Time  Nick          Message
23:50 dcook         Only made sense once I read it outloud :p
23:49 dcook         Nope. Left hand side. Right hand side.
23:49 dcook         I figure they're "hospital services" of some kind
23:49 dcook         I'm looking at this email and totally confused by "LHS" and "RHS"
23:49 dcook         lol...
23:12 eythian       ?
23:08 tcohen        mbeaulieu?
23:08 eythian       it's needed for the qa tools
23:08 wahanui       ah is ?
23:08 tcohen        ah?
23:07 eythian       btw I'm putting libtest-perl-critic-progressive-perl because that's where it should be
23:07 eythian       hi
23:01 tcohen        hi there
22:14 dcook         morning
22:06 cait          bye all :)
22:06 cait          found enough bugs for one night
21:40 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13332 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Items disappear from staff detail page when there is an on-site checkout
21:40 cait          bug 13332
21:40 cait          thx for helping test :)
21:39 cait          will have to leave that to more awake people tomorrow
21:39 cait          dunno, maybe it#s an easy fix even
21:36 wizzyrea      perhaps easiest to revert that for now
21:36 cait          maybe it can help track it down
21:36 cait          it happens, filing a bug, will set a link to the other bug
21:35 wizzyrea      can def call in papa for that one :)
21:35 wizzyrea      yes, it must be because it doesn't cope with onsite.
21:35 cait          removing the patch above fixes it for me - i think something was missed, the patch is old, onsite is new... boom
21:34 cait          *sigh* filing another blocker bug
21:34 wizzyrea      no items when onsite is on
21:34 cait          i think a side effect
21:33 wizzyrea      no I didn't save it it's definitely to do with onsite.
21:33 cait          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=421761e2743ab260092a5234b7b8b1c33c64107f
21:33 wizzyrea      oh oh
21:33 cait          it works for me, but only if i remove the patch
21:33 cait          hmmm
21:33 wizzyrea      still ok
21:33 cait          you can turn on both, but the normal one should be enough
21:33 wizzyrea      just the one or both?
21:32 cait          could you try an on-site checkout? there is a onsite pref to turn on
21:32 cait          they show up when i check them in again
21:32 cait          mine def disappear
21:32 cait          maybe it's related to the local use
21:32 wizzyrea      I see the items there
21:31 wizzyrea      sec
21:31 cait          please
21:30 cait          check it out and then check the detail page
21:30 cait          wizzyrea: try an item checked out
21:30 cait          hm it's the patch from srdjan
21:30 wizzyrea      not related: I like how we did this syspref:  OpacAdvSearchMoreOptions
21:27 wizzyrea      I"m looking hang on
21:27 cait          wizzyrea: which setting?
21:27 wizzyrea      hm mine are there.
21:26 cait          where there shoudl be an item?
21:26 cait          could you check on your master install? a staff detail page?
21:26 wizzyrea      all of them!
21:26 cait          wizzyrea: it looks like all my items disappeared
21:26 wizzyrea      showing them in the staff client.
21:26 wizzyrea      there is a setting for withdrawn items
21:24 cait          [Mon Nov 24 22:22:36.686597 2014] [cgi:error] [pid 24868] [client 127.0.0.1:41651] AH01215: [Mon Nov 24 22:22:36 2014] detail.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Not unique table/alias: 'issues' at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Items.pm line 1332., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?borrowernumber=1
21:23 eythian       but I think that it should only ever not show up in staff if it's not there.
21:23 eythian       but maybe
21:23 eythian       I don't know, I shouldn't think so.
21:23 cait          in staff?
21:23 cait          should that make a difference?
21:23 cait          he item is withdrawn...
21:22 cait          it#s quite scary
21:22 cait          me neither
21:22 eythian       cait: I don't remember any situation where that should happen
21:21 cait          so why... would the detai page claim no physical records? in staff?
21:21 cait          the items table also agrees that the item is on the record
21:21 cait          ok
21:21 eythian       hi
21:20 kathryn       hallo cait :)
21:20 cait          whom to believe?
21:20 cait          and the account claims it's a normal checkout
21:20 cait          ok... so the record claims to not have physical items
21:19 cait          but the title and all shows
21:19 cait          how???
21:19 cait          i have an item on my account... that is not on the record
21:19 cait          gah
21:16 cait          hi kathryn :)
21:11 mtj           http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/logs.html#piped
21:11 mtj           aah, i do see a 'piped logs' example for 2.2 - that would actually work pretty ok :)
21:06 mtj           anyhoo, its great to hear its finally fkn fixed in 2.4
21:04 mtj           hey, this has been a bugbear of mine for years
21:03 * mtj         winces
21:02 mtj           that perhaps? ^
21:01 mtj           http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_log_debug.html
21:01 mtj           ahh...
21:01 mtj           http://serverfault.com/questions/267036/is-it-possible-to-create-custom-error-log-in-apache-2
21:01 mtj           hum really?!, the webs say its a no-go
20:59 wizzyrea      I've used it...
20:59 wizzyrea      there's something similar for the older version though
20:59 mtj           looks like its time to bump my box to apache2.4 :0)
20:49 mtj           no  'ErrorLogFormat' directive until 2.4
20:46 mtj           ive sort of just clicked on still on debian/apache 2.2, not 2.4
20:28 cait          yes exactly
20:27 wizzyrea      O.o.
20:27 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13330 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , All overdue items with fines returned via checkouts table will have fines forgiven!
20:27 cait          bug 13330
20:27 cait          hm need a sign off of for 13330 please
20:27 wizzyrea      then you don't have to change the default ones.
20:26 wizzyrea      then make a CustomLog that uses that
20:26 wizzyrea      but basically, what I'd do, is set up a logformat with just the things you want, give it a nickname
20:23 mtj           well.. it was one of the many tabs i was reading thru...
20:23 wizzyrea      :D
20:23 mtj           fwiw, i'm already on that page :)
20:22 mtj           ooh, i can almost taste the victory...
20:22 wizzyrea      https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/logs.html might help (note, that's not really a "rtfm," it just looks like one - that's what I used the last time I was thinking about the contents of logs.
20:20 wizzyrea      you can specify your own logformat as well
20:20 wizzyrea      and if it's not there, it's probably in the apache config
20:20 mtj           awesome :)
20:20 wizzyrea      a directive like "logformat"
20:19 wizzyrea      files
20:19 wizzyrea      I'm sure the logfile definitions are in /etc/koha somewhere, in one of the shared
20:19 mtj           ..all the stuff that is not 'XXXXX' ^
20:19 mtj           [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107]  XXXXX  referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=
20:19 mtj           [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107]  XXXXX  referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=
20:19 mtj           [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107]  XXXXX  referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=
20:19 wizzyrea      line noise?
20:18 mtj           all the crap either side of the actual warn msg, itself
20:17 mtj           i dont think i ever worked out how to do that! :)
20:16 mtj           i really need a way to turn off  all that apache line noise stuff in the error.log
20:12 mtj           yeah... me too cait
20:12 gaetan_B      bye
20:12 cait          and that goes into the koha log files
20:12 cait          mtj: normally using warns
20:11 cait          bye tcohen
20:11 cait          oh
20:11 mtj           than
20:10 mtj           ..other that just the generic apache error.log file
20:10 mtj           stupid dev question here... what techniques do people use to dump stuff to log files when debugging koha?
20:09 tcohen        bye #koha
19:52 cait          hi bag
19:48 bag           hey cait
19:33 cait          hi #koha
19:25 tcohen        bag++
19:24 bag           death of marc
19:20 rangi         im sure
19:18 oleonard      Has anyone called for the death of MARC yet today?
19:08 oleonard      Hi rangi
19:06 tcohen        :-D
19:06 tcohen        ah
19:05 rangi         new devs since the 3.16.0 release
19:04 rangi         tcohen: the history.txt
19:04 rangi         fwiw
19:04 rangi         i like it
18:34 tcohen        oleonard: http://snag.gy/AFTBI.jpg
18:28 tcohen        i think it will fit well inside wordpress (the main purpose)
18:28 tcohen        (<nav>)
18:28 oleonard      Oh I see
18:28 tcohen        just wanted to know if it would be fine to use it
18:27 tcohen        i'm refactoring (a bit) the release notes templates, and am adding a table of contents
18:27 oleonard      tcohen: Perhaps I misunderstand your question?
18:26 * tcohen      is tidying the release notes templates
18:23 oleonard      To my understanding most of the new HTML5 elements are interesting if you're concerned about semantics but that there aren't necessarily practical benefits from user agents yet
18:22 oleonard      I don't know a lot about it tcohen
18:20 tcohen        oleonard: any thoughts about the <nav> tag?
17:35 reiveune      bye
17:23 mtj           looking fwd to fixing that one
17:16 mtj           but... if you hide opac, display staff - subfield *wont* display in editor
17:15 mtj           if you hide staff, display opac - subfield displays OK in editor
17:15 mtj           if you hide both opac and staff options,  subfield displays OK in editor
17:14 mtj           the bug seems to be quite subtle...
17:14 mtj           heh, fair point owen :)
17:14 mtj           hmm, i recall reading a related bug to this... the bitwise math was buggy, for the subfield visibility stuff
17:13 oleonard      Has hiding a subfield in the OPAC ever really worked properly?
17:10 mtj           ..if you decide to hide a subfield in the OPAC, via the frameworks - it no longer shows in the cataloging editor
17:10 mtj           hows this for a weird bug..
17:05 mtj           something like that? ^
17:05 mtj           $( "optgroup[label*='Popularity']" ).remove()
16:56 nengard_phone hi all is there a jquery way i can hide popularity as a sort option in the opac?
16:55 ashimema      hey bag..
16:53 bag           morning
16:53 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9165 enhancement, P4, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Allow preventing passwords from being stored locally when using LDAP
16:53 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12831 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , local only logins should still work when ldap authentication is enabled
16:53 ashimema      need comments on bug 12831 and bug 9165
16:52 ashimema      any ldap people in da' house?
16:50 mtj           sweet :0)
16:49 ashimema      odd indeed..
16:49 ashimema      and git started to work :)
16:49 wahanui       i think the git gc is fine
16:49 ashimema      the git gc
16:49 ashimema      rm -rfv refs/biblibre nuked it..
16:49 ashimema      I found 11944 in a ref
16:49 ashimema      But.. when I did a grep for biblibre inside my .git dir
16:48 ashimema      the above command gave nothing..
16:48 ashimema      there were some old refs lying around.
16:48 ashimema      sorted..
16:47 mtj           what does that give you? ^
16:47 mtj           $  git branch -a | grep biblibre
16:47 mtj           curious...
16:47 mtj           np
16:46 ashimema      thanks mtj
16:46 ashimema      could do without this headache today..
16:45 ashimema      very odd..
16:43 mtj           its one of those 'your repo is somehow out-of-sync with a remote repo' bugs, huh..
16:42 mtj           all stuff ive never done before
16:42 mtj           http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8839958/how-does-origin-head-get-set
16:41 mtj           http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18570982/intellij-error-branch-origin-head-does-not-point-at-a-commit-some-refs-could
16:41 ashimema      What more weird is that I only push up another patch moments ago and that went fine.
16:40 ashimema      yeah.. I'm baffled..
16:40 mtj           hmm, thats an 'interesting' one ashimema :/
16:40 huginn        ashimema: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 11 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <dpavlin> khall: take a look at bug 12729 -- I opted to use mysql to tell me if date is overdue which will probably have some performance advantage over using DateTime perl module
16:40 ashimema      @seen dpavlin
16:39 ashimema      but surely bz shouldn't care about that..
16:39 ashimema      seems like somthings got out of sync..
16:39 ashimema      I removed the biblibre remote days ago..
16:38 ashimema      no idea where the biblibre branch is coming from..
16:38 ashimema      really odd one I've never seen before.
16:38 ashimema      nah..
16:38 pastebot      "ashimema" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git-bz" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/294
16:38 mtj           a timeout error?
16:37 ashimema      randomly can't seem to attach a patch :(
16:37 mtj           whats up ashimema?
16:36 ashimema      any git bz pros here..
16:33 mtj           in 3.14... and master too
16:33 mtj           ..the subfield no longer shows in the editor, anymore?!
16:32 mtj           but then..enabling some of the other visibility options for the subfield, in the fwrk
16:32 mtj           when creating a new bib, with that fwrk - the 'checked' subfield shows in the editor (good)
16:31 mtj           specifically with the 'editor' checked ^
16:29 mtj           Visibility:   OPAC   Intranet   Editor   Collapsed   Flagged
16:29 mtj           hey #koha, have other people spotted weird behaviour around the 'visibility' stuff, for subfields in fwrks
16:02 ashimema      haha.
15:59 wahanui       ashimema is on qa now .)
15:59 cait          ashimema?
15:59 cait          well maybe about a third...
15:59 cait          only half
15:58 ashimema      community++
15:58 ashimema      cait you about..?
15:50 tcohen        i love this community
15:38 khall         it's an easy test and I though you may be able to make it more prettier ; )
15:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12123 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , HTML notices can break the notice viewer
15:37 khall         oleonard: want to give bug 12123 a shot when you have a moment?
15:34 cait          i think there is script from marcel on the about.pl omnibus bug that does soemthing like find missing people
15:33 cait          ah for the release notes?
15:33 tcohen        will create a new_devs_3.18.tt template ;-)
15:32 cait          afaik he updates that portion of the dashboard manually
15:32 tcohen        rangi++
15:32 tcohen        cait++
15:32 cait          tcohen: manually :)
15:06 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:06 tcohen        @later tell rangi how are you calculating the new devs?
14:23 cait          mveron++
14:08 magnuse       tcohen++
13:51 * mveron      has a meeting...
13:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13329 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Can't make new suggestion with AllowPurchaseSuggestionBranchChoice turned on
13:51 mveron        cait: Bug 13329 is signed-off
13:48 tcohen        oh noes
13:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
13:25 marcelr       tcohen: bug 13019 is for you now!
13:25 * druthb      scratches her head, and goes back to her corner.
13:24 wahanui       druthb: bugger all, i dunno
13:24 druthb        wahanui:  morning?
13:24 wahanui       Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
13:24 jcamins       Morning.
13:24 tcohen        morning jcamins
13:17 jcamins       magnuse: oh, yeah.
13:16 magnuse       jcamins: you made an integration test and documented stuff on the wiki :-)
13:12 marcelr       no sir
13:11 wahanui       marcelr: that doesn't look right
13:11 marcelr       and change status again
13:11 khall         excellent!
13:11 marcelr       khall: will still add a qa comment
13:09 marcelr       ok i look
13:09 khall         marcelr: ok, patch has been uploaded!
13:07 marcelr       ok
13:06 khall         marcelr: I'll post a patch right now and you can sign off on it
13:06 marcelr       you do not need it
13:06 marcelr       the encode must be removed
13:06 marcelr       khall: i tested with  遺跡発見 and with áéíóú in the surname in a modified Borrowers.t
13:06 tcohen        probably at the beggining of the 3.20 cycle they'll have enough coverage we can feel confident on pushing
13:06 khall         marcelr: I've tested from the command line and so far it looks like the encode is not needed
13:06 barton        thanks tcohen
13:06 tcohen        yeap, we already have regression tests for UTF-8
13:05 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:05 khall         tcohen: I'll test on top of bug 11944
13:05 marcelr       i think the encode in bg 13019 must be removed
13:05 tcohen        barton: happy birthday
13:05 marcelr       no
13:04 tcohen        khall and marcel, i'm sure you're testing the use of encode in the context of 11944, right?
13:03 barton        ah, thanks! :-)
13:03 oleonard      Hey barton, a belated happy birthday to you!
13:01 marcelr       the two finds would get out of sync little bit
13:01 marcelr       ok
13:01 marcelr       no problem with removing the last patch for find
13:01 khall         doh! Let me test that right now. Haven't been sleeping too well. Daria's teething now ; )
13:00 marcelr       did you test the encode?
13:00 khall         I think renaming new_from_dbic was a good idea
12:59 marcelr       i look
12:59 khall         marcelr: I signed off on your last followup and set to passed qa. Please change the status if you weren't ready to pass it.
12:59 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:58 tcohen        fredericd: did u see my followup for 13157?
12:52 ashimema      what happened to windows in the intervening years since I last played with it..
12:52 ashimema      wow.. this new laptop comes with no less than 7 partitions out of the box..
12:44 khall         does that make sense marcelr?
12:44 khall         in addition, it means we have two separate implementations of fetch which could deviate over time
12:43 khall         marcelr: I really don't see that advantage to having a find method in Koha::Object. We've already got it in Koha::Objects, which is where we have all object getting methods already
12:42 khall         I'm not entirely sure about the encode question. i'll test and confirm if it's needed
12:41 khall         ah, I see
12:41 khall         marcelr: what are your questions?
12:41 jcamins       magnuse: what did I do?
12:40 * cait        has to run off to a meeting
12:40 cait          it has a patch now and is on the circ bugs wiki page
12:40 cait          can someone please sign off the suggestion blocker?
12:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
12:39 marcelr       khall: i looked at bug 13019, have two questions on the report
12:33 huginn        tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (9:00 AM ART on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
12:33 tcohen        @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:15 * tcohen      is uploading the french subtitles
12:15 tcohen        morning cait
12:15 cait          morning tcohen
11:02 magnuse       tcohen often shows up around this time, i think?
11:00 cait          argentina is a few hours behind us, not sure when he will see it
10:55 mveron        Thanks, cait :-)
10:55 cait          i dropped bernardo an email
10:54 * mveron      can not open http://translate.koha-community.org (as yesterday)
10:40 * cait        agrees
10:40 magnuse       hm, that is not how it should work, i *think*
10:35 kivilahtio    magnuse: When doing the full reindexing our searches have always been off when the zebraidx starts, without the -w -flag
10:32 magnuse       no, if you do a normal full reindex, it will build the new index in a temporary location, while serving new searches from the old index. then when the new index is finished it will replace the old index. or so i think...
10:29 kivilahtio    thanks for the tip. I'll try that
10:27 kivilahtio    i htought the searching has always been unavailable during full reindexing
10:16 magnuse       have you tried reindexing without the shadow indexing? that *will* make searching unavailable during the indexing
10:15 magnuse       true
10:15 kivilahtio    lemme see
10:14 kivilahtio    then we shouldn't have a search index in the first place :)
10:14 magnuse       could it be that the full reindex fails silently?
10:11 kivilahtio    still there is the small gnome deleting those index records
10:11 kivilahtio    maybe it doesn't actually reindex fully
10:11 magnuse       i can't remember hearing about that before
10:11 kivilahtio    tell me about it, maybe there is something wrong with the full indexing
10:11 magnuse       wow, that is weird
10:10 kivilahtio    exactly
10:10 kivilahtio    yes
10:10 magnuse       so you notice a record is missing from the index, do a full reindex, still missing, put it in the zebra queue and then when -z has done its thing it is searchable?
10:09 magnuse       yeah, that is really weird
10:09 kivilahtio    but it doesnt' explain why after a full reindex those records are not available
10:08 kivilahtio    cait: I should
10:08 cait          you shoudl setup gnome traps
10:08 cait          y
10:08 cait          that sounds very likel
10:07 kivilahtio    or maybe some message_queue -etries
10:07 kivilahtio    maybe there is a small gnome who randomly logs in to our server and randomly deletes stuff, like zebra index records
10:07 kivilahtio    I think I will crash :)
10:06 * cait        agrees with magnuse
09:58 magnuse       i think it will crash if there is no more space
09:56 kivilahtio    you set the index space from the zebra config files
09:56 kivilahtio    or should Zebra just crash when the allocated disk space is used?
09:55 kivilahtio    is this crazy?
09:55 kivilahtio    I have no idea. My guess is that the space for the zebra index is getting low, or is spent and maybe indexing new records make old records vanish?
09:55 cait          so it's something with how the cronjob runs... occasionally? feels like we can rule out the record itself
09:54 kivilahtio    magnuse: it works fine
09:54 kivilahtio    magnuse: yes
09:51 magnuse       -z
09:51 cait          kivilahtio: for the zebra script koha shoudl take care of that now itself
09:51 magnuse       if you edit the missing record, does it get indexed by the normal process?
