Time  Nick         Message
00:00 rangi        so my next question is, published xss vuln .. probably need to do an out of band security release eh
00:01 rangi        cant really wait until the 22nd
00:01 rangi        since we've been 0dayed
00:01 drojf        i'd say yes
00:01 rangi        yeah ill do one for 3.18
00:02 rangi        if this tests out ok
00:10 rangi        @later tell tcohen take a look at bug 13425 ive pushed to 3.18.x already but it should go in master too, thanks
00:10 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
00:13 rangi        rambutan: its pushed to 3.18.x if you wanted to take a look
00:17 bag          who's 3.16?
00:17 rangi        mtj
00:17 bag          ah
00:17 rangi        mtj: are you around?
00:23 wizzyrea     mtj- as well
00:26 drojf        good night #koha
00:26 rangi        thanks heaps drojf
00:26 drojf        :)
00:29 rangi        http://download.koha-community.org/
00:38 wizzyrea     good stuff
00:39 rangi        done
00:39 rangi        reported 11.42am
00:40 rangi        new release at 1.39pm
00:40 rangi        not even 2 hours
00:40 ibeardslee   awesome
00:40 rangi        @later tell mtj take a look at bug 13425 you will want to cut a 3.16.x release with it in it asap
00:40 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
00:41 wizzyrea     rangi++
00:42 aleisha      woo go rangi
01:20 wajasu       rangi++
01:35 dcook        So if I understand this correctly...
01:35 dcook        CentOS is built from RHEL and RHEL is built from Fedora?
01:37 dcook        RHEL and Fedora are owned by Red Hat... and CentOS is "sponsored" by Red Hat?
01:37 dcook        Debian is run by Debian, Ubuntu is run by Canonical...
01:37 dcook        SUSE and OpenSUSE by SUSE...
01:38 ibeardslee   I understand that CentOS is now owned by Redhat
01:39 ibeardslee   not quite ibeardslee .. CentOS announced the official joining with Red Hat while staying independent from RHEL, under a new CentOS governing board.
01:40 dcook        Yeah, that's what I saw
01:40 ibeardslee   whatever that really means
01:40 dcook        Although at the time, I think the headlines were saying that Redhat now owned CentOS
01:40 dcook        I know, right?
01:41 wizzyrea     all the sigh
01:42 * dcook      is going to stop thinking about distros
01:42 dcook        Looks like Chef Server only runs on Ubuntu and RHEL though
01:42 dcook        Or at least they only package it for those distros
01:42 dcook        I think you could probably built your own packages or build from source by collecting up all the code from the bazillion repos on Github..
01:43 dcook        It looks like a rather complex tool so fair enough perhaps, but dang :/
01:43 dcook        I suppose a person could just run up a machine solely to be the Chef Server
01:43 * dcook      would love to switch to Debian or Ubuntu anyway...
01:44 dcook        Maybe https://github.com/opscode/opscode-omnibus ...
01:49 dcook        Hmmm https://github.com/opscode-cookbooks/chef-server
01:50 dcook        Don't love the Opscode docs. They keep everything up but don't necessarily label what's out of date...
01:56 wizzyrea     dcook: glad the thing worked out yesterday
01:56 dcook        Ah yeah. That was neat.
01:56 dcook        Didn't 100% figure out the problem, but understood the solution.
01:56 dcook        If that makes sense..
01:56 dcook        Or rather... knew the problem, knew the solution, but not 100% sure of the root of the problem
01:56 dcook        Yeah..
01:59 mtj          hi rangi
01:59 rangi        hey mtj
01:59 mtj          roger on bug 13425
01:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13425 is not accessible.
02:00 rangi        cool
02:00 rangi        theres a patch for 3.16 on there
02:00 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance  <-- helpful
02:01 mtj          ta, thanks for the info
02:02 wizzyrea     Trial by fire, go!
02:02 rangi        lemme know if you cant pust to 3.16.x
02:03 rangi        you have 2 keys , i added one, but it might be the wrong one :)
02:03 rangi        push even
02:04 mtj          ok thanks
04:22 jcamins      Does anyone know why the 3.16.x patch labeled "OPAC" is intranet-only and obsoletes an actual OPAC patch?
04:23 eythian      hi
04:24 eythian      jcamins: human error?
04:24 wahanui      hmmm... human error is no fun, but I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to do classification-wise overall.
04:24 jcamins      eythian: okay, just checking there wasn't a reason I was missing.
04:25 eythian      I don't know, just specilating
04:25 eythian      and misspelling
04:25 wahanui      somebody said misspelling was immortalized in master now :-)
04:25 dcook        Deliberate sadism?
04:27 eythian      I had my laptop tracking planes today, by receiving their transponder data.
04:27 eythian      but now I have to roll security releases
04:28 dcook        :D
04:28 dcook        Sounds awesome, eythian
04:29 eythian      also got much of the way decoding commands to an alarm system.
04:29 eythian      Note to self: don't buy cheap alarm systems, they're an open book.
04:29 dcook        hehe
04:29 dcook        Yeah, I can't remember what the article was that said not to use cheap wireless stuff
04:29 jcamins      eythian: also, locks are scarily easy to pick.
04:30 dcook        jcamins: although owning lockpicks might be more illegal than owning radio software?
04:30 dcook        Not that legality matters much in many cases..
04:30 jcamins      dcook: I can buy sets of lockpicks at street fairs.
04:30 dcook        Really?
04:30 jcamins      Yeah.
04:30 dcook        I thought it was illegal in America
04:31 jcamins      If so, they clearly don't enforce it.
04:31 eythian      dcook: I'm pretty sure it's legal here too.
04:31 dcook        Huh... learn something new everyday
04:31 dcook        eythian: Probably. I just recall an American (who had lockpicks) mentioning to me that they were illegal to buy in the US
04:31 dcook        Perhaps my memory is faulty or he was incorrect/lying
04:32 jcamins      dcook: varies by state.
04:32 jcamins      Legal in NY.
04:33 jcamins      rangi: any objection to my revising your patches so that they have descriptions that match what they do?
04:33 eythian      jcamins: rangi is probably en route home
04:34 jcamins      eythian: do you think he'd mind?
04:34 eythian      I doubt it
04:34 jcamins      Okay.
04:34 * jcamins    either.
04:35 dcook        Good ol' regional laws
04:35 dcook        Well, I guess everywhere is a region in one way or another...
04:35 eythian      I have a feeling they might be more legally dubious in .au
04:35 eythian      There'll be lockpicking training at kiwicon, someone will know
04:35 dcook        I figure pretty  much everything is illegal here
04:35 dcook        On the plus side, I have Medicare now :D
04:35 dcook        s/now/now... for now/
04:36 dcook        Really wish I could've gone to kiwicon...
04:37 eythian      I just had a full day of software defined radio training, it was neato.
04:37 jcamins      banana: around?
04:37 jcamins      Uhhh...
04:37 jcamins      bag: around?
04:37 eythian      close :)
04:40 dcook        yeah rangi mentioned earlier that you were at that one today, eythian
04:40 dcook        I think my day was spent on learning about... Chef and Amazon AWS
04:41 eythian      @later tell larryb oldstable is 3.14 because there's been no new 3.16 release yet, usually they're in sync enough that I just do it when the new release comes out but this time that didn't happen
04:41 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.
04:41 jcamins      Should I remove bag's sign-off? He signed off on a patch that doesn't do what it says, which makes me think maybe the uploaded patch isn't what he was testing.
04:41 eythian      it's probably good to make sure things are correct, so I'd say yes
04:42 jcamins      Yeah, that was my thought.
04:43 jcamins      Okay, that's done.
04:46 jcamins      bag: I went ahead and removed your sign-off, since you'll be working on Koha again soon and would be able to confirm your sign-off was intentional.
04:52 eythian      updated 3.18 packages uploading
04:52 eythian      uploaded
04:54 * eythian    will do 3.16 when the update is release.
04:54 eythian      +d
05:02 mtompset     @later tell drojf You're safe from the live dvd. :)
05:02 huginn       mtompset: The operation succeeded.
05:07 dcook        Anyone have any ideas about: "fatal: Unable to find remote helper for 'https'"
05:07 eythian      what's the context?
05:07 wahanui      the context is everything?
05:07 dcook        When using git clone
05:07 eythian      exactly
05:07 * dcook      just realized that wasn't part of the error message
05:07 eythian      hmm
05:08 eythian      what platform?
05:08 dcook        OpenSUSE
05:08 wahanui      rumour has it OpenSUSE is not used by many developers, and will likely be difficult to get Koha working with
05:08 dcook        ^
05:08 eythian      did you build it, or install it from repos?
05:08 dcook        Someone installed git from source originally
05:08 * dcook      is going to try reconfiguring it
05:08 eythian      you probably need libcurl-devel installed when building it to do that
05:09 eythian      also libcurl-devel
05:09 dcook        Yeah, I've seen that around. I thought we had it but I should doublecheck
05:09 eythian      otherwise it may not come with http(s) support
05:09 dcook        Yep, already got libcurl-devel
05:09 dcook        I bet it just wasn't built correctly
05:10 eythian      can you use git:// in this situation?
05:10 dcook        Nah, github will only let you use https when you push
05:10 * dcook      cheated and used git to clone in the first place to workaround it
05:10 eythian      I don't think that's true
05:10 eythian      I think you can't push on https at all
05:10 eythian      only on git:
05:10 dcook        Hmm, that's what someone said somewhere
05:11 dcook        I suspect it's how Github defaults as well
05:11 eythian      do you have ssh keys set up for it?
05:11 dcook        Yep
05:11 eythian      then I'd expect it to Just Work™
05:12 dcook        Same
05:12 eythian      are you pushing to a repo you own?
05:12 dcook        Yep
05:12 eythian      i.e. you're not trying to push to someone else's repo by accident?
05:12 dcook        Nope, definitely mine
05:13 eythian      then I'd get to the bottom of why pushing to git:// doesn't work, rather than making https work :)
05:13 dcook        Want to push a Chef cookbook to my Github so that Amazon Opworks can pick it up and use it when building an instance
05:13 dcook        ah
05:13 dcook        My bad perhaps
05:13 jcamins      You can push to GH using SSH or HTTPS.
05:13 dcook        git:// works to clone but not to push
05:13 dcook        jcamins: I hadn't thought of ssh... that would also make sense
05:13 jcamins      You can't push on git:// ever.
05:13 eythian      oh
05:13 eythian      hmm
05:14 eythian      ahh
05:14 eythian      it's all git+ssh://
05:14 eythian      that I have for pushing things
05:14 eythian      or like: git@github.com:eythian/koha-gitify.git
05:14 eythian      for example
05:15 eythian      I guess that must use ssh
05:15 mtj          hey eythian, got a tic?
