Time Nick Message 00:00 cait tcohen: how are you? got some rest 00:00 cait ? 00:00 tcohen cait: not yet, actually 00:01 cait oh? 00:01 tcohen tomorrow will be my first full day at work 00:01 tcohen i've been with my wife at several social events 00:02 cait hope it was fun too? 00:02 tcohen it was :-D 00:03 tcohen i'm waiting for my turn at the shower, reading this http://qt-project.org/wiki/The_Qt_Governance_Model 00:03 eythian I managed to get a package (MARC::Transform) into debian without having to go back and make changes to it, for the first time ever I think. 00:03 cait congrats :) 00:03 tcohen eythian++ 00:04 eythian (trying to get things in before jessie freezes) 00:04 cait eythian++ 00:04 cait tcohen: do we still need the test::dbix::class or are we working around it now 00:04 cait ? 00:04 tcohen we did and if ! available then skip thing 00:04 cait so i can forget about it? :) 00:05 tcohen i tried to compile it for squeeze 00:05 tcohen too many dependencies missing 00:05 eythian erk, jessie freezes on the 5th, and things have to be in testing by then. It takes 10 days to go from unstable to testing. 00:05 tcohen is jessie an LTS release? 00:05 eythian That is not much time. 00:05 eythian tcohen: Debian doesn't really do LTS releases like that. 00:05 tcohen i thought squeeze was, sort of 00:06 eythian it was, but that wasn't decided beforehand. 00:06 tcohen ah 00:06 tcohen do we still have missing dependencies? 00:07 tcohen i don't have my stuff to check right now, I think we are only missing a modern DBIx::Class in Squeeze 00:07 eythian in jessie? I think so, but I'm not sure. 00:07 eythian well, everything necessary should be getting covered by the koha repo 00:07 wizzyrea did ian get a new girl/boy friend? 00:07 * wizzyrea wonders about the name "jessie" 00:08 eythian ibeardslee: well, did you? 00:08 wizzyrea kek 00:08 wizzyrea not that ian. 00:08 tcohen will check tomorrow eythian 00:08 ibeardslee wha? 00:08 tcohen ian murdock 00:08 wizzyrea ^ 00:08 ibeardslee wizzyrea: isn't jessie the cowgirl? 00:09 eythian I think jessie is. 00:09 wizzyrea <something terribly naughty> 00:09 eythian tcohen: k. Ideally I'd like to have all required dependencies in jessie, so I might put a bit of time into it and try to get them in before freeze. 00:09 eythian this also means that I can start just backporting them into older distros, and in turn _that_ means that I can script it. 00:10 wizzyrea "The word "Debian" was formed as a combination of the first name of his then-girlfriend Debra Lynn and his own first name." 00:11 eythian http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131106225109/disney/images/7/7a/Jessie.png <-- that's where the name comes from 00:11 * wizzyrea just got to that bit of the wiki page 00:12 eythian https://soundcloud.com/mrblueberry-1/sjutonus-boom-boom-boom-boom <-- rangi 00:14 cait btw someone should tell me to sleep :P 00:14 rangi heh 00:14 wizzyrea go to sleep cait. 00:14 eythian cait: that's lullaby music for you 00:14 cait eythian: i have my doubts 00:20 eythian cait: I'm just assuming that you're still running in jetlag mode, and don't have an early start :) 00:20 cait jet lag yes... early start... yes? 00:39 rangi do we have a routine in koha, to give us a biblionumber from an isbn? 00:39 rangi tcohen: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2014/10/19/cordoba-the-food-edition/ 00:40 cait hm i think ony the other way around 00:41 rangi yeah 01:09 bag hola 01:10 rangi hi bag 01:11 bag heya rangi 01:11 bag dood lots of fun this weekend - Ginny actually swam by herself :) well she floated :) 01:11 rangi :) 01:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:15 mtompset What's going on with the dashboard? 01:16 wizzyrea looks like it can't talk to bugzilla. 01:17 eythian wahanui: excuse 01:17 wahanui eythian: hardware stress fractures 01:17 eythian mtompset: ^ 01:18 mtompset I wonder if someone changed a password. :) I did that recently. Busted my git bz for a bit. :) 01:26 wizzyrea bug 8753 - gah what needs doing here 01:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, ASSIGNED , Add forgot password link to OPAC 01:27 wizzyrea I mean, I see what needs doing but don't know what it involves. 01:55 mtompset Oh... let me see... 01:56 mtompset I would try a variation on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7567#c61 01:56 huginn 04Bug 7567: enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix 02:24 wizzyrea ah thanks 02:24 wizzyrea bless marcxml for being human readable. 03:02 mtj hey #koha, is there a script to connect to a koha sip server, via RAW sockets 03:02 mtj ...for debuggging/config stuff 03:04 mtj hmm, perhaps ./C4/SIP/acstest.py 03:07 eythian there's a bug around for a sip tester I thought, but using raw sockets seems like a very strange thing to do. 03:08 mtj eythian: are raw sockets are a bad choice for sip? 03:09 mtj ...is telnet prefered/better? 03:09 eythian yes 03:09 eythian it seems like a terrible idea 03:09 eythian you've got very little checksumming, no flow control, no loss or ordering detection 03:09 eythian TCP is there for a reason 03:11 mtj ah ok, i didnt know which was better, to be honest... 03:12 eythian it could be that whatever SIP calls raw sockets aren't actually raw sockets 03:12 eythian but it'd be bad naming, were that the case. 03:13 mtj yeah, i think that might be the case ^ 03:13 rangi which is highly likely 03:13 mtj port="x.x.x.x:6001/tcp" transport="RAW" 03:13 eythian yeah, looking through the code, I think it's bad naming 03:13 mtj raw sockets... over tcp ? 03:14 eythian that's not a thing 03:14 eythian in network terms, anyway 03:14 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_socket 03:14 eythian it looks like the telnet stuff just has a telnet-like login/password prompt and maybe some other things. 03:16 mtj yep 03:18 mtj i vaguely recall having some problems with the 'telnet' option, and having to use the 'raw' option - for a 3M self-check... 03:18 mtj ..but that was a few years ago now 03:19 mtj ..and was a problem that might have been specific to a 3M selfcheck setup 03:19 rangi they all are 03:19 rangi some work only with telnet 03:20 rangi some with 'raw' some with CR some with LF some with only CRLF 03:20 rangi even different 3M machines behave differently 03:21 mtj please stop! 03:21 mtj :) 03:22 mtj for a koha SIP config talking to overdrive - telnet or raw? 03:23 mtj any suggestions? 03:23 wahanui any suggestions are welcome. 03:23 rangi i think raw 03:23 rangi with CR 03:23 wizzyrea ^ 03:23 rangi but you'll soon find out 03:23 wizzyrea def with CR 03:24 mtj ok ta! i selected RAW too... without really knowing any better 03:24 mtj welcome home too rangi :0) 03:25 rangi thanks 03:25 mtj thanx for the food pics :) 03:25 rangi heh 03:26 mtj ok, i might keep poking at this SIP thing... 03:27 mtj thanks for the advice everyone 03:33 wizzyrea good luck. 03:43 mtj heh, i will def. need it wiz 03:43 wizzyrea naw 03:43 wizzyrea you'll be fine :) 03:45 mtj i did pfaff about with the 3M SIP tools, on a windows vm... back in the day 03:46 mtj Dobrica has some info about running them with wine here -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_SIP2_server_setup 03:47 mtj ...its something i might have a look at 03:50 mtj i guess thats probably the gold-standard for SIP testing/debugging 03:51 wizzyrea for 3M anyway 04:09 mtj true, its a bit goofy that 3M wrote the SIP spec... but their devices seem to implement the spec somewhat inconsistently :/ 04:11 mtj i think i have some success with my RAWW sockets 04:13 mtj the setup was not so bad, after all 04:15 mtompset @quote add jcamins: My dinner just exploded... No, it was an eggplant. 04:15 huginn mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 04:16 mtompset @getquote 311 04:16 huginn mtompset: I've exhausted my database of quotes 04:16 mtompset @get quote 311 04:16 huginn mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". 04:16 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 04:16 mtompset @quote 311 04:16 huginn mtompset: downloading the Perl source 04:17 mtompset Bah! It's in there now. :) 04:17 eythian @dunno 04:17 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 04:17 eythian @dunno get 04:17 huginn eythian: (dunno get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the dunno with id <id> from the dunno database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 04:17 eythian @dunno get 1 04:17 huginn eythian: Error: There is no Dunno with id #1 in my database for #koha. 04:17 eythian @dunno help 04:17 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 04:17 mtompset @quote help 04:17 eythian @dunno put 04:17 huginn mtompset: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 04:17 huginn eythian: I suck 04:18 mtompset @quote get 311 04:18 huginn mtompset: Quote #311: "jcamins: My dinner just exploded... No, it was an eggplant." (added by mtompset at 04:16 AM, October 20, 2014) 04:18 mtompset Thanks for the help, eythian. :) 04:19 eythian I'm just trying to figure out what the dunno plugin is 04:19 eythian @dunno list 04:19 huginn eythian: I've exhausted my database of quotes 04:20 mtompset https://gitorious.org/supybot/supybot/source/f3a1e36727c8e3bec958e5b38bda9c6117c2362a:plugins/Dunno/plugin.py 04:20 mtompset Maybe? 