Time  Nick            Message
00:10 tcohen          night every1
00:11 eythian         hi tcohen, bye tcohen
00:11 tcohen          hi eythian
00:12 dcook           night tcohen
00:18 eythian         hi papa
00:19 dcook           So tempted to go for thai...
00:19 dcook           I figure if I go out for lunch, I can't work through my lunch...
00:19 dcook           Plus, thai is awesome
00:22 eythian         rangi: new bugzilla doesn't handle UTF-8 in email properly, fyi. "Comment # 17 on bug 13407 from Tom�s Cohen Arazi"
00:22 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13407 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Remove methods which are included in the 0.36 release of PDF::Reuse
00:32 rangi           interesting i didnt change bugzilla
00:32 rangi           just went from precise to trusty underneath it
00:33 rangi           so might be a perl change
00:34 rangi           and or mysql
00:34 rangi           ill try to remember to take a look tonight
00:37 eythian         ah, curious
00:38 rangi           i wonder if its the same perl 5.20 we were spotting with utf8 and koha
03:26 dcook           liw: learning about building deb packages from https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging :D
03:26 dcook           liw++
03:27 dcook           He's pretty much a constant figure in my reading at the moment :p
03:27 dcook           last night and this morning were obnam and now deb packages..
03:54 dcook           Huh... I think I actually get the part of the idea that I didn't before...
03:57 dcook           Maybe I'll have to grill eythian some more some time...
03:58 dcook           Seems like... koha-common.dirs, koha-common.install, Makefile.PL, and /debian/rules do all the hard work
03:58 eythian         yeah
03:58 eythian         there's a lot of magic that lets it work out how to handle a perl application, and it just does that without you having to see any of it.
03:58 eythian         so that's why there's no explicit "now go run the makefile" code in debian/rules
03:59 dcook           I was wondering a bit about that
03:59 dcook           I mean... I saw the "#!/usr/bin/make -f" and "export PERL_MM_USE_DEFAULT=1" bits in debian/rules and wondered
04:00 dcook           Does it also figure out the Perl dependencies?
04:00 dcook           It seems that it does..
04:00 eythian         "#!/usr/bin/make -f" is just because debian/rules is written in make
04:00 dcook           But I don't know how it could :S
04:00 eythian         no, it doesn't
04:00 eythian         that's in debian/control
04:00 dcook           eythian: Yeah, I figured debian/rules was written in make. I wondered at what stage Makefile.pl got prompted in there
04:01 dcook           Ah, sorry. I was referring to debian/control
04:01 dcook           I'm all over the map here :p
04:01 eythian         dh_auto_install runs the make file I think
04:01 dcook           Ah, right. I think that's what liw's workshop said.
04:01 dcook           Or "dh"?
04:02 eythian         no
04:02 dcook           Which runs dh_auto_install?
04:02 eythian         well
04:02 eythian         not in koha's case
04:02 eythian         dh runs debian/rules in a special sequence
04:02 dcook           Ah yeah dh_auto_install looks like the one
04:03 eythian         we override one of those defaults to handle the install sequence manually
04:03 eythian         and then we call the magic to do the install, and do a bit of patching afterwards.
04:05 dcook           http://man.he.net/man1/dh_auto_install
04:05 dcook           Interesting... so it's good with Makefile, setup.py, and Build.PL
04:05 dcook           And not Ant
04:05 dcook           Neato burrito
04:05 dcook           eythian: You're referring to override_dh_auto_install:?
04:06 eythian         as the magic, yes
04:06 dcook           Sweet
04:06 dcook           When does "/debian/tmp" get made? :S
04:06 eythian         I dunno
04:06 dcook           I think I've figured out most things except that one
04:06 eythian         probably by dh_auto_install
04:07 dcook           Hmm, I'll investigate. Cheers :)
04:07 dcook           I'm actually curious about a totally different app all together, but figured I understood Koha well enough to figure things out
04:08 dcook           Ahhhh this is making more sense now..
04:08 eythian         it's quite nice, to make Perl modules, I just run dh-make-perl --pkg-perl --cpan Module::Name, and then clean up the files (so, fix copyright, make sure dependencies are right, fix lintian issues, etc.) and it's usually then good for submission to Debian.
