the bug saying that I think the table can safely be removed
16:59 chris_n and grep shows no code referencing that table
16:59 chris_n but the timestamps are from 2008
16:59 chris_n 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
16:59 chris_n +----------+
16:59 chris_n | 5 |
16:58 chris_n +----------+
16:58 chris_n | count(*) |
16:58 chris_n +----------+
16:58 chris_n mysql> SELECT count(*) FROM patroncards;
16:58 chris_n hmm... that table appears to be vestigial
16:57 chris_n also try: grep --include=\*.{pl,pm} -Ern 'patroncards' *
16:57 chris_n cait: looking now
16:01 reiveune bye
15:33 cait not subscribed from here, but i will file a bug, maybe chris_n knows
15:33 tcohen raise the question on the list
15:32 cait i think it's not used
15:31 cait there are matches, but nothing looks like data insert
15:31 tcohen patroncards/ dir?
15:28 cait there is makefile, he schema files, kohastructur, updatedatabase, some template variables... but i don't see a way where data is inserted into the table
15:28 cait still finding no prove it's used
15:28 cait i think i am going crezy
15:27 cait also add -e koha-tmpl at the end
15:27 cait try it :)
15:26 tcohen and git grep patroncards | grep -v -e translator gives no results?
15:26 cait 2008
15:26 cait i still can find no way ot actually get data into it
15:26 cait ages ago
15:25 wahanui i guess date is circled ;)
15:25 tcohen date?
15:25 cait it was added in the: eigth installment patron card generation feature
15:23 cait chris_n: around?
15:22 cait hi ashimema
15:22 ashimema afternoon peeps
15:21 * cait gives up
15:18 cait q
15:16 tcohen you need to use regexps on your search
15:16 cait but not getting the snytax right
15:16 cait i think you can tellgit grep to ignore fiels
15:14 tcohen everyone does that, so no point not supporting it
15:14 tcohen grep should support some kind of continuation, and preserve the colors from the previous run
15:13 cait i am looking at git grep -h right now
15:13 cait ok, grep always confuses me
15:12 Joubu grep foo | grep -v bar | grep foo ;)
15:11 tcohen ah, yes
15:11 cait hm breaks the nice syntax highlighting :)
15:10 tcohen | grep -v translator ?
15:10 cait can you git gep but leave out the po files?
15:09 cait so far found no sql using it
15:09 cait trying a git grep now
15:09 cait hmm not a bad idea
15:08 tcohen git blame on kohastructure.sql
15:08 cait those go in creator_batches
15:08 cait it's not patron card batches... as i had thought
15:08 cait what exactly is stored in the table patroncards?
15:08 cait hm got another of those funny questions....
15:08 druthb my cruise passed by Isla Mujeres, coming and going... Galveston to Progreso to Cozumel, and back to Galveston.
15:06 * cait can recommend cordoba
15:06 * tcohen remembers Isla Mujeres mmm
15:05 * druthb enjoyed Cozumel late last year. Very nice. Warm.
15:05 tcohen yeah
15:05 druthb in Mexico, not far from Cozumel?
15:04 tcohen it is closer
15:04 tcohen move to Tulum
15:04 druthb tcohen, don't tempt me. my old joints do not like this cold.
15:03 druthb yeah, so glad I moved out of Lawrence, to Houston. Srsly.
15:03 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Meadowbrook, Lawrence, Kansas is -12.5°C (8:48 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 9 am CST this morning...
15:03 druthb @wunder lawrence, ks
15:03 tcohen you're invited
15:02 druthb I like this *better*, but I'd rather be in Cordoba, I think.
15:02 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Piney Point Village, TX 77063, Houston, Texas is -0.2°C (9:02 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa (Rising).
15:02 druthb @wunder 77063
15:02 druthb brrrr
15:02 tcohen uhhhhhhhhhhh brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
15:02 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is -17.0°C (9:30 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -23.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning...
15:02 oleonard @wunder 45701
15:02 tcohen are you at -20°C oleonard ??
15:00 tcohen 30°C
14:59 wahanui i heard :) was ok
14:59 oleonard tcohen: That's a nice 50° difference from where I am :)
14:58 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 30.1°C (11:50 AM ART on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
14:58 tcohen @wunder cordoba argentina
14:58 tcohen hi
14:16 magnuse "87 People had patches in Koha. There were 34 people who got their first patch in Koha this year" yay!
