Time  Nick         Message
23:43 tcohen       ok, will patch it to use DOM too, just in case
23:42 rangi        but not sure if others are
23:42 rangi        when i had jenkins doing a full install
23:42 rangi        i was using it
23:38 tcohen       is install_misc/environment_Makefile.PL used?
23:30 tcohen       if the user is still on GRS-1
23:30 tcohen       adn add a message to the about page
23:29 rangi        sounds good to me
23:29 tcohen       i will just make DOM the default everuwhere
23:29 rangi        yep
23:28 tcohen       we are not deleting grs1 support, it should at least be announced with enough time
23:28 tcohen       we have deprecated grs1, meaning we are not patching it unless on the stable branch 3.16, since june)
23:27 tcohen       it is worth asking, of course
23:25 rangi        hmmm for new installs? id be inclined to say yes, but id check with the people doing icu and stuff .. its all fine with that eh?
23:24 tcohen       rangi: grs1 deprecated, should we just remove it from the install options?
23:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #200: FIXED in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/200/
23:23 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
23:23 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
23:15 eythian      np
23:15 tcohen       eythian: thanks for closing it
23:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #183: FIXED in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/183/
23:12 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
23:12 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
23:11 * tcohen     agrees
23:10 eythian      (though, we have a lot of stuff still on it, so this won't be really soon.)
23:09 eythian      I would like to start deprecating squeeze some time soonish, really.
23:09 tcohen       oh
23:09 eythian      I added an updated module to the repo
23:09 tcohen       ok
23:09 tcohen       :-D
23:09 eythian      I just didn't close the bug
23:09 tcohen       how is that?
23:08 eythian      fixed it a while back
23:08 eythian      tcohen: it's fixed
23:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12689 blocker, P3, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Search.t fails to run on Squeeze
23:08 eythian      bug 12689
23:03 tcohen       eythian: what should we do about 12689
22:48 tcohen       night cait
22:48 wahanui      goodnight cait. You'll be back.
22:48 cait         night all
22:47 cait         :) too late today, but thx foroffering
22:46 tcohen       cait: can i help u debugging it?
22:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13120 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Invalid HTML generated by MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
22:37 bgkriegel_   Q: Bug 13120, w3c validator complains but not for oleonard id's, but for some '&' not expressed as '&' in urls, seems some code on facets
22:35 cait         gr
22:35 tcohen       eythian++
22:35 pastebot     "tcohen" at pasted "mine" (48 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/246
22:35 eythian      if no protocol is specified, gopher:// is assumed.
22:33 cait         paste.koha-community.org/245
22:32 tcohen       output?
22:32 tcohen       cait: not failing here, or on jenkins
22:32 cait         and i already truncated reserves and old_reserves :(
22:31 cait         my t/db_d/Holds.t are exploding
22:31 tcohen       still cannot figure
22:31 tcohen       that fails "sometimes"
22:31 tcohen       there's a situation with Serials.t
22:31 cait         hm
22:31 tcohen       cait: no
22:31 cait         tcohen: should be any tests failing atm?
22:31 tcohen       the whole tags thing should be refactored into zebra/es
22:30 tcohen       exactly
22:30 bgkriegel_   ok :)
22:30 rangi        /cgi-bin/koha/admin/fieldmapping.pl that one
22:29 eythian      oh, the other is specific to a framework
22:29 tcohen       Keywords to MARC mapping on Admin
22:29 eythian      but only one shows in the staff client
22:29 eythian      the db I'm looking at has two entries
22:29 eythian      admin
22:29 eythian      I don't know
22:29 rangi        yeah from staff the keyword thingy in admin .. or tools?
22:29 eythian      maybe not
22:29 eythian      hmm
22:29 eythian      I think it's the keyword thing
22:28 bgkriegel_   is there a way to put some values on it from staff, or only using sql?
22:28 eythian      hmm, maybe that's changed then, this db I'm looking at has the subtitle thing, and I've definitely seen that elswhere.
