Time Nick Message 00:00 mtj sorry, off-topic ^ 00:01 bag no worries 00:01 bag ok I'm back 00:01 mtj hiya, 00:03 bag mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 00:04 mtj bookmarked! 00:05 mtj awesome, thanks 00:07 mtj wizzyrea/rangi, could you d00dz give me upload privs, to the download box? 00:07 mtj sorry to hassle... i'm keen to sort the release today 00:08 mtj before the weekend :p 00:10 bag mtj it's hobbit premiere weekend right? is anyone there working? 00:11 mtj hey, i didnt even really know! 00:11 bag heh ;) 00:11 mtj im more of a harry potter guy myself... 00:11 bag we are supposed to get bucket loads of rain tonight - so I'm concentrating on that 00:11 mtj KIDDING!!?!? 00:11 bag /kick mtj (just kidding) 00:12 mtj its raining here too 00:20 mtj hey wiz, thanks for sorting my WP account 00:20 mtj ..the doing the release publish too 00:27 dcook ... 00:28 dcook I should double-check this on master, but on the Koha I'm looking at now... 00:28 dcook When you delete a biblio, it deletes entries from reserves, and sets biblionumber to null in old_reserves 00:29 dcook I can understand deleting a reserve... but an old_reserve should keep the biblionumber... 00:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 00:53 mtompset *ping* Anyone here? 00:54 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Fresh Debian Git?!" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/316 00:55 wajasu i git it 00:56 mtompset you git what? 00:56 mtompset Greetings, wajasu. 00:57 wajasu now maybe i can get the dbix schema loader test i wrote a year ago into test. 00:57 wajasu hopefully the schema is freindlier now. 01:03 mtompset But what do you think of my paste, wajasu? 01:09 wizzyrea mtj rangi is afk, and I've got to jet but I may get back to my desk a bit later. 01:09 wajasu as to what should or shoud not be required? what opts did you run your koha_perldeps.pl with? 01:10 tcohen none is required for production 01:11 mtj ta wizzyrea 01:12 mtj hey, add a --prod arg to the script, would be handy ^ 01:12 dcook wajasu: dbix schema loader sux :p 01:12 mtj a prod/test option, for the script? 01:13 dcook It'll be a good day when we no longer have to use the schema loader 01:13 * dcook also waves to tcohen :) 01:13 mtompset tcohen: The DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader is required. 01:13 mtompset And the default version is LOWER than the listed requirement. 01:14 mtompset oh, it's not required for production? 01:15 mtompset Then the "required" isn't smart enough. :) 01:19 wajasu i wish we had a version smart script that: let us put versions with <= >= == for specified targets (squeeze, squeeze-test, jessie, jessie-test, ubunti-???, and would output debian.packages and such. 01:19 wajasu dev, test, prod 01:21 mtompset All I know is that the cleanness of our fresh installs has fallen back a bit, because of things like this. :) 01:21 mtompset (requirements not being high enough versions from default repos) 01:24 wajasu it was this that i played with a year ago. https://metacpan.org/pod/Test::DBIx::Class::Schema 01:25 wajasu i wanted to get so unit tests in for the DBIx layer. one might just write their own similiar tests at some point. 01:28 mtompset I succeeded at getting Test::DBIx::Class into Jessie the other day, and Ubuntu 14.04 another. I could get it into Ubuntu 12.04. 01:28 mtompset ^could^couldn't^ 01:29 wajasu i even had the author patch it for me. see issue https://github.com/chiselwright/test-dbix-class-schema/issues/8 01:29 wajasu man. that was sept 28th 2012. 01:29 wajasu time sure flies. 01:31 wajasu you might try writing a similiar test class that might cater to our environment to forego the added dependency. 01:48 dcook wizzyrea: eythian still at kiwicon, eh? 01:49 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook wajasu mtj 01:53 dcook Anyone else familiar with packages around? 01:53 dcook I haven't used the Koha deb packages in ages, but I recall that you can specify your own root password 01:54 dcook But koha-create and such are able to bypass that to create new users... 01:56 wajasu i only recall that you can specify -use-db if you create the db manually 01:58 dcook Aha 01:58 dcook --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf 02:00 dcook I recalled eythian saying long ago that there was a tricksy way of doing it 02:09 dcook Not sure how the koha-common.cnf file is created... just that it's a clone of debian.cnf 02:09 dcook koha-common.postinst: ln -s debian.cnf "$conf" 02:09 dcook there we go 02:36 wajasu you good 02:36 wajasu package building is a twisty little maze of passages 02:40 dcook And I'm not even package building :) 02:40 dcook Using Chef to set up an environment for Koha on AWS 03:14 wajasu cool 04:35 dcook Yikes... that AWS instance took 30 minutes to install, and that was the most vanilla instance I could make 04:35 dcook No customization at all 04:37 dcook The customized instance was... 3:46 to 3:53... so 7 minutes 04:38 dcook I suppose Ubuntu's servers could've slowed it down... 04:38 dcook Internet connection between them at least playing up.. 05:14 dcook Hmm, it would be good if the source install of Koha matched the Debian package model more.. 05:14 dcook Actually, maybe it does if you do the FHS option for the source install 05:15 dcook I guess even then it wouldn't quite 06:45 dcook yo cait 06:45 cait yo dcook 07:14 * magnuse waves 07:41 reiveune hello 07:41 wahanui que tal, reiveune 08:03 alex_a bonjour 08:32 gaetan_B hello 08:32 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B 08:48 AmitG Hi Robin 08:48 AmitG Robin around? 09:04 nlegrand hey #koha 09:33 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 09:33 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 09:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x_U12 build #50: FIXED in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x_U12/50/ 09:33 jenkins_koha Fridolin Somers: Bug 12405 - Search links on callnumber fails on intranet results page 09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12405 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Search links on callnumber fails on intranet results page 10:21 * ashimema is on a bug opening spree 10:22 ashimema AmitG, assuming you mean eythian I don't think we're in his awake time for his time zone at the moment mate.. 10:22 ashimema and.. he's at kiwicon this week.. so may not be monitoring here regardless of timezone issues ;) 10:23 ashimema @later tell bag awesome man, colins on leave now till early next week.. but if I get a chance I'll take a look myself. 10:23 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 13:02 cait anyone around using RFID or 'self return'? 13:03 oleonard Hi #koha 13:06 cait hi oleonard :) 13:11 drojf cait: not yet 13:11 drojf but my raspi reads rfid now 13:11 drojf :) 13:12 cait i am looking for a nice solution to filter out the items that need to go on the hold sshelf 13:12 cait from the return cart 13:12 cait and a solution for: cannot be checked out at the self check 13:12 cait but at the circulation desk 13:12 cait if i use a nfl value... you can't put holds on it 13:13 cait a separate itemtype with 0 max checkouts and override at the circ desk? also a bit clumsy 13:15 drojf hm yes that seems odd for day to day use 13:15 cait and the items are different 13:15 cait some are cds with too much metal apparently - so the rfid tags won't work 13:16 drojf so you already have a solution for cannot be checked out at self check :P 13:17 drojf i thought you wanted to prevent that ;) 13:17 cait heh 13:17 cait well it's one of the things, but some have to go over the circ desk for other reaosns 13:20 druthb cait++ 13:20 drojf druthb! 13:20 cait so i get karma for not having a good solution? 13:20 cait hmpf. 13:20 druthb drojf! 13:20 druthb You get karma for being cait. 13:21 cait hmpf 13:21 drojf maybe ask me again once i am through gazillion rfid papers i just gathered ;) 13:21 drojf *a 13:21 cait keep it in mind then :) 13:22 drojf i can read and write to a tag. but no idea what to put there yet :D 13:25 cait what data model is on the tag? danish? 13:26 drojf none yet. i am trying to find out how the danish one works. i have a basic idea. since i am not going to buy the iso documents for a few hundred bucks i'll have to read around a bit i guess 13:29 drojf are these things encrapted these days? otherwise i should probably just get a book from a library and have a look :) 13:30 cait i wonder if you could put a flag on the tag itself - not for self check 13:30 oleonard Anyone have anything they're dying for me to look at before I disappear for the rest of the year? 13:34 drojf cait: there is a "ausleihstatus" tag with "ausleihbar" and "präsenz" (among others), but there may be better options. and of course i don't know what self check machines make out of that 13:37 cait me neither, but the message might b better than when you tinker with the circ rules 13:37 cait if the self check says max checkouts reached... and it's supposed to mean you can check it out at the circ desk? 13:37 cait oleonard: you go on vacation? 13:37 cait until january!? :) 13:38 oleonard Yup. Working today and Monday, and then off. 13:39 oleonard Saved up vacation for a summer trip and then never took one. Now I've got to use it or lose it. 13:42 cait aah 13:42 cait i am not aware of something - but i am behind reading bug mail 13:45 carmenh Good morning /good afternoon/ good evening #koha :D … 13:46 magnuse oleonard: good for you! :-) 13:49 mveron Hi #koha 13:49 drojf hi mveron :) 13:50 mveron hi drojf :-) 13:53 cait hi mveron 13:53 cait :) 13:53 mveron hi cait :-) 15:21 mveron cait and drojf: Do you have similar translation problems? "Ändern Kind Benutzer Hansli Meier" or "Ändern Erwachsener Benutzer Henry Acevedo" 15:22 mveron in Start › Benutzer › Henry Acevedo › Ändern Erwachsener Benutzer 15:23 cait mveron: the probem is, i think, the way the breadcrumbs are built 15:24 mveron cyit: ...and the H1 titles... 15:24 cait i think it#s one of the cases where the sentence is if elsed together, there are some of those in patrons 15:24 cait yeah 15:24 cait i meant to clean that up ages ago - never got to it :( 15:24 mveron cait: Yes, it looks very complicated... 15:24 cait there also some not so nice headingson the patron form 15:24 cait i once started but got too confused 15:25 * mveron was confused too... 15:25 cait but that was pre TT :) 15:25 mveron cait: I will file a bug - pro memoria 15:25 cait i think "Benutzer Hansli Maier (Kind) bearbeiten" could look better 15:26 mveron Yes, indeed... 15:26 cait i wonder if it wouldn't be nicer to display the patron category instead... but not sure 15:26 cait (Student) :) 15:32 mveron cait: An other problem for multi language countries is the translation of patron categories, we would need e.g. "Kind" or "Enfant" depending on the selected language... 15:32 cait hm? 15:33 cait but doesn#t it do that? 15:33 drojf sorry i was shopping :) 15:33 mveron cait: Oh, I will try! 15:33 cait i think it shows the "category" so what you pick in the pull down in the patron category - that should (in theory) be translatable :) 15:35 cait but the sequence is still... :( 15:36 drojf when i try to add a new patron the categories show up in german even when i switch to english. or do you mean something else? 15:40 mveron drojf: Yes. It takes the Category name (Kind,Jugendlicher etc. as set in Patron category administration), not the type (both have the type "child/kind = translated"). 15:41 mveron So we should be able to give translations in Patron category adminsitration. 15:42 mveron Something like "Category name: 'Kid|Kind|Enfant'" 15:51 cait hm i am confused now 15:51 cait i am pretty sure Kind is not from the database - unless you named your patron category so? 15:52 cait oh 15:52 cait reading back it makes sense no, never mind 15:54 mveron I foeld Bug 13450 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13450 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Title and breadcrumb of Patron form can look weird in translations 15:54 mveron filed... 15:54 cait it's getting late, we should call it a weekend :) 15:57 mveron cait: What are you going to cook? 15:58 cait hm not sure yet :) 15:59 cait maybe i will buy soemthing on the christmas market - i have spanish class tonight 15:59 ashimema hwos the kitchen now you've had it a while cait.. 15:59 ashimema still enjoying cooking? 15:59 mveron I can suggest something very fast: http://youtu.be/lkaIoH6Um60 15:59 mveron :-) 16:00 cait the kitchen is perfect, but i didn't have much time for cooking lately :( 16:01 cait especially having a real oven is great 16:01 mveron hmm, maybe cait's kitchen would be too small for my suggestion... 16:01 cait def :) 16:04 drojf when you have to clean the kitchen yourself afterwards it's not that fast, alltogether ;) 16:04 cait ok, time to leave :) 16:04 cait bye all 16:04 oleonard Bye cait 16:08 bag @seen ashimema 16:08 huginn bag: ashimema was last seen in #koha 9 minutes and 13 seconds ago: <ashimema> still enjoying cooking? 16:08 bag sweet thanks ashimema 16:08 cait oleonard: have a nice vacation :) 16:09 ashimema :) 16:09 bag have a nice vacation oleonard 16:10 * oleonard is still here through Monday 16:16 reiveune bye 16:18 martinmorris Good morning, I sent an email to the koha-translate mailing list recently asking for a new language to be added. Anybody here connected with that? Just that it hasn’t been added and I wondered if I could help in any way? 16:20 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:20 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Why do my tests fail on master? (prove -r t)" (30 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/319 16:21 mtompset How do I install all the default data? 16:26 mtompset Okay, Holidays debugged. 16:39 mveron martinmorris:Normally it is done very quickly. Maybe you should send a gentle reminder to the koha-translate mailing ist. Oh, Esperanto! Nice! 16:39 martinmorris Great, thanks mveron! And yes, should be a fun translation (and necessary for our group). 16:49 gaetan_B bye 16:57 martinmorris I remember that I have another really odd question. I’m using 3.16, in Firefox on OS X Yosemite, and the US Extended character set. In the staff interface (and not the OPAC, nor anywhere else), when typing alt+u (for example, to type ä or ü), the brower goes to the checkout screen and beeps at me. I can’t see an obvious setting to change this. 17:00 jcamins martinmorris: yeah, that's really annoying. I used JavaScript to disable it. 17:00 * mveron has to run... 17:01 martinmorris Very annoying! Can you tell me how you did that? 17:01 mveron Good daytime everybody! 17:02 jcamins Yeah, very easy: Nvmophylacivm Mansbergianvm: Qvod collegit Anthon Adam a Mansberg, Regis Magnæ Britanniæ ... 17:02 jcamins Uhhh... no, not that... 17:02 oleonard jcamins is up to black magic again 17:02 jcamins shortcut.remove('Alt+r'); shortcut.remove('Alt+u'); shortcut.remove('Alt+q'); 17:03 bag bug 13023 17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13023 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Nonpublic note for items should be mapped to a database column like itemnotes 17:03 martinmorris and I add that to the relevant pages? 17:03 martinmorris (I’m not a programmer at all!) 17:05 jcamins jquery library? 17:05 wahanui jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 17:05 jcamins Follow the instructions on that page. 17:05 martinmorris lovely, thanks jcamins! 17:05 jcamins It goes inside $(document).ready(function () { ... }); in intranetuserjs. 17:07 yhager I think overdue email lists all checkouts, not only overdue ones. Is this a known issue (3.18.1)? 17:08 martinmorris works a treat, thanks so much! 17:09 jcamins You're welcome. I spend a surprising amount of time on Fridays typing umlauts, so the shortcut really got in the way. 17:09 jcamins I rarely need to type 'œ', but it has happened, actually. 17:11 yhager bug #13035 looks very similar to what I see, but it was handled 2 months ago... 17:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13035 major, P5 - low, ---, rkopaczka, Pushed to Master , Overdue notices send notices for due date in future. 17:34 yhager I also have this in my cron results, not sure it's related: Use of uninitialized value $borrowernumber in string eq at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 544. 18:26 tcohen hi 18:26 wahanui hola, tcohen 18:27 drojf hi tcohen 18:41 jcamins drojf: any idea what "insgemein" meant in 1778? 18:43 drojf jcamins: it's an old version of 'insgesamt', meaning altogether, overall 18:43 jcamins Ah-ha! 18:43 jcamins Thanks. 18:45 oleonard Ah so that's why you stick around jcamins ;) 18:46 jcamins oleonard: yep. Where else would I get instant translations from German, French, and Spanish? 18:46 drojf heh 18:48 * oleonard waits for magnuse to object 18:48 jcamins oleonard: I rarely have any Norwegian that needs translation. 18:48 * oleonard waits for magnuse to object again! 18:48 jcamins oleonard: though, actually, I guess I have had to ask magnuse to translate things once or twice. 19:34 cait drojf: you stole my german question! 19:35 drojf you said you'd be doing spanish tonight :) 19:36 cait if i can't help jcamins with the trnslations, he might stop to answer all my zebra questions! :) 19:38 * oleonard pictures jcamins conversing with zebras 19:40 jcamins Hehe. 19:42 drojf zebrew? 19:42 cait heh 19:43 mtompset A zebra whisperer? :) 19:58 oleonard Have a good weekend, #koha 20:02 cait bag: i think our comments overlapped on bug 13023 20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13023 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Nonpublic note for items should be mapped to a database column like itemnotes 20:02 bag yeah I just reposted mine 20:03 bag it's up to kyle now ;) 20:22 yhager is there a way to get patron list sorted by surname by default (and not by card # as it is today) 21:50 magnuse bag: HI 21:50 bag magnuse: hi 21:50 wahanui que tal, bag 21:50 * magnuse wanders off to converse with norwegian zebras 21:55 tcohen hi 21:57 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 21:57 mtompset I had fun cleaning up some tests. 21:58 mtompset 13451, 13453, 13455, and 13456. 21:58 tcohen mtompset: I noticed! 21:59 mtompset Noisy tests makes it hard to test MY code. 22:00 tcohen mtompset: I'd like to see more unit tests, db-independent ones, with mocked stuff 22:01 mtompset Someone else can do that. I just fixing what is there. :) 22:01 tcohen mtompset++ 22:06 bag heya tcohen 22:06 tcohen hi bag 22:08 * cait waves 22:09 tcohen hi cait! 22:29 * mtompset grumbles about Reserves.t, SIP_ILS.t, and www/batch.t 22:30 mtompset Well, 5 out of 8 is good enough for today, right? :) 22:48 tcohen @later tell paul_p I got addicted to some candies you brought, shame on you! 22:48 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 22:49 cait :) 22:50 mtompset tcohen: Hmmm... I've been trying to figure out the www/batch.t problem... And it isn't loading the table data. 22:50 mtompset Which is why the test fails. 22:50 mtompset Did we change tables on the import MARC page? 22:51 tcohen do u have it set correctly? 22:51 mtompset i'm thinking the underlying technology requires some jquery callback to trigger a table refresh or something, which doesn't happen in Test::WWW::Mechanize 22:51 tcohen (the vhost name, etc) 22:52 mtompset the intranet one is, and that's the test that is failing. ;) 22:52 mtompset I think. 22:53 mtompset How do I check? 22:55 tcohen ah, we added the template name as a comment 22:56 tcohen mtompset: is this what you see? http://snag.gy/1xxiI.jpg 22:57 mtompset Yes. 22:58 mtompset I did a print STDERR $agent->content(), and there is no <td> data. 23:05 tcohen mtompset: will you fix it? 23:05 mtompset I don't know how to fix it. 23:05 mtompset If the page returned the table data, then there wouldn't be any problems. 23:07 mtompset If you recall, we've been going through and converting data tables. 23:07 mtompset from one thing to another. 23:07 mtompset And that has broken this. 23:07 mtompset That's my guess. 23:12 tcohen it seems so 23:25 mtompset Anyways... i need to run. 23:25 mtompset Have a great weekend, #koha.