Time Nick Message 00:44 mtj ooh, i didnt realise that bootstrap3 only supports IE8 and higher 00:44 mtj http://getbootstrap.com/getting-started/#support 00:44 mtj "Specifically, we support the latest versions of the following browsers and platforms. On Windows, we support Internet Explorer 8-11." 00:48 mtj but, i'm sure they have their reasons... :0) 00:59 wizzyrea namely: everything before 8 sucks (well, 8 sucks too but it starts to progressively suck less.) 01:00 rangi and anyone running ie7 on the internet 01:00 rangi is probably owned 01:00 wizzyrea ^ 01:07 eythian 3.16.04 packages uploading 01:08 wizzyrea \o/ 01:13 tcohen \o/ 01:15 wizzyrea confetti! 01:15 wahanui confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 01:15 wizzyrea haha that one makes me laugh 01:24 eythian new master packages uploading 01:24 eythian (sure is nice having master building reliably again) 01:24 wizzyrea confetti! 01:24 wahanui confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 01:25 wizzyrea I was getting tired of yay's 03:41 Guest213 kia ora #koha 05:12 cait hi all 05:12 cait gmcharlt++ 05:28 Oak gmcharlt++ 05:28 Oak and thank you to all :) 05:29 Oak how's packing cait 05:44 cait Oak: progressing :) 05:45 cait how are you? 05:45 Oak cool. i'm good. how are you? 05:45 Oak how many pair of shoes? 05:45 cait lol 05:45 cait 3 i think 05:45 Oak :) 05:45 Oak ah 3 is fine. 05:45 cait funny, i just picked them out 05:45 Oak hehe 06:51 marcelr hi #koha 06:53 reiveune hello 06:57 marcelr hello reiveune 06:58 reiveune hi marcelr magnuse 07:01 alex_a bonjour 07:01 fridolin hie community 07:16 Oak Bonjour monsieur alex_a 07:16 gaetan_B hello 07:22 cait morning #koha 07:24 Joubu good morning 07:25 cait morning Joubu! 07:25 Joubu cait: Did you finish to pack? :) 07:26 cait not quite yet 07:26 cait I did 3 loads of laundry last night... waiting for things to dry :) 07:27 rangi @wunder cordoba argentina 07:27 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 16.7°C (4:25 AM ART on October 02, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling). 07:27 rangi 16 at 4.25am is pretty warm 07:27 rangi dont pack too much ;) 07:30 cait rangi: packing layers, not a lot of warm things 07:31 cait but with t-shirts and stuff... there is already quite a pile to pack on my desk at home 07:33 ashimema :( 07:33 cait ashimema: we will keep you updated, promise 07:33 ashimema :) 07:35 ashimema We're having a sprint here during hackfest.. trying to get ILL developed in one week ;) 07:35 cait oh wow 07:35 ashimema should keep me reasonably entertained 07:35 cait any progess on edi? 07:35 cait i was hoping we could get that moving too 07:35 ashimema Lots... 07:35 cait i think shib is mostly done 07:35 cait but i need to sit down and write up stuff 07:35 ashimema We've been rolling it out to customers for the past couple of weeks.. 07:36 ashimema lots of iterating and fixing bugs found by customers.. 07:36 cait ah cool :) 07:36 cait brb 07:36 ashimema I'm still poking Colin pretty much daily to get it submitted upstream. 07:36 ashimema the repo is out there for all to see though.. and I believe linked to in a few prominent places. 07:37 ashimema Reading the code, there still a few tiny bits of tidying to do.. which is why I think he's not submitted it yet.. 07:44 cait hm maybe he needs to submit :) to make it move 07:45 ashimema It's moving.. 07:45 ashimema I think that's his problem.. 07:45 ashimema it's still moving so much here that he feels it's not ready for community. 07:45 ashimema Should be submitted imminently 07:46 ashimema I'll chase yet again today. 07:47 cait :) 07:47 cait i should chase pianohacker... 08:40 ztajoli Hi to all 08:40 ztajoli news from yesterday 08:44 ztajoli There is an update on the thread about IE6/IE7: 08:44 ztajoli http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-October/040836.html 08:45 ztajoli As i understand, in fact now we don't support IE6 08:45 ztajoli We can discass about IE7 08:46 ztajoli we have positions against support of IE7 08:47 ztajoli We don't positions pro IE7 (Opac and Intranet) 08:47 ztajoli Your opinion ? 09:09 fridolin hie ztajoli, how is the opac rendered on IE7/8 ? do you have a screen shot ? 09:10 fridolin in my opinion it is normal to not support old browsers 09:12 fridolin IE8 exists since 2009, 5 years is a 09:12 fridolin huge time for software 09:13 fridolin so IE6 /7 are more than obsolete 09:19 ztajoli No, I don't have it 09:31 Oak later guys. 10:29 gerundio hey all, good morning 10:31 gerundio I'm trying to upgrade Koha from version 3.14.08 to 3.14.10 on Debian 7.6 (wheezy) 10:31 gerundio using apt-get update the koha-common package is listed under "The following packages have been kept back" 10:32 gerundio using aptitude I was able to find out that there's an unsatisfied dependency... liblocale-marketext-lexicon-perl 10:33 gerundio is there any workaround for this without performing an apt-get dist-upgrade ? ..ooO(which I'm not sure that will solve the problem anyways) 10:39 gerundio somehow performing apt-get install koha-common showed that the unsatisfied dependency package would be installed 10:40 gerundio don't quite understand why apt-get upgrade wouldn't install it as well... but it seems my problem's solved 11:00 ztajoli News on IE7 and Koha opac: 11:01 ztajoli same screen shoots at http://imgur.com/a/5Yz6B 11:01 ztajoli To test you can use IETester, <http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage>, 11:02 ztajoli In fact the result is quite bad on graphic 11:02 ztajoli Cart and lists are not working in practies 11:03 ztajoli Koha vesrion tested: master from sandbox 11:09 ashimema marcelr any chance you could explain the background of bug 12973 11:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Allow passing code to XSLT_Handler instead of filename 11:10 ashimema or jsut your train of thought as to how it can go some way to solving bug 12758 11:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12758 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Failure when loading or parsing XSLT stylesheets over HTTPS 11:10 ashimema think my brain is on a go slow this morning 11:33 cait hi BobB_Mobile :) cu soon :) 11:56 akafred Anyone know of a publicly available mirror of git-bz somewhere? (I cannot use the git-protocol from work, need an https-url ... ) 11:56 cait akafred: hm maybe Joubu knows 11:56 akafred Btw ... will there be live streaming from KohaCon? Or videos available afterwards? 11:57 cait akafred: i only know that they have set up equipment for remote presentations 11:57 cait maybe ask tcohen directly when he shows up - or bgkriegel 11:58 cait akafred: i will try to post to twitter and maybe we can post summaries 12:02 cait bye all :) 2 weeks vacation now :) 12:05 Joubu akafred: no sorry, I don't know 12:05 Joubu akafred: there is https://github.com/KohaAloha/git-bz 12:05 akafred Anyone have a good twitter-list of Koha-people? 12:05 Joubu but not up-to-date 12:05 Joubu akafred: I can push it on my github account if you are still blocked 12:06 akafred Thanks, we just did ourselves: https://github.com/digibib/git-bz 12:06 akafred No automatic mirroring, though. 12:07 khall mornin #koha! 12:15 marcelr ashimema: 12:15 marcelr around? 12:18 ashimema am now marcelr 12:18 marcelr hi 12:18 marcelr i submitted the patch for 12758 12:18 marcelr it uses the string parameter of 12973 12:19 marcelr wait: not really, it fixes it with the workaround subroutine 12:19 marcelr the string parameter will be needed later on for perhaps marc mod templates 12:20 ashimema brill.. thanks marcel.. i'll tkae a look at the code.. 12:20 marcelr the workaround sub switches location and string parameters of load_xml 12:20 ashimema i just understadn how the interaction would work 12:20 marcelr but note that is only a partial solution 12:21 marcelr i do not see any solutions now for the import references to https 12:21 marcelr this is a libxml2 c problem 12:22 ashimema sure.. 12:22 ashimema I see now.. 12:22 marcelr too bad to solve a problem only half 12:22 ashimema thanks marcel.. I'll take a look at signing both off.. 12:22 ashimema it's a real shame that libxml contains the faul.. 12:22 ashimema fault.. even.. 12:23 ashimema I don't hold out much hope in an upstream patch happening any time soon :( 12:27 oleonard Hi #koha 12:28 marcelr ashimema: i fear the same 12:28 marcelr hi oleonard 12:31 ashimema did we actually post the bug all the way up to the c libarary? 12:32 * oleonard wonders how many levels up from the c library 'til you reach fundamental flaws in the laws of physics 12:36 marcelr :) 12:37 marcelr ashimema: i just contacted the author of the perl module with no results (we had no code of conduct at that time ;) 12:38 ashimema yeah.. his response was very poor. 12:38 ashimema I'll see if I can work out how to post a bug to libxml c 12:38 ashimema https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=libxml2&content=https 12:38 marcelr ashimema++ 12:39 ashimema I certainly can't find anything related so far.. so I think it's one they've not spotted yet.. 12:39 ashimema parse xsl is a libxml 'thing' right.. i'm just wondering ifit's a bit fringe doing the load from remote file 12:40 marcelr Pathological performance .. abysmal performance 12:41 marcelr ashimema: yes it is somewhat strange to load a string with an import to htttps 12:41 marcelr but bugs are 12:41 ashimema indeed.. 12:42 ashimema I was more wondering if an import is strange full stop.. 12:42 ashimema never mind that it's https. 12:42 marcelr no the import itself will be used heavily 12:52 * fridolin releasing 3.14.11 13:02 oleonard gmcharlt++ 13:02 oleonard fridolin++ 13:07 fridolin thanks ;) 13:19 fridolin FYI http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-11-released/ 13:21 marcelr fridolin++ 13:59 tcohen .morning 14:18 * cait waves 15:03 tcohen ahhhZ 15:04 * cait is worried 15:05 reiveune bye 15:15 Joubu see you ;) 15:18 fridolin see u 15:25 cait Joubu: :) 15:25 cait Joubu: when are you leaving? my flight leaves around noon tomorrow 16:11 bgkriegel hello 16:11 wahanui bidet, bgkriegel 16:12 * cait waves :) 16:12 bgkriegel hi cait :) 16:14 * Oak waves 16:16 Oak oleonard, i replied to your thread but my message is awaiting approval from list moderator...... 16:17 oleonard Thanks Oak. Usually that means you included too many addresses in your reply. 16:18 Oak yeah it says " Too many recipients to the message" 16:18 Oak i only hit reply all in the phone asuming there must be only 2 addresses. 16:18 oleonard I try to send my replies only to the list partly because of that 16:18 Oak hmm. 16:18 Oak got it. 16:19 oleonard I don't suppose any mass-market email client these days is built with a "reply to list" feature :P 16:19 Oak :) 16:20 Oak i could paste email in a new message to the list. but i'm not sure i should do that. 16:21 Oak if you got the email on your address then i guess mission complete. you got my input. that's that. 16:22 oleonard Theoretically that would break threading in email clients which thread based on in-reply-to, but I think those are few and far between as well 16:22 Oak hmm 16:43 cait bgkriegel++ tcohen++ 16:44 jcamins Oak: do you know anyone who writes support for IE quirks for fun because they're bored? 16:44 * jcamins sure doesn't. 16:46 Oak well i actually wrote "if you are bored and hate your life" but then thought that would sound rude(ish) and chose a polite version that surely is stupid. 16:46 jcamins lol 16:46 jcamins The original version sounds much more accurate. 16:46 Oak i wrote that "if you are bored and hate your life" but then erased it i meant. 16:46 Oak :) 16:47 Oak yeah. 16:47 * jcamins understood what you meant. :) 16:47 Oak :] 16:54 * oleonard pictures someone maintaining a custom OPAC theme which uses <font>, layout tables, sliced-up images and Active-X controls 16:56 cait heh 16:59 dani Hello 17:02 dani I have a questions about how "biblios in the resevoir" works. 17:10 cait dani: just ask 17:10 cait if someone around knows, they will answer 17:11 dani how do the records clear out if they are from Z39.50 search? Do they periodically get deleted? Do they need to be manually deleted? Deleted by cron? 17:12 cait by cron 17:12 cait i think one of the crons can do it 17:12 cait the one that does general database cleanups 17:13 cait but it depends on your version 17:13 cait which version of Koha are you using? 17:13 dani Agh, I suspected that. 3.16 17:14 cait hm 17:14 cait it should work there 17:14 cait but it needs to be activated 17:14 dani excellent, thanks cait 17:55 gaetan_B bye 17:57 Gidoen_Liang hi 17:58 Gidoen_Liang who knows how to import csv file to patron or cataloging books ? 17:59 Gidoen_Liang who knows how to import csv file to patron or cataloging books ? 18:02 Gidoen_Liang is there any body? 18:11 oleonard Gidoen_Liang: There is a tool built into Koha for importing patrons from CSV 18:11 oleonard Gidoen_Liang: Tools -> Import patrons 18:12 oleonard Gidoen_Liang: If you want to import bibliographic data which is in CSV you'll have to convert the CSV to MARC with a tool like MarcEdit 18:12 oleonard http://marcedit.reeset.net/ 18:14 Gidoen_Liang oleonard： where can upload bibliographic data please ? 18:15 oleonard Gidoen_Liang: If you have a MARC file you can use Tools -> Stage MARC records for import 18:16 Gidoen_Liang oleonard： i found it , thanks a lot ! 18:16 oleonard You're welcome 18:56 Liang how to find ways for physical circulations data to embed into system ? 18:59 oleonard I don't understand your question Liang 20:50 wnickc @wunder 05048 20:50 huginn wnickc: The current temperature in Quechee Lakes Sec 1, Quechee, Vermont is 18.4°C (4:50 PM EDT on October 02, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 20:53 tcohen hi 20:53 wahanui que tal, tcohen 21:01 * tcohen is puzzled why people doesn't reply emails asking for confirmation 21:01 cait oh tcohen 21:02 tcohen so far: 151 people registered, 82 confirmed, 21 aborted, 49 unconfirmed 21:02 cait annoying 21:16 nengard gonna miss you all 21:16 cait we will be here 21:19 nengard not the same 21:19 cait well i have to go now and reinstall the laptop... but i might hopefully be back 21:19 cait i know :( 21:19 wnickc hi and bye cait 21:19 wnickc tcohen, it is likely me, but I can't get bug 11232 working, just wanted to play more in marc21 21:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Retrieve facets from Zebra 21:20 cait wnickc: did you reindex? 21:20 wnickc keep getting can't call method 'raw' 21:20 cait and now... i should hsut down :) 21:20 wnickc yup 21:21 wnickc applied patches, copied files to respective locations, rebuilt zebra, relaunch browser 21:21 wnickc I got it on my first try, but now cannot make it happen, no worries if you are busy 21:21 tcohen wnickc: i can't tell right now 21:21 tcohen it works for me 21:22 tcohen once, I had the wrong files 21:22 study_koha i explorted all data from my phpmyadmin with sql file, and i sent to bywater compay , after that, they sent me one txt file back which seem to tell me the data has some issue, but i can not undertand the content, it looks like: "500............................................................................Item not added (bib 576, item tag #5, barcode 33927000024377): duplicate barcode 33927000024377 ........................ 600........................ 21:22 wnickc okay, I will keep fussing, must have missed something like that 21:22 wnickc thanks tcohen 21:22 study_koha 500............................................................................Item not added (bib 576, item tag #5, barcode 33927000024377): duplicate barcode 33927000024377 ........................ 600.................................................................................................... 700Item not added (bib 700, item tag #9, barcode 33927000030978): duplicate barcode 33927000030978 ......Item not added (bib 706, item tag #5, barcode 33 21:22 study_koha i explorted all data from my phpmyadmin with sql file, and i sent to bywater compay , after that, they sent me one txt file back which seem to tell me the data has some issue, but i can not undertand the content, it looks like: "500............................................................................Item not added (bib 576, item tag #5, barcode 33927000024377): duplicate barcode 33927000024377 ........................ 600........................ 21:22 study_koha who know how to fix it ? 21:22 cait you got doubled up barcodes 21:23 cait a barcode should be unique 21:24 study_koha cait: but seems no barcode in my database 21:27 tcohen wnickc: I ended up deleting the koha-dev dir, and installing again 21:27 tcohen just to be sure 21:27 tcohen the upgrade path is not clear to me 21:27 eythian hi 21:31 rangi morning 21:32 cait back from tablet 21:32 wnickc I will keep playing later 21:33 wnickc thanks again tcohen 21:34 * cait grumps about not remembering the password for the ubuntu install on the ssd :( 21:34 cait would save me so much time 21:35 eythian that might be an issue 21:35 eythian go change it 21:35 cait not funny 21:35 cait morning eythian 21:35 eythian it's totally easy to change passwords on things. 21:36 eythian unless they're encrypted, then it's a problem 21:36 cait yes.... 21:37 eythian ah, then you're stuck 21:38 cait yep 21:39 eythian you know what you should do? remember the password 21:39 * cait glares at eythian 21:43 cait do i want lvm? 21:43 cait help? 21:43 wahanui help is, like, at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help 21:43 cait :) 21:44 eythian cait: sure 21:44 eythian I dunno 21:44 eythian up to you 21:44 eythian you probably won't notice either way 21:44 cait hm 21:44 eythian but it's good if you want to do fancier things with disks, like turn it into raid or whatever. 21:45 eythian but if you don't, it'll just be there not doing any harm. 21:45 cait probably not, but its already installing 21:45 cait thx 21:46 cait so i tild it I wanted to install encrypted 21:47 cait but it still asks if i want to encrypt my home directory= 21:47 cait ? 21:47 cait any suggestions? :) 21:47 eythian well, if you're doing whole disk encryption, encrypted home dir is a different thing. 21:48 eythian if it's just for you, you probably don't need both. 21:48 eythian so one or the other. 21:48 cait ok 21:48 cait that was what i was thinking 21:48 cait so the first shoudl be enough? 21:49 eythian yeah 21:49 cait cool 21:49 cait thx! 21:49 eythian presumably that's whole disk encryption, so you'll need a password on boot 21:50 cait i checked the checkbox... we will see what happens 21:55 cait wow that was done fast 21:57 eythian yeah, it's zippy eh 21:57 cait lets find out if i remember the password ) 21:58 cait oh no 21:58 cait i think i netered my password on an english keyboard... 21:58 eythian haha 21:58 cait not funny!! 21:59 eythian yes it is :) 21:59 cait no, it's about midnight and not funny :) 21:59 cait i guess i need to start over 21:59 eythian it's not even lunchtime yet 21:59 jcamins cait: but at least you know the password now, right? Just find an English keyboard and compare it to the German. 21:59 eythian surely you could work it out 22:00 cait and how do i change it? 22:00 cait can you change it? 22:00 cait i have lots of special keys. hm. 22:01 eythian you surely can change it, I just don't know how. 22:03 cait hm now when i start it, it goes to the grub screen - i pick ubuntu, then get a black screen 22:03 cait *sigh* 22:03 cait not sure if it does something, it doesn't look like it 22:04 eythian try using the recovery mode 22:04 eythian it tends to give you more info 22:05 cait ok 22:06 cait still a problem with the passphrase 22:07 eythian as in, you can't get it right? 22:07 cait and i tried to type the english keyboard and the german keyboard version 22:07 cait yeah 22:07 cait eactly 22:07 eythian If I were you, I'd do a reinstall, being careful about your keymaps :) 22:07 cait yes 22:08 eythian or just do an encrypted homedir, which works with your login password. 22:08 eythian (and is totally transparent.) 22:08 cait hm? 22:08 eythian encrypted home dir is easier as you don't have to think about it ever 22:09 cait i will try 22:09 cait just waiting for the installer to coome back up 22:09 cait that waht takes longest 22:09 cait thx again 22:09 eythian np, I'm just waiting for 3.14.11 to build 22:10 cait yay... general error mounting filesystems 22:10 cait and the sounds are not promising 22:10 eythian Man, General Error. He gets everywhere. 22:11 cait remember? not funny! 22:11 cait :) 22:11 cait ok.. it is 22:12 study_koha hi anyone knows what is the rule of "barcode" name? could i give it with any numbers though it is unique ? 22:12 eythian study_koha: anything you like, but must be unique 22:13 study_koha eythian: really thanks 22:13 cait ok, cross fingers, trying again... 22:14 eythian 3.14.11 uploading 22:14 eythian 3.14.11 uploaded 22:15 cait something is seriously wrong here 22:15 cait now it complained about not finding files... and then didn't let me install at all 22:15 * cait tries a last time 22:16 eythian weird 22:20 cait ok... now it seemed to load the installer... from the noise it made... but i end up with a black screen 22:28 eythian ... 22:28 eythian turn it off and turn it back on again? 22:30 cait i tried that... i am giving up 22:30 cait there is something wrong i don't want to argue with it any longer 22:30 rangi are you taking it to argentina? 22:31 cait yeah 22:31 cait or what exactly? :) 22:31 cait and hiya rangi 22:31 rangi the thing you cant install on :) 22:31 cait hm not sure 22:31 cait too worried something is broken with it 22:32 cait after the strange behaviour 22:32 cait iw ill take the laptop with the normal harddrive i think 22:32 rangi good idea 22:32 rangi also this 22:32 wahanui also this is cool 22:33 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10573997/Dog-attack-hero-I-jumped-the-fence-like-a-crazy-Maori-boy 22:33 rangi is pretty classic nz 22:35 rangi tcohen: are you around? 23:02 migration hi everyone, who knows how i can make a data migration from my phpmyadmin to bywater koha plase ? 23:03 migration i already have online library account in bywater koha 23:10 cait1 maybe you should ocntact bywater support to help you? 23:12 migration i see, thanks 23:17 cait1 no sure what the offer is you are using and what it includes 23:17 cait1 and data migration is complicated depending on where you come from 23:24 tcohen hi rangi 23:24 tcohen cooking 23:24 tcohen rangi: don't ne jealous, will pick you and BobB too 23:24 tcohen :-P