Time  Nick      Message
01:42 waylonR   hiya all. is it correct, that solr is currently in an unusable state?
01:43 rangi     yes, its been removed for 3.18, to be replaced with elasticsearch
01:44 eythian   it's never really been in a useable state, aiui
01:46 waylonR   right. moving koha from 3.0 pre2 to koha 3.14... can i basically copy over my zebra config files, and use the grs1 to dom script?
01:46 rangi     in theory
01:56 waylonR   okay, is it easier to modify the scheme in grs-1, or in dom? i need to make some changes to the scheme before reindexing.
02:12 waylonR   whats the advantage of dom over grs-1?
02:17 eythian   grs-1 is deprecated, because dom is better in ways I don't know.
02:18 eythian   but that also means that grs-1 is presumably getting less support
02:26 eythian   annoying, on a fresh dev install, I get this:
02:26 eythian   15:26:31-04/12 zebraidx(3783) [warn] No such record type: dom./home/robin/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/dom-config.xml
02:27 eythian   and the rebuild fails
02:27 eythian   but fails with no other useful messages
02:34 mtj       heya eythian
02:34 eythian   hi mtj
02:34 eythian   you don't know how to solve my problem, perchance?
02:34 mtj       i've often thought we need some helper script, that detects a sane zebra setup
02:34 mtj       nah, i dont think i do.. :/
02:35 eythian   bother
02:35 mtj       does it fail at the start, or some way thru it?
02:36 eythian   pretty much the start of invoking zebraidx
02:37 mtj       hmm, ok..
02:37 eythian   just emailing the -devel list now
02:38 mtj       running off a 3.18.0 repo?
02:38 eythian   yarp
02:41 mtompset  yarp?
02:41 mtj       are you running koha-rebuild-zebra , eythian - or someting else?
02:41 eythian   rebuild_zebra.pl
02:42 mtj       ok
02:42 eythian   this isn't a package install, it's a dev install
02:42 mtj       yep, ok
02:43 mtj       hum, you might try swapping in a set of 3.16.x zebra conf files
02:43 mtj       ..then try again, see if the problem persists
02:43 mtj       or try diffing a set of 3.16 and 3.18 config files
02:44 mtj       grab some older versions of dom-config.xml, to test
02:45 eythian   I don't know if that file is even the problem
02:45 eythian   I'm wondering if it's zebra-biblios-dom.cfg, which is where that line is from
02:45 eythian   well, where it references dom./...
02:48 rangi     yeah, or its something in home/robin/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/dom-config.xml
02:49 rangi     ie its a bad error message
02:49 * eythian tests
02:50 eythian   15:50:21-04/12 zebraidx(3849) [warn] No such record type: dom./home/robin/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/dom-config.xmlaarrg
02:50 eythian   I think it's an error in some other way
02:50 mtj       hmm, it looks fiddly :/
02:50 rangi     yeah
02:50 eythian   i.e. the path seems to make no difference
02:51 rangi     thats what i found when i hit it too i think
02:53 eythian   the file hasn't changed since 2012 though
02:53 mtj       what happens with a 3.16 version of  dom-config.xml , and  zebra-biblios-dom.cfg , i wonder..
02:54 mtj       ah, scratch that then :)
02:55 eythian   +facetNumRecs:1000
02:55 eythian   ^-- the only change between 3.16.00 and master
02:56 mtj       does a 3.18 pkg install have the same bug?
02:56 eythian   unsure
02:56 eythian   it'd only happen with fresh instances, too
02:57 eythian   but we would have noticed if 3.16 did...
03:02 mtj       hm, yeah
03:04 eythian   https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
03:05 mtj       i'm a bit busy at the mo, to confirm the bug in 3.18 pkg
03:06 mtj       upgrading disks on my dev box... so no dev box to test on, even
03:07 eythian   ah
03:08 eythian   Well, I'm going to stop poking it and see if someone on the mailing list knows what's going on. I'm mostly trying to get elastic search working in this environment anyway, so zebra isn't compulsory.
03:10 rangi     to go along with eythian's link https://www.fsf.org/free-software-supporter/
03:10 eythian   in this case, the SFC one is a new thing they're doing.
