Time  Nick       Message
23:30 huginn     eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
23:30 eythian    @wunder nzwn
23:20 huginn     mtj: The operation succeeded.
23:20 mtj        @later tell chris_n can you give me a ping :)
23:20 huginn     mtj: downloading the Perl source
23:20 mtj        @later chris_n can you give me a ping :)
23:19 mtj        hey chris_n, about?
23:19 dcook      Thanks :)
23:18 dcook      Late late honeymoon
23:18 tcohen     dcook: take care! and enjoy it a lot!
23:18 dcook      Should be :)
23:18 mtj        sounds like an amazing holiday dcook
23:18 dcook      So if I fall over the edge, know that you've all meant so much to me ^_^
23:18 dcook      The one is pretty cool. Italian cliffside with absolutely no safety rail to the side. Just death below.
23:17 dcook      And there are at least two walks over 10km
23:17 dcook      28 days and we're not staying anywhere longer than 2-3 days at a time
23:17 dcook      I think I'll be so busy running around :p
23:16 tcohen     hopefuly!
23:16 dcook      I'm sure I'll think of you all, but hopefully not too much ;)
23:15 dcook      hehe
23:15 wizzyrea   yeah, have fun, don't forget us. ^.^
23:15 dcook      Thanks :)
23:15 tcohen     have a nice holiday!
23:15 tcohen     hey dcook
23:15 dcook      hey tcohen :)
23:14 huginn     dcook: The current temperature in Kalamaki - AirMar, Alimos, Greece is 22.7°C (2:10 AM EEST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
23:14 dcook      @wunder athens, greece
23:14 huginn     dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (9:00 AM AEST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
23:14 dcook      @wunder syd
22:40 huginn     tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 19.1°C (7:35 PM ART on September 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
22:40 tcohen     @wunder cordoba, argentina
22:27 huginn     indradg: The operation succeeded.
22:27 indradg    @later tell magnuse I have to some work on 1.2.2 i made some mess there... i think
22:26 huginn     indradg: magnuse was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <magnuse> have fun #koha!
22:26 indradg    @seen magnuse
22:18 wahanui    bidet, tcohen
22:18 tcohen     hola wahanui
22:18 wahanui    hello, tcohen
22:18 tcohen     hi
21:35 wizzyrea   I think we have a library running plugins in 3.16
21:18 cait       night magnuse :)
21:18 magnuse    have fun #koha!
21:18 magnuse    oh well, i'll try and report a bug as soon as i can, need some sleep now
21:17 magnuse    cait: gah, lazy bywaterians ;-)
21:17 magnuse    and the plugin does not show as installed, even if there are files added to the plugins dir
21:16 cait       magnuse: at the staff retreat i think
21:16 magnuse    ping khall?
21:16 magnuse    plugins-upload.pl: Use of uninitialized value $op in string eq at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/plugins/plugins-upload.pl line 91., referer: http://example.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/plugins/plugins-home.pl
21:16 magnuse    plugins-upload.pl: Use of uninitialized value $op in string eq at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/plugins/plugins-upload.pl line 57., referer: http://example.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/plugins/plugins-home.pl
21:16 magnuse    i get a couple of errors in the logs:
21:14 cait       although i'd really want to for some things
21:13 cait       not done much with plugins yet
21:13 magnuse    anyone tried installing plugins on 3.16.x? specifically https://github.com/l2c2technologies/KohaCMS/releases/tag/1.2.2
21:10 magnuse    kia ora wizzyrea
21:09 cait       morning wizzyrea
21:09 wizzyrea   morning
20:26 JesseM     :)
20:26 cait       :)
20:26 wahanui    i already had it that way, huginn.
20:26 huginn     JesseM: A series statement for which no series added entry is traced or for which the added entry is traced in one of the 800-830 fields in a form different from the form contained in field 490. (Repeatable) [a,l,v,x,6,8]
20:26 JesseM     @marc 490
20:26 huginn     JesseM: A series added entry consisting of a series title alone. (Repeatable) [a,d,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,v,6,8]
20:26 JesseM     @marc 830
20:25 wnickc     maybe smarch isn't a bad idea
20:25 gmcharlt   a few more weeks in the year...
20:22 cait       yeah... and more hours in a day too :)
20:21 wnickc     could use a few extra days in the week :)
20:21 cait       very happy to have you around :) wnickc++
20:21 wnickc     I totally understand, trying to chip away at the signoff queue too, but it is outpacing efforts
20:20 cait       but i hope we can have a good hackfest in argentina - getting things moving a bit again
20:20 cait       i am sorry things are wiating so long :( time is always the problem
20:20 cait       i understand
20:19 wnickc     thanks cait, this is one we have been anxiously awaiting so I may be a bit eager :)
20:17 cait       wnickc: i will see it on the list, but feel free to remind me sometime next week :)
20:16 wnickc     I can let you know if/when it is rebased
20:15 wnickc     ah, yes, that rings familiar
20:14 cait       i think there is a staff retreat going on now at bywater
20:13 wnickc     if he is able
20:13 wnickc     and now I will ask khall to rebase it too
20:12 cait       i'd love to see the list empty before 3.18 release, hope we can get close to that
20:12 wnickc     grateful for the consideration either way
20:12 cait       but i'll try
20:11 cait       no guarantees yet
20:11 wnickc     cait that would be incredible, I would owe you many
20:10 cait       wnickc: maybe i can next week
19:59 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item
19:59 wnickc     could I interest any QAer in looking at bug 9011?
19:36 wnickc     there are commands to create/delete instances
19:36 wahanui    They have man pages, and you can look here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
19:36 wnickc     package commands?
19:35 test       can you direct me on how to setup/reinitialize a koha instance?
19:32 test       koha-list returns empty/null
19:31 test       i believe i did fix them but subsequently could remessup
19:30 test       i did see a wiki item for fixing the various directories will try attend to them in a bit
19:30 test       rebuild_zebra.pl i might have ran
19:29 jcamins    *But* if you ran rebuild_zebra.pl, your file ownership is going to be all screwed up, and it will be painful.
19:29 jcamins    koha-list will list your instances.
19:29 jcamins    Yeah, you need to know your instance name. It's what you used for koha-create.
19:29 test       is there a way to get the current instance?
19:29 test       now that you mention instancename, i think i tried that but it failed on instance name...i dont remember actually setting an instance name and somehow i believe that where the problem might be
19:28 jcamins    Good luck.
19:27 jcamins    However, I need to get back to work.
19:27 jcamins    If you ran rebuild_zebra.pl manually once on a package install, that almost invariably results in breaking indexing.
19:27 test       as in there exist over 300+ items added from z3950 but they dont show eithr in the staff or opac interfaces
19:27 jcamins    Right, with packages you reindex using `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f myinstance` not rebuild_zebra.pl.
19:26 test       the package install loads the web interface quite well but somehow indexing failing
19:25 test       i have two installs one strictly source and the other strickly package
19:21 jcamins    Your best bet is following the package instructions with packages. Following source instructions (this is what's in the INSTALL files, I think) and installing from the packages will break search 100% of the time.
19:21 test       far back as 3.8 i believe
19:20 test       i had ssetup koha many times before sucessfully from source
19:20 test       actually i used the info in on of the install files..
19:19 jcamins    You found instructions for setting up Koha somewhere else, didn't you?
19:18 test       tried endlessly to do the fast index and the other suggested options for the indexing deamon but that yield no results
19:17 test       i did that too on a different vm but somehow im not having any luck with getting my items shown in the opac or in the staff section
19:16 jcamins    ^^ equally applicable to Ubuntu.
19:16 wahanui    packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
19:16 jcamins    packages?
19:16 jcamins    And I'd follow the instructions.
19:16 jcamins    Yeah, were I you, I would've used the packages. It's straightforward to upgrade an Apache 2.2 configuration file to an Apache 2.4 configuration file.
19:15 test       point to note im using 14.04ltsfd"
19:14 test       point to note im using 14.04lts
19:14 test       hmm ...
19:13 jcamins    test: your web server is configured incorrectly, but I can't help you with figuring out how. This is why I always tell everyone to use the Debian packages.
19:12 wnickc     I wish I could help, but that is beyond my knowledge
19:09 test       hi all just installed koha from source but the web installer serving a perl file instead of the expected webpage can anyone point me to a solution
19:03 wahanui    any ideas are welcome :)
19:03 test       any ideas?
19:03 test       hey guys i just did a source install of 3.16.3.    whenever i go the the web interface it returns a perl file instead of the expected page
19:00 cait       hi wnickc :)
18:59 oleonard   By #koha
18:51 wnickc     hi cait
18:47 * cait     waves
18:47 oleonard   Thanks for testing wnickc
18:45 wnickc     sorry about that, monitor settings fixed it a bit, my problem though, not yours
18:44 oleonard   Examining the styles on each page shows that they are the same color
18:43 wnickc     they are all highlighted, I will sign off soon
18:42 wnickc     but I think it just might be me, something about the page setup
18:42 wnickc     authority types seems much clearer to me than circ rules
18:40 oleonard   wnickc: Can you give me examples of both?
18:38 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2889 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , templates should use  [% IF ( loop.odd ) %]
18:38 wnickc     for bug 2889
18:38 wnickc     I think it was my monitor/eyes. even after adjusting my settings some are much more apparent to me than others
18:37 wnickc     oleonard:  is there any possibility some row highlightings are darker than others?
18:19 tcohen     heh
18:19 tcohen     *needs
18:19 * tcohen   is excited, wants kohacon to happen right now
16:46 gmcharlt   remote exploit in bash - https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00220.html
16:10 cait       oleonard: i am carefully optimistic :)
16:07 oleonard   And yeah, no translatable string is involved, just template tags
16:06 oleonard   It's been that way in memberentrygen.tt for ages so I would assume it's okay. It just seemed strange.
16:04 cait       you'd want to check how it shows up for translators (if at all because it doesn't seem to have a string) and then if it gets translated properly
16:04 cait       oleonard: i am nt sure actually - i'd have to run the po files :(
16:02 pastebot   "oleonard" at pasted "Question about embedding [% IF %] in HTML tags" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/227
15:59 cait       tcohen++
15:58 cait       :)
15:58 tcohen     still have more tha na week :-D
15:58 gmcharlt   tcohen: I will - some time this afternoon
15:56 tcohen     bye Joubu
15:56 tcohen     gmcharlt: please let us know as soon as the CoC is ready. We'd like to publish it
15:44 Joubu      bye #koha
15:40 * thd      returns to fixing his neighbour's apartment.
15:37 thd        Minor differences to what I posted on the mailing list are shortening the ugly verbosity for "24 hours" to "24 hours" and correcting a spelling error.
15:36 thd        I hope, I actually did what I had intended.
15:35 gmcharlt   no worries, I'll fix that up
15:35 thd        gmcharlt I note a peculuar markdown presentation error on the last line where I have tried to escape an apostrophe.
15:32 thd        I have learnt my lesson that truth which is a perfect defence against defamation in the US does not apply to contempt of court.
15:30 thd        My alleged offence could only have imposed a fine.  Hence, I am very sensitive about potential abuses of procedure.
15:29 thd        s/judge/magistrate/
15:28 thd        However, I spent a week in gaol for contempt of court in Newark, NJ after asking a court officer in the corridor why the judge was an hour and a half late every time when I had to appear for using the wrong transit ticket on what was a local light rail system.
15:26 * druthb   wanders off to her daily scrum
15:25 tcohen     gmcharlt++
15:25 thd        Argentina is not one of the countries where I would worry about abuse.
15:25 thd        OK
15:25 gmcharlt   it's understood that amendments will happen
15:25 gmcharlt   thd: right - I'm going to put up the change, and request approval on the mailing list for the change now that the draft CoC has been accepted
15:24 thd        gmcharlt: I have sent a patch for the code of conduct both via email and on github
15:24 druthb     For some reason in my head, I thought that had been settled a long time ago.  I can't imagine why anyone would want to hold that process up.  Glad the ball got moved down the field, then.
15:23 thd        I had the time wrong.
15:23 thd        gmcharlt: Apparently. we both missed the meeting.
15:23 druthb     Ah.  Definitely, then.
15:22 gmcharlt   druthb: cait running with the CoC ball this morning
15:22 druthb     cait++
15:22 druthb     Oh, right.
15:21 cait       druthb: since when do you need a reason? ;)
15:19 tcohen     morning
15:19 tcohen     hi
15:19 Joubu      oleonard: I am not sure we should. I had a quick test at the page using ColVis and it seems to work correctly
15:17 druthb     #wait, what are we ++ing cait for?
15:17 cait       lol
15:17 druthb     cait++
15:16 oleonard   Joubu: Don't other DataTables plugins need to be updated at the same time? ColVis, at least, is listed on the DataTables site
15:16 gmcharlt   cait++
15:16 gmcharlt   cait++
15:16 gmcharlt   cait++
15:02 thd        Sorry all, I had the wrong time for the meeting.
15:01 Joubu      yep, it's what I am doing :)
15:01 barton     morning, #koha
15:01 oleonard   Joubu: Will you create a separate bug for the upgrade? I think that would be best.
14:58 oleonard   I see the DataTables site has a new look
14:58 Joubu      I got the new one and it works
14:58 Joubu      which does not seem to use with our current version
14:58 Joubu      I am going to use footerCallback
14:57 Joubu      oleonard: yes
14:56 oleonard   Do you see a need to do an upgrade now?
14:56 Joubu      oleonard: ok thanks, it was just in case :)
14:55 oleonard   Joubu: I don't know.
14:55 Joubu      oleonard: do you know if it's save to upgrade our datatables.js version?
14:52 Joubu      oleonard: I let a note
14:52 oleonard   Okay thanks
14:51 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11578 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Improvement of the funds list view
14:51 Joubu      bug 11578
14:51 Joubu      hum not this one...
14:51 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11576 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Untranslatable "manage" in serials-collection
14:51 Joubu      bug 11576
14:51 Joubu      oleonard: yes completely. Actually it is already pushed :)
14:49 thd        gmcharlt: Are you here?
14:47 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10929 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , fund amounts sort incorrectly in table on Administration -> Budgets -> Funds page
14:47 oleonard   Joubu: I wonder if Bug 10929 is made obsolete by any of your work in progress?
14:45 jmsasse    Night BobB
14:44 jmsasse    Cait++:)
14:44 BobB       goodnight all, bedtime here
14:43 BobB       thanks for chairing so well again cait
14:43 cait       stupid timezones
14:43 BobB       don't worry, done now
14:43 BobB       yep, it'll midnight here again, LOL
14:42 cait       in australia too?
14:42 cait       daylight savings
14:42 cait       you are right i guess
14:42 cait       eek
14:42 BobB       timezones change before 22 Oct (:
14:42 cait       and BobB for staying up late
14:42 cait       thx everyone for attending
14:42 huginn     Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__24_september.2014-09-24-14.00.log.html
14:42 huginn     Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__24_september.2014-09-24-14.00.txt
14:42 huginn     Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__24_september.2014-09-24-14.00.html
14:42 huginn     Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 14:42:05 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:42 cait       #endmeeting
14:42 cait       we will see :) can still change via mailing list if it's totally bad
14:41 cait       #agreed Next meeting will be October 22, 13 UTC
14:41 cait       this one was 14
14:41 BobB       ah ok
14:41 cait       just checking, that would be 13 utc?
14:41 BobB       Is that 10pm utc?
14:41 BobB       its impossible to be convenient for everyone, its good to rotate it
14:40 cait       i am bad with timezones, relying on others here :)
14:40 oleonard   Sure why not
14:40 cait       shall we try?
14:40 oleonard   ...but not unreasonably early for them.
14:39 cait       10pm?
14:39 oleonard   one hour earlier works fine for me, not so well for folks on US west coast.
14:39 cait       ah maybe
14:39 cait       hmnot quite enough for the kiwis i think
14:39 cait       i know of somene else who this would work for better
14:39 BobB       Three hours earlier might bring the kiwis in
14:39 BobB       one hour earlier ++
14:38 cait       is this time better for everyone? could it be an option to move it one horu earlier?
14:38 oleonard   +1 for Oct. 22
14:38 cait       thx jmsasse - was wondering if anyone was still here with me:)
14:38 jmsasse    +1 for Oct. 22
14:37 cait       or 22nd - a week earlier and closer to kohacon?
14:37 cait       of october
14:37 cait       that would be .. . mabe 29th?
14:37 cait       if we keep the usual monthly schedule
14:36 cait       #topic Set time and date of next general meeting
14:36 cait       so movign on to the last topic then :)
14:36 cait       anything else i missed?
14:36 cait       and tcohen asked about the utf-8 patches
14:36 cait       i think those were covered - gmcharlt asked on the list about the meeting time (and set one)
14:35 cait       #topic Actions from the last general meeting
14:35 BobB       good one cait
14:35 cait       ok?
14:35 cait       #info Next steps about KohaCon15 and the Ibadan prosoal to be discussed at the next meeting
14:35 BobB       I think that's about as firm as we can be at this stage
14:35 BobB       to have further discussions with the Ibadan proposal?
14:34 cait       ok, so what do we put in #action or #info?
14:33 BobB       fwiw, the epidemic is not at all in Nigeria at this time
14:32 tcohen     and make the concerns explicit, to hear from them
14:32 BobB       yep, sounds like a way forward
14:32 tcohen     we need to contact them
14:32 cait       what i feel we should do is get a confirmation from them, if we don't have a vote
14:32 tcohen     some concerns were raised about the current situation at Nigeria
14:32 cait       I think we could wait another meeting, yes
14:31 reiveune   bye
14:31 BobB       Ibadan has offerred three times, so they do deserve to get it
14:31 tcohen     can we discuss this later?
14:31 cait       I am not sure how to proceed
14:31 BobB       can we commit to West Africa just now?
14:31 wahanui    comments are turned on
14:31 cait       comments?
14:30 cait       and  that's make Nigeria the winner I think, since we didn't get an official application from Zambia
14:29 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon15_Proposals
14:29 cait       that the deadline is over
14:29 cait       my impression is
14:29 cait       #topic KohaCon15
14:29 cait       :)
14:28 tcohen     done
14:28 tcohen     #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Who_is_arriving_when
14:28 tcohen     #info don't forget to post your arrival/departure time on the wiki
14:27 tcohen     #info please confirm you're coming to Mel
14:27 cait       :)
14:27 tcohen     the sunday asado is already booked
14:26 tcohen     (there's a nice mobile app)
14:26 tcohen     and on EventBase
14:26 tcohen     we are finishing (with bgkriegel) the schedule, that will be available on the website
14:25 BobB       :)
14:25 tcohen     that will be translated into english
14:25 BobB       good for me, hope its OK for local people
14:25 tcohen     there are several presentations in spanish
14:25 tcohen     BobB: no
14:25 BobB       tcohen will the conference be mostly in Spanish?
14:24 tcohen     #info registrations are already closed (since friday)
14:24 cait       ok
14:24 cait       #action tcohen will finish the schedule now ;)
14:24 cait       I think me and some others will try to tweet, blog and talk on IRC about what's going on
14:23 tcohen     you wont let me finish the schedule, right? :-P
14:23 cait       #topic KohaCon14
14:23 cait       moving on?
14:23 cait       :)
14:22 druthb     tcohen++
14:22 tcohen     because we have some offices that give advisxe and take care of that matters
14:22 tcohen     we are arranging things at the university
14:21 tcohen     side note
14:21 cait       #agreed the current draft will serve as code of conduct for now, but can be changed or amended at later meetings
14:21 tcohen     +1
14:21 cait       hm i think we lost tcohen
14:21 BobB       +1
14:21 jmsasse    +1
14:21 jwagner    +1
14:20 jcamins    +1
14:20 cait       +1
14:20 cait       i will also accept +-1 :)
14:20 oleonard   Yes
14:19 cait       please vote yes or no on the draft as a preliminary code of conduct with the option to amend and change it at later meetings now:
14:19 druthb     +1
14:19 cait       tcohen: would this be ok to you as the conf organizer?
14:18 jwagner    +1
14:18 jmsasse    +1
14:18 cait       +1
14:17 jcamins    +1
14:17 BobB       ok +1
14:17 oleonard   +1 to voting on the existing draft
14:16 cait       and please all... ignore the typos
14:16 cait       i know a vote about a vote is a bit silly, but I will ask anyway: Do you feel ok to vote on the existing draf in order to put something in place or rather wait for a ameneded version?
14:16 BobB       not helpful, sorry
14:15 BobB       I won't get time to study it until conference
14:15 cait       BobB: so you'd rather wait voting on the existing draft?
14:15 jmsasse    +1
14:15 BobB       I support the concept
14:14 BobB       I'm ill informed, sorry - hard to express a viewpoint
14:14 oleonard   I've got no problem with that
14:14 cait       what do people think?
14:14 jcamins    #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
14:14 jcamins    Not to belabor a dead horse, but why not vote on the code of conduct as it stands, and then allow for amendment at a future meeting if it passes?
14:14 cait       i am not sure if going with 'something' now and refining later shoudln't be also considered
14:13 oleonard   I would vote for the code of conduct based on my uninformed reading of it, but would be interested to hear opposing viewpoints
14:13 cait       #info the discussion about the code of conduct will be postponed to next or a separate meeting
14:13 cait       but you ar right oleonard, we will need to push it
14:12 BobB       We can publish the draft for conference, I guess
14:12 BobB       I agree its a good idea to have a code, I've not studied thomas' draft
14:12 cait       we won't have one for the conf now :(
14:12 cait       oleonard: only problem is
14:12 cait       #link https://github.com/gmcharlt/koha-code-of-conduct/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md
14:12 oleonard   With neither gmcharlt nor thd present to comment I think we push this to the next meeting
14:11 cait       any ideas/comments?
14:11 cait       I am not sureif that has happened - we may have to push this to next meeting or a separate one
14:10 cait       there has been an email from thomas and i see that gmcharlt wanted to update the draft
14:10 cait       #topic Code of conduct
14:10 cait       ok, moving on then
14:09 cait       anything else on releases?
14:09 cait       gmcharlt has been pushing patches to 3.16 and is ee the strings got updated, so that's looking good
14:09 cait       bgkriegel++
14:09 cait       nice :)
14:08 tcohen     bgkriegel says soon, in a few minutes
14:08 cait       tcohen: will there be an email to translators?
14:08 tcohen     (3.14 still wip)
14:07 tcohen     bgkriegel already updated strings for stable releases
14:07 tcohen     that will be on the stable branches soon
14:07 tcohen     we have a couple (minor) security patches pushed yesterday
14:07 cait       hope to have those through qa soon
14:06 cait       I am working on the Shibboleth paches with ashimema again
14:06 cait       tcohen++
14:05 cait       gmcharlt: ?
14:05 tcohen     right now :-D
14:05 tcohen     we are finishing the preliminary programme for kohacon14
14:05 cait       we will tie him to a chair at the hackfest ;)
14:05 tcohen     that's is
14:05 tcohen     #info RM is quite busy with kohacon stuff, but will keep the pace
14:04 cait       where integration means kicking those templates out :)
14:04 tcohen     #info we are close to start integrating CCSR/PROG deprecation
14:04 tcohen     #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Univeridad Nacional de Cordoba
14:03 cait       as we have woken up tcohen now, let's start with 3.18 :)
14:03 cait       #topic Update on releases
14:03 tcohen     meetingª!!!!!!
14:03 cait       lookig for announcements, but handing over to you in a moment
14:03 tcohen     oh
14:03 tcohen     whatsup?
14:03 tcohen     hi cait
14:03 cait       ok, I will jump to releases in that case :)
14:03 cait       tcohen: ?
14:03 BobB       :)
14:02 * cait     hides the pumkin so noone makes soup of it
14:02 rambutan   #info Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
14:02 * BobB     just turned into a pumpkin
14:02 cait       announcements? :)
14:02 cait       #topic Announcements
14:02 jmsasse    Hi BobB!
14:02 BobB       hi jmsasse !
14:01 Joubu      #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
14:01 jmsasse    #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek
14:01 cait       #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_24_September_2014
14:01 jwagner    (only here for a short time, though)
14:01 jwagner    #info Jane Wagner LibLime/PTFS
14:01 BobB       #info Bob Birchall, Calyx
14:01 cait       #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:01 oleonard   #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
14:01 cait       please introduce yourself like wahanui by using #info
14:00 wahanui    #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
14:00 cait       #topic Introductions
14:00 huginn     The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__24_september'
14:00 huginn     Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 huginn     Meeting started Wed Sep 24 14:00:53 2014 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 cait       #startmeeting General IRC meeting, 24 September
14:00 BobB       thx cait
14:00 jwagner    go for it, cait
14:00 cait       i could chair if people are ok with it?
14:00 cait       no idea why i didn' find it
14:00 cait       oh thx
14:00 BobB       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_24_September_2014
13:59 cait       do we have no agenda for today?
13:59 BobB       :)
13:59 cait       BobB: see you soon :)
13:59 oleonard   Hi BobB! Go to bed :)
13:59 cait       lookig for the agenda
13:58 BobB       but its midnight, so not sure how long I'll stay
13:58 BobB       hi oleonard, I'm here
13:57 cait       oleonard: hm i was not aware of the warning, but i guess itmight slow down things in some cases
13:57 tcohen     hi
13:56 cait       tcohen: ?
13:56 cait       i am
13:55 oleonard   Are ByWater folks all offline for a retreat as their tweet suggests?
13:55 rambutan   I was gonna watch
13:55 oleonard   Is anyone here for the meeting?
13:51 Marjorie   oleonard: thanks
13:50 oleonard   ...because we tell them not to.
13:48 cait       Marjorie: sorry, not that i know of. I think thelog is for that, but people often don't have it activated
13:48 oleonard   I can confirm that the log does record deletions if you have the CataloguingLog system preference enabled
13:47 Marjorie   cait: if sys pref cataloguinglog is not activated, i suppose there is no other way to konw who deleted a biblio?
13:46 Marjorie   cait: ok thanks
13:45 cait       it's getting quite huge i think yes
13:44 oleonard   ...which one is specifically advised against :|
13:44 cait       Marjorie: if you use cataloguing logs maybe
13:44 cait       oleonard: heh thx
13:43 * oleonard thinks it was cait
13:42 Marjorie   Hi, is there a way to know who deleted a biblio?
13:27 cait       i think i will just look for the 0 and use #tab_holdings
13:26 cait       the \\ doesn't seemto work either
13:26 cait       $("a:contains('Holdings')").remove(); < works... but as soon as i add to it... boom :(
13:24 cait       will try 2 :)
13:24 cait       hm i tried one
13:24 oleonard   Did you try escaping with  \\ ?
13:20 cait       running out of ideas.
13:20 cait       hm
13:20 * oleonard doesn't know
13:18 cait       is there a way to escape the parentheses?
13:18 cait       if i leave out the () it finds the string but not with them - but i only want to catch the case where it says 0...
13:18 cait       :contains("Items ( 0 )")
13:17 cait       oleonard: :)
13:17 cait       another question - i am trying to look for a string with jquery that contians () - it doesn't seem to like that
13:17 * oleonard fears the merciless lash of QA
13:17 cait       if you are ot sure how to do it maybe submit and we can then see about a test?
13:17 cait       there are some examples for tets for the plugins
13:16 cait       hm
13:13 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12982 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron category dropdown empty in header search form on patron entry page
13:13 oleonard   ...as part of a fix for Bug 12982...
13:07 oleonard   I'm trying adding a "getBorrowerCategories" sub to the Borrowers template plugin which simply returns C4::Category->all
13:06 cait       oleonard: if you ask tcohen he will probably say yes... are you thinking of something specific?
13:01 oleonard   Do new template plugin functions require tests?
12:14 vfernandes the problem it that i can't have two <xslo:template mode="index_subfields" match="marc:datafield[@tag='942']"> in the same file :D
12:14 cait       :)
12:13 vfernandes cait it's resolved :D
12:10 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MRenvoize/zebra
12:10 cait       vfernandes: i haven't worked much mit dom so far, there is a good site on the wiki about it
12:08 vfernandes cait can you see the paste?
12:07 pastebot   "vfernandes" at pasted "942$n" (61 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/226
12:05 vfernandes yes... i will put on paste
12:05 cait       and just added another field to the index?
12:05 vfernandes yes
12:05 cait       you reindexed?
12:05 cait       hm but not sure what might have gone wrong
12:05 vfernandes cait i think that biblio-zebra-indexdefs and biblio-koha-indexdefs are correct
12:04 cait       record.abs is not important then
12:00 vfernandes yes
11:59 cait       vfernandes: are you using DOM?
11:59 cait       in 2 hours!
11:59 cait       yep it is :)
11:58 oleonard   That's today, folks!
11:57 vfernandes located?
11:57 vfernandes where the zebra database is locked?
11:55 oleonard   Hi #koha
11:52 vfernandes how to correct this?
11:50 vfernandes with yaz-client the index isn't being created
11:49 vfernandes but still no results
11:49 vfernandes i've changed record.abs, biblio-zebra-indexdefs anda biblio-koha-indexdefs to index 942$c
11:48 vfernandes so records with no items aren't returned in itemtypes searches
11:48 vfernandes one little problem: with UNIMARC, koha 3.14 isn't indexing 942$c which is the itemtype
11:47 vfernandes hi :D
10:37 magnuse    "are trying" perhaps?
10:32 paxed      "The order line you trying to cancel was created from a partial receipt of "    ...sounds rather ungrammatical.
10:22 cait       i wonder if we could stop zebra from treating # and + as breaking characters.. (space) and if that would fix it... but not sure about side effects
10:22 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9729 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unable to use IT search terms such as C#, .NET, C++ in searching
10:22 cait       i am pondering bug 9729
10:22 * cait     waves
08:55 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12955 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The budget list always shows my funds
08:55 magnuse    bug 12955
08:43 huginn     Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:43 Joubu      @later tell gmcharlt If you didn't release 3.16.X yet, could you have a look at bug 12955 please? A trivial patch fixes a quite important bug.
08:17 paxed      typo "Merllisia Manueli", should probably be "Merllissia Manueli"
07:35 dcook      :D*
07:35 dcook      "D
07:32 mtj        ...and dcook, thanks for the brainslap guys
07:30 mtj        aah, ok - makes sense rangi :)
07:30 rangi      its really all you can do
07:28 dcook      Certainly nicer than deleting on delete
07:28 rangi      mtj: CONSTRAINT `old_issues_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`borrowernumber`) REFERENCES `borrowers` (`borrowernumber`) ON DELETE SET NULL ON UPDATE SET NULL,
07:27 rangi      they will be deleted borrowers
07:27 dcook      ^
07:27 rangi      mtj: its the cascades on the foreign keys
07:26 dcook      salut Joubu
07:24 Joubu      hi
07:24 dcook      The photos all look gorgeous so far
07:24 dcook      mtj: I'm glad you like the greece idea ^_^
07:23 dcook      which was... lovely
07:23 dcook      The boss found out last night that optimizing a MariaDB 5.5.33 will reset the auto_increment in a table to max(id)+1
07:23 dcook      Not sure if there's a FK to the borrowers table
07:23 dcook      mtj: I suppose you might get an old_issues row with NULL when you delete that borrower?
07:22 paxed      "Lambert's conformal conict"   typo, should be "conic"
07:20 mtj        dcook:  i like your greece idea :p
07:20 magnuse    kia ora mtj
07:19 mtj        hmm, its got me a bit stumped...
07:18 mtj        for the logs, i just confirmed that doesnt seem to happen ^^
07:18 mtj        hiya magnuse
07:11 magnuse    dcook: there were 1 or 2 people from greece at the last hackfest in marseille
07:10 mtj        or poss. returning/checking-in a non-issued item, creates a row with no borrower?
07:07 mtj        surely thats some horrible bug, yes?
07:06 mtj        hey peeps, can anyone think of a sane reason why a koha would have many old_issues rows, with NULL borrnum values?
07:02 dcook      You could say it's a delayed honeymoon from our wedding last year
07:01 * dcook    is getting pretty amped
07:01 dcook      Just two more sleeps...
