Time Nick Message 23:59 wahanui kia ora, tcohen 23:59 tcohen hi 23:56 rangi hey tcohen 23:54 tcohen hi 22:14 cait hi eythian 22:14 eythian hi there cait 22:09 cait hola eythian 22:05 wizzyrea hello 22:03 eythian hi 21:04 pianohacker night ashimema 21:04 ashimema night peeps 21:04 ashimema right.. I must go to bed.. got a long drive too early tommorrow morning.. 21:02 pianohacker yeah 21:02 ashimema only angular dependency injection.. but that works very differently really.. still loads all at once. 21:01 ashimema just not tried yet.. not really played with require at all.. 21:01 pianohacker yeah, I whine about that a lot 21:01 ashimema so i've heard.. 21:01 pianohacker ^ would also be easier with angular 21:01 ashimema using require.js with angular 21:01 pianohacker the UI is still one huge chunk though, as separating anything with translatable strings out is a pain with our current setup 21:01 ashimema that's the last piece of the puzzle I need to get my had around.. 21:00 ashimema cool, cool.. 21:00 pianohacker ashimema: Definitely require.js, I've separated out as much as I can into modules 21:00 pianohacker *that plus school/teaching/research/club 21:00 pianohacker wait, is bag around? 21:00 ashimema you using require.js or anything.. or just loaidng the entire stack in one iht? 20:59 pianohacker god yes 20:59 pianohacker that plus school/teaching/research/club/reddit 20:59 ashimema angular is lovely to work with.. has it's oddities.. but the ease with which it allows you to separate concerns is uber awesome. 20:59 pianohacker yeah... 20:59 ashimema lol.. I can see why it's taking it's time then mate ;) 20:58 pianohacker ashimema: no, it's jQuery and lots of manual monkeying around. Really wish I had angular 20:58 ashimema never would have guessed they were that large 20:58 ashimema damn.. 1MB for one framework.. that's huge! 20:58 ashimema what's driving rancor mate.. i don't remember seeing angular in there? 20:58 pianohacker ashimema: individual frameworks... it only supports the default framework atm, in fact 20:57 ashimema are you loading the whole set of frameworks in one hit.. or loading individual frameworks on the fly when needed? 20:57 ashimema mimify and gzip it.. thats certainly a start.. (and set a really long cache timeout) 20:56 ashimema but after that the aim is to refine the code with all these things in mind 20:56 pianohacker yeah, it's a very simple-minded array of hashes for every single tag/subfield, so it could be optimized. I'm going to try gzipping it and see if that helps first though 20:56 ashimema I have to have somthing to show to the boss by the end of the week.. prototyping still.. 20:55 ashimema :) 20:55 rangi ashimema: talk to bgkriegel he has been doing lots of improvements 20:55 ashimema dang! 20:55 ashimema an MB of JSON for the frameworks.. 20:55 ashimema and yeah.. sending thme to the browser is a really good reason to do it. 20:55 ashimema I've been wanting to hack the .po's into more managable chunks for a while.. 20:54 pianohacker but that sounds really cool 20:54 pianohacker the main reason I ask is because rancor is loading about a MB of JSON for the framework, and that's a major pain point 20:53 rangi click on the word that is wrong, and submit a better translation .. in the browser :) 20:53 wahanui i think next step is to send it to the patches mailing list 20:53 rangi next step 20:53 pianohacker ooh, yeah. 20:53 ashimema for other angular stuff I have no reason against using something at browser level 20:53 rangi that would also make for easier contextual translating too .. in theory 20:53 rangi in theory anyway, id have to test it to see if it was useful 20:53 ashimema but that mostly due to having such a config file.. 20:53 pianohacker okay, makes sense, thanks 20:53 ashimema I'm using similar for a yaml based config file for ILL ;) 20:53 rangi exactly 20:53 pianohacker okay, just curious. Would we be splitting up .po's so the browser doesn't have to load the entire .po for a given language to translate a single page? 20:52 rangi either way, they are static, and depend on you creating the templates 20:52 rangi hmm they might be actually 20:51 rangi but if we doing fancy stuff in angular, be kinda cool to just use the .po files and translate on the fly 20:51 pianohacker they're not still YAML? 20:51 rangi cos they are just .tt files 20:51 * pianohacker hasn't touched that code in a few years, so apologies if he's off base 20:51 rangi yep 20:51 pianohacker rangi: right, but then the usual process is applied to create translated .pref files as opposed to doing the translation at runtime, correct? 