Time  Nick         Message
23:49 mtompset     I downloaded an interesting free open-source tool (Subgraph Vega https://subgraph.com) and have confirmed ugliness too on my 3.14.x site. It also seems to be taking out my MySQL server while doing it too.
23:49 mtompset     Sucky! This CSRF email got me trying out something, and it's yucky bad!
23:49 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
22:43 eythian      bye cait
22:40 cait         good night #koha
22:30 cait         just testing :) i accidentally disconnected
22:30 eythian      ?
22:30 eythian      r
22:29 cait         t
22:26 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on December 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
22:26 eythian      @wunder nzwn
22:26 eythian      hi again
22:21 alvet        cool
22:18 cait         but i think i am going to use my tablet tomorrow for taking notes :)
22:18 cait         travelling without my laptop this time... got one for work for this conf
22:17 cait         cool
22:16 alvet        so far so good.
22:16 alvet        I moved all of those from my desktop so I can work on Koha while travelling
22:16 alvet        btw - do you remember the surface tablet I had at KohaCon? Its all on there. I didnt think it could take it but its doing well :)
22:15 cait         probably not lightning fast :)
22:12 alvet        yep... started with 2GB per VM and I'm now down to 512MB which seems ok.
22:11 cait         do you have a vm for each?
22:11 alvet        I am running out of RAM hosting 3.12,3.14,3.16....
22:10 alvet        cant wait to install and play with this :)
22:10 alvet        cool! I just got the EDS Plugin ready for 3.16 a few weeks ago... next stop 3.18
22:09 cait         i am quite happy - i think the custom search box is in there too somewhere
22:08 cait         yeah long :)
22:08 alvet        of fixes and enhancements
22:08 alvet        going through the long list
22:08 alvet        congrats on the 3.18 release!
22:07 alvet        Hi cait :)
22:07 cait         hi alvet
21:51 cait         :)
21:47 drojf        awww :) thanks
21:47 * cait       sends a hot water bottle to drojf
21:47 cait         omg
21:47 drojf        i win again :)
21:47 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is -2.7°C (10:45 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
21:47 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
21:45 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
21:45 magnuse      @wunder boo
21:43 cait         brrr
21:31 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 3.1°C (10:29 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
21:31 cait         @wunder Bonn
21:24 cait         i am glad to not be presenting
21:22 cait         oh no sad smiley!
21:22 drojf        :'(
21:21 cait         drojf: i don't lie you then
21:20 drojf        cait: if you really like us, you will just run up on stage :D
21:20 cait         using a vm they provided, so we skipped all the installing bits
21:20 cait         drojf: i doubt they wlil point it my direction :)
21:19 cait         i wrote a simple .fix file today pushing some data to elastic search and a bit of querying
21:19 drojf        cait: are you going to wave into the camera tomorrow?
21:19 cait         eythian: not sure yet how it works - i got questions :)
21:18 eythian      yeah, I don't want it to be hardcoded.
21:17 cait         i only took a quick look at your code today and bugzilla made it a little complicated - 5 patches
21:17 cait         my first question would be about the db table probably :) but i guess that's because you plan to make it configurable?
21:16 eythian      hello drojf
21:16 cait         eythian: i am doing my best, but i have my doubts :)
21:16 drojf        hi eythian
21:16 eythian      cait: I expect you to learn everything and then make my catmandu-realated code better :)
21:15 cait         conf tomorrow and wednesday
21:15 cait         good so far, todaay was a long workshop
21:15 cait         it's fun, maybe helpful for converting data too
21:15 drojf        how is swib?
21:15 cait         drojf: you shoudl take a look at catmandu
21:14 cait         hi drojf
21:14 drojf        hi conferencecait :)
21:13 cait         catmandu is fun :)
21:11 cait         hi eythian
21:10 eythian      hi
20:42 wahanui      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD0mif8R9vQ
20:42 rangi        yeah buddy
20:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12567 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Catalog Statistitics wizard's publication year doesn't work for MARC21
20:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , provide virtual-mysql-server Depends On to facilitate alternate mysql implementations
20:41 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21
20:41 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-*
20:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #5: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/5/
20:41 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:41 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
20:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #2: FIXED in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/2/
20:14 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:14 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
20:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #1: FAILURE in 7.4 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U12/1/
19:25 tcohen       bye #koha
19:21 tcohen       need to load some sample db
19:21 tcohen       oh, damn
19:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #1: FAILURE in 1 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/1/
19:13 rangi        thanks
19:13 rangi        that'll work
19:13 tcohen       will do now
19:12 tcohen       I usually copy the source from another project
19:12 rangi        ahh the old timeout on cloning trick
19:12 tcohen       those errors are because of some timeout
19:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D6 build #1: FAILURE in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D6/1/
19:11 rangi        thanks very much
19:11 tcohen       rangi: i've created koha_3_18 on every node I have access to
19:10 rangi        heh, yeah sometimes rules make no sense
19:09 tcohen       (i.e. we are allowed to unsecure-FTP with which we can upload a php remote shell, but no SSH from outside :/)
19:08 rangi        its not urgent
19:08 rangi        *nod* ill try to catch bgkriegel online sometime
19:08 tcohen       mine are behind some sily rules
19:07 tcohen       probably bernardo's node is easier
19:07 rangi        just need ssh and sudo to it
19:07 rangi        yeah
19:07 tcohen       rangi, do u think robin or you can set that building node?
19:06 tcohen       i've known the guys are using another method for building (lighter/faster than pbuilder)
19:05 tcohen       ah, yes
19:05 rangi        that way we will catch any things that snuck in that stop the packages being able to build
19:05 rangi        if the build for master passes
19:05 rangi        i was thinking we should have one that builds the packages, from master
19:05 rangi        bernardo's node isnt being used currently
19:05 * tcohen     guesses eythian would like a debian-testing one
19:04 rangi        i think we probably have enough nodes for now
19:04 tcohen       on that server I have room for more nodes I guess
19:04 rangi        yeah lets do it
19:04 tcohen       rangi: it is your call
19:02 rangi        hmm do we want 3.18 to build on there? may as well eh?
19:02 tcohen       what you need about the nodes
19:01 tcohen       anyway, just let me know
19:01 tcohen       there's also a MariaDB node
18:59 tcohen       done d6
18:58 rangi        ahhh
18:58 tcohen       they forgot to load them once they recovered from a storage controller crash
18:58 rangi        sweet thanks
18:58 tcohen       they are re-launching d6 and u12
18:58 tcohen       rangi, ready u14 and d7
18:46 rangi        thanks :)
18:46 tcohen       maybe right now :-P
18:46 tcohen       i don't know rangi
18:45 rangi        tcohen: when you get a chance can you make koha_3.18 dbs on your jenkins nodes?
18:43 rangi        morning
18:23 mtj          and tcohen++ for kohacon2014
18:23 mtj          tcohen++
18:20 tcohen       koha++
18:20 tcohen       yeap
18:20 mtj          woah, i just checked... all the 3.x.0 releases have crazyhigh numbers
18:17 tcohen       jcamins++
18:17 tcohen       i think 3.12 won
18:17 mtj          ..i wonder if thats a record?  ^
18:17 mtj          'It includes 14 new features, 120 enhancements and 487 bugfixes.'
18:16 tcohen       i tried to express that on the thanks section
18:16 tcohen       it was a big team work really
18:15 tcohen       thanks mtj
18:14 mtj          congrats and thanx for 3.18
18:14 mtj          hiya tomas :0)
18:13 tcohen       hi mtj
18:11 mtj          oops, after 5pm in france
18:10 mtj          hey Joubu, about?
17:13 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:13 Joubu        @later tell oleonard: could you please have a look at aqbudgets.pl, the td.rows style (datatables.css) is overwritten by the one in the global (staff-global.css). Which makes the display not trivial to read (actually it's dirty). I don't have a quick and clean solution to solve the problem. The clean way is to remove the td.highlight class everywhere, but it's not quick, at all...
16:54 drojf        hi #koha
14:18 chris_n      tcohen: keep me posted if you schedule a dev meeting
14:14 chris_n      but I'm hesistant to push a new ver to cpan w/o some sort of plan in place
14:14 chris_n      not sure what to do there
14:14 chris_n      the real problem will be installs based on the current version will break if the newer version is installed
14:13 chris_n      I've got to look, but I think some refactoring will have to be done in the code in Koha which depends on PDF::Reuse
14:10 tcohen       but a dev meeting wouldn't hurt _:D
14:10 tcohen       i'm trying to catch up with personal life
14:10 tcohen       i should call for a dev meeting soon
14:10 tcohen       chris_n++
14:09 chris_n      it would be good to get as many eyes on it as possible to be sure things don't break too badly
14:08 chris_n      I'm planning to roll a new release of PDF::Reuse which will definitely have some ramifications for the label and patron tools in Koha
14:07 * chris_n    wonders if there is a dev meeting scheduled anytime between now and the end of the year?
14:04 tcohen       is anyone newsletter-related around?
14:00 tcohen       magnuse: would you take a look at zeno's?
13:58 tcohen       i'll try to set jenkins to run those ASAP
13:57 tcohen       yeah, we need more eyes on zeno's
13:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Needs Signoff , Test about UTF-8 (bug 11944)
13:55 magnuse      ah bug 13264
13:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:55 * magnuse    hopes bug 11944 can make it in real quick now :-)
13:31 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=865996d097bbc4cc36fdb5231bacfaed822cfd54>
13:29 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:29 tcohen       @later tell rangi we need to add the 3.18 version to bz
13:29 * tcohen     is jealous of the folks playing with catmandu all together right now
13:21 nlegrand     Hey #Koha!
13:02 magnuse      ah, i love the smell of 3.19 in the afternoon (local time)
12:59 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13214 - Improve performance of acqui/addorderiso2709.pl, stop fetching all import... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e232f3b64abe50eb24b37ae2308678b0f3351481> / Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-* <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9419177a1e39296fe1049b44fb9788eeb4341b77> / Bug 13363: update build script for 3.19 <http://git.koha-community
12:49 tcohen       akafred: you're right!
12:46 akafred      Yep, I specified version 3.18, which didn't work, then tried 3.18.0 which also didn't work. Seems I need two trailing zeros, which is a bit unusual: 3.18.00
12:41 magnuse      akafred: looks like the 3.18.0 package is in place
12:36 cait         koha++
12:36 cait         :)
12:35 tcohen       chinese subtitles, YAY!
12:34 magnuse      akafred: someone asked on the mail list "When it will be available for package installation ?" and eythian answered " That would be about now." 10 hours ago
12:33 magnuse      don't think, just code
12:33 tcohen       will you show us catamandu ?
12:33 tcohen       *to start thinking/working on
12:33 tcohen       magnuse, i was
12:33 magnuse      yeah, just release it now
12:32 akafred      Hello kohalians - is there an ETA on deb-package of 3.18?
12:32 * magnuse    wonders if tcohen has been partying and celbrating all weekend ;-)
12:32 tcohen       are we ready for 3.20?
12:32 tcohen       hi
12:32 magnuse      wb tcohen
12:32 magnuse      eythian has one or more patches
12:32 magnuse      i think maybe i reported something that got fixed
12:32 magnuse      did i?
12:31 cait         you got a patch into catmandu, didn't you?
12:31 cait         yeah :)
12:31 magnuse      ¡hola tcohen!
12:31 magnuse      cait: having fun?
12:27 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 4.0°C (1:25 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
12:27 cait         @wunder Bonn
12:17 cait         sitting in a catmandu workshop currently
12:17 cait         ah, so just quiet
12:11 marcelr      no it is not
12:11 cait         noone here today or is this broken? :)
11:48 cait         but probably at coffee break
11:48 cait         trying to find him
11:45 wahanui      paul_p was last seen on #koha 3 days, 17 hours, 26 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: tcohen nope. I already leaved home: i'm in Amsterdam for the night (after a meeting with g-star today), and tomorrow, going to Germany (koln) ;-) [Thu Nov 27 18:19:10 2014]
11:45 cait         seen paul_p
11:44 marcelr      hi cait
11:44 cait         hi all
11:36 Oak          exit
11:10 huginn       Oak: The operation succeeded.
