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23:58 bgkriegel__ tcohen: which strings?
23:58 bgkriegel__ my nick is getting longer
23:45 rangi yeah thats from aimee who is cool and eythian's friend
23:45 wizzyrea ooh but I just thought of somewhere to look.
23:45 wizzyrea ... but i'm sorry I really don't know
23:44 wizzyrea http://ideaforge.io/about/
23:44 cait i think it was blue :P
23:44 cait lol
23:44 rangi nope cant rememeber
23:43 rangi https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/367557-koha
23:43 cait and it ranked
23:43 cait you picked one out of 2
23:43 wizzyrea yeah that was a different thing
23:43 cait it was kind of a ranking thing
23:43 rangi hmm bountysource gets ideas out of bugzilla
23:43 rangi ideatorrent
23:43 cait it got data out of bugzilla
23:42 rangi hmm no, thats not what i was thinking of
23:41 rangi there is ideaforge now
23:40 cait how can you forget that :)
23:40 cait it was cool!
23:40 cait lol
23:40 rangi no idea
23:40 cait rangi? :)
23:40 rangi nope
23:40 wizzyrea some weird web service.
23:39 wizzyrea rangi might remember too I thought he set it up
23:39 wizzyrea I do remember this
23:39 cait :)
23:38 wizzyrea buuuuuuut I might have IRC logs from when we talked about it :P
23:37 cait ah :(
23:37 wizzyrea yes, I do and I do not remember what it was...
23:36 tcohen :-P
23:36 cait yep
23:36 tcohen cait is trying to adjust to Argentina's tz, to avoid jetlag
23:36 cait i am not sure it was officially there, but i am trying to find out what that was :)
23:36 cait wizzyrea: do you remember that thing we had on the website for bit? it gave you 2 bugs and you picked the more important one
23:35 tcohen ?
23:35 cait oh
23:35 cait hi there
23:35 eythian also, hi :)
23:35 cait :)
23:35 eythian cait: go to bed
23:32 tcohen bgkriegel_: are the new guided reports strings appearing? (master)
23:30 cait i am not aware of a bug for it
23:30 cait hi bgkriegel :)
23:29 huginn bgkriegel_: The operation succeeded.
23:29 bgkriegel_ @later tell cait master DE staff, Administration > Systemparameter > Kataloganreicherung, Alle section, there is an untranslated "NOTE: you can...". Do we have a bug number for this?
23:21 bgkriegel_ cait, still around?
22:40 tcohen hi eythian
22:28 wahanui hi, eythian
22:28 eythian hi
22:24 rangi true
22:21 wizzyrea for example: if you put a barcode into a title search, it wouldn't come up with the item.
22:21 wizzyrea I wonder if the librarians at that library are using a different default search, or changing the search to one that doesn't work. It does seem unusual that it wouldn't come up with a barcode
22:18 wizzyrea more, similar, problems.
22:17 wizzyrea for more similar problems
22:17 wizzyrea yeah another
22:17 tcohen is there a new patch?
22:17 tcohen ubuntu upgraded bash today
22:16 wizzyrea HOPEFULLY SOON JEEZ
22:16 wizzyrea debian anyway, ubuntu is "not yet"
22:11 rangi hi tcohen
22:10 cait hi wizzyrea
22:10 tcohen hicait
22:10 wizzyrea hi cait :)
22:10 cait hi tcohen
22:10 wizzyrea hi tcohen :)
22:10 tcohen hi rangi wizzyrea
22:09 wizzyrea funny because I checked about 40 minutes ago and it wasn't there
22:08 rangi i just did git, doing bugs now
22:08 wizzyrea d*
22:08 wizzyrea koha-community.org update
22:08 wizzyrea ah yep so it is
22:08 wizzyrea yeah
22:07 rangi and the search email?
22:07 rangi seems to be
22:07 wizzyrea oh is it out now?
22:06 rangi and upgraded bash again
21:42 wizzyrea oh that latest email to the list... buuuurn.
21:42 wnickc bye #koha, have a good weekend!
21:37 jmsasse Later.
21:36 jmsasse I'm off to a Plum Creek 40th anniversary thing tonight.
21:32 jmsasse Ready for a looonnggg weekend but don't have one coming.
21:31 wnickc how are you?
21:31 wnickc not too much going on ehre, looking forward to a long weekend
21:29 wnickc Hi jmsasse
21:28 cait here :)
21:26 jmsasse wnickc: what's happening, bro?
21:19 * wizzyrea nods
21:19 wahanui you are a Cylon, and they all have plans.
21:19 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
21:19 wizzyrea hehe
21:19 wahanui i think cait is just silly on a train again
21:19 bgkriegel_ cait?
21:16 wnickc It is at that
21:15 wnickc :-)
21:14 wizzyrea see, a happy day.
21:14 wizzyrea ...and I don't even owe the awesome jar
21:14 bgkriegel_ Hi wizzyrea :)
21:14 wizzyrea it's a beautiful day, the world still turns, and making library software is awesome!
21:13 wizzyrea Hello #koha!
21:13 wizzyrea naw, make a big noise!
21:12 * wnickc waves so as not to disturb the silence
21:12 cait hm?
21:03 wizzyrea oh you guys.
18:42 cait :)
18:40 magnuse how hard can it be?
18:39 cait with insane rules...
18:39 cait heh
18:38 oleonard It's all just a big database! ;)
18:38 oleonard Who wants to re-write the lists feature from scratch? Anyone?
18:37 oleonard ...and everyone that looks at the code says "Wow this code really should be re-written!"
18:37 oleonard The latest patch is an improvement, but not a complete fix.
18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6279 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Can't delete lists from the second page of lists in the OPAC
18:36 oleonard Ugh. Bug 6279.
17:14 Oak \o/
17:12 magnuse Oak
16:55 * indradg waves
16:55 Oak magnuse
16:55 Oak hello rambutan !
16:54 rambutan hey Oak
16:54 * Oak waves
16:53 indradg Joubu: around?
16:52 huginn indradg: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Joubu> cait: I let a note ;)
16:52 indradg @seen Joubu
15:32 reiveune bye
15:10 * oleonard thinks 3 pallets? That's a lot of Kindles
15:10 Shane-S oh GTG, 3 pallets just came in...be back
15:09 Shane-S yeah, I am seeing this as I go through the fields...I notice many say [Obsolete]
15:09 jcamins If you have, e.g., 20 iPads, you'd still only want one record so that people could figure out what to place a hold on.
15:09 jcamins Shane-S: you're likely to spend more time making a framework than you would cataloging items, I'd think.
15:08 Shane-S however, when we go 1 to 1, I am thinking Koha would be great to "sign out" student chromebooks for the year
15:08 jcamins (and if you are cataloging enough to justify a new framework, please feel free to send me some of the devices you're deaccessioning:)
15:08 oleonard Shane-S: The other reason might be if the default framework had *required* fields you didn't want to populate.
15:08 Shane-S oh...right now at most 20
15:07 oleonard Shane-S: I would only create a new framework if it helps with the workflow of frequently adding items of that type
15:07 jcamins Shane-S: how many electronic devices do you plan on cataloging?
15:05 Shane-S I though I would need to, since it is an electronic device and many fields are not needed, like bibliographic and library of congress type of things
15:04 oleonard Shane-S: Why are you creating a new framework?
15:01 Shane-S I just made a new type based on the default and I am removing some obvious stuff that is useless..like bibliographic fields
14:57 oleonard Actually Shane-S now that I think about it they probably composed the records outside of Koha and imported it
14:56 Shane-S okay, I was just curious if they made a new one....but this looks way over my head (understanding all the codes).
14:55 oleonard Probably the default. You can look at the links above and download the MARC record if you're curious how our catalogers did it.
14:54 Shane-S oleonard: what MARC framework did you use for the laptops?
14:36 wahanui thanks druthb :)
14:36 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie
14:21 oleonard Give it a try
14:21 oleonard I don't know Shane-S
14:20 Shane-S oleonard: tablet (item type) current checkouts: 1 load period: 7 ; all (item type) current checkout: 2 load period: 7
14:19 Shane-S oleonard: will having this rule allow 3 checkout total (2 anything, 1 tablet) or will it only allow 2 max (1 anything, 1 tablet)....
14:04 Shane-S Likely a Winter Break project now
14:04 Shane-S seperate question i used packages...can I get from 3.12 to 3.16 easily (I wanted to do it this summer, but it got shelved for about 30 other projects)
14:00 Shane-S oleonard: ty, I will go play!
13:59 oleonard Shane-S: Yes. Assign those items a different item type and create a separate circulation rule for that item type.
13:58 Shane-S hmm...i guess now the question is...since I don't mess with Koha much (I just got it running), can I set-up special checkout rules separate from normal library media rules?
13:48 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=289796
13:48 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=324410
13:44 oleonard Shane-S: We have added other equipment, like laptops and bicycles.
13:42 Shane-S Has anyone added Kindle's into their systems? I am thinking of doing that so I can check-out and check-in borrowed kindles.
12:10 cait Joubu: saw your comment just now sorry
12:09 oleonard Oh jeeze you guys I just realized Koha sucks. I'm outta here.
12:09 cait Andy for self checkout you need staff user to login with, the students need no permissions
12:08 Joubu cait: I let a note ;)
12:08 Andy chris_n this is self checkout
12:07 Joubu cait: I wait for an answer from Maxime
12:07 chris_n Andy: http://tinyurl.com/mjo2tec
12:06 cait Joubu: shoudl 11876 be pqa or do you want someone to take a look at the follwo up?
12:05 Andy but when I give them only check out and check in permission the system won't let me sign in
12:05 Andy for students, I just want them to check out/check in books and nothing else
12:04 jcamins Andy: if you are giving your students access to the staff client, then yes, you will need to follow the instructions that say to give your staff catalogue and staff_access permissions.
12:03 chris_n Andy: expressing opinions such as "Koha sucks" will probably not encourage the folks here to be of much help. But maybe you should have a look around the FAQ on the website: specifically this one: http://tinyurl.com/lvfna3j
11:58 Andy My question is for a question what are the basic permissions we should give? Koha sucks if there is no permission list for students.
11:58 Andy Is this okay?
11:57 huginn Andy: downloading the Perl source
11:57 Andy @chris: It only worked after adding: catalogue Required for staff login. Staff access, allows viewing of catalogue in staff client.
11:53 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
11:53 chris_n heya oleonard
11:53 chris_n Andy: try giving your user borrowers permissions
11:52 oleonard Hi #koha
11:48 chris_n mtj: ping
11:27 Andy Anybody there?
11:26 Andy I get it. It's the permission issue but I have given the circulation permission to this user, but still I am getting this error
11:25 Andy I get this Error: You do not have permission to access this page.
11:25 Andy but when I try to login using the ID and password
11:25 Andy (students)
11:25 Andy I am making patrons
11:25 Andy I need help
11:25 wahanui hi, Andy
11:25 Andy Hi there
09:47 paxed from a translation viewpoint, that strings.inc needs to be reworked anyway.
09:45 cait maybe at hackfest
09:45 cait and it would make a good bug for a beginner
09:45 cait paxed: can you please file a bug? I think just posting here it will get lost
09:38 paxed koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/strings.inc: var REASON_UNKNOWN = _("reason unkown"); typo: "unkown"
08:18 cait hi fridolin :)
08:16 fridolin hie cait good morning
08:09 cait good morning #koha
07:19 wahanui salut, Joubu
07:19 Joubu hello
06:55 fridolin hie all
06:44 reiveune salut dcook
06:43 dcook salut alex_a, reiveune
06:43 alex_a bonjour
06:41 dcook This should've taken maybe an hour..
06:41 dcook I can't believe I've been working on this server all day...
06:41 eythian heh
06:41 dcook eythian: Finally saw the email to the list ;)
06:36 reiveune hello
06:27 eythian there we go, swervers all patched
06:18 cait dcook: have a nice time :)
06:11 dcook Rather excited :D
06:10 eythian nice :)
06:10 dcook eythian: Tomorrow after work :)
06:05 eythian dcook: when do you leave for holiday?
05:53 * dcook glares at Tomcat
05:53 dcook Speaking of slow...
05:52 eythian especially as some of them have slow internet
05:51 dcook Fair 'nuff
05:51 eythian I prefer to wait until after hours to do patching of things
05:50 dcook ?
05:50 eythian hmm, it's after 5:30. Time for some patching to happen.
05:50 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (5:30 PM NZST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
05:50 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:49 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.6°C (7:35 AM CEST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
05:49 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:30 mtj np dcook, i'll try to catch her on irc
05:29 mtj any behaviour other than a default submit, is a good fix
05:27 dcook mtj: Can't find the Nicole bug, but I swear she reported that...
05:26 dcook I guess that might be why
05:26 dcook I was just programming a scanner the other day, and it did have an option of adding a tab instead of a carriage return
05:26 eythian (at least, imo)
05:26 eythian and submit if it's the last field
05:26 eythian well no, it'd make the most sense for it to go to the next field
05:25 mtj yes, scanner could (perhaps) be reprogrammed too
05:25 dcook [off] Man... Tomcat why are you no fun...
05:24 cait and if they use the same barcode type for their items thatis isbn :)
05:24 dcook But yeah. What cait said :)
05:24 mtj agreed dcook
05:24 dcook So I guess it depends on the size of the library and where they do their work..
05:24 dcook cait: You'd probably want to use the carriage return for circulation though
05:24 dcook mtj: Depending on your version, a fix might be as easy as adding "class="noEnterSubmit"" to the input
05:24 cait mtj: could you change the scanner configuration? some can be programmed by barcode type
05:23 cait gmcharlt++
05:23 mtj if there is one screen/form in koha that shouldnt have a default submit, its prolly the cat tool
05:23 gmcharlt http://koha-community.org/koha-community-adopts-code-of-conduct/
05:23 dcook Which prevented submit from a carriage return when using a barcode scanner to enter a patron's barcode in the patron record
05:23 dcook Looks like I applied a different patch
05:22 mtj i was thinking ... just use JS to fix it - but it feels like its a bug to me
05:21 dcook Of course, I could be crazy..
05:21 rangi gmcharlt++
05:21 mtj nice one, dcook
05:20 dcook I just applied that patch a few weeks ago I think
05:20 dcook Mmm, I think Nicole already opened a bug for that
05:20 mtj ..scanner magically sends a return, after the isbn... and form gets accidentally submitted - oops!
05:19 mtj we've got a workflow problem where someone is using a barcode scanner to enter ISBNs , when cataloging
05:19 cait :) hi all :)
05:19 mtj hiya cait
05:17 dcook hey cait
05:17 eythian hi cait
05:17 mtj eythian: i bet you do knwo what i mean :p
05:17 eythian but I'm not sure I know what I think you mean.
05:16 eythian if you mean what I think you mean, most likely a bug.
05:16 dcook default submit button?
05:16 mtj hey #koha, is having a default submit button set for the catalogue tool a feature, or a bug?
05:14 dcook Hmm, I suppose that's possible
05:11 eythian '08 apparently
05:10 dcook 2006-2010 were big metal years pour moi
05:10 dcook It was definitely around 2007 though
05:10 dcook Yeah, I can't remember how I heard about them
05:10 dcook :/
05:10 eythian google music only has one album :/
05:09 eythian I'm surprised I haven't encountered this before.
05:09 eythian heh, every "related artist" is something I have.
05:09 eythian ooh, neat
05:08 * eythian listens
05:06 dcook Unsun, I think
05:06 dcook Hmm, I think they were actually Polish
05:06 eythian dcook: there's also a lot of stuff like that coming out of the Netherlands.
05:05 eythian however, I'd have to patch it out I think.
05:05 dcook hehe
05:05 * dcook is pretty sure he has a note somewhere with their name..
05:05 eythian I was thinking the same :)
05:04 eythian dcook: they are
05:04 * dcook wonders if there is something in the code of conduct about not talking about metal
05:04 gmcharlt http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
05:04 eythian in that general genre
05:04 dcook Aren't they Finnish?
05:04 eythian Nightwish is the most well known, probably
05:04 dcook That's what makes it more difficult to recall who they were
05:04 dcook hehe true
05:04 eythian dcook: there's quite a few in that category
05:03 dcook magnuse: We can talk about other things too :D
05:03 eythian magnuse: later for now :)
05:03 dcook I keep thinking there is another Scandinavian metal band I used to listen to around then that had a similar sound..
05:03 eythian http://youtu.be/dwoeKyqdNyg <-- that's from 2004
05:03 * magnuse wanders off
05:02 eythian that'd be about right
05:02 dcook Looks like they changed singers in 2008, me thinks
05:02 eythian this came out after then, iirc
05:02 dcook Hmm, I have heard this song before though
05:02 dcook I keep thinking that I listened to them a bit in... 2007?
05:01 eythian actually, that youtube track is from their newer, wussier stuff.
05:01 magnuse i know, my bad probably
05:01 dcook hehe
05:01 eythian magnuse: but metal is your country's main export
05:01 dcook The name sounds really familiar
05:00 * magnuse never heard of it
05:00 eythian http://youtu.be/ouZQ7rgAq-I <-- e.g
05:00 eythian Sirenia
04:59 dcook Btw, what was the Norwegian gothic metal, eythian?
04:59 dcook Actually, it's mostly just Tomcat. Bleargh, Tomcat.
04:57 eythian heh
04:57 dcook Cool. I seem to recall a Koha person being a Java fan, and I didn't want to grump around them too much :p.
04:56 eythian I know it, that's as far as I'll commit to
04:56 dcook eythian: Are you a Java fan?
04:54 eythian ah right
04:53 dcook Overfishing the local salmon :(
04:53 eythian I have no experience with them
04:52 dcook They're bad.
04:52 dcook They're not so good
04:52 dcook Well, except Norwegian owned fisheries on the North American west coast
04:52 dcook Pretty much everything Norwegian is just great
04:52 eythian I'll stick with my Norwegian gothic metal for now.
04:49 * dcook goes back to his Norwegian post-rock and refuses to click anymore links or watch any videos.
04:49 * dcook shudders
04:49 dcook Maybe a shower?
04:48 dcook I want to cry but I can't.
04:47 eythian ah yeah, that was terribawesome
04:46 dcook [off] Oh... I would like the last 5 minutes of my life back please: http://io9.com/scorpion-brings-the-stupidest-most-batshit-insane-hack-1638333877
04:10 dcook Seems a bit slow over here at the moment
04:10 dcook Might've been something on my end as well I suppose
04:09 rangi you might have caught it when it was hupping apache
04:07 dcook That's interesting
04:07 dcook now it is
04:07 dcook Or...
04:07 dcook In a browser
04:07 dcook The website won't load though :/
04:07 dcook Hmm, me too
04:06 rangi git fetch just worked for me
04:06 dcook That sounded rude. Sorry. git.koha-community.org appears to be down.
04:06 dcook rangi: By patched, do you mean down?
04:04 rangi our git server is patched
04:02 rangi yep
04:01 eythian oh, also gitweb
04:00 dcook rangi: Nice one with the Redhat link.
04:00 dcook (makes sense)
04:00 eythian but if you're running a git server on it, say...
04:00 dcook Yeah, the Errata blog is interesting. Probably heaps of devices that will never be updated.
04:00 rangi (not even an exageration)
04:00 eythian can also do stuff with SSH, though it's authenticated SSH so not so terrible.
03:59 dcook hehe
03:59 rangi basically unless your machine is not connected to the internet ever .. you should update bash ;)
03:59 rangi The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Client (dhclient) is used to automatically obtain network configuration information via DHCP. This client uses various environment variables and runs Bash to configure the network interface. Connecting to a malicious DHCP server could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on the client machine.
03:59 rangi https://access.redhat.com/articles/1200223
03:58 eythian a DHCP server sends things to the DHCP client. That client does things, and then puts some of those values into envvars and calls a shell script so you can do special things on connect. Then it runs the shell script, which causes the variables to be executed.
03:58 rangi yeah thats just barely scraping the skin of what is vulnerable
03:57 dcook Or accessing a weird URL
03:57 dcook All the tests I see are based on already having shell access
03:56 dcook But how does the attacker inject anything from the start?
03:56 dcook Hmm
03:55 eythian that's thw whole bug :)
03:55 dcook Pays to read the full sentence
03:55 dcook lol
03:55 dcook Sorry
03:55 dcook Ah
03:55 dcook Why can you run arbitrary code as root?
03:55 eythian and it'd be mine because once I can run arbitrary code on it as root, which I could do through dhclient, then you can't tell what I've done to it.
03:55 dcook I've heard that about the VPN
03:54 eythian a VPN would do even better
03:54 eythian SSL would protect you, mostly
03:53 dcook Why would you say that the laptop is "mine now"?
03:53 dcook But that's another thing
03:53 dcook I suppose the dummy could pretend to be the end site though, yeah?
03:53 * dcook needs to do more study
03:52 dcook I've been wondering if you'd still be safe if you were using SSL..
03:52 dcook If you connect to a dummy AP, then everything you do is proxied through that dummy, yeah?
03:52 dcook I've been pondering that one for a while though
03:52 dcook Well, screwed is relative
03:51 eythian otherwise you could never use wifi at all
03:51 eythian not necessarily
03:49 dcook Mind you, if you do that in general, you're sort of screwed, no?
03:48 dcook Mmm, I thought that might be it, but only because it reminded me of APN
03:48 eythian wireless access point
03:48 dcook AP?
03:47 eythian e.g. if I set up a dummy AP that your laptop connects to, it's mine now.
03:47 dcook Totes
03:47 eythian there'll be many subtle, unexpected places it can be exploited through
03:47 eythian well
03:46 dcook (depending on how you've set up your system)
03:46 dcook Although not as nasty as some articles make it sound
03:46 dcook Sounds nasty
03:45 eythian our sysadmins have been busily patching for much of the day
03:45 eythian ah right :)
03:44 dcook So nope :)
03:44 dcook Ahh. Still on digests for that one. I only get the devel ones individually.
03:44 wahanui koha list is not hosted by biblibre
03:44 eythian koha list
03:44 dcook eythian: which list?
03:43 eythian I hadn't seen the second one though
03:43 dcook Hmm, I hadn't seen one from you.
03:43 jcamins Yes, it's real.
03:43 eythian dcook: did you even read my email to the list? ;)
03:41 dcook Or this one? http://blogs.mcafee.com/executive-perspectives/need-know-berserk-mozilla
03:41 dcook Hmm, interesting. Anyone else heard this one? http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/shell-shock-bash-bug-labelled-largest-ever-to-hit-the-internet-20140925-10ltx1.html
01:14 wizzyrea felt a bit warmer than that.
01:14 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
01:14 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn