Time  Nick       Message
23:55 eythian    http://mysocialsherpa.com/the-ultimate-retaliation-pranking-my-roommate-with-targeted-facebook-ads/ <-- that's pretty entertainingly cruel
23:55 dtweed     Good to know, but it can still be therapuetic to make jokes to bots.. however, I will refrain from now on
23:53 rangi      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_and_Access
23:53 wahanui    i think RDA is my cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad
23:53 rangi      RDA?
23:53 rangi      and RDA in this context is
23:53 huginn     rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (11:30 AM NZST on September 18, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
23:53 rangi      @wunder nzwn
23:53 rangi      or
23:53 huginn     rangi: A personal name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8]
23:53 rangi      @marc 100
23:53 rangi      so you can do things like
23:52 rangi      dtweed: huginn and wahanui are bots
23:52 eythian    basically, when XP had a bullet put in it.
23:52 eythian    it's only fairly recent that it's been properly usable.
23:51 tcohen_    eythian: i didn't know of SNI, i seems i haven't dealed with that for a long time
23:50 huginn     dtweed: I suck
23:50 dtweed     huginn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_dentin_abrasion (RDA?) :)
23:48 rangi      dtweed: heh
23:48 huginn     dtweed: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
23:48 dtweed     @rangi: RIM actually did a recruitment on my campus this past summer. no one applied
23:46 dtweed     good link, thank you
23:46 wizzyrea   *rimshot*
23:46 eythian    I suppose there are quite a few fewer RIM jobs now.
23:44 rangi      where the big RIM campus was
23:44 rangi      theres like a whole ghost town in canada now
23:44 wizzyrea   *snerk*
23:44 rangi      the 12 people who still use blackberry get really annoyed
23:44 eythian    but pretty much everything else is fine
23:44 eythian    you shouldn't use it if you want to support IE on XP (ahahaah), android 2.2 or so, or blackberry something something.
23:43 rangi      https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHostsWithSNI
23:42 eythian    SNI
23:42 eythian    nope
23:42 tcohen_    with a wildcard cert?
23:42 eythian    tcohen_: you totally can
23:42 rangi      that was the olden days
23:42 rangi      you can
23:42 tcohen_    you cannot run two different SSL hosts on the same port
23:39 eythian    each part assumes it has its own host:port part of the URL
23:39 eythian    dtweed: you can't do that
23:37 dtweed     If I were needing to run both under the same hostname, is it feasible to use something like library.com for opac and library.com/staff for staff client?
23:36 dtweed     That looks like the trick. I'll read up.
23:33 rangi      in that case try a NameVirtualHost directive
23:33 dtweed     2.2
23:31 rangi      thanks wahanui
23:30 wahanui    2
23:30 rangi      2.2 or 2.4 ?
23:30 rangi      what version of apache?
23:30 rangi      there ya go :)
23:30 dtweed     except now I notice a VirtualHost overlap message.
23:29 dtweed     No, everything pretends it's going to work, then doesn't
23:28 rangi      does it grizzle about a missing NameVirtualHost when you run configtest?
23:27 eythian    your virtual hosts are configured wrongly, most likely
23:26 dtweed     i keeping ending up either with access to the opac or the staff client, but not both
23:26 wahanui    one is, like, the easy fix... the other harder but right
23:26 eythian    one what?
23:25 dtweed     i must be missing something then, one seems to always take priority over the other
23:25 wizzyrea   make sure it all works, then redirect the ones on port 80 to the 443 hosts.
23:25 dtweed     hmm..
23:25 wizzyrea   gah.
23:25 wizzyrea   443&
23:25 wizzyrea   I always copy the 80 ones, change them to 442 and add the certificate stuff
23:25 rangi      so that old links (if they exist) or if ppl hit them on port 80 cos they forget to type the s, they end up at the right site :)
23:24 rangi      if that makes sense
23:24 rangi      and make 2 new ones, on 80, that just redirect to the ssl ones
23:24 rangi      in that case you just need a couple of certs (or maybe one wildcard one) and you're away laughing ... what you might want to do is change the 2 existing virtualhosts to 443
23:23 rangi      thats the best attitude to have :)
23:23 dtweed     Don't think ie6 is an issue for us/we're not supporting it
23:22 wizzyrea   they can have a modern IE, but if it's XP it'll throw warnings
23:21 wizzyrea   Windows XP is the offender there
23:21 rangi      not really, the only issue would be if your users are using ie6 or somethign horrible, then you would have to put each on a sep ip
23:20 dtweed     is there a best practice to setting up two virtual servers running ssl ?