11:10 Oak          @later tell cait you are marked absent from class.
11:08 wahanui      well, cait is from germany. Ask me about germany.
11:08 Oak          where is cait?
11:08 Oak          ruined it.
11:08 Oak          *sigh*
11:08 Oak          Bobjour Monsieur alex_a
11:07 Oak          magnuse
09:29 magnuse      jenkins having a bad day?
09:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #263: ABORTED in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/263/
09:05 fridolin     hi marcelr
09:05 marcelr      fredericd++
09:05 marcelr      hi fridolin
08:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #262: ABORTED in 1 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/262/
08:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #1: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/1/
08:39 fridolin     hie all
08:00 marcelr      hi magnuse and alex_a
07:58 alex_a       bonjour
07:54 * magnuse    waves
07:35 marcelr      hi #koha
05:51 dcook        Well, hopefully maybe not..
05:50 dcook        Ah, that moment when you're testing a bug and you find another one..
05:25 dcook        Ah, wizzyrea, you were totally right about me commenting in July :p
05:19 Sammy        We have some custom php pages we've written to generate some special dumps of data from the koha db.  For some reason since we converted (new machine build and then migrate) from tarball to package, we haven't been able to get these php scripts to run.  Instead php doesn't parse them so you just get a page showing the php code.  Any idea if anything changed that might be creating a very defined restriction as to what php is able to execute
05:10 * Oak        waves
04:37 dcook        Actually, that's mostly a lie. I forgot.
04:37 dcook        I didn't have time to buy cookies :/
04:36 dcook        Not as big as in my imagination (where they're 5 gallon pales), but still look tasty
04:36 dcook        ooo :D
04:09 eythian      http://imgur.com/MRFl48W <-- dcook, those two red buckets
04:07 dcook        Also, brb I'm getting food
04:07 dcook        what types of cookies?
04:07 dcook        Or more importantly...
04:07 dcook        eythian: how big are the buckets?
04:07 dcook        Gets around the tabbing issue and the bad request explosion issue
04:07 dcook        And then passing that key when browsing
04:07 dcook        Basically what the opac does but using unique keys instead of "busc"
04:06 dcook        But dcook thinks he has a solution!
04:06 dcook        So you can't go back to your first tab and browse correctly
04:06 dcook        Where if you have 2 tabs open, you can only browse the results of the latest tab :p
04:06 dcook        It has a different problem though :p
03:55 wizzyrea     but it doesn't have this problem ^.^
03:52 cait         which c. are you talking about?
03:52 cait         its so silly early
03:51 dcook        and it's not great
03:51 dcook        wizzyrea: it uses sessions
03:51 * cait       wants cookies too
03:51 wizzyrea     he really does.
03:51 eythian      I have two buckets of them sitting behind me, dcook
03:51 wizzyrea     i might be talking out of my butt.
03:51 wizzyrea     the opac feature that does similar things apparently doesn't use cookies?
03:50 dcook        I might actually go out and buy some cookies just because of this conversation
03:50 dcook        Damn, now I want cookies
03:50 dcook        Whereas I just want to stop breakages
03:50 wahanui      OK, eythian.
03:50 wahanui      okay, eythian.
03:50 eythian      wahanui: cookies are also a delicious delicacy
03:50 wahanui      ...but cookies are the solution to everything Chris ;) or http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA...
03:50 wahanui      ...but cookies is the solution to everything Chris ;) or http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA...
03:50 eythian      wahanui: cookies are a delicious delicacy
03:50 dcook        But it would require lots of changes
03:50 dcook        I think I have an idea about the search cookies...
03:49 eythian      ah
03:49 cait         cant - on a train
03:49 wahanui      http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif
03:49 eythian      go back to bed
03:49 eythian      hi cait
03:49 cait         hey koha
03:48 dcook        wizzyrea: shows how long my memory is, eh?
03:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Stable , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client.
03:17 wahanui      well, bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14
03:17 wizzyrea     bug 11369
03:17 wizzyrea     lol.
03:17 wizzyrea     ...and you commented on it in july.
03:15 huginn       04Bug 13265: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies
03:15 wizzyrea     http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13265
03:15 wizzyrea     there's a bug for that
03:12 dcook        Hmm... maybe 30 until I could do it
03:11 dcook        "Local-number:2 or Local-number:1" :D
03:11 dcook        Hmm and only positive results make a cookie... that does make sense
03:09 dcook        And I'm up to... 11 with my tests
03:09 dcook        Of course, I think Chrome can handle about 180
03:09 dcook        Hmm, I wonder if it's not that the cookies are too long but that there are too many..
03:08 dcook        :S
03:08 dcook        I've had it happen on a dev install maybe twice before but never a prod install before now
03:07 eythian      no idea, just saw chatter about it somewhere recently
03:07 dcook        any ideas on the bug no, eythian?
03:06 dcook        I can't reproduce it now though :S
02:52 eythian      yeah, that's a known bug
02:50 dcook        reportedly
02:48 dcook        Hmm... doing too many searches in the staff client will cause the browser to explode...
02:13 dcook        I suppose another thought is to patch DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader...
01:32 mtj          just kidding...
01:32 mtj          or EDS :p
01:31 mtj          they'll probably end up at oracle
01:30 mtj          yeah... $16 million is a lot of... 'consulting'
01:27 dcook        mtj: That's intense :/
01:19 mtj          wiz, yeah/nah is a good description :0)
01:13 mtj          ..something similar in NZ, but with IT services/hardware
01:13 mtj          dcook: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/otago-health-board-fraud-duo-face-lengthy-jail-terms-38708
01:12 wizzyrea     or the mechanical representation of "yeah, nah"
01:11 wizzyrea     or trying to rewrite accounts.
01:11 mtj          me likey
01:11 wizzyrea     it's like git push -f
01:10 dcook        I don't know why, but that's awesome ^
01:10 eythian      http://gfycat.com/PortlyAgileBrontosaurus
01:09 dcook        But I guess that's the difference between 15,000 and 500,000
01:09 dcook        So there would've been a huge discrepancy when it came time to do inventory
01:09 dcook        In the 15,000 case, the person was buying things, then returning them
01:09 dcook        He was still bringing stuff in
01:09 dcook        Yeah, in this case, it looks like it was fairly clever
01:08 mtj          its a common enuff scam
01:08 mtj          sheesh
01:07 dcook        'Cameron was known for refusing to hire professional librarians. “In retrospect, it is likely he did so to avoid discovery by someone with knowledge of normal library ordering procedures,” Bartsch said.'
01:06 dcook        Well, 497,000
01:06 dcook        Although it looks like the library got the 500,000
01:06 dcook        Two years in jail for stealing 500,000
01:05 dcook        http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2008/09/managing-libraries/saskatchewan-public-library-revives-after-former-director-fraud/#_
01:05 mtj          i spent a bit of time coming up with some doozies
01:04 dcook        I'm trying to remember my favourite library fraud story..
01:04 mtj          tight game...
01:04 dcook        I know right?
01:04 mtj          wow?!
01:03 dcook        When confronted, the coworker ran out of the building and was never seen from again
01:03 dcook        A friend of mine mentioned how they discovered a coworker had embezzled at least 15,000
01:03 dcook        Actually, some of the financial stories I've heard lately...
01:02 dcook        hehe :p
01:01 mtj          tho, im guessing you cant delete yr account in that situ?
01:01 mtj          perhaps if they have a bunch of fines/items still owing, dcook?
00:43 wahanui      ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
00:43 huginn       wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
00:43 huginn       dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
00:43 wahanui      @quote get 123
00:43 dcook        @quote 123
00:42 dcook        Although I don't know why someone would to it
00:36 dcook        You know... we might want to build a mechanism so that people can't delete their own accounts