Time Nick Message 00:36 dcook You know... we might want to build a mechanism so that people can't delete their own accounts 00:42 dcook Although I don't know why someone would to it 00:43 dcook @quote 123 00:43 wahanui @quote get 123 00:43 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 00:43 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 00:43 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... 01:01 mtj perhaps if they have a bunch of fines/items still owing, dcook? 01:01 mtj tho, im guessing you cant delete yr account in that situ? 01:02 dcook hehe :p 01:03 dcook Actually, some of the financial stories I've heard lately... 01:03 dcook A friend of mine mentioned how they discovered a coworker had embezzled at least 15,000 01:03 dcook When confronted, the coworker ran out of the building and was never seen from again 01:04 mtj wow?! 01:04 dcook I know right? 01:04 mtj tight game... 01:04 dcook I'm trying to remember my favourite library fraud story.. 01:05 mtj i spent a bit of time coming up with some doozies 01:05 dcook http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2008/09/managing-libraries/saskatchewan-public-library-revives-after-former-director-fraud/#_ 01:06 dcook Two years in jail for stealing 500,000 01:06 dcook Although it looks like the library got the 500,000 01:06 dcook Well, 497,000 01:07 dcook 'Cameron was known for refusing to hire professional librarians. “In retrospect, it is likely he did so to avoid discovery by someone with knowledge of normal library ordering procedures,†Bartsch said.' 01:08 mtj sheesh 01:08 mtj its a common enuff scam 01:09 dcook Yeah, in this case, it looks like it was fairly clever 01:09 dcook He was still bringing stuff in 01:09 dcook In the 15,000 case, the person was buying things, then returning them 01:09 dcook So there would've been a huge discrepancy when it came time to do inventory 01:09 dcook But I guess that's the difference between 15,000 and 500,000 01:10 eythian http://gfycat.com/PortlyAgileBrontosaurus 01:10 dcook I don't know why, but that's awesome ^ 01:11 wizzyrea it's like git push -f 01:11 mtj me likey 01:11 wizzyrea or trying to rewrite accounts. 01:12 wizzyrea or the mechanical representation of "yeah, nah" 01:13 mtj dcook: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/otago-health-board-fraud-duo-face-lengthy-jail-terms-38708 01:13 mtj ..something similar in NZ, but with IT services/hardware 01:19 mtj wiz, yeah/nah is a good description :0) 01:27 dcook mtj: That's intense :/ 01:30 mtj yeah... $16 million is a lot of... 'consulting' 01:31 mtj they'll probably end up at oracle 01:32 mtj or EDS :p 01:32 mtj just kidding... 02:13 dcook I suppose another thought is to patch DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader... 02:48 dcook Hmm... doing too many searches in the staff client will cause the browser to explode... 02:50 dcook reportedly 02:52 eythian yeah, that's a known bug 03:06 dcook I can't reproduce it now though :S 03:07 dcook any ideas on the bug no, eythian? 03:07 eythian no idea, just saw chatter about it somewhere recently 03:08 dcook I've had it happen on a dev install maybe twice before but never a prod install before now 03:08 dcook :S 03:09 dcook Hmm, I wonder if it's not that the cookies are too long but that there are too many.. 03:09 dcook Of course, I think Chrome can handle about 180 03:09 dcook And I'm up to... 11 with my tests 03:11 dcook Hmm and only positive results make a cookie... that does make sense 03:11 dcook "Local-number:2 or Local-number:1" :D 03:12 dcook Hmm... maybe 30 until I could do it 03:15 wizzyrea there's a bug for that 03:15 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13265 03:15 huginn 04Bug 13265: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies 03:17 wizzyrea ...and you commented on it in july. 03:17 wizzyrea lol. 03:17 wizzyrea bug 11369 03:17 wahanui well, bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14 03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Stable , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client. 03:48 dcook wizzyrea: shows how long my memory is, eh? 03:49 cait hey koha 03:49 eythian hi cait 03:49 eythian go back to bed 03:49 wahanui http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif 03:49 cait cant - on a train 03:49 eythian ah 03:50 dcook I think I have an idea about the search cookies... 03:50 dcook But it would require lots of changes 03:50 eythian wahanui: cookies are a delicious delicacy 03:50 wahanui ...but cookies is the solution to everything Chris ;) or http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA... 03:50 wahanui ...but cookies are the solution to everything Chris ;) or http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA... 03:50 eythian wahanui: cookies are also a delicious delicacy 03:50 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:50 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:50 dcook Whereas I just want to stop breakages 03:50 dcook Damn, now I want cookies 03:50 dcook I might actually go out and buy some cookies just because of this conversation 03:51 wizzyrea the opac feature that does similar things apparently doesn't use cookies? 