Time  Nick         Message
00:36 dcook        You know... we might want to build a mechanism so that people can't delete their own accounts
00:42 dcook        Although I don't know why someone would to it
00:43 dcook        @quote 123
00:43 wahanui      @quote get 123
00:43 huginn       dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
00:43 huginn       wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
00:43 wahanui      ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
01:01 mtj          perhaps if they have a bunch of fines/items still owing, dcook?
01:01 mtj          tho, im guessing you cant delete yr account in that situ?
01:02 dcook        hehe :p
01:03 dcook        Actually, some of the financial stories I've heard lately...
01:03 dcook        A friend of mine mentioned how they discovered a coworker had embezzled at least 15,000
01:03 dcook        When confronted, the coworker ran out of the building and was never seen from again
01:04 mtj          wow?!
01:04 dcook        I know right?
01:04 mtj          tight game...
01:04 dcook        I'm trying to remember my favourite library fraud story..
01:05 mtj          i spent a bit of time coming up with some doozies
01:05 dcook        http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2008/09/managing-libraries/saskatchewan-public-library-revives-after-former-director-fraud/#_
01:06 dcook        Two years in jail for stealing 500,000
01:06 dcook        Although it looks like the library got the 500,000
01:06 dcook        Well, 497,000
01:07 dcook        'Cameron was known for refusing to hire professional librarians. “In retrospect, it is likely he did so to avoid discovery by someone with knowledge of normal library ordering procedures,” Bartsch said.'
01:08 mtj          sheesh
01:08 mtj          its a common enuff scam
01:09 dcook        Yeah, in this case, it looks like it was fairly clever
01:09 dcook        He was still bringing stuff in
01:09 dcook        In the 15,000 case, the person was buying things, then returning them
01:09 dcook        So there would've been a huge discrepancy when it came time to do inventory
01:09 dcook        But I guess that's the difference between 15,000 and 500,000
01:10 eythian      http://gfycat.com/PortlyAgileBrontosaurus
01:10 dcook        I don't know why, but that's awesome ^
01:11 wizzyrea     it's like git push -f
01:11 mtj          me likey
01:11 wizzyrea     or trying to rewrite accounts.
01:12 wizzyrea     or the mechanical representation of "yeah, nah"
01:13 mtj          dcook: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/otago-health-board-fraud-duo-face-lengthy-jail-terms-38708
01:13 mtj          ..something similar in NZ, but with IT services/hardware
01:19 mtj          wiz, yeah/nah is a good description :0)
01:27 dcook        mtj: That's intense :/
01:30 mtj          yeah... $16 million is a lot of... 'consulting'
01:31 mtj          they'll probably end up at oracle
01:32 mtj          or EDS :p
01:32 mtj          just kidding...
02:13 dcook        I suppose another thought is to patch DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader...
02:48 dcook        Hmm... doing too many searches in the staff client will cause the browser to explode...
02:50 dcook        reportedly
02:52 eythian      yeah, that's a known bug
03:06 dcook        I can't reproduce it now though :S
03:07 dcook        any ideas on the bug no, eythian?
03:07 eythian      no idea, just saw chatter about it somewhere recently
03:08 dcook        I've had it happen on a dev install maybe twice before but never a prod install before now
03:08 dcook        :S
03:09 dcook        Hmm, I wonder if it's not that the cookies are too long but that there are too many..
03:09 dcook        Of course, I think Chrome can handle about 180
03:09 dcook        And I'm up to... 11 with my tests
03:11 dcook        Hmm and only positive results make a cookie... that does make sense
03:11 dcook        "Local-number:2 or Local-number:1" :D
03:12 dcook        Hmm... maybe 30 until I could do it
03:15 wizzyrea     there's a bug for that
03:15 wizzyrea     http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13265
03:15 huginn       04Bug 13265: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies
03:17 wizzyrea     ...and you commented on it in july.
03:17 wizzyrea     lol.
03:17 wizzyrea     bug 11369
03:17 wahanui      well, bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14
03:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Stable , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client.
03:48 dcook        wizzyrea: shows how long my memory is, eh?
