Time Nick Message
23:50 dcook Only made sense once I read it outloud :p
23:49 dcook Nope. Left hand side. Right hand side.
23:49 dcook I figure they're "hospital services" of some kind
23:49 dcook I'm looking at this email and totally confused by "LHS" and "RHS"
23:49 dcook lol...
23:12 eythian ?
23:08 tcohen mbeaulieu?
23:08 eythian it's needed for the qa tools
23:08 wahanui ah is ?
23:08 tcohen ah?
23:07 eythian btw I'm putting libtest-perl-critic-progressive-perl because that's where it should be
23:07 eythian hi
23:01 tcohen hi there
22:14 dcook morning
22:06 cait bye all :)
22:06 cait found enough bugs for one night
21:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13332 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Items disappear from staff detail page when there is an on-site checkout
21:40 cait bug 13332
21:40 cait thx for helping test :)
21:39 cait will have to leave that to more awake people tomorrow
21:39 cait dunno, maybe it#s an easy fix even
21:36 wizzyrea perhaps easiest to revert that for now
21:36 cait maybe it can help track it down
21:36 cait it happens, filing a bug, will set a link to the other bug
21:35 wizzyrea can def call in papa for that one :)
21:35 wizzyrea yes, it must be because it doesn't cope with onsite.
21:35 cait removing the patch above fixes it for me - i think something was missed, the patch is old, onsite is new... boom
21:34 cait *sigh* filing another blocker bug
21:34 wizzyrea no items when onsite is on
21:34 cait i think a side effect
21:33 wizzyrea no I didn't save it it's definitely to do with onsite.
21:33 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=421761e2743ab260092a5234b7b8b1c33c64107f
21:33 wizzyrea oh oh
21:33 cait it works for me, but only if i remove the patch
21:33 cait hmmm
21:33 wizzyrea still ok
21:33 cait you can turn on both, but the normal one should be enough
21:33 wizzyrea just the one or both?
21:32 cait could you try an on-site checkout? there is a onsite pref to turn on
21:32 cait they show up when i check them in again
21:32 cait mine def disappear
21:32 cait maybe it's related to the local use
21:32 wizzyrea I see the items there
21:31 wizzyrea sec
21:31 cait please
21:30 cait check it out and then check the detail page
21:30 cait wizzyrea: try an item checked out
21:30 cait hm it's the patch from srdjan
21:30 wizzyrea not related: I like how we did this syspref: OpacAdvSearchMoreOptions
21:27 wizzyrea I"m looking hang on
21:27 cait wizzyrea: which setting?
21:27 wizzyrea hm mine are there.
21:26 cait where there shoudl be an item?
21:26 cait could you check on your master install? a staff detail page?
21:26 wizzyrea all of them!
21:26 cait wizzyrea: it looks like all my items disappeared
21:26 wizzyrea showing them in the staff client.
21:26 wizzyrea there is a setting for withdrawn items
21:24 cait [Mon Nov 24 22:22:36.686597 2014] [cgi:error] [pid 24868] [client 127.0.0.1:41651] AH01215: [Mon Nov 24 22:22:36 2014] detail.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Not unique table/alias: 'issues' at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Items.pm line 1332., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?borrowernumber=1
21:23 eythian but I think that it should only ever not show up in staff if it's not there.
21:23 eythian but maybe
21:23 eythian I don't know, I shouldn't think so.
21:23 cait in staff?
21:23 cait should that make a difference?
21:23 cait he item is withdrawn...
21:22 cait it#s quite scary
21:22 cait me neither
21:22 eythian cait: I don't remember any situation where that should happen
21:21 cait so why... would the detai page claim no physical records? in staff?
21:21 cait the items table also agrees that the item is on the record
21:21 cait ok
21:21 eythian hi
21:20 kathryn hallo cait :)
21:20 cait whom to believe?
21:20 cait and the account claims it's a normal checkout
21:20 cait ok... so the record claims to not have physical items
21:19 cait but the title and all shows
21:19 cait how???
21:19 cait i have an item on my account... that is not on the record
21:19 cait gah
21:16 cait hi kathryn :)
21:11 mtj http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/logs.html#piped
21:11 mtj aah, i do see a 'piped logs' example for 2.2 - that would actually work pretty ok :)
21:06 mtj anyhoo, its great to hear its finally fkn fixed in 2.4
21:04 mtj hey, this has been a bugbear of mine for years
21:03 * mtj winces
21:02 mtj that perhaps? ^
21:01 mtj http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_log_debug.html
21:01 mtj ahh...
21:01 mtj http://serverfault.com/questions/267036/is-it-possible-to-create-custom-error-log-in-apache-2
21:01 mtj hum really?!, the webs say its a no-go
20:59 wizzyrea I've used it...
20:59 wizzyrea there's something similar for the older version though
20:59 mtj looks like its time to bump my box to apache2.4 :0)
20:49 mtj no 'ErrorLogFormat' directive until 2.4
20:46 mtj ive sort of just clicked on still on debian/apache 2.2, not 2.4
20:28 cait yes exactly
20:27 wizzyrea O.o.
20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13330 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , All overdue items with fines returned via checkouts table will have fines forgiven!
20:27 cait bug 13330
20:27 cait hm need a sign off of for 13330 please
20:27 wizzyrea then you don't have to change the default ones.
20:26 wizzyrea then make a CustomLog that uses that
20:26 wizzyrea but basically, what I'd do, is set up a logformat with just the things you want, give it a nickname
20:23 mtj well.. it was one of the many tabs i was reading thru...
20:23 wizzyrea :D
20:23 mtj fwiw, i'm already on that page :)
20:22 mtj ooh, i can almost taste the victory...
20:22 wizzyrea https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/logs.html might help (note, that's not really a "rtfm," it just looks like one - that's what I used the last time I was thinking about the contents of logs.
20:20 wizzyrea you can specify your own logformat as well
20:20 wizzyrea and if it's not there, it's probably in the apache config
20:20 mtj awesome :)
20:20 wizzyrea a directive like "logformat"
20:19 wizzyrea files
20:19 wizzyrea I'm sure the logfile definitions are in /etc/koha somewhere, in one of the shared
20:19 mtj ..all the stuff that is not 'XXXXX' ^
20:19 mtj [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107] XXXXX referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=
20:19 mtj [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107] XXXXX referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=
20:19 mtj [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107] XXXXX referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=
20:19 wizzyrea line noise?
20:18 mtj all the crap either side of the actual warn msg, itself
20:17 mtj i dont think i ever worked out how to do that! :)
20:16 mtj i really need a way to turn off all that apache line noise stuff in the error.log
20:12 mtj yeah... me too cait
20:12 gaetan_B bye
20:12 cait and that goes into the koha log files
20:12 cait mtj: normally using warns
20:11 cait bye tcohen
20:11 cait oh
20:11 mtj than
20:10 mtj ..other that just the generic apache error.log file
20:10 mtj stupid dev question here... what techniques do people use to dump stuff to log files when debugging koha?
20:09 tcohen bye #koha
19:52 cait hi bag
19:48 bag hey cait
19:33 cait hi #koha
19:25 tcohen bag++
19:24 bag death of marc
19:20 rangi im sure
19:18 oleonard Has anyone called for the death of MARC yet today?
19:08 oleonard Hi rangi
19:06 tcohen :-D
19:06 tcohen ah
19:05 rangi new devs since the 3.16.0 release
19:04 rangi tcohen: the history.txt
19:04 rangi fwiw
19:04 rangi i like it
18:34 tcohen oleonard: http://snag.gy/AFTBI.jpg
18:28 tcohen i think it will fit well inside wordpress (the main purpose)
18:28 tcohen (<nav>)
18:28 oleonard Oh I see
18:28 tcohen just wanted to know if it would be fine to use it
18:27 tcohen i'm refactoring (a bit) the release notes templates, and am adding a table of contents
18:27 oleonard tcohen: Perhaps I misunderstand your question?
18:26 * tcohen is tidying the release notes templates
18:23 oleonard To my understanding most of the new HTML5 elements are interesting if you're concerned about semantics but that there aren't necessarily practical benefits from user agents yet
18:22 oleonard I don't know a lot about it tcohen
18:20 tcohen oleonard: any thoughts about the <nav> tag?
17:35 reiveune bye
17:23 mtj looking fwd to fixing that one
17:16 mtj but... if you hide opac, display staff - subfield *wont* display in editor
17:15 mtj if you hide staff, display opac - subfield displays OK in editor
17:15 mtj if you hide both opac and staff options, subfield displays OK in editor
17:14 mtj the bug seems to be quite subtle...
17:14 mtj heh, fair point owen :)
17:14 mtj hmm, i recall reading a related bug to this... the bitwise math was buggy, for the subfield visibility stuff
17:13 oleonard Has hiding a subfield in the OPAC ever really worked properly?
17:10 mtj ..if you decide to hide a subfield in the OPAC, via the frameworks - it no longer shows in the cataloging editor
17:10 mtj hows this for a weird bug..
17:05 mtj something like that? ^
17:05 mtj $( "optgroup[label*='Popularity']" ).remove()
16:56 nengard_phone hi all is there a jquery way i can hide popularity as a sort option in the opac?
16:55 ashimema hey bag..
16:53 bag morning
16:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9165 enhancement, P4, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Allow preventing passwords from being stored locally when using LDAP
16:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12831 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , local only logins should still work when ldap authentication is enabled
16:53 ashimema need comments on bug 12831 and bug 9165
16:52 ashimema any ldap people in da' house?
16:50 mtj sweet :0)
16:49 ashimema odd indeed..
16:49 ashimema and git started to work :)
16:49 wahanui i think the git gc is fine
16:49 ashimema the git gc
16:49 ashimema rm -rfv refs/biblibre nuked it..
16:49 ashimema I found 11944 in a ref
16:49 ashimema But.. when I did a grep for biblibre inside my .git dir
16:48 ashimema the above command gave nothing..
16:48 ashimema there were some old refs lying around.
16:48 ashimema sorted..
16:47 mtj what does that give you? ^
16:47 mtj $ git branch -a | grep biblibre
16:47 mtj curious...
16:47 mtj np
16:46 ashimema thanks mtj
16:46 ashimema could do without this headache today..
16:45 ashimema very odd..
16:43 mtj its one of those 'your repo is somehow out-of-sync with a remote repo' bugs, huh..
16:42 mtj all stuff ive never done before
16:42 mtj http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8839958/how-does-origin-head-get-set
16:41 mtj http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18570982/intellij-error-branch-origin-head-does-not-point-at-a-commit-some-refs-could
16:41 ashimema What more weird is that I only push up another patch moments ago and that went fine.
16:40 ashimema yeah.. I'm baffled..
16:40 mtj hmm, thats an 'interesting' one ashimema :/
16:40 huginn ashimema: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 11 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <dpavlin> khall: take a look at bug 12729 -- I opted to use mysql to tell me if date is overdue which will probably have some performance advantage over using DateTime perl module
16:40 ashimema @seen dpavlin
16:39 ashimema but surely bz shouldn't care about that..
16:39 ashimema seems like somthings got out of sync..
16:39 ashimema I removed the biblibre remote days ago..
16:38 ashimema no idea where the biblibre branch is coming from..
16:38 ashimema really odd one I've never seen before.
16:38 ashimema nah..
16:38 pastebot "ashimema" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git-bz" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/294
16:38 mtj a timeout error?
16:37 ashimema randomly can't seem to attach a patch :(
16:37 mtj whats up ashimema?
16:36 ashimema any git bz pros here..
16:33 mtj in 3.14... and master too
16:33 mtj ..the subfield no longer shows in the editor, anymore?!
16:32 mtj but then..enabling some of the other visibility options for the subfield, in the fwrk
16:32 mtj when creating a new bib, with that fwrk - the 'checked' subfield shows in the editor (good)
16:31 mtj specifically with the 'editor' checked ^
16:29 mtj Visibility: OPAC Intranet Editor Collapsed Flagged
16:29 mtj hey #koha, have other people spotted weird behaviour around the 'visibility' stuff, for subfields in fwrks
16:02 ashimema haha.
15:59 wahanui ashimema is on qa now .)
15:59 cait ashimema?
15:59 cait well maybe about a third...
15:59 cait only half
15:58 ashimema community++
15:58 ashimema cait you about..?
15:50 tcohen i love this community
15:38 khall it's an easy test and I though you may be able to make it more prettier ; )
15:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12123 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , HTML notices can break the notice viewer
15:37 khall oleonard: want to give bug 12123 a shot when you have a moment?
15:34 cait i think there is script from marcel on the about.pl omnibus bug that does soemthing like find missing people
15:33 cait ah for the release notes?
15:33 tcohen will create a new_devs_3.18.tt template ;-)
15:32 cait afaik he updates that portion of the dashboard manually
15:32 tcohen rangi++
15:32 tcohen cait++
15:32 cait tcohen: manually :)
15:06 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:06 tcohen @later tell rangi how are you calculating the new devs?
14:23 cait mveron++
14:08 magnuse tcohen++
13:51 * mveron has a meeting...
13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13329 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Can't make new suggestion with AllowPurchaseSuggestionBranchChoice turned on
13:51 mveron cait: Bug 13329 is signed-off
13:48 tcohen oh noes
13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
13:25 marcelr tcohen: bug 13019 is for you now!
13:25 * druthb scratches her head, and goes back to her corner.
13:24 wahanui druthb: bugger all, i dunno
13:24 druthb wahanui: morning?
13:24 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
13:24 jcamins Morning.
13:24 tcohen morning jcamins
13:17 jcamins magnuse: oh, yeah.
13:16 magnuse jcamins: you made an integration test and documented stuff on the wiki :-)
13:12 marcelr no sir
13:11 wahanui marcelr: that doesn't look right
13:11 marcelr and change status again
13:11 khall excellent!
13:11 marcelr khall: will still add a qa comment
13:09 marcelr ok i look
13:09 khall marcelr: ok, patch has been uploaded!
13:07 marcelr ok
13:06 khall marcelr: I'll post a patch right now and you can sign off on it
13:06 marcelr you do not need it
13:06 marcelr the encode must be removed
13:06 marcelr khall: i tested with 遺跡発見 and with áéíóú in the surname in a modified Borrowers.t
13:06 tcohen probably at the beggining of the 3.20 cycle they'll have enough coverage we can feel confident on pushing
13:06 khall marcelr: I've tested from the command line and so far it looks like the encode is not needed
13:06 barton thanks tcohen
13:06 tcohen yeap, we already have regression tests for UTF-8
13:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:05 khall tcohen: I'll test on top of bug 11944
13:05 marcelr i think the encode in bg 13019 must be removed
13:05 tcohen barton: happy birthday
13:05 marcelr no
13:04 tcohen khall and marcel, i'm sure you're testing the use of encode in the context of 11944, right?
13:03 barton ah, thanks! :-)
13:03 oleonard Hey barton, a belated happy birthday to you!
13:01 marcelr the two finds would get out of sync little bit
13:01 marcelr ok
13:01 marcelr no problem with removing the last patch for find
13:01 khall doh! Let me test that right now. Haven't been sleeping too well. Daria's teething now ; )
13:00 marcelr did you test the encode?
13:00 khall I think renaming new_from_dbic was a good idea
12:59 marcelr i look
12:59 khall marcelr: I signed off on your last followup and set to passed qa. Please change the status if you weren't ready to pass it.
12:59 oleonard Hi #koha
12:58 tcohen fredericd: did u see my followup for 13157?
12:52 ashimema what happened to windows in the intervening years since I last played with it..
12:52 ashimema wow.. this new laptop comes with no less than 7 partitions out of the box..
12:44 khall does that make sense marcelr?
12:44 khall in addition, it means we have two separate implementations of fetch which could deviate over time
12:43 khall marcelr: I really don't see that advantage to having a find method in Koha::Object. We've already got it in Koha::Objects, which is where we have all object getting methods already
12:42 khall I'm not entirely sure about the encode question. i'll test and confirm if it's needed
12:41 khall ah, I see
12:41 khall marcelr: what are your questions?
12:41 jcamins magnuse: what did I do?
12:40 * cait has to run off to a meeting
12:40 cait it has a patch now and is on the circ bugs wiki page
12:40 cait can someone please sign off the suggestion blocker?
12:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
12:39 marcelr khall: i looked at bug 13019, have two questions on the report
12:33 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (9:00 AM ART on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
12:33 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:15 * tcohen is uploading the french subtitles
12:15 tcohen morning cait
12:15 cait morning tcohen
11:02 magnuse tcohen often shows up around this time, i think?
11:00 cait argentina is a few hours behind us, not sure when he will see it
10:55 mveron Thanks, cait :-)
10:55 cait i dropped bernardo an email
10:54 * mveron can not open http://translate.koha-community.org (as yesterday)
10:40 * cait agrees
10:40 magnuse hm, that is not how it should work, i *think*
10:35 kivilahtio magnuse: When doing the full reindexing our searches have always been off when the zebraidx starts, without the -w -flag
10:32 magnuse no, if you do a normal full reindex, it will build the new index in a temporary location, while serving new searches from the old index. then when the new index is finished it will replace the old index. or so i think...
10:29 kivilahtio thanks for the tip. I'll try that
10:27 kivilahtio i htought the searching has always been unavailable during full reindexing
10:16 magnuse have you tried reindexing without the shadow indexing? that *will* make searching unavailable during the indexing
10:15 magnuse true
10:15 kivilahtio lemme see
10:14 kivilahtio then we shouldn't have a search index in the first place :)
10:14 magnuse could it be that the full reindex fails silently?
10:11 kivilahtio still there is the small gnome deleting those index records
10:11 kivilahtio maybe it doesn't actually reindex fully
10:11 magnuse i can't remember hearing about that before
10:11 kivilahtio tell me about it, maybe there is something wrong with the full indexing
10:11 magnuse wow, that is weird
10:10 kivilahtio exactly
10:10 kivilahtio yes
10:10 magnuse so you notice a record is missing from the index, do a full reindex, still missing, put it in the zebra queue and then when -z has done its thing it is searchable?
10:09 magnuse yeah, that is really weird
10:09 kivilahtio but it doesnt' explain why after a full reindex those records are not available
10:08 kivilahtio cait: I should
10:08 cait you shoudl setup gnome traps
10:08 cait y
10:08 cait that sounds very likel
10:07 kivilahtio or maybe some message_queue -etries
10:07 kivilahtio maybe there is a small gnome who randomly logs in to our server and randomly deletes stuff, like zebra index records
10:07 kivilahtio I think I will crash :)
10:06 * cait agrees with magnuse
09:58 magnuse i think it will crash if there is no more space
09:56 kivilahtio you set the index space from the zebra config files
09:56 kivilahtio or should Zebra just crash when the allocated disk space is used?
09:55 kivilahtio is this crazy?
09:55 kivilahtio I have no idea. My guess is that the space for the zebra index is getting low, or is spent and maybe indexing new records make old records vanish?
09:55 cait so it's something with how the cronjob runs... occasionally? feels like we can rule out the record itself
09:54 kivilahtio magnuse: it works fine
09:54 kivilahtio magnuse: yes
09:51 magnuse -z
09:51 cait kivilahtio: for the zebra script koha shoudl take care of that now itself
09:51 magnuse if you edit the missing record, does it get indexed by the normal process?
09:51 kivilahtio however
09:51 kivilahtio magnuse: zebraidx should throw errors if there are errors with the records
09:50 magnuse anything special about the missing records? like a missing 000 or 001 or something?
09:50 kivilahtio then log everything
09:50 kivilahtio cait: I made a wrapper for all koha-cronjobs to time them and to lock them from running on top of each others
09:49 kivilahtio rebuild_zebra.pl waits for the zebraidx to end before closing hte process
09:48 cait yeah, 3.16.4 shoudl have that
09:48 kivilahtio rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z -v runs every two minutes. There is a lock file in place to prevent all our cronjobs from starting before the running cronjobs closes
09:47 kivilahtio 3.16.04
09:47 kivilahtio yes
09:47 cait and are you using ht enormal -z way of indexing?
09:46 cait one index run not finished when the next starts...
09:46 cait could it be a runtime thing?
09:46 cait hm which version are you on?
09:43 kivilahtio I have a gut feeling this is an incredibly painful Zebra-problem
09:42 kivilahtio sometimes the normal indexing doesn't work
09:42 kivilahtio exactly, and the records are already normally indexed
09:42 kivilahtio yes
09:42 cait seems like your script would do the same as the normal reindexing?
09:42 kivilahtio Book was in DB and everything was ok but the zebra index record was missing
09:41 cait sounds indeed a bit weird
09:41 kivilahtio but we cannot manually reindex (or force reindex) every time we add new records. To add insult to injury, some old records are missing as well. We got a reservation for a book, which couldn't be found.
09:41 kivilahtio this seems to work
09:40 kivilahtio magnuse: I run the ModZebra( $biblionumber, "specialUpdate", "biblioserver" ); in a script to add the biblionumber to the zebraqueue and run the incremental rebuild_zebra.pl
09:39 magnuse very weird if even a full reindex does not help
09:38 magnuse kivilahtio: how do you "manually reindex those individual records"?
09:37 AmitG chris around?
09:35 kivilahtio this is very strange and happens randomly
09:35 kivilahtio now when I manually reindex those individual records, they become visible in the zebra.
09:34 kivilahtio magnuse: Any ideas why our Zebra doesn't index all records? In zebraqueue there definetely are entries where the given biblios have been indexed by rebuild_zebra.pl but I cannot find those records from Zebra using the Yaz-client? Even a full bibliographic reindexing doesn't help here.
09:32 magnuse cool, thought i recognized him
09:31 kivilahtio maybe
09:31 kivilahtio lol
09:31 kivilahtio magnuse: Yes, Ari
09:31 magnuse ...and into the fire?
09:31 kivilahtio but I am getting out of the frying pan !!
09:31 magnuse who was the guy on stage with you? ari mäkiranta?
09:31 kivilahtio lots of hard work :)
09:31 kivilahtio thanks magnuse
09:30 magnuse yeah congrats kivilahtio!
09:29 marcelr np
09:29 cait marcelr: sorry, haven't read the whole thread yet - thx for your patience :)
09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12872 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Failed QA , Exclude some fields from Zebra indexing
09:27 marcelr kivilahtio: see also bug 12872; i have to get it out of FQA again
09:25 kivilahtio I mean I am finding solutions to manyu issues made possibly by clever use of XSLT
09:25 kivilahtio but I can imagine issues with large catalogues of 100GB+
09:24 kivilahtio The more I work with Zebra the less I feel the need to change to elasticsearch
09:24 kivilahtio *I think I need to read the zebra manual from top to bottom
09:23 kivilahtio i use DuckDuckgo.org
09:23 cait or another search of your choice
09:23 kivilahtio nah
09:23 cait you could probably also just use google :)
09:23 kivilahtio strange world
09:23 cait i think one should have a search funtion at least
09:23 kivilahtio then we search from gmane to find the entries in koha-devel?
09:22 cait there are some
09:22 kivilahtio so gmane.org mirrors our koha-devel -mailinglist?
09:22 kivilahtio cait: so expect us :)
09:21 cait great :)
09:21 cait it sounds like a pretty cool award :)
09:21 kivilahtio cait: Yeah, we are working on it
09:21 cait ... and you shoudl write something for the newsletter about that
09:21 kivilahtio ok
09:21 cait nabble or something?
09:21 cait i think you can probably, using one of the mirrors
09:20 kivilahtio cait: This is a bit silly guestion but can I search the mailing list? All I get is hte archive :(
09:20 kivilahtio yeah, Ministry of Culture and Education gave us the annual library innovators award
09:19 cait hm, there was a video and lots of finish, hope google translate didn't mess up :)
09:19 kivilahtio :)
09:19 kivilahtio cait: we won a prize?
09:18 kivilahtio mveron, you should go. It is warm and tasty
09:16 Joubu Hi cait, #koha o/
09:15 cait now we need a sign off..
09:15 cait ... and Joubu++ for patching 13329
09:14 cait also maybe running a reindex with more verbosity?
09:14 cait kivilahtio: ther eis a script in the misc folder somewhere... something with slice - it could help you find the records that don't get indexed
09:14 cait kivilahtio: and congratulations for the prize :)
09:13 cait kivilahtio: it's sitll being developed i think, if you look on the indexdata website you shoudl see when the last version came out
09:13 cait kivilahtio: there have been facets for a while - we didn't use them until lately
09:13 * mveron is invited to a Glögi... Maybe kivilahtio can explain?
09:12 cait hi Oak, mveron and kivilahtio
09:10 kivilahtio Is Zebra still under development? I don't remember there being facets in zebra?
09:09 mveron And hi :-)
09:09 mveron cait: I prefer Vor-Ort-Ausleihe (On-site-checkouts)
09:09 kivilahtio CAn I search the mailing list archive?
09:09 kivilahtio I guess someone must have encountered a similar issue.
09:08 kivilahtio I am looking for information regarding Zebra not indexing all records in our DB, and can't figure out could we search our mailing list?
09:08 mveron :-)
09:08 kivilahtio wahanui is my friend
09:08 wahanui OK, mveron.
09:08 mveron wahanui: Are you a bot? :-)
09:05 huginn kivilahtio: The current temperature in Kontiolahti, Finland is 0.5°C (11:04 AM EET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling).
09:05 kivilahtio @wunder Joensuu
09:05 wahanui OK, kivilahtio.
09:05 kivilahtio wahanui: I already did, but we are canging our SMS provider
09:04 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 10.6°C (10:04 AM CET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
09:04 wahanui somebody said kivilahtio was working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha
09:04 Oak hey kivilahtio
09:04 mveron @wunder Allschwil
09:04 kivilahtio hello Oak
09:04 mveron ...and all the others
09:04 mveron hello Oak
09:04 Oak Lady Katrin.
09:04 Oak hello mveron
09:04 Oak magnuse
09:03 mveron Hi #koha
08:59 magnuse Oak
08:56 * Oak waves
08:44 marcelr :)
08:44 magnuse hiya marcelr
08:44 marcelr hi #koha
08:32 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B and akafred
08:25 gaetan_B hello
08:16 cait heh
08:15 magnuse maybe someone wanted to give translators the weekend off? ;-)
08:14 cait hm is pootle down?
08:13 cait did you have a good time?
08:12 paul_p (after a week-end in Nazareth)
08:12 paul_p hi cait. Yep, back home
08:12 cait are you back home?
08:12 cait morning paul_p
08:06 cait hi magnuse
07:59 magnuse kia ora cait
07:58 cait hi #koha
07:58 magnuse one problem with the integrations tests is example data. should we have a default set of sample data? should the tests create the data they need? or should the tests be configurable so they could work with different data?
07:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:57 magnuse @wunder boo
07:57 magnuse the new library in Bodø: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/nov/21/norway-concert-hall-bodo?CMP=share_btn_link
07:57 magnuse jcamins++
07:56 alex_a bonjour
07:49 * ashimema wishes he had more time to focus on koha at the moment... but alas other projects are at the top of the pile right now :(
07:46 ashimema will do.. thanks Rangi
07:46 rangi also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_testing_with_WWW::Mechanize
07:45 rangi ashimema: look at t/db_dependent/www/batch.t
07:39 reiveune hello
07:36 ashimema hense walking into a shop and getting one off the shelf
07:36 ashimema I had to get one in a hurry magnuse.. my last one finally completely blew up last week and I'm meant to be out with customers this week..
07:36 huginn ashimema: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
07:36 ashimema @you'de like to login to your new computer would you... ok, you'll need a microsoft account for that.. tell me every tiny personal detail about you and i'll store it forever on my cloud.. then, maybe, if your locuky I'll let you sign in to your new computer
07:36 * magnuse bought a laptop without an os
07:35 ashimema and man windos 8.1 is really really naughty demanding personal details all over the shop
07:34 cait andnow... i amreally gone :)
07:34 cait hope it will stop you from falling out of irc all the time :)
07:34 cait but good luck with the new machine
07:34 ashimema it's madness
07:34 ashimema I've never seen so many crazy partitions shippped on a machine before..
07:34 cait boooo for the windows thing
07:34 cait for the new machine
07:33 cait ashimema: yay!!!
07:33 ashimema before I strip it of windows and install linux I felt I aught to back up the spagetti of partitions they now call windows... just in case I eer needed to make a warranty claim (as they seem to claim warranties are now void if you wipe windows!)
07:32 ashimema I got myself a shiny new latop on saturday..
07:32 ashimema dd is a linux tool to bit by bit copy stuff cait.
07:32 wahanui dd is, like, Debian Developer
07:32 cait dd?
07:32 * ashimema thinks he may have to re-acquaint himself with 'dd' today.
07:31 magnuse one of these days i will get around to reading http://modernperlbooks.com/mt/2012/08/simplified-html-testing-with-mojodom-and-mech.html
07:31 magnuse have fun cait
07:31 cait bbiab
07:31 cait talking about steps... it's time to go to owrk :)
07:31 ashimema doesn't stop me wishing they worked a bit better though ;)
07:30 liw (but I have not enough experience with web stuff to be able to say anything actually useful that Koha _should_ do)
07:30 ashimema indeed... me to
07:30 magnuse good point, liw
07:30 liw I've found the "recording" type test frameworks to be fragile against changes: you get to re-create the test too often when minute details change that don't really affect the thing being tested but ruin the recording
07:29 magnuse one step at a time :-)
07:29 cait there is soo crzay much we shoudl be doing
07:29 cait with our templates changing too much, not sure if it makes sense to have them right now or focus on other clean up tasks first
07:29 magnuse hehe
07:28 ashimema else it would be a meanigless 'test'
07:28 ashimema warning if they don't replay correctly of course
07:27 ashimema Would be fantastic to have a 'record' type testing framework.. to just record and replay actions
07:27 cait that is maybe a bit too ambiious
07:27 ashimema indeed.. that's a more sensible route.. but also more work and my understanding was that selenium should be so simple that every day users could write/record tests
07:26 cait ashimema: me neither
07:26 magnuse i think of it as tests using Test::WWW::Mechanize or something similar
07:26 ashimema Never could get Selenium working reliably...
07:26 ashimema I'm still a bit hazy on writing integration tests (as apposed to unit tests) myself thouhg :(
07:25 laurence hi magnuse
07:25 ashimema Don't we all Magnuse
07:25 * magnuse wishes we had tons of integration tests
07:25 magnuse kia ora ashimema and laurence
07:24 ashimema Monring #koha
07:16 cait night dcook
07:16 magnuse have fun dcook
07:16 dcook Night all :)
07:16 dcook Ok. I got to bounce.
07:15 * magnuse sent tcohen an email
06:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13314 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Fixes to .mailmap for the 3.18 release
06:56 magnuse also bug 13314
06:54 magnuse cait++
06:54 magnuse this looks promising: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=gitdm/domain-map :-)
06:53 * dcook isn't sure
06:53 cait tomas said he had asked on the list, but i think imissed the mail
06:53 magnuse ah, ok
06:53 cait magnuse: i think maybe in the release notes script
06:53 magnuse i thought it was .mailmap, but it doesn't look like it
06:53 dcook magnuse: How do you mean?
06:52 magnuse hm, is there somwhere we map between email domain names and institution names?
06:50 dcook I was a bit swamped today and couldn't confirm for sure
06:50 dcook btw, thanks for opening that report, cait :)
06:50 dcook heya magnuse && cait
06:50 * magnuse waves
05:06 dcook Almost pulled one of those O_o faces
05:06 dcook Ahh, k. For a moment, I thought you were saying that it was sane
05:05 eythian there is no planet where this is sane
05:05 eythian then you can use svc/config/systempreferences/* and it responds in json
05:04 eythian well, you call svc/authenticate and it responds in XML
05:04 dcook ?
05:03 eythian there's also this handy library for working with json, but to authenticate, you use the XML part.
05:03 * dcook counts how many super long emails he's just sent out
05:03 eythian definitely
05:03 dcook Maybe
05:03 dcook If we went to a more service oriented structure, it would probably be easier to be consistent
05:02 dcook I wonder sometimes how many rules it would take to be consistent though..
05:02 dcook Koha isn't that great for consistency
05:02 dcook Agreed
04:56 eythian one or the other, I don't care which
04:56 eythian that's dumb
04:55 dac Like... 99.9% sure
04:55 * dac is pretty sure that's true
04:53 eythian I hope that's not true
04:53 * eythian notes that it looks like the /svc API sometimes returns XML, sometimes JSON.
04:28 eythian nope, she's gone
04:25 AmitG liz around?
04:25 AmitG heya all
03:08 dcook Man... yeah... suggestions is ugly as sin
02:58 dcook The other one is... ugh
02:58 dcook Ah, that's just a plain old accidental bug, me thinks
02:49 dcook Mmm, rather old code...
02:48 dcook my $suggestion = $input->Vars;
02:48 dcook wth...
02:45 dcook And... dbic error
02:42 dcook Yeah... I'm thinking it's coincidence
02:41 dcook Unless that's coincidence...
02:41 dcook But it seems to work right in dev
02:40 dcook Nope. Code looks the same in prod and in dev...
02:40 dcook Hmm...
02:39 dcook I'm thinking this is something that got fixed..
02:39 dcook $suggestion_ref isn't a copy... it's a reference to the object
02:38 dcook Because... my $suggestion_ref = $input->Vars;
02:38 dcook $$suggestion_ref{'branchcode'} = C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'};
02:37 dcook Yep, I'm pretty sure that's it
02:36 dcook Which makes it super not obvious
02:36 dcook I'm guessing it's because of a reference somewhere...
02:36 dcook Somehow $input is being changed but I have no idea how..
02:33 dcook ;)
02:33 dcook Overall, no
02:33 dcook In this case, I think so
02:33 dcook Mmm
02:32 ibeardslee are they mutually exclusive?
02:30 dcook Ok... glad to know I'm not going crazy... something weird is happening..
02:14 dcook [off] Ok, j/k. It's not me. Just yet another doppelganger...
02:13 dcook [off] for those not on my FB: check out what I'm a part of: http://www.indiewire.com/article/why-nonprofits-are-the-future-of-indie-film-20141112
01:23 dcook Ah wait...
01:22 dcook No idea at all how $input->param('branchcode') can possibly be set...
01:21 dcook whew
01:21 dcook Ah wait, that's not doing what I thought it was doing
01:20 dcook $params .= $key . '=' . uri_escape($input->param($key)) . '&'
01:19 dcook wth..
01:14 dcook There shouldn't be any input...
01:12 dcook $$suggestion_ref{'branchcode'} = C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'};
01:12 dcook Huh...
01:12 dcook :S
01:12 dcook my $displayby = $input->param('displayby') || '';
01:11 dcook my $branchfilter = ($displayby ne "branchcode") ? $input->param('branchcode') : '';
01:05 dcook At least in 3.14.5
01:04 dcook And deleting all sorts of stuff out of that and yeah... it's a bit of a mess
01:04 eythian eww
01:04 dcook :S
01:04 dcook my $suggestion_ref = $input->Vars;
01:04 dcook But then I also see this
01:04 eythian ah
01:04 dcook So even though I have 5 suggestions for 5 branches, it's always going to use the first suggestion for the first branch :S
01:03 eythian ah
01:03 dcook It looks like it's using the first suggestion it comes across...
01:03 dcook What I meant is... I don't know why the script uses the suggestion in a lot of places...
01:03 eythian it's just usually you don't need them
01:03 dcook Ah, that's not what I meant
01:03 eythian they're not common, but they're sensible enough
01:03 eythian it's just a scalar dereference
01:02 dcook I probably don't understand it correctly though as it's all over the place
01:02 dcook If I understand "$$suggestion_ref" correctly, it's absolutely ridiculous..
00:55 dcook So annoying
00:54 wizzyrea I've seen that, it's an annoying thing.
00:54 eythian I could be wrong though
00:54 eythian though I thought it was fixed
00:54 eythian it's a constant annoyance
00:54 eythian because it's dumb
00:52 dcook suggestion.pl is sure an interesting place to find oneself...
00:50 dcook On an unrelated note, does anyone know why Suggestions might filter by default to the user's branch only sometimes?
00:43 wahanui okay, eythian.
00:43 eythian wahanui: metadata is also <reply>http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=1176
00:43 wahanui ...but metadata is data... down with the distinction. ;)...
00:43 eythian wahanui: metadata is <reply>http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=1176
00:40 eythian err, probalby not useful for most of you
00:40 eythian http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=324e2f59c546a5dca0a29bfd3&id=174555d47c
00:38 dcook Yeah, I just did that
00:38 eythian ls -l will tell you
00:38 dcook Mmm, that must be the case this time
00:38 eythian I should make them be the same user
00:38 eythian because it's switching between web and command line
00:38 eythian I regularly get it creating with the wrong permissions in my dev environment.
00:36 dcook (Although in hindsight, that might not be the problem I'm having atm)
00:36 dcook That makes sense
00:36 eythian so it's never owned by someone else
00:36 dcook Sweet
00:36 dcook Actually...
00:36 eythian oh, in the packages, the web stuff runs as the relevant user
00:36 dcook As it's owned by someone else
00:35 dcook Well at the moment, when I go to supggestions.pl, I'm getting a fatal error because the web server can't write to that cache file
00:35 wahanui well, the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
00:35 eythian what's the question?
00:35 eythian it...serves web pages?
00:35 dcook As it would need to write... help files and some cache files
00:35 dcook So how does the web server factor in?
00:34 dcook That's what I was thinking
00:30 eythian koha-instancename
00:30 eythian it's a user per instance
00:30 dcook Who owns the Koha files with the packages?
00:29 dcook init that is
00:29 dcook Yeah, it does
00:27 eythian iirc it activates all the cache types on init
00:27 eythian it might create it, not sure if it'll use it.
00:27 eythian they don't set it up by default
00:26 dcook That's... surprising
00:26 dcook Hmm... still using sharefile-koha-koha when I have MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE set anyways it seems...
00:25 dcook It's been a while since I've used them
00:25 * dcook was thinking a bit about how the Debian packages must work...
00:25 dcook Do the packages set up memcached by default?
00:24 dcook Apparently suggestions.pl also uses Koha::Cache...
00:24 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:24 dcook Interesting...