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23:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13449 - Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=22d9db667281319afd9811f75c4e6a0ee298d334> / Bug 13400 [QA Followup] - Fix tabs and quotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d6d9de5e7a9c682c835c2522e21d9878786fd51> / Bug 13400: Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?" <http://git.koha-community.org
23:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13368 Holds priority messed up on checkout <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef6bc21b2c4ebe04f6d22d081e447f6bb2955029> / Bug 13410 [QA Followup] <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7081a0852b8d627328e503cfe53b8f32e6d623a> / Bug 13410 - Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
22:59 BobB hi tcohen :)
22:59 tcohen hi BobB
22:50 BobB hey jmsasse, all good up your way?
22:50 jmsasse thanks BobB
22:45 tcohen thanks BobB
22:44 rangi thanks BobB
22:44 BobB thanks everyone
22:44 BobB ok that was a bit long but we got there
22:42 BobB cait are you awake? :)
22:42 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014.2014-12-17-21.09.log.html
22:42 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014.2014-12-17-21.09.txt
22:42 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014.2014-12-17-21.09.html
22:42 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 22:42:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:42 BobB #endmeeting
22:42 rohdechris that makes feb 10 am PST--sounds fair to me
22:41 BobB If there is no motion for recission I will close the meeting
22:41 cbrannon perhaps if we all syncronized our clocks to one time? ;)
22:41 rangi in feb
22:41 rangi the next one most likely around 18UTC
22:41 BobB It is of course not possible to ahve a time convenient world wide
22:40 rangi rohdechris: yeah we rotate it
22:40 BobB oh dear, any motion for recission of that last agreement?
22:40 rohdechris would Feb meeting be at a better PST time?
22:40 bag heh
22:39 bag but just cause I say no - doesn’t mean it’s not possible ;)
22:39 cbrannon North Idaho. That's 2am for me.
22:39 BobB anything else?
22:39 bag -1
22:39 tcohen where do u live cbrannon ?
22:39 BobB #agreed The next meeting will be held on 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC
22:39 drojf +1
22:38 cbrannon -1
22:38 tcohen +1
22:38 rangi +1
22:38 BobB Vote no w please
22:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13362: translate script creates dirs on update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0edebb12b4aa9bb0532eb574aaaeee201a61f595> / Bug 13375: Syspref search highlight styling broken in Chrome <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c23ef54a32bbdfcc04e59b96ae9936240c46e41> / BUG 13468: Overdue notice lists all checked out books <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko
22:38 BobB No objections? Then the proposal is 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC
22:38 tcohen :-D
22:38 cbrannon -1
22:38 tcohen I think I can get up that early once a month
22:38 tcohen thanks drojf
22:37 bag yeah it’s a bit early but that’s cool I love getting up early :) and the ginny pie can join me
22:37 BobB it'll be a civilised after dinner time for me
22:37 drojf http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+IRC+General+Meeting&iso=20150114T10
22:36 BobB tcohen the proposal is 10 UTC
22:36 BobB hold the vote please while bag checks
22:36 tcohen PM?
22:36 tcohen you mean 10 P;¡
22:36 * bag checking timesw
22:36 rangi hmm that might be too late for the americans, i dunno
22:36 BobB Vote please on next meeting is January 14th at 10 UTC
22:35 rangi 10UTC
22:35 rangi actually
22:35 rangi how about 20UTC ?
22:35 tcohen +
22:34 bag +1
22:34 BobB who wants to suggest the time?
22:34 drojf +1 for 14th
22:34 tcohen 14th is fine
22:34 BobB Jan 21 is near a release date
22:33 BobB so is January 14th too soon for next meeting?
22:33 BobB #agreed There will be only one meeting per month: times will be rotated to promote best possible attendance
22:32 BobB any more?
22:32 tcohen +1
22:31 jmsasse +1
22:31 rangi +1
22:31 drojf +1
22:31 BobB Vote now pls
22:31 BobB Does the meeting agree to revert to rotating times and to have only one meeting per month?
22:30 BobB ok hold on, let me put the question
22:30 bag +1 for rotating
22:30 drojf i think 2utc
22:30 bag I agree with that
22:30 BobB the idea was to enable more people to attend, but the benefit is maybe marginal
22:30 drojf +1 for rotating, maybe leaving out the 3rd "evil" time that did not attract many people
22:29 rangi yeah i think maybe going back to rotating the time might be better
22:29 drojf and strange people like myself end up having the meeting twice
22:28 drojf the first meeting is kind of a lesser one, with lots of "well we have to see about the second meeting", second meeting attendees don't read the minutes of the first
22:28 drojf it seems that splitting the meeting does not work very well
22:27 BobB #topic Next Meeting
22:27 rangi yes
22:27 BobB cool, thx
22:27 rangi http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/
22:27 rangi i think so
22:27 BobB Is that one done, re Koha Con?
22:26 rangi is the only other one
22:26 BobB and we've dealt with that
22:26 rangi adding a note/link to the kc website about kohacon15
22:26 rangi thats the only one from meeting 1
22:26 rangi BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles
22:25 BobB there was only one action from meeting #2 and we've dealt with it
22:25 BobB can someone check the minutes of meeting #1 in Nov?
22:24 BobB #topic Actions from Nov meeting
22:23 drojf nice
22:23 BobB thanks rangi
22:23 rangi so things sound on track
22:22 rangi they are already getting lots of nigerian librarians asking when can they register
22:22 rangi they are working on the costings of food/lodging etc and will update us all when they know
22:22 rangi yep
22:22 BobB any updates anyone?
22:21 BobB I think Olug is not here?
22:21 BobB #topic KohaCon15
22:21 BobB #action BobB to prepare ground for decisions to be taken in January re wiki curation and Comms Manager
22:20 rangi sounds good
22:20 BobB before that role is advertised, so can we kick that to January meeting also?
22:20 rangi yeah good idea
22:19 BobB Re the Comms Manager, I want to liaise with the newsletter editors to make sure they understand they are not being made redundant ...
22:19 cbrannon yes
22:19 rangi i think so
22:18 BobB Done?
22:18 BobB and we'll sort out who the coordinator will be and exactly what the role is at/after the next meeting
22:18 BobB so we're saying ask volunteers to come forward,
22:17 BobB by the 'role' we're talking about a coordinator of a team of volunteers
22:17 BobB #agreed To move discussion of wiki curation to next meeting and to call for volunteers now
22:16 drojf +1
22:16 BobB any more?
22:16 rangi +1
22:15 rohdechris +1
22:15 bag +1
22:15 BobB Pls vote (+1 or -1)
22:15 cbrannon +1
22:14 BobB 1 - move vote/more discussion to next meeting and Ask for more volunteers now: then advertise the role on the mailing list
22:14 BobB I propose an amendment to bag's first motion:
22:14 bag BobB: can you advertise this?
22:13 BobB ok, so this does not become too long tonight:
22:12 BobB that wasn't meant to be an advert, at the time
22:12 BobB #link http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/36732
22:11 rangi http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.koha/36732
22:11 huginn cbrannon: I suck
22:11 cbrannon @bag: that was something else
22:11 bag cbrannon: if you have the subject of the email we can find it in nabble
22:11 BobB not from me, and I had carriage from the last meeting
22:10 bag I think cbrannon said there was an email
22:10 rangi but i might be wrong
22:10 rangi i thought there was an email
22:10 BobB I think Thomas is interested, but he was in the discussion in Nov
22:10 bag ;)
22:10 bag ok take out the RE part
22:10 BobB bag,clarifying motion 1: you say re-advertise, but it hasn't been advertised yet?
22:08 bag 2 - upgrade now - but who does it?
22:08 drojf as in takes time
22:08 bag 1 - move vote/more discussion to next meeting and Ask for more volunteers now (re advertise)
22:08 drojf as far as i understood upgrading as it is is rather complicated
22:08 rangi i dont think we have anyone who has the time to do it at the moment
22:08 bag I see two BobB
22:07 bag can we vote on upgrade now? OR do we not have anyone that could do the upgrade?
22:07 BobB does someone want to propose a motion?
22:07 BobB ok, I am at a disadvantage here, as I've not read either submission
22:06 cait i think simplifying, getting back to stock, would help us maintaining long term
22:06 cait yeah agreeing with rangi
22:06 BobB I am suggesting the January meeting could make that decision, then we advertise
22:05 drojf as for the technical side… i think we should … yep what rangi says ^^
22:04 rangi i do think it needs an upgrade and get back to stock, then figure out what extensions we need, i agree with ashimema there
22:04 drojf they (and all of us) agreed to a group approach for the wiki. that is as far as we could get
22:04 bag and perhaps some more volunteers
22:04 BobB I propose we defer this till next meeting, to allow the discussion to progress
22:03 BobB sounds right bag
22:03 bag hmm MRenvoize comments don’t seem that bad to me - perhaps we should give sometime for thd to comment back? I move to not vote on this at this time
22:03 BobB well, if the role is controversial, its just as well I haven't done that
22:02 cbrannon yes, that is correct
22:02 BobB confirmed
22:02 bag BobB: I just asked nengard_afk to do a blast to our partners
22:01 BobB ok, I think from the Nov. meeting I had actions about advertising those roles,, let me check
22:00 BobB (just getting those links into the minutes)
22:00 BobB #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth
22:00 drojf or, like, first part of the meeting, not necessarily morning for you ^^
22:00 drojf (that was most of this mornings meeting)
21:59 rangi i think would need to send a new email
21:59 bag hmm no bits for coms :( can we try for one more month?
21:59 BobB #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth
21:59 drojf there is also some kind of objection in the discussion http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth
21:58 rangi but no bites for coms
21:58 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth
21:58 rangi i think thd wrote a proposal
21:57 BobB right, but I'm sorry, the dog ate my homework
21:57 BobB #topic Wiki Curator and Communications Manager
21:57 BobB I'm going to combine the next two topics
21:56 BobB done on that topic?
21:56 BobB :)
21:56 bag heh
21:55 bag hey Jo we have some work to bring back to the community ;) BobB you’re up too ;)
21:55 BobB OK?
21:55 BobB #action bag to implement step 1 of the proposed strategy
21:55 bag sweet :D
21:55 BobB #agreed The meeting endorsed the paper by Brendan on Fund Raising for the Koha project
21:54 BobB all done?
21:54 rohdechris +1
21:54 jmsasse +1
21:54 barton +1
21:53 cbrannon +1
21:53 drojf +1
21:53 rangi +1
21:53 BobB Vote now please
21:53 BobB So I'll call for the vote: that the meeting endorses Brendan's paper on fund raising
21:53 rangi +1 for the paper/spec
21:52 rangi yep
21:52 bag ok I’m going to pull back for a bit and let you all talk (I’m not voting either)
21:52 BobB so we are saying one step at a time, then go for it
21:52 bag ;)
21:52 bag yes BobB
21:52 bag build more structure after that - while working with the community
21:51 BobB that is what your paper sets out bag, iirc
21:51 bag 3. use money for sign-offs from a non-support company person
21:51 bag 2. pursue a few koha support companies for some monies
21:50 drojf +1 for full spec/proposal
21:50 rangi yep
21:50 bag I think first let’s get the structure in place (IE click here to donate)…
21:50 rangi +1 #for starting a small no strings attached donation/distribution idea
21:50 BobB OK, the question is:
21:49 BobB rangi: agreed
21:49 rangi so
21:49 BobB ok hold those votes just a mo'
21:49 rangi BobB: not if they get to tell the community how it has to be spent :)
21:49 cbrannon +1
21:49 bag agreed
21:49 rangi if its that then im +1
21:49 BobB rangi, you don't want a Mellon applicaton next week?
21:49 rangi and just a place to accept donations .. before we start adding a pile of complexity like targeting donations etc
21:49 jmsasse +1
21:48 cait +1
21:48 bag and then come back to it
21:48 rangi lets start small
21:48 bag So YES do it - then I think me and some others (I need help). Will really have to write a full spec/proposal
21:48 rangi my main thing is we should try to avoid people scope creeping it
21:48 BobB or I'll take it to a vote
21:48 BobB any questions folks?
21:47 bag yes BobB that’s really the gist of it
21:47 bag Right now we’ve got the HLT ready to be the place that can accept donations (NPO)
21:47 BobB so is the question 'that the meeting endorses the discussion paper'?
21:47 bag I’m just really looking for a — YES go for it - NO don’t do it
21:46 BobB what about fundraising?
21:46 bag http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Proposal-for-fund-raising-for-Koha-to-discuss-vote-at-December-General-Meeting-td5821688.html
21:46 bag ok here is most of it
21:46 bag I LOVE BASEBALL
21:46 BobB LOL
21:46 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
21:46 BobB bag?
21:46 BobB #topic Proposal for fund raising for Koha - to discuss/vote
21:45 wahanui next topic is a tricky one...
21:45 BobB next topic?
21:45 BobB blah
21:44 cbrannon thank you
21:44 BobB #action BobB to find someone to create a Road Map wiki page, else do it himself
21:44 bag works for me
21:44 BobB I'll ask Magnus, else I can do it, ok?
21:43 cbrannon who knows wiki?
21:42 BobB So is there a volunteer to do that?
21:42 BobB #agreed In accordance with discussion at the November meeting, a wiki page for a Koha Road Map should be created
21:42 BobB all done?
21:42 TGoat +1
21:41 edveal +1
21:41 rohdechris +1
21:41 drojf +1
21:41 BobB so continue voting pls
21:40 BobB (I'll assume so unless someone speaks otherwise)
21:40 cbrannon yes
21:40 jmsasse +1
21:40 BobB those votes are in favour of creating the page?
21:40 cbrannon +1
21:39 rangi +1
21:39 bag +1
21:39 BobB any contrary thoughts?
21:38 BobB there can then be discussions about the value or otherwise of what gets put forward
21:37 BobB ok, so why don't we create the Road Map page and get people to list stuff ....
21:37 bag yes please
21:37 BobB Could that be the general Wiki Curator, if we get one?
21:36 BobB but sure a curator would be good to get rid of dead stuff and so on
21:36 bag ;)
21:36 bag everyone should be able to update it - I think someone should organize it
21:36 bag so that way I’m not putting the same thing up there that rangi is (just using english versus new-zealand english)
21:36 BobB If the Road Map exists, can't anyone update it for their new ideas?
21:35 bag could be or not - but someone to organize it
21:35 BobB bag I think you are suggesting a level of control on Road Map content that maybe won't be there always?
21:34 cait ok
21:34 bag make it more stable
21:34 bag but maybe a little more time on it and we’d be able to do something different with it
21:34 bag cait I’d like to bring that Z3950 one back up - it’s just that pianohacker currently has such limited Koha time (because of school)
21:33 BobB so brainstorm possible contents, then have some discernment about what actually goes in, bag?
21:33 bag then have someone curate it
21:32 BobB to create the wiki page and start to populate it with these great ideas
21:32 bag someone create that spot and call to list ideas
21:32 bag I think we need a spot to list ideas BobB
21:32 bag RDF linked data - we should all be pushing for that
21:32 BobB ok, so for the Road Map, the next steps would be ...
21:32 bag but I really feel that the OPAC needs the next jump up
21:31 bag but anyone anywhere can pick that up
21:31 BobB hmm, too bad
21:31 bag basically pianohacker came back and said he’d like to rewrite pazpar2 (and I said we don’t have time for that
21:30 bag cait for now we’ve abandon that since pazpar2 wasn’t stable with the way we did it
21:30 cait or it's just too much data to include in your catalog
21:30 cait sometimes you can't get the data itself, i liked the idea of that one :)
21:30 cait is there a plan to follow up on the pazpar2 patch ot integrate z39.50 searches?
21:30 bag or do I still have to wait to throw ideas out there - until the next general meeting?
21:29 TGoat Yea, we need elastic search
21:29 bag :D
21:29 bag Also Elastic Search - lets get that in
21:29 bag Starting with integratation of more Econtent into Koha OPAC ;) like gutenburg, overdrive, openlibrary etc etc - make it so that you can ingest all that into the search engine (and not via marc records)
21:28 bag So what am I going to do
21:28 bag Like I want to see the OPAC really take a step forward
21:28 BobB yep
21:27 bag We could throw some thoughts out now
21:27 BobB so, any further thoughts since?
21:27 BobB IDEA: use the next meeting to have more discussion, past and future on the road map
21:26 BobB found it too, no actions, just ideas
21:26 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014
21:25 drojf having it in the wiki, summarizing on the website
21:25 BobB can anyone find the link to last meeting minutes (November)?
21:25 drojf that is all i remember, yes
21:24 cait drojf: ?
21:24 cait not much about the content so far I think
21:24 cait wiki or website, linking them or summarizing
21:24 cait at the first meeting
21:24 cait I think we discussed that the way it could be published mostly
21:24 BobB Can anyone remember where we are up to on this?
21:23 BobB #topic Road Map for Koha
21:22 BobB Changing topic:
21:21 BobB any more on Releases?
21:21 BobB #info afawk, we are on track for next releases on 22 Dec
21:21 BobB #info Security releases of 3.16 and 3.18 have been made; 3.14 was not vulnerable
21:20 BobB ok
21:20 rangi but it wasnt vulnerable
21:20 rangi yes thats fridolin
21:20 BobB And 3.14 is still being maintained?
21:19 rangi (dont get time do those for a security release)
21:19 rangi but will have updated translations
21:19 rangi 3.18.2 wont have much different to 3.18.1
21:19 rangi yep so was 3.16.5
21:19 BobB so rangi 3.18.1 was a Security Release?
21:19 rangi mtj and fridolin have said in email they are releasing on the 22nd
21:19 rangi yep
21:18 cait I speculated the releases were still planned for 22nd :)
21:18 BobB ah ok
21:18 drojf we were about 5 people
21:18 cait none of the RMaints were around
21:18 drojf nope
21:18 BobB there may be info there about the releases
21:18 BobB I haven't read the minutes of today's first meeting ...
21:18 rohdechris #info Chris Rohde, Roseville, CA USA
21:17 BobB ok bag, will come to that
21:17 bag (sorry that is for later)
21:17 bag I just added a section to the wiki page for the meeting “Proposal for fund raising for Koha - to discuss/vote “
21:17 rangi on course for an ontime release of 3.18.2 on the 22nd
21:17 rangi 3.18.x is in string freeze
21:17 rangi i am
21:16 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
21:16 BobB Any Release Maintainers here?
21:16 BobB #topic Update on Releases
21:15 BobB any other announcements?
21:15 BobB cool, thx cait
21:14 cait I think the bug has been integrated now, so voting might no longer be necessary
21:14 * barton scrolls back and finds adgenda wiki link.
21:14 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin
21:14 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions
21:14 BobB any comments?
21:13 BobB #info Please vote up this Library::Callnumber::LC bug which is related to these Koha callnumber symptoms.
21:13 BobB #info This has been added to the agenda:
21:13 BobB #topic Announcements
21:12 BobB hi all, any more?
21:11 rohdechris Chris Rohde, Roseville, USA
21:11 barton #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA
21:11 jmsasse #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek USA
21:11 cbrannon #info Chrisopher Brannon, Coeur d'Alene, ID
21:10 cait #info Katrin Fischer BSZ - might fall asleep
21:10 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia
21:10 edveal #info edveal BWS, USA
21:10 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto BWS, USA
21:10 rangi #info chris c, catalyst, sorta here
21:10 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
21:10 BobB #topic Introductions
21:10 cait right :)
21:09 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014'
21:09 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:09 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 17 21:09:58 2014 UTC. The chair is BobB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:09 BobB #startmeeting General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014
21:09 cait BobB: you need to start the meeting again - with a name after the command
21:09 BobB http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_17_December_2014
21:08 BobB let me find the agenda first ...
21:08 BobB that's for sure
21:08 wahanui i haven't a clue, bobb
21:08 BobB wahanui, want to chair?
21:08 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
21:08 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
21:08 huginn BobB: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
21:08 BobB #startmeeting
21:07 cait BobB: i'd be happy if you would
21:07 cait cbrannon: it's not a typical meeting...
21:07 BobB cait would you like me to chair?
21:07 cbrannon :)
21:07 cbrannon This is fun.
21:07 BobB and is deafened by the silence
21:06 * BobB waits for someone else to volunteer
21:05 BobB :)
21:05 cbrannon This is my first time at a meeting. It won't be me.
21:05 cait could someone else?
21:05 cait i think it's meeting time,but not sure I am awake enough to chair
21:05 * cait waves
21:04 cbrannon hello
21:03 BobB hello
20:26 rangi hmm yeah its odd, unless there is another place other than the facets where its not escaped also
20:25 drojf rangi: hmm the file looks ok to me. i wonder if i am doing something wrong. and what that could be :)
20:25 cait haven't read all the email yet
20:24 cait but thx for testing
20:24 cait ah too bad :(
20:23 drojf cait: the item patch did not work. i did not forget to test :)
20:23 drojf weird
20:22 drojf cait: no, i checked that
20:22 rangi oh and yeah, it will only work on en unless you reinstalled the language ;)
20:21 rangi if you look at the source, can you spot where its unescaped?
20:21 cait just suggesting it because it happened ot me before
20:21 cait german templates?
20:21 rangi weird
20:20 drojf rangi: still get the popup ^^
20:12 rangi :)
20:12 drojf no worries, i am great at breaking things today, doing it with another patch atm :D
20:08 rangi new patch now, sorry for mucking you around
20:05 rangi ahh yeah its in 2 places missed one :(
20:02 rangi ill retry
20:02 rangi dang
20:02 drojf rangi: yes
20:01 rangi drojf: in the staff client eh?
19:59 * druthb is just gonna leave this here for bag: http://i.imgur.com/vm6Dql6.jpg
19:57 pianohacker z39.50 broken in latest master?
19:55 drojf rangi: i applied only the 4th patch and still get the popup
19:37 rangi :)
19:36 * drojf happens in slow motion :D
19:36 drojf rangi: will take a look, but i am slow :)
19:35 rangi ta
19:35 ibeardslee Mike wasn't fibbing about the 'late licence'
19:35 cait 1.5
19:35 cait drojf: i hope i don't get it - feet still frozen
19:35 rangi the second meeting is in 30 mins? or 1.5 hours?
19:34 rangi yeah, there were still quite a few people around then ibeardslee, id stopped drinking, went home about 1
19:33 drojf *second
19:33 ibeardslee 12:08?
19:33 drojf i got an instant cold, might go to bed before the seconc part of the meeting :/
19:32 drojf hi rangi and cait
19:30 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/545173757837324289
19:29 rangi we were under shelter
19:29 cait but it didn't look as wet as the christmas market :)
19:29 rangi it rained here last night too for our xmas party
19:28 rangi fair enough ;)
19:28 cait iwill try, but i think i have to find the warm socks first
19:28 rangi its a tiny little one, but it will finish that one off
19:28 cait oh
19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13425 is not accessible.
19:28 cait bug 13425
19:28 rangi can you take a look at the last patch on 13425 if you have a minute or 2
19:28 rangi yep
19:28 wahanui niihau, cait
19:28 cait and hello
19:28 cait do you?
19:27 rangi do i have a job for you guys :)
19:27 cait a christmas market in heavy rain just doesn't feel right
19:27 rangi hi cait and drojf
19:11 rangi and back again
17:42 * rangi wanders off to feed kids
17:41 rangi ashimema can you take a look at the last patch on 13425 if you have a minute or 2
17:38 gaetan_B bye
14:30 cait debugging_xslt--
14:30 * cait waves
14:17 ashimema 22nd is fast approaching :s
14:17 ashimema I think there's a few peeps out here hoping to see some master pushes ;)
14:17 ashimema coolios :)
14:17 tcohen after that, the sprog and Koha
14:16 tcohen i have my last work-related stuff in 30 minutes
14:16 ashimema hows the sprog
14:16 wahanui hola, tcohen
14:16 tcohen hi
14:16 ashimema :)
14:16 ashimema tcohen.. your alive..
14:09 cait wb tcohen
13:53 eth0_ Not a bug it's a feature
13:52 eth0_ z3950 = Hell for sysadmin
13:51 jcamins And never pleasantly.
13:50 eth0_ Hum… ok, i'll be always suprised with z3950
13:50 jcamins Yeah.
13:49 eth0_ ok so client needs to autenticate then open the connection then form xml in order to have a reply
13:49 jcamins There might be a way to change the defaults for yaz using a configuration file, but I've never tried.
13:48 jcamins That's a client-side setting.
13:48 jcamins Ah. No.
13:48 eth0_ Is this settings saved if i restart the daemon ?
13:48 jcamins eth0_: what do you mean?
13:42 eth0_ jcamins: Thanks :), How can i save this tips in config
13:41 eth0_ Oh! it works
13:41 eth0_ Could you be a little bit more verbose please ?
13:40 jcamins el [something]
13:40 jcamins eth0_: you need to do: form xml
13:40 jcamins eth0_: a sense of history.
13:35 eth0_ Anyway…
13:35 eth0_ I really don't know why people still using that
13:35 eth0_ OPDS is a lil' bit greeter :)
13:34 eth0_ Seriously… z3950/iso2907/marc21/unimarc is totally bullshit
13:33 cait ah
13:33 cait i've only used yaz once i think - i don't really remember :(
13:33 eth0_ And i've only this error with unimarc
13:33 cait not sure then, sorry
13:33 eth0_ i've also tried multiples init/update/commit
13:33 eth0_ I've already tried that
13:32 eth0_ cait: do you mean "format umarc/unimarc"
13:10 eth0_ I've 2 zebrasrv (marc21 & unimarc) i've this problem only with unimarc
13:08 cait there might be some notes on the wiki about yaz... not sure
13:08 cait i think maybe you need to tell yaz your expected return format
13:04 wahanui Any ideas are welcome :)
13:04 eth0_ Any ideas ?
13:04 eth0_ Hi all, i can succesfully auth and open connection with yaz-client, i can find keyword too but when i'm make a "show 1" i have a [238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo ''
12:57 tcohen hi cait
12:56 cait :)
12:56 cait hi tcohen
12:56 tcohen morning...
12:50 nlegrand hey #koha
10:50 drojf gotta run. see you #koha
10:50 * thd runs off to finish some work while he is still awake.
10:49 thd s/1.47 am here/2.47 am here/
10:49 cait hmpf :)
10:48 drojf cait: (if you remind me:)
10:47 drojf cait: not now, leaving to get some things done. but i can tonight
10:47 thd I have tried to attend all the meetings in all the time zones.
10:47 thd drojf: Sadly, I am liable to be otherwise engaged at the time.
10:46 cait drojf: could you test Joubu's patch for the item bug maybe? :)
10:46 thd drojf: Good night jransom 1.47 am here
10:46 drojf thd: i will bring up the issue at the second part of the meeting if i am around
10:46 cait bye jransom
10:46 drojf bye jransom
10:46 jransom ok folks; nearly midnight here. im off to bed.
10:45 thd drojf: We should not want to create controversy in other meeting by scaring people into attending for some artificially created important reason.
10:44 thd drojf: We certainly need important issues to sustain development meetings.
10:44 drojf then we need more important issues :P
10:43 thd drojf: However, we have not been able to find one time which everyone would attend unless the issue on the agenda was of especially great importance to enough people.
10:43 drojf alright, then we agree :)
10:42 thd drojf: Two times does not work as well as one time which everyone would attend.
10:41 thd drojf: Yes, I think that we should exclude unpopular times for regulars because missing the unpopular times seemed to lead to a general disinterest in the meetings.
10:40 drojf but do you think it works well?
10:40 thd drojf: gmcharlt had introduced two meeting times in a day as an alternative.
10:39 drojf so that would be a good time to drop and keep the other two times alternating between meetings, i suppose
10:39 thd drojf: The continuity of meetings thus became disjoint as nothing could really happen at one out of three meetings.
10:38 thd drojf: 02.00 UTC was mostly unattended when people in California and British Columbia were uninterested in attending which was most of the time.
10:37 drojf i mean, there would always be the option of joining irc at any time you like and bring it up if it is a problem, but that is probably not something a new person would do.
10:37 drojf or, did we have any that could not join at the other times?
10:36 drojf but did we have a lot of regulars at 2utc?
10:36 thd drojf: Encouraging attendance from every time zone could be a fine taks for the Koha communications manager.
10:35 thd drojf: The trouble is that the new people would never appear at times such as 02.00 UTC which were too early for Europe and Africa and too late for most of the Americas.
10:35 drojf at least for europe i can say that this right now is a very good time during business hours. but it is only a good time if you want to join during business hours. which apparently most of france, norway, the netherlands did not want for some reason today :) for me the second meeting at 10pm is also an option, that may not be an option for others because its way after work. time zone alone does not say everything
10:33 drojf (that may come from a different time zone/have a different time frame availabe)
10:33 drojf maybe we could get some kind of time frame at least for regulars to see what would be options that are actually frequented. but that does of course not help with new people being interested
10:31 thd drojf: Do you have any thoughts on alternating signle meeting times which avoid almost no attendance for choosing a poor time for anyone currently interested?
10:30 drojf i mean, maybe we need only 2 zones because the third one is hardly used
10:30 drojf that was badly worded
10:30 jransom at least moving it round shares the pain
10:30 drojf we had only 2 options for the meetings now. based on something, i suppose. so maybe 2 times that are switched from meeting to meeting would work better
10:29 jransom its impossible to please everyone; its the way it goes in a global project I guess
10:29 thd s/weeker/weaker/
10:28 thd drojf: Agreed, a split discussion is a weeker discussion.
10:28 drojf i would like to rethink the 3 zones
10:28 thd The problem with rotating the clock is that about one third of the meetings would have almost no attendance because the favoured time zones one third of the time did not have people who were inclined to participate.
10:27 drojf thd: sure, but if disussion is involved, it does not really work well. i don't see a problem if we just want to vote things that have been discussed
10:26 thd drojf: I had thought that each meeting would take decisions but that there has never been a significantly conflicting decision to cause a problem.
10:26 cait I will be around second part most likely - i will try to bring it up
10:26 drojf or, don't. but the first meeting seems to be less important
10:25 drojf for me it is now like "join the first meeting, agree on nothing because wait for the second meeting, join that too"
10:25 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_general_irc_meeting__part1.2014-12-17-09.16.log.html
10:25 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_general_irc_meeting__part1.2014-12-17-09.16.txt
10:25 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_general_irc_meeting__part1.2014-12-17-09.16.html
10:25 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 10:25:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
10:25 cait #endmeeting
10:25 cait #info leaving setting date and time to second part of the meeting
10:25 thd Nor is it a great time presently for the US in general.
10:24 jransom the fundraising idea is being discussed via email.
10:24 cait there is always one meeting with only very few attendees
10:24 cait I have a feeling too that the experiment has not been successful
10:24 drojf about splitting the meeting, i think we get more out of one meeting followed by mailing list discussions if necessary than with two seperate parts of one meeting
10:24 cait jransom: i think probably the second meeting - but it would have been good to add to the agenda - guess we forgot
10:24 thd However, it is not a great time for California.
10:23 thd I am in California at the moment.
10:23 cait but i think maybe the time is bad for california/bag?
10:23 drojf sorry :))
10:23 drojf ah
10:23 cait drojf: jo did :)
10:23 drojf nobody showed up
10:23 thd Presumably the second part would be more interested in a later time.
10:22 cait jransom: it hasn't been on the agenda - not sure about the state
10:22 drojf jransom: nope
10:22 jransom has the koha fundraising idea been discussed at all?
10:22 cait #idea go back to 1 meeting instead of 2
10:22 drojf this split does not really seem to work well
10:22 cait that ok?
10:22 drojf i'd vote for only one date
10:22 cait as we have only very small attendance today
10:22 cait I thik maybe we shoudl leave that to the second part
10:21 cait #topic Set date and time for next meeting
10:21 cait anything else?
10:20 cait and i think BobB emailed the list about the roles, but as said earlier we need to bring that up again
10:20 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
10:20 cait @later tell wizzyrea can you update http://koha-community.org/kohacon/ please to list Nigeria as upcoming? thx!
10:19 cait #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/
10:19 cait #info the community website has been updated with information about kohacon15
10:19 ashimema just so thd has some of my own background
10:18 ashimema I did allot fo the work on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page back in the day.. and that wiki is now happily self sustaining... I also install, maintian and train mediaiwki for a series of customers..
10:18 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014
10:18 cait the correct link to the last meeting:
10:18 cait hm i think we have an old link on the wiki, one sec
10:17 ashimema I'll add more thoughts on the wiki propositions to the discussion page rather than pollute further here
10:17 jransom #info jransom
10:17 cait #topic Actions from the last meeting
10:17 cait i will move on
10:17 cait I think today there is noone fromt he organisers around -maybe it's a bad time
10:16 cait you can add #info in front, then it will show up in the meeting minutes
10:16 cait quite late for you!
10:16 cait hi jo :)
10:16 jransom hi all. (jo ransom, hlt - nz)
10:16 cait #topic KohaCon15
10:15 cait #agreed bring up the communication manager role on the mailing list again
10:14 thd +1
10:14 drojf for the mailing list
10:14 drojf +1
10:14 cait I think maybe this would be better to bring up to the mailing list agan
10:13 thd However, no one has stepped forward for any definition.
10:13 cait yes, that might be the problem
10:13 thd I am not certain that the scope of communications manager has been well defined.
10:12 cait to my information noone has stepped up yet willing to fill the role
10:12 cait #topic Communication manager
10:12 cait as we run out of time a bit, I'd like to move on more quickly now
10:12 ashimema reading up
10:11 ashimema I'm back..
10:11 ashimema right..
10:11 cait hope that will make sense to the meeting later
10:11 cait #agreed Curating the wiki content should be a multi-people approach
10:11 Joubu +1
10:11 thd +1
10:11 drojf +1
10:11 cait +1
10:11 cait can i get a quick indication if that is right?
10:11 drojf i'd agree to that
10:10 cait I am not sure how to proceed - i think what i see is a general agreement that curating is a multi-people thing?
10:10 thd I had concentrated on the backend and trying to avoid orphan pages.
10:09 thd Maintenance has a very broad scope.
10:09 cait (if that works as an english word :) )
10:09 cait and we also have people with different areas of expertise
10:08 drojf (contents accuracy)
10:08 thd +1
10:08 cait I think i'd leave the role open to everyone who wants to contribute
10:08 thd There is a list in the candidates page but others should be free to join.
10:08 drojf i don't think it is possible for one person to maintain the whole wiki (speaking of accuracy contents) in their spare time
10:07 thd There have defacto been multiple wiki maintainers working simultaneously.
10:07 paxed ^ hide the patron image if there is no image set
10:07 paxed li#patronbasics img[src$="blank.png"] { display: none !important; }
10:07 cait or is this also about the technical side/server access?
10:07 cait so the question is if we will have more than one wiki curator for the content?
10:06 thd I favour that concept which has certainly contributed to and not lessoned the level of maintenance.
10:06 thd We should at least consider in this part whether the more the merrier bug wrangler concept applies.
10:05 cait maybe the wiki?
10:05 cait hm ok
10:05 thd I will not be around for the second part.
10:05 wahanui certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing ashimema's attention to it.
10:05 thd Certainly.
10:04 cait I'd like to give the second part of the meeting the chance to contribute to this before we vote
10:04 thd At the time, it was a tit-for-tat response over starting an independent bugzilla instance.
10:03 thd I had created a good tutorial for DokuWiki and was taken aback when it all went down.
10:02 cait and in a searchable way
10:02 cait like a note on how to add something to mark it 'outdated' most effectively
10:02 cait i think a 'how to' with hints on how to use the features might be good
10:02 drojf is that possible at the moment? (tagging it outdated)
10:02 thd Some Wikipedia editors have a habbit of deleting pages which I think is a bad idea for a library software. We should preserve it but mark it.
10:00 thd drojf: We should tag the content as outdated but then encourage people to update it.
10:00 drojf i can't pass a link to a library that wants to switch to dom, because the information on the wiki is not accurate
09:59 drojf personally i am more concerned with outdated contents than categorisation at the moment
09:59 cait but that's content we need to fix and maintain
09:59 thd cait: There was meant to be a question and a vote but the issue became somewhat moot when PTFS/LibLime took down the DokuWiki implementation.
09:59 cait and some rfcs are not marked, although they won't be implemented or have never implemented in the way written up on the wiki
09:59 cait i think the problem here is maintenance, as those don't get updated, so the categories are not correct
09:58 thd Categories allow finding RFCs for what people are working on, etc. in a systematic manner.
09:58 cait thd: i think we are using mediawiki for the koha project - noone questions that
09:57 drojf i don't think i am the regular wiki user. also i have bookmarked most of the stuff i use often ;)
09:57 cait I can only speak for myself, but i use the search feature too :)
09:57 thd MediaWiki is a larger and necessarily more complex project as it has to support whatever people want for Wikipedia.
09:56 drojf thd: i don't want to imply it is not needed! not at all. i just wonder if there are statistics. i have no idea what other people do :)
09:56 cait i personally prefer dokuwiki as we are using that here - but that doesn't mean i would want to propose a change .)
09:56 thd drojf: Google has brainwashed you into thinking that libraries and curation are unnecessary when you have full text indexing :)
09:55 cait I didn't mean to question the mediawiki choice at all
09:55 cait that's all right
09:55 thd s/LibLime/PTFS\/LibLime/
09:54 drojf do we have usage statistics for the wiki? like, how people actually use it? maybe it's just me, but i hardly ever use anything but the search function
09:54 thd The choice of wiki software was meant to be a contest. However, LibLime took down the earlier DokuWiki wiki which had held most all of the content at the time.
09:53 thd I also pushed for MediaWiki over DokuWiki.
09:52 thd Most of my work on the former wiki is sadly lost.
09:52 thd I had taken it on in the past.
09:52 cait i hop this didn't come across too negative - I appreciate that you want to take this on and hope we can have some discussion on how without being discourating
09:52 thd The only rule that might be enforced is assigning at least one category to a newly created page to keep it from becoming lost.
09:50 thd They were never rules.
09:50 cait I think we should not create too many rules/barriers
09:50 thd s/did/had created/
09:50 thd The wiki should have content linked from the front page explaining good use and its advantages as I did for the former wiki before we lost that to PTFS/LibLime trouble.
09:49 cait more important than funding or anything else I think
09:49 cait time is the single resource we never have enough of
09:49 cait I think the idea we propose is mostly making this more easy in the future
09:48 thd That is significantly my fault but I know how to remedy the situation.
09:48 thd Mostly, maintenance has been neglected.
09:47 cait I think there are some valid concerns here - maybe we should gather some more info and try to rethink this together?
09:47 ashimema sorry
09:47 ashimema dropping out again for a bit.
09:47 ashimema ack.. my other call is getting busy..
09:47 thd Yes, a burden is added to the user when creating a new page. However, every later user of the page benefits from the initial effort.
09:45 thd The "cumbersome" category extensions make content findable in a systematic manner.
09:45 cait thd: i know - just using it as an example. We encourage people to not change koha in ways that hinder update, but we seem to do just that with our wiki
09:45 thd The problems that had is with no authority control over suggesting categories most content had no categories and could not be found systematically.
09:44 cait #idea add information about installed plugins, changes to standard wiki to the wiki
09:44 thd We had previously used DokuWiki.
09:43 cait we culd put the information there
09:43 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org
09:43 thd gmcharlt, might need to facilitate some access as it is hosted at Equinox.
09:43 drojf not being familiar with the technical aspects of our wiki, what customisations are we talking about?
09:42 ashimema that's not public knolledge as far asI'm aware
09:42 thd Thus, anyone could test.
09:42 cait I am helping to maintain our dokuwiki here - and moving away from our customizations have helped a lot to increace maintainability
09:42 thd The implementation is under git version control for which anyone can obtain a copy.
09:42 ashimema I'm not against you here thd.. but I think we have very differeing opinions which could do with someexternal thoughts going forward
09:41 cait I think that's where being closer to a standard version could help us - making updates easier
09:41 ashimema I would prefer this convesation took place with more parties..
09:41 ashimema hense planning and testing is prevented..
09:41 thd We did that once without planning and testing and then I had to spend some days fixing things.
09:41 ashimema they are prevented.. as they're in the hands of one or two people with no time..
09:40 ashimema removing the ability to add categories in the markup is a step backwards
09:40 thd Upgrades are not prevented. Upgrades require planning and testing.
09:40 ashimema and then choose a elected set to use
09:40 ashimema personally.. I would remove all the category extensions..
09:39 ashimema which is one of the issues preventing easy upgrades
09:39 thd ashimena: Some work together with dependencies.
09:39 ashimema We're using postgres, which isn't well supported by mediaiwiki or it's extensions either..
09:39 ashimema that make adding/editing the wiki plain hard.
09:38 ashimema we have like 6 category based extentions..
09:38 thd The problem with updating is that it breaks things unless planned carefully.
09:38 cait I think while some of them are generally useful, we might not make use of them
09:38 thd I suspect that most people want more extensions.
09:37 thd Do we actually have many extensions?
09:37 cait #info a discussion has been started on the wiki - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth
09:37 thd We have very good backups in version control.
09:37 ashimema I also tend to feel we're over complicating the wiki.. I've been wanting to nuke half the extensions for a long time now
09:36 ashimema .24 in fact
09:36 cait maybe it's worth taking the chance to simplify our setup a bit
09:36 ashimema we are at .16.. mediawiki was at .22 last I looked
09:36 cait I tend to agree, I am worried about missing security updates etc. it seems we already fell behind quite a bit
09:35 ashimema http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth
09:35 thd checking
09:35 ashimema I'de rather a more open procedure for chsooing extensions etc..
09:35 cait thd: do you have a link or can repost?
09:35 thd I posted a list of candidates for holding the position collectively for the previous meeting.
09:35 ashimema I've expressed my thoughts on the curator proposal discussion page.
09:34 ashimema ++
09:34 cait agreed
09:34 thd A summary even from linked wiki pages might be created from a script but the effort is probably better applied to creating and maintaing useful content in the wiki.
09:34 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth
09:34 cait #topic Election: wiki curator
09:34 cait I will switch to the next topic
09:33 cait are we ok?
09:33 cait #idea use a link and leave content on the wiki
09:32 ashimema but a link is deffo suffice for the start
09:31 ashimema grabbing links and trasnforming them into title for instance.
09:31 cait i think maybe a link to the wiki is all we need
09:31 ashimema I've done things like that before..
09:31 ashimema yup.. hence there would need to be a small amount of manipulation website side..
09:30 thd ashimena: Certainly, however, the useful content for a summary from the wiki is liable to be multiple linked pages which may be different from the preferred presentation of a summary on the website.
09:30 cait anything else?
09:29 cait #idea pull the data for the website out of the wiki
09:29 ashimema I'de maintain in the wikie and pull data from it on the website if it were me
09:29 ashimema wiki's can export to html given the right tools..
09:28 thd However, if anyone wants to maintain a summary on website, great.
09:28 cait #idea use the wiki, point from the website to the wiki - easier to keep updated
09:28 ashimema agreed
09:28 thd I think it would be better to point a roadmap page on the website to some suitable set of linked pages in the wiki.
09:28 cait as we are not so many people... maybe we can postpone deeper discussion to the second part today?
09:28 ashimema wiki++
09:27 ashimema hoepfully will be around
09:27 cait yeah, I think the wiki will be a good place
09:27 thd Maintaining a summary on the website would be a greater task and would necessarily be out of date.
09:26 thd A roadmap of arbitrary depth and detail could be maintained easily in the wiki.
09:26 cait tonight/today
09:26 drojf i will probably
09:26 cait will people around now be able to make it to the second meeting tonight?
09:26 cait and update the status of them regularly
09:25 cait yeah i think general goals are good to write up
09:25 ashimema also happy to be not time baed.. just a sort of project directional aid
09:25 cait or the review bit for 3.18?
09:25 cait I think the goal was to discuss more about the contents this time
09:25 ashimema I like the idea of a Roadmap..
09:24 cait #topic Discussion: Road Map for Koha
09:24 cait release_maintainers++
09:24 cait and we had an unscheduled security release
09:23 ashimema we can only hope ;)
09:23 cait from the info i have the releases are still scheduled to happen on 22nd
09:22 cait any release maintainers awake and around?
09:22 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
09:22 cait #topic Update on releases
09:22 cait but it seems you need to be registered
09:22 cait i think it's no longer necessary now
09:22 drojf ah it's done already \o/
09:22 drojf i assume voting up that bug requires a google account
09:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10821 major, P1 - high, ---, cnighswonger, CLOSED WONTFIX, label pdf adding in strange breaking
09:21 cait #info bug 10821: For all interested parties, the fix for this has been applied in Library::Callnumber::LC
09:21 cait #link agenda http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_17_December_2014
09:20 cait but i think the issue has been resolved since
09:20 drojf oh we could have tried this as a video conference to test my webinar server ;)
09:20 cait I can see a note from chris_n on the wiki
09:19 cait #topic Announcements
09:19 cait I think ashimema will probably be back once i change topic :)
09:19 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
09:18 cait ah, maybe not then :)
09:18 cait we could hold the meeting in german
09:18 drojf that's a small meeting :D
09:18 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - via California for the next 10 days
09:17 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
09:17 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin
09:17 cait please introduce yourself with #info
09:17 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
09:17 cait #topic introductions
09:17 cait forgot the time a bit
09:17 cait sorry for the dealy, i was doing some tricky sql updates (end of year things in acq)
09:16 drojf ha you have not started^^
09:16 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting__part1'
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09:16 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 17 09:16:54 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
09:16 cait #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, part1
09:16 drojf oops where did the time go
09:16 cait ok, so let's try this
09:16 ashimema anyone else about.?
09:16 ashimema but I'm about and will be watching adn commenting when my brain allows it.
09:16 * cait jumps up and down and waves her arms
09:16 ashimema I'll be multi-tasking as I have two meetings at once going on here..
09:15 cait meeting now?
09:15 ashimema hello
09:15 cait someone here?
09:14 cait should we start now belated?
09:14 cait we have a meeting
09:14 cait sorry yes
09:07 thd Is this the wrong hour at the wrong time of year for people to be on #koha for a meeting?
09:02 thd Is there a meeting now or should I be asleep?
08:47 sachin thats fine @cait
08:47 sachin sql/reindex ? can anyone guide
08:45 cait sorry sachin, i have something time critical to do right now
08:43 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 2.1°C (9:40 AM CET on December 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:43 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:39 sachin as manually it would be tough
08:39 sachin sql/reindex ? could u guide
08:38 cait or import them with an empty barcode and then try to update via sql/reindex or manually.
08:38 cait i think you would have to set the barcode pre-upload
08:38 sachin so how will i be able to upload so many books without barcode
08:37 cait that it's not possible
08:36 sachin means
08:35 cait sachin: it's probably nto implemented to do that
08:34 sachin we are not able to generate auto barcode when uploding via marc file
08:34 sachin need help in autobarcode generation
08:27 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B
08:27 gaetan_B hello
08:15 ashimema thanks Joubu
08:14 shalom all right :)
08:14 drojf no in 45 minutes
08:13 shalom Has the meeting started?
08:11 drojf how come both times are ok for europe? does that work for everybody else?
08:11 drojf oh there is a meeting today?
08:02 Joubu and hello :)
08:01 Joubu ashimema: http://splitter.koha-community.org/ ?
07:54 ashimema_ I can't remember the URL and can't find a link to it anywhere.
07:54 ashimema_ can anyone direct me at joubu bugzilla patch analysing tool?
07:47 drojf good morning #koha
07:46 alex_a bonjour
07:41 reiveune hello
07:22 ashimema_ anywho.. breakfast time for me
07:22 ashimema_ I have a fair few bugs in my queue that I'de like to see in that release and am wondering how to help move them forward..
07:22 ashimema_ that's the one I was talking about :)
07:20 mtj ah right... afaik, a dec 22nd release is happening for all branches
07:12 ashimema_ being a rushed in security release... or at least that's what I thought was meant to happen ;)
07:12 ashimema_ (in my mind the current 3.18.01 should probably have been 3.18.00.001)
07:11 ashimema_ I meant 3.18.02 in that case.
07:11 ashimema_ indeed..
07:10 mtj ..was released on dec 10th
07:09 mtj ashimema_: http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-01-security-release/
06:30 ashimema_ silly question.. anyone know if 3.18.01 is on track.. i've not seen any news on it yet.
06:30 cait morning ashimema :)
06:30 ashimema_ morning #koha
04:51 wahanui hidden is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hidden_values
04:51 dcook hidden?
04:32 dcook I suppose I should start baking!
04:31 wizzyrea cookies usually works.
03:18 * dcook needs to learn how to butter up the QA team now..
03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13469 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Unapi path to XSLTs is wrong in OPAC
03:17 dcook bug 13469 - simple patch but a bit of work to test
03:17 dcook one is a bit annoying to test unless a person is willing to do a non-git install too
03:16 * dcook should take a look
03:16 dcook Ooo
03:08 wizzyrea or simple bugs.
03:08 wizzyrea So. Who has simple patches that I can pass on to a blossoming kohacker?
02:45 dcook There. That should beat going into 3.8 every time I need to figure out what an integer means..
02:45 wahanui rumour has it hidden is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hidden_values
02:45 dcook hidden?
02:45 dcook hidden is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hidden_values
02:40 dcook hidden?
02:40 wahanui dcook: I forgot hidden
02:40 dcook forget hidden
02:40 dcook Dang... thought that might happen
02:40 wahanui hidden is http://paste.koha-community.org/295
02:40 dcook hidden?
02:10 jcamins However, I figured it out.
02:09 jcamins dcook: unfortunately, it was nothing sufficiently obvious for me to spot it when I was testing.
02:08 dcook 3.16.x certainly seems to be having issues :(
02:02 * jcamins is regretting having a 3.16.x server.
02:01 * dcook doesn't have any 3.16+ servers atm
01:59 jcamins Does anyone around have a 3.16+ server with a subscription that works?
01:45 jcamins NYTProf results: GetSubscriptionFrequency is getting called 20k times when viewing a serial.
01:44 jcamins Huh. This is weird.
01:28 dcook Poor mascot :(
01:27 dcook I make a FB post about measuring twice and cutting once, and now Youtube is showing my carpentry ads.
01:27 dcook Hmm, that was creepy.
01:21 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXMAjFgK_R8
01:21 rangi working with marc records
01:21 rangi i call this
01:17 rangi e
01:17 rangi that sounds plausibl
01:08 eythian it's probalby the parsing of the MARC that's the expensive bit, timewise.
01:05 Pabloab 1.1 seconds/record ... I'll try next with a ramdisk
01:04 rangi no worries
01:04 Pabloab Thanks a lot rangi, eythian!
00:47 wahanui okay, dcook.
00:47 dcook efficiency is also http://xkcd.com/1445/
00:47 wahanui efficiency is really important for anything circ related
00:47 dcook efficiency?
00:47 dcook hehe
00:45 rangi :)
00:45 Pabloab http://xkcd.com/1445/ Probably :P Okey, I'll do the nasty way, now that you say so I feel better :)
00:44 dcook Ooo
00:43 rangi http://www.infoworld.com/article/2860082/open-source-software/googles-odf-gift-surprise.html
00:41 * dcook is guilty of trying to over-optimise things from time to time :/
00:41 dcook I was just going to look if that quote was already there :p
00:41 wahanui OK, eythian.
00:41 eythian wahanui: optimisation is <reply>Rule 1: don't optimise. Rule 2: (for experts only) don't optimise yet.
00:40 dcook hehe
00:39 rangi :)
00:38 eythian you've probably spent more time trying to work out the fastest way than it would take between the best and worst ways :)
00:38 eythian you can do that, but I expect it'll make little difference.
00:37 Pabloab I was trying to rescan the files but without reopening, just something like seek $fh, 0, 0 as rangi told. Maybe I have no choice.
00:35 eythian If everything can stay in memory, then put them there, if not, you're stuck with reopening.
00:34 eythian You can either store everything on the first pass, or you can re-scan the files.
00:34 Pabloab (yes, I notice my English is awful.. certainly always too late :/)
00:34 eythian well, your tradeoff is necessarily memory or processing.
00:33 Pabloab foreach record on a $batch1 I need to roll over $batch2, $batch3... I suspect if I open files from batch2, 3, n on every batch1 loop I will add a lot of overhead... Im I wrong?
00:30 eythian Pabloab: why do you need to not open it again?
00:29 Pabloab Can't use an undefined value as a symbol reference at ... I'm looking for a concatenation issue
00:28 Pabloab Not so humid and hot as some days ago :)
00:23 rangi btw how is buenos aires today ? :)
00:23 rangi you could try that in your script see if it works
00:23 rangi seek $batch->{file}->{fh}, 0, 0;
00:22 rangi so in theory
00:19 rangi seek $fh, 0, 0;
00:19 rangi you could use seek
00:19 rangi in theory
00:17 rangi its just a plain old filehandle under the hood
00:17 rangi $fh = eval { local *FH; open( FH, '<', $arg ) or die; *FH{IO}; };
00:16 rangi unfortunately I don't think there is one
00:14 Pabloab Yes. I'm trying to find a workaround to avoid doing that
00:13 rangi so you'd have to write a start method if you wanted to use it
00:12 rangi which uses MARC::File
00:11 rangi in the back
00:11 rangi it uses MARC::File::USMARC
00:09 rangi you'd probably have to implement that method yourself then
00:02 Pabloab Exactly, but to import into Koha next!
00:01 rangi this is outside of Koha right, just using MARC::Batch
00:01 rangi right
00:01 Pabloab Sorry, I mean $record = $batch->first(), or start()