Time Nick Message 00:00 rangi @later tell cait added now 00:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 01:47 mtj hi #koha 01:48 mtj rangi or gmcharlt about? 01:48 rangi yep, email me your key please mtj 01:49 mtj hiya, 1 tic.. :) 01:49 rangi whichever one you want to use to scp to download.koha-community.org 01:55 mtj yep, same one - i think.. 01:56 rangi 2 secs 02:00 rangi can you try ssh mtj@bugs.koha-community.org 02:01 mtj rangi: works ok :) 02:01 mtj thanks :p 02:03 rangi right the scp instructions on the release maintenance page should work now 02:11 mtj cool, all instructions work 02:13 mtj eythian, we might still need a newly built .deb, for 3.16.5 02:13 eythian you can't release the same thing twice under two version numbers, it's against the law 02:14 eythian err 02:14 eythian the other way around 02:14 eythian different things under the same version number 02:14 mtj hmm, ok 02:14 eythian for package mishaps I've added an additional .1 on the end 02:15 rangi yeah that'd work 02:15 mtj yep, ok 02:23 mtj the 3.16.5 tar files are now uploaded 02:24 mtj eythian, rangi - shall i hold off on my ML email, until the new packages are uploaded? 02:24 eythian mtj: what is the purpose of the new package? 02:24 eythian also, you can't call them 3.16.5 02:25 mtj it has the 2nd part of the XSS patch 02:26 mtj hmm, ok - i'll rename my tar files 02:27 mtj tho, im not sure what the naming rule for that would be?! 02:28 mtj koha-3.16.05.tar.gz -> koha-3.16.05-1.tar.gz 02:28 mtj koha-3.16.05.tar.gz -> koha-3.16.05.1.tar.gz 02:28 mtj ok, lets go with that ^ :) 02:29 eythian yeah 02:29 eythian no - 02:29 eythian that'd be bad 02:29 eythian and inconsistent 02:29 mtj ok, so a 3.16.6 release then 02:29 mtj only other option, afaik 02:30 eythian you can use . 02:30 eythian just not - 02:30 eythian so .1 is fine, -1 is not 02:30 mtj yep , ok :) 02:31 mtj koha-3.16.05.1.tar.gz it is 02:38 mtj hmm, just thinking... i should really be refering to this, as a new release 02:39 rangi you didnt do the release notes for 3.16.5 yet eh? 02:40 rangi on the website or mailing list eh? 02:40 mtj website release is done 02:40 rangi ahh yeah, then will need to be a new one 02:41 mtj eythain emailed the list about 3.16.5 packages being uploaded 02:41 mtj .. so the release is in a weird 'between' state 02:41 rangi *nod* best to do it as a new announcement, we missed one patch, so there is a new one 02:41 rangi etc 02:42 mtj a new release, with a new number 02:42 eythian it's up to you if it has a new number. 02:42 eythian Personally I wouldn't, but there's arguments both ways 02:43 eythian and really, it's not hugely important 02:43 rangi the .1 is fine, its just important people know that its the version they should be running 02:43 rangi what its called is less important than getting that message across :) 02:43 eythian (well, by that I still mean that it should not be the same as the current one) 02:43 rangi *nod* 02:43 eythian otherwise we can never know which 3.16.05 someone is on. 02:44 mtj yep, i agree 03:03 mtj website, tars and ML all done 03:04 rangi cool 03:08 mtj got there in the end :) 03:08 rangi we probably should file cve for them too, and mark them fixed 03:09 mtj hmm, nice idea 03:09 rangi @later tell gmcharlt can you remind me how you did the cve last time? 03:09 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 04:08 eythian anyone notice that the final page in the web installer says "if you're not redirected in 5 seconds, click here", but the meta-refresh is set to 10 seconds... 04:10 eythian the 2-second javascript code doesn't seem to work. 05:11 eythian mtj: is there a tag for the release? I can't see it. 05:12 mtj hey eythian 05:13 mtj hmm, lemme fix that 05:13 eythian I also didn't notice an update to 3.16.x, but I may have just missed that 05:15 eythian I think I just missed that, it was a few days ago 05:16 mtj afaict, 3.16.x's HEAD is at the correct commit 05:16 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.16.x 05:16 eythian yeah, I think that's the case 05:16 eythian OK, I'll just base the package from that 05:16 mtj its just (currently) got the wrong/old tag 05:17 eythian make a new tag with v3.16.05.1, it'll be less confusing/bad than changing a tag 05:25 mtj hum, so ive tidied the tags eythian.. 05:25 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.16.x 05:26 eythian cool 05:26 mtj i should add the 3.16.5.1 release notes too 05:30 mtj thanks for sorting this for me eythian 05:30 eythian np 05:31 eythian packages nearly built 05:32 eythian morning cait 05:34 eythian 3.16.05.1 uploading 05:35 eythian uploaded. 05:47 cait morning eythian 05:47 cait how was your event today? 05:48 eythian it was good 05:48 eythian got some people doing some basic things 05:54 eythian cait: I'm catching up to you on duolinguo, albeit slowly :) 05:54 cait i saw a patch somewhere 05:54 cait yeah i took a break after argentina :) 05:57 eythian heh 06:00 eythian you're the only person ahead of me in my list at the moment 06:00 cait :) 06:04 eythian bye all 06:04 * eythian & 06:04 cait bye eythian 06:16 drojf good morning #koha 06:17 cait morning drojf 06:17 drojf hi cait :) 06:20 * dcook waves absently 06:25 drojf hi dcook 06:28 drojf dcook: any news about the oai-pmh harvesting client? :) 06:32 dcook That's... a good question :) 06:32 dcook I was working on it 06:32 dcook Then I started doing DBIC stuff as it would've made it easier to work on 06:32 dcook But then I got really frustrated with how DBIC::Schema::Loader doesn't accurately reflect the database 06:32 dcook So I stopped working on DBIC stuff 06:32 dcook And... I've been side-tracked with other projects since then :) 06:33 dcook drojf: It is on my list of things to do though. I have about 0 holidays coming my way, so hopefully it'll be quiet enough over Christmas for me to do some work on it. 06:34 drojf that's… good. in a way ^^ i'd prefer you get some holiday though 06:34 dcook Well, I might have one day off, so I might be able to get off the Friday 06:34 dcook So.. wed, thurs, friday, saturday, sunday 06:35 dcook That'd be an all right holiday 06:35 dcook We're having friends and family at ours this year, so I'll need a little holiday after the holiday :p 06:35 drojf :D 06:35 dcook drojf: You have interset in the harvesting client? 06:35 drojf yep. no real use case so far, but i'd like to play with dspace and koha 06:37 * cait waves at dcook 06:38 dcook heya cait 06:38 dcook drojf: Sweet :) 06:38 dcook We do a fair bit of DSpace and Koha, so I'll probably be playing around with that too at some point 06:38 dcook We do everything right now with custom scripts, but I think that's a bit sub-optimal 06:39 dcook I'll be looking at writing up a XSLT for Dspace to convert DIM to MARC, I think 06:39 dcook Although I have a million things I'd love to do, so you never know :p 06:39 drojf heh i know that problem 06:41 dcook hehe 06:41 dcook At the moment, I'm trying to use Chef to set up an Amazon EC2 instance so that it would be ready for Koha (without necessarily installing Koha) 06:41 dcook Works pretty well thanks to eythian (and probably liw) setting up the koha-deps and koha-perldeps packages on the community repo 06:42 dcook Anywho, I should get going 06:42 dcook Wife is late getting home thanks to the hostage taking in the city 06:43 drojf hostage taking? Oo 06:43 dcook Yeah, nasty stuff 06:43 dcook http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-of-hostage-situation-inside-martin-place-cafe-live 06:44 dcook I think it's been going over 8 hours now 06:44 drojf shit 06:45 dcook A potentially even nastier thing is that anti-Islamic tensions are increasing as well 06:45 dcook I think there's already been violence and threats of violence against Muslims around Sydney :( 06:45 dcook Anyway, I'll stop rambling 06:45 dcook As for the OAI stuff, I plan to post to that existing bug report at some point 06:46 dcook I think it's a vast improvement over what I had in the past 06:46 dcook DBIC has helped a lot with that 06:46 dcook Actually need to take a look at the test site that I have using it right now in a union catalogue type scenario 06:48 drojf sounds great 06:48 drojf (the oai pat, not the other one) 06:48 drojf *part 06:50 drojf we have anti-muslim rallies over here now. "concerned citizens" that march with open neonazis, but don't like to be called right wing. fun times 06:51 dcook Yeah, I saw some strange things when I was in Greece recently 06:51 dcook Fair amount of ultra left and ultra right it seemed 06:52 dcook Even people I've known for years who always seemed really sensible have started to succumb to some of these ideas 06:52 dcook Disturbing stuff :( 06:53 drojf :( 07:05 dcook All right. Heading hoooome. 07:05 dcook night all 07:05 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:06 drojf night dcook 07:42 reiveune hello 07:57 * magnuse waves 07:59 magnuse bonjour reiveune et aleisha 07:59 magnuse ...et alex_a 08:00 alex_a salut magnuse 08:00 alex_a hello all 08:22 gaetan_B hello 08:23 cait good morning #koha 08:27 ashimema morning #koha 08:27 cait morning ashimema 08:28 ashimema how are you today cait? 08:28 cait tired? :) 08:29 ashimema me too 08:33 magnuse hiya gaetan_B akafred cait ashimema 08:34 cait morning magnuse 09:27 * cait waves 09:28 * ashimema screams 09:31 cait huh 09:31 * cait hides 09:34 * liw wakes up: ice creams? 09:36 magnuse nah, too cold 09:36 liw magnuse, I don't understand what you mean 09:41 cait so... shoudl we call for help or soß 09:41 cait ? 09:42 magnuse @wunder boo 09:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady). 09:42 * cait pokes ashimema 09:42 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 09:42 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 3.8°C (10:40 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 09:42 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (10:40 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 09:42 magnuse ooh, hot! 09:42 magnuse @wunder marseille 09:42 liw @wunder espoo 09:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 12.6°C (10:41 AM CET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 09:42 huginn liw: The current temperature in Viherlaakso, Espoo, Finland is 3.9°C (11:40 AM EET on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 09:42 magnuse i win/loose 09:43 ashimema :) 09:43 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 09:43 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 6.6°C (9:40 AM GMT on December 15, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 09:43 * liw has eaten ice cream cones outside in -20 degree Celsius, much to the amazement of Japanese tourists (who surrounded /me with cameras) 09:44 magnuse lol 09:45 cait hm wondering, was it possible to print fines on a checkout slip or not? 09:45 cait i guess not 09:45 cait bug 8591 09:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8591 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , show sum of any outstanding fines for patron on the issue slip 12:07 paxed so, facets don't strip out AACR2, nor are they case-insensitive. blergh 12:08 cait i think this might be a configuration thing - you could add it to the new bug report 12:08 cait i mean there is already one for the punctuation 12:09 paxed i know, i reported that. 12:10 cait yeah just found it 12:10 cait bug 13231 12:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13231 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ISBD/AACR2 punctuation causes double facets 12:15 drojf is it just me, or is it impossible to reset the not for loan status of an item? it appears to me a change is only made if i choose one of the other values, empty doesn't work (3.18.1) 12:17 cait ew 12:17 cait sec i can test 12:17 cait how are you changing it, in cataloguing? 12:17 drojf yes 12:18 drojf and changing the language in staff client results in an error. language is changed when i hit the back button though. hasn't this been fixed long ago? 12:18 cait drojf: you are right 12:18 cait :( 12:18 cait can you check the logs? can't access them here 12:18 cait seems to depend on the page - but you are right for the additem screen 12:19 cait ... and plese file a bug? 12:19 cait or 2 12:20 cait drojf: it's the same for all the authorized value driven status fields 12:20 cait yu can't unset them 12:20 drojf :(( 12:35 drojf bug 13465 12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13465 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset 12:36 drojf i have not actually checked if its a problem in biblio cataloguing too or only for items 12:45 cait i thnk it's probably items 12:45 cait we changed somet things about that scrit 12:45 cait druthb. 12:59 oleonard Hi #koha 13:11 tcohen hi oleonard #koha 13:14 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 13:14 tcohen hi magnuse 13:16 khall mornin #koha! 13:17 khall cait: re: bug 13023, as far as I can tell only the marc21 frameworks define the nonpublic note, is that correct? 13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13023 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Nonpublic note for items should be mapped to a database column like itemnotes 13:23 tcohen cait: you can take a look at the previous facet calculation code, it is pretty much unchanged in 3.18 (for use_zebra_facets=0) 13:29 khall tcohen: do you know offhand the answer to my question, do any of the unimarc frameworks contain an item nonpublic note? As far as I can tell, the answer is no 13:44 Joubu khall: 13:45 Joubu git grep nonpublic [14:44:32] 13:45 Joubu fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_complet/Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql:('995', 'z', 'Note interne', '', 0, 0, 'items.nonpublicnote', 10, '', '', '', 0, 0, '', NULL, '', ''); 13:45 Joubu that's what you are searching for? 13:45 cait khall: and thx :) 13:45 khall Joubu: yep, that's the only one that got me, since it references a nonexistent column 13:45 cait ah now i missed tcohen 13:46 khall Joubu: should I just fix up that one line to point to the new non-public note column? 13:48 cait khall: please also fix the FA frameworks - they are still mapping paidfor :( 13:48 cait and it hink the grep won't work, as this is a new column? they are probably mapped to nothing or to paidfor right now 13:48 cait probably need to search for 995 z? 13:49 khall cait: working on it! 13:50 cait khall: inconsistent mappings are the worst :( 13:50 khall cait: agreed 13:51 Joubu khall: yes, I think so 13:52 khall Joubu: will do! 13:52 cait i am very happy to see that cleaned up - sorry for causing you more headache 13:53 cait but it hink this way it will be nice and clean for every new customer... and that will make us happy :) 14:03 khall cait: np! can you take a look at the fresh qa followup? 14:03 cait not today (christmas party later) but at the weekend latest 14:03 cait trying before 14:04 cait and if somene gets bored... drojf found a mean item cataloguing bug earlier :( 14:04 cait bug 13465 14:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset 14:04 khall ok, there is one other problem though. Some frameworks have 952$x mapped to paidfor, and are actually using it for that. Should I change those or leave them alone? They'll require translations if I change them 14:05 cait hm not sure i understand, do you have an example? 15:57 bora hello current my library using pmb with unimarc and now we want to move to koha by convert unimarc to marc21 15:58 bora so how can I convert from unimarc to marc21 15:58 nlegrand bora: you can use unimarc with koha 15:59 bora yes, but my partner required us to used marc21 for exchange record with them 15:59 nlegrand bora: ok :) 16:00 bora any idear 16:01 jcamins Hey, are any French speakers who play musical instruments around? 16:01 drojf bora: maybe that is a start http://loc.gov/marc/unimarctomarc21.html 16:03 reiveune bye 16:03 drojf jcamins scares away the french people 16:04 jcamins drojf: awww. 16:04 drojf you got me curious though, i hope you'll find someone :) 16:05 bora drojf: thank 16:05 bora but seem complicated 16:06 cait bora: i think the conversion is a complicated one :( 16:06 drojf bora: i'd think so, yes 16:07 bora I wish I could find software for convert 16:09 nlegrand jcamins: yes 16:10 jcamins nlegrand: Yay! Any idea what "piano 2 mains" would mean on the cover of some sheet music? 16:10 jcamins (it's sheet music for piano) 16:11 jcamins To me "two hands" are what one usually uses for playing the piano, and I don't see any reason that one person couldn't play it. 16:12 nlegrand jcamins: ha I don't play piano :). Maybe it's exercise to play with both hands independently? 16:12 nlegrand jcamins: you don't have more text on your partition? 16:13 jcamins nlegrand: that's all it says about this particular section. 16:13 jcamins And this book is just the part, not the entire score. 16:14 nlegrand jcamins: it seems widely used http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=index&p=1&lang=EN&q=piano+%C3%A0+deux+mains&x=0&y=0 16:15 jcamins nlegrand: good point. It didn't occur to me to look in a French catalog to see if it was common. 16:15 nlegrand jcamins: maybe it's just to say there is one player. We say "piano à quatre mains" when you have two players. 16:16 jcamins nlegrand: yeah, that's what it seems like. It just seemed so weird to say "this isn't an unusual score." 16:17 nlegrand right :) 16:17 sophie_m jcamins : I think that is to make difference with "4 mains" that needs 2 players 16:17 drojf maybe it's a warning. don't try to play with two people or you'll end up in a fight 16:17 jcamins drojf: lol 16:17 sophie_m :D 16:18 jcamins "No, I want to play middle C!" 16:18 jcamins nlegrand++ 16:18 drojf required by law for historical reasons ;) 16:18 jcamins sophie_m++ 16:18 nlegrand jcamins: got to go, sorry for not helping that much ^^ (count on me when you'll have some french clarinet questions :)) 16:18 jcamins nlegrand: thank you! 16:19 jcamins That's probably my only French sheet music question. 16:19 jcamins Maybe. 16:19 * jcamins doesn't usually work with French sheet music. 16:19 nlegrand :) 16:19 drojf you should, it seems like fun 16:19 drojf and we learn a lot 16:20 jcamins drojf: experience suggests no matter what I'm working on, you're going to get to hear about it. :P 16:20 drojf and it's fun all the time \o/ 16:20 jcamins "orchestral accompaniment arranged for pianoforte." 16:20 * cait is happy to have drojf back :) 16:20 jcamins Thank goodness the cataloger clarified that it was a pianoforte! 16:20 drojf that sounds similar to french :) 16:21 gaetan_B bye 16:31 jcamins Woohoo! 16:31 * jcamins just got to write "devotees of cults of fire gods throughout the world" in a catalog record. 16:32 drojf lol 16:33 jcamins Actually, it just gets better and better. 16:34 jcamins "story of a widowed gypsy girl from Andalusia haunted by her unfaithful dead husband" 16:35 jcamins And right now I'm listening to Ave Maria from Notre Dame de Paris. Very appropriate. 16:36 drojf :D 18:45 rangi morning 18:49 Dyrcona afternoon 19:40 rangi gmcharlt: about? 19:45 rangi 96/8 19:45 rangi hmm 19:45 rangi wahanui: 96/8? 19:45 wahanui 12 19:55 gmcharlt rangi: so, to request a CVE for a security fix 19:56 gmcharlt join the oss-security mailing list 19:56 gmcharlt then send an email to the list that includes "CVE request" in the subject 19:56 gmcharlt the content should contain or reference 19:56 gmcharlt 1. the release announcement for the fixes 19:56 gmcharlt 2. descriptions of the security issues 19:57 gmcharlt 3. and pointers to the fixes 19:57 gmcharlt 2 & 3 generally can be combined by pointing to BZ bugs 19:57 gmcharlt for example: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/02/07/10 19:57 rangi i guess once the fix is released we can move the bug out of koha-security so everyone can see it eh? 19:58 gmcharlt rangi: yep 19:58 rangi ta 19:58 gmcharlt and an example of the response from MITRE: http://osdir.com/ml/opensource-software-security/2014-02/msg00084.html 19:58 rangi excellent thanks 20:47 * magnuse waves 21:05 wizzyrea hey magnuse :) 21:07 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea 21:12 * magnuse wanders off 21:45 andrewma Hi! Just about to submit my first patch! Is anyone on? 21:46 andrewma git send-email is asking for the Message-ID to be used as In-Reply-To, what should I answer? 21:46 wizzyrea use the default I'd reckon, I don't recall doing anything special there. 21:47 wizzyrea also hi and SQUEE! a new contributor! 21:53 andrewma Thanks wizzyrea! 21:53 wizzyrea yep nw, good luck :) 21:54 andrewma Damn, my Perl hasn't got the Net::SMTP module after all that... Will email to patch list manually. 22:03 m_ ? 22:03 m_ (just checking if the web client works, it seems to) 22:10 m_ why are there two Koha General IRC meetings, at 9UTC and 21UTC? 22:11 rangi because there are lots of people in different timezones 22:12 m_ strange, but I see. 22:14 m_ thanks! 22:18 wizzyrea getting half the planet to turn up outside of work hours is challenging. 22:32 * dcook likes sleeping 22:32 dcook That's in regards to meeting times 22:32 dcook But also true in general 22:33 dcook 9am on the 17th... is 8pm on the 17th here.. 22:34 dcook 21 on the 17th is... 8am... 22:34 dcook Actually, I suppose I wouldn't be asleep for either of those 22:42 cait hi #koha 22:42 dcook yo cait 22:42 dcook 11:42? I guess I can't say it's too too late :p 22:43 cait just got home 22:43 cait we had our christmas party today 22:43 dcook \o/ 22:43 dcook I don't know if I've ever been to a Christmas party 22:43 dcook Maybe once 22:43 dcook Was it fun? :) 23:26 dcook Hmm, I guess no one must use Unapi 23:26 dcook It appears to be broken as 23:26 dcook At least outside of a git install 23:27 * dcook thinks he has a quick fix coming though..