04:08 dcook           I was wondering why there were debian packages for things like yui and tinymce
04:08 eythian         so you can link them
04:08 dcook           Yeah
04:09 dcook           Sweet. That does sound slick.
04:09 dcook           Are you a factor as to why Debian seems to have everything under the sun?
04:10 dcook           When it comes to packaged perl modules that is
04:10 eythian         a teeny tiny part
04:10 eythian         https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=robin@catalyst.net.nz
04:11 eythian         I think there's a couple more in the pipeline, too, but uploads are currently frozen in prep for the jessie release.
04:12 dcook           mm makes sense
04:12 dcook           Ah, neato
04:18 dcook           Alas, my familiarity with Python apps is not so good..
04:53 dcook           Hmm setup.py is actually super easy...
04:56 eythian         I've never looked at it
04:57 dcook           Oh, I just wanted to know where a program was going to install
04:57 eythian         /usr/local/...?
04:57 wahanui         /usr/local/ is a give away that it was cpan :)
04:57 eythian         thanks wahanui
04:57 eythian         wahanui: status
04:57 wahanui         Since Wed Jun 25 06:09:14 2014, there have been 3495 modifications and 1179 questions.  I have been awake for 196 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, 38 seconds this session, and currently reference 40636 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
04:58 dcook           /usr/local/pythonX.Y/site-packages/...
04:58 dcook           Well and /bin/
04:58 eythian         ah yep
04:58 dcook           comes with a handy "--record" option that records everything that's installed as well
05:00 dcook           Wait, my bad "/usr/local/bin"
05:00 dcook           and "/usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y"
05:01 dcook           Which makes sense... I guess I just have trust issues when it comes to software :p
05:02 dcook           Currently looking at "https://github.com/ansible/ansible" for managing config at home
05:02 dcook           Thought about using Chef, which I know reasonably well now, but figured "meh, why not learn something new"
05:03 eythian         https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/404108_481331235221226_1637563572_n.jpg?oh=859f4e3fef9dafe1007b40c1f81d652b&oe=556D0492
05:04 rangi           heh
05:04 dcook           hehe
05:04 rangi           some of the most discussed bugs (by the most different people) are the RDA ones
05:04 rangi           this makes me sad
05:05 rangi           library users spit on your RDA
05:06 rangi           if we could get half that passion about user privacy, or features in the opac, the world would be a better place
05:07 rangi           thats my thought for the day, now im gonna head off :)
05:08 dcook           It's a very good thought, rangi :)
05:10 dcook           Even if I am discussing bugs about RDA... I don't want to be :p
05:42 dcook           I wonder if I could build RPMs that would work on Fedora and Suse systems...
05:43 dcook           I keep thinking the Perl dependencies would be no fun for Suse
05:43 dcook           cpan2rpm might work for Fedora..
05:48 dcook           Hmm... seems that zypper and yast can handle yum repositories...
05:54 dcook           Hehe. This is interesting: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:RPM_sucks
05:57 dcook           On a different note, I wonder how many people are using the patron self-registration...
07:00 cait            morning #koha
07:51 marcelr         hi #koha
07:52 reiveune        hello
07:52 wahanui         niihau, reiveune
07:59 alex_a          bonjour
08:14 fridolin        hie
08:14 fridolin        good morning
08:21 marcelr         hi fridolin
08:22 fridolin        hi marcelr
08:43 gaetan_B        hello
08:45 cait            hi all
09:15 nlegrand        Hey #koha.
10:18 cait            happy new year nlegrand :)
10:30 nlegrand        cait: thanks, happy new year to you too :)
10:30 nlegrand        and happy new year #koha ^^
10:35 fredericd       happy new year to all of you
10:41 * magnuse       wishes everyone a happy new year too!
11:02 cait            happy new year magnuse and fredericd :)
11:04 kivilahtio      happy new year cait!
11:26 magnuse         too bad bug 13528 does not work with the query parser...
11:26 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
11:33 magnuse         do we want to keep the query parser optional? it seems like a bad thing to have some features that work with it and some that work without it
11:34 cait            happy new year kivilahtio - sorry ran out for lunch :)
11:35 kivilahtio      cait: np. I am running out of breath :)
11:39 magnuse         lunch sounds like a good idea
11:53 Joubu           magnuse: too bad that QP is buggy :)
13:17 oleonard        Hi #koha
13:19 cait            hi oleonard :)
13:19 magnuse         hiya oleonard
13:20 oleonard        @wunder 45701
13:20 huginn          oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -20.6°C (7:41 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 30.62 in 1037 hPa (Rising).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning... 
13:20 magnuse         Joubu: yeah, i just get this feeling we are spreading ourselves too thin, creating too many options and possible combinations and variations...
13:20 magnuse         @wunder boo
13:20 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady).
13:21 kivilahtio      magnuse: I agree
13:21 kivilahtio      magnuse: But everybody has their distinct needs
13:21 kivilahtio      magnuse: IT is hard
13:21 kivilahtio      magnuse: needs more unit tests and espceialyl better unti test frameworks for Koha
13:22 kivilahtio      gotta go for lunch
13:22 magnuse         whoa, late lunch :-)
13:22 magnuse         oleonard: wow, that is cold!
13:30 oleonard        I don't suppose it ever gets so cold in Norway that they cancel school
13:31 magnuse         hehe, no, i don't think that happens a lot
13:31 magnuse         well, i guess if the heating in the school was broken it might happen
13:34 paul_p          good morning americans
13:39 magnuse         kia ora paul_p
13:39 paul_p          kia ora magnus
13:39 * paul_p        back from Air France office, to try to buy a ticket for Tomas (hackfest). too bad with AF. Will search another option...
13:40 magnuse         yay
13:40 magnuse         so he is definitely coming? that is cool!
13:40 cait            [off] skyscanner has some nice search features
13:44 paul_p          tcohen hi.
13:44 tcohen          hi paul_p
13:45 paul_p          tcohen = coming from Buenos Aires is MUCH more easy !
13:45 tcohen          heh
13:45 paul_p          tcohen what's the price for a flight COR <> Buenos ? (just this one)
13:45 tcohen          the problem is always connecting cordoba <-> ezeiza flights with the international ones
13:46 tcohen          paul_p: arond 150€
13:46 magnuse         ¡hola tcohen!
13:46 tcohen          it usually costs 1700 AR$
13:48 tcohen          hi magnuse
13:48 paul_p          tcohen but if you have a night in your family, no more problem, right ?
13:48 tcohen          no  problem at all
13:49 * magnuse       starts looking for prices for  BOO -> MRS -> BOO
13:52 paul_p          another news, that I should set public in the next days (once I've got a final "GO") : the Aix Marseille university will provide us more meeting room. One 12 ppl room, and 2 office (where 3 ppl can work). That's 20mn by foot or metro from BibLibre. So we should not be short in space !
13:52 tcohen          yay!!
13:53 paul_p          tcohen last year, we were 45+, and that's really the maximum that can stand in our open-space office.
13:53 cait            eek - having to get up earlier .)
13:54 tcohen          :-P
13:55 * tcohen        is downloading a 14.10 ISO for his grandpa
13:55 cait            paul_p: is the room at the uni additional?
13:55 cait            or instead?
13:56 paul_p          cait additional
13:56 cait            because 12 + 3 +3.. ah
13:56 cait            ok, now i got it :)
13:56 cait            are we going to come together for lunch then?
13:56 paul_p          cait I said "more" not "one" (meeting room)
13:56 paul_p          cait probably not.
13:57 * tcohen        thinks it is ok, as long as those awesome candy paul_p brought to cordoba are in his box
13:58 cait            heh you are spoiled
13:58 cait            I can show you the shop ... maybe
13:58 cait            i was there with pianohacker last year, but actually i am not sure i will find it again without google maps :)
13:58 tcohen          so you have the name
13:59 cait            i am sure paul_p will help us finding it again :)
14:00 paul_p          cait tcohen very easy to find (and between univ & BibLibre if you go by foot)
14:00 paul_p          tcohen = mail in your mailbox with a trip proposal
14:01 magnuse         paul_p: so the main event will still be at your office, but some people can "shell out" to the uni?
14:01 paul_p          magnuse something like that, yes
14:02 paul_p          and you'll visit the nice great beuatiful university office (kidding, it's a 60's building, poorly maintained)
14:02 magnuse         lol
14:02 tcohen          paul_p: sounds ok
14:03 * magnuse       tries google maps
14:03 magnuse         paul_p: is it next to palais du pharo?
14:03 magnuse         https://goo.gl/maps/x9viC ?
14:04 magnuse         ashimema++ for http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Multipart_Bibliographics
14:04 paul_p          magnuse not at all. It's at St Charles train station
14:05 magnuse         stupid google maps! ;-)
14:06 paul_p          magnuse it's here : https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Universit%C3%A9+Aix-Marseille/@43.3045267,5.3809951,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0000000000000000:0xfcb721b396fcdea0
14:07 tcohen          https://www.google.fr/maps/dir/Biblibre,+Rue+Breteuil,+Marsella/Universit%C3%A9+Aix-Marseille,+3+Place+Victor+Hugo,+13331+Marseille+C%C3%A9dex+3/@43.2953478,5.365261,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x12c9c0b24c67e653:0xf5f3f84dbf2147a0!2m2!1d5.377444!2d43.286144!1m5!1m1!1s0x12c9c0915ec64211:0xfcb721b396fcdea0!2m2!1d5.377513!2d43.304776
14:07 cait            ah near main station
14:08 magnuse         ah, thanks
14:08 magnuse         paul_p: got a lot of signups already?
14:08 paul_p          magnuse yep
14:10 paul_p          meeting now. I'm AFK
14:10 cait            where is the google docs? :)
14:10 cait            ooh
14:11 * cait          is curious
14:11 cait            as always :)
14:11 paul_p          cait no gdoc yet, must do that soon
14:11 * magnuse       sends paul_p the cloning tool
14:12 tcohen          /clone paul_p
14:12 tcohen          hm, didn't work
14:13 cait            any error message?
14:13 paul_clone      hello #koha
14:13 paul_p          hello paul_clone :D
14:13 tcohen          heh
14:14 paul_p          tcohen = it worked
14:14 paul_clone      tcohen: it worked
14:14 tcohen          lol
14:15 * tcohen        heads to his grandpa's home to "fix" his old Ubuntu
14:15 tcohen          bbl
14:16 magnuse         tcohen++
14:16 magnuse         so the cloning worked, but the clone only lived for a couple minutes? hm, we need to fix that
14:16 magnuse         "87 People had patches in Koha. There were 34 people who got their first patch in Koha this year" yay!
14:58 tcohen          hi
14:58 tcohen          @wunder cordoba argentina
14:58 huginn          tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 30.1°C (11:50 AM ART on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
14:59 oleonard        tcohen: That's a nice 50° difference from where I am :)
14:59 wahanui         i heard :) was ok
15:00 tcohen          30°C
15:02 tcohen          are you at -20°C oleonard ??
15:02 oleonard        @wunder 45701
15:02 huginn          oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is -17.0°C (9:30 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -23.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Rising).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning... 
15:02 tcohen          uhhhhhhhhhhh brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
15:02 druthb          brrrr
15:02 druthb          @wunder 77063
15:02 huginn          druthb: The current temperature in Piney Point Village, TX 77063, Houston, Texas is -0.2°C (9:02 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa (Rising).
15:02 druthb          I like this *better*, but I'd rather be in Cordoba, I think.
15:03 tcohen          you're invited
15:03 druthb          @wunder lawrence, ks
15:03 huginn          druthb: The current temperature in Meadowbrook, Lawrence, Kansas is -12.5°C (8:48 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Falling).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 9 am CST this morning... 
15:03 druthb          yeah, so glad I moved out of Lawrence, to Houston.  Srsly.
15:04 druthb          tcohen, don't tempt me. my old joints do not like this cold.
15:04 tcohen          move to Tulum
15:04 tcohen          it is closer
15:05 druthb          in Mexico, not far from Cozumel?
15:05 tcohen          yeah
15:05 * druthb        enjoyed Cozumel late last year.  Very nice. Warm.
15:06 * tcohen        remembers Isla Mujeres mmm
15:06 * cait          can recommend cordoba
15:08 druthb          my cruise passed by Isla Mujeres, coming and going...  Galveston to Progreso to Cozumel, and back to Galveston.
15:08 cait            hm got another of those funny questions....
15:08 cait            what exactly is stored in the table patroncards?