05:15 dcook        yeah probably uses ssh
05:15 * dcook      will give it a go
05:15 eythian      mtj: sup
05:15 mtj          ..any idea what the next 3.16.x version should be?
05:16 mtj          ie: the version i'm about to release
05:16 mtj          current version is 3.16.04.000
05:16 eythian      3.16.05.000 I guess.
05:16 dcook        Hmm ssh was better...
05:16 eythian      jcamins is likely to be able to help you more accurately
05:17 jcamins      mtj: 3.16.05.
05:17 dcook        Something isn't working along the line though..
05:17 eythian      mtj: if you're planning to push it in the next little while, I'll hang around and publish the packages right after
05:17 jcamins      Unless you already tagged 3.16.05, in which case, 3.16.06.
05:17 mtj          thanx jcamins
05:18 mtj          eythian: yep, im hoping to push soon
05:18 eythian      cool
05:18 eythian      then I have to go to a VIP party :D
05:19 mtj          LUCKY!
05:19 eythian      the things we have do to :)
05:20 dcook        Hmm..
05:20 dcook        So my key is working... but still failing when I try pushing
05:20 dcook        No, not even pushing
05:20 dcook        Just trying to do "git remote show origin"
05:21 eythian      what does failing mean in this context?
05:21 dcook        Permission denied :S
05:21 mtj          hey jcamins, can you recall how to generate the koha release-notes?
05:21 dcook        Even though if I try SSHing directly, I authenticate fine
05:22 dcook        I must've set up the url wrong..
05:22 jcamins      mtj: yes, use the script.
05:22 jcamins      Or, even better, use release-tool.pl.
05:22 jcamins      IMO
05:24 dcook        Yep, set up the url wrong
05:24 jcamins      Good night.
05:24 wahanui      Don't go, jcamins. Stay a while. Stay forever.
05:25 dcook        Forever... forever...
05:25 mtj          hmm, i dont know the name of the script, and 'release-tool.pl' is not in the koha repo
05:26 eythian      is it wikied somewhere?
05:26 mtj          rangi: abouty?
05:27 mtj          ta, ill take a look
05:28 dcook        mtj: I think there's a repo somewhere that has release-tool.pl in it
05:28 dcook        tcohen would know
05:28 mtj          ah, moar info.. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
05:28 dcook        I know I've seen it
05:28 mtj          'Release notes are automatically generated by the get_bugs.pl script from the release-tools repo.'
05:28 dcook        Huzzah. Finally pushed to Github for the first time.
05:29 mtj          mtj-- for missing that ^
05:29 huginn       mtj: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
05:29 * dcook      had to listen to Slayer after wahanui's staying forever remark
05:29 dcook        Hmm, no comment from wahanui
05:34 * eythian    adds some duolingo XP while he waits
05:45 mtompset     Windows XP? ;)
05:46 eythian      no swearing, mtompset
05:47 mtompset     Not swearing. Just sad that the Z3950 perl library and Text::Bidi didn't like Strawberry Perl in Windows.
05:57 eythian      mtj: any progress?
05:59 mtj          yep, very close... but now on fone to dad?!
06:05 mtj          hmm, ive autogened the release notes.. but my patch didnt get listed in the notes.txt..
06:06 eythian      http://ww.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/2oqulw/haere_mai_this_weeks_language_of_the_week_m%C4%81ori/ <-- rangi
06:15 eythian      mtj: I have to go fairly soon, any ETA?
06:19 mtj          hey eythian, something is a little goofy with my release notes..
06:29 eythian      mtj: I have to head off now, I'll hopefully get to that tomorrow.
06:29 eythian      http://youtu.be/8vXHWQF2-uY <-- mtj, rangi, wizzyrea
06:29 mtj          no probs lil' buddy
06:29 mtj          im (hopefully) about 5 mins away from a push
06:30 mtj          ..have a very important time eythian :)
06:43 mtompset     Have a good day, #koha.
06:51 mtj          hmm, ive managed to push my commits to the 3.16.x branch (good)
06:51 mtj          ..but i'm getting an error, when attempting to push my new 'v3.16.05' tag
06:52 mtj          rangi: do i lack some access rights on the kc box, to push/create tags?
06:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE)
06:54 * magnuse    waves
06:56 mtj          hey magnuse
06:56 magnuse      kia ora mtj
06:56 rangi        mtj: try that
06:57 pastebot     "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "pushing a tag, fails" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/310
06:57 magnuse      ooh, slayer!
06:58 mtj          1 tic..
06:58 mtj          ta rangi, fixed -> http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.16.x
06:58 rangi        you cool
06:59 magnuse      mtj++
06:59 rangi        you might want to edit your release notes so taht it says its a security release, and add the data about that, (I did that for mine)
06:59 mtj          hey, i just noticed the XSS bug didnt show up in the rel_notes.txt
06:59 mtj          yeah, snap
07:02 mtj          rangi, whats the policy on fixing a commit, thats already pushed to the KC repo
07:02 rangi        you'll have to do another one
07:02 rangi        and retag
07:03 mtj          ok, np
07:03 rangi        or you could just fix it when you post the release notes to the koha-community.org site
07:05 mtj          rangi:  can i reuse the 'v3.16.05' tag?