04:20 wahanui Maybe is, like, a momentaneous error 04:21 mtompset Call me maybe? 05:02 mtompset Have a great day, #koha indradg eythian. 05:41 * magnuse waves 06:00 * cait waves back 06:06 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on October 20, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 06:36 reiveune hello 06:58 alex_a bonjour 07:06 magnuse bonjour france 07:06 magnuse @wunder boo 07:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Rising). 07:06 sophie_m hello magnuse and #koha 07:06 fridolin hie community 07:15 marcelr hi #koha 07:22 paul_p good morning #koha 07:23 gaetan_B hello 07:26 lds salut gaetan_B 07:40 cait hola #koha 07:44 marcelr hi paul_p gaetan_B lds and cait 07:45 marcelr paul_p: i just trivially rebased bug 13068 07:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , New feature for DB update and sandbox 07:45 marcelr hope you still have some time soon for it 08:01 paul_p marcelr = I WANT to take time for ,it, because it will be a great addition for sandboxes. But mailbox still not recovered from KohaCon, so it will wait a little bit 08:02 marcelr ok 08:39 ashimema I'm interested in that one too marcelr.. 08:39 ashimema but simililarly don't have time to get to it at the minute :( 08:39 marcelr good to hear, ashimema 08:39 marcelr the first one 08:39 wahanui somebody said the first one was the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it 08:40 marcelr :) 08:42 ashimema currently i'm battling with getting my head around services in koha 08:43 ashimema There are too many approaches and I'm not sure which to adopt for my current work ;) 08:46 magnuse there is more than one way to do it... 08:46 ashimema indeed there are.. 08:46 ashimema but I'd kinda like us to standardise on one method.. making it easier for QA'ers and easier for new coders to get up to speed fast ;) 08:47 ashimema currently I 'think' I'm tending toward biblibres api patch way of doing stuff.. 08:47 ashimema using CGI::Application::Dispatch 08:57 * magnuse wonders if it would be hard to integrate koha-restful into koha 09:16 ashimema there is indeed some wonderings along that path. 09:16 ashimema i'm not sure how CGI::Application fits into our model. 09:16 ashimema and I also know pianohacker has some bugs open about adding a Koha::Services module 09:16 ashimema which does pretty much the same stuff aswell. 09:17 ashimema the main peice missing from koha-resful is any meaningful authentication.. 09:17 ashimema at the moment.. yu can only IP lock it. 09:21 magnuse ah 09:24 ashimema It is built as a completely seperate app.. though fits nicely into Koha's namespaces.. 09:25 ashimema I'm just not sure yet how easy it'll be to tie in with existing authentication code (or whether it needs to be).. 09:25 ashimema I personally like api's that authenticate as 'normal users' rather than api keys.. 09:25 ashimema that way, you can use the same permissions system for both api and full fat app 09:26 ashimema so.. the transfer of login credentials obviously needs though.. but once a session has been created (if you use sessions in the api that is) you get the same permissions as you would for the logged in user in the staff client ;) 09:42 magnuse yeah, that does sound convenient 09:43 magnuse but are RESTful APIs not meant to be stateless? meaning no place for sessions? i might have got that wrong, though 10:11 ashimema haha.. indeed I'm just debating that with someone else now.. 10:11 ashimema yes.. they 'should' be stateless.. 10:12 ashimema so yes.. sessionless too 10:13 ashimema which just means sending the auth creds with every request.. 10:13 ashimema if we could garauntee https.. we could stick to super simple http basic auth.. 10:15 ashimema so.. for instance a 'curl -u login:password https://koha.example.com/api/borrowers/id' 10:16 ashimema should work as expected.. return the borrower json for borrower with borrowernumber matching 'id'.. but only do so if login:password user is allowed to do such an action 10:18 ashimema you do have to design your api to not rely on some of the other nicities of a session of course.. 