15:08 cait            it's not patron card batches... as i had thought
15:08 cait            those go in creator_batches
15:08 tcohen          git blame on kohastructure.sql
15:09 cait            hmm not a bad idea
15:09 cait            trying a git grep now
15:09 cait            so far found no sql using it
15:10 cait            can you git gep but leave out the po files?
15:10 tcohen          | grep -v translator ?
15:11 cait            hm breaks the nice syntax highlighting :)
15:11 tcohen          ah, yes
15:12 Joubu           grep foo | grep -v bar | grep foo ;)
15:13 cait            ok, grep always confuses me
15:13 cait            i am looking at git grep -h right now
15:14 tcohen          grep should support some kind of continuation, and preserve the colors from the previous run
15:14 tcohen          everyone does that, so no point not supporting it
15:16 cait            i think you can tellgit grep to ignore fiels
15:16 cait            but not getting the snytax right
15:16 tcohen          you need to use regexps on your search
15:18 cait            q
15:21 * cait          gives up
15:22 ashimema        afternoon peeps
15:22 cait            hi ashimema
15:23 cait            chris_n: around?
15:25 cait            it was added in the: eigth installment patron card generation feature
15:25 tcohen          date?
15:25 wahanui         i guess date is circled ;)
15:26 cait            ages ago
15:26 cait            i still can find no way ot actually get data into it
15:26 cait            2008
15:26 tcohen          and git grep patroncards | grep -v -e translator gives no results?
15:27 cait            try it :)
15:27 cait            also add -e koha-tmpl at the end
15:28 cait            i think i am going crezy
15:28 cait            still finding no prove it's used
15:28 cait            there is makefile, he schema files, kohastructur, updatedatabase, some template variables... but i don't see a way where data is inserted into the table
15:31 tcohen          patroncards/ dir?
15:31 cait            there are matches, but nothing looks like data insert
15:32 cait            i think it's not used
15:33 tcohen          raise the question on the list
15:33 cait            not subscribed from here, but i will file a bug, maybe chris_n knows
16:01 reiveune        bye
16:57 chris_n         cait: looking now
16:57 chris_n         also try: grep --include=\*.{pl,pm} -Ern 'patroncards' *
16:58 chris_n         hmm... that table appears to be vestigial
16:58 chris_n         mysql> SELECT count(*) FROM patroncards;
16:58 chris_n         +----------+
16:58 chris_n         | count(*) |
16:58 chris_n         +----------+
16:59 chris_n         |        5 |
16:59 chris_n         +----------+
16:59 chris_n         1 row in set (0.00 sec)
16:59 chris_n         but the timestamps are from 2008
16:59 chris_n         and grep shows no code referencing that table
17:01 chris_n         cait: I just commented on the bug saying that I think the table can safely be removed
17:18 chris_n         @later tell cait check the channel log for my comments
17:18 huginn          chris_n: The operation succeeded.
18:02 wnickc          @wunder 05048
18:02 huginn          wnickc: The current temperature in Quechee Lakes Sec 1, Quechee, Vermont is -14.9°C (1:02 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
18:06 * Dyrcona       likes to visit Quechee in the summer.
18:08 wnickc          :)
18:37 chris_n         @wunder 28335
18:37 huginn          chris_n: The current temperature in JGFarms, Benson, North Carolina is -3.3°C (1:21 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Steady).
18:45 rangi           happy birthday bag
18:45 bag             hey thanks rangi :D
19:42 rangi           hi cait
19:42 cait            hi rangi
19:43 cait            happy birthday bag :)
19:44 * cait          sends a chocolate bunny
19:44 wizzyrea_       Congratulations on another successful trip around the sun :)
19:44 cait            chris_n++ # thx for checking!
19:44 wizzyrea_       bag ^
19:48 chris_n         cait: yw
19:49 * chris_n       wishes bag a happy birthday as well
19:51 cait            :)
19:52 cait            i wonder what i thought when ordering a coconut with my veggie box...
19:52 cait            how am i going to open this thing???
19:53 chris_n         cait: drive out two of the eyes with a screwdriver
19:53 chris_n         then rap the shell sharply with a hammer while rolling it around
19:53 chris_n         the coconut, that is
19:53 chris_n         eventually the shell will crack
19:54 chris_n         then use a butter knife to separate the meat from the shell
19:54 chris_n         enjoy
19:54 * chris_n       loves a fresh coconut cake
19:56 thelastboyscout hello all
19:56 cait            :)
19:56 cait            ok, i meant: open without hurting myself
19:56 cait            probably impossible
19:58 thelastboyscout Desperation has driven me to IRC for the first time in about 15 years :(
19:58 thelastboyscout ANybody got experience with koha ldap logins?
20:00 cait            yes and no - i can tell you we have it working for 3.12 something, but I don't know about how to set it up
20:01 thelastboyscout I've followed the setup instructions and think the config is correct
20:03 thelastboyscout We're running Koha 3.19 on Debian Testing with Perl 5.020001
20:03 thelastboyscout Bizarrely the config works from the Bash command line but not through a browser
20:04 thelastboyscout Works: /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl userid=userid password=password > /tmp/output.txt
20:06 thelastboyscout Does not work: http://server/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl
20:07 rangi           there's a reason you are running the unstable/unreleased version ?
20:08 thelastboyscout We're a small company living on the BLEEDING edge
20:08 thelastboyscout :)
20:08 thelastboyscout but I tried on the previosu version before upgrading
20:09 thelastboyscout The only thing I can think of is complex passwords. I am able to escape characters at the Bash prompt. Does Koha's web interface handle punctuation characters in passwords?
20:10 cait            don't think that's the problem - no limit i know of
20:11 thelastboyscout Good. It works with native passwords
20:11 liz             are you logging in with the db user and password from your koha-conf.xml file?
20:11 liz             or a different user
20:12 liz             because for the installer only the db user works.
20:13 thelastboyscout No it's post install. This is after having installed and then enabling the ldapserver section in the koha-conf.xml file
20:13 wizzyrea_       ah gotya.
20:13 wizzyrea_       secure connections to ldap can cause issues sometimes
20:14 thelastboyscout I don't think it is that - the connection settings all work from the bash prompt
20:16 thelastboyscout I've been trying to turn on debugging with Setenv DEBUG 9 but for some reson I'm not getting any debug to the error log
20:19 wizzyrea_       I've seen it happen before with secure connections, working from the prompt, but not from koha. I didn't personally fix it though.
20:20 thelastboyscout this is not set up as a secure connection - straight LDAP AD bind
20:25 M_Sic           I think I'm missing something really basic here... I have a new koha installation and I've added a few items but they aren't showing up in either the staff or OPAC search. Zebra is running and I can find them using the cl yah-client. The items also show up in reports. Any suggestions?
20:33 bag             thanks cait wizzyrea and chris_n :)
20:36 wizzyrea_       the items aren't showing up or the records arent?
20:36 wizzyrea_       do you get results at all?
20:36 M_Sic           No result at all when searching
20:36 M_Sic           no items or records
20:36 wizzyrea_       how did you install koha?
20:37 M_Sic           but the same search terms work via yaz-client
20:37 M_Sic           It's on CentOS mostly following directions from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386
20:37 wizzyrea_       oh, I know next to 0 about centos, sorry.
20:38 wizzyrea_       something you might check though
20:39 wizzyrea_       would be that all of the dependencies are installed, you can see them at More -> About Koha -> Perl modules
20:39 wizzyrea_       also check the logs when you do a search, and see if there's anything obvious there.
20:39 wizzyrea_       I don't know where centos keeps them.
20:39 M_Sic           Yeah, nothing in the kohl-error log
20:40 M_Sic           er, koha. Thanks autocorrect :)
20:40 wizzyrea_       in the apache logs?
20:40 M_Sic           let me check those again
20:40 wizzyrea_       tail -f might be your friend there.
20:41 M_Sic           Ah, there's definitely stuff there
20:41 wizzyrea_       start it up, do a thing, go back and check.
20:42 M_Sic           [Thu Jan  8 20:19:14 2015] catalogue_stats.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' , count(*) FROM biblioitems INNER JOIN  items ON (items.biblioitemnumber = bibl' at line 1 at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/reports/catalogue_stats.pl line 457.
20:42 wizzyrea_       that fires when you do a search?
20:42 wizzyrea_       what version are you using?
20:42 M_Sic           nah, that's from earlier. Firing up tail -f now
20:43 M_Sic           Version
20:44 wizzyrea_       that error is probably unrelated to your search error
20:45 M_Sic           Hm, no error on searching catalog from staff interface or OPAC
20:48 M_Sic           Looks like Convert::BaseN is not installed, even though I thought I installed it; any chance that would have anything to do with it? All other perl modules are installed
20:50 cait            hm is this mandatory?
20:50 M_Sic           Okay, installed it and no change
22:13 cait            @wunder Konstanz
22:13 huginn          cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
22:13 eythian         @wunder nzwn
22:13 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
22:14 eythian         hmm, not bad for this time of day.
22:14 eythian         also, hi cait
22:14 cait            hi eythian
22:35 dcook           @wunder syd
22:35 huginn          dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 27.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
22:36 dcook           Hmm, could be warmer
22:36 eythian         but shouldn't be
22:36 dcook           Sydney is the tempeprature of Konstanz and Wellington combined. Hmm.
22:36 dcook           Shouldn't be?
22:36 eythian         warmer is too warm.
22:36 dcook           Agreed
22:37 dcook           One of the cats threw up yesterday, and I'm wondering if it was actually from getting overheated during the afternoon...
22:37 dcook           Rumour has it that this is the hottest summer in NSW to date
22:37 dcook           Although I swear that I've had hotter summers here, so maybe that's not true
22:37 dcook           It's barely even January
22:43 wizzyrea_       yeah plenty of summer left to break records in
22:43 wizzyrea_       afaict it's been pretty average here.
22:44 wizzyrea_       though it was super chilly last week
22:44 dcook           Mmm, it was chilly last night
22:44 dcook           Well, when I say chilly... I mean that I needed a top sheet
22:44 dcook           (but my wife had stolen it...)
22:44 dcook           But also hot enough that I could actually sleep without any sheets/blankets/etc...
22:45 dcook           Actually, I wonder about Texans and people from central/northern Australia
22:45 dcook           Must be pretty hot...
22:46 eythian         @wunder canberra
22:46 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Madison Apartments, Narrabundah, Capital Territory is 22.7°C (9:45 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
22:46 M_Sic           That's why this texan moved someplace where walking outside is actually pleasant :)
22:46 eythian         I would have expected warmer
22:46 dcook           Hehe, and where did you go M_Sic?
22:47 M_Sic           @wunder lihue
22:47 huginn          M_Sic: The current temperature in Lihue, Hawaii is 25.0°C (11:53 AM HST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Falling).  High surf advisory in effect until 6 PM HST this evening... 
22:47 dcook           eythian: Nah, Canberra is usually fairly cool I think
22:47 eythian         dcook: I've been there, it was only 40-ish...
22:47 dcook           Hmm, weird
22:47 M_Sic           Yeah, no "high surf advisories" in Texas though
22:47 eythian         though, that could have been an abberation
22:47 dcook           Possibly
22:47 dcook           M_Sic: I guess not, eh?
22:48 eythian         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra#Climate <-- looks like that was a record though
22:48 dcook           I wish I understood the "in-law" thing better
22:48 dcook           My sister's husband's brother lives in Hawaii
22:48 rangi           @wunder adelaide
22:48 dcook           Keep meaning to visit one day
22:48 huginn          rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
22:48 dcook           lol
22:48 rangi           @wunder adelaide, sa
22:48 huginn          rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
22:48 dcook           So many jokes to be made...
22:48 * dcook         has never been to adelaide, but thinks he'd probably actually like it
22:48 rangi           @wunder adl
22:49 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Cowandilla, Adelaide, South Australia is 19.9°C (9:18 AM ACDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
22:49 dcook           Mmm, that sounds pleasant
22:49 eythian         I've been there once, but I was 8 years old.
22:49 rangi           thats better than the 46 it was
22:49 rangi           @wunder perth, australia
22:49 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Eden Hill, Eden Hill, Western Australia is 17.4°C (6:48 AM AWST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:49 dcook           @wunder darwin, australia
22:49 huginn          dcook: The current temperature in Anula Heights, Anula, Northern Territory is 27.6°C (8:19 AM ACST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
22:49 dcook           huh..
22:49 M_Sic           now that there are more people around, anybody have any suggestions for things to check if searching for items in both the staff interface and OPAC doesn't work with no koha or apache errors and items show up int he yaz-client command line tool?