20:51 ashimema ngAria.. seems to be all about accessibility.. that's promising. 20:50 ashimema :) 20:50 rangi we use po stuff for the pref files too 20:49 cait make it happen! :) 20:49 * cait loves to see conversations like that on #koha 20:49 pianohacker rangi: out of curiosity, what are the major reasons to do that as opposed to something like what we did for the .pref files? 20:49 ashimema thanks for that heads up rangi :) 20:49 ashimema ooh.. cool. 20:48 rangi if we do something like this, then the translators dont have to learn a new way to translate 20:48 cait i have a library i can maybe ask to test something too - if it can run on a sandbox 20:48 ashimema it's the accessability i'm far less sure about.. I've not played enough into screen readers and the like yet. 20:48 rangi https://angular-gettext.rocketeer.be/ 20:48 ashimema well in the work i'm doing so far translation should be pretty trivial.. 20:48 rangi which can handle .po files 20:48 rangi there is angular-gettext 20:47 rangi on the fly translation, in the browser, is probably doable now with modern computers 20:47 ashimema might be asking for their help in testing when it comes to it ;) 20:47 ashimema ooh.. cool 20:47 ashimema I'm pretty confident there are ways to make it nice.. but I've not delved far enough into that area yet.. 20:46 rangi ashimema: we have a blind staff member who is our accessibility expert, helped write the nz govt guidelines, so we can get him to test stuff 20:46 ashimema yeah.. I'm still getting my head around accessability and translation with angular.. 20:46 pianohacker ashimema: that's understandable, especially at the moment. 20:45 pianohacker That's one reason I've been putting off submitting it 20:45 rangi but i think they are both solvable 20:45 rangi that too 20:45 pianohacker translation is another concern, no? 20:45 rangi (we have quite a few blind librarians around the world using Koha now) 20:45 rangi just make sure it passes the accessibility tests, and it'll go in fine ashimema 20:45 ashimema and I now hav a beautiful example of it :)_ 20:45 ashimema I want angular in koha ;) 20:44 ashimema pianohacker.. I'm probably gonna mostly run with that like I did with shib btw.. attributing to you.. but really pushing it through if you end up slacking ;) 20:44 rangi yup :) 20:44 ashimema leads to a prett nice abstraction exactly like that.. the svc/*.pl turn into tiny little 3 liners ;) 20:43 rangi yep, ive been keeping an eye on it 20:43 ashimema rangi.. you should play with pianohackers Service work.. that's really nice too.. 20:43 ashimema that's exactly where I'm aiming 20:43 gmcharlt wiki is happier now 20:42 rangi thats where im hoping we get to :) 20:42 rangi and the rest is in the templates, and the modules 20:42 rangi so we get to the point were we have a 3 line .pl 20:42 rangi yep 20:41 ashimema think we basically agree rangi :). not the best approach.. but at least it's moving forward 20:41 rangi yep 20:40 ashimema so in our work we have db, api and congif files.. all feeling 'nice' to access in a standardised way.. 20:40 rangi but in the interests of moving forward, i can live with Koha::Object 20:40 rangi personally my inclination would be just to have Koha::Borrowers etc .. which is a class accessor base and uses koha::database and koha::cache 20:40 ashimema we have a config object with the same general accessor pattern that utilises yaml as the storage medium.. and an api object that similarly has the same general accessor pattern that obviosly queries an api 20:39 rangi but they are an ok start and can be extended 20:39 ashimema my ill work does exactly that.. 20:39 rangi like i say, the objects have some major bugs 20:39 ashimema indeed.. 