10:32 khall mornin #koha! 10:34 indradg morning khall 10:40 ashimema morning khall 11:06 magnuse hiya khall 11:09 cait morning khall :) 11:30 khall mornin all! 11:31 khall has jenkins been failing on Holidays.t? 11:41 ashimema anyone know if it's likely pianohacker will be about today? 11:42 magnuse @seen pianohacker 11:42 huginn magnuse: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 6 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <pianohacker> let me know what you think 11:42 magnuse hard to tell, i suspect 11:43 ashimema indeed.... 11:48 magnuse who can update https://github.com/Koha-Community/qa-test-tools? Joubu? mtj? 11:49 mtj hey magnuse 11:49 mtj i'm just about to hit the hay - but can do tomorrow 11:50 mtj i dont think that repo is syncing daily, atm (my bad) 11:50 mtj hum, i'll sort the KohaDocs repo too, while i'm at it 11:59 mtj magnuse: updated :) 11:59 mtj ...was a quickie 12:07 magnuse mtj++ 12:07 magnuse sleep well! :-) 12:09 magnuse hola tcohen 12:10 cait hola tcohen :) 12:10 magnuse i'm adding the qa-test-tools to kohadevbox, but currently they have to be invoked like so: sudo koha-shell -c "perl -I/home/vagrant/qa-test-tools/ /home/vagrant/qa-test-tools/koha-qa.pl -c 7 -v 2" kohadev 12:10 magnuse anyone got a clue how to turn that into a shell function? 12:12 magnuse i tried this: 12:12 magnuse $ function kqa () { sudo koha-shell -c "perl -I/home/vagrant/qa-test-tools/ /home/vagrant/qa-test-tools/koha-qa.pl $@" kohadev; } 12:12 magnuse but calling "kqa -c 1 -v 2" gives "Error: The instance doesn't exist: 9" 12:13 magnuse i suspect there is a problem with the double quotes, but unescaping them with \" does not help 12:14 magnuse oops, got the error wrong: calling "kqa -c 1 -v 2" gives "Error: The instance doesn't exist: 1" 12:14 ashimema really.. 12:16 ashimema I just stuck PERL5LIB as an export in bashrc, along with aliasing qa to the qa script and it works nicely in my dev env (also gitified) 12:16 ashimema export PERL5LIB="${PERL5LIB}":/home/koha/kohaclone:/home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP:/home/koha/koha-qa 12:16 ashimema alias qa="/home/koha/koha-qa/koha-qa.pl" 12:16 ashimema for instance. 12:17 ashimema surely a call to koha-shell would in fact mean you were qaing directly against the package install as apposed to the git repo your working on code within? 12:17 ashimema or am I beign really dense today? 12:23 magnuse ashimema: not if the package install is gitified 12:24 tcohen hi magnuse cait 12:25 magnuse i got the impression that the alias would not work, because i need to get the value for -v -c (and maybe more) into the middle of the command 12:25 ashimema ok.. well that makes sense.. 12:26 ashimema yeah.. the alias works perfectly for me.. with my gitified dev env ;) 12:28 cait bug 11126 12:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Make the holds system optionally give precedence to local holds 12:34 tcohen khall: could you please take a look at a failing test in master (jenkins)? its a test you wrote on Holidays.t 12:34 tcohen thx!! 12:35 khall tcohen: I looked at that this morning. Jenkins is still using the same default example holidays data as it always has, right? Nothings changed in the test database? 12:35 magnuse is http://wiki.koha-community.org/ down, or is it just me? 12:35 khall I can't get the test to fail on my system with our default Koha example data 12:35 khall magnuse: I can pull that up just fine 12:36 magnuse khall: ok, it's just got a grudge against me, then 12:37 magnuse ashimema: on current master, i am seeing "Use of uninitialized value $ENV{"REMOTE_USER"} in string ne at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Auth.pm line 711" - that line looks like: if ( !$shib and $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ne '' and $userid = $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ) { 12:38 magnuse should there be some more checking that $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} is set there? 12:39 marcelr see something similar in my logs: [Mon Oct 20 13:39:35 2014] [error] [client 192.87.126.61] [Mon Oct 20 13:39:35 2014] additem.pl: Use of uninitialized value $ENV{"REMOTE_USER"} in string ne at /usr/share/koha/testclone/C4/Auth.pm line 711., referer: http://libdevelop.rijksmuseum.nl:8009/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl 12:39 tcohen khall: it should be a good hint, that it failed "yesterday" 12:39 tcohen and it doesn't fail anymore! 12:39 magnuse (actually not completely up to date, but it does include the shibboleth stuff) 12:39 ashimema bck.. 12:40 * ashimema reading up 12:41 khall tcohen: interesting. I get it now! Yesterday was already a repeating holiday, so the special holidays took over and the test failed because of that! 12:41 khall tcohen: I was working on a fix this morning, I'll post it momentarily 12:42 * tcohen breathes relieved now he understands the bug is on the test itself! 12:42 ashimema are you testing shibboleth.. or is this just a new error that's crept in with shibboleth still disabled? 12:42 ashimema magnuse.. ^ 12:42 marcelr for me: no shibboleth, just a log warning from Auth.pm 12:43 ashimema k, thanks.. 12:43 ashimema Will take a proper look in a tic 12:44 magnuse ashimema: same for me, shibboleth is not enabled 12:45 * ashimema is checking out shibboleth again now :) 12:52 ashimema ooh.. that's interesting.. 12:52 ashimema I'm not seeing it in my logs 12:52 cait hm 12:52 cait wiki not workign for me either 12:53 cait magnuse: did you try with https maybe? this seems not working for me, but http does 12:55 magnuse cait: no https, just testing in my kohadevbox 12:55 magnuse ashimema: do you have REMOTE_USER set? 12:55 * magnuse has no clue how that is set 12:57 ashimema aha.. got the bugger.. 12:57 ashimema REMOTE_USER is a server environment variable.. often set by apache during basic auth.. 12:57 ashimema your right.. i'm spamming the logs wit my patch.. 12:57 ashimema oops.. how did I miss that.. 12:58 * magnuse is not good at checking the logs 12:58 ashimema I'll post a patch.. we just need to check definedness before testing for emptyness 12:58 ashimema well spotted magnuse, marcelr 12:58 marcelr khall: please look at my comment 26 on bug 10877; did anything change after that ? 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10877 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add "Order Record" processing 12:59 khall not that I'm aware of. Thanks for the rebase! 13:02 ashimema bug 13114 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13114 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Disabled Shibboleth authentication spams logs 13:02 cait ashimema: you put a bug in the shibboleth i qa'd! 13:02 cait ;) 13:02 ashimema hehe.. will be fixed in 5 minutes or so ;) 13:03 ashimema we'll still makes freeze i hope ;) 13:03 magnuse ashimema++ for quick response :-) 13:06 khall tcohen: I've filed a fix as bug 13115 13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13115 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Holidays.t will fail some unit tests on Sundays 13:06 tcohen khall++ 13:07 * khall is now rebooting 13:07 ashimema sorry guys.. thanks for spotting it so quick.. 13:08 ashimema patch pushed to bz 13:09 * magnuse will attempt a signoff 13:09 ashimema :) 13:13 tcohen magnuse: maybe another signoff on top of mine :-P 13:14 magnuse tcohen++ 13:14 magnuse i don't think i'll bother :-) 13:25 cait bye all, cya later 13:26 oleonard Hi #koha 13:33 ashimema haha, nice 13:37 tcohen hi oleonard 13:46 oleonard This might be useful if we need to supplement the Bootstrap icon set: https://github.com/google/material-design-icons/releases/tag/1.0.0 14:09 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:09 mtompset I was wondering if someone could confirm something for me. 14:09 mtompset diff ./opac-tmpl/ccsr/itemtypeimg/crystal-clear/_COPYING.txt ./intranet-tmpl/prog/img/itemtypeimg/crystal-clear/_COPYING.txt 14:10 mtompset in the koha template directory of a git. 14:10 mtompset Are they identical or differ by two lines? 14:11 oleonard 'git diff' shows no differences 14:12 mtompset are the file sizes the same? 14:12 mtompset or 2 bytes off? 14:13 oleonard I dunno, git diff doesn't say anything 14:13 mtompset Do two ls -la's. :P 14:14 oleonard So I take it the NewItemsDefaultLocation system preference doesn't work with MARC imports? Does anyone know? 14:14 oleonard It didn't work for me, but I could be doing it wrong. 14:15 mtompset NewsItemsDefaultLocation? 14:15 oleonard No, NewItemsDefaultLocation 14:15 mtompset Oh... New... Sorry, misread. 14:17 oleonard Also, shouldn't the PROC location be removed after I check something in? 14:17 oleonard Anyone used this feature before? 14:18 mtompset I know nothing. Sorry. 14:28 tcohen mtompset: don't worry about that 14:28 mtompset Kind of matters. 14:28 mtompset bug 12653 14:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12653 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , PROG/CCSR deprecation: Correct hard-coded opac-tmpl/prog path in tests 14:28 mtompset the icon directories are compared, and things go boom. :) 14:30 tcohen doesn't bernardo fix it in the patch? 14:30 mtompset I apply the patch, but it isn't fixed. 14:31 mtompset So, I'm trying to figure out where, why, how... 14:31 mtompset rather than outright fail qa. 14:31 tcohen let me handle that patch mtompset 14:31 tcohen don't worry about it 14:31 mtompset because everything else looks good. 14:40 tcohen mtompset: i told bgkriegel the tests are failing, will be working on that 15:32 reiveune bye 15:46 mtompset tcohen: I put up a patch which handles the whitespace properly. could you get bgkriegel to test it and sign it off, so the status of the bug can be set to signed off? :) 15:55 fridolin by 15:55 fridolin heu bye ;) 16:15 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 16:17 talljoy good day #koha 16:51 gaetan_B bye 16:53 sophie_m bonsoir 16:53 tcohen hola sophie_m 16:54 Pablo holaa!! 16:57 Pablo muchachos alguien que hable español? que me pueda ayudar? 16:58 tcohen hola Pablo 16:58 tcohen no queres practicar ingles? 16:58 Pablo hola tcohen 16:58 Pablo soy muy malo para el ingles jejje 16:58 tcohen no hay problem 16:58 tcohen a 16:58 Pablo usted sabe sobre koha? 16:59 tcohen bastante 16:59 Pablo me puede ayudar? 16:59 tcohen veremos :-D contanos 16:59 Pablo ok jej 16:59 Pablo ya lo tengo todo instalado y funciona bien 16:59 tcohen dame un segundo 17:00 tcohen y me contas 17:00 Pablo ok gracias 17:01 tcohen decime 17:02 Pablo gracias .. bueno lo que pasa es que cuando quiero ingresar una bibliografÃa, los campos me aparecen con HASH(xxxxxx) y no se porque :( 17:02 Pablo tengo una imagen, no se si se puede enviar por aca la url? 17:03 tcohen podes pegar la imagen en http://snag.gy 17:03 tcohen que versión de Koha tenes? 17:04 Pablo dame un segundo que la pego 17:05 Pablo es la ultima version, la verdad que la baje con git 17:05 tcohen espero la imagen 17:05 * cait waves from dinner 17:08 Pablo listo acá esta http://snag.gy/CjI7T.jpg 17:09 Pablo si puedes ver, los campos aparecen con HASH() y no con las cajas de texto 17:09 tcohen correcto 17:09 tcohen podrÃas ira Acerca de Koha y decirme que version es? 17:10 Pablo 3.17.00.027 17:10 Pablo esa es 17:12 tcohen ok, dejame revisar 17:13 Pablo muchas gracias tcohen 17:13 tcohen Pablo: podrÃas mostrarme como tenes configurada la hoja de trabajo predeterminada? 17:13 tcohen especificamente el campo 245$a 17:14 tcohen pareciera que has enlazado los campos con listas de valores autorizados 17:15 Pablo uu mil disculpas pero com veo la configuración de ese campo? 17:15 Pablo te puedo dar el acceso si lo quieres, como es de prueba no afecta en nada 17:16 tcohen una pregunta, ¿puede ser que estes usando unos templates en español desactualizados? 17:16 tcohen podrÃas probar en ingles para sacarnos la duda 17:16 Pablo ok 17:17 Pablo :O 17:17 Pablo claro que si, lo cambie a ingles y si me muestra los cmpos 17:17 Pablo campos 17:17 tcohen andó? 17:17 Pablo si 17:17 tcohen :-P 17:18 Pablo :( 17:18 Pablo y a que se debe eso? 17:18 tcohen queres contar que estabas probando? 17:18 tcohen basicamente el problema es que cuando se actualiza de una version a otra los templates van cambiando 17:18 Pablo cambie la interfaz del sistema solo a ingles y ya me muestra todos los campos 17:18 tcohen y si no actualizas las traducciones de los templates se quedan atras 17:19 Pablo uff 17:19 Pablo jejje 17:19 Pablo :$ 17:19 Pablo pero para actualizar la traducción hay que volver a instalar? 17:19 tcohen no 17:19 tcohen como lo instalaste? 17:20 Pablo por git-clone y luego segui los pasos del manual 17:20 tcohen que manual? 17:20 Pablo el que viene en la carpeta de koha cuando se descarga 17:21 Pablo dejame ver el nombre 17:21 tcohen INSTALL.* 17:21 Pablo install.debian 17:21 wahanui install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 17:21 Pablo claro 17:22 tcohen lo que tenes que hacer es, ir a la carpeta misc/translator 17:22 tcohen y ejecutar 17:22 tcohen perl translate install es-ES 17:22 Pablo voy 17:22 tcohen hay alguna razon en particular para que instales usando Git? 17:23 tcohen puedo recomendarte no hacerlo *para nada*? 17:23 Pablo la verdad que es primera vez, y no manejo mucho linux, y como en el manual estaban las dos opciones segui esa 17:24 Pablo pero lo tendre en mente para otra oportunidad 17:24 tcohen FTR: this is mtompset's fault 17:25 tcohen Pablo: si no manejas bien linux 17:25 tcohen te recomiendo que hagas un backup de la base de datos 17:25 tcohen sigas estas instrucciones para instalarlo de vuelta 17:25 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 17:25 tcohen y luego te ayudamos a cargar la base que estuviste trabajando, en el nuevo 17:25 Pablo es lo mismo para debian? 17:26 tcohen si 17:26 tcohen esas instrucciones andan perfecto en debian 17:26 Pablo ok.. lo haré para ver como me va.. 17:27 tcohen Pablo, donde estas ? 17:28 Pablo como donde? disculpa 17:28 tcohen estas en argentina? 17:28 Pablo no no.. soy de Santiago, Chile :$ 17:29 tcohen excelente :-D 17:29 Pablo jeje 17:29 * tcohen piensa que es bueno tener amigos en muchos sitios 17:29 Pablo asà es 17:29 Pablo la verdad que acá no hay mucha ayuda sobre koha 17:29 Pablo los foros estan muy desactualizados 17:30 Pablo y los chat de ayuda no funcionan 17:30 tcohen no tenemos foros 17:30 tcohen ni tenemos chats de ayuda 17:30 Pablo :O 17:30 tcohen :-D 17:30 Pablo y acá hay webs que si lo dicen 17:30 Pablo bueno 17:30 tcohen ah, deben ser proveedores de servicios 17:30 Pablo aaa, jejej puede ser 17:30 tcohen me pasas el enlace? 17:31 Pablo dame un seg que busco uno 17:31 tcohen el sitio oficial es http://koha-community.org 17:31 tcohen ahi hay mucha informacion 17:32 Pablo koha.cl 17:33 Pablo hay muchos que apuntan a esa url de koha-community 17:33 tcohen fuck 17:33 tcohen eso es un proveedor de servicios 17:34 tcohen que tiene un sitio que parece "muy oficial" 17:34 tcohen te recomiendo buscar la lista de correo koha-es en yahoo 17:34 tcohen *yahoogroups 17:34 tcohen que es la lista de hispanohablantes de koha 17:34 Pablo si.. hace un rato la vi 17:35 Pablo estaba de hecho mirando por si alguien tenia el mismo problema 17:35 tcohen si necesitas ayuda para volver a instalar ese Koha, avisame 17:36 Pablo serÃa genial contar con tu ayuda, la verdad que es bueno contar con personas como tu, que ayudan 17:36 Pablo se agradece mucho 17:38 tcohen yo estoy en koha-es. lo mismo que muchos otros dispuestos a ayudarte 17:38 Pablo gracias.. 17:38 tcohen asi que no lo dudes, y sumate pronto 17:38 tcohen ninguna pregunta esta de mas, no te quedes con dudas 17:38 Pablo disculpa, estoy viendo el manual. y el install koha-common, baja directamente del repo? 17:41 tcohen yeah :-D 17:41 tcohen agregas el repo, y ejecutas el instalador :-D 17:41 tcohen supongo que ahora comprenderas mi recomendacion :-D 17:42 Pablo sii 17:42 Pablo :D 17:43 Pablo se ve mas facil 17:43 tcohen si ya trabajaste en la base de datos de ese Koha 17:44 tcohen podemos ver la manera de reutilizar esa base de datos 17:44 tcohen por eso te decia que me avises si necesitas ayuda 17:44 Pablo si si claro, seguro que te la pediré :D 17:45 Pablo voy a hacer esa instalación, aunque la base de datos esta de cero 17:45 Pablo no tiene registros aún 17:45 tcohen ah, esta de cero tu base? 17:45 Pablo si 17:45 tcohen y las configuraciones? 17:45 Pablo estas estaran guardadas, pero esta todo por defecto 17:46 tcohen ah 17:46 tcohen entonces detona el servidor y empeza de vuelta 17:46 Pablo aún no hemos metido registros ni nada 17:46 Pablo si si 17:46 Pablo lo hare 17:46 tcohen una nota al margen: 17:46 tcohen 1) instalar koha-common 2) ejecutar koha-translate --install es-ES 3) seguir con la creación de la instancia... 17:46 tcohen el punto 2 es importante 17:47 tcohen porque no siempre esta bien explicado como hacer para tener la informacion predeterminada en español 17:47 tcohen cait: i'm preparing our photos for sharing 17:47 cait :) 17:47 cait i am doing laundry... 17:48 Pablo guardare eso jeje 17:48 tcohen now druthb_away has been on a cruise she doesn't like us anymore 17:48 cait yeah... looks like it 17:49 tcohen @later tell rangi are you using the #kohacon14 hashtag? 17:49 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:49 * druthb pokes tcohen gently 17:49 * tcohen likes that 17:50 druthb :P 17:50 * druthb has always liked tcohen and cait and all her other friends here. That's why she keeps comin' around. 17:51 tcohen druthb: so no Stockholm syndrom 17:51 druthb :P 17:52 cait heh 17:53 Pablo tcohen muchisimas gracias por tu ayuda, en cuanto lo instale te avisaré 17:54 tcohen Pablo: you are welcome, welcome to the Koha community :-D 17:54 Pablo :-P 17:55 cait :) 18:07 cait tcohen: can you also put a link on the wiki page for the photos? 18:08 tcohen don't think so :-P 18:13 cait pf :P 18:13 tcohen they seem to be 1GB so, need to wait a bit 18:13 cait did you delete all bad photos of me? 18:14 tcohen they all look awesome cait 18:14 * cait has doubts :) 18:28 tcohen https://flic.kr/s/aHsk5wN3Dj 18:30 rangi tcohen: use the hashtag for? 18:30 rangi flickr photos? yes 18:32 tcohen rangi: yes 18:32 tcohen didn't know how to do it 18:32 tcohen found it already, thanks 18:33 * cait giggles at some of the photos and growls at others 18:34 rangi are these the ones youre cousin took tcohen ? 18:34 tcohen rangi: yes 18:35 rangi nice! 18:36 cait yep 18:38 tcohen i love this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/57502613@N05/15586098842/in/set-72157648874663692/ 18:38 tcohen being "paletted" 18:38 tcohen heh 18:38 cait heh 18:38 rangi hehe 18:39 cait i like the ones on th egrass 18:40 * tcohen knew you like'd it!!!! 18:40 tcohen this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/57502613@N05/14965082993/ 18:40 tcohen RM <-> QAM meeting taking place 18:40 tcohen look #koha in who's hands are you! 18:41 cait heh 18:41 cait that was sabotage by bgkriegel! 18:41 cait first knocking over my weak fernet with coke only to replace it with a real strong one! 18:45 tcohen cait: do u actually remember what was going on? i think it was too much fernet for you 18:46 cait tcohen: heh 18:47 tcohen druthb: did cait tell u about fernet already? 18:47 druthb no…. 18:47 tcohen hmpf, did u see the picture? she's been mis-behaving a bit 18:47 druthb oooo 18:47 * druthb wants pics. 18:48 tcohen druthb: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk5wN3Dj 18:49 cait :P 18:49 druthb hm…creaky slow link 18:50 druthb there it is… 18:51 druthb cait, you got pretty red laying in the grass. Too much sun, or embarrassed to get caught? 18:52 * tcohen saw cait quite happy, so drunk i think 18:52 druthb lol 18:52 cait :P 18:53 cait that's what you get for doing tcohen a favor... 18:53 cait I was not that drunk 18:53 cait just a little tipsy 18:53 * druthb suspects a happy-drunk cait is more fun! 18:54 cait druthb: the sun couldn't get to me that day - everyone was trying to drown me in sun lotion 18:54 druthb lol 18:54 druthb cait, you're so pale! Here's some sun lotion! 18:54 druthb wahanui: cait? 18:54 wahanui cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. 18:54 tcohen we had great time, and cait wasn't drunk, but quite happy 18:55 druthb wahanui: cait is also very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion. 18:55 wahanui okay, druthb. 18:55 * druthb snickers. 18:56 * druthb squints at the pics some more. paul_p with a beard? 18:57 paul_p hi druthb yep (since something like 4 months) 18:57 paul_p s/since/for/ ;-) 18:57 cait druthb: the reasoning was more: cait is already so red... she needs more sun lotion 18:57 druthb looks good! :) 18:57 * cait agrees 18:58 * druthb sees talljoy all tall and smiley and beautiful (as always). 18:59 talljoy you haven't seen me today then....lol 18:59 druthb Hmpf. you're always beautiful, dear. I mark out a short timebox every single day to be jealous. 19:08 * cait agrees :) 19:08 tcohen bye 3koha 19:08 tcohen #koha 19:09 rangi cya tcohen 19:09 cait cya tcohen 20:26 rangi morning again 20:34 cait evening again rangi 20:36 wizzyrea hi 20:44 talljoy hola 20:49 cait hola wizzyrea and talljoy 20:49 talljoy hiya cait! 21:30 eythian hi 21:30 cait night all 21:30 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 21:30 eythian bye 21:44 * magnuse waves sleepily 22:15 * magnuse falls asleep 22:33 talljoy zzzzzzzzzzz 22:58 mneumann_NCRL Any reported issues with Koha in general? ours is down. 22:58 eythian that's not really how Koha works :) 22:59 mneumann_NCRL Well there could be VM or cloud hosting issues. 22:59 eythian You'll have to talk to whoever runs your Koha to see what's happening, there's no such thing as Koha in general.