22:49 dcook           @wunder brisbane, australia
22:49 huginn          dcook: The current temperature in Wavell Heights, Wavell Heights, Queensland is 27.5°C (8:49 AM AEST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
22:49 rangi           all a lot cooler than a few days ago
22:50 dcook           M_Sic: opac suppression perhaps
22:50 dcook           Oh wait, you said staff interface didn't work
22:50 M_Sic           right; not showing up on either, although you can scan by barcode to check items out and it finds them
22:50 dcook           I think scan by barcode uses the db rather than zebra
22:51 dcook           eythian: That's pretty hot
22:51 dcook           I think it was in the low 40s when I went househunting in 2013
22:51 eythian         yeah, brisbane is warm.
22:52 dcook           M_Sic: that sounds like a tricky one...
22:52 eythian         I really want to get koha having meaningful errors when it can't talk to zebra, rather than just "no results found"
22:52 dcook           When you say it doesn't work, do you mean it says "0 results found" or something like that?
22:52 M_Sic           Heh, and on a new install too :( The group I'm setting it up has a CentOS VPS that I'm supposed to use
22:53 dcook           CentOS? That's a rare one for Koha I think
22:53 M_Sic           Correct; no results found
22:53 dcook           eythian: Yeah, that would be good and probably not that difficult at all..
22:53 M_Sic           it's been a pain. Had things working just fine on my test Debian server to kind of learn my way around and then realized what I had to work with
22:54 dcook           I occasionally think about learning how to build RPMs for Fedora and Suse based systems, but... haven't had time/sponsorship for that
22:54 dcook           So it's a new install...
22:55 dcook           So I doubt there's anything in the system preferences "OpacHiddenItems" and "OpacSuppression" probably says "Don't hide"?
22:55 M_Sic           Right; should be super easy. No data to migrate from an old system even.
22:55 dcook           What search queries are you using in Koha and yaz-client?
22:56 M_Sic           Nothing in OpacHiddenItems and OpacSuppression is set to Don't Hide
22:56 M_Sic           Right now there are only two books in the system. I've tried searching by Author, Title, and ISBN. Same searches work with yaz-client
22:58 dcook           I suppose I'm curious about yaz-client, because there are lots of ways you can issue queries with it which are quite dissimilar to Koha...
22:59 dcook           But from the sound of it, it's probably not that anyway
22:59 M_Sic           I was following the directions from this post: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/catalogue-search-not-working-td3050990.html
23:00 M_Sic           so, just f "Hawaii" for one of the books that has Hawaii in the title
23:00 dcook           Yeah that should be roughly equivalent to a keyword search in Koha
23:00 dcook           Mm
23:00 dcook           Are you using ICU?
23:00 dcook           and DOM?
23:00 wahanui         it has been said that DOM is the answer...
23:01 dcook           I seem to recall having some issues with search when using DOM and ICU together
23:01 M_Sic           Hm. I don't know. Will look into it.
23:02 dcook           Did you do a Debian packages install?
23:02 M_Sic           UseICU is set to Not Using
23:02 dcook           Ah, that system preference isn't always the best indication
23:03 dcook           I can't recall which file will tell you... I'll have to look
23:03 dcook           default.idx, I think
23:03 M_Sic           Installed from source since I'm on CentOS
23:04 dcook           Ah, you're on CentOS
23:04 dcook           I wasn't sure if you were there or on your Debian system still
23:04 dcook           Yikes..
23:04 dcook           No errors though... that's a good sign
23:04 dcook           Did you mostly use defaults?
23:04 M_Sic           Yep
23:05 dcook           I think the default is still "chr" rather than "icu"
23:07 dcook           So Zebra is running...
23:07 dcook           Did you run rebuild_zebra.pl manually?
23:07 M_Sic           Yep; see it via ps aux and can see items via yaz-client
23:07 M_Sic           I did and it saw the two items I had there
23:08 dcook           Which user did you run rebuild_zebra.pl as?
23:08 M_Sic           ooh, I might actually have done it as root instead of as koha
23:08 dcook           I can't recall for sure, but it might be worth rebuilding using the koha user
23:09 M_Sic           trying that now
23:10 M_Sic           And have to head out. I'll try that later and hopefully will be happy by this evening. Thanks for your suggestions.
23:10 dcook           Sorry I couldn't be of more help