23:19 dtweed     lol ya :)
23:18 rangi      just find the .conf in /etc/apache2/sites-available/  and edit it
23:17 rangi      in that case
23:17 dtweed     yes
23:17 rangi      do you know how to set up https in apache?
23:15 dtweed     Can anyone point me in the right direction to get both opac and staff client under https with httpd/apache?  I'm a little lost..
23:14 huginn     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10883 - AllowHoldDateInFuture can let a patron jump to the top of the holds list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd69768f72493d9ec2f2e8015e6f435e9cff18f4> / Bug 11577: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb4df0eff2960772522946bc451803a0af8fb87f> / Bug 11577 : Fixing a tiny copy/paste issue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=
23:07 wizzyrea   that could have gone much differently
23:06 wizzyrea   stefano++
23:06 wizzyrea   hm true
23:04 rangi      stefano++ #answering a terse email nicely
22:52 cait       probably too soon wahanui...
22:52 wahanui    goodnight cait. You'll be back.
22:52 cait       night all
22:40 wizzyrea   makes perfect sense
22:40 cait       i am not sure that sentence made sense even...
22:40 huginn     wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #310 added.
22:40 wizzyrea   @quote add <cait> the human memory deletes bad things...
22:37 cait       the human memory deletes bad things...
22:37 cait       i can understand that
22:37 cait       it's ok
22:22 eythian    cait: I think I have forgotten most of my second year, I'm afraid.
22:22 cait       it's time we spend more time together... or maybe not :)
22:22 bag        always most lovely and kind cait
22:21 bag        never bad cait
22:21 wizzyrea   :D
22:21 cait       lol
22:21 wahanui    hmmm... good cait is back.
22:21 wizzyrea   good cait!
22:21 wizzyrea   :(
22:21 cait       bag: i read your typo as 'bad cait'
22:21 cait       eythian: technically... i am in my second year
22:21 wizzyrea   rangi has hopefully slept since then.
22:20 eythian    hi bag
22:20 bag        and*
22:20 bag        abd cait
22:20 wahanui    rumour has it eythian is an expert bot trainer
22:20 bag        heya eythian
22:20 rangi      yeah, 1992 is too long ago for me to remember :(
22:20 eythian    (and then it was probably only once in like second year or so.)
22:19 eythian    but it's been an extremely long time since I've ever had to work with them.
22:19 cait       and then if you google some do it ltr ... other rtl... and i am going crazy.
22:18 eythian    I think I have one of those somewhere in the pile of electronics on my desk.
22:18 eythian    ah
22:18 cait       right now we are debating in which direction you count the bits... because the example is a four digit one where you your the first and fourth bit... and that is not really helpful in telling
22:18 cait       linear feedback shift register
22:17 eythian    lfsr?
22:17 rangi      oh eythian right remember some of that from his uni days
22:16 cait       lfsr--
22:14 wahanui    niihau, eythian
22:14 eythian    hi
21:57 wahanui    bidet, tcohen
21:57 tcohen     hi
21:49 rangi      ahh thats the one tcohen was asking about in his email
21:47 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11577 new feature, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Passed QA , [ENH] Automatic renewal feature
21:47 bag        bug 11577
21:02 cait       hm no tcohen
21:01 wizzyrea   oleonard++ I like the update to the installer
20:18 rangi      it's a pretty cool feature :)
20:18 huginn     rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:18 rangi      @later tell tcohen its bug 11577
20:17 rangi      hmm i still really really need someone to sign off on the last to prog/ccsr bugs
20:16 rangi      morning
19:06 cait       hm?
19:03 tcohen     is there a bugfix to revamp the sample data files?
18:48 cait       heh
18:45 oleonard   Ooh, git blame me.
18:19 WNickC     Hi koha
17:58 cait       ok, i guess i don't have ideas :(
17:58 cait       in staff
17:58 cait       hm i guess we actually have that too
17:57 cait       some of the headings are dark blue
17:57 oleonard   I did add some touches of that green to input focus but it doesn't show up in the screenshot
17:57 oleonard   I would like it to be less recognizable as unmodified Bootstrap
17:57 cait       adding a bit of koha green?
17:56 cait       not sure - maybe the color scheme could be adapted a bit to the staff client's one?
17:56 cait       default does not look too bad
17:54 oleonard   It's all out-of-the-box Bootstrap, so it would be good to make it look less distinctly Bootstrappish
17:54 cait       it looks nice!
17:53 cait       the requireds are cute :)
17:53 cait       i think on the first screen the red koha-conf looks a bit like something might be wrong
17:51 oleonard   Here's my take on an updated web installer using Bootstrap 3: http://www.screencast.com/users/oleonard/playlists/Koha-web-installer (click through the series using the thumbnails at the bottom)
17:44 cait       ok :)
17:44 oleonard   "due some love"
17:43 cait       can you say it like that?
17:43 cait       oleonard: the web installer was due to some love :)
17:43 cait       :)
17:43 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12945 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Web installer only shows missing optional modules if required modules are missing
17:43 oleonard   I've filed a bug for the question I posed earlier: Bug 12945
17:41 cait       no idea then
17:41 cait       oh
17:40 oleonard   The bug is not valid with regard to the web installer. I don't know about the "command-line installer" to which the bug refers.
17:39 cait       and we have about.pl for later?
17:39 cait       and you can continue installer when optional is missing, right?
17:39 cait       we do point out optional vs. mandatory i think
17:39 cait       i would say no, but not sure
17:39 cait       hm
17:38 cait       hmsec
17:37 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2270 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , installer should be able to differentiate between optional and mandatory modules
17:37 oleonard   Is Bug 2270 still valid?
17:33 cait       gmcharlt++ :)
17:28 tcohen     gmcharlt++
17:27 gmcharlt   but FYI, I'll be pushing out a utf8 test case bug by early Friday
17:27 tcohen     ok
17:27 tcohen     heh
17:27 gmcharlt   tcohen: not really
17:27 tcohen     gmcharlt: around?
17:25 cait       very important
17:24 tcohen     arranging things so we get a decent internet connexion
17:24 * tcohen   spent the whole day at the conference venue
17:24 tcohen     hi cait
17:20 cait       hi tcohen
17:12 tcohen     Joubu: around?
16:50 oleonard   I would think that we would want to either *always* list the missing optional modules or *never* list the missing optional modules.
16:49 oleonard   The web installer only shows missing optional modules if you have missing required modules. Is that the correct behavior?
16:25 reiveune   bye
16:24 oleonard   Not sure what might have been cached that was causing problems.
16:23 oleonard   Okay never mind, I tried it in another browser and had no problem.
16:21 bag        oleonard: do you have plack or something like that running?
16:11 oleonard   The database reports my version is 3.1700023
16:07 oleonard   After the web installer sets up the database, I'm immediately asked to update the database from Koha to
16:07 oleonard   I'm getting stuck in a weird loop when running the web installer on an empty database in master.
15:50 gaetan_B   bye!
15:33 Joubu      bye!
15:30 Joubu      oleonard: thanks to correct me!
14:23 fridolin   bybye
14:08 Spin_      thx for helping they are waiting for me so ill continue tomorrow
14:06 jcamins    Spin_: the first thing you should do is look at the paths that you shared at 14 minutes ago ("i tried <img src...")
14:04 Spin_      but by remaming all my koha gifs i might find it in the end :OP
14:04 Spin_      wrong
14:04 Spin_      no but i did copy the koha gif renamed it and it did not work afther so i'm in the wrond map
14:03 oleonard   Any luck Spin_ ?
13:57 aumohmega  Gnome Is Home. ;)
13:56 aumohmega  im down with Gnome too Spin_ ~(8-D
13:56 Spin_      thx for helping i try some more
13:55 oleonard   Then the path to your gif is correct and you should use it as an example.
13:55 Spin_      no jpg alowed ?
13:55 Spin_      a koha gif
13:55 Spin_      i have tried a gif in the same directory and that one works
13:54 oleonard   Spin_: I think if you examine the two paths you mention above you'll see where your error lies
13:52 Spin_      i'm on a ubuntu :O)
13:52 aumohmega  aotearoa aroha :)
13:52 oleonard   Hmm...