20:39 rangi yep 20:39 ashimema and some other nice accessors dbic provides 20:38 ashimema ->get_columns for example is list when you use koha::objects 20:38 rangi and stuff from external sources 20:38 ashimema agreed, i'm liking the consistency it would hopefully bring.. though of course the same consistency could be achieved with some rules.. 20:38 rangi and stuff in cache 20:38 rangi and conf 20:38 cait so we can mix in yaml and stuff like that? 20:38 ashimema indeed.. 20:37 cait :) 20:37 rangi compsci 101 20:37 rangi logical representation of objects should not be tied to their storage representation 20:37 rangi because not everything is in a db 20:37 rangi its just providing a consistent interface 20:37 ashimema but with our basic hatred of using dbic properly I'm clucking at having object to allow us at least some of the niceities 20:36 rangi not really, they are still dbic under the hood, its not removing anything 20:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13115 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Holidays.t will fail some unit tests on Sundays 20:36 cait bug 13115 btw 20:36 ashimema dbic still offers us a massive amout which koha::objects obliterate in their current standings 20:36 rangi the autoload for creating accessors is broken 20:36 pianohacker ashimema: my understanding from the docs was that convert_blessed only converted objects that had an explicit TO_JSON method, whereas allow_blessed would attempt to convert everything, using a TO_JSON if it existed 20:36 talljoy 3) say, "whatever" and pass it anyways 20:36 rangi joubu and I did some work with the objects, they have some bugs, and i dont like them, but i dont hate them enough to block it 20:35 ashimema think I have the same love/hate relationship with them that khall has now.. 20:35 talljoy is step 2) Drink copious amounts of Beer. 20:35 ashimema haha.. nice test plan 20:35 talljoy HA 20:35 cait Test Plan: 1) Wait until Sunday 20:35 ashimema I have a love hate relationship with the Objects cait.. 20:35 cait some RM wanted this patch asap... but the test plan reads: 20:35 cait hmpf 20:34 ashimema hense my confusion to start with.. but I do understand your reasoning.. 20:34 ashimema I think I foud that convert_blessed didn't do anything unless you allowed blessed first ? 20:34 cait :) 20:34 cait probably omre then me 20:34 ashimema I'de held off untll i'de really got my head around the objects.. but I think i'm there now ;) 20:33 ashimema yeah.. I should probably get on and qa it 20:33 pianohacker ashimema: That seems reasonable enough. I think my only reason for not having allow_blessed enabled was to make sure that one didn't accidentally send something sensitive or gigantic back to the user, but if that causes more problems than it solves in practice go for it 20:33 cait so we should just go with it 20:33 ashimema oh.. that one.. ;) 20:33 cait but it seems like many people like it 20:33 ashimema bug number ciat ;) 20:32 * cait tries that delegating thing heh 20:32 cait ashimema: what about you qa the wiating holds queue patch? :P 20:32 ashimema just need to add those TO_JSON methods to the 'clever' object when we need them ;) 20:32 ashimema but yeah.. I found that allowing blessed and conveting them seemed to do the trick pretty 'magically' in most cases.. 20:31 talljoy gmcharlt dooeet. 20:30 ashimema but I may well have been using it wrong.. wasn't exactly sure how you intended to use it. 20:30 gmcharlt I'm now threatening to toss it into the kibble dish 20:30 ashimema JSON->new->allow_blessed(1)->convert_blessed(1)->encode 20:30 gmcharlt xcache is not playing nice 20:30 talljoy gmcharlt i'm guessing your cats are playing with computer cables and taking out the wiki? :-) 20:30 ashimema I found it'd only work with 20:30 ashimema You had JSON->new->convert_blessed->encode 20:29 pianohacker ashimema: what change did you make? 20:29 pianohacker JSONification of anything but base types is a bit of a hack atm 20:29 ashimema I have doctored the output routine in Koha::Service a tiny bit.. 20:29 pianohacker ooh! That'd quite nice 20:29 ashimema not really.. seems to work nice (though I am hoping to get TO_JSON methods added tot he Koha::Object base classes as then it'll work muhc mroe nicely with them ;) ) 20:27 pianohacker any major quibbles with the API? 20:27 pianohacker glad to hear. 20:27 talljoy or down again? 