09:51 kivilahtio    however
09:51 kivilahtio    magnuse: zebraidx should throw errors if there are errors with the records
09:50 magnuse       anything special about the missing records? like a missing 000 or 001 or something?
09:50 kivilahtio    then log everything
09:50 kivilahtio    cait: I made a wrapper for all koha-cronjobs to time them and to lock them from running on top of each others
09:49 kivilahtio    rebuild_zebra.pl waits for the zebraidx to end before closing hte process
09:48 cait          yeah, 3.16.4 shoudl have that
09:48 kivilahtio    rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z -v runs every two minutes. There is a lock file in place to prevent all our cronjobs from starting before the running cronjobs closes
09:47 kivilahtio    3.16.04
09:47 kivilahtio    yes
09:47 cait          and are you using ht enormal -z way of indexing?
09:46 cait          one index run not finished when the next starts...
09:46 cait          could it be a runtime thing?
09:46 cait          hm which version are you on?
09:43 kivilahtio    I have a gut feeling this is an incredibly painful Zebra-problem
09:42 kivilahtio    sometimes the normal indexing doesn't work
09:42 kivilahtio    exactly, and the records are already normally indexed
09:42 kivilahtio    yes
09:42 cait          seems like your script would do the same as the normal reindexing?
09:42 kivilahtio    Book was in DB and everything was ok but the zebra index record was missing
09:41 cait          sounds indeed a bit weird
09:41 kivilahtio    but we cannot manually reindex (or force reindex) every time we add new records. To add insult to injury, some old records are missing as well. We got a reservation for a book, which couldn't be found.
09:41 kivilahtio    this seems to work
09:40 kivilahtio    magnuse: I run the ModZebra( $biblionumber, "specialUpdate", "biblioserver" ); in a script to add the biblionumber to the zebraqueue and run the incremental rebuild_zebra.pl
09:39 magnuse       very weird if even a full reindex does not help
09:38 magnuse       kivilahtio: how do you "manually reindex those individual records"?
09:37 AmitG         chris around?
09:35 kivilahtio    this is very strange and happens randomly
09:35 kivilahtio    now when I manually reindex those individual records, they become visible in the zebra.
09:34 kivilahtio    magnuse: Any ideas why our Zebra doesn't index all records? In zebraqueue there definetely are entries where the given biblios have been indexed by rebuild_zebra.pl but I cannot find those records from Zebra using the Yaz-client? Even a full bibliographic reindexing doesn't help here.
09:32 magnuse       cool, thought i recognized him
09:31 kivilahtio    maybe
09:31 kivilahtio    lol
09:31 kivilahtio    magnuse: Yes, Ari
09:31 magnuse       ...and into the fire?
09:31 kivilahtio    but I am getting out of the frying pan !!
09:31 magnuse       who was the guy on stage with you? ari mäkiranta?
09:31 kivilahtio    lots of hard work :)
09:31 kivilahtio    thanks magnuse
09:30 magnuse       yeah congrats kivilahtio!
09:29 marcelr       np
09:29 cait          marcelr: sorry, haven't read the whole thread yet - thx for your patience :)
09:27 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12872 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Failed QA , Exclude some fields from Zebra indexing
09:27 marcelr       kivilahtio: see also bug 12872; i have to get it out of FQA again
09:25 kivilahtio    I mean I am finding solutions to manyu issues made possibly by clever use of XSLT
09:25 kivilahtio    but I can imagine issues with large catalogues of 100GB+
09:24 kivilahtio    The more I work with Zebra the less I feel the need to change to elasticsearch
09:24 kivilahtio    *I think I need to read the zebra manual from top to bottom
09:23 kivilahtio    i use DuckDuckgo.org
09:23 cait          or another search of your choice
09:23 kivilahtio    nah
09:23 cait          you could probably also just use google :)
09:23 kivilahtio    strange world
09:23 cait          i think one should have a search funtion at least
09:23 kivilahtio    then we search from gmane to find the entries in koha-devel?
09:22 cait          there are some
09:22 kivilahtio    so gmane.org mirrors our koha-devel -mailinglist?
09:22 kivilahtio    cait: so expect us :)
09:21 cait          great :)
09:21 cait          it sounds like a pretty cool award :)
09:21 kivilahtio    cait: Yeah, we are working on it
09:21 cait          ... and you shoudl write something for the newsletter about that
09:21 kivilahtio    ok
09:21 cait          nabble or something?
09:21 cait          i think you can probably, using one of the mirrors
09:20 kivilahtio    cait: This is a bit silly guestion but can I search the mailing list? All I get is hte archive :(
09:20 kivilahtio    yeah, Ministry of Culture and Education gave us the annual library innovators award
09:19 cait          hm, there was a video and lots of finish, hope google translate didn't mess up :)
09:19 kivilahtio    :)
09:19 kivilahtio    cait: we won a prize?
09:18 kivilahtio    mveron, you should go. It is warm and tasty
09:16 Joubu         Hi cait, #koha o/
09:15 cait          now we need a sign off..