22:28 cait         it's an optional feature
22:28 cait         hm we have no sample values for it, i think ti should not have negative effects if it is empty
22:27 bgkriegel_   eythian: no :) only russian and ukranian installs have something
22:26 bgkriegel_   but mine is empty, so i don't get expected results
22:26 eythian      that subtitle one I think is an optional thing that can be installed
22:26 rangi        yeah im pretty sure its empty by default
22:26 rangi        yeah
22:26 rangi        ah right, i remember now
22:26 bgkriegel_   it use GetRecordValue, which do a selct from fieldmapping
22:26 eythian      |  2 | subtitle                  |               | 245       | b            |
22:26 eythian      +----+---------------------------+---------------+-----------+--------------+
22:26 eythian      | id | field                     | frameworkcode | fieldcode | subfieldcode |
22:26 rangi        hmm
22:26 rangi        ahh
22:25 eythian      it's that keyword buisiness
22:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13083 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Hard-coded " by " in opac-tags.pl
22:25 bgkriegel_   checking bug 13083
22:25 rangi        https://mahara.org/interaction/forum/topic.php?id=6509  <-- we need our own song too
22:25 rangi        what is that table even for?
22:25 tcohen       hi bgkriegel_
22:25 bgkriegel_   hi tcohen
22:25 bgkriegel_   question: fieldmapping table is empty by default?
22:24 rangi        hi tcohen
22:24 eythian      hi tcohen
22:24 tcohen       hi there
22:02 eythian      I don't know vmware, so can't help there.
22:02 eythian      cbrannon: you're going to have to make sure that your desktop can access the IP allocated to the virtual machine.
22:01 wizzyrea     I recall it was a bit tricky the last time I did it which was ages ago.
22:01 cbrannon     I've no idea how to point my host desktop to my vm.
22:00 eythian      (also, I wouldn't have gone with squeeze, wheezy has been out for a year or so now.)
22:00 eythian      I think it's something like /windows/system32/etc/hosts or similar on windows.
21:59 eythian      yeah, the packages use virtual hosts by default, so you need to modify your /etc/hosts like in the instructions.
21:59 cbrannon     localhost:8080 just says unable to connect
21:58 eythian      It's more or less the same.
21:58 cbrannon     with Debian Squeeze
21:58 cbrannon     Except I can't do the first part with the ip addresses.  These instructions are on a ubuntu desktop.  Can't find any instructions installing in VM on a windows desktop.
21:57 cbrannon     eythian: pretty much the way described here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment#Step:_Install_Koha
21:54 eythian      cbrannon: how did you install it?
21:53 bgkriegel_   cbrannon: http://localhost:8080/?
21:52 cbrannon     Anyone have any ideas?
21:52 cbrannon     Trying to install koha on VMWare.  Got it installed, but not sure how to get to the staff interface.  If I type "localhost" I see the maintenance page, but can't figure out how to get to the staff side.
21:49 wizzyrea     haha
21:48 rangi        hehe i got the traditional one, not suave
21:48 wizzyrea     it's suave
21:47 cait         rangi: i win :(
21:46 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.3°C (11:45 PM CEST on October 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
21:46 cait         @wunder Konstanz
21:46 rangi        http://amigofoods.co.nz/YerbaMate  <-- ill try the Rosamonte next time
21:45 bgkriegel_   and will be hotter, if forecast is right :(
21:45 bgkriegel_   hehe
21:44 wizzyrea     downright chillly.
21:44 rangi        not hot
21:44 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on October 24, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
21:44 rangi        @wunder nzwn
21:44 bgkriegel_   hot
21:44 rangi        ahh right
21:44 huginn       bgkriegel_: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 33.6°C (6:40 PM ART on October 23, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
21:44 bgkriegel_   @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:44 bgkriegel_   it's piporé, strees on last e, a guarani word
21:43 bgkriegel_   yeah, it's ok
21:43 rangi        it seems to taste ok to me .. but im a novice :)
21:43 rangi        is pipore an ok brand for mate?
21:42 bgkriegel_   hi rangi :)
21:42 rangi        hi bgkriegel_ :)
21:42 bgkriegel_   Hola!
21:32 cait         hi eythian :)
21:32 eythian      also, hi
21:32 eythian      I've had a bit of a play with it, it seems pretty functional and simple.
21:32 cait         rangi: thx, looking
21:14 rangi        https://github.com/taigaio
21:14 rangi        https://taiga.io/
21:13 rangi        taiga?
21:11 * wizzyrea   doesn't have any particularly good recommendations there.
21:10 cait         well plan - but that's awful
21:10 cait         found nothing so far
21:10 cait         looking for a usable project management software
21:10 cait         hm
21:02 cait         heh
21:01 rangi        hmm i need tcohen or bgkriegel here to take the first few hits of the mate for me, so i get the more mellow ones
20:47 rangi        they should spend less time shooting elephants and hiring booth babes and more time making a service which doesnt suck
20:46 rangi        also godaddy ... ewwww
20:06 mtj          ...long time no chat - hope things are well for you :0)
20:06 * mtj        waves to druthb_away
20:00 mtj          indeed
19:59 druthb       they might.  Linode works Very Well, and at very reasonable prices.
19:58 mtj          ah yeah, i thought go-daddy might offer a VPS service,  rather than shared-hosting
19:57 druthb       I don't think it'd work well in a shared-hosting environment; no real easy way to run services and such, like Zebra.   But in a VPS system, sure.
19:56 mtj          not sure about go-daddy tho
19:55 mtj          Rich_T, some folks use linode and digital-ocean hosting for Koha
19:50 Rich_T       anyone running Koha via hosting company such as Go Daddy?
19:13 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11586 follow-up, FA framework update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37a0a5983a4a0ff173eade7dfc373688aeed04ed> / Bug 11586 follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffd6bd5e3c130d36e0999b3f3001faf7952d3d58> / Bug 11586: Better default framework for UNIMARC - zebra conf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3acefc3191aabb74cc28d
19:01 cait         oleonard++ :)
18:59 oleonard     Bye #koha
18:18 cait         rangi++
18:18 cait         :)
18:08 tcohen       awesome
18:08 tcohen       oh, I see
18:08 rangi        exactly 100 signoffs in october .. at the moment
18:08 rangi        Total - 100
18:08 rangi        tcohen: on the dashboard
18:07 tcohen       (hi :-D)
18:07 tcohen       rangi: where?
18:06 rangi        i also added totals to the signoffs, and qa columns now so we can see monthly and yearly totals :)
18:06 rangi        Needs Signoff - 186 43 bugs
18:06 rangi        oleonard: i put the number on the dashboard to make it so you dont have to count :)
18:05 wahanui      oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
18:05 rangi        heya oleonard
18:05 oleonard     Hi rangi
18:03 rangi        they have put up 3 really good proposals 3 years in a row
18:02 rangi        unless they say they no longer want it
18:02 rangi        yeah kohacon15 is decided already
18:00 oleonard     The list of non-enhancement bugs needing signoff is really not that big: I count 43
17:35 oleonard     if we followed the same schedule then the deadline for 2016 would be around August 2015
17:22 cait         that's more than a year away
17:22 cait         there is no deadline set yet for 2016
17:10 mtompset     To force people to follow up.
17:10 mtompset     Need a deadline.
17:10 mtompset     When does the proposal have to be in by?
17:10 cait         and it's a ibt early for 2016 maybe
17:10 cait         unless they say they don't want to do it
17:09 cait         2015 is nigeria
17:09 cait         sorry
17:09 cait         um
17:09 cait         kohacon15 votes haven't opened yet i think
17:08 mtompset     If I pushed for a Filipino proposal up in the next 2-3 weeks, is that time enough for it to be considered for Kohacon 2015?
17:05 cait         oleonard-away:  is right, i think brooke put it up on the wiki, but we neverheard more
17:01 oleonard     I think someone may have emailed for more information, but I could be wrong.
17:00 oleonard     So it hasn't been considered to be a genuine proposal.
17:00 oleonard     The only information we got from Zambia was the email to the list. I wasn't even they who updated the wiki page.
16:56 mtompset     Chrispin Simasiku Sitali  put up Zambia without other information.
16:55 mtompset     Crispin put up Zambia.
16:53 mtompset     Thanks for the information. It is so hard to rally my Filipino friends and colleagues.
16:52 mtompset     Ah.