03:49 cait         hey koha
03:49 eythian      hi cait
03:49 eythian      go back to bed
03:49 wahanui      http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif
03:49 cait         cant - on a train
03:49 eythian      ah
03:50 dcook        I think I have an idea about the search cookies...
03:50 dcook        But it would require lots of changes
03:50 eythian      wahanui: cookies are a delicious delicacy
03:50 wahanui      ...but cookies is the solution to everything Chris ;) or http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA...
03:50 wahanui      ...but cookies are the solution to everything Chris ;) or http://youtu.be/ZJlkplvYdgA...
03:50 eythian      wahanui: cookies are also a delicious delicacy
03:50 wahanui      okay, eythian.
03:50 wahanui      OK, eythian.
03:50 dcook        Whereas I just want to stop breakages
03:50 dcook        Damn, now I want cookies
03:50 dcook        I might actually go out and buy some cookies just because of this conversation
03:51 wizzyrea     the opac feature that does similar things apparently doesn't use cookies?
03:51 wizzyrea     i might be talking out of my butt.
03:51 eythian      I have two buckets of them sitting behind me, dcook
03:51 wizzyrea     he really does.
03:51 * cait       wants cookies too
03:51 dcook        wizzyrea: it uses sessions
03:51 dcook        and it's not great
03:52 cait         its so silly early
03:52 cait         which c. are you talking about?
03:55 wizzyrea     but it doesn't have this problem ^.^
04:06 dcook        It has a different problem though :p
04:06 dcook        Where if you have 2 tabs open, you can only browse the results of the latest tab :p
04:06 dcook        So you can't go back to your first tab and browse correctly
04:06 dcook        But dcook thinks he has a solution!
04:07 dcook        Basically what the opac does but using unique keys instead of "busc"
04:07 dcook        And then passing that key when browsing
04:07 dcook        Gets around the tabbing issue and the bad request explosion issue
04:07 dcook        eythian: how big are the buckets?
04:07 dcook        Or more importantly...
04:07 dcook        what types of cookies?
04:07 dcook        Also, brb I'm getting food
04:09 eythian      http://imgur.com/MRFl48W <-- dcook, those two red buckets
04:36 dcook        ooo :D
04:36 dcook        Not as big as in my imagination (where they're 5 gallon pales), but still look tasty
04:37 dcook        I didn't have time to buy cookies :/
04:37 dcook        Actually, that's mostly a lie. I forgot.
05:10 * Oak        waves
05:19 Sammy        We have some custom php pages we've written to generate some special dumps of data from the koha db.  For some reason since we converted (new machine build and then migrate) from tarball to package, we haven't been able to get these php scripts to run.  Instead php doesn't parse them so you just get a page showing the php code.  Any idea if anything changed that might be creating a very defined restriction as to what php is able to execute
05:25 dcook        Ah, wizzyrea, you were totally right about me commenting in July :p
05:50 dcook        Ah, that moment when you're testing a bug and you find another one..
05:51 dcook        Well, hopefully maybe not..
07:35 marcelr      hi #koha
07:54 * magnuse    waves
07:58 alex_a       bonjour
08:00 marcelr      hi magnuse and alex_a
08:39 fridolin     hie all
08:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #1: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/1/
08:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #262: ABORTED in 1 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/262/
09:05 marcelr      hi fridolin
09:05 marcelr      fredericd++
09:05 fridolin     hi marcelr
09:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #263: ABORTED in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/263/
09:29 magnuse      jenkins having a bad day?
11:07 Oak          magnuse
11:08 Oak          Bobjour Monsieur alex_a
11:08 Oak          *sigh*
11:08 Oak          ruined it.
11:08 Oak          where is cait?
11:08 wahanui      well, cait is from germany. Ask me about germany.
11:10 Oak          @later tell cait you are marked absent from class.
11:10 huginn       Oak: The operation succeeded.
11:36 Oak          exit
11:44 cait         hi all
11:44 marcelr      hi cait
11:45 cait         seen paul_p
11:45 wahanui      paul_p was last seen on #koha 3 days, 17 hours, 26 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: tcohen nope. I already leaved home: i'm in Amsterdam for the night (after a meeting with g-star today), and tomorrow, going to Germany (koln) ;-) [Thu Nov 27 18:19:10 2014]
11:48 cait         trying to find him
11:48 cait         but probably at coffee break
12:11 cait         noone here today or is this broken? :)
12:11 marcelr      no it is not
12:17 cait         ah, so just quiet
12:17 cait         sitting in a catmandu workshop currently
12:27 cait         @wunder Bonn
12:27 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 4.0°C (1:25 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
12:31 magnuse      cait: having fun?
12:31 magnuse      ¡hola tcohen!
12:31 cait         yeah :)
12:31 cait         you got a patch into catmandu, didn't you?
12:32 magnuse      did i?
12:32 magnuse      i think maybe i reported something that got fixed
12:32 magnuse      eythian has one or more patches
12:32 magnuse      wb tcohen
12:32 tcohen       hi
12:32 tcohen       are we ready for 3.20?
12:32 * magnuse    wonders if tcohen has been partying and celbrating all weekend ;-)
12:32 akafred      Hello kohalians - is there an ETA on deb-package of 3.18?
12:33 magnuse      yeah, just release it now
12:33 tcohen       magnuse, i was
12:33 tcohen       *to start thinking/working on
12:33 tcohen       will you show us catamandu ?
12:33 magnuse      don't think, just code
12:34 magnuse      akafred: someone asked on the mail list "When it will be available for package installation ?" and eythian answered " That would be about now." 10 hours ago
12:35 tcohen       chinese subtitles, YAY!
12:36 cait         :)
12:36 cait         koha++
12:41 magnuse      akafred: looks like the 3.18.0 package is in place
12:46 akafred      Yep, I specified version 3.18, which didn't work, then tried 3.18.0 which also didn't work. Seems I need two trailing zeros, which is a bit unusual: 3.18.00
12:49 tcohen       akafred: you're right!
12:59 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13214 - Improve performance of acqui/addorderiso2709.pl, stop fetching all import... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e232f3b64abe50eb24b37ae2308678b0f3351481> / Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-* <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9419177a1e39296fe1049b44fb9788eeb4341b77> / Bug 13363: update build script for 3.19 <http://git.koha-community
13:02 magnuse      ah, i love the smell of 3.19 in the afternoon (local time)
13:21 nlegrand     Hey #Koha!
13:29 * tcohen     is jealous of the folks playing with catmandu all together right now
13:29 tcohen       @later tell rangi we need to add the 3.18 version to bz
13:29 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:31 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=865996d097bbc4cc36fdb5231bacfaed822cfd54>
13:55 * magnuse    hopes bug 11944 can make it in real quick now :-)
13:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:55 magnuse      ah bug 13264
13:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Needs Signoff , Test about UTF-8 (bug 11944)
13:57 tcohen       yeah, we need more eyes on zeno's
13:58 tcohen       i'll try to set jenkins to run those ASAP
14:00 tcohen       magnuse: would you take a look at zeno's?
14:04 tcohen       is anyone newsletter-related around?
14:07 * chris_n    wonders if there is a dev meeting scheduled anytime between now and the end of the year?
14:08 chris_n      I'm planning to roll a new release of PDF::Reuse which will definitely have some ramifications for the label and patron tools in Koha
14:09 chris_n      it would be good to get as many eyes on it as possible to be sure things don't break too badly
14:10 tcohen       chris_n++
14:10 tcohen       i should call for a dev meeting soon
14:10 tcohen       i'm trying to catch up with personal life
14:10 tcohen       but a dev meeting wouldn't hurt _:D
14:13 chris_n      I've got to look, but I think some refactoring will have to be done in the code in Koha which depends on PDF::Reuse
14:14 chris_n      the real problem will be installs based on the current version will break if the newer version is installed
14:14 chris_n      not sure what to do there
14:14 chris_n      but I'm hesistant to push a new ver to cpan w/o some sort of plan in place
14:18 chris_n      tcohen: keep me posted if you schedule a dev meeting
16:54 drojf        hi #koha
17:13 Joubu        @later tell oleonard: could you please have a look at aqbudgets.pl, the td.rows style (datatables.css) is overwritten by the one in the global (staff-global.css). Which makes the display not trivial to read (actually it's dirty). I don't have a quick and clean solution to solve the problem. The clean way is to remove the td.highlight class everywhere, but it's not quick, at all...
17:13 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:10 mtj          hey Joubu, about?
18:11 mtj          oops, after 5pm in france
18:13 tcohen       hi mtj
18:14 mtj          hiya tomas :0)
18:14 mtj          congrats and thanx for 3.18
18:15 tcohen       thanks mtj
18:16 tcohen       it was a big team work really
18:16 tcohen       i tried to express that on the thanks section
18:17 mtj          'It includes 14 new features, 120 enhancements and 487 bugfixes.'
18:17 mtj          ..i wonder if thats a record?  ^
18:17 tcohen       i think 3.12 won
18:17 tcohen       jcamins++
18:20 mtj          woah, i just checked... all the 3.x.0 releases have crazyhigh numbers
18:20 tcohen       yeap
18:20 tcohen       koha++
18:23 mtj          tcohen++
18:23 mtj          and tcohen++ for kohacon2014
18:43 rangi        morning
18:45 rangi        tcohen: when you get a chance can you make koha_3.18 dbs on your jenkins nodes?
18:46 tcohen       i don't know rangi
18:46 tcohen       maybe right now :-P
18:46 rangi        thanks :)
18:58 tcohen       rangi, ready u14 and d7
18:58 tcohen       they are re-launching d6 and u12
18:58 rangi        sweet thanks
18:58 tcohen       they forgot to load them once they recovered from a storage controller crash
18:58 rangi        ahhh
18:59 tcohen       done d6
19:01 tcohen       there's also a MariaDB node
19:01 tcohen       anyway, just let me know
19:02 tcohen       what you need about the nodes
19:02 rangi        hmm do we want 3.18 to build on there? may as well eh?
19:04 tcohen       rangi: it is your call
19:04 rangi        yeah lets do it
19:04 tcohen       on that server I have room for more nodes I guess
19:04 rangi        i think we probably have enough nodes for now
19:05 * tcohen     guesses eythian would like a debian-testing one
19:05 rangi        bernardo's node isnt being used currently
19:05 rangi        i was thinking we should have one that builds the packages, from master
19:05 rangi        if the build for master passes
19:05 rangi        that way we will catch any things that snuck in that stop the packages being able to build
19:05 tcohen       ah, yes
19:06 tcohen       i've known the guys are using another method for building (lighter/faster than pbuilder)
19:07 tcohen       rangi, do u think robin or you can set that building node?
19:07 rangi        yeah
19:07 rangi        just need ssh and sudo to it
19:07 tcohen       probably bernardo's node is easier
19:08 tcohen       mine are behind some sily rules
19:08 rangi        *nod* ill try to catch bgkriegel online sometime
19:08 rangi        its not urgent
19:09 tcohen       (i.e. we are allowed to unsecure-FTP with which we can upload a php remote shell, but no SSH from outside :/)
19:10 rangi        heh, yeah sometimes rules make no sense
19:11 tcohen       rangi: i've created koha_3_18 on every node I have access to
19:11 rangi        thanks very much
19:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D6 build #1: FAILURE in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D6/1/
19:12 tcohen       those errors are because of some timeout
19:12 rangi        ahh the old timeout on cloning trick
19:12 tcohen       I usually copy the source from another project
19:13 tcohen       will do now
19:13 rangi        that'll work
19:13 rangi        thanks
19:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #1: FAILURE in 1 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/1/
19:21 tcohen       oh, damn
19:21 tcohen       need to load some sample db
19:25 tcohen       bye #koha
20:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #1: FAILURE in 7.4 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U12/1/
20:14 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
20:14 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #2: FIXED in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_U14/2/
20:41 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
20:41 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #5: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/5/
20:41 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-*
20:41 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21
20:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , provide virtual-mysql-server Depends On to facilitate alternate mysql implementations
20:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12567 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Catalog Statistitics wizard's publication year doesn't work for MARC21
20:42 rangi        yeah buddy
20:42 wahanui      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD0mif8R9vQ
21:10 eythian      hi
21:11 cait         hi eythian
21:13 cait         catmandu is fun :)
21:14 drojf        hi conferencecait :)
21:14 cait         hi drojf
21:15 cait         drojf: you shoudl take a look at catmandu
21:15 drojf        how is swib?
21:15 cait         it's fun, maybe helpful for converting data too
21:15 cait         good so far, todaay was a long workshop
21:15 cait         conf tomorrow and wednesday
21:16 eythian      cait: I expect you to learn everything and then make my catmandu-realated code better :)
21:16 drojf        hi eythian
21:16 cait         eythian: i am doing my best, but i have my doubts :)
21:16 eythian      hello drojf
21:17 cait         my first question would be about the db table probably :) but i guess that's because you plan to make it configurable?
21:17 cait         i only took a quick look at your code today and bugzilla made it a little complicated - 5 patches
21:18 eythian      yeah, I don't want it to be hardcoded.
21:19 cait         eythian: not sure yet how it works - i got questions :)
21:19 drojf        cait: are you going to wave into the camera tomorrow?
21:19 cait         i wrote a simple .fix file today pushing some data to elastic search and a bit of querying
21:20 cait         drojf: i doubt they wlil point it my direction :)
21:20 cait         using a vm they provided, so we skipped all the installing bits
21:20 drojf        cait: if you really like us, you will just run up on stage :D
21:21 cait         drojf: i don't lie you then
21:22 drojf        :'(
21:22 cait         oh no sad smiley!
21:24 cait         i am glad to not be presenting
21:31 cait         @wunder Bonn
21:31 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 3.1°C (10:29 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
21:43 cait         brrr
21:45 magnuse      @wunder boo
21:45 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
21:47 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
21:47 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is -2.7°C (10:45 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
21:47 drojf        i win again :)
21:47 cait         omg
21:47 * cait       sends a hot water bottle to drojf
21:47 drojf        awww :) thanks
21:51 cait         :)
22:07 cait         hi alvet
22:07 alvet        Hi cait :)
22:08 alvet        congrats on the 3.18 release!
22:08 alvet        going through the long list
22:08 alvet        of fixes and enhancements
22:08 cait         yeah long :)
22:09 cait         i am quite happy - i think the custom search box is in there too somewhere
22:10 alvet        cool! I just got the EDS Plugin ready for 3.16 a few weeks ago... next stop 3.18
22:10 alvet        cant wait to install and play with this :)
22:11 alvet        I am running out of RAM hosting 3.12,3.14,3.16....
22:11 cait         do you have a vm for each?
22:12 alvet        yep... started with 2GB per VM and I'm now down to 512MB which seems ok.
22:15 cait         probably not lightning fast :)
22:16 alvet        btw - do you remember the surface tablet I had at KohaCon? Its all on there. I didnt think it could take it but its doing well :)
22:16 alvet        I moved all of those from my desktop so I can work on Koha while travelling
22:16 alvet        so far so good.
22:17 cait         cool
22:18 cait         travelling without my laptop this time... got one for work for this conf
22:18 cait         but i think i am going to use my tablet tomorrow for taking notes :)
22:21 alvet        cool
22:26 eythian      hi again
22:26 eythian      @wunder nzwn
22:26 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on December 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
22:29 cait         t
22:30 eythian      r
22:30 eythian      ?
22:30 cait         just testing :) i accidentally disconnected
22:40 cait         good night #koha
22:43 eythian      bye cait
23:49 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
23:49 mtompset     Sucky! This CSRF email got me trying out something, and it's yucky bad!
23:49 mtompset     I downloaded an interesting free open-source tool (Subgraph Vega https://subgraph.com) and have confirmed ugliness too on my 3.14.x site. It also seems to be taking out my MySQL server while doing it too.