Time  Nick        Message
01:14 wizzyrea    @wunder nzwn
01:14 huginn      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
01:14 wizzyrea    felt a bit warmer than that.
03:41 dcook       Hmm, interesting. Anyone else heard this one? http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/shell-shock-bash-bug-labelled-largest-ever-to-hit-the-internet-20140925-10ltx1.html
03:41 dcook       Or this one? http://blogs.mcafee.com/executive-perspectives/need-know-berserk-mozilla
03:43 eythian     dcook: did you even read my email to the list? ;)
03:43 jcamins     Yes, it's real.
03:43 dcook       Hmm, I hadn't seen one from you.
03:43 eythian     I hadn't seen the second one though
03:44 dcook       eythian: which list?
03:44 eythian     koha list
03:44 wahanui     koha list is not hosted by biblibre
03:44 dcook       Ahh. Still on digests for that one. I only get the devel ones individually.
03:44 dcook       So nope :)
03:45 eythian     ah right :)
03:45 eythian     our sysadmins have been busily patching for much of the day
03:46 dcook       Sounds nasty
03:46 dcook       Although not as nasty as some articles make it sound
03:46 dcook       (depending on how you've set up your system)
03:47 eythian     well
03:47 eythian     there'll be many subtle, unexpected places it can be exploited through
03:47 dcook       Totes
03:47 eythian     e.g. if I set up a dummy AP that your laptop connects to, it's mine now.
03:48 dcook       AP?
03:48 eythian     wireless access point
03:48 dcook       Mmm, I thought that might be it, but only because it reminded me of APN
03:49 dcook       Mind you, if you do that in general, you're sort of screwed, no?
03:51 eythian     not necessarily
03:51 eythian     otherwise you could never use wifi at all
03:52 dcook       Well, screwed is relative
03:52 dcook       I've been pondering that one for a while though
03:52 dcook       If you connect to a dummy AP, then everything you do is proxied through that dummy, yeah?
03:52 dcook       I've been wondering if you'd still be safe if you were using SSL..
03:53 * dcook     needs to do more study
03:53 dcook       I suppose the dummy could pretend to be the end site though, yeah?
03:53 dcook       But that's another thing
03:53 dcook       Why would you say that the laptop is "mine now"?
03:54 eythian     SSL would protect you, mostly
03:54 eythian     a VPN would do even better
03:55 dcook       I've heard that about the VPN
03:55 eythian     and it'd be mine because once I can run arbitrary code on it as root, which I could do through dhclient, then you can't tell what I've done to it.
03:55 dcook       Why can  you run arbitrary code as root?
03:55 dcook       Ah
03:55 dcook       Sorry
03:55 dcook       lol
03:55 dcook       Pays to read the full sentence
03:55 eythian     that's thw whole bug :)
03:56 dcook       Hmm
03:56 dcook       But how does the attacker inject anything from the start?
03:57 dcook       All the tests I see are based on already having shell access
03:57 dcook       Or accessing a weird URL
03:58 rangi       yeah thats just barely scraping the skin of what is vulnerable
03:58 eythian     a DHCP server sends things to the DHCP client. That client does things, and then puts some of those values into envvars and calls a shell script so you can do special things on connect. Then it runs the shell script, which causes the variables to be executed.
03:59 rangi       https://access.redhat.com/articles/1200223
03:59 rangi       The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Client (dhclient) is used to automatically obtain network configuration information via DHCP. This client uses various environment variables and runs Bash to configure the network interface. Connecting to a malicious DHCP server could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on the client machine.
03:59 rangi       basically unless your machine is not connected to the internet ever .. you should update bash ;)
03:59 dcook       hehe
04:00 eythian     can also do stuff with SSH, though it's authenticated SSH so not so terrible.
04:00 rangi       (not even an exageration)
04:00 dcook       Yeah, the Errata blog is interesting. Probably heaps of devices that will never be updated.
04:00 eythian     but if you're running a git server on it, say...
04:00 dcook       (makes sense)
04:00 dcook       rangi: Nice one with the Redhat link.
04:01 eythian     oh, also gitweb
04:02 rangi       yep
04:04 rangi       our git server is patched
04:06 dcook       rangi: By patched, do you mean down?
04:06 dcook       That sounded rude. Sorry. git.koha-community.org appears to be down.
04:06 rangi       git fetch just worked for me
04:07 dcook       Hmm, me too
04:07 dcook       The website won't load though :/
04:07 dcook       In a browser
04:07 dcook       Or...
04:07 dcook       now it is
04:07 dcook       That's interesting
04:09 rangi       you might have caught it when it was hupping apache
04:10 dcook       Might've been something on my end as well I suppose
04:10 dcook       Seems a bit slow over here at the moment
04:46 dcook       [off] Oh... I would like the last 5 minutes of my life back please: http://io9.com/scorpion-brings-the-stupidest-most-batshit-insane-hack-1638333877
04:47 eythian     ah yeah, that was terribawesome
04:48 dcook       I want to cry but I can't.
04:49 dcook       Maybe a shower?
04:49 * dcook     shudders
04:49 * dcook     goes back to his Norwegian post-rock and refuses to click anymore links or watch any videos.
04:52 eythian     I'll stick with my Norwegian gothic metal for now.
04:52 dcook       Pretty much everything Norwegian is just great
04:52 dcook       Well, except Norwegian owned fisheries on the North American west coast
04:52 dcook       They're not so good
04:52 dcook       They're bad.
04:53 eythian     I have no experience with them
04:53 dcook       Overfishing the local salmon :(
04:54 eythian     ah right
04:56 dcook       eythian: Are you a Java fan?
04:56 eythian     I know it, that's as far as I'll commit to
04:57 dcook       Cool. I seem to recall a Koha person being a Java fan, and I didn't want to grump around them too much :p.
04:57 eythian     heh
04:59 dcook       Actually, it's mostly just Tomcat. Bleargh, Tomcat.
04:59 dcook       Btw, what was the Norwegian gothic metal, eythian?
05:00 eythian     Sirenia
05:00 eythian     http://youtu.be/ouZQ7rgAq-I <-- e.g
05:00 * magnuse   never heard of it
05:01 dcook       The name sounds really familiar
05:01 eythian     magnuse: but metal is your country's main export
05:01 dcook       hehe
05:01 magnuse     i know, my bad probably
05:01 eythian     actually, that youtube track is from their newer, wussier stuff.
05:02 dcook       I keep thinking that I listened to them a bit in... 2007?
05:02 dcook       Hmm, I have heard this song before though
05:02 eythian     this came out after then, iirc
05:02 dcook       Looks like they changed singers in 2008, me thinks
05:02 eythian     that'd be about right
05:03 * magnuse   wanders off
05:03 eythian     http://youtu.be/dwoeKyqdNyg <-- that's from 2004
05:03 dcook       I keep thinking there is another Scandinavian metal band I used to listen to around then that had a similar sound..
05:03 eythian     magnuse: later for now :)
05:03 dcook       magnuse: We can talk about other things too :D
05:04 eythian     dcook: there's quite a few in that category
05:04 dcook       hehe true
05:04 dcook       That's what makes it more difficult to recall who they were
05:04 eythian     Nightwish is the most well known, probably
05:04 dcook       Aren't they Finnish?
05:04 eythian     in that general genre
05:04 gmcharlt    http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/
05:04 * dcook     wonders if there is something in the code of conduct about not talking about metal
05:04 eythian     dcook: they are
05:05 eythian     I was thinking the same :)
05:05 * dcook     is pretty sure he has a note somewhere with their name..
05:05 dcook       hehe
05:05 eythian     however, I'd have to patch it out I think.
05:06 eythian     dcook: there's also a lot of stuff like that coming out of the Netherlands.
05:06 dcook       Hmm, I think they were actually Polish
05:06 dcook       Unsun, I think
05:08 * eythian   listens
05:09 eythian     ooh, neat
05:09 eythian     heh, every "related artist" is something I have.
05:09 eythian     I'm surprised I haven't encountered this before.