20:27 ashimema tis nice 20:27 talljoy wiki still down? 20:27 ashimema been playing with your Services stuff ;) 20:26 talljoy lol 20:26 pianohacker anyway, hi ashimema 20:26 ashimema :P 20:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description 20:26 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language 20:26 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). 20:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #122: FIXED in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/122/ 20:26 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 20:26 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 20:25 pianohacker *BZRRT* This has been an automated message from pianobot. If this were a real message from pianohacker, you would now be receiving sarcasm. *BEEEEEEEP* 20:25 talljoy duck and run pianohacker 20:24 ashimema ooh.. pianohacker is around 20:24 talljoy pianohacker: it was the flights there and back that need recovering from. 20:24 cait talljoy: yp found it ;) 20:24 talljoy bah. nonstop work. 20:23 pianohacker *working vacation ;) 20:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10960 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Holds Queue Report display loc code not description 20:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12068 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL languages 20:23 pianohacker how are you, talljoy? recovered from vacation? 20:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12914 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). 20:23 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description 20:23 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language 20:23 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). 20:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #194: FIXED in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/194/ 20:23 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 20:23 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 20:22 talljoy did that dislodge it? 20:22 * talljoy whacks cait on the back 20:22 pianohacker talljoy: I return from the abyss! 20:22 cait i think something got stuck in my spam filter again 20:22 talljoy omg pianohacker is that really you? 20:22 rangi :) 20:21 mtj thats some classic cormack 20:21 wahanui pianohacker is a Dune fan, it seems. 20:21 rangi heya pianohacker 20:21 pianohacker hello 20:21 wahanui mailing list is, like, at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 20:21 rangi mailing list 20:20 cait rangi: hm? 20:17 rangi oh yes i did 20:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #191: NOW UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/191/ 19:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01c509f37d06a25aa4409ad2cd05cb67eee73f77> / Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ac72275aac8a2d0511b021cee0643aa38a7ba09> / Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). <http://git. 19:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10960 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Holds Queue Report display loc code not description 19:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12068 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL languages 19:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12914 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). 19:19 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description 19:19 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language 19:19 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). 19:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #190: STILL FAILING in 2 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/190/ 19:14 wahanui well, confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 19:14 magnuse confetti! 19:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #176: FIXED in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/176/ 19:12 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 19:12 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 19:11 cait :) 19:10 talljoy hahaha cait. love it. 19:07 cait [off] we need another timmy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM1S27fPUQY 19:06 tcohen maybe a dark Nick Cave background song too 19:05 magnuse from whence spirits can be summoned with candles and goats... 