13:51 Spin_      i tried <img src="/opac-tmpl/prog/images/large.jpg"> but no luck the image is in /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/images
13:43 Spin_      ok i put it there sec
13:43 oleonard   Yes
13:43 Spin_      or not
13:43 Spin_      so i go for /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/images
13:42 Spin_      its bootstrap
13:41 oleonard   Spin_: Your theme is defined in Administration -> System preferences -> opacthemes
13:41 oleonard   If you do that then the path to your image is /opac-tmpl/prog/images/your-image-file.png
13:40 Spin_      where do i fing my theme
13:40 oleonard   If you're using the prog theme, yes
13:40 Spin_      this one ? /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/images
13:38 Spin_      sec i try to find the folder i use the standard theme
13:38 oleonard   I don't know what the best practices are around adding images to a Koha installation. The simplest solution would be to add your custom images to the "images" folder in whatever theme you're using. However I don't know what problems if any that presents for upgrades
13:35 Spin_      i have amdin rights yes
13:35 oleonard   Spin_: The location of your image needs to be web-accessible according to your server's configuration. Are you the administrator of the server?
13:29 Spin_      i did put it in htdocs but no succes (did find a text on internet that said i could use that)
13:27 Spin_      but if i'm in opacmainuserblock where am i then on the server
13:26 Spin_      well i can put in annywhere :)
13:26 oleonard   Spin_: So the answer depends on where you put the image on the server.
13:26 oleonard   Spin_: The path in your <img> tag must match the path to the image's location
13:19 Spin_      Hey koha if i wanna put an image on the first page of koha where do i put the image on the server i tried <img src="large.jpg"> in the OpacMainUserBlock but it did not find my jpg
12:43 paul_p     magnuse = mail in your mailbox !
12:13 Viktor     magnuse: Just curious how it will behave.
12:13 Viktor     magnuse: Koha is quite magical indeed :)
12:00 magnuse    nah, just say it's magic ;-)
12:00 Viktor     cait: Might have to experiment then. But the current print notices work fine, but we'd also like to use email more. Just feel that we need to be able to answer the patrons that wonder how it works :)
11:58 cait       neither print or email
11:57 cait       Viktor: i think if they switch that off, they get no hold filled at all
11:56 magnuse    wow, more gitified weirdness. now it looks like it's not using the templates in my git repo, but using the ones installed by koha-common instead...
11:51 Viktor     But I guess that any which way they will get a notice so it might not be a big deal :)
11:50 Viktor     Sorry - cait
11:50 Viktor     cati: But I wonder a bit about the "hold filled" that patrons can activate themselves and if that affects the print notices for holds filled that runs as a cronjob
11:49 Viktor     Thanks cait - I do think too that we will have automatic fallback to print.
11:47 cait       I think when you have no email in the patron record it might fall back to print automatically
11:47 cait       so for the print just i think you need one with transport type 'print'
11:47 cait       each notice in the queue now has a transport type
11:46 cait       Viktor: i think it depends on your configuration - if you have hold filled set to email and print, there hsould be 2 notices i think in the queue
11:46 oleonard   Hi #koha
11:28 Viktor     If a email for "hold filled" is sent from the messaging will it still show up in the regular print job?
11:24 * Viktor   waves back at magnuse
11:23 * magnuse  vinkar åt Viktor
09:12 rangi      got it running, so far so good
09:06 ashimema   mailpile looks very interesting ranig.
09:05 ashimema   rangi.. :)
09:05 wahanui    well, magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
09:05 rangi      hey magnuse
09:03 * magnuse  waves to rangi
08:59 cait       i am using thunderbird at home and roundcube on the server...but both seemnot really moving much
08:59 cait       :)
08:59 rangi      might have to give it a try
08:58 rangi      https://www.mailpile.is/download/
08:58 rangi      this is interesting
08:54 cait       evening rangi
08:54 rangi      evenng
08:49 cait       Joubu++ #testing facets :)
07:58 indradg    cait, ashimema, Joubu, fridolin thanks people! that helped! :-)
07:58 ashimema   anywho.. I'd best get back to work :(
07:58 ashimema   I'll roll me own .pl and use ajax to query it from the client
07:58 indradg    cait: thanks for the cluestick! :-P
07:57 ashimema   I probably wouldn't even bother with a .pm indradg..
07:54 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12859 major, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Patron import tool doesn't import extened attributes values any longer
07:54 cait       the problem laso was only in master - not in the stable releases (bug 12859)
07:53 cait       reading back
07:53 cait       sorry, got distracted... by birhtday cake
07:52 indradg    Joubu: looking up 10855 now
07:51 indradg    ashimema: so basically RollMyCustomLookups.pm into C4, then call them into the Koha .pl?
07:50 ashimema   of course.. you could just add said lookups to the existing .pl.. but that will lead to harder upgrades with conflicts (your already going ot get conflicts be eiditng the templates anyways though)
07:49 ashimema   indradg: assuming there's a lack of a pre-existing restful api, the cleanest way will probably be to write yourself a basic backend perl script to query the other tables,databases whatever.. then feed that data into the templates
07:49 indradg    Joubu: yes, these rsynced tables are readonly for my purpose, i just need to maintain FK reference in the my Koha tables
07:48 Joubu      If you just want to display and search on these data, Koha::AdditionalFields is what you are searching for
07:48 Joubu      The module I introduced should be extendable to any tables.
07:47 indradg    ashimema: i would be getting an end-of-day rsynced copy of student information database, no APIs... have to roll
07:47 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, BLOCKED , Additional fields for subscriptions
07:47 Joubu      indradg: if you want to add custom data for a table, have a look at bug 10855.
07:44 ashimema   realistically you should be using a proper api rather than relying on db..
07:44 ashimema   do your local systems have an API..
07:44 ashimema   I did somthing like this for LLPG (Address lookups in the UK)
07:44 ashimema   I see.. so your grabbing data from an external source basically..
07:43 indradg    i can locate the table inside the Koha db, but I need to write up the data lookups
07:42 indradg    but how to go about handling non-Koha table data lookup
07:42 indradg    ashimema: that sounds doable
07:40 ashimema   seems much easier and more maintainable long term.
07:40 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12859 major, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Patron import tool doesn't import extened attributes values any longer
07:40 indradg    bug 12859
07:40 ashimema   why don't you just grab the patch.. rather than coding around it?
07:39 indradg    it has been pushed to master
07:39 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12833 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Patron search no longer searches extended attributes
07:39 indradg    bug 12833
07:38 ashimema   can't remember the bug numbers off the top of my head
07:38 ashimema   There are indeed a couple of issues..
07:37 fridolin   do you know bugs in Bugzilla refering to those problems ?
07:37 indradg    cait: I need to add a few cascading dropdown selects in my member entry, the data for these will come from non Koha tables
07:36 indradg    fridolin: the reason i'm avoiding extended attribs for now is simple, was reading iirc that imports / datatables sort were having issues with them
07:29 cait       so the question is why that is not covering what you need/what you need more than that :)
07:29 cait       there is also an option to have them be repeatable
07:29 cait       ^^ :)
07:29 fridolin   indradg: why not using extended borrower attributes for extra fields  ?
07:28 cait       what exactly are you trying to do?
07:28 cait       um
07:27 indradg    cait ^^^
07:26 indradg    need a spot of advice. I need to customize opac-memberentry.pl, add a few extra fields and a couple of linked 1:n lookups to non-Koha tables. what would be the path of least resistance going forward?
07:24 indradg    hi :)
07:24 cait       hi indradg
07:24 indradg    cait: around?
07:24 indradg    morning #koha
07:21 cait       hi #koha
07:11 gaetan_B   hello
07:00 wahanui    and beatings!
07:00 Viktor     Greetings!
07:00 fridolin   hie all
07:00 alex_a     bonjour
06:48 ashimema   :w
06:38 reiveune   hello
06:37 wahanui    goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:37 dcook      night all!
06:35 dcook      Hmm, no idea about the reserves vs. old_reserves
06:27 dcook      Hmm, I should really head out now though..
06:27 dcook      I think my problem might be caused by unexpected behaviour when upgrading to include reserve_id in reserves and old_reserves...
06:24 magnuse    i *think* my problem ws caused by an old version number in /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/kohaversion.pl, but if noone else had the problem, that might just have been a local thing, i guess
06:17 dcook      But fixing it up for now and we'll see how it goes..
06:17 dcook      Looks like my weird problems with reserves and old_reserves are still unsolved
06:17 dcook      \o/
06:15 magnuse    woohoo, looks like my weird problem with the versions on a gitified setup was solved by the latest package for squeeze-dev
05:56 * dcook    waves
05:56 * magnuse  waves
05:53 cait       morning
05:53 * ashimema waves
05:52 * cait     waves
04:38 eythian    yeah, there's a lot of things not in there.
04:37 wizzyrea   bias*
04:37 wizzyrea   suppose it's got a heavy american vias though
04:36 wizzyrea   (that I spotted - coulda missed it)
04:36 wizzyrea   http://librarytechnology.org/mergers/ < .eLM doesn't show up here
04:35 wizzyrea   huh, indeed.
04:34 eythian    http://contecgroup.com/cgi/ <-- given that's a sizeable part of what they do
04:33 eythian    that also makes sense in the context of dairy industry software.
04:32 eythian    huh, it was written by Contec. They also do .eLM
04:32 wizzyrea   thing looked like a toy.
04:32 wizzyrea   All of my childhood libraries used some variant of Follett
04:30 wizzyrea   Poor mum.
04:30 eythian    they went through something else (Concordance?) and now Liberty 4.
04:30 * wizzyrea was thinking of Dunedin but that's silly
04:27 wizzyrea   *sadface*
04:26 wizzyrea   But now they use symphony?
04:26 eythian    The library my mother works at used to use it.
04:25 wizzyrea   Definitely Catalist http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/cantlug-0701/msg00602.html
04:22 dcook      That's interesting
04:22 dcook      Can't say I've ever seen AS used like that before.
04:22 dcook      'CREATE TABLE tmp_reserves AS SELECT * FROM old_reserves LIMIT 0'
04:21 wahanui    OK, eythian.
04:21 eythian    wahanui: protest is <reply>NO POINTY FOODS!
04:15 wizzyrea   ...but she doesn't say the name of the ILS so now I feel less bad about not knowing
04:15 wizzyrea   15:40 is where they really explain it
04:14 wizzyrea   the relevant bit is at 14:40, or starts there
04:12 dcook      I suppose I could listen to look at other stuff at the same time..
04:12 dcook      Mmm maybe not yet. Darned videos.
04:12 * dcook    takes a gander
04:00 wizzyrea   ah just realised that I totally didn't get half of rosalie's jokes the first time
03:59 wizzyrea   Rosalie Blake
03:59 wizzyrea   it'll be that first video
03:59 wizzyrea   aha
03:59 wahanui    i already had it that way, wizzyrea.
03:59 wizzyrea   kohacon10 is https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10
03:58 wizzyrea   jinx.
03:58 wahanui    OK, eythian.
03:58 eythian    wahanui: kohacon 10 is <reply>https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10
03:58 wizzyrea   https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10
03:58 wahanui    eythian: what?
03:58 eythian    wahanui: kohacon 10
03:57 wizzyrea   there's a talk from kohacon10 that explains it
03:56 dcook      Intriguing!
03:56 wizzyrea   that sounds right, but I really don't know
03:56 eythian    possibly Catalist (no relation)
03:55 wizzyrea   ^.^
03:55 wizzyrea   also, it's prone to explosions.
03:55 wizzyrea   rangi would know the last C.
03:55 wizzyrea   it's a cheap cheerful copy of (some ILS name that is gone but it started with a C)
03:55 dcook      Are you willing to share that knowledge? :)
03:54 wizzyrea   Yep
03:54 dcook      On an unrelated note, does anyone know why our "C4" is called "C4"?
03:53 dcook      Hmm, nothing obvious on Bugzilla. Code review time..
03:49 dcook      Agreed, but it's happened to at least two different 3.14.5 libraries :S
03:49 eythian    I think that shouldn't happen
03:49 dcook      Has anyone noticed something weird where a reserve_id will appear in both the "reserves" and "old_reserves" table at the same time for different reserves?
03:32 huginn     dcook: The operation succeeded.
03:32 dcook      @later tell mtompset No worries.
03:23 mtompset   dcook++ # Thanks for the make upgrade suggestion.
03:23 mtompset   Have a great day, #koha.
03:23 mtompset   Well, it's getting late. I'm going to chug some water, and head to bed.
03:22 mtompset   I do, yes.
02:26 dcook      Oh well
02:26 dcook      I suppose I do cheat a bit...
02:23 dcook      Do you use "koha-zebra-ctl.sh" or "koha-index-daemon-ctl.sh"?
02:23 dcook      Mmm, I think I might see why it doesn't cause a problem..
02:21 dcook      And I don't use root
02:20 dcook      Nopes
02:20 mtompset   is your username koha?
02:20 dcook      To be honest, I don't use __KOHA_USER__ or __KOHA_GROUP__ and I've never noticed a problem. *shrugs*
02:20 mtompset   So it busted my zebra. :)
02:20 dcook      In my experience, using ENV variable usually only works for directy paths.
02:20 mtompset   I forgot to do it.
02:19 mtompset   Good day, tcohen
02:19 dcook      Did "export __KOHA_USER__=$USER" work, mtompset?
02:19 dcook      night tcohen
02:19 tcohen     night koha
02:18 tcohen     mtompset: put it on your bashrc
02:18 mtompset   That's what I need to remember.
02:18 dcook      mtompset: So long as they're sent from the typical port, I think so
02:18 mtompset   export __KOHA_GROUP__=$USER
02:18 mtompset   export __KOHA_USER__=$USER
02:17 dcook      ENV will only override certain variables
02:17 dcook      tcohen: Alas, they can't all be set in ENV
02:17 mtompset   if I can send emails from a koha server, then notices should email properly right?
02:17 dcook      mtompset: I have lots of customizations :p
02:16 tcohen     set all those things in your ENV, so forgetting has no consequences
02:15 wahanui    hmmm... mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
02:15 tcohen     mtompset
02:15 mtompset   Assuming you don't have customizations. :P
02:15 * dcook    uses it frequently
02:14 dcook      make upgrade works quite nicely :)
02:14 tcohen     oh
02:13 mtompset   no... it's not broken... I changed my database name and had fixed it in various places, and I forgot to set $USER and $GROUP before running the upgrade.
02:13 tcohen     maybe its broken and you could fix it
02:12 tcohen     never used that
02:12 wahanui    interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:12 tcohen     mtompset: interesting
02:12 mtompset   so it broke. :)
02:12 mtompset   well, when you run make upgrade it does a nice wipe of things... and I forgot to have a couple things tweaked. :)
02:11 tcohen     mtompset: it is not broken
02:10 mtompset   Now, I don't know what else will break, but that should be fixable. :)
02:10 mtompset   YAY! I think I have it back.
02:09 mtompset   in what file?
02:08 tcohen     dom
02:08 tcohen     set to DOM
02:08 tcohen     you need to havezebra_bib_index_mode
02:07 tcohen     it is not enough to have the dom file pointed
02:06 tcohen     ah
02:04 tcohen     and run a fresh install
02:04 tcohen     delete ~/koha-dev
02:03 mtompset   trust me... it refreshed EVERYTHING.
02:03 mtompset   then make upgrade
02:03 mtompset   I ran the perl statement dcook mentioned.
02:03 mtompset   No...
02:00 tcohen     so, you deleted, and run make && make install
02:00 mtompset   which is why it busted. :)
02:00 tcohen     but, did you reset your ~/koha-dev/etc files?
02:00 mtompset   I just finished the upgrade which totally broken a whole bunch of things, and I can't wait to see what else will bust. :)
02:00 tcohen     you did reset your git setup
01:59 mtompset   My searching, however, it still broken... but I'm reindexing again. :)
01:59 mtompset   Ah okay.
01:58 tcohen     mtompset: that's the output you get when running the UNIMARC Search.t tests
01:47 mtompset   Yes, i noticed. :)
01:32 eythian    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BOeiY90PLQ#t=1943
01:31 eythian    it'll give you a nice shiny coat of hair on your back.
01:29 wizzyrea   <3
01:29 wizzyrea   dcook: the dog food, you must eat it.
01:24 dcook      But yes, things and such. bbiab.
01:24 dcook      It's a long-term goal to get the office using only FOSS
01:24 dcook      I have thought about installing Ubuntu on this work computer, but... haven't gotten around to it yet.
01:23 eythian    I hadn't thought that far ahead
01:23 mtompset   after the reindex completes
01:23 dcook      eythian: What do you want? :p
01:23 mtompset   I'll try the make upgrade thing.
01:23 dcook      Specific email
01:23 mtompset   you don't read koha-devel? or that specific email? ;)
01:22 dcook      Anyway, I have a few things to take care of. I'd check permissions, Zebra config, and re-build from source if all else fails.
01:22 eythian    I don't want excuses, dcook.
01:22 dcook      mtompset: I don't think I read that one.
01:22 dcook      I suppose I could've used the CLI rather than the share just now
01:22 dcook      eythian: I've said before how we have Windows computers at work
01:22 mtompset   It was sent 3 hours ago.
01:21 dcook      eythian: :p
01:21 mtompset   koha-devel the fresh install dom indexing one.
01:21 eythian    '\'? Shame on you dcook
01:21 * dcook    doesn't know what mailing list message you mean.
01:21 dcook      Make sure that "koha-dev\etc\zebradb\biblios\etc" shows up in the profilePath
01:21 mtompset   koha-conf points to the dom file tcohen mentioned in that mailing list message.
01:20 dcook      You could double-check zebra-biblios-dom.cfg as well
01:20 mtompset   Config files look dom.
01:20 dcook      DOM or GRS1?
01:19 dcook      koha-dev\etc\zebradb\biblios\etc\bib1.att
01:19 dcook      Err, the "make upgrade" will touch your "koha-dev" that is
01:19 mtompset   where is bib1.att supposed to be?
01:19 dcook      Doing that will touch your "koha-dev"
01:18 dcook      Could be that zebra can't read your bib1.att even though it's able to find it
01:18 dcook      Another idea might be checking your permissions, I suppose
01:17 dcook      "make test" before make upgrade, actually
01:17 wahanui    rumour has it make upgrade is required
01:17 dcook      make upgrade
01:17 dcook      make
01:17 dcook      perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log "$INSTALL_LOG"
01:17 dcook      Right, that's downloading the source and then doing a database upgrade.
01:17 mtompset   then web installer upgrade
01:16 wahanui    git pull is probably really simple.
01:16 mtompset   git pull
01:16 wahanui    upgrades are ouchy if you have local changes.
01:16 dcook      upgrades?
01:16 mtompset   my ~/kohaclone does.
01:16 mtompset   my ~/koha-dev doesn't get touched during upgrades.
01:16 dcook      Mmm, I have it all automated. I'll have to look at my scripts.
01:15 mtompset   What do you mean?
01:15 mtompset   rebuild from source?
01:15 dcook      Cool. Yeah, I'd rebuild from source to refresh your Zebra config.
01:15 mtompset   full git.
01:15 dcook      Looks like maybe your bib1.att is in the wrong place or not being found
01:14 dcook      You'll have to rebuild (ie upgrade) Koha from source or manually check out your Zebra config for that test instance
01:14 dcook      Switching branches won't affect your Zebra code for a Git install
01:13 dcook      Sounds like git/gitified, I suppose
01:13 dcook      Git, gitified, single from source, package?
01:13 * dcook    says overlooking the smirk :p
01:13 dcook      What sort of test system is it?
01:12 wahanui    i think Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:12 dcook      Interesting
01:11 mtompset   Any ideas what to do about that paste?
01:11 mtompset   I'm having problems getting my search to search.
01:11 dcook      O_o
01:11 mtompset   :)
01:11 dcook      Whowha?
01:03 mtompset   I try to search for fancy, and it fails. And I'm like, I know the bibilionumber. Of course it is there!
01:03 mtompset   My problem that I'm trying to solve is... my searches are failing... I'm running a mass reindex on my test system, and reseting to master just to make sure it wasn't one of my code changes.
01:02 * mtompset smirks, "True. He probably is."
01:00 eythian    I'd ask dcook, he's a zebra expert now.
00:48 mtompset   Anyone have ideas on how to fix this?
00:48 pastebot   "mtompset" at pasted "Where should I look to fix this?" (271 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/214
00:48 mtompset   Greetings, #koha.
00:12 wahanui    timezones are annoying or http://xkcd.com/now
00:12 dcook      Timezones!
00:03 wizzyrea   also rounded the corners on the flyer on the kohacon page - didn't change your image just applied a css rule to it