Time Nick Message 00:10 tcohen night every1 00:11 eythian hi tcohen, bye tcohen 00:11 tcohen hi eythian 00:12 dcook night tcohen 00:18 eythian hi papa 00:19 dcook So tempted to go for thai... 00:19 dcook I figure if I go out for lunch, I can't work through my lunch... 00:19 dcook Plus, thai is awesome 00:22 eythian rangi: new bugzilla doesn't handle UTF-8 in email properly, fyi. "Comment # 17 on bug 13407 from Tom�s Cohen Arazi" 00:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13407 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Remove methods which are included in the 0.36 release of PDF::Reuse 00:32 rangi interesting i didnt change bugzilla 00:32 rangi just went from precise to trusty underneath it 00:33 rangi so might be a perl change 00:34 rangi and or mysql 00:34 rangi ill try to remember to take a look tonight 00:37 eythian ah, curious 00:38 rangi i wonder if its the same perl 5.20 we were spotting with utf8 and koha 03:26 dcook liw: learning about building deb packages from https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging :D 03:26 dcook liw++ 03:27 dcook He's pretty much a constant figure in my reading at the moment :p 03:27 dcook last night and this morning were obnam and now deb packages.. 03:54 dcook Huh... I think I actually get the part of the idea that I didn't before... 03:57 dcook Maybe I'll have to grill eythian some more some time... 03:58 dcook Seems like... koha-common.dirs, koha-common.install, Makefile.PL, and /debian/rules do all the hard work 03:58 eythian yeah 03:58 eythian there's a lot of magic that lets it work out how to handle a perl application, and it just does that without you having to see any of it. 03:58 eythian so that's why there's no explicit "now go run the makefile" code in debian/rules 03:59 dcook I was wondering a bit about that 03:59 dcook I mean... I saw the "#!/usr/bin/make -f" and "export PERL_MM_USE_DEFAULT=1" bits in debian/rules and wondered 04:00 dcook Does it also figure out the Perl dependencies? 04:00 dcook It seems that it does.. 04:00 eythian "#!/usr/bin/make -f" is just because debian/rules is written in make 04:00 dcook But I don't know how it could :S 04:00 eythian no, it doesn't 04:00 eythian that's in debian/control 04:00 dcook eythian: Yeah, I figured debian/rules was written in make. I wondered at what stage Makefile.pl got prompted in there 04:01 dcook Ah, sorry. I was referring to debian/control 04:01 dcook I'm all over the map here :p 04:01 eythian dh_auto_install runs the make file I think 04:01 dcook Ah, right. I think that's what liw's workshop said. 04:01 dcook Or "dh"? 04:02 eythian no 04:02 dcook Which runs dh_auto_install? 04:02 eythian well 04:02 eythian not in koha's case 04:02 eythian dh runs debian/rules in a special sequence 04:02 dcook Ah yeah dh_auto_install looks like the one 04:03 eythian we override one of those defaults to handle the install sequence manually 04:03 eythian and then we call the magic to do the install, and do a bit of patching afterwards. 04:05 dcook http://man.he.net/man1/dh_auto_install 04:05 dcook Interesting... so it's good with Makefile, setup.py, and Build.PL 04:05 dcook And not Ant 04:05 dcook Neato burrito 04:05 dcook eythian: You're referring to override_dh_auto_install:? 04:06 eythian as the magic, yes 04:06 dcook Sweet 04:06 dcook When does "/debian/tmp" get made? :S 04:06 eythian I dunno 04:06 dcook I think I've figured out most things except that one 04:06 eythian probably by dh_auto_install 04:07 dcook Hmm, I'll investigate. Cheers :) 04:07 dcook I'm actually curious about a totally different app all together, but figured I understood Koha well enough to figure things out 04:08 dcook Ahhhh this is making more sense now.. 04:08 eythian it's quite nice, to make Perl modules, I just run dh-make-perl --pkg-perl --cpan Module::Name, and then clean up the files (so, fix copyright, make sure dependencies are right, fix lintian issues, etc.) and it's usually then good for submission to Debian. 04:08 dcook I was wondering why there were debian packages for things like yui and tinymce 04:08 eythian so you can link them 04:08 dcook Yeah 04:09 dcook Sweet. That does sound slick. 04:09 dcook Are you a factor as to why Debian seems to have everything under the sun? 04:10 dcook When it comes to packaged perl modules that is 04:10 eythian a teeny tiny part 04:10 eythian https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=robin@catalyst.net.nz 04:11 eythian I think there's a couple more in the pipeline, too, but uploads are currently frozen in prep for the jessie release. 04:12 dcook mm makes sense 04:12 dcook Ah, neato 04:18 dcook Alas, my familiarity with Python apps is not so good.. 04:53 dcook Hmm setup.py is actually super easy... 04:56 eythian I've never looked at it 04:57 dcook Oh, I just wanted to know where a program was going to install 04:57 eythian /usr/local/...? 04:57 wahanui /usr/local/ is a give away that it was cpan :) 04:57 eythian thanks wahanui 04:57 eythian wahanui: status 04:57 wahanui Since Wed Jun 25 06:09:14 2014, there have been 3495 modifications and 1179 questions. I have been awake for 196 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, 38 seconds this session, and currently reference 40636 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 04:58 dcook /usr/local/pythonX.Y/site-packages/... 04:58 dcook Well and /bin/ 04:58 eythian ah yep 04:58 dcook comes with a handy "--record" option that records everything that's installed as well 05:00 dcook Wait, my bad "/usr/local/bin" 05:00 dcook and "/usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y" 05:01 dcook Which makes sense... I guess I just have trust issues when it comes to software :p 05:02 dcook Currently looking at "https://github.com/ansible/ansible" for managing config at home 05:02 dcook Thought about using Chef, which I know reasonably well now, but figured "meh, why not learn something new" 05:03 eythian https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/404108_481331235221226_1637563572_n.jpg?oh=859f4e3fef9dafe1007b40c1f81d652b&oe=556D0492 05:04 rangi heh 05:04 dcook hehe 05:04 rangi some of the most discussed bugs (by the most different people) are the RDA ones 05:04 rangi this makes me sad 05:05 rangi library users spit on your RDA 05:06 rangi if we could get half that passion about user privacy, or features in the opac, the world would be a better place 05:07 rangi thats my thought for the day, now im gonna head off :) 05:08 dcook It's a very good thought, rangi :) 05:10 dcook Even if I am discussing bugs about RDA... I don't want to be :p 05:42 dcook I wonder if I could build RPMs that would work on Fedora and Suse systems... 05:43 dcook I keep thinking the Perl dependencies would be no fun for Suse 05:43 dcook cpan2rpm might work for Fedora.. 05:48 dcook Hmm... seems that zypper and yast can handle yum repositories... 05:54 dcook Hehe. This is interesting: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:RPM_sucks 05:57 dcook On a different note, I wonder how many people are using the patron self-registration... 07:00 cait morning #koha 07:51 marcelr hi #koha 07:52 reiveune hello 07:52 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:59 alex_a bonjour 08:14 fridolin hie 08:14 fridolin good morning 08:21 marcelr hi fridolin 08:22 fridolin hi marcelr 08:43 gaetan_B hello 08:45 cait hi all 09:15 nlegrand Hey #koha. 10:18 cait happy new year nlegrand :) 10:30 nlegrand cait: thanks, happy new year to you too :) 10:30 nlegrand and happy new year #koha ^^ 10:35 fredericd happy new year to all of you 10:41 * magnuse wishes everyone a happy new year too! 11:02 cait happy new year magnuse and fredericd :) 11:04 kivilahtio happy new year cait! 11:26 magnuse too bad bug 13528 does not work with the query parser... 11:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Ability to search on the different isbn variations 11:33 magnuse do we want to keep the query parser optional? it seems like a bad thing to have some features that work with it and some that work without it 11:34 cait happy new year kivilahtio - sorry ran out for lunch :) 11:35 kivilahtio cait: np. I am running out of breath :) 11:39 magnuse lunch sounds like a good idea 11:53 Joubu magnuse: too bad that QP is buggy :) 13:17 oleonard Hi #koha 13:19 cait hi oleonard :) 13:19 magnuse hiya oleonard 13:20 oleonard @wunder 45701 13:20 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -20.6°C (7:41 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 30.62 in 1037 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning... 13:20 magnuse Joubu: yeah, i just get this feeling we are spreading ourselves too thin, creating too many options and possible combinations and variations... 13:20 magnuse @wunder boo 13:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady). 13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: I agree 13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: But everybody has their distinct needs 13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: IT is hard 13:21 kivilahtio magnuse: needs more unit tests and espceialyl better unti test frameworks for Koha 13:22 kivilahtio gotta go for lunch 13:22 magnuse whoa, late lunch :-) 13:22 magnuse oleonard: wow, that is cold! 13:30 oleonard I don't suppose it ever gets so cold in Norway that they cancel school 13:31 magnuse hehe, no, i don't think that happens a lot 13:31 magnuse well, i guess if the heating in the school was broken it might happen 13:34 paul_p good morning americans 13:39 magnuse kia ora paul_p 13:39 paul_p kia ora magnus 13:39 * paul_p back from Air France office, to try to buy a ticket for Tomas (hackfest). too bad with AF. Will search another option... 13:40 magnuse yay 13:40 magnuse so he is definitely coming? that is cool! 13:40 cait [off] skyscanner has some nice search features 13:44 paul_p tcohen hi. 13:44 tcohen hi paul_p 13:45 paul_p tcohen = coming from Buenos Aires is MUCH more easy ! 13:45 tcohen heh 13:45 paul_p tcohen what's the price for a flight COR <> Buenos ? (just this one) 13:45 tcohen the problem is always connecting cordoba <-> ezeiza flights with the international ones 13:46 tcohen paul_p: arond 150€ 13:46 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 13:46 tcohen it usually costs 1700 AR$ 13:48 tcohen hi magnuse 13:48 paul_p tcohen but if you have a night in your family, no more problem, right ? 13:48 tcohen no problem at all 13:49 * magnuse starts looking for prices for BOO -> MRS -> BOO 13:52 paul_p another news, that I should set public in the next days (once I've got a final "GO") : the Aix Marseille university will provide us more meeting room. One 12 ppl room, and 2 office (where 3 ppl can work). That's 20mn by foot or metro from BibLibre. So we should not be short in space ! 13:52 tcohen yay!! 13:53 paul_p tcohen last year, we were 45+, and that's really the maximum that can stand in our open-space office. 13:53 cait eek - having to get up earlier .) 13:54 tcohen :-P 13:55 * tcohen is downloading a 14.10 ISO for his grandpa 13:55 cait paul_p: is the room at the uni additional? 13:55 cait or instead? 13:56 paul_p cait additional 13:56 cait because 12 + 3 +3.. ah 13:56 cait ok, now i got it :) 13:56 cait are we going to come together for lunch then? 13:56 paul_p cait I said "more" not "one" (meeting room) 13:56 paul_p cait probably not. 13:57 * tcohen thinks it is ok, as long as those awesome candy paul_p brought to cordoba are in his box 13:58 cait heh you are spoiled 13:58 cait I can show you the shop ... maybe 13:58 cait i was there with pianohacker last year, but actually i am not sure i will find it again without google maps :) 13:58 tcohen so you have the name 13:59 cait i am sure paul_p will help us finding it again :) 14:00 paul_p cait tcohen very easy to find (and between univ & BibLibre if you go by foot) 14:00 paul_p tcohen = mail in your mailbox with a trip proposal 14:01 magnuse paul_p: so the main event will still be at your office, but some people can "shell out" to the uni? 14:01 paul_p magnuse something like that, yes 14:02 paul_p and you'll visit the nice great beuatiful university office (kidding, it's a 60's building, poorly maintained) 14:02 magnuse lol 14:02 tcohen paul_p: sounds ok 14:03 * magnuse tries google maps 14:03 magnuse paul_p: is it next to palais du pharo? 14:03 magnuse https://goo.gl/maps/x9viC ? 14:04 magnuse ashimema++ for http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Multipart_Bibliographics 14:04 paul_p magnuse not at all. It's at St Charles train station 14:05 magnuse stupid google maps! ;-) 14:06 paul_p magnuse it's here : https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Universit%C3%A9+Aix-Marseille/@43.3045267,5.3809951,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0000000000000000:0xfcb721b396fcdea0 14:07 tcohen https://www.google.fr/maps/dir/Biblibre,+Rue+Breteuil,+Marsella/Universit%C3%A9+Aix-Marseille,+3+Place+Victor+Hugo,+13331+Marseille+C%C3%A9dex+3/@43.2953478,5.365261,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x12c9c0b24c67e653:0xf5f3f84dbf2147a0!2m2!1d5.377444!2d43.286144!1m5!1m1!1s0x12c9c0915ec64211:0xfcb721b396fcdea0!2m2!1d5.377513!2d43.304776 14:07 cait ah near main station 14:08 magnuse ah, thanks 14:08 magnuse paul_p: got a lot of signups already? 14:08 paul_p magnuse yep 14:10 paul_p meeting now. I'm AFK 14:10 cait where is the google docs? :) 14:10 cait ooh 14:11 * cait is curious 14:11 cait as always :) 14:11 paul_p cait no gdoc yet, must do that soon 14:11 * magnuse sends paul_p the cloning tool 14:12 tcohen /clone paul_p 14:12 tcohen hm, didn't work 14:13 cait any error message? 14:13 paul_clone hello #koha 14:13 paul_p hello paul_clone :D 14:13 tcohen heh 14:14 paul_p tcohen = it worked 14:14 paul_clone tcohen: it worked 14:14 tcohen lol 14:15 * tcohen heads to his grandpa's home to "fix" his old Ubuntu 14:15 tcohen bbl 14:16 magnuse tcohen++ 14:16 magnuse so the cloning worked, but the clone only lived for a couple minutes? hm, we need to fix that 14:16 magnuse "87 People had patches in Koha. There were 34 people who got their first patch in Koha this year" yay! 14:58 tcohen hi 14:58 tcohen @wunder cordoba argentina 14:58 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 30.1°C (11:50 AM ART on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 14:59 oleonard tcohen: That's a nice 50° difference from where I am :) 14:59 wahanui i heard :) was ok 15:00 tcohen 30°C 15:02 tcohen are you at -20°C oleonard ?? 15:02 oleonard @wunder 45701 15:02 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is -17.0°C (9:30 AM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -23.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am EST this morning... 15:02 tcohen uhhhhhhhhhhh brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 15:02 druthb brrrr 15:02 druthb @wunder 77063 15:02 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Piney Point Village, TX 77063, Houston, Texas is -0.2°C (9:02 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036 hPa (Rising). 15:02 druthb I like this *better*, but I'd rather be in Cordoba, I think. 15:03 tcohen you're invited 15:03 druthb @wunder lawrence, ks 15:03 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Meadowbrook, Lawrence, Kansas is -12.5°C (8:48 AM CST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 9 am CST this morning... 15:03 druthb yeah, so glad I moved out of Lawrence, to Houston. Srsly. 15:04 druthb tcohen, don't tempt me. my old joints do not like this cold. 15:04 tcohen move to Tulum 15:04 tcohen it is closer 15:05 druthb in Mexico, not far from Cozumel? 15:05 tcohen yeah 15:05 * druthb enjoyed Cozumel late last year. Very nice. Warm. 15:06 * tcohen remembers Isla Mujeres mmm 15:06 * cait can recommend cordoba 15:08 druthb my cruise passed by Isla Mujeres, coming and going... Galveston to Progreso to Cozumel, and back to Galveston. 15:08 cait hm got another of those funny questions.... 15:08 cait what exactly is stored in the table patroncards? 15:08 cait it's not patron card batches... as i had thought 15:08 cait those go in creator_batches 15:08 tcohen git blame on kohastructure.sql 15:09 cait hmm not a bad idea 15:09 cait trying a git grep now 15:09 cait so far found no sql using it 15:10 cait can you git gep but leave out the po files? 15:10 tcohen | grep -v translator ? 