19:04 cait :) 19:04 cait probably 19:03 cait heh 19:03 magnuse a conf call - is that like purgatory? 19:03 * gmcharlt is tied up in conf call, will check in a bit 19:02 chris_n heya cait 19:02 cait hola chris_n 19:00 * chris_n steps out of the woodwork 19:00 oleonard Good luck #koha. I'm leaving before it gets messy! 18:59 cait um .. goat 18:59 * cait yells - we need another timmy 18:59 * cait goes to stand in the corner 18:59 jcamins cait: now look what you did. You summoned chris_n instead of gmcharlt, and chris_n doesn't have shell access to the wiki. 18:58 * cait shuts up 18:57 tcohen sshhh, we are in the middle of a summoning 18:57 cait oleonard: lol 18:57 cait tcohen: maybe i prefer the thunder storms here to 35 degrees... 18:56 tcohen bring the knife 18:56 tcohen oleonard: i already got a goat 18:55 oleonard But we just cleaned up after the last time! Fine, I'll get the candles and the goat. 18:51 magnuse methinks we might have to summon forth gmcharlt again 18:50 magnuse tcohen: my spanish is not quite up to that level, but yeah, i can't get to edit it either 18:44 tcohen magnuse: http://snag.gy/hgA6Q.jpg 18:44 * oleonard has another patch to submit but is tired of writing test plans 18:38 magnuse hm, same for me akshuly. when i click on "edit" nothing happens 18:36 tcohen i mean, edit 18:36 tcohen it works, but i cannot login 18:36 magnuse hah! lonely planet says northern norway is the 5th best region in the world to visit :-) 18:34 oleonard And me 18:34 magnuse tcohen: works for me 18:32 tcohen #koha: is the wiki still in trouble? would like to add our KohaCon14 photos 18:27 talljoy it was very good. just like in Cordoba 18:27 tcohen was it good? 18:27 tcohen talljoy: saw you had a fernet night 18:25 talljoy :-( 18:25 talljoy we're going down because of fall. sigh. 18:25 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Tanglewood, Fort Worth, Texas is 25.2°C (1:21 PM CDT on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 18:25 talljoy @wunder 76109 18:24 talljoy tcohen that sounds like a good temp to me! like Texas weather 18:24 * tcohen hopes that air conditioner gets installed at home soon 18:24 tcohen oleonard: they say it will be worse tomorrow 18:21 druthb brr 18:19 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 4.0°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 18:19 magnuse @wunder boo 18:19 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 11.2°C (2:18 PM EDT on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 18:19 oleonard @wunder 45701 18:19 oleonard Wow tcohen, hot! 18:18 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 35.6°C (3:05 PM ART on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 18:18 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 18:17 huginn druthb: The current temperature in WEST UNIVERSITY, HOUSTON, Texas is 26.2°C (1:16 PM CDT on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 18:17 druthb @wunder 77098 18:15 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 18:15 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:15 cait super stormy outside 18:15 cait wow 18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13083 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Hard-coded " by " in opac-tags.pl 18:11 oleonard It started with Bug 13083 and I just kept seeing more things to fix 17:29 cait lots of new patches? :) 17:29 cait oleonard++ :) 17:20 tcohen again 17:20 tcohen oleonard: i'll try to reproduce 17:16 tcohen what bothers me, is that if QueryParser has problems loading the file, it silently falls back to no-QueryParser 17:08 oleonard Well, I get the error if QueryParser is on. I don't get the error if QueryParser is off. But I suppose it could be a combination of QueryParser and other preferences as well. 17:07 tcohen oleonard: but the steps to reproduce are just enabling queryparser? 17:03 oleonard tcohen: I don't really know how to go about finding out why it happens for me but not for you 17:02 tcohen oleonard: did u find a way to reproduce it? 16:46 oleonard Figured it out. Full system path, not relative to the site root or something like that. 16:37 reiveune bye 16:33 oleonard If you want to set OPACXSLTResultsDisplay to a path (not a full URL) what is it relative to? For instance, what would the correct path be for the default MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl? 16:14 gaetan_B bye 16:03 cait ok, leaving for today - cya later all :) 16:03 cait sounds painful 16:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12585 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Tag searching broken if QueryParser is turned on 16:03 * oleonard runs into Bug 12585 again 15:58 oleonard Feature-crept? 15:58 oleonard My bug fix has feature-creeped. 15:40 magnuse gmcharlt++ 15:28 oleonard ...as opposed to setting a variable in the script and checking that, like we do with the OPAC's usermenu.inc 15:27 oleonard (that is, what page the include file is being included by) 15:27 oleonard I wonder if there is any reason not to check template name in an include to determine what page one is on 15:26 ashimema we've been having a mare with crawlers today. 15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add name of template file in html comment for each '.tt' file. 15:26 oleonard I did not know you could use the template name in the way the patch for Bug 13112 does 15:18 druthb gmcharlt++ 15:10 cait gmcharlt++ 15:09 talljoyphone thanks gmcharlt 15:08 cait tcohen: not so surprised... 15:08 gmcharlt looks like crawler at first glance 15:08 gmcharlt wiki rebooted, sorry for the downtime 15:01 tcohen and it seems that on GRS-1, some stuff depends on side-effects to work 15:01 tcohen i'm trying to write tests for the facets retrieval code 15:00 cait tcohen: what's the side effect? 14:59 * tcohen hates side-effects 14:40 cait glad it's working now sql++ 14:39 talljoy gotcha! 14:39 cait a complete list of the class and a column where they can see if they have checked out the specific book they are supposed to read yet 14:39 talljoy yes sounds about right 14:39 cait it's for a school 14:39 cait using a left join (select ....) 14:39 talljoy good! 14:39 cait talljoy: i got it now :) 14:38 cait lol 14:37 talljoy are you looking for one specific book that is checked out? or checked out in the past? 14:36 talljoy poor sql. 14:35 talljoy is it a darmduscher today cait? 14:21 cait i need to see all borrowers of type x and see if they have a book x (full list of borrowers, null or barcode for those which have it checked out) and i fail 14:21 cait sql-- today 14:03 talljoy you would think so! 14:03 talljoy lol 14:00 oleonard Surely one of those cats would have woken him up by now! 13:57 tcohen still 6:57 in seattle 13:39 wahanui gmcharlt is probably an expert in all things library technology. 13:39 oleonard gmcharlt? 13:35 talljoy needs kicking. not coming up for me. 13:35 talljoy who hosts wiki.koha-community.org? 13:22 talljoy good day #koha 13:15 ashimema it's gmcharlts area I beleive 13:15 ashimema equinox I tihnk. 13:12 * magnuse gotta run 13:12 magnuse is it bywater? 13:11 magnuse and we can't check the wiki to see who is responsible... 13:11 oleonard wiki down. 13:05 khall np! 13:05 edveal Ah great. Thanks khall. 13:05 khall The next Koha General IRC meeting is 22 October, 13:00 UTC 13:05 khall I thought that was tomorrow? 13:05 edveal Is the Koha meeting starting? 12:51 edveal Hello olenard and wahanui 12:50 wahanui hola, oleonard 12:50 oleonard Hi 12:50 barton morning oleonard! 12:49 barton yeah. downforeveryoneojustme.com couldn't see it either. 12:47 edveal Yes. I can’t get there either. 12:46 barton anyone else having trouble getting to http://wiki.koha-community.org/ ? 12:40 edveal Is there a Koha meeting soon? 12:35 tcohen but i've already packaged several functions into a bashlib 12:35 tcohen i'll think of it 12:35 tcohen adding switches cannot be avoided I think 12:29 magnuse also, i think koha-create is quite big already - the less we add to it the better (as long as it fits into a separate script, of course) 12:28 magnuse tcohen: dunno. my thought was that a separate script would be more flexible - make it possible to turn the public server off and on after the instance has been created 12:25 tcohen do u think koha-sru --enable|--disable is needed? 12:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should be able to configure SRU server for the created instance 12:24 tcohen magnuse: about bug 12750 12:24 tcohen maybe biblibre? i'm not sure who hosts it 12:24 tcohen i wanted to post my photos and cannot login 12:23 magnuse we need to gang up on the first bywaterian to wake up, then, i think? ;-) 12:22 tcohen nope 12:22 magnuse tcohen: can yo uget to the wiki? 12:22 tcohen hola magnuse 12:22 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:10 tcohen morning! 11:43 Oak there you go. bit of noice. 11:43 Oak la la lala 11:28 paxed weird. 11:21 ashimema quiet in here today.. 10:53 magnuse paxed: i get a nice help page when i do "perl translate help" 10:52 magnuse yup 10:51 paxed ...and the wiki is down? 10:46 dexap huh. "perl translate help" dumps the whole translate file contents on the screen 10:36 cait gmcharlt: ping 09:38 magnuse guess it's getting too late to catch rangi too... 09:32 papa sure, have a great day :) 09:32 magnuse excellent! now be on your way ;-) 09:31 papa ashamed to admit, but don't know. it is possible though. I'll ask him and Chris tomorrow 09:30 magnuse ah, no worries! eythian is the one we need, probably? 09:30 papa umm, no I'm afraid, that's way out of my jurisdiction 09:24 magnuse or unavailable, at least 09:24 magnuse papa: yay! you don't happen to be able to kick http://debian.koha-community.org/ ? it's been down for a while 09:22 papa magnuse: you have 5 mins left, I was on my way out... :) 09:21 papa pong 09:20 magnuse ping papa? 09:19 * magnuse waves back 09:07 * cait waves 09:00 petter magnuse: ok, thanks! 08:59 magnuse petter: i don't think there are any, alas 08:49 petter Are there any mirrors of debian.koha-community.org? Has been down for a while 08:48 paul_p hi magnuse (& others) 08:48 magnuse kia ora paul_p 08:26 Oak [off] http://pando.com/2014/10/18/gms-hit-and-run-how-a-lawyer-mechanic-and-engineer-blew-the-lid-off-the-worst-auto-scandal-in-history/ stay safe on roads guys. 07:53 ashimema But then.. BL's process is pretty all encompassing.. so hopefully pretty much all others would fit within it somewhere ;) 07:52 ashimema it's the process that may need some tinkering with.. if the process is entirely different that could lead to some interesting challenges ;) 07:52 ashimema but yeah.. the idea would be that using this config file.. you can effectively map in one place and then have all the data dynamically added to display using said mapping. 07:51 magnuse yay. i have no time for it now, but ill will be one of my main concerns in 2015 07:51 ashimema code wise. 07:51 ashimema but it's all rather BL api specific at the moment in terms of whats actually visible.. 07:51 ashimema a server side user configuration to map api calls to koha classes and results. 07:50 magnuse very cool 07:50 ashimema that's the bit alex has been working on.. 07:50 ashimema Well.. the way we've implimented it.. it should be trivial to write an api specific driver to plugin to it I think.. 07:49 wahanui i heard the server was behind a Firewall and Reverse Proxy 07:49 ashimema the server. 07:49 ashimema random interface question.. with Angular you can obviously affect dom with immediate effect without requiring a page reload.. so I have an option when adding a request.. to immediately add said request to the visible requests table, then highlight it and remove it if there's a failure between the client and the server.. or the other way around.. only adding to the user interface once the 'ok' signal has made it's way back from 07:49 magnuse are you thinking about facilitating other protocols/apis? in norway we will be basing ill on ncip 07:49 magnuse cool 07:47 ashimema but for this sprint we're just aiming for making requests to BL.. not supplying ;) 07:47 ashimema The real far future aim I'd like to see.. is for our dev to go a bit further and allow Koha to do both sides and act as a service provider implimenting most fo the BL api the other way around.. 