06:59 dcook      \o/
06:59 rangi      there already are quite a few
06:58 * dcook    thinks some libraries in Greece should adopt Koha... then Koha 2016 in Greece..
06:57 dcook      I think I need a longer holiday :p
06:57 dcook      Holy... just looked at one of the hotels where I'll be staying on Crete
06:55 alex_a     bonjour
06:32 magnuse    piwik++
06:32 reiveune   hello
06:23 cait       morning all :)
06:18 paul_p     kia ora magnuse & dcook &others.
06:08 magnuse    kia ora cait and paul_p
06:08 magnuse    dcook: nice
06:05 dcook      and paul_p :)
06:05 dcook      morning cait :)
06:04 cait       mrning
06:00 dcook      Mostly the south :). Greece, Switzerland, and Italy
06:00 magnuse    whereabouts in europe?
06:00 magnuse    gah!
05:57 dcook      All the travel!
05:57 dcook      Not too much. Trying to get ready for Europe and trying to get ready for OSDC as it happens the week after I get back :S
05:56 magnuse    wassup dcook
05:55 dcook      yo magnuse
05:48 * magnuse  waves
03:29 eythian    b) uploading new master packages
03:29 eythian    a) it's nice to have master building again
03:26 mtompset   Have a great day, #koha.
03:25 wahanui    http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif
03:25 mtompset   go back to bed?
02:53 wizzyrea   go back to bed is <reply> http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif
02:52 eythian    go back to bed.
02:52 eythian    hi cait
02:52 eythian    yeah, an addition to it would be something that allows the webserver to push it through, that way we could style things based on domain a bit easier.
02:51 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Add class="branchcode" to body tag to make OPAC CSS-styleable per branch
02:51 wizzyrea   I'm pretty excited about bug 12162
02:49 wizzyrea   oh hey that would be cool.
02:49 eythian    Should just make a module that provides all the basic behaviours by default.
02:49 wizzyrea   that one needs to be fixed, actually, to not work the way it does.
02:48 wizzyrea   on the script.
02:48 wizzyrea   well that and try --help
02:48 martin_    where can I find documentation on things like this --> here -- LOL
02:48 eythian    wizzyrea: yes, I was just thinking that.
02:48 wizzyrea   is that force messaging defaults one
02:48 martin_    okay - now I owe $2
02:48 wizzyrea   eythian: an example of a script that doesn't explicitly tell you what's happening when you just run it
02:48 martin_    mhuwhahahahah - it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:47 martin_    oops
02:47 martin_    oh crud - nope
02:47 wizzyrea   borrowers-force-messaging-defaults --doit
02:47 wizzyrea   did you run it with --doit?
02:45 martin_    I was trying to update all existing borrowers on my live server - probably not a good idea, but I have no choice - this thing just went live 2 weeks ago
02:44 wizzyrea   for the borrower category of the borrower you are testing with?
02:44 martin_    only for one borrower category - "student"
02:44 martin_    yes - 1 day, etc.
02:44 wizzyrea   per borrower category?
02:44 wizzyrea   you have the messaging defaults set?
02:44 martin_    hmm - thing didn't do it
02:43 wizzyrea   shouldn't, once you set the defaults you run the tool to update the borrowers
02:43 martin_    patron categories? I did that - do I need to turn enhanced notices off first, and then back on?
02:42 wizzyrea   More -> Administration -> Borrower Categories
02:41 wizzyrea   yep, then in the borrower categories
02:41 martin_    nah - I meant the date of the advanced notice
02:39 wizzyrea   the content of the notice
02:39 wizzyrea   or do you mean the notice itself
02:39 martin_    thanks!
02:39 martin_    ah - okay - I'll have to look at it again
02:39 wizzyrea   and then run the script to apply the defaults to all users.
02:39 wizzyrea   you set the default in the borrower categories
02:39 martin_    do I need to edit the script?
02:39 martin_    question about my previous question - it all got reset, but how do I globally update the advanced notice to what I want it to be for all users?
02:38 martin_    yeah - I think I'm learning that now
02:38 * mtompset nods in agreement with wizzyrea's suggestion.
02:38 wizzyrea   honestly, one should never bang their head against a Koha problem for more than an hour or two before popping up here.
02:37 mtompset   http://youtu.be/nqAvFx3NxUM -- All Night Long (Lionel Richie)
02:37 wizzyrea   visit early, visit often ;)
02:37 * mtompset smirks, "Musical flashback!"
02:35 martin_    I'm glad you all are here - I've been beating my head against the wall with this all day long
02:35 mtompset   Yes, I need to finish all my thank you letters still.
02:35 martin_    LOL
02:35 wahanui    i think mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
02:35 martin_    hey mtompset!
02:35 wizzyrea   hi mtompset
02:34 mtompset   Greetings, martin_. :)
02:34 mtompset   Greetings, wizzyrea!
02:33 wizzyrea   anytime :)
02:32 martin_    thanks so much !
02:32 mtompset   Greetings, #koha.
02:32 martin_    I couldn't find instructions anywhere
02:32 martin_    yup
02:32 wizzyrea   yep yw :)
02:32 martin_    Thanks!
02:32 wahanui    That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, martin_
02:32 martin_    awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:30 wizzyrea   and then try running it
02:30 wizzyrea   I mean
02:30 wizzyrea   sudo koha-shell instancename
02:30 martin_    ok
02:30 martin_    it's been a few months now, and it's a production server
02:30 wizzyrea   ok, then try doing a sudo koha-shell
02:30 martin_    think
02:30 martin_    yes - I htink I did
02:30 martin_    ah - let me check
02:30 wizzyrea   meaning, did you install with packages?
02:29 wahanui    packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
02:29 wizzyrea   packages?
02:29 martin_    Ubuntu Server Edition
02:29 martin_    I'm running on a VPS
02:29 wizzyrea   how did you install?
02:29 martin_    at /usr/share/koha/C4
02:28 martin_    unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml
02:28 * cjh      whistles innocently
02:28 wizzyrea   what were the messages?
02:28 wizzyrea   haha
02:28 martin_    hey - does anyone know how to updated the "advanced notices" for all patrons - I tried to run borrowers-force-messages-default (a script) but received error messages
02:27 huginn     rangi: 1 found: #250: "<cjh> This code smells of wine."
02:27 rangi      @quote search wine
02:27 rangi      :)
02:27 wnickc     good night all, no more testing once I finish my bourbon :-)
02:27 rangi      cool
02:27 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12983 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Links to view imported record MARC have invalid target "javascript:void(0)"
02:27 wnickc     bug 12983
02:26 wnickc     thanks everyone
02:23 wizzyrea   yeah I see that too, in 3.16.3
02:21 rangi      right, seems like a bug thats crept in recentish .. cool, if you report it saying that its broken in 3.16 and master, but works at 3.14
02:20 wnickc     works fine in 3.14.x
02:20 mtj        wnickc: perhaps a js  cache bug  yr browser ?
02:19 rangi      id report it anyway, with as much info as you have
02:17 rangi      you could try 3.14.x too, if its still doing it there .. then it's more likely to do with something peculair to you
02:16 wnickc     okey doke, any more due diligence I can/should do before filing?
02:15 rangi      know = no
02:15 rangi      shouldnt need to know
02:15 wnickc     I am still seeing it, unless I need to do something more complicated than 'git checkout 3.16.x'
02:15 mtj        also... those docos look great!
02:12 wnickc     good call, let me see
02:11 rangi      that would narrow it down
02:11 rangi      you could try checking out the 3.16.x branch and see if it works on there
02:11 wizzyrea   yeah it'd about have to be.
02:11 rangi      hmm probably something that has snuck in recently
02:10 wnickc     I saw it on my VM, replicated on biblibre sandbox
02:10 wizzyrea   mmm haven't seen that
02:10 wnickc     and chrome
02:09 rangi      sounds like a bug, but i havent heard it reported before
02:09 wnickc     firefox
02:09 rangi      and what browser?
02:09 wnickc     master
02:08 rangi      what version wnickc ?
02:08 wnickc     all my links to view imported marc are javascript:void(0)
02:08 wnickc     is there a known bug on the 'Manage staged records' page, or am I doing something wrong?
02:07 mtj        very exciting SKA news, rangi
02:07 rangi      yeah thats a great movie too
02:06 wnickc     hello
02:06 mtj        hi all
02:03 wnickc     reminds me of this: http://youtu.be/CjnfoFg7i7g
01:55 rangi      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp_Tl3yhjuA
01:19 wizzyrea   ha!
01:19 wizzyrea   it was yum
01:19 rangi      yum
01:19 wizzyrea   oh I had one of those!
01:19 rangi      this one has salted caramel in it!
01:18 wizzyrea   the girls at the sweet stand do make pretty awesome coffee
01:17 dcook      hehe
01:14 rangi      i like the use of large there :)
01:14 rangi      https://catalyst.net.nz/show-and-tell/news/kiwi-companies-forefront-ska
01:14 dcook      :P
01:13 eythian    dcook: have you ensured you'll have the facility and schedule to be on #koha during the au/nz daytime?
01:12 huginn     dcook: The operation succeeded.
01:12 dcook      @later tell tcohen Yeppers. Greece, Switzerland, and Italy.
01:11 tcohen     bye #koha
01:11 tcohen     dinner is ready
01:06 tcohen     dcook: greece?
01:03 * dcook    is nervous and excited at the same time
01:03 dcook      So it may or may not happen
01:03 rangi      mmmm this coffee is awesome
01:03 dcook      Well, I leave for holidays in... 2 more days
01:03 dcook      :D
01:01 tcohen     still need some unimarc-er to test, so no rush :-D
01:00 tcohen     because it is not only facet retrieval, but also XSL generation
01:00 tcohen     i meant to say tht way you could test more of the functionality
00:59 tcohen     hey dcook
00:54 dcook      :p
00:54 dcook      And he's gone
00:54 dcook      I would love to add some facets for fixed field data as well
00:49 tcohen     :-D
00:49 tcohen     reindex, test
00:49 tcohen     regen the xsl, add a record with a and b subfields for 100
00:48 wizzyrea   :)
00:48 tcohen     when you have some spare minutes: add another subfield to a facet definition (say field 100 subfields="ab")
00:45 dcook      It might have to wait :/
00:44 dcook      Oh nose
00:33 huginn     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12937 [Follow-up] Deleting suggestions should ask for a confirmation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=755655a42a2621c86fe3d171564401fd929c28cd> / Bug 12937: Deleting suggestions should ask for a confirmation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b5c0966bbb600b6927fa04edcb1691a794f38f6> / Bug 12876: (followup) remove useless diags <http://git.koha-community.org/
00:32 tcohen     dcook: i need you to do another test on the zebra facet patches
00:32 tcohen     hi dcook
00:23 dcook      [off] wizzyrea: "Developer: Liz Rea, Catalyst IT, and David Cook, Prosentient, for Horowhenua Library Trust" D'aww