16:52 oleonard     Friday 15 August 2014 was the deadline.
16:50 mtompset     When is the last day to get a proposal in?
16:49 wahanui      rumour has it kohacon is http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon14/
16:49 mtompset     Kohacon.
16:49 mtompset     Specifically 2015.
16:49 mtompset     I have a question about the last meeting.
16:49 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
16:33 hbraum       bye
16:33 hbraum       i have to make handout copies and head out the door — library is 45 minutes away. Good luck!
16:32 hbraum       i’ve got a couple of things about webim and iceweasel? browser? but those notes aren’t making much sense at this point.
16:32 hbraum       cbrannon this is all i can find at this time; not sure how complete the notes are. I know we did more, though that day… https://docs.google.com/document/d/1honm9n7Yb1h-kngVOYPuCdtmnqRU6OI3fZsKg4OXqA0/edit?usp=sharing
16:26 hbraum       cbrannon looking now…
16:20 ashimema     have fun :)
16:20 ashimema     coolios.. well shout if you ever need any deb help.. there's plenty of us here that'l happily advise ;)
16:19 cbrannon     Thanks.  I've bookmarked these resources.  However, I still need to build from the ground up.  I want to make sure I understand it all, and I need a box on my desktop.  Last one was on my personal laptop.
16:17 ashimema     have fun
16:17 ashimema     anywho.. feel free to do whichever.. though this may say you the time of starting form scratch ;)
16:17 ashimema     tere's a few guides to it.. us admins are notorious for forgetting such important information aye ;)
16:16 ashimema     http://xmodulo.com/how-to-reset-root-password-in-debian-ubuntu.html
16:16 ashimema     https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Debian_reset_root_password
16:15 cbrannon     ashimema, if I was a seasoned pro at debian, perhaps.  I'm still getting adjusted to the environment.
16:14 ashimema     sorry.. randomly butting in ;)
16:14 cbrannon     Thanks.  I'll keep scouring.  I just remember what we used at the meeting seemed to work the best.
16:14 ashimema     for the existing vm that is..
16:13 ashimema     brannon.. surely you can boot into single user mode and change the root passwords ;)
16:13 hbraum       Let me get a couple of things done and then see if I still have my notes somewhere. And I haven’t touched mine either.
16:11 cbrannon     I haven't been able to touch my Koha VM since the meeting.  I can't remember my credentials!  So, I am trying to build a new one.  And I can't for the life of me remember which set of instructions we worked with at the meeting.  Do you?
16:10 hbraum       uh oh…what did you do?
16:09 cbrannon     hbraum, I did something bad.
16:08 hbraum       fifth.
16:07 hbraum       i plead the fifht.
16:07 hbraum       heading out in 30 minutes to train a new staff member at one of our libraries.
16:07 cbrannon     You rebel.
16:07 hbraum       hi cbrannon! I’m actually in IRC…for a few minutes…shocking, I know :)
16:07 cbrannon     Hi hbraum!
16:03 gaetan_B     byez
16:02 hbraum       hi oleonard :) i know i need to be in here more often!
16:01 oleonard     Hi hbraum
16:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol
16:00 oleonard     I'm thinking of testing Bug 5010 but I'm not sure I have enough provisions to make it through the test plan
15:44 khall        s/and/a
15:44 khall        oleonard: this new system still won't let the system trap and non-circulating item for a hold
15:43 khall        that would be nice, but record level holds are getting in the way ; )
15:42 oleonard     having item-level itemtypes should make biblio-level itemtypes irrelevant
15:40 oleonard     Pity the library which has circulating and non-circulating items attached to the same record.
15:39 khall        but it makes the most sense to have them match
15:39 khall        if the holds is record-level, it will use the limitations based on the record's itemtype
15:39 khall        If the hold is an item-level hold, it will use the limitations based on the item's itemtype
15:38 khall        not, they don't don't to be identical
15:38 oleonard     ...but only if they are identical?
15:38 oleonard     So the fix is intended to enable hold limitation by itemtype for records which have both biblio-level itemtype and item-level itemtype?
15:37 khall        that is correct
15:33 oleonard     Sorry, don't work for item-level itemtypes?
15:33 oleonard     And the pre-patch behavior is that hold limitations by itemtype don't work for item-level holds?
15:31 khall        yes, if you haven't set a biblio-level itemtype you'll get the same pre-patch behavior
15:30 oleonard     It makes sense that a hold limit by itemtype doesn't work if the two records lack a biblio-level itemtype?
15:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12632 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Hold limits ignored for record level holds with item level itemtypes
15:30 oleonard     I'm confused about Bug 12632
15:29 khall        waht's up?
15:29 oleonard     khall around?
14:18 cait         hm
14:18 * oleonard   makes a big batch of chocolate-filled alfajores, then scrapes out all the chocolate to send to jcamins
14:15 cait         lol
14:15 jcamins      Just send me all the chocolate.
14:14 jcamins      In fact, I think the alfajores might be too much work.
14:14 jcamins      A lot of chocolate.
14:14 * jcamins    thinks that any alfajores he makes would need chocolate to offset the stress of the fact that he's having his bathroom renovated in four weeks.
14:09 * cait       thinks htat jcamins should make some alfajores and share with oleonard :)
14:06 ashimema     man those look tasty
14:05 ashimema     might be a bit sprawling.. shout if you would like me to cut it down.
14:05 ashimema     on trello..
14:05 ashimema     I've written a quick splurge on Shib tcohen..
14:01 cait         mmh
13:58 oleonard     http://www.recipegirl.com/2009/03/30/how-to-make-homemade-alfajores/
13:57 * oleonard   googled alfajores and is hungry now
13:57 cait         hm vocabulary words?
13:56 cait         my next spanish calss is tomorrow... i am worried :) didn't learn my vocabulary!
13:56 cait         aah
13:55 tcohen       alfajor
13:55 cait         or more one... what's the singular?
13:54 * cait       rewards herself with alfajores
13:51 ashimema     good answer cait
13:49 tcohen       cait: that's a good answer
13:46 cait         and point to the database structure?
13:46 cait         i think i am going to tell them that they are normally written to the database with custom written scripts
13:46 cait         hmmm
13:43 ashimema     he's got a repo of such scripts.. but it's only a starting place ;)
13:43 ashimema     best stating point might be eythian's repo..
13:42 ashimema     there isn't just a standard form to stick it in koha via a pre-written script out there..
13:42 ashimema     from a random system.. they'll probably need to write their own scripts.. that's kinda the support providers bread and butter ;)
13:40 cait         question on the german mailing list
13:40 cait         do we have scripts somewhere? i thought there were some migration tools somewhere, but too blind to spot them right now
13:40 cait         hmmm what would you tell a library that asks how to import checkouts, subscriptions etc. into koha?
13:32 cait         tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Automatic_renewal_RFC
13:31 ashimema     thanks
13:31 ashimema     k.. will do it before I go away then
13:31 cait         tcohen: there is a wiki page :)
13:31 tcohen       asap
13:31 ashimema     When do you need those shib ntoes for tcohen.. trying to schedule stuff around leave next week ;)
13:30 ashimema     and i've also kinda decided I don't like the 'Request' object being under a Borrower object.. it made sense at first.. but makes less sense now we've worked on it somemore ;)
13:30 tcohen       cait: will you ask Holger for some notes about his feature?
13:29 ashimema     There's stuff in there that should really be factored out into the other modules/namespaces..
13:29 ashimema     my Koha::Service::ILL module is a bit of a hackup at the minute though.. very much a work in progress..
13:28 jcamins      tcohen: _I_ want an iññ namespace.
13:27 * cait       thinks it does
13:27 ashimema     does that make sense?
13:27 cait         being more obvious what we are doing there
13:27 ashimema     I'de expect the 'checkout' action to get passed on to a ~/circ/ api route
13:27 tcohen       ok
13:27 cait         i like having it by module i think - it will be good as it grows
13:27 ashimema     the ill object is meant to only handle the 'requests' workflow..
13:26 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:26 tcohen       @later tell gmcharlt is it possible that the idea of IsStringUTF8ish is to be loose regarding UTF-8 validity?
13:26 ashimema     'get ~/ill/:id' for example returning the entire ILL object with specified id
13:26 tcohen       that's what I meant
13:26 tcohen       but if you are implementing /checkout for ill, maybe is not ill specific
13:25 ashimema     so.. you'de query the api via /api/*version*/ill[thing you want to do]
13:25 ashimema     though perhaps it could just be /api/version/router (with all routes defined in that file).. but I like to have seperation on concerns more than that..
13:24 jcamins      Ah.
13:24 ashimema     ill is not so much a namespace as a route
13:24 tcohen       jcamins: it's a wrongly written 'ill' word
13:24 * ashimema   is really opinionated about api's now
13:23 jcamins      iññ?
13:23 tcohen       sorry ill
13:23 cait         tcohen: maybe leave a comment on the bug if you haven't yet - might wake up dpavlin
13:23 tcohen       do u need the 'iññ' namespace at all?
13:23 cait         :)
13:23 ashimema     I'de like a really clear distinction between 'the new way' and 'the old way'/'the old ways'
13:23 ashimema     along those lines at least..
13:22 ashimema     but i was planning to do exactly as you suggest.. /api/*version*/ill
13:22 ashimema     at the moment I've just added an /svc/ill
13:22 tcohen       please :-D
13:21 ashimema     haha.. could do ;)
13:21 tcohen       please?
13:21 tcohen       /api/v1/ ?
13:21 tcohen       what will you call the endpoint?
13:17 ashimema     it's in many messy commits thus far..  and need tidying still.. but as a proof of concept on working with those two it's not too bad.
13:17 tcohen       anyone working on the UTF8 patches, please take a look at IsStringUTF8ish mis-behaving on the branch
13:16 ashimema     if anyone's interested..
13:16 ashimema     there's my crazily hasty work to date on implimenting a new module using both koha::objects and koha::services.
13:16 ashimema     https://github.com/mrenvoize/Koha/tree/ill_master
13:16 tcohen       well, it is Koha, but away from the technicall stuff
13:15 tcohen       you get too worried about organizational stuff, and cannot focus on Koha
13:15 ashimema     sending cookies
13:15 ashimema     haha.. poor tcohen..
13:14 tcohen       the RM shouldn't host a conference at the same time
13:14 jcamins      ashimema: my gut said that too.
13:14 tcohen       ashimema: what i saw was some syntactic sugar for building more readable code, but havent gone through it
13:14 ashimema     to see how they fit together.
13:14 * ashimema   would like to point out that he's spent the last three weeks or so buildig a module on top of both koha::objects and koha::services
13:13 ashimema     which seems a bit maddening..
13:13 ashimema     my gut is telling me that with the current koha:objects stuff we're basically going to end up building dbix::class again.. on top of dbix::class
13:13 tcohen       ashimema: impressive
13:12 cait         but we need to move in one direction
13:12 cait         I don't care by now how we do it
13:11 * ashimema   should probably go get back to normal work again
13:11 ashimema     and make me start asking questions of the objects again..
13:11 ashimema     They relate fairly nicely to the Objects..
13:10 tcohen       cait: IsStringUTF8ish is used for several marc conversions, so a sensitive one
13:10 ashimema     https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/commit/b0778d4f676cabbe69f7d67c84667fe633868fda
13:10 tcohen       ashimema: no
13:09 ashimema     have you seen pianohackers work on Koha::Services?
13:08 tcohen       the result was compact and readable code
13:08 tcohen       i don't like the code, but it seems pretty handy
13:08 ashimema     none of them went onto bugzilla ;)
13:07 ashimema     what were your feeling/thoughts
13:07 tcohen       with Joubu and rangi
13:07 tcohen       we've worked with that during the hackfest
13:07 ashimema     wondered if you could give any comments on the bug ;)
13:06 * cait       got her own still :P
13:06 ashimema     tcohen, have you cast your eye's over the koha::objects stuff much.. ?
13:04 tcohen       no alfajores for cait
13:04 tcohen       hmpf
13:04 oleonard     tcohen shall not be refused! FEAR HIS WRATH!
13:03 cait         i can try when i get home?
13:03 cait         tcohen: not right now sorry, working on something
13:00 ashimema     hopefully it might get some movement on them again ;)
13:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen
13:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
12:59 ashimema     cait.. was just about to copy my thoughts about bug 13019 added to bug 12892 to the other bug..
12:57 tcohen       :-D
12:57 ashimema     nice desktop tcohen
12:57 tcohen       cait: can u confirm the biblibre/ft/bug_11944 branch is failing Charset.t?
12:56 tcohen       (yours)
12:56 tcohen       maybe you should change the init script to match the current user
12:56 tcohen       if you are on a dev setup
12:56 oleonard     I see, thanks tcohen
12:54 tcohen       grep -q koha /etc/passwd || echo "User koha not defined"
12:54 tcohen       grep koha /etc/passwd
12:51 oleonard     Anyone know why is "sudo service koha-zebra-daemon start" giving me the error "Invalid --user argument: 'koha.koha' (unknown user koha)" ?
12:50 tcohen       ah, no
12:48 tcohen       it is using the utf8* tools
12:48 tcohen       ah
12:47 tcohen       "verify octets are not valid UTF-8"
12:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects
12:45 cait         bug 13019 need ssignoff...
12:45 cait         ashimema++
12:45 cait         maybe we are testing weird behaviour? which tests fail?
12:44 wahanui      interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad
12:44 cait         hm interesting
12:44 tcohen       t/Charset.t is failing with that
12:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
12:44 tcohen       bug 11944
12:34 tcohen       http://snag.gy/ePlpd.jpg
12:27 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:27 tcohen       @later tell rangi i'm seeing this error on jenkins http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/193/console
12:23 tcohen       morning talljoy
12:23 oleonard     Why is "sudo service koha-zebra-daemon start" giving me the error "Invalid --user argument: 'koha.koha' (unknown user koha)"
12:23 talljoy      good morning tcohen
12:22 talljoy      good morning #koha
12:19 francharb    good morning #koha
12:00 ashimema     Hi #koha
11:54 oleonard     Hi #koha
11:34 cait         :) tcohen!
11:26 Oak          later guys.
11:25 Oak          okay magnuse :) nice!
11:04 magnuse      cait, Oak: today is my stay-at-home-with-kiddo-day, so i'm not really here :-)
09:28 Oak          things must have piled up at work after you guys return from KohaCon
09:28 Oak          :)
09:28 Oak          cait: np. got it.
09:22 cait         ah sorry, running around lots today
09:22 cait         Oak:  you can check it in again i think
07:41 Oak          hello gaetan_B
07:41 Oak          cait: hmm. got it.
07:40 wahanui      hola, gaetan_B
07:40 gaetan_B     hello
07:40 Oak          you mean to check-in an already checked-in book....
07:40 Oak          oh i get it.
07:39 Oak          now, how will an email be generated to the next in queue patron that the book is waiting for pickup?
07:39 Oak          cait: what if I pressed ignore on that check-in screen?
07:37 cait         with the new patron and go back into waiting
07:37 cait         you can check in the book again and then it should print a slip again
07:37 cait         y
07:37 cait         Oak: not a bug that you can't set waiting manuall
07:36 Oak          np cait, later.
07:35 Oak          coool :)
07:35 cait         it was awesome in Argentina :)
07:35 cait         Oak: sorry, not at my desk much right now :)
07:28 Oak          guys, is this a bug? http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-October/041131.html
07:26 Oak          I saw the uploaded pictures and looked like you guy had a great time at KohaCon.
07:26 Oak          how are ya cait :)
07:14 cait         hi Oak
07:14 cait         ahoy magnuse :)
07:00 Oak          magnuse
07:00 Oak          Ahoy cait
07:00 * Oak        waves
06:57 wahanui      salut, alex_a
06:57 alex_a       bonjour
06:42 reiveune     hello
04:50 eythian      yeah, that's what I settled on, ils-di being more for opac operations
04:44 rangi        i think extending the svc/ bit is probably be the best
01:37 eythian      Hmm, I might use the /svc API as it already understand authentication.
01:35 eythian      I'm thinking of extending ILS-DI, unless there are better ideas.
01:35 eythian      So I need to design an API for Koha to allow borrower management.
00:35 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha.