Time Nick Message 00:09 rangi !jenkins_koha status 00:09 jenkins_koha rangi did you mean me? Unknown command '_koha' 00:09 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help! 00:09 rangi !jenkins status 00:09 jenkins_koha status of all projects: 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha Docs 3.16.x: last build: 5 (1 mo 3 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha%20Docs%203.16.x/5/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 189 (10 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/189/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x(disabled) : last build: 1156 (5 mo 27 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/1156/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_D6: last build: 12 (2 mo 0 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x_D6/12/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_D7: last build: 10 (2 mo 4 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x_D7/10/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_U12: last build: 12 (2 mo 2 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x_U12/12/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_U14: last build: 13 (2 mo 2 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x_U14/13/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x(disabled) : last build: 92 (6 mo 1 day ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/92/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_D6: last build: 48 (2 days 7 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x_D6/48/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_D7: last build: 54 (2 days 7 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x_D7/54/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_U12: last build: 52 (2 days 6 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x_U12/52/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_U14: last build: 55 (2 days 7 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x_U14/55/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x(disabled) : last build: 771 (6 mo 2 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x/771/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_D6: last build: 30 (6 days 11 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_D6/30/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_D7: last build: 30 (6 days 11 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_D7/30/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_U12: last build: 31 (6 days 11 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U12/31/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_U14: last build: 33 (6 days 11 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/33/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_D6(in queue) : last build: 6 (7 days 23 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D6/6/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_D7(in queue) : last build: 9 (7 days 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/9/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_U12: last build: 1 (16 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U12/1/ 00:09 rangi yeah remind me not to do that again 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_U14: last build: 6 (7 days 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/6/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 368 (7 mo 16 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/368/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 585 (14 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/585/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.10.x: last build: 76 (9 mo 3 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/76/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.12.x: last build: 66 (3 mo 28 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/66/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.14.x: last build: 87 (1 mo 4 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.14.x/87/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.8.x: last build: 44 (1 yr 3 mo ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/44/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_master(disabled) : last build: 1931 (5 mo 27 days ago): ABORTED: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1931/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_D6(BUILDING: 3 min 54 sec and counting): last build: 253 (49 min ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D6/253/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_D7(BUILDING: 41 min and counting): last build: 270 (1 hr 24 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/270/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_U12(BUILDING: 28 min and counting): last build: 273 (1 hr 29 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/273/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB(BUILDING: 26 min and counting): last build: 199 (1 hr 30 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/199/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_U14(BUILDING: 40 min and counting): last build: 259 (1 hr 27 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/259/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_Webserver_Test: last build: 1 (4 days 23 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_Webserver_Test/1/ 00:09 jenkins_koha master_maria(disabled) : last build: 805 (4 mo 7 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/805/ 00:10 rangi hmm i wonder why jenkins is being so quiet on job builds 00:10 * rangi goes to look 00:12 rangi ahh its set to only notify on failure, or on fix 00:12 rangi so if it builds fine, its silent 00:15 tcohen wizzyrea: around? 00:15 rangi shes at lunch 00:15 tcohen rangi: thanks 00:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #7 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:24 wizzyrea hi tcohen :) 00:24 tcohen hi :-D 00:25 tcohen i attached a followup to a bug of yours 00:25 wizzyrea oh neat which? 00:25 wizzyrea I suppose it probably turned up in bug mail... 00:25 tcohen "for the sake of usability" on z39.50 00:25 tcohen or something like that 00:25 tcohen =D 00:25 tcohen was about to push it, really 00:26 tcohen along with yours, just wanted to check with the author 00:26 wizzyrea yeah, I agree with that 00:26 wizzyrea :) 00:26 wizzyrea I'll note it 00:27 wizzyrea oh also what's this "search items" thing we've got now in the staff client 00:27 wizzyrea 1. oh hey that's cool, 2. bah it doesn't seem to work? 00:27 wizzyrea also the add items screen - is it just me or has it gone a bit mad? 00:28 rangi http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber=649 <-- that screen? (user:staff pass:staff1) 00:29 rangi looks like a missing div or /div or something 00:29 wizzyrea yeah 00:29 wizzyrea well the fields too 00:29 wizzyrea oh no it's only when you've used teh fast add framework maybe? 00:29 wizzyrea that must be it. 00:30 wizzyrea http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber=30647 > rangi 00:30 wizzyrea these two screens are different. 00:31 wizzyrea ^ that one with the FA framework 00:31 rangi yeah it's to do with the framework 00:31 rangi FA has a ton of fields for the item 00:32 wizzyrea I would ask why but I suspect it's a 123 00:32 rangi its mostly actually to do with the fact that that item has a lot more info defined 00:32 rangi than 649 00:32 rangi if i add more info to 649 00:38 dcook What looks weird at demo-intra...? 00:38 dcook Whoa... I see.. yeah that 30647 does look weird.. 00:39 dcook m - Koha renewals? 00:39 wizzyrea yeah I need one with a clean DB I think. 00:39 wizzyrea to see if FA really does that 00:39 wizzyrea if it does OMG THAT IS SO DUMB (caps intentional, and deserved.) 00:39 dcook That's some weird Koha to MARC mapping... 00:40 wizzyrea I know, let's make a fast add that actually has MORE stuff! 00:40 dcook hehe 00:40 wizzyrea sorry I"ll stop raging soon I promise. 00:40 wizzyrea :) 00:40 wizzyrea to be fair it might be that DB 00:41 dcook Certainly looks like a DB config thing 00:42 wizzyrea naw i'm told that they've been mapped forever, but are normally hidden. I just need to nuke that fw and install the default fast add ;) 00:43 wizzyrea but not today. 01:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #200: FAILURE in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/200/ 01:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 11706: Typo fix for "efault" in old database update 01:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 10051: Separate first name and surname with comma in overdues report 01:00 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13355: System preferences tab value wrong in templates 01:00 jenkins_koha * Mason James: fix for 13331 [Bug 13331] Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks 01:00 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 13410 - Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?" 01:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13410 [QA Followup] 01:00 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 13368 Holds priority messed up on checkout 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11706 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Typo "efault" in updatedatabase.pl 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10051 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , surname and first name should have comma in overdues report 01:00 jenkins_koha * Alexander Cheeseman: bug 13460: suggestion.tt now uses Price plugin 01:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 12059: Publisher column on invoice page always empty 01:00 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12059: Prefer to list fields in the query 01:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 12084: Format planned date in publication details on detail page 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13355 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , System preferences tab value wrong in templates 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13331 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks 01:00 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 13400: Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?" 01:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13400 [QA Followup] - Fix tabs and quotes 01:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13449 - Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13410 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?" 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13368 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Checking out an item not on loan, but with a hold, busts the holds priority 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13460 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Use price template toolkit plugin across all of intranet 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12059 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Publisher code always empty on invoice 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12084 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Published date for serial items not formatted according to dateformat system preference 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?" 01:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13449 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases 01:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:19 wizzyrea aleisha++ that's a great one to sign off. 01:35 eythian http://blog.spark.io/2014/12/17/warsting-a-wifi-scanning-sword-for-hobbits/ 01:39 rangi heh 01:39 rangi should get that for nate 01:39 dcook hehe 01:40 wizzyrea heheh 01:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #9 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:58 wizzyrea confetti 01:58 wahanui confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 01:58 * wizzyrea just wanted to see that gif 04:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 05:20 dcook "Checking the box right next the label will disable the entry and delete the values of that field on all selected patrons" 05:20 dcook You see... I read that... but I thought it was still necessary to check the box and enter a value... 05:20 dcook Nope O_O 05:20 * dcook is glad the nuke can be undid 05:25 eythian A nice thing to do would be have the text box disabled if the checkbox is checked, and visa-versa. Also to perhaps highlight the "delete" part if it is checked. 05:25 eythian I feel that that explanation text is too wordy to be easily understood. 05:27 * dcook agrees 05:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #11 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:02 ashimema_ morning 06:02 eythian ashimema_: hello 06:03 dcook yo ashimema_ 06:03 * ashimema_ could do with some more sleep 06:03 * dcook hears that 06:04 ashimema_ /me's brain wouldn't stop working out dbic queries last night 06:04 * ashimema_ 's brain wouldn't stop working out dbic queries last night 06:04 ashimema_ hmm 06:04 ashimema_ anywho.. 06:04 eythian sounds like nightmares 06:04 ashimema_ how are the two of you? 06:04 eythian sleepy 06:04 ashimema_ yup... 06:05 ashimema_ I woke up at 4am and have been coding ever since.. 06:05 ashimema_ I have no idea what time it would be over there 06:05 eythian 7pm 06:07 ashimema_ beeing sleepy that early is bad ;) 06:07 eythian oh, yesterday was our xmas party. I may have had a late one :) 06:07 ashimema_ So.. as I've caught you awake, may I quiz you with regard to data migration workflows eythian? 06:07 eythian sure 06:07 ashimema_ haha.. I see.. 06:08 ashimema_ I'm mostly interested in the 'where' in the equation.. 06:08 ashimema_ i.e. where you carry out your data manipulation and then loading. 06:09 ashimema_ we're moving to using multi-tenant packages for live and I'm getting grief from our migrations guy as he's always had live systems running dev installs to play with before.. 06:09 ashimema_ so he just did everything in place.. 06:09 ashimema_ but on a multi-tenant live system with packages.. that approach scares the liing daylights out of me. 06:10 eythian hmm, so I do most of the stuff on my desktop, but when I have something to show someone, we put it on a test server. 06:10 ashimema_ and then to progress to live? 06:10 eythian sometimes we do it on the to-be-prod system if they're the only one on there, but I don't really like doing it on ones that are in prod use by other people. 06:10 eythian it feels dangerous 06:11 ashimema_ yeah.. that's my thoughts too. 06:11 eythian often we do a database dump from the test server and just load that into live. 06:11 dcook DBIC queries are good times... 06:11 * dcook is still looking at scrollback 06:11 ashimema_ I'm thinking.. Set up a dev type install for him for each new customer.. let him work as he always has.. then upon go live, migrate the db across 06:12 eythian There's a handy little thing with that that prevents accidents (i.e. the commit will abort if you try to put it into the wrong database if you cat the SQL into koha-mysql 06:12 eythian ) 06:12 ashimema_ k.. so your pretty much along the same lines as me.. 06:12 ashimema_ ooh.. that's a nice idea 06:12 eythian assuming you do the dump so that it has 'use database_name' at the top, and your database names between testing and prod match. 06:12 ashimema_ i was probably just thinking a normal db restore.. but your trick seems safer :) 06:13 ashimema_ that's the aim, yeah 06:13 eythian yeah, just the SQL dumps. 06:13 eythian Many of our clients have a test system that we provide for them as well, so it's easy enough to do it there. 06:13 ashimema_ are you running many multi-tenant servers? 06:14 eythian most of our hosted clients are on multitenant servers 06:14 ashimema_ I think it's the multi-tenant bit that he's most pushing against.. 06:14 ashimema_ cool 06:14 eythian (but most of our servers are single tenant, because that's how maths works :) 06:14 ashimema_ that's where I'de like to be.. 06:15 ashimema_ oh, I see.. 06:15 ashimema_ I've got an NHS cluster going.. one multi-tenant server with 5 koha's.. 06:15 ashimema_ and an accademic cluster with a further 3 koha's 06:16 ashimema_ but thus far everyone else is still dev installs on thier own vm each 06:16 ashimema_ which is less than efficient. 06:16 ashimema_ aim is to migrate them across one by one when I get the time 06:16 eythian ah yep 06:16 dcook eythian: that's how maths works? 06:17 eythian dcook: if you have 5 on server A, 5 on server B, and 1 each on servers X, Y, Z, then most clients are on few servers, but more servers are single tenant. 06:17 ashimema_ they don't actually have many hosted koha customers at catalyst dcook.. 06:17 ashimema_ that's my understanding 06:17 eythian we don't have heaps, but we do have a few. Probably more since you last asked :) 06:17 ashimema_ that's nice to hear.. 06:18 ashimema_ rangi really sruprised me with the numbers last time I spoke to him.. 06:18 ashimema_ for such big players, you seemed to have very few hosted customers 06:18 dcook eythian: Ahh, I getcha now. Crafty :p. 06:18 eythian looks like 13 hosted, one more to go live early next year. 06:19 ashimema_ cool.. that's great news.. 06:19 dcook eythian: Does that mean you remotely deploy or...? 06:19 ashimema_ our numbers scare me.. regarding supporting loads of seperate servers 06:19 eythian dcook: what do you mean? 06:19 eythian ashimema_: yeah, that can get hard work fast unless you're really good about using something like puppet. 06:19 dcook eythian: Maybe I'm not following y ou. 13 hosted clients or 13 servers for hosting? 06:20 eythian dcook: 13 libraries we host. 06:20 dcook And what about the ones you dont' host? 06:20 eythian similarish again 06:20 dcook Similarish? 06:20 eythian those have varying levels of support, depending on what they need/want. 06:20 eythian roughly the same number. 06:21 dcook But they're all self-hosted or hosted elsewhere or whatever, yeah? 06:21 dcook So 26? 06:21 dcook Hmm 06:21 dcook I'm surprised by those numbers too, ashimema_ 06:21 eythian yeah, hosted on their infrastructure. 06:21 eythian typically we VPN/SSH in to do things for them. 06:21 dcook Neato burrito 06:21 dcook (to quote my younger sister) 06:22 ashimema_ I hate it when customers decide they want to self host 06:22 dcook I think the vast majority of ours are hosted 06:23 dcook hehe 06:23 dcook Actually, I think... all but one of ours are hosted 06:23 eythian it is a bit annoying, it means our sysadmins can't manage the server updates etc. 06:23 ashimema_ we actually charge the same or less for hosting it now as we do to support a cpy they host themselves 06:23 eythian the ones that host themselves tend to be lower maintenance. 06:23 ashimema_ I'd say 98% of our customers are now hosted.. 06:24 dcook eythian: Yeah, the self-hosted one is really low maintenance 06:24 dcook I think we just have one.. 06:24 ashimema_ yeah, we use salt-stack (like puppet and chef) for server management.. but it's not exactly all that well advanced yet.. 06:24 dcook A few with dedicated servers and lots are multitenant 06:24 dcook ashimema_: neato. I was thinking of looking at that one 06:24 ashimema_ we grew very organically so it's been a ission to centralise server management after the fact 06:24 ashimema_ you use multitenant allot dcook.. 06:24 ashimema_ cool 06:25 eythian yeah, we have similar issues, I'd really like to do something about that. 06:25 ashimema_ do you follow similar migration steps as eythian? 06:25 dcook ashimema_: Good question. I was just wondering about that 06:25 eythian one of these days I'll build a magic system that gives us autoscaling in openstack, but it's a fair bit of work. 06:25 ashimema_ haha.. indeed 06:26 dcook Yeah, I'm slowly moving us towards more magic 06:26 dcook Slowly but surely 06:26 dcook Well, robust magic 06:26 dcook There is always a bit of magic 06:26 ashimema_ It's really hard getting people to update their personal workflows.. 06:26 dcook more robust* 06:26 dcook So true 06:26 * dcook has worked hard on that one 06:26 dcook As for migration... 06:26 ashimema_ I need good hard evidence of why our migrations guy should start doing them differently.. 06:26 dcook I suppose my boss handles all the migrations 06:27 dcook So more of the coarse work 06:27 dcook While as I tend to do more work with finesse 06:27 ashimema_ the annoyance is to do it his old way we'de have to stick with a server per cusotmer which is expensive (both in terms of money and everyone elses time) 06:27 dcook Like... working out the last few details 06:27 dcook We have special setups for migrations and testing 06:28 ashimema_ I'd like to go along the lines of temporary test servers for the migration grunt.. then when ready for live migrate the database onto the live multi-tenant 06:28 dcook I point my dev install at the branch I need, throw in a DB, and then work 06:29 ashimema_ and blow away the temp server (after backing up of course) 06:29 ashimema_ yeah.. me too dcook 06:29 eythian dcook: that's how I do dev stuff too 06:29 dcook Mmm, we do have a line of backup servers which we sometimes use for things too 06:29 dcook Like if a client is already live but needs to migrate some new data 06:30 eythian oh yeah, we've got one of those coming up soon. 06:30 dcook We still have the backup of the database, but we swap the prod DB into the "live" backup 06:30 dcook So they can trouble shoot it 06:30 ashimema_ that's the case in point that my collegue is using to push back hard on.. 'but what fi they decide at future date x that they want more data migrating... I wan't all my work to just be there and workign for me already' 06:31 dcook I think a temporary system would be fine in that scenario 06:31 dcook Or not temporary.. but not dedicated 06:31 ashimema_ me too 06:31 dcook We sometimes use generic instances to load migration data and have clients look at that 06:31 ashimema_ I should script this.. the creation of a system part at least. 06:31 dcook It's the same code and the same DB 06:32 dcook ashimema_: should be easy enough :) 06:32 dcook Ah, but we don't use packages 06:32 dcook We use OpenSuse, so I've rigged up my own scripts 06:32 ashimema_ eythian,dcook.. how do you go about testing stuff that has to be tested on the live server before the live day then? 06:32 dcook One of these days I'll learn how to package RPMs for Suse... 06:32 ashimema_ for instance sip connections 06:32 eythian well, if we need to do more work on their data, we copy the prod DB into test and do it there, you need current data anyway. 06:33 eythian ashimema_: it's hopefully all good on the testing server 06:33 eythian but if need be, then we do it on the prod server. 06:33 dcook Alas, haven't had much experience with SIP so not sure about that one 06:33 eythian it's nicer if you can not do that though. 06:33 dcook Yeah, I suppose if you needed to do it on prod, you could always just make an adjacent instance... and then maybe tweak as necessary 06:33 dcook We don't have heaps of people using SIP though 06:34 dcook And the ones that do often have dedicated servers, iirc 06:34 ashimema_ yeah.. unfortunately most of our customers use sip self-checks and most demand that we check a few connections from the live server work before go live day 06:34 eythian we have a few, it's reasonably straightforward. 06:34 dcook Yeah, I'd probably just test it on prod then 06:35 ashimema_ just trying to think of anything else to ask whilst i've got you both ;) 06:35 dcook Haha, I am thinking of running out in a minute 06:35 ashimema_ do you add any custom background scripts to your multi-tenant live servers? 06:35 dcook Oh man... we have custom scripts coming out of everywhere 06:35 ashimema_ for instance a background job to sync user data with a customers local registry 06:35 * dcook actually did some tidying up today in fact.. 06:35 dcook Ah, stuff like that 06:35 dcook Mmm 06:35 eythian we don't 06:36 dcook A bit 06:36 dcook Sometimes for integrating DSpace and Koha 06:36 dcook Or... shipping stuff off to Ebsco 06:36 ashimema_ I would like to standardise ours and stick it back in community. 06:36 eythian there's one system (that we don't host) that automatically moves prod data to their own testing server, but that's not very complicated. 06:36 ashimema_ but there will always be extra bits.. as you say like ebsco exports 06:36 dcook Yeah, and Ebsco can be a bit fiddly 06:36 eythian hmm, we might have something for ebsco, I'm not actually sure. 06:36 dcook We have a few others I think 06:36 dcook Depending on what the client needs 06:37 ashimema_ we have shed loads of custom scripts and customizations in general.. 06:37 ashimema_ I'm desperately trying to ween us off them all 06:37 dcook \o/ 06:37 dcook I think we only have... 06:38 * dcook checks 06:38 dcook Roughly 126 customizations to Koha 06:38 dcook A few of those are waiting for sign offs 06:38 dcook It's actually not a bad number... when I first started here I think it was around 230 06:38 dcook I've gotten in about 70-some patches I think 06:38 ashimema_ and are those spread randomly accross customers.. or shared customisation applied across all customers dcook 06:39 dcook And the other 30 I think weren't needed anymore as someone else in the community had done them 06:39 ashimema_ the fact you could give me a figure makes it sound like the later 06:39 dcook Yep 06:39 dcook We control a lot of things with system preferences 06:39 ashimema_ lol.. all part of the same game plan.. 06:39 dcook And other options 06:40 dcook Really though, I'd love to reduce that 126 by a lot 06:40 dcook Slowly but surely... 06:40 eythian we have a few branches for different people, but whenever we can we try to lose customisations. 06:40 ashimema_ i'm going through customers one at a time and cleaning up their custom work for submission into community. ;) 06:40 ashimema_ but at the moment they're all running very different branches to each other :'( 06:40 dcook :( 06:40 dcook Yeah, we pretty much support two versions at a time and everyone runs on the same 06:40 eythian we group them into classes, and so one customised branch is used by many libraries, even if they're on different servers. 06:41 dcook Well, I guess three versions at the moment, but no one is on the third. It's just an OAI harvester tester 06:41 dcook eythian: sounds like a good way of doing it 06:41 ashimema_ that's exactly where Id like to get to eythian. 06:41 eythian it just reduces the branch management mess a bit. 06:41 ashimema_ deffo 06:41 ashimema_ mess being the operative word there 06:41 ashimema_ cheers guys.. that's really helped. 06:42 dcook :) 06:42 dcook Glad to have helped 06:42 dcook And one day... that 126 will be far lower... 06:42 dcook It's mostly about having the time to upstream changes 06:42 ashimema_ now to go back to our migrations man and tell him he's being needlessly silly. 06:42 dcook We have a lot of clients O_O 06:42 dcook And we're always working on new things too 06:42 dcook hehe 06:42 dcook I didn't say anything about anyone being silly :p 06:42 dcook But yeah, I think you and he have options 06:43 eythian hi cait 06:43 ashimema_ i'm looking at it from the 'greater good' picture.. 06:43 ashimema_ the compan would do better as a whole if the larger number of people had less work and we had less hardware expense 06:43 ashimema_ ;) 06:43 ashimema_ that's going to be my sales pitch 06:43 * cait waves 06:43 cait was reading back 06:43 ashimema_ morning cit 06:44 eythian ashimema_: want us to send some people your way to build you an openstack cluster? :) 06:44 dcook :D 06:44 dcook hey cait 06:44 cait :) 06:44 dcook I should really go home.. 06:44 dcook Actually, I should go look for gardening stuff 06:44 eythian me too, just ran security updates for everyone. 06:44 dcook We just got a vermicomposting bin yesterday 06:44 eythian well, all the ones that we do that for that aren't internal. 06:44 eythian and only the ones with a working VPN... 06:46 ashimema_ i'm not sure an openstack cluster would really win us anything eythian ;) 06:46 eythian we're wanting to eventually move all our stuff onto it 06:46 ashimema_ we can already scale our servers up and down dynamically as we need to.. 06:46 eythian ah right 06:46 ashimema_ i'm not sure what openstack does better ;) 06:46 ashimema_ can't really remember it's main selling point 06:47 eythian I want to have it all automatic in the end, so at night there might only be one server, but during the day when things are busy it scales up to handle the load. 06:47 eythian so all clients behind one load balancer, and on any number of identical web frontends talking to a separate search and db server. 06:48 ashimema_ ooh.. that is cool 06:48 ashimema_ we're not doing that sort of load balancing at all yet.. 06:48 eythian it'll be a while before we get there though :) 06:48 ashimema_ though I'd like to move that way.. 06:48 ashimema_ at the moment, if a system seems as though it's getting bogged down, we just increase it's resources.. 06:49 ashimema_ our system basically has a 'performance' slider.. which increases cpu cores and ram 06:49 eythian we'd also like to have a website where you can buy your own koha instance and it just adds stuff to make it happen automatically, but that'll be even further off. 06:49 ashimema_ biblibre do that I beleive 06:49 ashimema_ I'de also like to do that.. but the guys above me don;'t think it's worth our time 06:50 eythian oh yeah? The main issue is that koha instances are fairly heavyweight. I don't know if that is avoidable though. 06:50 ashimema_ I thought they did.. 06:50 dcook Hmm, that does sound interesting... 06:51 eythian in the medium term, I'd like to get the instances able to be deployed by puppet. 06:51 ashimema_ I 'think' http://www.pikoloco.com/ 06:51 dcook Oh no... not the configuration manager conversation... I was just about to go... 06:52 * dcook is going to get back to Chef and AWS on Monday... and maybe start using Ansible for his personal computers 06:52 eythian ashimema_: that sure looks like it 06:52 * dcook runs off before anyone can say anything more 06:52 eythian my French is more or less non-existant however. 06:52 dcook night all 06:52 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 06:52 eythian later dcook 06:52 * dcook will look at the French stuff in the morning :p 06:52 * dcook really goes this time 06:54 ashimema_ our hosting providers use Ansible dcook 06:54 ashimema_ I 'think' i've i'de found Ansible before Salt I may have used it 06:54 ashimema_ i use google translate eythian 06:55 eythian that would have been sensible :) 06:59 eythian also time for me to go, later ashimema_, cait 07:00 * Oak waves 07:00 ashimema_ night mate 07:00 Oak later Mr. Robin 07:00 cait bye eythian, hi Oak 07:00 Oak hello Katrin 07:01 cait :) 07:01 Oak :) 07:01 Oak how is Marcus? 07:05 cait good i think, gonna visit themfor christmas 07:06 Oak cool. 07:07 Oak he has a sister as well now? 07:10 cait no still no nieces :) 07:13 Oak :) okay. 07:34 magnuse Oak 07:35 marcelr hi #koha 07:37 cait hi marcelr :) 07:37 marcelr :) 07:37 * magnuse waves 07:38 cait bbiab 07:44 reiveune hello 07:53 marcelr hi magnuse and reiveune 07:54 reiveune hi marcelr dcook rangi 08:11 drojf good morning #koha 08:11 magnuse moin drojf 08:12 drojf hei magnuse 08:15 magnuse :-) 08:21 cait good morning #koha 08:22 drojf hi cait 08:22 cait hi drojf :) 08:22 cait feeling better? 08:23 drojf not sure yet :) 08:29 cait hm 08:35 magnuse kia ora cait 08:36 cait hi magnuse 08:45 gaetan_B hello 08:46 cait hi gaetan_B 09:03 Oak magnuse 09:03 ashimema I is confused 09:08 magnuse ashimema: anything we can do to help? 09:08 * magnuse waves at akafred 09:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 09:53 mtompset I'm trying to make sense of the plack instructions on the wiki. 09:53 mtompset Anyone around who is familiar with Plack? 10:23 nlegrand Hey #koha 10:33 BobB hi 10:34 BobB does anyone know what the account type FU represents, in the Patron (Fines) module? 10:37 magnuse hiya nlegrand and BobB 10:37 nlegrand o/ magnuse 10:38 magnuse BobB: Fine Unpaid? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hard_Coded_Values 10:38 BobB hi magnuse 10:39 BobB yeah, I thought of that, but how would it be different to F (Fine)? 10:39 magnuse heh, no idea 10:40 BobB I do notice that for the particular item the fine has maxed out at the 'Overdue Fines Cap' 10:41 BobB So FO or FM might have made sense, but FU? 10:42 BobB we'll look in the code then 10:42 BobB thx magnuse 10:45 cait fines unpaid 10:45 cait i think it's about being returned or not, but not totally sure 10:46 magnuse maybe there are some hints in Bug 9626 10:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9626 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , can't pay FU fines without messing things up 10:47 drojf bug 13465 may be qa'd :) 10:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset (Lost, damaged, not for loan status, ...) 10:53 cait Joubu++ 10:53 cait will try tonight, but hoping someone beats me to it 10:56 gaetan_B is www.koha-community.com down ? 10:57 cait .org? 10:57 cait :) 10:57 gaetan_B :-| 10:57 cait browser autocomplete? 10:57 gaetan_B good point cait :) 10:57 cait happy to be able to help :) 11:00 gaetan_B there is something at koha-community.com though, but it just serves a blank page 11:02 paxed FU == Fine Update 11:03 cait ah 11:04 paxed C4/Overdues.pm has a FIXME listing the codes. 11:26 BobB ok, thank you paxed 14:16 mveron hi #koha 14:16 mveron @wunder Allschwil 14:16 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 11.8°C (3:16 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 14:16 magnuse bye #koha 14:16 magnuse @wunder boo 14:16 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (2:50 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985 hPa (Steady). 14:16 mveron bye magnuse :-) 14:33 drojf hi mveron :) 14:33 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 14:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 9.9°C (3:30 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 14:33 mveron hi drojf :-) 16:05 mveron bye #koha 17:21 gaetan_B bye 17:46 KotH a wonderfull evening! 17:51 KotH i installed koha on a debian/stable machine from the koha repository. everything works fine, but responce time of koha is abysimally slow. every access takes seconds (between 1 and 20 seconds) 17:51 KotH the system seems to spend time in some of the perl scripts 17:52 reiveune bye 17:52 KotH is this a known problem? if so, any hints how to fix it (i couldnt find anything in the bug reports), if it isnt how can i further investigate the cause? 17:52 cait KotH: not sure - 20 seconds istoo long 17:53 KotH yes, i'm surprised apache doesnt time out 17:53 ashimema any script in particular might at least narrow it down.. 17:53 KotH ok, the machine is veeeery old. a dual P-III 1GHz 17:53 KotH but i thought it's fine for testing :) 17:53 ashimema I run koha for dev purposes on a 1 core 1 gb ram system.. 17:54 ashimema and it ticks along ok 17:55 KotH login takes 5 seconds... spending most of the time in opac-main.pl 17:58 ashimema ooh.. 17:58 ashimema now that is odd.. 17:58 ashimema that's usually very snappy.. 17:58 ashimema it's searching the catalogue that really slows on an underpowered system.. 17:58 ashimema I'm afraid I've gotta go cook the daughters dinner now.. 17:59 ashimema but should be back later if your still struggling 17:59 KotH oki. have fun 18:00 drojf KotH: how much RAM dou you have? if you run into swap it can get pretty slow 18:01 drojf *do 18:01 KotH 1.8G 18:01 KotH and no, the system isnt swapping 18:01 KotH that was the first thing i checked 18:02 drojf hm no that should be ore than enough 18:02 drojf *more 18:09 KotH the strace output looks like perl is spending most of its time to look for modules to load 18:09 KotH which is ... weird 18:16 drojf KotH: one thing that seemed to slow down things for me in the opac was a 'color.css' entry in opaccolorstylesheet that referenced a file that did not exist 18:17 KotH i didnt see any stats on that 18:17 * KotH wonders whether he should use mod_perl 18:21 cait hm no 18:21 cait KotH: strange question maybe, but how did you install and from where? 18:22 cait just checking to make sure :) 18:24 KotH i put "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" into my sources.list and then just "apt-get install koha-common" 18:24 KotH system is a debian/stable (wheezy) 18:25 KotH perl 5.14 18:25 wahanui perl 5.14 is from Ubuntu. 18:25 cait hm ok 18:40 * chris_n give his zebra a swift kick 18:41 chris_n reindexing gets hung and borks with "zebraidx(439) [warn] Couldn't open collection.abs [No such file or directory]" and cranks up the CPU load thusly: 4.77, 1.97, 1.04 18:42 chris_n I don't recall a collection.abs; is that something new in the last couple of years? 18:45 KotH eh.. it is loading modules... most stime is spend in Class::Accessor::Grouped::__ANON__[Class/Accessor/Grouped.pm:810] shortly followed by Class::C3::Componentised::ensure_class_loaded 18:46 * chris_n figures that zebraidx should fail gracefully at least 18:47 chris_n but then, come to think of it, zebra never did anything graceful anyway 18:51 drojf chris_n: you got switched to dom while you actually use grs indexing 18:52 drojf see bug 13396 18:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13396 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-rebuild-zebra: Couldn't open collection.abs error after 3.18 package update 18:53 * KotH gets the impression that his perl is borked 18:54 drojf chris_n: add to your koha-conf.xml the lines 18:54 drojf <zebra_bib_index_mode>grs1</zebra_bib_index_mode> 18:54 drojf <zebra_auth_index_mode>grs1</zebra_auth_index_mode> 18:54 drojf <zebra_lockdir>/var/lock/koha/__KOHASITE__</zebra_lockdir> 18:54 drojf <use_zebra_facets>0</use_zebra_facets> 18:54 drojf (change the _KOHASITE_ ) 18:59 chris_n drojf++ 18:59 chris_n interestingly enough, this was an update of a dev install rather than a package 18:59 chris_n apparently this got messed up when I re-ran Makefile.PL 19:32 * chris_n was bragging on Koha to the county library when they pointed me to their "new" system 19:32 chris_n I looked and this is what I saw: http://nccardinal.org/eg/opac/home 19:32 chris_n :-) 19:32 * chris_n pokes gmcharlt 19:34 cait :) 19:42 wizzyrea chris_n: I guess we can't be too mad about that. 19:43 chris_n no, it was just a very hilarious coincidence! 19:44 wizzyrea feels like that issue with GRS1 should be fixed. 19:44 chris_n there's nothing like heralding the benefits of OSS software only to be told "we're there" :-) 19:44 * chris_n agrees on the GRS1 foo 19:59 chris_n more index problems :-P 19:59 chris_n Entity: line 109: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document 19:59 chris_n <record 19:59 chris_n ^ 19:59 chris_n but a quick look at the marcxml fields in biblioitems seems to show everything is intact 20:12 wizzyrea weird. 20:22 rangi germs 20:22 rangi germs? 20:22 wahanui well, germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 20:22 rangi germs? 20:22 wahanui rumour has it germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 20:22 rangi germs? 20:22 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 20:23 cait hmpf? 20:23 rangi hehe 20:23 rangi kristina has germs 20:31 cait hmpf? 20:32 wizzyrea poor kristina. 20:33 ibeardslee She must have partied too hard on Wednesday 20:34 ibeardslee A number of other people seemed to have pickup up illnesses yesterday. 20:37 rangi she didnt even go to the party, she did some work til about 7 then went home cos she had to do a conference call thing to the US early next morning 20:37 rangi so, not partying enough i think is the problem 20:38 cait wow 21:14 KotH btw: does anyone run koha on an x86 (ie 32bit)? 21:14 * KotH is getting the impression he stumbled over a perl bug that only manifests itself on x86 22:34 cbrannon Is bugzilla slow today? 22:34 wnickc cbrannon: thanks for that reports info, I just kept banging my head against that %5 with variables 22:35 cbrannon wnickc: no problem 22:36 wnickc I get it enough to make it work now, but it still feels like magic 22:37 cbrannon sql=magic 22:37 cbrannon Actually sql>magic 22:39 cbrannon wnickc: how well do you know the inventory tool? 22:39 wnickc I mean, we've talked at a few parties, but we don't hang out 22:39 dcook I'd have to go with magic>sql :p 22:39 cbrannon haha 22:39 cbrannon :) 22:40 cbrannon wnickc: Have you used the tool? 22:40 wnickc I have dabbled, we actually decided to just check in every item because it didn't have the functions we wanted when we tried 22:41 wnickc but it has been Kyled and should be better now 22:41 cbrannon "Kyled" - I like that. 22:41 cait good night all :) 22:46 wnickc did you have a specific thing you were trying to do with it? 22:55 cbrannon wnickc: trying to figure out the messages 22:56 dcook message? 22:56 wahanui hmmm... message is a warning not an error. 22:56 dcook message is also the medium is the message 22:56 wahanui okay, dcook. 22:56 dcook message? 22:56 wahanui hmmm... message is the medium is the message 22:56 dcook damn 22:56 dcook I did that all wrong :p 22:56 dcook forget message 22:56 wahanui dcook: I forgot message 22:56 dcook message? 22:56 dcook medium? 22:56 dcook medium is the message 22:56 dcook medium? 22:56 wahanui medium is the message 22:56 dcook I don't even buy it, but it sounds good 22:57 wnickc :) 22:57 dcook Hmm, looks like Windows 8.1 has crapped out again... 22:57 wnickc If I had a nickel... 23:02 cbrannon nickel? 23:02 cbrannon nickel is the message 23:46 cbrannon Has anyone tried http://www.libraryextension.com/? Pretty cool. 23:57 dac cbrannon: Interesting. I wonder how it works...