07:46 ashimema We also did allot of work first time around using ARTemail as the interface.. but we've basically ditched that with the British Libraries move to a reasonable decent API instead 07:45 ashimema so with the three of us hacking at it.. it's going reasonably well ;) 07:45 ashimema put it this way magnuse.. I need somthing to show the boss by the end of the week.. we're on a sprint here with Colin working on British Library API integration and Alex working on the data storage and configuration side.. 07:44 ashimema I've learnt allot lately working on another project (Mojo, AngularJS and Bootstrap based).. i've brought a few of them to the table with this piece. 07:44 magnuse how far along are you? i'll be working on ill in 2015 :-) 07:43 magnuse sounds cool! 07:43 ashimema ILL (Inter Library Loans).. with a fairly chunky amount of the code based on khalls Koha::Object classes, pianohackers Koha::Service object (which no-one out there has really seen yet) and the addition of AngularJS for the client side interface. Might get some people thinking though :) 07:41 ashimema I have a feeling my current dev is going to be a bit bold for Koha ;) 07:29 gaetan_B hello 07:26 magnuse :-) 07:26 Oak :) 07:25 magnuse Oak 07:24 Oak magnuse 07:23 * Oak waves 07:19 magnuse just need a volunteer to set it up and host it, then 07:10 ashimema I'd be game for a discourse play ;) 07:00 alex_a hello magnuse 07:00 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:57 alex_a bonjour 06:46 magnuse mtj: could you get on your bike and find eythian and give him a kick? ;-) 06:45 magnuse i would guess eythian is involved with that 06:45 magnuse hei petter 06:44 petter Hi koha folks! 06:44 magnuse looks like there is a problem with debian.koha-community.org too 06:40 wahanui que tal, reiveune 06:40 reiveune hello 06:19 mtj anyhoo, something to ponder 06:17 mtj ... but it only recently had a 1.x release 06:17 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2013-September/037409.html 06:17 mtj fyi: discourse was mentioned during those inital discussions 06:12 mtj -> https://meta.discourse.org/t/beginners-guide-to-deploy-discourse-on-digital-ocean-using-docker/12156 06:12 mtj discourse with docker, on a digitalocean VM 06:08 * mtj just throwing the idea out there, for the logs... 06:07 magnuse nice 06:07 mtj discourse is made by one of the orig. SE devs, Jeff Atwood 06:06 magnuse if someone sets it up i'll be glad to try it 06:06 magnuse wow, that was 2 years ago? :-) 06:04 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2013-September/037402.html 06:04 mtj magnuse: discourse could be an option for our failed SE attempt... 06:02 mtj looks down 06:02 mtj http://isup.me/wiki.koha-community.org 06:01 magnuse could be :-) 06:00 cait maybe someone locked us out? :) 06:00 cait i could still reach it then too 05:59 magnuse or maybe it doesn't need actual kicking, someone in the us was able to get in yesterday when i couldn't 05:58 mtj its an ESI box (i think) 05:58 mtj gmcharlt, rangi have logins ^ 05:57 mtj heh, yeah, it is 05:56 magnuse who can give it a kick? i guess that info is... on the wiki 05:56 magnuse :-( 05:53 mtj nor me 05:53 cait not this morning 05:53 magnuse hm, i still can't get to the wiki. cait and mtj, can you? 05:52 magnuse i thought it was comments on individual catalogues... 05:52 magnuse so it would be for koha-related discussions? 05:52 magnuse oh 05:51 mtj its more like a free version of stack-exchange 05:51 wahanui somebody said ruby was easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine 05:51 magnuse oh, ruby? 05:51 magnuse what's not to like? ;-) 05:51 mtj its free, we can run it on our own server, etc.. 05:51 magnuse is that like a free software version of disqus? 05:50 mtj i was wondering if it might be a good fit for Koha project... 05:49 mtj http://www.discourse.org/ 05:48 mtj peeps, i was looking at this again, last nite... -> http://try.discourse.org 05:48 * magnuse too 05:48 mtj very very jealous 05:47 cait :) 05:47 magnuse hiya mtj 05:47 mtj hey cait, i loved those kohacon fotos of you all 05:46 cait hi mtj :) 05:46 * mtj waves to bag, magnuse cait 05:32 cait morning magnuse :) 05:32 magnuse kia ora cait! 05:31 * magnuse waves 03:51 bag hola