07:05 mtj          or must i use another one
07:06 mtj          ie: can i delete my local tag, make a new one
07:06 mtj          ..then force/push that new tag to a remote
07:06 mtj          is that what you mean by a 'retag'
07:07 mtj          can i reuse the same tag name -  or must i always use a different one, now ive pushed that tag remotely
07:08 rangi        just tag again with the same tag
07:09 rangi        if you cant do that, juts dont worry
07:09 rangi        cos the important bits of that commit are the version number
07:09 mtj          ooh, success
07:09 mtj          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.16.x
07:09 mtj          retagged
07:10 rangi        cool
07:13 mtj          was not so hard :0)
07:14 cait         rangi++ mtj++
07:15 mtj          ..mainly because of the awsome release info, in the wiki
07:15 mtj          hiya cait
07:16 magnuse      eythian is probably not around to build a package from that?
07:17 mtj          yeah, he just left(ish) magnuse
07:19 magnuse      ish? :-)
07:20 magnuse      rangi: "a freeboard #kohails dashboard" sounds interesting
07:21 rangi        yeah we'll put it up somewhere to look at sometime next week
07:22 magnuse      does it monitor one instance or the koha project?
07:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #31: NOW UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/31/
07:23 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 13425 - XSS in opac facets - Patch for 3.16
07:23 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Increment version for 3.16.5 release
07:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13425 is not accessible.
07:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE)
07:30 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
07:30 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
07:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_D7 build #28: FIXED in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_D7/28/
07:30 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 13425 - XSS in opac facets - Patch for 3.16
07:30 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Increment version for 3.16.5 release
07:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13425 is not accessible.
07:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U12 build #29: FAILURE in 13 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U12/29/
07:38 reiveune     hello
07:40 magnuse      ouch "ERROR: Error fetching remote repo 'origin'" http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U12/29/console
07:48 drojf        good morning #koha
07:49 drojf        @later tell mtompset Woohoo! :D
07:49 huginn       drojf: The operation succeeded.
07:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #32: NOW UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/32/
07:52 jenkins_koha Mason James: fix typo in release notes
08:00 alex_a       bonjour
08:00 wahanui      what's up, alex_a
08:05 Joubu        hello
08:05 wahanui      hola, Joubu
08:14 gaetan_B     hello
08:59 Joubu        rangi: I agree, I will move the patch to its own bug report
09:21 nlegrand     Ooh ! Aah ! Koha !
09:23 magnuse      nlegrand: yay!
09:36 magnuse      looks like bug 13396 will be a stumbling block for people who upgrade to 3.18 with the packages
09:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13396 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-rebuild-zebra: Couldn't open collection.abs error after 3.18 package update
10:22 akafred      Hi all - I am looking for performance data on misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl ... ran an import of 1.472.512 records to Koha 3.18.00 which took about 19 hours ... is that expected?
10:26 magnuse      it does sound a bit slow, but i have no experience with those kinds of numbers...
10:26 magnuse      maybe someone at biblibre, like gaetan_B?
10:27 gaetan_B     akafred: hello :) i am not surprised that this was long, it even sounds fairly reasonable for such a large amount of data if you ask me
10:28 gaetan_B     when we import data for migrations, we don't use bulkmarcimport actually, we have custom scripts
10:29 akafred      We have to think about our migration window ... and 19 hours just for this part gives no buffer if something needs to be rerun ...
10:30 akafred      By 'custom scripts' you mean?
10:30 Joubu        akafred: you could try to use this script with 10 records and profile the execution of the script. To know where the processing time is elapsed
10:31 gaetan_B     we have script interacting directly with the koha functions to migrate, but i can't tell you much more about this
10:32 gaetan_B     for a migration though, especially a large one, you will have to plan some buffer for the case where things can go wrong, and my opinion is that it does involve telling the librarians they will have to stop providing service for a while ;)
10:32 magnuse      ooh, secret sauce ;-)
10:32 gaetan_B     maybe only one or two days of not loaning documents
10:32 gaetan_B     to be on the safe side
10:32 gaetan_B     because if your migration window is "sunday" and things are not looking as you were hoping on monday morning, it will be a really sad monday
10:34 gaetan_B     i'm not saying i can't tell you more about the secret sauce because it's secret, it's just that i am not a specialist about this ;)
10:34 mtj          akafred: try disabling your zebra indexing when importing
10:34 mtj          ..then a full index, after
10:35 Joubu        yes mtj is right, I was exactly looking at that.
10:35 magnuse      good idea
10:35 Joubu        but not sure to gain a lot of time
10:37 magnuse      would be interesting to see how much effect it has
10:37 akafred      ... we can suspend zebra ...
10:38 mtj          yes :)
10:39 magnuse      koha-stop-zebra is your friend
10:39 mtj          akafred: 19 hours is very slow - i recently did 1.9 million records, in hmm  4 hours
10:40 Joubu        but the script searches for duplicates, using zebra of course
10:40 magnuse      is there some way to turn that off?
10:40 Joubu        be care if you use this feature
10:42 magnuse      would that be "-fk Turn off foreign key checks during import"?
10:42 akafred      Another interesting observation about bulkmarcimport.pl is that CPU-usage tops out at about 125% (on an 8 core machine) so it seems pretty much single threaded (or it is IO-bound, haven't looked at those stats, but I am guessing it is not). We see a slight increase in load during the import,which i am guessing is caused because of indexing a bigger index...
10:42 akafred      mtj: on 2.16 or 3.18?
10:43 akafred      i meant 3.16
10:43 mtj          hmm 3.14
10:44 Malik____    Hello everyone i am trying to configure GSM Modem for SMS Service but i can't get the drivers for koha can anyone tell me about right configuration of GSM Modem for Koha on Ubuntu
10:44 akafred      We have a theory that we ran bulkmarcimport faster on 3.16, but haven't tried to reproduce. Could there be a performance regression?
10:47 Joubu        Malik____: http://www.gsm-modem.de/ ?
10:48 Joubu        Malik____: I did not find a driver for them on the cpan. You will have to write it yourself
10:48 Malik____    how i can right
10:48 mtj          https://metacpan.org/pod/Device::Gsm
10:48 mtj          Malik____:  that looks quite good ^
10:48 Joubu        akafred: could be good to know :) And quite easy to test, with 10k records
10:48 mtj          you should try that one
10:50 mtj          akafred: i have been thinking about using ram or ssd, to speed up importing
10:50 Joubu        Malik____: follow the link mtj sent, I completely misunderstood...
10:51 mtj          a ramfs perhaps
10:51 Malik____    i am checking that and trying to install that
10:52 mtj          Malik____:  you can use an SMS service too - if you can not get your modem working
10:53 Malik____    i have checked all services like clickatell talking itive etc but there API are not workin in pakistan so i preffered to use GSM Device
10:54 mtj          hmm , ok
10:57 mtj          oops, tmpfs - not ramfs
11:24 cait         drojf++
13:09 oleonard     Hi #koha
13:10 cait         hi oleonard
14:14 oleonard     I get so mixed up about testing translation bugs...
14:14 oleonard     cait does my test plan on Bug 13400 look correct?
14:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?"
14:14 cait         sec
14:15 cait         oleonard: if you edit the po file, one reason it might fail is a 'fuzzy' marker
14:15 cait         if there is a fuzzy in one o the comments for the entry, you also need to delete that
14:16 cait         your test plan looks correct
14:16 cait         just looking for a reaosn why it might have failed
14:16 oleonard     Okay I'll bet that was it
14:16 oleonard     Yeah I'll re-test
14:17 cait         otherwise... not sure - was confirm the one that we had problems with before?
14:18 oleonard     Yes, but I don't think that's the reason in this case because it looks similar to other instances which seem to be working
14:19 oleonard     Yup that was it. Thanks cait
14:19 cait         np
14:23 oleonard     I'm always surprised that these translation bugs keep popping up
14:24 F0undation   Hello again! Q: Anyone encountered the error "No branchcode argument passed to Koha::Calendar->new at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 3382" already, and know how to fix it?
14:24 F0undation   Happens when I try to checkout anything
14:32 oleonard     F0undation: Do your items have library branch codes for home and holding branch?
14:34 F0undation   oleaonard: Yes, I've set those - even though we're only 1 library without branches, so it's all the same code
14:34 cait         do you have holidays in your calendar?
14:35 cait         maybe it's something in that area
14:35 F0undation   our library is open 24/7 for the moment :)
14:38 F0undation   tried from https://www.marshut.net/ktmqkm/check-in-error.pdf also to look at shelving location - but that didn't help (also isn't something we use, and is as far as I can see no mandatory field)
14:40 oleonard     This seems to be the same issue but it's not clear to me with the solution was: https://www.mail-archive.com/koha@lists.katipo.co.nz/msg12432.html
14:41 oleonard     "shelving location was missing" ... Shelving location shouldn't be mandatory.
14:41 F0undation   ah, got it! it was the CircControl pref, which was set to "library the item is from". Setting it to "library you're logged in at" solves it
14:41 cait         hm i think maybe it was confusion - we have lots of libaries not using it
14:41 cait         sounds a bit like a bug
14:42 oleonard     My test system is set up to use "library the item is from" and I don't have any problems with check-in.
14:44 F0undation   Upon further investigation: I've got circulation rules and defaults set for "all libraries". But not for my specific named library: upon selecting there it said "defaults not set". Think that might've been the issue.
14:44 oleonard     I don't think so
14:44 oleonard     The defaults for "all libraries" should work
15:17 nlegrand     I'm working on an RFC for managing books circulation from closed stacks. For the question "how do I know the book is in closed stacks" should I fiddle with bug 737 and <http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Shelf_Map_RFC>?
15:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, magnus, NEW , Map of library in search system
15:17 cait         nlegrand: i think it might dpeendon how exactly you need to know
15:18 cait         woudl a location work or does it need to be graphical to the user?
15:19 nlegrand     It doesn't need to be graphical, the user should just see it's not publicly available and should be able to ask for it from the OPAC
15:20 drojf        i like the idea of hidden stacks that you have to search using maps or geo coordinates
15:20 cait         heh of course :)
15:20 drojf        don't listen to me, i only slept 3 hours
15:20 nlegrand     :D
15:20 drojf        hi cait :)
15:20 cait         nlegrand: i think the map is a bit different idea then, maybe not mix
15:20 cait         have to go... dentist :(
15:21 drojf        nlegrand: what cait says, i think the map feature has a different scope
15:22 drojf        oh look, i posted on that bug years ago. heh
15:23 nlegrand     ok :)
15:23 oleonard     nlegrand: I'm curious what some of the issues are for closed stacks. What kind of changes are you thinking of?
15:24 drojf        *puts the map thingy on the »projects to do with more koha playtime« pile*
15:24 drojf        oh, it was already there :D
15:24 nlegrand     oleonard: it's what have been done at BULAC library with a 3.2 version. Sadely, the code is hardly portable to 3.18 (lots of hardcoding stuff and BULAC specificities in it).
15:26 nlegrand     problem statement is a bit like this: koha should be able to know an item is in closed stack and propose the patron to ask for it. When the librarian checked the asked items, he retrieve them from closed stacks and koha should be able to say to the patron "your book is waiting at desk x".
15:26 nlegrand     oleonard: do you know people managing circulation in closed stack with koha?
15:26 oleonard     No I don't
15:27 oleonard     ...but my first library job was working with a closed stack collection, so I see what you're talking about.
15:28 nlegrand     :) we have more than 800000 items in closed stacks, it's an important feature for us ^^
15:34 drojf        maybe a combination of onsitecheckout and a new location (where to pick it up)?
15:47 nlegrand     ho, I don't know about on-site checkout feature, where can I read about it? I failed to find it in documentation.
15:49 oleonard     It's new in 3.18 nlegrand
15:49 oleonard     But even with those options you don't have the request and notification pieces you want
16:03 Joubu        nlegrand: did you read the description of the bug report? bug 10860
16:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10860 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , On-site checkouts (was In-House Use)
16:04 Joubu        nlegrand: the feature does not do a lot of things
16:09 nlegrand     Got it, thanks.
16:09 Joubu        nlegrand: feel free to ask me if you have a question
16:10 nlegrand     Joubu: thanks :)
16:13 tcohen       hi there
16:14 Joubu        Hi tcohen
16:14 Joubu        Did you sleep well? ;)
16:15 tcohen       i'm getting used to sleep a couple hours in a row
16:16 tcohen       an hour break, and so on
16:16 tcohen       heh
16:16 tcohen       Manuel is now sleeping
16:19 ashimema     ooh.. hello tcohen
16:19 oleonard     Hi tcohen, and congratulations!
16:19 ashimema     congrats
16:19 * oleonard   remembers that sleep-deprived time very well
16:19 tcohen       heh
16:20 ashimema     anyone here know how sip connections work?
16:21 tcohen       http://snag.gy/5qUE9.jpg
16:21 ashimema     Colin's away for a week.. and of course.. that's the week they all go wrong ;)
16:21 ashimema     awww..
16:22 ashimema     got my other half cooing here ;)
16:26 tcohen       ;)
16:44 * cait       waves
16:45 cait         hi tcohen :)
16:45 cait         cute baby :)
16:45 cait         ashimema: want me to brainstorm with you?
16:46 cait         i am probably not much help, but at least i got it running on the laptop in the past
16:46 gaetan_B     bye
16:48 ashimema     it's the specifics of how the connections work i'm interseted in.
16:48 ashimema     *interested..
16:48 ashimema     I have a feeling what these guys are doing is plain never gonna work
16:48 cait         are you using an ssh tunnel?
16:49 cait         i might sound silly :)
16:50 ashimema     don't think so with this customers.
16:50 ashimema     they're sticking it behind a proxy. service which seems to be changing it's ip eratically..
16:50 ashimema     so I'm not sure how a connection will ever be especialyl persistent..
16:50 cait         hm
16:56 tcohen       hi cait!!
16:56 * tcohen     is cooking
16:56 cait         i will do that in a minute too :)
16:56 cait         what are you making?
16:56 cait         and how is the little one?
16:56 cait         and the lovely wife?
17:05 bag          hey cait and tcohen
17:06 barton       hi #koha!
17:09 oleonard     How's it going barton?
17:10 barton       I've got an interesting little blivit with the label creator: Sometimes the last line of the label is converted to upper case, some times it is not.
17:11 barton       It's splitting the call number...
17:11 cait         hm maybe something with the callnumber splitting algorithm?
17:11 cait         i think that depends on what you have in $2 - the classification source
17:13 barton       for example "NMI F 19.6 .F64 Spe" => "NMI .F 19.6 .F64 SPE", but "NMI PR 3403 .A1 Cru" => "NMI PR 3403 .A1 Cru"
17:23 oleonard     barton: If all else fails you can try chanting chris_n's name three times while staring into the mirror of a darkened bathroom while holding a single lit candle.
17:23 barton       cait: good call.
17:24 barton       cn_source of 'dcc' is not converted to capitals, whereas 'lcc' is.
17:25 barton       although I very much like oleonard's idea as well.
17:25 cait         :)
17:35 * barton     wonders whether learning mauri tradition/religion would help trouble-shooting Koha.
17:38 barton       oh, and ...
17:38 barton       cait++
17:39 barton       :-)
17:54 cait         :)
18:02 * chris_n    notes he will be back in about an hour or so and check back in with barton
18:03 cait         ... it worked!
18:05 barton       chris_n: I think that I'm all set, actually... unless you're offering to teach me something about the internals of koha and call number splitting, in which case I'm all ears.
18:06 barton       i.e. my immediate problem is solved, but I'm always eager to learn.
19:37 reiveune     bye
20:03 chris_n      barton: you can run the label call number split tests with variation of what you pass in and what you expect out and see if the algorithm works on a given call number as you expect
20:03 chris_n      ie
20:03 chris_n      perl Labels_split_lccn.t 'NMI F 19.6 .F64 Spe' 'NMI,.F,19.6,.F64,SPE'
20:04 barton       chris_n: sure, I'll give that a shot.
20:04 chris_n      although that looks like a ddcn
20:05 chris_n      both lccn and ddcn algorithms appear to expect lowercase out in both cases
20:05 barton       hmm.
20:05 chris_n      so there maybe something munging with it at some point after that in the real code
20:06 barton       I wonder whether the LCCN might be up-cased during normalization.
20:07 barton       ... I might look at cn_sort to see...
20:08 chris_n      that could be
20:09 chris_n      there is some normalization effects which are done by a Koha dependency
20:09 chris_n      I have submitted a patch to fix it to the package maintainer, but don't think it has been applied yet
20:09 * chris_n    looks
20:11 chris_n      well, there it sits... still
20:11 chris_n      https://code.google.com/p/library-callnumber-lc/issues/detail?id=7
20:11 * chris_n    pokes gmcharlt
20:12 chris_n      barton: feel free to add a comment to the bug encouraging the package maintainer to push the fix
20:12 chris_n      and I'd bet that is the source of your problem
20:12 chris_n      bug 10821
20:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10821 major, P1 - high, ---, cnighswonger, CLOSED WONTFIX, label pdf adding in strange breaking
20:15 barton       Yeah, I was just reading through that bug ...
20:18 barton       chris_n: by 'package maintainer', I presume that you mean the maintainer of Library::CallNumber::LC?
20:19 chris_n      right
20:20 chris_n      as you can tell from the discussion on that koha bug, it is rather a problem for some
20:20 barton       Right.
20:24 barton       chris_n: I was able to vote by clicking the star icon next to defect ID 7 here: https://code.google.com/p/library-callnumber-lc/issues/list?cursor=library-callnumber-lc%3A7
20:24 chris_n      great
20:24 barton       I would encourage other members of the community who have been bitten by this to do so as well.
20:24 * chris_n    wishes the entire Koha community would vote
20:25 wizzyrea     mauri?
20:25 chris_n      hey wizzyrea
20:25 wahanui      wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
20:25 barton       HA
20:25 chris_n      I hope those plans include voting up the above mentioned fix
20:27 wizzyrea     are you sure someone is actually paying attention to that?
20:27 wizzyrea     also it's Maori ;)
20:28 ibeardslee   Māori
20:29 ibeardslee   ;)
20:30 wizzyrea     you win
20:30 barton       wizzyrea: regarding the mauri (or Maori, mea culpa), I was looking for rituals which wouild help fix the capitalization issue on spine labels. oleonard suggested saying chris_n's name 3 times while doing something ritualistic... anyway, it turns out that clicking the 'star' icon, as mentioned above, is far more powerful magic.
20:30 wizzyrea     aren't you at kiwicon ibeardslee?
20:30 wizzyrea     if you are WHY ARE YOU ONLINE
20:32 * wizzyrea   is cynical
20:32 wizzyrea     at least you feel like you're "doing somethign"
20:33 chris_n      ok, I've added an announcement to the next general IRC meeting agenda to highlight this issue
20:39 jcamins      wizzyrea: yes, actually.
20:39 jcamins      A cynical Cylon with plans?
20:39 wizzyrea     extremely.
20:40 burdsjm_     Does anyone have a recently returned books feed on their website?
20:40 wizzyrea     no, but it wouldn't be hard to do with a public report
20:40 wizzyrea     I suspect it'd be a lot more boring than you imagine.
20:41 jcamins      Or a little too much like drinking from a fire hose.
20:41 burdsjm_     Well boring or not our director wants it
20:42 wizzyrea     @quote get 123
20:42 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:42 wahanui      http://xkcd.com/1172/
20:42 * chris_n    offers jcamins chocolate in exchange for voting up the above mentioned L::CN::LC bug
20:42 burdsjm_     We use to have one with horizon that let us link them to the catalog so people could click on them and go directly to the item info
20:42 jcamins      chris_n: I decided to go straight to the source and ask the maintainer about it.
20:42 wizzyrea     ah the old "make it like horizon"
20:42 chris_n      I tried that months back, I think
20:42 chris_n      so did gmcharlt
20:43 chris_n      ok, off to roll up a PDF::Reuse release
20:44 burdsjm_     Horizon didn't do it it was an sql trigger that fired when the page loaded.  a pretty hack job when I did it.
20:44 jcamins      He said he'd try to post a response soon.
20:45 wizzyrea     how many are you wanting to show at once?>
20:45 burdsjm_     3 at a time
20:46 burdsjm_     I have a public report that gives the info now but how to change them to links is beyond me
20:46 wizzyrea     sql report library?
20:46 wahanui      it has been said that sql report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
20:46 wizzyrea     ^ has a section about that.
20:47 burdsjm_     Thanks I'll look through it
20:47 wizzyrea     you'll probably also want to investigate displaying json data in a webpage.
20:48 burdsjm_     our website vendor gave me the no json only iframe
20:50 WaylonR      hiya all
20:53 wizzyrea     who's your website vendor?
20:55 burdsjm_     CivicPlus
20:55 burdsjm_     out of Kansas
21:04 wizzyrea     never heard of them
21:07 jcamins      wizzyrea: but they're Kansan!
21:07 wizzyrea     heh
21:08 chris_n      its alive!
21:08 chris_n      PDF::Reuse 0.36 that is
21:08 * chris_n    heads out
21:10 cait         good night all
21:38 wizzyrea     just got a notification from that defect report I cynically starred.
22:47 barton_away  chris_n: The magic star worked!!! I just got a reply in my inbox: Many apologies for letting this linger!  The patch looks reasonable at first glance, so I'll get a new version rolled ASAP.  Thanks for the help, and the reminder!
22:49 barton_away  ... well, clicking on the link, that seems to be his reply to you, not to my 'star' but ... anyway...
23:12 wizzyrea     hassling, it occasionally works
23:16 dcook        :)
23:16 dcook        Which reminds me I need to email the deja dup maintainer some time...
23:16 dcook        He was so prompt with his emails. I'm a jerk for not answering more promptly in return.
23:30 dcook        eythian: you around for a quick package question?
23:31 dcook        Or really anyone familiar with the debian packages for Koha
23:31 dcook        Well, familiar with how they gather dependencies..
23:31 dcook        Ah, might've answered my own question
23:31 dcook        "idzebra-2.0"
23:32 wizzyrea     nope, he's at kiwicon
23:32 dcook        Mmm, that he might be
23:32 wizzyrea     no might about it ;)
23:32 dcook        Ah, my bad. typo
23:32 dcook        I think that he might be*
23:32 dcook        I thought*
23:32 dcook        Man dcook...
23:32 dcook        Learn to type
23:32 wizzyrea     lol
23:36 dcook        Ahh so halcyonCorsair used to be at Catalyst? I've been taking a look at this -> https://github.com/halcyonCorsair/chef-koha
23:39 wizzyrea     seems likely, that stuff is stuff we use here
23:39 dcook        Yeah?
23:39 dcook        You guys deploy using Chef? :S
23:39 wizzyrea     nope, we use debian packages
23:39 * wizzyrea   was looking more at the fabric deploy for drupal
23:39 dcook        Mmm
23:39 wizzyrea     I think he did that as an exercis
23:40 dcook        I gotcha
23:40 wizzyrea     exercise
23:40 wahanui      i heard exercise was important!
23:40 dcook        Yeah, seems like
23:40 wizzyrea     indeed.
23:40 wizzyrea     we have conflicted feelings about ruby.
23:40 dcook        hehe fair enough
23:41 dcook        Fortunately, with Amazon OpsWorks, I don't have to worry about it too much
23:41 dcook        I write the recipes and then give them to Amazon
23:41 wizzyrea     https://soundcloud.com/elementnz/fly-my-pretties-champion
23:41 wizzyrea     for no good reason other than rangi isn't here to populate your playlists.
23:41 dcook        hehe
23:41 dcook        Listening to Massive Attack already, so it's a bit of a genre jump, me thinks
23:41 wizzyrea     mmmm shouldn't be too far
23:42 wizzyrea     well besides "not electronic" vs "electronic"
23:43 wizzyrea     ^ they're from wellington
23:43 wizzyrea     ...and I didn't know that when I started listening to them.
23:44 dcook        Yeah, I think rangi might've mentioned them earlier in the year because of a festival or something..
23:45 wizzyrea     hm probably
23:46 dcook        Hmm, I think I'm going to just try to do this gradually..
23:46 dcook        Tempting to use some of those koha packages without using koha or koha-common though
23:48 wizzyrea     what are you trying to do?
23:48 dcook        No idea what the purpose of "koha-perldeps" and "koha-deps" is though
23:48 dcook        Mmm, that's a good question
23:48 wizzyrea     so you can install the dependencies without installing the full koha package
23:48 dcook        Setting up a EC2 instance that is ready for Koha... without a Koha installed
23:48 dcook        wizzyrea: But why would someone (besides me) want to do that?
23:48 wizzyrea     say, for a not-gitify developer install
23:49 dcook        Is that by design?
23:49 wizzyrea     because they are lazy and don't want to get all the dependencies manually
23:49 dcook        <---
23:49 dcook        That's me :) lazy and don't want to manually handle the deps
23:49 wizzyrea     i mean, what better reason do you need than "laziness"
23:49 wizzyrea     it's the reason most things get done in IT.
23:49 dcook        Well, I just wanted to check if it's intentional or a byproduct of something else
23:50 wizzyrea     I don't think I can answer that. liw might be able to, he wrote most of the original packaging stuff
23:50 dcook        Yeah, I need to corner liw one of these days and talk his ear off
23:50 dcook        @seen mtompset
23:50 huginn       dcook: mtompset was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a good day, #koha.
23:51 dcook        mtompset++
23:52 dcook        @later tell mtompset Good one for the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git :)
23:52 huginn       dcook: The operation succeeded.
23:52 dcook        So glad to be using a Ubuntu EC2 instance
23:52 dcook        Maybe one day we'll use Debian/Ubuntu for all our Koha instances..
23:52 dcook        A boy can but dream
23:53 wizzyrea     what's the reasoning for using opensuse?
23:53 wizzyrea     or whatever it is you're using
23:53 dcook        I'm not really sure
23:54 dcook        I think familiarity
23:54 dcook        And a few command line tools that aren't in Debian/Ubuntu
23:54 wizzyrea     example?
23:54 wahanui      i heard example was probably a status change
23:54 * wizzyrea   is nosy
23:55 dcook        hehe
23:55 dcook        I'm not 100% sure
23:55 dcook        I think yast is one of them
23:58 wizzyrea     i'm sure there is a workable equivalent to that for debian/ubuntu
23:59 dcook        Probably :)