03:10 rangi     or if you want to credit me https://my.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=9619  :)
03:11 rangi     yep, SFC are pretty cool
03:11 eythian   hmm, is the FSF one putting a header in some maybe non-english alphabet?
03:11 eythian   "Новости"
03:11 eythian   it links to the news
03:11 rangi     evergreen are part of the conservancy
03:11 eythian   oh, it's going totally cyrillic for me
03:11 eythian   weird
03:16 mtj       nice, thanks for the links guys ^
04:09 waylonR   okay, is it easier to modify the scheme in grs-1, or in dom? i need to make some changes to the scheme before reindexing.
05:27 mtompset  Has anyone ever pushed in a newer version of a core module (Scalar::Utils) into an Ubuntu system?
05:35 mtompset  Greetings, cait.
05:35 cait      hi
05:35 mtompset  Anyone know what uses libossp-uuid-perl in Koha?
05:41 mtompset  my data::uuid (forget the capitalization) is not a high enough version in Ubuntu 14.04, and I'm trying to install Test::DBIx::Class.
05:43 wajasu    fun.
05:55 mtompset  and libossp-uuid-perl conflicts with libdata-uuid-perl, since the former provides the latter, but it is an earlier version.
05:55 mtompset  well, let's see what explodes. :)
05:57 mtompset  Kind of annoying that installation of Test::DBIx::Class is easier under Jessie.
06:07 mtompset  And now I remember why I was trying to get Test::DBIx::Class installed! Shibboleth!
06:26 mtompset  Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
07:38 mveron    Hi #koha
07:40 mveron    The world needs books: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHeh6OPhg4
07:58 alex_a    bonjour
08:03 marcelr   hi #koha
08:14 marcelr   @later tell tcohen  how about $DBversion = '3.19.00.000'; ?
08:14 huginn    marcelr: The operation succeeded.
09:20 akafred   The debian package for koha 3.16.04 ... is it available anywhere.
09:20 akafred   ?
09:28 drojf     akafred: maybe check your sources.list. 3.16.x should be oldstable not (and 3.18.x squeeze) so you probably have to change the file. but i don't know if eythian did the package already
09:29 drojf     *oldstable now
09:30 akafred   We checked yesterday and found 3.14...
09:32 drojf     hm yes i just tried. i guess you'll have to wait a few days then
10:20 gaetan_B  hello
10:21 akafred   Btw is there any reason why old versions are not kept around in the deb repo?
10:29 magnuse   akafred: when i have "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha oldstable main" in /etc/apt/sources.list i get 3.16.04, but that has been there for some time
10:30 magnuse   i guess we don't have 3.16.5 yet
10:32 drojf     magnuse: really? i get 3.14.11
10:33 drojf     3.14.11 0 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/ oldstable/main i386 Packages
10:36 drojf     akafred: i think eythian wanted to reorganize things some day. like getting rid of the name "squeeze" for the stable release. but i don't know if there are plans to keep older releases
10:37 akafred   Keeping old versions around reduces risk ... in case a new release contains a bug that will take a while to resolve.
10:38 cait      good morning #koha
10:38 drojf     hi cait
10:41 cait      hi drojf
10:41 cait      hi akafred
10:41 cait      akafred: lots of questions about opl's project at the swib conf
10:41 akafred   hi cait :-)
10:42 akafred   Cool :-)
10:48 akafred   We haven't really begun building production quality solutions for the semantic stuff, yet, though.
10:50 cait      maybe next year
10:51 cait      i think it will be in hamburg - nice city too :)
10:51 drojf     oh i want to go too :)
10:53 akafred   However we have done some cool devops stuff, like running Koha in a Docker container, running feature tests against the web interface of Koha (so we can do London style TDD) in a build server, plus have gone a long way to convert data from Bibliofil (the top vendor of ILS'es for public libraries in Norway) to Koha ...
10:54 cait      sounds good :)
10:54 akafred   ... have plans to blog about it ... perhaps over the holidays :-)
10:54 cait      akafred: will be someone from oslo in marseille again?
10:54 cait      the date is not set yet - but i think probably march
10:55 akafred   I think so, but nothing has been decided. I want to go, anyway :-)
11:06 cait      akafred: i am a big fan of the hackfests
11:34 akafred   Yeah, great initiative :-)
12:53 cait      ok, libraries with more than 700.000 records...
12:53 cait      anyone?
12:53 wahanui   Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
12:53 cait      need a good example
12:53 cait      :)
12:54 cait      paul_p:
12:55 cait      paul_p: looking for huge koha catalogs - over 700.000 records - can you think of someone?
12:55 paul_p    cait = yep, aix marseille university
12:55 paul_p    (800 000 biblios, 1.3M items)
12:57 cait      paul_p: great
13:05 tcohen    morning!
13:09 nlegrand  hey !
13:09 cait      hi tcohen
13:11 nlegrand  cait: us 992693 bilio, 1289161 items (but the 3.18 version is only in test inside right now, the public one is still our old 3.2)
13:11 cait      nlegrand: nice!
13:11 cait      can you give me the link to your library catlaog maybe?
13:12 nlegrand  cait: http://catalogue.bulac.fr/ nice thing about it : it as more than 350 different languages in it
13:13 cait      :)
13:13 cait      would you say it works ok for you?
13:15 cait      nlegrand++
13:16 cait      nlegrand: stupid question.... but don't speak fench :) is the library just called BULAC?
13:16 nlegrand  cait: it's rather ok, we can work with it
13:16 nlegrand  cait: yes for bibliothèque universitaire des langues et civilisations (University Library of Languages and Civilazations)
13:18 nlegrand  nlegrand: well, we need a lot of improvements, but it's rather ok :) we work with it all day long. It may be a bit hard for our patrons to find books, formations and explanation of how it works is often necessary
13:18 nlegrand  ho that last one was for cait, not for me :)
13:19 cait      ah, what's the problem for the patrons?
13:19 cait      and thx
13:23 nlegrand  cait: we have some complains about finding books, serials, and a lot of noise, but it's rather ok anyway :)
13:38 nlegrand  cait: but if it's about size, I guess it will be the same problem with a less than 700 000 items catalog :). I'm not sure our ILS is far worse than what it would be with only 500000 items :).
13:41 cait      i often get asked about a size limit with koha
16:05 saa       when i search for a particular record in koha in opac i get an error "Can't call method "as_string" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 1608."
16:06 saa       how to figure out this issue
16:13 Joubu     saa: I already answered you last week isn't it?
16:13 Joubu     saa: Was it about a bad isbn?
16:14 saa       u had mentioned that earlier
16:14 saa       but even isbn is removed still same error
16:14 saa       hw can i sort this
16:16 Joubu     Did you find the record with the problem?
16:16 saa       in opac i cant find
16:16 saa       hw can i find that record
16:17 Joubu     saa: Are you able to modify the source code?
16:18 saa       i can modify
16:18 saa       if u can tell me where to chanage and what to change
16:18 Joubu     saa: last week you give me the isbn, so you know the record
16:18 Joubu     edit C4/Koha.pm
16:18 Joubu     Search for "sub NormalizeISBN"
16:19 Joubu     and add "warn $string;" before my $isbn = Business::ISBN->new($string);
16:19 Joubu     reload the page and look at your log file
16:19 Joubu     you should see the "isbn" before the boom
16:20 Joubu     have to go, sorry. Good luck saa
17:07 tcohen    hi
17:07 drojf     hi tcohen
17:17 gerundio  hi
17:18 gerundio  during our last upgrade on koha, we moved the installation to a package based model
17:18 chris_n   lunch
17:18 tcohen    gerundio: yay! life is easier that way
17:18 gerundio  the
17:18 gerundio  Perl modules listing in the koha/about.pt show 2 "Not Installed" and 2 outdated entries
17:19 gerundio  what's the best approach to solve this without updating koha?
17:19 gerundio  I already read http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_install_missing_Perl_modules_on_Debian
17:19 tcohen    gerundio: don't worry
17:22 tcohen    can u share a screenshot of the missing ones?
17:22 tcohen    what debian distro/version are u using?
17:23 gaetan_B  bye!
17:23 tcohen    http://snag.gy/RcSbx.jpg
17:23 gerundio  debian wheezy 7.0
17:23 tcohen    @later tell marcelr done
17:23 huginn    tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:24 gerundio  a little outdated for sure
17:24 tcohen    gerundio: and using the squeeze koha repo?
17:24 gerundio  yes
17:24 tcohen    please share a screenshot
17:24 gerundio  missing perl modules: Data::Pagination and HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench
17:25 gerundio  outdated: Test::WWW::Mechanize and Archive::Extract
17:25 gerundio  do you want the screenshot or is this info suffice?
17:30 gerundio  the 1st module seems to be available as "libdata-paginator-perl - Pagination with Moose" ...oO(it should be pagination and not paginator, right?)
17:30 huginn    New commit(s) kohagit: DBRev 3.19.00.000: keep moving <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae550b8328d24cd104c2040ac4c569c0b8405194>
17:31 gerundio  http://search.cpan.org/dist/ApacheBench/lib/HTTPD/Bench/ApacheBench.pm doesn't seem to be available as a debian package
17:33 gerundio  tcohen, should I worry about it or deal with this on the following Koha (and SO) updates?
17:34 tcohen    tcohen, don't worry about those
17:35 tcohen    gerundio: Archive::Extract is needed by the plugins, and the rest is needed for testing and/or solr support (which i guess you don't need)
17:36 tcohen    so don't worry
17:38 tcohen    gerundio: ok?
17:44 gerundio  tcohen, sorry for the hold up, I went away from the keyboard for a while
17:45 gerundio  it's fine by me
17:45 tcohen    np
17:45 tcohen    most people are shifting to packages, so expect them to work almost flawlessly
17:45 tcohen    we will fix any issue if you report it
17:47 gerundio  tcohen++ thanks, I'll be sure to report any issue as I've been doing so far
17:47 gerundio  it's always nice to work with such active open source communities such as Koha
17:49 tcohen    gerundio: are u using a local database server or is it separate?
17:49 gerundio  local
17:50 gerundio  so far we haven't any performance related issues
17:50 tcohen    great
17:50 tcohen    we had, and it is not straightforward to set on the packages
17:50 gerundio  so we haven't really thought about changing the setup
17:51 tcohen    we have a mysql cluster for the university, maintained by trained people
17:51 tcohen    so we take advantage of it!
17:51 gerundio  on that topic, is solr fully supported by know or is zebra the only solution for indexing
17:52 tcohen    solr has been completely removed by now
17:52 tcohen    (on 3.18)
17:59 gerundio  ok, I wasn't aware of that
18:06 tcohen    there is a lot of work on integrating ElasticSearch, but that's (at least) for 3.20
18:38 tcohen    hi jenkins_koha
18:39 tcohen    @later tell rangi I've installed the Zapper plugin on jenkins, you mentioned another solution, please ping me when u can refresh my memory
18:39 huginn    tcohen: The operation succeeded.
18:55 rangi     @later tell tcohen arachni scanner .. but we want a running koha to run that against
18:55 huginn    rangi: The operation succeeded.
18:59 rangi     any french or german speakers here?
20:07 ram_      hello
20:07 wahanui   bidet, ram_
20:07 ram_      can you speak english
20:08 ram_      hello
21:03 tcohen    hi
21:04 tcohen    rangi: i'll set apache to run on fixed ports on each node
21:06 tcohen    rangi, one of your favourites, on the list
21:10 * jcamins winces.
21:12 tcohen    was I polite?
21:12 wizzyrea  i refrained from a knee jerk "it's only supported by LibLime and looks like ass"
21:13 tcohen    heh
21:13 wizzyrea  but yes you were very nice.
21:14 rangi     its worth pointing out liblime have submitted legal documents saying they dont do Koha .. what they do is KOHA and it is totally different, from their own mouths :)
21:15 jcamins   wizzyrea: I didn't think the early 2000s were that ugly.
21:15 * jcamins considers the <blink> tag.
21:15 * jcamins withdraws his statement.
21:16 wizzyrea  have you seen the staff client?
21:16 wizzyrea  of llek?
21:16 wizzyrea  it's... special.
21:16 wizzyrea  also that email looks trollish to me (the original one) we should not give it press.
21:16 jcamins   wizzyrea: it doesn't look the same as Koha did originally?
21:17 wizzyrea  it looks like Koha did ~3.6, with some horrible additions that make it look sillier.
21:22 rangi     in happier things
21:22 rangi     https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/540580799586652161
21:24 jcamins   rangi: do you have enough library card to make a menorah, too?