03:51 wizzyrea i might be talking out of my butt. 03:51 eythian I have two buckets of them sitting behind me, dcook 03:51 wizzyrea he really does. 03:51 * cait wants cookies too 03:51 dcook wizzyrea: it uses sessions 03:51 dcook and it's not great 03:52 cait its so silly early 03:52 cait which c. are you talking about? 03:55 wizzyrea but it doesn't have this problem ^.^ 04:06 dcook It has a different problem though :p 04:06 dcook Where if you have 2 tabs open, you can only browse the results of the latest tab :p 04:06 dcook So you can't go back to your first tab and browse correctly 04:06 dcook But dcook thinks he has a solution! 04:07 dcook Basically what the opac does but using unique keys instead of "busc" 04:07 dcook And then passing that key when browsing 04:07 dcook Gets around the tabbing issue and the bad request explosion issue 04:07 dcook eythian: how big are the buckets? 04:07 dcook Or more importantly... 04:07 dcook what types of cookies? 04:07 dcook Also, brb I'm getting food 04:09 eythian http://imgur.com/MRFl48W <-- dcook, those two red buckets 04:36 dcook ooo :D 04:36 dcook Not as big as in my imagination (where they're 5 gallon pales), but still look tasty 04:37 dcook I didn't have time to buy cookies :/ 04:37 dcook Actually, that's mostly a lie. I forgot. 05:10 * Oak waves 05:19 Sammy We have some custom php pages we've written to generate some special dumps of data from the koha db. For some reason since we converted (new machine build and then migrate) from tarball to package, we haven't been able to get these php scripts to run. Instead php doesn't parse them so you just get a page showing the php code. Any idea if anything changed that might be creating a very defined restriction as to what php is able to execute 05:25 dcook Ah, wizzyrea, you were totally right about me commenting in July :p 05:50 dcook Ah, that moment when you're testing a bug and you find another one.. 05:51 dcook Well, hopefully maybe not.. 07:35 marcelr hi #koha 07:54 * magnuse waves 07:58 alex_a bonjour 08:00 marcelr hi magnuse and alex_a 08:39 fridolin hie all 08:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #1: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/1/ 08:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #262: ABORTED in 1 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/262/ 09:05 marcelr hi fridolin 09:05 marcelr fredericd++ 09:05 fridolin hi marcelr 09:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #263: ABORTED in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/263/ 09:29 magnuse jenkins having a bad day? 11:07 Oak magnuse 11:08 Oak Bobjour Monsieur alex_a 11:08 Oak *sigh* 11:08 Oak ruined it. 11:08 Oak where is cait? 11:08 wahanui well, cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. 11:10 Oak @later tell cait you are marked absent from class. 11:10 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 11:36 Oak exit 11:44 cait hi all 11:44 marcelr hi cait 11:45 cait seen paul_p 11:45 wahanui paul_p was last seen on #koha 3 days, 17 hours, 26 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: tcohen nope. I already leaved home: i'm in Amsterdam for the night (after a meeting with g-star today), and tomorrow, going to Germany (koln) ;-) [Thu Nov 27 18:19:10 2014] 11:48 cait trying to find him 11:48 cait but probably at coffee break 12:11 cait noone here today or is this broken? :) 12:11 marcelr no it is not 12:17 cait ah, so just quiet 12:17 cait sitting in a catmandu workshop currently 12:27 cait @wunder Bonn 12:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 4.0°C (1:25 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 12:31 magnuse cait: having fun? 12:31 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:31 cait yeah :) 12:31 cait you got a patch into catmandu, didn't you? 12:32 magnuse did i? 12:32 magnuse i think maybe i reported something that got fixed 12:32 magnuse eythian has one or more patches 12:32 magnuse wb tcohen 12:32 tcohen hi 12:32 tcohen are we ready for 3.20? 12:32 * magnuse wonders if tcohen has been partying and celbrating all weekend ;-) 12:32 akafred Hello kohalians - is there an ETA on deb-package of 3.18? 12:33 magnuse yeah, just release it now 12:33 tcohen magnuse, i was 12:33 tcohen *to start thinking/working on 12:33 tcohen will you show us catamandu ? 12:33 magnuse don't think, just code 12:34 magnuse akafred: someone asked on the mail list "When it will be available for package installation ?" and eythian answered " That would be about now." 10 hours ago 12:35 tcohen chinese subtitles, YAY! 12:36 cait :) 12:36 cait koha++ 12:41 magnuse akafred: looks like the 3.18.0 package is in place 12:46 akafred Yep, I specified version 3.18, which didn't work, then tried 3.18.0 which also didn't work. Seems I need two trailing zeros, which is a bit unusual: 3.18.00 12:49 tcohen akafred: you're right! 12:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13214 - Improve performance of acqui/addorderiso2709.pl, stop fetching all import... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e232f3b64abe50eb24b37ae2308678b0f3351481> / Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-* <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9419177a1e39296fe1049b44fb9788eeb4341b77> / Bug 13363: update build script for 3.19 <http://git.koha-community 13:02 magnuse ah, i love the smell of 3.19 in the afternoon (local time) 13:21 nlegrand Hey #Koha! 13:29 * tcohen is jealous of the folks playing with catmandu all together right now 13:29 tcohen @later tell rangi we need to add the 3.18 version to bz 13:29 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 13:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=865996d097bbc4cc36fdb5231bacfaed822cfd54> 13:55 * magnuse hopes bug 11944 can make it in real quick now :-) 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 13:55 magnuse ah bug 13264 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Needs Signoff , Test about UTF-8 (bug 11944) 13:57 tcohen yeah, we need more eyes on zeno's 13:58 tcohen i'll try to set jenkins to run those ASAP 14:00 tcohen magnuse: would you take a look at zeno's? 14:04 tcohen is anyone newsletter-related around? 14:07 * chris_n wonders if there is a dev meeting scheduled anytime between now and the end of the year? 14:08 chris_n I'm planning to roll a new release of PDF::Reuse which will definitely have some ramifications for the label and patron tools in Koha 14:09 chris_n it would be good to get as many eyes on it as possible to be sure things don't break too badly 14:10 tcohen chris_n++ 14:10 tcohen i should call for a dev meeting soon 14:10 tcohen i'm trying to catch up with personal life 14:10 tcohen but a dev meeting wouldn't hurt _:D 14:13 chris_n I've got to look, but I think some refactoring will have to be done in the code in Koha which depends on PDF::Reuse 14:14 chris_n the real problem will be installs based on the current version will break if the newer version is installed 14:14 chris_n not sure what to do there 14:14 chris_n but I'm hesistant to push a new ver to cpan w/o some sort of plan in place 14:18 chris_n tcohen: keep me posted if you schedule a dev meeting 16:54 drojf hi #koha 17:13 Joubu @later tell oleonard: could you please have a look at aqbudgets.pl, the td.rows style (datatables.css) is overwritten by the one in the global (staff-global.css). Which makes the display not trivial to read (actually it's dirty). I don't have a quick and clean solution to solve the problem. The clean way is to remove the td.highlight class everywhere, but it's not quick, at all... 17:13 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 18:10 mtj hey Joubu, about? 18:11 mtj oops, after 5pm in france 18:13 tcohen hi mtj 18:14 mtj hiya tomas :0) 18:14 mtj congrats and thanx for 3.18 18:15 tcohen thanks mtj 18:16 tcohen it was a big team work really 18:16 tcohen i tried to express that on the thanks section 18:17 mtj 'It includes 14 new features, 120 enhancements and 487 bugfixes.' 18:17 mtj ..i wonder if thats a record? ^ 18:17 tcohen i think 3.12 won 18:17 tcohen jcamins++ 18:20 mtj woah, i just checked... all the 3.x.0 releases have crazyhigh numbers 18:20 tcohen yeap 18:20 tcohen koha++ 18:23 mtj tcohen++ 18:23 mtj and tcohen++ for kohacon2014 18:43 rangi morning 18:45 rangi tcohen: when you get a chance can you make koha_3.18 dbs on your jenkins nodes? 18:46 tcohen i don't know rangi 18:46 tcohen maybe right now :-P 18:46 rangi thanks :) 18:58 tcohen rangi, ready u14 and d7 18:58 tcohen they are re-launching d6 and u12 18:58 rangi sweet thanks 18:58 tcohen they forgot to load them once they recovered from a storage controller crash 18:58 rangi ahhh 18:59 tcohen done d6 19:01 tcohen there's also a MariaDB node 19:01 tcohen anyway, just let me know 19:02 tcohen what you need about the nodes 19:02 rangi hmm do we want 3.18 to build on there? may as well eh? 19:04 tcohen rangi: it is your call 19:04 rangi yeah lets do it 19:04 tcohen on that server I have room for more nodes I guess 19:04 rangi i think we probably have enough nodes for now 19:05 * tcohen guesses eythian would like a debian-testing one 19:05 rangi bernardo's node isnt being used currently 19:05 rangi i was thinking we should have one that builds the packages, from master 19:05 rangi if the build for master passes 19:05 rangi that way we will catch any things that snuck in that stop the packages being able to build 19:05 tcohen ah, yes 19:06 tcohen i've known the guys are using another method for building (lighter/faster than pbuilder) 19:07 tcohen rangi, do u think robin or you can set that building node? 19:07 rangi yeah 19:07 rangi just need ssh and sudo to it 19:07 tcohen probably bernardo's node is easier 19:08 tcohen mine are behind some sily rules 19:08 rangi *nod* ill try to catch bgkriegel online sometime 19:08 rangi its not urgent 19:09 tcohen (i.e. we are allowed to unsecure-FTP with which we can upload a php remote shell, but no SSH from outside :/) 19:10 rangi heh, yeah sometimes rules make no sense 19:11 tcohen rangi: i've created koha_3_18 on every node I have access to 19:11 rangi thanks very much 19:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D6 build #1: FAILURE in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D6/1/ 19:12 tcohen those errors are because of some timeout 19:12 rangi ahh the old timeout on cloning trick 19:12 tcohen I usually copy the source from another project 19:13 tcohen will do now 19:13 rangi that'll work 19:13 rangi thanks 19:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #1: FAILURE in 1 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/1/ 19:21 tcohen oh, damn 19:21 tcohen need to load some sample db 19:25 tcohen bye #koha 20:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #1: FAILURE in 7.4 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U12/1/ 20:14 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 20:14 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 20:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #2: FIXED in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/2/ 20:41 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 20:41 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 20:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #5: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/5/ 20:41 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-* 20:41 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21 20:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , provide virtual-mysql-server Depends On to facilitate alternate mysql implementations 20:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12567 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Catalog Statistitics wizard's publication year doesn't work for MARC21 20:42 rangi yeah buddy 20:42 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD0mif8R9vQ 21:10 eythian hi 21:11 cait hi eythian 21:13 cait catmandu is fun :) 21:14 drojf hi conferencecait :) 21:14 cait hi drojf 21:15 cait drojf: you shoudl take a look at catmandu 21:15 drojf how is swib? 21:15 cait it's fun, maybe helpful for converting data too 21:15 cait good so far, todaay was a long workshop 21:15 cait conf tomorrow and wednesday 21:16 eythian cait: I expect you to learn everything and then make my catmandu-realated code better :) 21:16 drojf hi eythian 21:16 cait eythian: i am doing my best, but i have my doubts :) 21:16 eythian hello drojf 21:17 cait my first question would be about the db table probably :) but i guess that's because you plan to make it configurable? 21:17 cait i only took a quick look at your code today and bugzilla made it a little complicated - 5 patches 21:18 eythian yeah, I don't want it to be hardcoded. 21:19 cait eythian: not sure yet how it works - i got questions :) 21:19 drojf cait: are you going to wave into the camera tomorrow? 21:19 cait i wrote a simple .fix file today pushing some data to elastic search and a bit of querying 21:20 cait drojf: i doubt they wlil point it my direction :) 21:20 cait using a vm they provided, so we skipped all the installing bits 21:20 drojf cait: if you really like us, you will just run up on stage :D 21:21 cait drojf: i don't lie you then 21:22 drojf :'( 21:22 cait oh no sad smiley! 21:24 cait i am glad to not be presenting 21:31 cait @wunder Bonn 21:31 huginn cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 3.1°C (10:29 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 21:43 cait brrr 21:45 magnuse @wunder boo 21:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 21:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 21:47 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is -2.7°C (10:45 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 21:47 drojf i win again :) 21:47 cait omg 21:47 * cait sends a hot water bottle to drojf 21:47 drojf awww :) thanks 21:51 cait :) 22:07 cait hi alvet 22:07 alvet Hi cait :) 22:08 alvet congrats on the 3.18 release! 22:08 alvet going through the long list 22:08 alvet of fixes and enhancements 22:08 cait yeah long :) 22:09 cait i am quite happy - i think the custom search box is in there too somewhere 22:10 alvet cool! I just got the EDS Plugin ready for 3.16 a few weeks ago... next stop 3.18 22:10 alvet cant wait to install and play with this :) 22:11 alvet I am running out of RAM hosting 3.12,3.14,3.16.... 22:11 cait do you have a vm for each? 22:12 alvet yep... started with 2GB per VM and I'm now down to 512MB which seems ok. 22:15 cait probably not lightning fast :) 22:16 alvet btw - do you remember the surface tablet I had at KohaCon? Its all on there. I didnt think it could take it but its doing well :) 22:16 alvet I moved all of those from my desktop so I can work on Koha while travelling 22:16 alvet so far so good. 22:17 cait cool 22:18 cait travelling without my laptop this time... got one for work for this conf 22:18 cait but i think i am going to use my tablet tomorrow for taking notes :) 22:21 alvet cool 22:26 eythian hi again 22:26 eythian @wunder nzwn 22:26 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on December 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 22:29 cait t 22:30 eythian r 22:30 eythian ? 22:30 cait just testing :) i accidentally disconnected 22:40 cait good night #koha 22:43 eythian bye cait 23:49 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 23:49 mtompset Sucky! This CSRF email got me trying out something, and it's yucky bad! 23:49 mtompset I downloaded an interesting free open-source tool (Subgraph Vega https://subgraph.com) and have confirmed ugliness too on my 3.14.x site. It also seems to be taking out my MySQL server while doing it too.