05:10 eythian     google music only has one album :/
05:10 dcook       :/
05:10 dcook       Yeah, I can't remember how I heard about them
05:10 dcook       It was definitely around 2007 though
05:10 dcook       2006-2010 were big metal years pour moi
05:11 eythian     '08 apparently
05:14 dcook       Hmm, I suppose that's possible
05:16 mtj         hey #koha, is having a default submit button set for the catalogue tool a feature, or a bug?
05:16 dcook       default submit button?
05:16 eythian     if you mean what I think you mean, most likely a bug.
05:17 eythian     but I'm not sure I know what I think you mean.
05:17 mtj         eythian:  i bet you do knwo what i mean :p
05:17 eythian     hi cait
05:17 dcook       hey cait
05:19 mtj         hiya cait
05:19 cait        :) hi all :)
05:19 mtj         we've got a workflow problem where someone is using a barcode scanner to enter ISBNs , when cataloging
05:20 mtj         ..scanner magically sends a return, after the isbn... and form gets accidentally submitted  - oops!
05:20 dcook       Mmm, I think Nicole already opened a bug for that
05:20 dcook       I just applied that patch a few weeks ago I think
05:21 mtj         nice one, dcook
05:21 rangi       gmcharlt++
05:21 dcook       Of course, I could be crazy..
05:22 mtj         i was thinking ... just use JS to fix it - but it feels like its a bug to me
05:23 dcook       Looks like I applied a different patch
05:23 dcook       Which prevented submit from a carriage return when using a barcode scanner to enter a patron's barcode in the patron record
05:23 gmcharlt    http://koha-community.org/koha-community-adopts-code-of-conduct/
05:23 mtj         if there is one screen/form in koha that shouldnt have a default submit, its prolly the cat tool
05:23 cait        gmcharlt++
05:24 cait        mtj: could you change the scanner configuration? some can be programmed by barcode type
05:24 dcook       mtj: Depending on your version, a fix might be as easy as adding "class="noEnterSubmit"" to the input
05:24 dcook       cait: You'd probably want to use the carriage return for circulation though
05:24 dcook       So I guess it depends on the size of the library and where they do their work..
05:24 mtj         agreed dcook
05:24 dcook       But yeah. What cait said :)
05:24 cait        and if they use the same barcode type for their items thatis isbn :)
05:25 dcook       [off] Man... Tomcat why are you no fun...
05:25 mtj         yes, scanner could (perhaps) be reprogrammed too
05:26 eythian     well no, it'd make the most sense for it to go to the next field
05:26 eythian     and submit if it's the last field
05:26 eythian     (at least, imo)
05:26 dcook       I was just programming a scanner the other day, and it did have an option of adding a tab instead of a carriage return
05:26 dcook       I guess that might be why
05:27 dcook       mtj: Can't find the Nicole bug, but I swear she reported that...
05:29 mtj         any behaviour other than a default submit, is a good fix
05:30 mtj         np dcook,  i'll try to catch her on irc
05:49 cait        @wunder Konstanz
05:49 huginn      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.6°C (7:35 AM CEST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
05:50 eythian     @wunder nzwn
05:50 huginn      eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (5:30 PM NZST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
05:50 eythian     hmm, it's after 5:30. Time for some patching to happen.
05:50 dcook       ?
05:51 eythian     I prefer to wait until after hours to do patching of things
05:51 dcook       Fair 'nuff
05:52 eythian     especially as some of them have slow internet
05:53 dcook       Speaking of slow...
05:53 * dcook     glares at Tomcat
06:05 eythian     dcook: when do you leave for holiday?
06:10 dcook       eythian: Tomorrow after work :)
06:10 eythian     nice :)
06:11 dcook       Rather excited :D
06:18 cait        dcook: have a nice time :)
06:27 eythian     there we go, swervers all patched
06:36 reiveune    hello
06:41 dcook       eythian: Finally saw the email to the list ;)
06:41 eythian     heh
06:41 dcook       I can't believe I've been working on this server all day...
06:41 dcook       This should've taken maybe an hour..
06:43 alex_a      bonjour
06:43 dcook       salut alex_a, reiveune
06:44 reiveune    salut dcook
06:55 fridolin    hie all
07:19 Joubu       hello
07:19 wahanui     salut, Joubu
08:09 cait        good morning #koha
08:16 fridolin    hie cait good morning
08:18 cait        hi fridolin :)
09:38 paxed       koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/strings.inc:    var REASON_UNKNOWN = _("reason unkown");    typo: "unkown"
09:45 cait        paxed: can you please file a bug?  I think just posting here it will get lost
09:45 cait        and it would make a good bug for a beginner
09:45 cait        maybe at hackfest
09:47 paxed       from a translation viewpoint, that strings.inc needs to be reworked anyway.
11:25 Andy        Hi there
11:25 wahanui     hi, Andy
11:25 Andy        I need help
11:25 Andy        I am making patrons
11:25 Andy        (students)
11:25 Andy        but when I try to login using the ID and password
11:25 Andy        I get this Error: You do not have permission to access this page.
11:26 Andy        I get it. It's the permission issue but I have given the circulation permission to this user, but still I am getting this error
11:27 Andy        Anybody there?
11:48 chris_n     mtj: ping
11:52 oleonard    Hi #koha
11:53 chris_n     Andy: try giving your user borrowers permissions
11:53 chris_n     heya oleonard
11:53 wahanui     oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
11:57 Andy        @chris: It only worked after adding:  catalogue Required for staff login. Staff access, allows viewing of catalogue in staff client.
11:57 huginn      Andy: downloading the Perl source
11:58 Andy        Is this okay?
11:58 Andy        My question is for a question what are the basic permissions we should give? Koha sucks if there is no permission list for students.
12:03 chris_n     Andy: expressing opinions such as "Koha sucks" will probably not encourage the folks here to be of much help. But maybe you should have a look around the FAQ on the website: specifically this one: http://tinyurl.com/lvfna3j
12:04 jcamins     Andy: if you are giving your students access to the staff client, then yes, you will need to follow the instructions that say to give your staff catalogue and staff_access permissions.
12:05 Andy        for students, I just want them to check out/check in books and nothing else
12:05 Andy        but when I give them only check out and check in permission the system won't let me sign in
12:06 cait        Joubu: shoudl 11876 be pqa or do you want someone to take a look at the follwo up?
12:07 chris_n     Andy: http://tinyurl.com/mjo2tec
12:07 Joubu       cait: I wait for an answer from Maxime
12:08 Andy        chris_n this is self checkout
12:08 Joubu       cait: I let a note ;)
12:09 cait        Andy for self checkout you need  staff user to login with, the students need no permissions
12:09 oleonard    Oh jeeze you guys I just realized Koha sucks. I'm outta here.
12:10 cait        Joubu: saw your comment just now sorry
13:42 Shane-S     Has anyone added Kindle's into their systems? I am thinking of doing that so I can check-out and check-in borrowed kindles.
13:44 oleonard    Shane-S: We have added other equipment, like laptops and bicycles.
13:48 oleonard    http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=324410
13:48 oleonard    http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=289796
13:58 Shane-S     hmm...i guess now the question is...since I don't mess with Koha much (I just got it running), can I set-up special checkout rules separate from normal library media rules?
13:59 oleonard    Shane-S: Yes. Assign those items a different item type and create a separate circulation rule for that item type.
14:00 Shane-S     oleonard: ty, I will go play!
14:04 Shane-S     seperate question i used packages...can I get from 3.12 to 3.16 easily (I wanted to do it this summer, but it got shelved for about 30 other projects)
14:04 Shane-S     Likely a Winter Break project now
14:19 Shane-S     oleonard: will having this rule allow 3 checkout total (2 anything, 1 tablet) or will it only allow 2 max (1 anything, 1 tablet)....
14:20 Shane-S     oleonard:  tablet (item type) current checkouts: 1 load period: 7    ; all (item type) current checkout: 2 load period: 7
14:21 oleonard    I don't know Shane-S
14:21 oleonard    Give it a try
14:36 druthb      wahanui:  botsnack cookie
14:36 wahanui     thanks druthb :)
14:54 Shane-S     oleonard: what MARC framework did you use for the laptops?
14:55 oleonard    Probably the default. You can look at the links above and download the MARC record if you're curious how our catalogers did it.
14:56 Shane-S     okay, I was just curious if they made a new one....but this looks way over my head (understanding all the codes).
14:57 oleonard    Actually Shane-S now that I think about it they probably composed the records outside of Koha and imported it
15:01 Shane-S     I just made a new type based on the default and I am removing some obvious stuff that is useless..like bibliographic fields
15:04 oleonard    Shane-S: Why are you creating a new framework?
15:05 Shane-S     I though I would need to, since it is an electronic device and many fields are not needed, like bibliographic and library of congress type of things
15:07 jcamins     Shane-S: how many electronic devices do you plan on cataloging?
15:07 oleonard    Shane-S: I would only create a new framework if it helps with the workflow of frequently adding items of that type
15:08 Shane-S     oh...right now at most 20
15:08 oleonard    Shane-S: The other reason might be if the default framework had *required* fields you didn't want to populate.
15:08 jcamins     (and if you are cataloging enough to justify a new framework, please feel free to send me some of the devices you're deaccessioning:)
15:08 Shane-S     however, when we go 1 to 1, I am thinking Koha would be great to "sign out" student chromebooks for the year
15:09 jcamins     Shane-S: you're likely to spend more time making a framework than you would cataloging items, I'd think.
15:09 jcamins     If you have, e.g., 20 iPads, you'd still only want one record so that people could figure out what to place a hold on.
15:09 Shane-S     yeah, I am seeing this as I go through the fields...I notice many say [Obsolete]
15:10 Shane-S     oh GTG, 3 pallets just came in...be back
15:10 * oleonard  thinks 3 pallets? That's a lot of Kindles
15:32 reiveune    bye
16:52 indradg     @seen Joubu
16:52 huginn      indradg: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Joubu> cait: I let a note ;)
16:53 indradg     Joubu: around?
16:54 * Oak       waves
16:54 rambutan    hey Oak
16:55 Oak         hello rambutan !
16:55 Oak         magnuse
16:55 * indradg   waves
17:12 magnuse     Oak
17:14 Oak         \o/
18:36 oleonard    Ugh. Bug 6279.
18:36 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6279 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Can't delete lists from the second page of lists in the OPAC
18:37 oleonard    The latest patch is an improvement, but not a complete fix.
18:37 oleonard    ...and everyone that looks at the code says "Wow this code really should be re-written!"
18:38 oleonard    Who wants to re-write the lists feature from scratch? Anyone?
18:38 oleonard    It's all just a big database! ;)
18:39 cait        heh
18:39 cait        with insane rules...
18:40 magnuse     how hard can it be?
18:42 cait        :)
21:03 wizzyrea    oh you guys.
21:12 cait        hm?
21:12 * wnickc    waves so as not to disturb the silence
21:13 wizzyrea    naw, make a big noise!
21:13 wizzyrea    Hello #koha!
21:14 wizzyrea    it's a beautiful day, the world still turns, and making library software is awesome!
21:14 bgkriegel_  Hi wizzyrea :)
21:14 wizzyrea    ...and I don't even owe the awesome jar
21:14 wizzyrea    see, a happy day.
21:15 wnickc      :-)
21:16 wnickc      It is at that
21:19 bgkriegel_  cait?
21:19 wahanui     i think cait is just silly on a train again
21:19 wizzyrea    hehe
21:19 wizzyrea    wizzyrea?
21:19 wahanui     you are a Cylon, and they all have plans.
21:19 * wizzyrea  nods
21:26 jmsasse     wnickc: what's happening, bro?
21:28 cait        here :)
21:29 wnickc      Hi jmsasse
21:31 wnickc      not too much going on ehre, looking forward to a long weekend
21:31 wnickc      how are you?
21:32 jmsasse     Ready for a looonnggg weekend but don't have one coming.
21:36 jmsasse     I'm off to a Plum  Creek 40th anniversary thing tonight.
21:37 jmsasse     Later.
21:42 wnickc      bye #koha, have a good weekend!
21:42 wizzyrea    oh that latest email to the list... buuuurn.
22:06 rangi       and upgraded bash again
22:07 wizzyrea    oh is it out now?
22:07 rangi       seems to be
22:07 rangi       and the search email?
22:08 wizzyrea    yeah
22:08 wizzyrea    ah yep so it is
22:08 wizzyrea    koha-community.org update
22:08 wizzyrea    d*
22:08 rangi       i just did git, doing bugs now
22:09 wizzyrea    funny because I checked about 40 minutes ago and it wasn't there
22:10 tcohen      hi rangi wizzyrea
22:10 wizzyrea    hi tcohen :)
22:10 cait        hi tcohen
22:10 wizzyrea    hi cait :)
22:10 tcohen      hicait
22:10 cait        hi wizzyrea
22:11 rangi       hi tcohen
22:16 wizzyrea    debian anyway, ubuntu is "not yet"
22:16 wizzyrea    HOPEFULLY SOON JEEZ
22:17 tcohen      ubuntu upgraded bash today
22:17 tcohen      is there a new patch?
22:17 wizzyrea    yeah another
22:17 wizzyrea    for more similar problems
22:18 wizzyrea    more, similar, problems.
22:21 wizzyrea    I wonder if the librarians at that library are using a different default search, or changing the search to one that doesn't work. It does seem unusual that it wouldn't come up with a barcode
22:21 wizzyrea    for example: if you put a barcode into a title search, it wouldn't come up with the item.
22:24 rangi       true
22:28 eythian     hi
22:28 wahanui     hi, eythian
22:40 tcohen      hi eythian
23:21 bgkriegel_  cait, still around?
23:29 bgkriegel_  @later tell cait master DE staff, Administration > Systemparameter > Kataloganreicherung, Alle section, there is an untranslated "NOTE: you can...". Do we have a bug number for this?
23:29 huginn      bgkriegel_: The operation succeeded.
23:30 cait        hi bgkriegel :)
23:30 cait        i am not aware of a bug for it
23:32 tcohen      bgkriegel_: are the new guided reports strings appearing? (master)
23:35 eythian     cait: go to bed
23:35 cait        :)
23:35 eythian     also, hi :)
23:35 cait        hi there
23:35 cait        oh
23:35 tcohen      ?
23:36 cait        wizzyrea: do you remember that thing we had on the website for bit? it gave you 2 bugs and you picked the more important one
23:36 cait        i am not sure it was officially there, but i am trying to find out what that was :)
23:36 tcohen      cait is trying to adjust to Argentina's tz, to avoid jetlag
23:36 cait        yep
23:36 tcohen      :-P
23:37 wizzyrea    yes, I do and I do not remember what it was...
23:37 cait        ah :(
23:38 wizzyrea    buuuuuuut I might have IRC logs from when we talked about it :P
23:39 cait        :)
23:39 wizzyrea    I do remember this
23:39 wizzyrea    rangi might remember too I thought he set it up
23:40 wizzyrea    some weird web service.
23:40 rangi       nope
23:40 cait        rangi? :)
23:40 rangi       no idea
23:40 cait        lol
23:40 cait        it was cool!
23:40 cait        how can you forget that :)
23:41 rangi       there is ideaforge now
23:42 rangi       hmm no, thats not what i was thinking of
23:43 cait        it got data out of bugzilla
23:43 rangi       ideatorrent
23:43 rangi       hmm bountysource gets ideas out of bugzilla
23:43 cait        it was kind of a ranking thing
23:43 wizzyrea    yeah that was a different thing
23:43 cait        you picked one out of 2
23:43 cait        and it ranked
23:43 rangi       https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/367557-koha
23:44 rangi       nope cant rememeber
23:44 cait        lol
23:44 cait        i think it was blue :P
23:44 wizzyrea    http://ideaforge.io/about/
23:45 wizzyrea    ... but i'm sorry I really don't know
23:45 wizzyrea    ooh but I just thought of somewhere to look.
23:45 rangi       yeah thats from aimee who is cool and eythian's friend
23:58 bgkriegel__ my nick is getting longer
23:58 bgkriegel__ tcohen: which strings?