21:24 rangi     unfortunately that is all of them
21:24 rangi     but i want more library cards
21:25 rangi     i dont have any from argentina hint hint ;)
21:25 rangi     theres 1000 ish public libraries there :)
21:25 rangi     i could make 100 menorah
21:27 jcamins   That would be a very large package.
21:27 eythian   hi
21:29 rangi     or even some from turkey
21:33 rambutan  cool, I see rangi still has our card up
21:39 tcohen    rangi: we can solve that, have to admit it is my fault
21:41 rangi     tcohen: i forgot to ask when i was there too :)
22:13 eythian   http://librecatproject.wordpress.com/ <-- librecat is doing an intro to library data processing using Catmandu series
22:32 rangi     cool
22:39 rangi     hey cait
22:39 cait      hi rangi
22:39 rangi     can you test something for aleisha and I ?
22:39 cait      maybe
22:39 cait      if it doesn't take too long
22:39 rangi     http://hea.koha-community.org/
22:39 cait      what is it?
22:39 wahanui   it has been said that it is possible to create a patron category that requires a fee payment
22:39 rangi     is the number formatting your way
22:39 rangi     ie . for thousands , for decimal ?
22:39 cait      yes
22:39 rangi     yay
22:40 aleisha   yay!!
22:40 rangi     its picking up your language setting
22:40 rangi     in your browser
22:40 cait      in germany we'd use a thousand dot and a decimal comma
22:40 cait      oh nice!
22:40 rangi     so its doing it right eh?
22:40 cait      it's a bit confusing because the text is still english :9
22:40 cait      :)
22:40 rangi     it does decimal . for us
22:40 cait      so i didn't spot it right away
22:40 rangi     yeah translation would be the another thing we could maybe try to add
22:41 cait      the another :)
22:41 cait      can you add the number formatting to the graphs?
22:41 rangi     to the 0-15000 bit?
22:42 rangi     dunno, aleisha can we? :)
22:42 eythian   hi cait
22:42 aleisha   i think so!
22:42 cait      yay!
22:43 eythian   rangi: the localisation of the numbers in the text is correct, but in the graphs, there's no separator at all
22:43 cait      eythian: that's what i said :)
22:43 eythian   oh
22:43 eythian   so you did
22:44 cait      eythian: maybe you can explain the elastic search patches to me sometime? not tonight tho :)
22:44 eythian   I think perhaps the buckets need to be more dynamic, too.
22:44 eythian   cait: sure.
22:44 cait      :)
22:44 * cait    votes for more cheerful colors :P
22:44 cait      it's so blue...
22:45 eythian   oh, the dancer version number isn't localised, it says "1.3126" for me :)
22:54 rangi     tcohen: are you about?
22:57 mtj       hey aleisha, i'm lovng the new-look hea site, btw :0)
22:57 cait      aleisha++ :)
22:57 aleisha   thank you!
22:57 mtj       what does HEA mean, anyone?
22:58 mtj       horses eat apples
22:58 * mtj     makes up stuff
22:59 rangi     hea
22:59 eythian   maybe it's something in French
22:59 rangi     its maori
22:59 eythian   oh, that makes sense too
22:59 rangi     http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&keywords=hea
22:59 eythian   I'd looked that up already. I'm clearly forgetful
22:59 mtj       aah, i thought is was an acroynm!
23:00 wizzyrea  probably doesn't need to be in all caps.
23:00 cait      well we could still make up one ;)
23:00 aleisha   should i change it to Hea?
23:01 mtj       yeah, i think the CAPS threw me ^ :)
23:03 rangi     good idea
23:03 aleisha   at least that's a simple change
23:06 rangi     cant format the graph legends in any simple way, they are done by the d3 library
23:06 rangi     which doesnt grok localisation afaict
23:06 mtj       'hea' is a nicely fitting word for the app :)
23:08 cait      rangi: ah ok
23:11 tcohen    hi rangi
23:11 rangi     tcohen: was i right about hte DOM thing ?
23:12 tcohen    100% right, DOM has been the default at least since 3.16, so her changes wouldn't have any effect
23:12 rangi     cool
23:13 rangi     time to go get some foods
23:14 tcohen    e noho rā
23:14 tcohen    =D
23:17 mtj       hmm, yeah - the localisation stuff in d3 seems to be a bit fiddly, atm