09:15 cait          ... and Joubu++ for patching 13329
09:14 cait          also maybe running a reindex with more verbosity?
09:14 cait          kivilahtio: ther eis a script in the misc folder somewhere... something with slice - it could help you find the records that don't get indexed
09:14 cait          kivilahtio: and congratulations for the prize :)
09:13 cait          kivilahtio: it's sitll being developed i think, if you look on the indexdata website you shoudl see when the last version came out
09:13 cait          kivilahtio: there have been facets for a while - we didn't use them until lately
09:13 * mveron      is invited to a Glögi... Maybe kivilahtio can explain?
09:12 cait          hi Oak, mveron and kivilahtio
09:10 kivilahtio    Is Zebra still under development? I don't remember there being facets in zebra?
09:09 mveron        And hi :-)
09:09 mveron        cait: I prefer Vor-Ort-Ausleihe (On-site-checkouts)
09:09 kivilahtio    CAn I search the mailing list archive?
09:09 kivilahtio    I guess someone must have encountered a similar issue.
09:08 kivilahtio    I am looking for information regarding Zebra not indexing all records in our DB, and can't figure out could we search our mailing list?
09:08 mveron        :-)
09:08 kivilahtio    wahanui is my friend
09:08 wahanui       OK, mveron.
09:08 mveron        wahanui: Are you a bot?  :-)
09:05 huginn        kivilahtio: The current temperature in Kontiolahti, Finland is 0.5°C (11:04 AM EET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling).
09:05 kivilahtio    @wunder Joensuu
09:05 wahanui       OK, kivilahtio.
09:05 kivilahtio    wahanui: I already did, but we are canging our SMS provider
09:04 huginn        mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 10.6°C (10:04 AM CET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
09:04 wahanui       somebody said kivilahtio was working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha
09:04 Oak           hey kivilahtio
09:04 mveron        @wunder Allschwil
09:04 kivilahtio    hello Oak
09:04 mveron        ...and all the others
09:04 mveron        hello Oak
09:04 Oak           Lady Katrin.
09:04 Oak           hello mveron
09:04 Oak           magnuse
09:03 mveron        Hi #koha
08:59 magnuse       Oak
08:56 * Oak         waves
08:44 marcelr       :)
08:44 magnuse       hiya marcelr
08:44 marcelr       hi #koha
08:32 magnuse       bonjour gaetan_B and akafred
08:25 gaetan_B      hello
08:16 cait          heh
08:15 magnuse       maybe someone wanted to give translators the weekend off? ;-)
08:14 cait          hm is pootle down?
08:13 cait          did you have a good time?
08:12 paul_p        (after a week-end in Nazareth)
08:12 paul_p        hi cait. Yep, back home
08:12 cait          are you back home?
08:12 cait          morning paul_p
08:06 cait          hi magnuse
07:59 magnuse       kia ora cait
07:58 cait          hi #koha
07:58 magnuse       one problem with the integrations tests is example data. should we have a default set of sample data? should the tests create the data they need? or should the tests be configurable so they could work with different data?
07:57 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:57 magnuse       @wunder boo
07:57 magnuse       the new library in Bodø: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/nov/21/norway-concert-hall-bodo?CMP=share_btn_link
07:57 magnuse       jcamins++
07:56 alex_a        bonjour
07:49 * ashimema    wishes he had more time to focus on koha at the moment... but alas other projects are at the top of the pile right now :(
07:46 ashimema      will do.. thanks Rangi
07:46 rangi         also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_testing_with_WWW::Mechanize
07:45 rangi         ashimema: look at  t/db_dependent/www/batch.t
07:39 reiveune      hello
07:36 ashimema      hense walking into a shop and getting one off the shelf
07:36 ashimema      I had to get one in a hurry magnuse.. my last one finally completely blew up last week and I'm meant to be out with customers this week..
07:36 huginn        ashimema: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
07:36 ashimema      @you'de like to login to your new computer would you... ok, you'll need a microsoft account for that.. tell me every tiny personal detail about you and i'll store it forever on my cloud.. then, maybe, if your locuky I'll let you sign in to your new computer
07:36 * magnuse     bought a laptop without an os
07:35 ashimema      and man windos 8.1 is really really naughty demanding personal details all over the shop
07:34 cait          andnow... i amreally gone :)
07:34 cait          hope it will stop you from falling out of irc all the time :)
07:34 cait          but good luck with the new machine
07:34 ashimema      it's madness
07:34 ashimema      I've never seen so many crazy partitions shippped on a machine before..
07:34 cait          boooo for the windows thing
07:34 cait          for the new machine
07:33 cait          ashimema: yay!!!
07:33 ashimema      before I strip it of windows and install linux I felt I aught to back up the spagetti of partitions they now call windows... just in case I eer needed to make a warranty claim (as they seem to claim warranties are now void if you wipe windows!)
07:32 ashimema      I got myself a shiny new latop on saturday..
07:32 ashimema      dd is a linux tool to bit by bit copy stuff cait.
07:32 wahanui       dd is, like, Debian Developer
07:32 cait          dd?
07:32 * ashimema    thinks he may have to re-acquaint himself with 'dd' today.
07:31 magnuse       one of these days i will get around to reading http://modernperlbooks.com/mt/2012/08/simplified-html-testing-with-mojodom-and-mech.html
07:31 magnuse       have fun cait
07:31 cait          bbiab
07:31 cait          talking about steps... it's time to go to owrk :)
07:31 ashimema      doesn't stop me wishing they worked a bit better though ;)
07:30 liw           (but I have not enough experience with web stuff to be able to say anything actually useful that Koha _should_ do)
07:30 ashimema      indeed... me to
07:30 magnuse       good point, liw
07:30 liw           I've found the "recording" type test frameworks to be fragile against changes: you get to re-create the test too often when minute details change that don't really affect the thing being tested but ruin the recording
07:29 magnuse       one step at a time :-)
07:29 cait          there is soo crzay much we shoudl be doing
07:29 cait          with our templates changing too much, not sure if it makes sense to have them right now or focus on other clean up tasks first
07:29 magnuse       hehe
07:28 ashimema      else it would be a meanigless 'test'
07:28 ashimema      warning if they don't replay correctly of course
07:27 ashimema      Would be fantastic to have a 'record' type testing framework.. to just record and replay actions
07:27 cait          that is maybe a bit too ambiious
07:27 ashimema      indeed.. that's a more sensible route.. but also more work and my understanding was that selenium should be so simple that every day users could write/record tests
07:26 cait          ashimema: me neither
07:26 magnuse       i think of it as tests using Test::WWW::Mechanize or something similar
07:26 ashimema      Never could get Selenium working reliably...
07:26 ashimema      I'm still a bit hazy on writing integration tests (as apposed to unit tests) myself thouhg :(
07:25 laurence      hi magnuse
07:25 ashimema      Don't we all Magnuse
07:25 * magnuse     wishes we had tons of integration tests
07:25 magnuse       kia ora ashimema and laurence
07:24 ashimema      Monring #koha
07:16 cait          night dcook
07:16 magnuse       have fun dcook
07:16 dcook         Night all :)
07:16 dcook         Ok. I got to bounce.
07:15 * magnuse     sent tcohen an email
06:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13314 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Fixes to .mailmap for the 3.18 release
06:56 magnuse       also bug 13314
06:54 magnuse       cait++
06:54 magnuse       this looks promising: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=gitdm/domain-map :-)
06:53 * dcook       isn't sure
06:53 cait          tomas said he had asked on the list, but i think imissed the mail
06:53 magnuse       ah, ok
06:53 cait          magnuse: i think maybe in the release notes script
06:53 magnuse       i thought it was .mailmap, but it doesn't look like it
06:53 dcook         magnuse: How do you mean?
06:52 magnuse       hm, is there somwhere we map between email domain names and institution names?
06:50 dcook         I was a bit swamped today and couldn't confirm for sure
06:50 dcook         btw, thanks for opening that report, cait :)
06:50 dcook         heya magnuse && cait
06:50 * magnuse     waves
05:06 dcook         Almost pulled one of those O_o faces
05:06 dcook         Ahh, k. For a moment, I thought you were saying that it was sane
05:05 eythian       there is no planet where this is sane
05:05 eythian       then you can use svc/config/systempreferences/* and it responds in json
05:04 eythian       well, you call svc/authenticate and it responds in XML
05:04 dcook         ?
05:03 eythian       there's also this handy library for working with json, but to authenticate, you use the XML part.
05:03 * dcook       counts how many super long emails he's just sent out
05:03 eythian       definitely
05:03 dcook         Maybe
05:03 dcook         If we went to a more service oriented structure, it would probably be easier to be consistent
05:02 dcook         I wonder sometimes how many rules it would take to be consistent though..
05:02 dcook         Koha isn't that great for consistency
05:02 dcook         Agreed
04:56 eythian       one or the other, I don't care which
04:56 eythian       that's dumb
04:55 dac           Like... 99.9% sure
04:55 * dac         is pretty sure that's true
04:53 eythian       I hope that's not true
04:53 * eythian     notes that it looks like the /svc API sometimes returns XML, sometimes JSON.
04:28 eythian       nope, she's gone
04:25 AmitG         liz around?
04:25 AmitG         heya all
03:08 dcook         Man... yeah... suggestions is ugly as sin
02:58 dcook         The other one is... ugh
02:58 dcook         Ah, that's just a plain old accidental bug, me thinks
02:49 dcook         Mmm, rather old code...
02:48 dcook         my $suggestion      = $input->Vars;
02:48 dcook         wth...
02:45 dcook         And... dbic error
02:42 dcook         Yeah... I'm thinking it's coincidence
02:41 dcook         Unless that's coincidence...
02:41 dcook         But it seems to work right in dev
02:40 dcook         Nope. Code looks the same in prod and in dev...
02:40 dcook         Hmm...
02:39 dcook         I'm thinking this is something that got fixed..
02:39 dcook         $suggestion_ref isn't a copy... it's a reference to the object
02:38 dcook         Because... my $suggestion_ref  = $input->Vars;
02:38 dcook         $$suggestion_ref{'branchcode'} = C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'};
02:37 dcook         Yep, I'm pretty sure that's it
02:36 dcook         Which makes it super not obvious
02:36 dcook         I'm guessing it's because of a reference somewhere...
02:36 dcook         Somehow $input is being changed but I have no idea how..
02:33 dcook         ;)
02:33 dcook         Overall, no
02:33 dcook         In this case, I think so
02:33 dcook         Mmm
02:32 ibeardslee    are they mutually exclusive?
02:30 dcook         Ok... glad to know I'm not going crazy... something weird is happening..
02:14 dcook         [off] Ok, j/k. It's not me. Just yet another doppelganger...
02:13 dcook         [off] for those not on my FB: check out what I'm a part of: http://www.indiewire.com/article/why-nonprofits-are-the-future-of-indie-film-20141112
01:23 dcook         Ah wait...
01:22 dcook         No idea at all how $input->param('branchcode') can possibly be set...
01:21 dcook         whew
01:21 dcook         Ah wait, that's not doing what I thought it was doing
01:20 dcook         $params .= $key . '=' . uri_escape($input->param($key)) . '&'
01:19 dcook         wth..
01:14 dcook         There shouldn't be any input...
01:12 dcook         $$suggestion_ref{'branchcode'} = C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'};
01:12 dcook         Huh...
01:12 dcook         :S
01:12 dcook         my $displayby       = $input->param('displayby') || '';
01:11 dcook         my $branchfilter = ($displayby ne "branchcode") ? $input->param('branchcode') : '';
01:05 dcook         At least in 3.14.5
01:04 dcook         And deleting all sorts of stuff out of that and yeah... it's a bit of a mess
01:04 eythian       eww
01:04 dcook         :S
01:04 dcook         my $suggestion_ref  = $input->Vars;
01:04 dcook         But then I also see this
01:04 eythian       ah
01:04 dcook         So even though I have 5 suggestions for 5 branches, it's always going to use the first suggestion for the first branch :S
01:03 eythian       ah
01:03 dcook         It looks like it's using the first suggestion it comes across...
01:03 dcook         What I meant is... I don't know why the script uses the suggestion in a lot of places...
01:03 eythian       it's just usually you don't need them
01:03 dcook         Ah, that's not what I meant
01:03 eythian       they're not common, but they're sensible enough
01:03 eythian       it's just a scalar dereference
01:02 dcook         I probably don't understand it correctly though as it's all over the place
01:02 dcook         If I understand "$$suggestion_ref" correctly, it's absolutely ridiculous..
00:55 dcook         So annoying
00:54 wizzyrea      I've seen that, it's an annoying thing.
00:54 eythian       I could be wrong though
00:54 eythian       though I thought it was fixed
00:54 eythian       it's a constant annoyance
00:54 eythian       because it's dumb
00:52 dcook         suggestion.pl is sure an interesting place to find oneself...
00:50 dcook         On an unrelated note, does anyone know why Suggestions might filter by default to the user's branch only sometimes?
00:43 wahanui       okay, eythian.
00:43 eythian       wahanui: metadata is also <reply>http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=1176
00:43 wahanui       ...but metadata is data... down with the distinction. ;)...
00:43 eythian       wahanui: metadata is <reply>http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=1176
00:40 eythian       err, probalby not useful for most of you
00:40 eythian       http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=324e2f59c546a5dca0a29bfd3&id=174555d47c
00:38 dcook         Yeah, I just did that
00:38 eythian       ls -l will tell you
00:38 dcook         Mmm, that must be the case this time
00:38 eythian       I should make them be the same user
00:38 eythian       because it's switching between web and command line
00:38 eythian       I regularly get it creating with the wrong permissions in my dev environment.
00:36 dcook         (Although in hindsight, that might not be the problem I'm having atm)
00:36 dcook         That makes sense
00:36 eythian       so it's never owned by someone else
00:36 dcook         Sweet
00:36 dcook         Actually...
00:36 eythian       oh, in the packages, the web stuff runs as the relevant user
00:36 dcook         As it's owned by someone else
00:35 dcook         Well at the moment, when I go to supggestions.pl, I'm getting a fatal error because the web server can't write to that cache file
00:35 wahanui       well, the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
00:35 eythian       what's the question?
00:35 eythian       it...serves web pages?
00:35 dcook         As it would need to write... help files and some cache files
00:35 dcook         So how does the web server factor in?
00:34 dcook         That's what I was thinking
00:30 eythian       koha-instancename
00:30 eythian       it's a user per instance
00:30 dcook         Who owns the Koha files with the packages?
00:29 dcook         init that is
00:29 dcook         Yeah, it does
00:27 eythian       iirc it activates all the cache types on init
00:27 eythian       it might create it, not sure if it'll use it.
00:27 eythian       they don't set it up by default
00:26 dcook         That's... surprising
00:26 dcook         Hmm... still using sharefile-koha-koha when I have MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE set anyways it seems...
00:25 dcook         It's been a while since I've used them
00:25 * dcook       was thinking a bit about how the Debian packages must work...
00:25 dcook         Do the packages set up memcached by default?
00:24 dcook         Apparently suggestions.pl also uses Koha::Cache...
00:24 wahanui       well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:24 dcook         Interesting...