15:11 cait hm breaks the nice syntax highlighting :) 15:11 tcohen ah, yes 15:12 Joubu grep foo | grep -v bar | grep foo ;) 15:13 cait ok, grep always confuses me 15:13 cait i am looking at git grep -h right now 15:14 tcohen grep should support some kind of continuation, and preserve the colors from the previous run 15:14 tcohen everyone does that, so no point not supporting it 15:16 cait i think you can tellgit grep to ignore fiels 15:16 cait but not getting the snytax right 15:16 tcohen you need to use regexps on your search 15:18 cait q 15:21 * cait gives up 15:22 ashimema afternoon peeps 15:22 cait hi ashimema 15:23 cait chris_n: around? 15:25 cait it was added in the: eigth installment patron card generation feature 15:25 tcohen date? 15:25 wahanui i guess date is circled ;) 15:26 cait ages ago 15:26 cait i still can find no way ot actually get data into it 15:26 cait 2008 15:26 tcohen and git grep patroncards | grep -v -e translator gives no results? 15:27 cait try it :) 15:27 cait also add -e koha-tmpl at the end 15:28 cait i think i am going crezy 15:28 cait still finding no prove it's used 15:28 cait there is makefile, he schema files, kohastructur, updatedatabase, some template variables... but i don't see a way where data is inserted into the table 15:31 tcohen patroncards/ dir? 15:31 cait there are matches, but nothing looks like data insert 15:32 cait i think it's not used 15:33 tcohen raise the question on the list 15:33 cait not subscribed from here, but i will file a bug, maybe chris_n knows 16:01 reiveune bye 16:57 chris_n cait: looking now 16:57 chris_n also try: grep --include=\*.{pl,pm} -Ern 'patroncards' * 16:58 chris_n hmm... that table appears to be vestigial 16:58 chris_n mysql> SELECT count(*) FROM patroncards; 16:58 chris_n +----------+ 16:58 chris_n | count(*) | 16:58 chris_n +----------+ 16:59 chris_n | 5 | 16:59 chris_n +----------+ 16:59 chris_n 1 row in set (0.00 sec) 16:59 chris_n but the timestamps are from 2008 16:59 chris_n and grep shows no code referencing that table 17:01 chris_n cait: I just commented on the bug saying that I think the table can safely be removed 17:18 chris_n @later tell cait check the channel log for my comments 17:18 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 18:02 wnickc @wunder 05048 18:02 huginn wnickc: The current temperature in Quechee Lakes Sec 1, Quechee, Vermont is -14.9°C (1:02 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 18:06 * Dyrcona likes to visit Quechee in the summer. 18:08 wnickc :) 18:37 chris_n @wunder 28335 18:37 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in JGFarms, Benson, North Carolina is -3.3°C (1:21 PM EST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Steady). 18:45 rangi happy birthday bag 18:45 bag hey thanks rangi :D 19:42 rangi hi cait 19:42 cait hi rangi 19:43 cait happy birthday bag :) 19:44 * cait sends a chocolate bunny 19:44 wizzyrea_ Congratulations on another successful trip around the sun :) 19:44 cait chris_n++ # thx for checking! 19:44 wizzyrea_ bag ^ 19:48 chris_n cait: yw 19:49 * chris_n wishes bag a happy birthday as well 19:51 cait :) 19:52 cait i wonder what i thought when ordering a coconut with my veggie box... 19:52 cait how am i going to open this thing??? 19:53 chris_n cait: drive out two of the eyes with a screwdriver 19:53 chris_n then rap the shell sharply with a hammer while rolling it around 19:53 chris_n the coconut, that is 19:53 chris_n eventually the shell will crack 19:54 chris_n then use a butter knife to separate the meat from the shell 19:54 chris_n enjoy 19:54 * chris_n loves a fresh coconut cake 19:56 thelastboyscout hello all 19:56 cait :) 19:56 cait ok, i meant: open without hurting myself 19:56 cait probably impossible 19:58 thelastboyscout Desperation has driven me to IRC for the first time in about 15 years :( 19:58 thelastboyscout ANybody got experience with koha ldap logins? 20:00 cait yes and no - i can tell you we have it working for 3.12 something, but I don't know about how to set it up 20:01 thelastboyscout I've followed the setup instructions and think the config is correct 20:03 thelastboyscout We're running Koha 3.19 on Debian Testing with Perl 5.020001 20:03 thelastboyscout Bizarrely the config works from the Bash command line but not through a browser 20:04 thelastboyscout Works: /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl userid=userid password=password > /tmp/output.txt 20:06 thelastboyscout Does not work: http://server/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl 20:07 rangi there's a reason you are running the unstable/unreleased version ? 20:08 thelastboyscout We're a small company living on the BLEEDING edge 20:08 thelastboyscout :) 20:08 thelastboyscout but I tried on the previosu version before upgrading 20:09 thelastboyscout The only thing I can think of is complex passwords. I am able to escape characters at the Bash prompt. Does Koha's web interface handle punctuation characters in passwords? 20:10 cait don't think that's the problem - no limit i know of 20:11 thelastboyscout Good. It works with native passwords 20:11 liz are you logging in with the db user and password from your koha-conf.xml file? 20:11 liz or a different user 20:12 liz because for the installer only the db user works. 20:13 thelastboyscout No it's post install. This is after having installed and then enabling the ldapserver section in the koha-conf.xml file 20:13 wizzyrea_ ah gotya. 20:13 wizzyrea_ secure connections to ldap can cause issues sometimes 20:14 thelastboyscout I don't think it is that - the connection settings all work from the bash prompt 20:16 thelastboyscout I've been trying to turn on debugging with Setenv DEBUG 9 but for some reson I'm not getting any debug to the error log 20:19 wizzyrea_ I've seen it happen before with secure connections, working from the prompt, but not from koha. I didn't personally fix it though. 20:20 thelastboyscout this is not set up as a secure connection - straight LDAP AD bind 20:25 M_Sic I think I'm missing something really basic here... I have a new koha installation and I've added a few items but they aren't showing up in either the staff or OPAC search. Zebra is running and I can find them using the cl yah-client. The items also show up in reports. Any suggestions? 20:33 bag thanks cait wizzyrea and chris_n :) 20:36 wizzyrea_ the items aren't showing up or the records arent? 20:36 wizzyrea_ do you get results at all? 20:36 M_Sic No result at all when searching 20:36 M_Sic no items or records 20:36 wizzyrea_ how did you install koha? 20:37 M_Sic but the same search terms work via yaz-client 20:37 M_Sic It's on CentOS mostly following directions from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386 20:37 wizzyrea_ oh, I know next to 0 about centos, sorry. 20:38 wizzyrea_ something you might check though 20:39 wizzyrea_ would be that all of the dependencies are installed, you can see them at More -> About Koha -> Perl modules 20:39 wizzyrea_ also check the logs when you do a search, and see if there's anything obvious there. 20:39 wizzyrea_ I don't know where centos keeps them. 20:39 M_Sic Yeah, nothing in the kohl-error log 20:40 M_Sic er, koha. Thanks autocorrect :) 20:40 wizzyrea_ in the apache logs? 20:40 M_Sic let me check those again 20:40 wizzyrea_ tail -f might be your friend there. 20:41 M_Sic Ah, there's definitely stuff there 20:41 wizzyrea_ start it up, do a thing, go back and check. 20:42 M_Sic [Thu Jan 8 20:19:14 2015] catalogue_stats.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' , count(*) FROM biblioitems INNER JOIN items ON (items.biblioitemnumber = bibl' at line 1 at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/reports/catalogue_stats.pl line 457. 20:42 wizzyrea_ that fires when you do a search? 20:42 wizzyrea_ what version are you using? 20:42 M_Sic nah, that's from earlier. Firing up tail -f now 20:43 M_Sic Version 3.18.00.000 20:44 wizzyrea_ that error is probably unrelated to your search error 20:45 M_Sic Hm, no error on searching catalog from staff interface or OPAC 20:48 M_Sic Looks like Convert::BaseN is not installed, even though I thought I installed it; any chance that would have anything to do with it? All other perl modules are installed 20:50 cait hm is this mandatory? 20:50 M_Sic Okay, installed it and no change 22:13 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (11:00 PM CET on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising). 22:13 eythian @wunder nzwn 22:13 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 22:14 eythian hmm, not bad for this time of day. 22:14 eythian also, hi cait 22:14 cait hi eythian 22:35 dcook @wunder syd 22:35 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 27.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 22:36 dcook Hmm, could be warmer 22:36 eythian but shouldn't be 22:36 dcook Sydney is the tempeprature of Konstanz and Wellington combined. Hmm. 22:36 dcook Shouldn't be? 22:36 eythian warmer is too warm. 22:36 dcook Agreed 22:37 dcook One of the cats threw up yesterday, and I'm wondering if it was actually from getting overheated during the afternoon... 22:37 dcook Rumour has it that this is the hottest summer in NSW to date 22:37 dcook Although I swear that I've had hotter summers here, so maybe that's not true 22:37 dcook It's barely even January 22:43 wizzyrea_ yeah plenty of summer left to break records in 22:43 wizzyrea_ afaict it's been pretty average here. 22:44 wizzyrea_ though it was super chilly last week 22:44 dcook Mmm, it was chilly last night 22:44 dcook Well, when I say chilly... I mean that I needed a top sheet 22:44 dcook (but my wife had stolen it...) 22:44 dcook But also hot enough that I could actually sleep without any sheets/blankets/etc... 22:45 dcook Actually, I wonder about Texans and people from central/northern Australia 22:45 dcook Must be pretty hot... 22:46 eythian @wunder canberra 22:46 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Madison Apartments, Narrabundah, Capital Territory is 22.7°C (9:45 AM AEDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 22:46 M_Sic That's why this texan moved someplace where walking outside is actually pleasant :) 22:46 eythian I would have expected warmer 22:46 dcook Hehe, and where did you go M_Sic? 22:47 M_Sic @wunder lihue 22:47 huginn M_Sic: The current temperature in Lihue, Hawaii is 25.0°C (11:53 AM HST on January 08, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Falling). High surf advisory in effect until 6 PM HST this evening... 22:47 dcook eythian: Nah, Canberra is usually fairly cool I think 22:47 eythian dcook: I've been there, it was only 40-ish... 22:47 dcook Hmm, weird 22:47 M_Sic Yeah, no "high surf advisories" in Texas though 22:47 eythian though, that could have been an abberation 22:47 dcook Possibly 22:47 dcook M_Sic: I guess not, eh? 22:48 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra#Climate <-- looks like that was a record though 22:48 dcook I wish I understood the "in-law" thing better 22:48 dcook My sister's husband's brother lives in Hawaii 22:48 rangi @wunder adelaide 22:48 dcook Keep meaning to visit one day 22:48 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 22:48 dcook lol 22:48 rangi @wunder adelaide, sa 22:48 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 22:48 dcook So many jokes to be made... 22:48 * dcook has never been to adelaide, but thinks he'd probably actually like it 22:48 rangi @wunder adl 22:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Cowandilla, Adelaide, South Australia is 19.9°C (9:18 AM ACDT on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 22:49 dcook Mmm, that sounds pleasant 22:49 eythian I've been there once, but I was 8 years old. 22:49 rangi thats better than the 46 it was 22:49 rangi @wunder perth, australia 22:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Eden Hill, Eden Hill, Western Australia is 17.4°C (6:48 AM AWST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 22:49 dcook @wunder darwin, australia 22:49 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Anula Heights, Anula, Northern Territory is 27.6°C (8:19 AM ACST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 22:49 dcook huh.. 22:49 M_Sic now that there are more people around, anybody have any suggestions for things to check if searching for items in both the staff interface and OPAC doesn't work with no koha or apache errors and items show up int he yaz-client command line tool? 22:49 dcook @wunder brisbane, australia 22:49 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Wavell Heights, Wavell Heights, Queensland is 27.5°C (8:49 AM AEST on January 09, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 22:49 rangi all a lot cooler than a few days ago 22:50 dcook M_Sic: opac suppression perhaps 22:50 dcook Oh wait, you said staff interface didn't work 22:50 M_Sic right; not showing up on either, although you can scan by barcode to check items out and it finds them 22:50 dcook I think scan by barcode uses the db rather than zebra 22:51 dcook eythian: That's pretty hot 22:51 dcook I think it was in the low 40s when I went househunting in 2013 22:51 eythian yeah, brisbane is warm. 22:52 dcook M_Sic: that sounds like a tricky one... 22:52 eythian I really want to get koha having meaningful errors when it can't talk to zebra, rather than just "no results found" 22:52 dcook When you say it doesn't work, do you mean it says "0 results found" or something like that? 22:52 M_Sic Heh, and on a new install too :( The group I'm setting it up has a CentOS VPS that I'm supposed to use 22:53 dcook CentOS? That's a rare one for Koha I think 22:53 M_Sic Correct; no results found 22:53 dcook eythian: Yeah, that would be good and probably not that difficult at all.. 22:53 M_Sic it's been a pain. Had things working just fine on my test Debian server to kind of learn my way around and then realized what I had to work with 22:54 dcook I occasionally think about learning how to build RPMs for Fedora and Suse based systems, but... haven't had time/sponsorship for that 22:54 dcook So it's a new install... 22:55 dcook So I doubt there's anything in the system preferences "OpacHiddenItems" and "OpacSuppression" probably says "Don't hide"? 22:55 M_Sic Right; should be super easy. No data to migrate from an old system even. 22:55 dcook What search queries are you using in Koha and yaz-client? 22:56 M_Sic Nothing in OpacHiddenItems and OpacSuppression is set to Don't Hide 22:56 M_Sic Right now there are only two books in the system. I've tried searching by Author, Title, and ISBN. Same searches work with yaz-client 22:58 dcook I suppose I'm curious about yaz-client, because there are lots of ways you can issue queries with it which are quite dissimilar to Koha... 22:59 dcook But from the sound of it, it's probably not that anyway 22:59 M_Sic I was following the directions from this post: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/catalogue-search-not-working-td3050990.html 23:00 M_Sic so, just f "Hawaii" for one of the books that has Hawaii in the title 23:00 dcook Yeah that should be roughly equivalent to a keyword search in Koha 23:00 dcook Mm 23:00 dcook Are you using ICU? 23:00 dcook and DOM? 23:00 wahanui it has been said that DOM is the answer... 23:01 dcook I seem to recall having some issues with search when using DOM and ICU together 23:01 M_Sic Hm. I don't know. Will look into it. 23:02 dcook Did you do a Debian packages install? 23:02 M_Sic UseICU is set to Not Using 23:02 dcook Ah, that system preference isn't always the best indication 23:03 dcook I can't recall which file will tell you... I'll have to look 23:03 dcook default.idx, I think 23:03 M_Sic Installed from source since I'm on CentOS 23:04 dcook Ah, you're on CentOS 23:04 dcook I wasn't sure if you were there or on your Debian system still 23:04 dcook Yikes.. 23:04 dcook No errors though... that's a good sign 23:04 dcook Did you mostly use defaults? 23:04 M_Sic Yep 23:05 dcook I think the default is still "chr" rather than "icu" 23:07 dcook So Zebra is running... 23:07 dcook Did you run rebuild_zebra.pl manually? 23:07 M_Sic Yep; see it via ps aux and can see items via yaz-client 23:07 M_Sic I did and it saw the two items I had there 23:08 dcook Which user did you run rebuild_zebra.pl as? 23:08 M_Sic ooh, I might actually have done it as root instead of as koha 23:08 dcook I can't recall for sure, but it might be worth rebuilding using the koha user 23:09 M_Sic trying that now 23:10 M_Sic And have to head out. I'll try that later and hopefully will be happy by this evening. Thanks for your suggestions. 23:10 dcook Sorry I couldn't be of more help