Time  Nick         Message
00:00 cait         sleeep
00:00 cait         night :)
00:01 eythian      bye
00:16 wajasu       i'm just catching up on some wiki reading and i see DEPR1: non-XSLT search results and bib display templates deprecated
00:17 wajasu       so i guess that means we don't maintain any TT perl code for serach results and biblio details display?
00:18 wajasu       just do XSLT changes from now on?
00:19 tcohen       the templates are still in place, and used to render most of the bolierplate
00:20 wajasu       ok.
00:39 tcohen       night #koha
03:13 eythian      <grantm> http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/mstpan-2/
03:13 eythian      <grantm> http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/mstpan-1/
04:05 eythian      @later tell tcohen can you please push bug 13377 - I'd like rangi to be able to put it in 3.18.x asap.
04:05 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.
04:06 mtj          good info eythian ^
04:50 * Oak        waves
05:10 eythian      rebuild_zebra.pl doesn't complain if you forget to install zebra :/
05:57 * cait       waves
06:26 Oak          cait!
06:41 cait         Oak!
07:29 drojf        good monring #koha
07:29 drojf        heh. morning even. too early
07:53 alex_a       bonjour
07:53 wahanui      kia ora, alex_a
07:56 Oak          Bonjour Monsieur alex_a
07:56 alex_a       salut Oak
07:56 Oak          :)
07:57 Oak          Bonjour Mademoiselle sophie_m
07:57 sophie_m     Bonjour Oak, helle #koha
08:02 magnuse      Oak
08:05 Oak          magnuse
08:05 Oak          \o/
08:07 magnuse      o/
08:07 * magnuse    waves to #koha
08:08 magnuse      kia ora cait and BobB
08:08 BobB         hi magnuse
08:21 Oak          so the problem with 3.18 and Google Chrome on Windows (I posted) disappeared automagically. but .... did not post again, because it would sound more moronic that issue fixed itself.
08:22 Oak          only logical explanation i can think of is that perhaps my uni's Squid was caching some old files from 3.16 and when cache expired the issue got fixed.
08:29 Oak          more moronic not entirely because issue fixed it self but because i posted like, 4 or 5 messages.
08:41 Oak          tough crowd.
08:42 drojf        Oak: things like that happen. i would post a message saying it is resolved now anyway.
08:42 Oak          hmm. okay.
08:45 cait_        @wunder Konstanz
08:45 huginn       cait_: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.1°C (9:45 AM CET on December 03, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
08:45 drojf        hi cait_
08:45 drojf        i see it's snowing in bonn?
08:45 cait_        hi drojf
08:46 cait_        yeah it is
08:46 drojf        brrr
08:46 cait_        are you watching the stream thi smorningß
08:46 cait_        bibframe?
08:46 wahanui      https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372102329503089_animate.gif
08:46 drojf        yes
08:47 Oak          what stream? some Live stream?
08:48 drojf        Oak: http://swib.org/swib14/
08:48 drojf        semantic web in libraries conference
08:48 Oak          oooh. thanks!
08:48 cait_        hm irc connection via webchat doesn't seem very stabe
08:48 drojf        Oak: you can see cait_s back sometimes during the breaks :)
08:49 cait_        trying, but the internet is beiing annoying
08:49 drojf        i saw a picture of that internet
08:50 drojf        https://twitter.com/swibcon/status/537978728325054464/photo/1
08:51 drojf        cait_: https://twitter.com/swibcon/status/537978728325054464/photo/1 :D
10:45 drojf        the swib14 stream sucks today :/
10:56 * cait       waves again
10:57 cait         drojf: streaming is down because we had a power outage
10:57 cait         in the whole street, i think from a building site close by killing a cable or something
10:58 drojf        oh
10:58 drojf        oops
10:58 cait         ltewas completeley gone
10:58 cait         yeah :) really bad timing!
10:58 drojf        ok that explains :D
10:58 drojf        seems to be alright again
10:58 cait         we are back on the nternet now, but they haven't resumed the stremig yet I think
10:58 cait         ah ok
10:58 drojf        they have
11:00 cait         so you see skosmos
11:00 drojf        i do
11:00 drojf        or listen to, mostly
11:04 ashimema     \
11:13 Joubu        Hello
11:13 Joubu        Is there a valid reason to limit authorised_values.category to varchar(16)?
11:14 cait         hmm i think if we were going to change it
11:14 cait         you need to check tables that refer it too
11:14 cait         aqbudgets maybe?
11:14 cait         hm also patron attributes probably
11:15 cait         i think some things are referring to it
11:46 magnuse      ooh, there is a catmandu advent calendar http://librecatproject.wordpress.com/
12:33 tcohen       morning
12:44 magnuse      ¡hola tcohen!
12:44 magnuse      @wunder boo
12:44 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (1:20 PM CET on December 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady).
12:44 tcohen       hi magnuse
12:45 tcohen       what fun stuff will we work on today?
12:45 magnuse      + hail, thunder, lightning and almost storm winds
12:45 magnuse      tcohen: 3.19 :-)
12:45 tcohen       ok :-D
12:46 tcohen       we have reached 1k views on the Koha community video
12:46 magnuse      i'm working on another norwegian specialy - importing data about all norwegian libraries into koha, for use with ill
12:46 magnuse      the video is awesome!
12:47 magnuse      i'll see if i can do norwegian subtitles some time in 2015 :-)
12:51 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:57 tcohen       hi oleonard
12:57 tcohen       oleonard: would you take a look at 13375? i'd like to know if it is a reasonable solution
12:59 oleonard     Sure
13:00 cait         giving up on the windows machine - back from the laptop with irc client :)
13:00 cait         last 3 presentations now
13:00 tcohen       hi cait
13:01 cait         hi tcohen
13:05 cait         did i scare oleonard-away  away<ß
13:05 cait         ?
13:05 cait         typing question marks on the tablet keyboard is too hard :)
13:10 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13377: mark automatic_renewals.pl as executable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8c975d951694a80b73cd1f66e9a9095db2f484d>
13:14 oleonard     Nope cait just stepped out for a moment
13:15 cait         :)
13:15 cait         we just talked about you and how great your work is here at the conf :)
13:15 nengard      morning all
13:16 nengard      I have a series of XSLT edits that we're working on that I want to submit patches for - should each change be it's own bug/patch? or should I do 1 bug listing all changes?
13:16 oleonard     Yay I'm famous in Europe, just like David Hasselhoff!
13:17 nengard      :)
13:19 cait         nengard: depends on the change - i like small step things with easy to follow test plans
13:19 nengard      that's what i figured
13:19 nengard      it's basically changes to make us meet the RDA standard
13:19 cait         ah
13:19 cait         there are some changes in for that already
13:19 nengard      right
13:19 cait         from marcel
13:20 nengard      i just have more :)
13:20 cait         would be good to have a more complete thing
13:20 nengard      so I'm thinking 1 bug per change
13:20 nengard      just didn't want to submit too many bugs/patches
13:20 nengard      but this way if one isn't right we can still apply the others
13:20 nengard      sound like the safe way to go?
13:21 nengard      oh way - i found this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10344
13:21 huginn       04Bug 10344: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Omnibus: add RDA support to Koha
13:21 nengard      cool - so i'll do more little bugs and add them to this one
13:21 nengard      as depends on
13:21 cait         sounds good
13:21 oleonard     tcohen: Your fix for Bug 13375 works but I don't know why :)
13:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13375 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Syspref search highlight styling broken in Chrome
13:22 cait         magic!
13:22 cait         oleonard: actually was talking to denials
13:22 cait         so not sure if you can say europe :)
13:22 oleonard     denials?
13:22 wahanui      i think denials is *honoured* - the quality of the other talks has been very high!
13:22 cait         but you shoudl be
13:23 cait         od a whois :)
13:26 magnuse      denials would be the author of e.g. bug 11786
13:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dan, Pushed to Stable , Improve RDFa schema.org mappings in prog and bootstrap
13:26 magnuse      denials++
13:27 cait         magnuse: go write a normarc version!
13:27 cait         promised to nudge you
13:28 oleonard     Oh I see. Hi denials :)
13:29 magnuse      cait: yup, i should do that. in 2015
13:29 oleonard     tcohen: This is nit-picky, but I think that change would be better with a <div> rather than a <span> because it sometimes contains block-level elements.
13:30 cait         we can still improve it
13:30 magnuse      there is plenty of cataching up to do for normarc. 2015 will not be a lazy year
13:30 cait         we talked also about exposing more information about the library
13:30 cait         like opening hours, teh library's name and website
13:30 magnuse      i have been pondering one page per library
13:30 magnuse      ah
13:31 magnuse      cait: that would be very cool
13:31 cait         i think that was the suggestion
13:31 magnuse      and it could be linked from the library name in the items tables
13:31 cait         i don't know enough about it yet
13:31 magnuse      who suggested it?
13:31 cait         go for it! :)
13:32 magnuse      we already have a popup/hover thing for the library names in the items tables, but i think it might be broken?
13:32 cait         i hope i got it right, but i think that was what denials mentioned  - that we should link to a separate page
13:32 tcohen       oleonard, do u need me to try the div?
13:33 oleonard     I could just as easily post an alternate patch. It's up to you.
13:33 cait         hm it should work  think
13:33 cait         link to the library on the name and tooltip with opacinfo
13:33 tcohen       post an alternate one if you don't mind
13:33 tcohen       i can sign it
13:33 tcohen       thanks
13:35 magnuse      cait: i was pretty sure i reported a bug, but maybe it was fixed. can't find the syspref for enabling it, though...
13:36 cait         it should starting to work when the branch settings have something in opac info i think
13:36 cait         and i thought we had fixed it - it was broken in bootsrap for a bit i think
13:36 tcohen       magnuse: why haven't we patched the installer to show NORMARC yet?
13:36 cait         nengard: not sure about hiding h in 245
13:36 nengard      I have another ticket to explain where to show it
13:36 magnuse      tcohen: it shows normarc if you choose nb-NO for the installation
13:37 nengard      but feel free to reply
13:37 nengard      I'd love feedback before the work begins later this week
13:37 cait         we use that quite a lot and it helps identifying electronic resources in the result list
13:37 cait         i am still tavelling
13:37 cait         it might take me a few days
13:38 tcohen       magnuse: it makes sense
13:39 magnuse      tcohen: that is something i would like to do - move the marc frameworks out of the language specific directories
13:40 cait         and use po?
13:41 nengard      cait - i was going to suggest moving where it displays
13:41 nengard      will put your comment on the ticket
13:41 magnuse      right now, nb-NO has an old copy of the marc21 files from en, because i thought at one point that people might want to run the installer in norwegian and still be able to choose marc21. there is no norwegian translation of marc21, so letting them just choose the en version of marc21 would make a lot more sense than maintaining a copy
13:42 cait         magnuse: yeah - fallback
13:42 cait         nengard: not sure about rda yet - will have training mid-january
13:42 cait         maybe then it will all start to make more sense :)
13:42 nengard      :) rda says that the gmd is no longer used instead use a series of 33x fields
13:43 cait         ah
13:43 oleonard     Yeah and RDA also says that the local cataloger can do whatever the hell they want.
13:43 cait         i think one genarl thng would be that we need to take care of 'mixed record sets'
13:44 cait         so old an dnew records should make sense in display... hope it's doable
13:44 cait         or we might need a second set of xslt altogether
13:47 denials      cait, magnuse - that (one page per library, linked from the library name in the items tables) is _exactly_ what I was suggesting! yay for convergence
13:48 magnuse      denials: yay! :-)
13:48 cait         :)
13:48 magnuse      shouldn't be very hard to do
13:48 magnuse      i can't get the "OPAC info tooltip" to show, though
13:49 magnuse      even with something in the opac info field
13:49 cait         magnuse: hm any javascript errors?
13:50 magnuse      there is one if i click anywhere on the page, but not if i just hover over the name
13:50 cait         hm
13:51 magnuse      testing on 3.16.4, spinning up my kohadevbox to test on master now
13:51 druthb       cait!  magnuse!
13:52 cait         druthb!
13:53 oleonard     magnuse: It works for me in master
13:55 oleonard     Ah, but not in 3.16.x!
13:55 oleonard     Bug 12428?
13:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12428 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "OPAC info" is not displayed in the OPAC
13:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #266: UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/266/
13:55 jenkins_koha Robin Sheat: Bug 13377: mark automatic_renewals.pl as executable
13:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13377 major, P4, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , automatic_renewals.pl not marked executable
13:55 oleonard     Yeah, Bug 12428 hasn't been backported
13:56 cait         hm that explains
13:56 magnuse      druthb!
13:56 wahanui      rumour has it druthb is more trouble than she's worth
13:56 oleonard     wahanui!!
13:56 wahanui      i am a bot
13:56 druthb       true dat
13:57 cait         oleonard!
13:57 wahanui      rumour has it oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did
13:57 magnuse      thanks oleonard!
13:57 magnuse      so i wasn't imagining reporting a bug about that after all :-)
13:58 * oleonard   will work up a patch for 3.16.x.
13:58 magnuse      cool!
14:00 druthb       Wonder when wahanui figured out that I'm more trouble than I'm worth.
14:00 druthb       I mean, I know it's slow on the uptake and all, but...
14:01 cait         i guess it was you telling him that ages ago
14:01 cait         and it's not true
14:09 cait         therw was a screenshot of the koha community website on the screen for a few secnds
14:20 cait         ... here at the conf... to make some sense of that comment
14:29 cait         bye all
14:35 tcohen       bye cait!
14:43 magnuse      denials: bug 13388
14:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13388 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add library pages to the OPAC
14:44 * magnuse    wanders off to make dinner
14:52 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12123 - [Alternative patch] HTML notices can break the notice viewer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab2d2d2590fe4adf4adf6015f0ef441da8ad52a3> / Bug 12852: C4::Bookseller should not be imported anymore <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4179c63d7ea1a087b725b0a8da98537aa1d61949> / Bug 12852: Some unused stuffs more <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh
15:37 tcohen       @marc 111
15:37 huginn       tcohen: A meeting name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8]
15:39 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
15:39 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
15:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #267: FIXED in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/267/
15:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12839: aqbooksellers.gstreg is never used
15:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12841: aqorders fields should not be mapped
15:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12980: GetHistory does useless processing
15:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12852: The "preview" param can be removed serials/claims.pl
15:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12852: Some unused stuffs more
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12839 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , aqbooksellers.gstreg is never used
15:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12852: C4::Bookseller should not be imported anymore
15:39 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 12123 - [Alternative patch] HTML notices can break the notice viewer
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12841 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , aqorders fields should not be mapped
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12980 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , GetHistory does useless processing
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12852 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The "preview" param is never used in serials/claims.pl
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12123 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , HTML notices can break the notice viewer
15:42 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
15:42 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
15:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #256: FIXED in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/256/
15:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12839: aqbooksellers.gstreg is never used
15:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12841: aqorders fields should not be mapped
15:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12980: GetHistory does useless processing
15:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12852: The "preview" param can be removed serials/claims.pl
15:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12852: Some unused stuffs more
15:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12852: C4::Bookseller should not be imported anymore
15:42 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 12123 - [Alternative patch] HTML notices can break the notice viewer
15:56 chris_n      gmcharlt++ #for saving the day... once again ;-)
16:26 phasefx      hey guys, does Koha make use of the number of nonfiling characters from the 245 2nd indicator for title sorting?
16:35 * phasefx    finds sort-strings-utf.chr, wonders if that should work with opac-shelves.pl
16:36 cbrannon     Hey community, got a question...on waitingreserves.pl in the Holds over tab, when you cancel a hold, if there is another hold on the item, will the item be transfered to the item's home library, like the button suggests, or will it actually to go to the pickup library where the next hold is?
16:36 oleonard     phasefx: If that affects anything it would only be with Zebra-related searches I think
16:36 oleonard     opac-shelves.pl definitely does not make use of nonfiling character data
16:36 phasefx      oleonard: roger that, thanks
17:25 tcohen       #koha: is it possible that the XSLTs show the subfields in the order they appear on the record, instead of the order they are asked to by the XSLT?
17:25 jcamins      tcohen: depends whether you're using templates or selects.
17:35 tcohen       jcamins: I'm talking about the template subfieldSelect from MARC21slimUtils
17:37 tcohen       it seems to loop over subfields, filtering in those whose code matches the ones on the subfield list
17:47 jcamins      Right.
17:48 jcamins      That's what it's supposed to do.
17:48 jcamins      What else would it do?
17:48 jcamins      No, wrong question.
17:48 jcamins      Why wouldn't it do that?
17:48 tcohen       If you call             <xsl:call-template name="subfieldSelect">
17:48 tcohen       <xsl:with-param name="codes">adceq</xsl:with-param>
17:48 tcohen       </xsl:call-template>
17:49 tcohen       you'd expect adc would be the order the subfieds are extracted
17:49 jcamins      Yes.
17:49 tcohen       but if the record is saved, say, alphabetically sorted
17:50 tcohen       it would show them alphabetically sorted
17:50 tcohen       instead
17:50 jcamins      Right.
17:50 tcohen       it is not my fault someone decided 111 should be rendered un-alphabetically sorted
17:51 tcohen       jcamins, do u agree it is a bug? or should I ask the librarians to sort the subfiedls?
17:52 nengard      fields shouldn't always be in alpha order - just fyi
17:52 nengard      i didn't read up on marc for that field
17:52 nengard      but it might be in that order for a reason
17:53 tcohen       nengard: make programmers life difficult I guess
17:53 cbrannon     #koha: on waitingreserves.pl, under the Holds over tab, when you cancel a hold, if there is another hold on the item, will the item be transfered to the item's home library, like the button suggests, or will it actually go to the pickup library where the next hold is?
17:53 tcohen       the question here is: do we expect to respect subfields sorting on the specific record, or should the XSLT take care of sorting the way LOC says
17:54 oleonard     cbrannon: Try it and find out?
17:54 * tcohen     expects an answer different than "burn MARC"
17:54 chris_n      I just posted an important email to the dev list; any/all comments, help, etc. appreciated
17:55 jcamins      tcohen: the bug is that your librarians aren't doing their records right.
17:55 jcamins      Well... the bug is that your librarians are using MARC.
17:55 jcamins      Tell them to stop.
17:56 tcohen       jcamins, do we have a way to tell the marc frameworks how to sort subfields?
17:56 jcamins      tcohen: nope.
17:57 tcohen       so you're tricking me, because there's no way for them to catalog a 111 field with the correct (ilogicall) sorting
17:57 tcohen       111	2#$aCongress on Machinability$d(1965 :$cRoyal Commonwealth Society)
17:57 jcamins      Sure there is.
17:57 tcohen       111$a$d$c is expected
17:57 jcamins      Just not in the framework.
17:57 jcamins      You have to change it in the record.
17:58 jcamins      That's why they should always use authorities.
17:58 tcohen       importing from the authority works?
17:58 jcamins      I think so.
17:58 jcamins      Wait, no.
17:59 * jcamins    just tested.
17:59 * jcamins    just *wishes* it worked.
17:59 chris_n      *snap*
17:59 chris_n      did that help?
18:00 tcohen       heh
18:00 tcohen       jcamins, it is a bug
18:00 jcamins      They have to manually reorder the subfields in the cataloging editor.
18:01 * tcohen     thinks the one that will burn is him
18:01 tcohen       *burnt by the librarians
18:02 jcamins      I saw that movie. It was sad.
18:03 rangi        Hmm that's a bit problematic
18:03 rangi        The latest support company
18:03 tcohen       fqdn?
18:04 jcamins      rangi: it goes well with koha.ch.
18:05 rangi        That worries me less
18:05 drojf        why do they have a liblime link?
18:05 rangi        Than the link
18:06 rangi        Snap
18:06 jcamins      Oh, I didn't bother looking at the page.
18:06 jcamins      I went "oh, look at that, someone else ignoring the domain name rule," and promptly ignored them.
18:07 tcohen       do we have a written rule for that?
18:07 drojf        koha.ch is some domain parking thing btw. like koha.de
18:07 drojf        i asked about koha.de, the person said they want 3000€. lol. they keep it
18:07 jcamins      drojf: koha-something.ch, then.
18:07 jcamins      The Postgres troll's company.
18:08 drojf        koha-support-schweiz.ch?
18:08 drojf        the troll is long gone
18:08 drojf        ah yes its http://www.koha-support.ch/
18:09 cait         hm confused -ml?
18:09 cait         i think yes
18:09 cait         on phone, slooow
18:10 rangi        Yeah troll has parted ways and mveron is a valued participant
18:11 drojf        [off] yes only the nice marc stayed :)
18:11 rangi        So I'm not worried about that so much as the links right next to each other
18:12 rangi        On the Chile one
18:12 jcamins      Right.
18:12 drojf        tcohen: i don't think we have a rule and i don't know if we can have one like "you're not allowed to link to whatever on your website"
18:12 rangi        But dunno how to write that email
18:13 rangi        Something like you understand they are different eh
18:13 rangi        I mean they submitted legal documents saying they dont do Koha
18:14 rangi        I'll sit on it for a day
18:17 tcohen       rangi: what about the domain name?
18:18 rangi        On to more useful stuff
18:18 rangi        Did you see the package bug?
18:18 rangi        Tcohen: that ship has sailed
18:19 tcohen       the package bug?
18:19 rangi        Robin emailed the list, there should be a patch in passed qa
18:19 rangi        Re the cron jobs
18:20 rangi        Not a major issue, but super easy fix
18:24 rangi        This bus is too full
18:24 drojf        rangi: what do you mean by that ship has sailed? in general? for that request? if they claim to be involved in the community it wouldn't hurt to at least tell them how that has been handled so far.
18:26 rangi        The domain name is kinda gone but yeah could mention. I think getting the tone right is the trick
18:26 drojf        the company seems to be sigechile.cl, so maybe kohachile.cl instead and forwarding koha.cl to k-c.org is an option
18:27 rangi        That sounds good
18:28 rangi        Tcohen: who was it that presented at kohacon? They were from Chile right?
18:28 tcohen       nope
18:28 tcohen       colombia
18:28 tcohen       there was people from chile at the conference
18:29 rangi        Ahh right
18:30 rangi        Ahh I remember now, thanks
18:30 rangi        They were cool
18:34 rangi        Bbiab
18:35 tcohen       they are cool actually :-D
18:47 cait_        @wunder offenburg
18:47 huginn       cait_: The current temperature in Lahr, Friesenheim, Germany is 2.8°C (7:46 PM CET on December 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
18:48 cait_        feels freezingly cold
18:48 nengard      @wunder 78754
18:48 huginn       nengard: The current temperature in University Hills, Austin, Texas is 13.6°C (12:48 PM CST on December 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
18:48 nengard      finally getting warm here again
18:49 bag          @wunder 93111
18:49 huginn       bag: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 17.7°C (10:48 AM PST on December 03, 2014). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
18:51 cait_        stuck on platform for 15 more :(
18:59 rangi        tcohen: ohh youve already pushed it :)
19:00 cait_        :)
19:04 cait         train!
19:04 rangi        http://hea.koha-community.org/  notice anything differnet?
19:11 rangi        https://github.com/biblibre/hea-app/commits/master  aleisha did some work and Joubu merged it :) i think thats pretty cool considering she downloaded it, installed a db server, installed the perl modules, made the db, and got it all running on her computer and managed to find and patch the right file :)
19:18 cait         very cool
19:32 liw          I don't know if this is a feeling librarians ever have: I've just moved back to Finland, and have today gotten my bookcase and books back. Sorting through my books is a weird mix of "oh no more books" and "oh look, I'd forgotten this gem, I really liked reading it"
19:33 tcohen       bye!
19:33 cait         :)
19:34 rangi        liw: heh i think thats what happens when they do a weed
19:34 rangi        or inventory
19:34 rangi        oh no, another harry potter
19:59 oleonard     bye all
20:00 rangi        https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/540226070041993216
20:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #585 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #585: SUCCESS in 3 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/585/
20:04 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add GoogleIndicTransliteration
20:07 drojf        rangi: nice tree :D
20:10 tcohen       logs?
20:10 wahanui      logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
20:11 tcohen       heh
20:12 rangi        i wonder where i could get a blow up menorah from
20:12 drojf        rangi: http://www.amazon.com/Menorah-Indoor-outdoor-Blow-Decoration/dp/B009SES13M
20:13 rangi        heh
20:13 rangi        there had to be one :)
20:33 tcohen       heh
20:46 tcohen       hi talljoy
20:46 talljoy      hi tcohen
20:46 talljoy      what's new?
20:46 wahanui      new is not instantiated anywhere in bug 11023
20:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items
20:46 rangi        heya alvet
20:46 rangi        wahanui: forget new
20:46 wahanui      rangi: I forgot new
20:46 talljoy      better.
20:46 talljoy      hi tcohen what's new?
20:47 talljoy      :-)
20:48 tcohen       not much, waiting for manuel to come outside
20:48 tcohen       :-D
20:52 rangi        heh, soon now eh tcohen ?
20:53 wizzyrea     I am excited about more kohababies.
20:53 tcohen       yeah, we are on the 38th week, we've been told it will happen "from now on..."
20:53 wizzyrea     you are on "dad high alert"
20:54 cait         :)
20:54 tcohen       yeah, cancelled two trips this week
20:55 tcohen       hi cait
20:55 cait         not quite home yet
21:01 cait         grr
21:02 tcohen       wb cait
21:03 cait         thx
21:26 eythian      hi
21:26 denials      magnuse: I loof forward to trying it out!
21:26 denials      s/loof/look/ :)
21:27 * cait_      waves
21:27 cait_        almost home now  - on the bus
21:28 cait_        it was nice to meet you in person denials :)
21:46 magnuse      denials: i'm not promising anything - would be fun to work on, but here's hoping someone beats me to it :-)
21:46 magnuse      actually, i'd prefer to spend any free koha hacking time on getting semantikoha going
21:49 cait         home!!
21:49 cait         real internet!
21:50 rambutan     cookies!
21:50 wahanui      Cookies are delicious delicacies
21:53 magnuse      welcome home cait!
21:53 magnuse      and have fun #koha!
21:55 cait         night magnuse
22:03 eythian      cait: are you getting the catmandu USB sticks?
22:03 eythian      save me one, would you? :)
22:04 cait         i am sorry, i got only one
22:04 cait         in the workshop
22:04 eythian      aww
22:04 eythian      well go back and get another :D
22:04 cait         you could havetold me about them... like
22:04 cait         yesterday
22:04 wahanui      yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful.
22:04 cait         or the day before yesterday
22:05 cait         and i would have gotten one for you
22:05 eythian      I just saw an email about them now, which reminded me
22:05 cait         gr.
22:05 cait         maybe you could ask them to send you one?
22:05 cait         they had bags full of them
22:05 eythian      I might do that :)
22:08 cait         because now you mademe feel bad for not having one for you
22:08 cait         and oyu need to fix this
22:08 eythian      haha
22:09 eythian      I don't quite see how you not getting one becomes my problem to fix all of a sudden...:)
22:10 cait         hmpf
22:11 wizzyrea     danger will robinson. danger.
22:11 * wizzyrea   senses a travel weary cait
22:11 cait         a bit
22:11 cait         long 3 days
22:12 eythian      and she still has to write up everything she learnt and send it to me.
22:12 eythian      hi kathryn
22:15 kathryn      hi eythian :)
22:15 kathryn      and hi all
22:15 aleisha      hi kathryn!
22:15 kathryn      hi aleisha!
22:20 cait         hi kathryn and aleisha :)
22:20 kathryn      hiya cait :)
22:22 aleisha      hi cait!
22:41 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
22:42 mtompset     eythian++ # thanks for the deb, able to test now without installing from source.
22:42 eythian      no problem
22:43 mtompset     Just wish the test plan step 6 was a little more verbose. :)
22:59 tcohen       @seen dcook
22:59 huginn       tcohen: dcook was last seen in #koha 2 days, 17 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dcook> Well, hopefully maybe not..
23:00 eythian      he's been surprisingly quiet lately
23:06 tcohen       yeap :(
23:18 tcohen       @later tell dcook come back, we miss you
23:18 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.