14:16 magnuse so the cloning worked, but the clone only lived for a couple minutes? hm, we need to fix that
14:16 magnuse tcohen++
14:15 tcohen bbl
14:15 * tcohen heads to his grandpa's home to "fix" his old Ubuntu
14:14 tcohen lol
14:14 paul_clone tcohen: it worked
14:14 paul_p tcohen = it worked
14:13 tcohen heh
14:13 paul_p hello paul_clone :D
14:13 paul_clone hello #koha
14:13 cait any error message?
14:12 tcohen hm, didn't work
14:12 tcohen /clone paul_p
14:11 * magnuse sends paul_p the cloning tool
14:11 paul_p cait no gdoc yet, must do that soon
14:11 cait as always :)
14:11 * cait is curious
14:10 cait ooh
14:10 cait where is the google docs? :)
14:10 paul_p meeting now. I'm AFK
14:08 paul_p magnuse yep
14:08 magnuse paul_p: got a lot of signups already?
14:08 magnuse ah, thanks
14:07 cait ah near main station
14:07 tcohen https://www.google.fr/maps/dir/Biblibre,+Rue+Breteuil,+Marsella/Universit%C3%A9+Aix-Marseille,+3+Place+Victor+Hugo,+13331+Marseille+C%C3%A9dex+3/@43.2953478,5.365261,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x12c9c0b24c67e653:0xf5f3f84dbf2147a0!2m2!1d5.377444!2d43.286144!1m5!1m1!1s0x12c9c0915ec64211:0xfcb721b396fcdea0!2m2!1d5.377513!2d43.304776
14:06 paul_p magnuse it's here : https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Universit%C3%A9+Aix-Marseille/@43.3045267,5.3809951,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0000000000000000:0xfcb721b396fcdea0
14:05 magnuse stupid google maps! ;-)
14:04 paul_p magnuse not at all. It's at St Charles train station
14:04 magnuse ashimema++ for http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Multipart_Bibliographics
14:03 magnuse https://goo.gl/maps/x9viC ?
14:03 magnuse paul_p: is it next to palais du pharo?
14:03 * magnuse tries google maps
14:02 tcohen paul_p: sounds ok
14:02 magnuse lol
14:02 paul_p and you'll visit the nice great beuatiful university office (kidding, it's a 60's building, poorly maintained)
14:01 paul_p magnuse something like that, yes
14:01 magnuse paul_p: so the main event will still be at your office, but some people can "shell out" to the uni?
14:00 paul_p tcohen = mail in your mailbox with a trip proposal
14:00 paul_p cait tcohen very easy to find (and between univ & BibLibre if you go by foot)
13:59 cait i am sure paul_p will help us finding it again :)
13:58 tcohen so you have the name
13:58 cait i was there with pianohacker last year, but actually i am not sure i will find it again without google maps :)
13:58 cait I can show you the shop ... maybe
13:58 cait heh you are spoiled
13:57 * tcohen thinks it is ok, as long as those awesome candy paul_p brought to cordoba are in his box
13:56 paul_p cait probably not.
13:56 paul_p cait I said "more" not "one" (meeting room)
13:56 cait are we going to come together for lunch then?
13:56 cait ok, now i got it :)
13:56 cait because 12 + 3 +3.. ah
13:56 paul_p cait additional
13:55 cait or instead?
13:55 cait paul_p: is the room at the uni additional?
13:55 * tcohen is downloading a 14.10 ISO for his grandpa
13:54 tcohen :-P
13:53 cait eek - having to get up earlier .)
13:53 paul_p tcohen last year, we were 45+, and that's really the maximum that can stand in our open-space office.
13:52 tcohen yay!!
13:52 paul_p another news, that I should set public in the next days (once I've got a final "GO") : the Aix Marseille university will provide us more meeting room. One 12 ppl room, and 2 office (where 3 ppl can work). That's 20mn by foot or metro from BibLibre. So we should not be short in space !
13:49 * magnuse starts looking for prices for BOO -> MRS -> BOO
13:48 tcohen no problem at all
13:48 paul_p tcohen but if you have a night in your family, no more problem, right ?
13:48 tcohen hi magnuse
13:46 tcohen it usually costs 1700 AR$
13:46 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
13:46 tcohen paul_p: arond 150€
13:45 tcohen the problem is always connecting cordoba <-> ezeiza flights with the international ones
13:45 paul_p tcohen what's the price for a flight COR <> Buenos ? (just this one)
13:45 tcohen heh
13:45 paul_p tcohen = coming from Buenos Aires is MUCH more easy !
13:44 tcohen hi paul_p
13:44 paul_p tcohen hi.
13:40 cait [off] skyscanner has some nice search features
13:40 magnuse so he is definitely coming? that is cool!
13:40 magnuse yay
13:39 * paul_p back from Air France office, to try to buy a ticket for Tomas (hackfest). too bad with AF. Will search another option...
13:39 paul_p kia ora magnus
13:39 magnuse kia ora paul_p
13:34 paul_p good morning americans
13:31 magnuse well, i guess if the heating in the school was broken it might happen
13:31 magnuse hehe, no, i don't think that happens a lot
13:30 oleonard I don't suppose it ever gets so cold in Norway that they cancel school
13:22 magnuse oleonard: wow, that is cold!
13:22 magnuse whoa, late lunch :-)
13:22 kivilahtio gotta go for lunch
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: needs more unit tests and espceialyl better unti test frameworks for Koha
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: IT is hard
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: But everybody has their distinct needs
13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: I agree
13:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady).
13:20 magnuse @wunder boo
13:20 magnuse Joubu: yeah, i just get this feeling we are spreading ourselves too thin, creating too many options and possible combinations and variations...
13:20 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -20.6°C (7:41 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 30.62 in 1037 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning...
13:20 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:19 magnuse hiya oleonard
13:19 cait hi oleonard :)
13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
11:53 Joubu magnuse: too bad that QP is buggy :)
11:39 magnuse lunch sounds like a good idea
11:35 kivilahtio cait: np. I am running out of breath :)
11:34 cait happy new year kivilahtio - sorry ran out for lunch :)
11:33 magnuse do we want to keep the query parser optional? it seems like a bad thing to have some features that work with it and some that work without it
11:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
11:26 magnuse too bad bug 13528 does not work with the query parser...
11:04 kivilahtio happy new year cait!
11:02 cait happy new year magnuse and fredericd :)
10:41 * magnuse wishes everyone a happy new year too!
10:35 fredericd happy new year to all of you
10:30 nlegrand and happy new year #koha ^^
10:30 nlegrand cait: thanks, happy new year to you too :)
10:18 cait happy new year nlegrand :)
09:15 nlegrand Hey #koha.
08:45 cait hi all
08:43 gaetan_B hello
08:22 fridolin hi marcelr
08:21 marcelr hi fridolin
08:14 fridolin good morning
08:14 fridolin hie
07:59 alex_a bonjour
07:52 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:52 reiveune hello
07:51 marcelr hi #koha
07:00 cait morning #koha
05:57 dcook On a different note, I wonder how many people are using the patron self-registration...
05:54 dcook Hehe. This is interesting: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:RPM_sucks
05:48 dcook Hmm... seems that zypper and yast can handle yum repositories...
05:43 dcook cpan2rpm might work for Fedora..
05:43 dcook I keep thinking the Perl dependencies would be no fun for Suse
05:42 dcook I wonder if I could build RPMs that would work on Fedora and Suse systems...
05:10 dcook Even if I am discussing bugs about RDA... I don't want to be :p
05:08 dcook It's a very good thought, rangi :)
05:07 rangi thats my thought for the day, now im gonna head off :)
05:06 rangi if we could get half that passion about user privacy, or features in the opac, the world would be a better place
05:05 rangi library users spit on your RDA
05:04 rangi this makes me sad
05:04 rangi some of the most discussed bugs (by the most different people) are the RDA ones
05:04 dcook hehe
05:04 rangi heh
05:03 eythian https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/404108_481331235221226_1637563572_n.jpg?oh=859f4e3fef9dafe1007b40c1f81d652b&oe=556D0492
05:02 dcook Thought about using Chef, which I know reasonably well now, but figured "meh, why not learn something new"
05:02 dcook Currently looking at "https://github.com/ansible/ansible" for managing config at home
05:01 dcook Which makes sense... I guess I just have trust issues when it comes to software :p
05:00 dcook and "/usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y"
05:00 dcook Wait, my bad "/usr/local/bin"
04:58 dcook comes with a handy "--record" option that records everything that's installed as well
04:58 eythian ah yep
04:58 dcook Well and /bin/
04:58 dcook /usr/local/pythonX.Y/site-packages/...
04:57 wahanui Since Wed Jun 25 06:09:14 2014, there have been 3495 modifications and 1179 questions. I have been awake for 196 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, 38 seconds this session, and currently reference 40636 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
04:57 eythian wahanui: status
04:57 eythian thanks wahanui
04:57 wahanui /usr/local/ is a give away that it was cpan :)
04:57 eythian /usr/local/...?
04:57 dcook Oh, I just wanted to know where a program was going to install
04:56 eythian I've never looked at it
04:53 dcook Hmm setup.py is actually super easy...
04:18 dcook Alas, my familiarity with Python apps is not so good..
04:12 dcook Ah, neato
04:12 dcook mm makes sense
04:11 eythian I think there's a couple more in the pipeline, too, but uploads are currently frozen in prep for the jessie release.
04:10 eythian https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=robin@catalyst.net.nz
04:10 eythian a teeny tiny part
04:10 dcook When it comes to packaged perl modules that is
04:09 dcook Are you a factor as to why Debian seems to have everything under the sun?
04:09 dcook Sweet. That does sound slick.
04:08 dcook Yeah
04:08 eythian so you can link them
04:08 dcook I was wondering why there were debian packages for things like yui and tinymce
04:08 eythian it's quite nice, to make Perl modules, I just run dh-make-perl --pkg-perl --cpan Module::Name, and then clean up the files (so, fix copyright, make sure dependencies are right, fix lintian issues, etc.) and it's usually then good for submission to Debian.
04:08 dcook Ahhhh this is making more sense now..
04:07 dcook I'm actually curious about a totally different app all together, but figured I understood Koha well enough to figure things out
04:07 dcook Hmm, I'll investigate. Cheers :)
04:06 eythian probably by dh_auto_install
04:06 dcook I think I've figured out most things except that one
04:06 eythian I dunno
04:06 dcook When does "/debian/tmp" get made? :S
04:06 dcook Sweet
04:06 eythian as the magic, yes
04:05 dcook eythian: You're referring to override_dh_auto_install:?
04:05 dcook Neato burrito
04:05 dcook And not Ant
04:05 dcook Interesting... so it's good with Makefile, setup.py, and Build.PL
04:05 dcook http://man.he.net/man1/dh_auto_install
04:03 eythian and then we call the magic to do the install, and do a bit of patching afterwards.
04:03 eythian we override one of those defaults to handle the install sequence manually
04:02 dcook Ah yeah dh_auto_install looks like the one
04:02 eythian dh runs debian/rules in a special sequence
04:02 eythian not in koha's case
04:02 eythian well
04:02 dcook Which runs dh_auto_install?
04:02 eythian no
04:01 dcook Or "dh"?
04:01 dcook Ah, right. I think that's what liw's workshop said.
04:01 eythian dh_auto_install runs the make file I think
04:01 dcook I'm all over the map here :p
04:01 dcook Ah, sorry. I was referring to debian/control
04:00 dcook eythian: Yeah, I figured debian/rules was written in make. I wondered at what stage Makefile.pl got prompted in there
04:00 eythian that's in debian/control
04:00 eythian no, it doesn't
04:00 dcook But I don't know how it could :S
04:00 eythian "#!/usr/bin/make -f" is just because debian/rules is written in make
04:00 dcook It seems that it does..
04:00 dcook Does it also figure out the Perl dependencies?
03:59 dcook I mean... I saw the "#!/usr/bin/make -f" and "export PERL_MM_USE_DEFAULT=1" bits in debian/rules and wondered
03:59 dcook I was wondering a bit about that
03:58 eythian so that's why there's no explicit "now go run the makefile" code in debian/rules
03:58 eythian there's a lot of magic that lets it work out how to handle a perl application, and it just does that without you having to see any of it.
03:58 eythian yeah
03:58 dcook Seems like... koha-common.dirs, koha-common.install, Makefile.PL, and /debian/rules do all the hard work
03:57 dcook Maybe I'll have to grill eythian some more some time...
03:54 dcook Huh... I think I actually get the part of the idea that I didn't before...
03:27 dcook last night and this morning were obnam and now deb packages..
03:27 dcook He's pretty much a constant figure in my reading at the moment :p
03:26 dcook liw++
03:26 dcook liw: learning about building deb packages from https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging :D
00:38 rangi i wonder if its the same perl 5.20 we were spotting with utf8 and koha
00:37 eythian ah, curious
00:34 rangi ill try to remember to take a look tonight
00:34 rangi and or mysql
00:33 rangi so might be a perl change
00:32 rangi just went from precise to trusty underneath it
00:32 rangi interesting i didnt change bugzilla
00:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13407 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Remove methods which are included in the 0.36 release of PDF::Reuse
00:22 eythian rangi: new bugzilla doesn't handle UTF-8 in email properly, fyi. "Comment # 17 on bug 13407 from Tom�s Cohen Arazi"
00:19 dcook Plus, thai is awesome
00:19 dcook I figure if I go out for lunch, I can't work through my lunch...
00:19 dcook So tempted to go for thai...
00:18 eythian hi papa
00:12 dcook night tcohen
00:11 tcohen hi eythian
00:11 eythian hi tcohen, bye tcohen
00:10 tcohen night every1